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Speaker 4: All right, hit that horn?

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Speaker 2: Very what's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, Chris Raybon, joined by Samantha Praviti,

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Speaker 2: and today we're gonna be talking all about running backs.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go through adp kind of who's overvalued, who's undervalued.

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Speaker 2: We'll do it each of the next four weeks, will

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Speaker 2: go through wide receivers, tight ends, and then quarterbacks leading

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Speaker 2: up to the draft. So touch on any type of

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Speaker 3: So I will hop right into it. But Samantha, what's

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Chris, happy in the way that things

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Speaker 4: have been calming down a bit in terms of the

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Speaker 2: I mean, for once, like the NFL wasn't like the

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Speaker 2: that Bruce Arians is going to step down as the

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Speaker 2: just wondered if you had any quick kind of fantasy

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Speaker 2: takes on this from my perspective, I just thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: we heard some whispers, right, I like that Brady may

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Speaker 3: We saw in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Get a second chance here he was twenty six and

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Speaker 4: forty one over his five seasons. That was three games

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Speaker 4: So it's really hard to say what we think he's

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Speaker 2: So I do think Daltain make starts this year. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is very scary for CEH, especially

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Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think, Samantha.

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Speaker 4: And there's also some question marks if Jalen Hurts makes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you mentioned the touchdowns, and Miles Sanders

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Speaker 2: which is Miles Standers under seven and a half touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's just because he had zero touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: They like it, just we just weren't ready for Miles

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Speaker 3: You know, his entire career.

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Speaker 2: He averages a touchdown every forty eight point seven touches

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Speaker 2: But I think the franchise kind of views him as

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Scott signing impacts him too much.

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Speaker 2: But not a not a sexy fantasy uh choice in

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Speaker 2: undervalued and overvalued running backs for this year, and Samantha,

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Speaker 2: I'll start with you give me a running back who

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he's two undervalued, But I'm going

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Speaker 4: to start with Dan Montgomery, who is going at RB sixteen.

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Speaker 4: According to Underdog, the Bears were definitely one of the

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Speaker 4: weakest offensive teams last year. They averaged just eighteen point

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Speaker 4: three points per game, which ran sixth worse in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: But weeks thirteen too, through eighteen, Montgomery was the RB three.

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Speaker 4: He averaged fifteen and a half fantasy points at half

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Speaker 1: He had five games.

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Speaker 4: With eighteen or more fantasy points, so he had some

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Speaker 1: And I'm still a Justin Fields believer.

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Speaker 1: I believe in Justin Fields.

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Speaker 4: I hope that he makes this kind of year two leap,

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Speaker 4: and I think that that'll really increase David Montgomery's upside.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think that he certainly has RB

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even last year and what Stephen like somewhat of

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Speaker 2: and you know he's still going even below with that

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Speaker 2: I know Khalil Herbert was drafted, but it's a new

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Speaker 3: We'll get to some more from you.

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Speaker 2: I'll throw one in here in the meantime, and that's

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Speaker 2: Leonard Fournette. RB twenty five, way too low for Fournette.

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Speaker 2: We just mentioned that Ronald Jones is no longer in

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Speaker 3: But Fournette's just been so good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he essentially got back to that kind of

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Speaker 2: just carry the load. He never really got it together

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Speaker 2: PPR points per game last year. And you know now

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Speaker 2: he's got even less competition, I think, with just Keshan

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Speaker 2: Vaughan to spell him so love for nets, you know,

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Speaker 2: everyone's the ADP is kind of still adjusting to that

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Speaker 1: I totally agree.

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Speaker 4: He's definitely a guy that I was shocked to see

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Speaker 4: he has a very strong chance of finishing as a

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Speaker 1: Mouths to feed all around.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Dantonio Brown, and you mentioned Ronald Jones and

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Speaker 1: So I really like this one.

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Speaker 4: And I just really like seeing that he's kind of

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Speaker 1: Last year.

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Speaker 3: Reminded me of a.

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Speaker 2: Little of Aaron Jones before AJ Dowon became like a

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Speaker 3: So love for net. Who you got next? Who's under value.

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Speaker 3: Who else is undervoy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the next guy I have is Devin Singletary

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Speaker 4: odd committee going on with Zach Moss. Weeks one through thirteen,

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Speaker 4: Zach Moss is still on the roster, but he's like

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Speaker 4: clear that Sanitary that was his job, and they did

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I got an idea for like Zack Moss.

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Speaker 2: You know, we should get like a like a little

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Speaker 2: NFL viewing room every Sunday and Zack Moss and Trace

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Speaker 2: Thurmon could just like go there and watch games since

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Speaker 2: they'll probably be scratches. On game day anyway, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's no point no dressing up and coming to their beside, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that was what a nightmare last year. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: some of the you know, rookies running backs tend to

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Singletary I like it.

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Speaker 2: I think that he's a guy that they kind of

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why they keep going away

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Speaker 2: this time around. Dable obviously no longer there, so there

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Speaker 2: buying low. Another guy like is you know, I'll just

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Speaker 2: team last year James Connor RB twenty nine and then

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Speaker 2: Connor I love because Edmunds is in Miami. So Connor

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Speaker 3: He was also the running back.

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Speaker 2: Five on the season, even though Edmunds played twelve games.

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Speaker 2: And then Connor got a three year, twenty one million

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Speaker 2: no slouch of a running back contract. The Cardinals clearly

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Speaker 3: So love Connor in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: It's still a strong offense, still a up tempo offense,

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Speaker 3: And then Edmunds at RB thirty nine. I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: we talked a little earlier about Edmonds.

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Speaker 2: I said, you know, he's kind of being drafted outside

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Speaker 2: that lead role in the Miami backfield, at least in

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Speaker 2: terms of touches. He averaged five point sixty seven yards

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Speaker 3: That is sixth of fifty.

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Speaker 2: Four running backs with a minimum of three hundred touches,

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Speaker 2: three touches per game last year, which kind of went

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Speaker 2: and just kind of everything's new all around. So we

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Speaker 2: can't just look at the roster and say, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: Edmond's definitely not going to get touchdowns me most are

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Speaker 2: just another guy on that roster hasn't really ever stayed healthy. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: think both Connor and Edmunds have a lot of value

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 4: I mean on the Cardinal's depth chart after Connor, it

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Speaker 4: even sure that all three of those guys will make

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Speaker 4: I really like that one. Edmunds we talked about sort

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Speaker 4: that's certainly limits his upside. Bet at RB thirty nine,

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Speaker 4: you're getting pretty good value for that guy, who is

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Speaker 4: a per game basis last year. Obviously that was without

439
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 4: cam mee Gerz who was injured during the preseason. That

440
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 4: was a really serious injury though, and yes, like he benefits.

441
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 1: Quote unquote from being injured early. But that said, I it's.

442
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 4: A major injury. It's an achilles injury that could certainly hurt.

443
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 4: He's like burst in speed as a running back. We

444
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 4: also don't just really know to expect. I feel like

445
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 4: he could just come out of the gate sort of slow. So,

446
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 4: I mean there are kind of question marks there, and

447
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 4: Henderson is talented, so I think it RB forty four,

448
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 4: Like you're not starting him, but he's a guy that

449
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 4: you could keep on your bench, especially if Acres can't

450
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 4: stay healthy throughout the season.

451
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, what is your read on on Acres health

452
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: because I think this kind of I mean, given the

453
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: fact that you do like Henderson as a value, I'm

454
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 2: guessing that you are somewhat concerned about Akers health because

455
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about it all, you know, weading

456
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 2: up to the Super Bowl that this guy camp Akers.

457
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: He had like that one highlight with on the trick

458
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 2: play with Odell, but I mean he struggled tremendously. He

459
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: had seventy two carries including the postseason, seventy two carries

460
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: for one hundred and seventy five yards and no rushing touchdowns.

461
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 2: That's two point two nine yards per carry, So I

462
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 2: mean that's low, and like that's what is that? That's

463
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 2: Caman Village from a couple of years ago kind of futility.

464
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: So is that something that's kind of concerning you here

465
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 2: that he doesn't make that full recovery to year one

466
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: where he had the four point eight yards per carry.

467
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm certainly little concerned. I think that it's

468
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 4: really hard not being a physician and not being able

469
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 4: to rank injury severity, of course, but like I would

470
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 4: worry about his type of injury long term, maybe more

471
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 4: than an ACL. Not that I think that even in

472
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 4: ACL is that rate, especially for a long term type

473
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 4: running back situation, when they are just inherently more prone

474
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: to sort of those types of injuries. So yeah, I

475
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: would say that I'm even more concerned about him than

476
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 4: I would say like a guy like JK.

477
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: Dobbins. So I know we're going to talk about later.

478
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that there's kind of a theme here because

479
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: I think in early ADP you're seeing some injured guys

480
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: being kind of overdrafted and the other guy who would

481
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: benefit kind of being underdrafted. In some situations, you're feeling

482
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: the reverse. So generally I just look toward the lower

483
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: drafted guy. So sometimes you're going to get value one way,

484
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 2: sometimes you're going to get it the other way. But

485
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: that goes right into a guy like James Robinson, who

486
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: did have a very similar injury to Acres, except he's

487
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: going at RB forty two, so you can get Robinson

488
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 2: in that Henderson range. And listen, I think with Travis

489
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: Etn who's going as the RB nineteen, he's coming back

490
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: from an injury too, so it's a huge disparity here.

491
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: There's a newer regime at TN was drafted in the

492
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: first round by the old regime, So you know, that's

493
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: clearly kind of a square move. Not Attend is a

494
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: great player, but it's still a square move. We also

495
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: know that like the franchise quarterback Trevor Lawrence vouch for

496
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: James Robinson said, you know, he's essentially our best player

497
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: on offense, So you know, going forward there, the main

498
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: thing is build around Lawrence and what he needs to

499
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: be around him to be successful. So I think that

500
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: eat End is going to ultimately slot in as a

501
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: pass catching guy, kind of like a Naim Hines. But

502
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: James Robinson still has like the outside chat of being

503
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: like the Jonathan Taylor of this offense. Now he is

504
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: gonna probably be out a little longer than Eatn, which

505
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: could explain the price. But everyone kind of talks about

506
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: year one with Robinson and year two he approved his

507
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: yards per carry four or five to seven, his yards

508
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: after contact from three point eighteen to three point two nine,

509
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: his yards per reception went up from seven to seven

510
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: point two h and his yards per touch went up

511
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: from four to five to five one. So the only

512
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: thing that really decreased was his touches from over twenty

513
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: to get a game to under fourteen game.

514
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: So while I do worry a.

515
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Little bit about the efficiency, I just think at RB

516
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: forty two, like that's where I want to take this

517
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: kind of chance on a guy like this as opposed

518
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: to a Cam Akers who did not look great but

519
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: is going at RB nineteen right now. So Robinson is

520
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: a guy that I'll be watching and especially just monitoring

521
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: to see how he's kind of recovering from his injury.

522
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: But I just think there's way too big of a

523
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: disparity between him and Etsy, and given that both are

524
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: coming back off injuries and Robinson still would project.

525
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: For more touches even if they were kind of splitting

526
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 3: it up.

527
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just convinced that these guys with these plain,

528
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: generic names like James Robinson and Tim Patrick are habitually

529
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 4: disrespected in ADP.

530
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: That's my take on the situation.

531
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: Oh man, that might be my brand, just like just

532
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: like regular named guys, you know, common name guys, because

533
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: I love Tim Patrick like you guys thought I was

534
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: joking when I brought up Patrick when the Broncos Tom

535
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, But I legitimately think that sim Patrick could

536
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: easily be like not the third wide receiver, like he

537
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: could be one of the top two in Denver if

538
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: things break right, because I think he's shown that he's

539
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: just as talented as the other guys, he just doesn't

540
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: have the same pedigree.

541
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: I totally agree.

542
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 4: And the other two guys have speckled injury histories at best,

543
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 4: so I totally buy into that.

544
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: And they had like some really bad portions of seasons,

545
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: like even if you know, like like Judy had that

546
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: miserable rookie year where he, like him and Drew Locke

547
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: were never on the same page and he had really

548
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: bad stats, and Courtland Sutton had that really, really bad

549
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: year last year where it was just like he became

550
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: like a punchline. So Jack Patrick has always been kind

551
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: of consistent, but we digressed. We got to get into

552
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: some overvalue running backs, Samantha, there's quite a few I

553
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: think early on that seem a little overvalue.

554
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: Who you got, Yeah, I have a number of guys here.

555
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start with Christian McCaffrey, who's going to be

556
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 4: probably one of the most polarizing players of this offseason.

557
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: He's just a high risk type guy at this you know,

558
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 4: last season we went into this and I was very

559
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 4: bullish on Christian Maccafe'll take that out because I looked

560
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: at the menagerie of his injuries and thought like, well,

561
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 4: they didn't seem like it didn't make it seem like

562
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: he was an injury prone type guy. It just also

563
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: seemed like the Panthers were not competitive and he probably

564
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 4: could have come back if he were on like the

565
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: Chiefs at the time. But there's like no point in

566
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: putting him out there if he's kind.

567
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: Of banged up.

568
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 4: But at this point now he has played ten games

569
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 4: in the last two years.

570
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: And the Panthers just have a number of struggles.

571
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: We've got question marks at best at quarterback. Right now,

572
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: we're rolling into the season with Sam Darnold, so that's

573
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: not the most ideal situation. So that certainly throws like

574
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 4: uncertainty and devalues him, I think. And the Panthers also

575
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 4: had the second worst offensive line according to PFF last year,

576
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of pieces that they need to

577
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: fix right now.

578
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: They are not close.

579
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 4: I think they're like plus ten thousand to win the

580
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 4: division this year. So as much as it hurts me

581
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: as a Panthers fan, yeah, I do think he's overvalued

582
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: to rpdo. I would feel more comfortable taking him at

583
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 4: like RB five.

584
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh, it took a little over twenty minutes, but you

585
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: gave us. He gave us some an impressive word there

586
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: with menagerie, So I was waiting for it. I was

587
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: waiting for it. But yeah, you know, with McCaffrey, it's

588
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: it's tough because it's it's like.

589
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: When he's healthy, he's been that guy.

590
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: But lately it's like all that stuff we saw in

591
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: his first couple of seasons about the durability and everything

592
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: that's kind of coming back to haunt him a little

593
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 2: bit because now he hasn't managed to stay healthy and

594
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: now you look and say, okay, well do they start

595
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: to maybe decrease his workload a little bit. I think

596
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: we saw that at times when he came back last year,

597
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: when you know, true Bahubber was mixing in a little

598
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: bit more than maybe he had been previously, or anyone

599
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: really had been previously alongside McCaffrey. So you know, he's

600
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: still proving that he can be a top ten back

601
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: is in more of like a receiving not full you know,

602
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: full every down back roll. But at RB two you

603
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: kind of want the max upside here. So yeah, I

604
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: think it's a it's a little earlier to be going,

605
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: you know, McCaffrey at two, but you know we kind

606
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: of have to also minor the campusy. You know what,

607
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: how are they using him? How do they plan to

608
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: use him? Because as of right now, I think there's

609
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: too many questions marks for my first undervalue guy, I'll

610
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: go JK.

611
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: Dobbins mentioned him earlier.

612
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: He's RB seventeen right now in Underdog ADP and that's

613
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: just egregious. First of all, we know the Ravens and

614
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: what they do, They're going to have a committee backfield.

615
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: So Dobbins' career high touches in a game is seventeen,

616
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: his career high carries in a game is fifteen. Now

617
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: he's coming off with serious injury. Does that necessarily increase

618
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: just because he's, you know, now out of his rookie

619
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: year and now he's really going into year three, but

620
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: it's really year two. I don't know, because he's coming

621
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: off a serious injury. Him and Gus Towards are both

622
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: coming off serious injuries. Both reportedly could start camp on

623
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: the pup list. So I think Edwards is the guy

624
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: who you can get, you know, outside the top one

625
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: hundred in terms of overall ADP. It's just another one

626
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: where it's like you have two backs coming off injury,

627
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: just like Atn and Robinson, and there's such a disparity

628
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: between their ADPs here, So you know, obviously the Ravens

629
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: will be a run of friendly offense. Dobbins is a

630
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: very talented bat, was never a great receiver, and most

631
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: people are playing at least half PPR by now, so

632
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: that's another thing to keep in mind. And we just

633
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: have no idea if he's going to be able to

634
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: play a full season. He's going to be back to

635
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: full strength. And again, these things don't matter as much

636
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: when you're drafting a guy at RB forty. These things

637
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: matter a lot when you're drafting a guy inside the

638
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: top twenty or top twenty four, because then he's essentially

639
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: you're expecting him to be your starter. And remember you're

640
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: the running back draft first is likely to miss two

641
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: to three games on average, So there's gonna be times

642
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: where Dobbins needs to be your RB one in your lineup.

643
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: And I just can't get behind it being drafted here

644
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: at RB seventeen.

645
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree here.

646
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: My issue with this is that Dobbins last year, going

647
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: into the season, like before the injury and everything, we

648
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 4: didn't have the injury history. We just had sort of

649
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 4: this like weird committee in his first season, but we

650
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: a lot of us were convinced that he was going

651
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: to be the top dog in that committee. But still

652
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: with that, he was being drafted probably in like the

653
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 4: RB twenty RB twenty two range ish coming into the season,

654
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: and like now we're drafting him higher with the injury,

655
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: and I think that you know, both guys, there's a

656
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: good chance, like like you said that they could start

657
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: on the pop list that even if they're healthy for

658
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: week one, they start kind of slow. And yeah, I

659
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: just I don't feel comfortable taking Dobbins nearly that early edwards. Yeah,

660
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: maybe like RB forty five, which is where he is

661
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: right now, I would.

662
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: Feel a little more comfortable with.

663
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're onto something with this names thing,

664
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: because JK. Dobbins is a pretty cool name, and it's like,

665
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: what's really separating him.

666
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: From James Robinson at this point, you.

667
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: Know what both of them to be really cool name.

668
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

669
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: So I think we've I think we've cracked the fantasy market.

670
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: Like this is now we know exactly how to draft,

671
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: like forget all these projections and like comparing it to

672
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: ADP and this and that. It's like literally just look

673
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: at guys' names, uh and and and you know, fade

674
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: the guys with the cool names and draft the guys

675
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: with the generic that we figured out.

676
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we'll make a score of that or something like that.

677
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: So the next guy that I'm going to say that

678
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: is overvalued in my opinion, is going to be Jontay Williams.

679
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: Obviously Fantasy World wants Davonte to be that RB one

680
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: and we've definitely seen flickers of him being able to

681
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: be that rock star. His stock is up with Russell

682
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: Wilson there, but I think the hype might be too much.

683
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: He certainly had a lack life final three games of

684
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: the season average just thirty nine scrimmage yards per game

685
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: in that span, while Gordon had sixty three scrimmage yards

686
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 4: per game in that span. So I think this is

687
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: really difficult to justify. If Melvin Gordon stays and those

688
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: talks are still going on, it seems like the front

689
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: office wants to broker deal with him. So I mean,

690
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: if Gordon's back, I know he's certainly older, but that'll

691
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: certainly make things messier for him. So at this point,

692
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: with Gordon's sort of future up in the air, R

693
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: we seven feels too rich for chance.

694
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Denver Post does report that the Broncos are

695
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 2: open at bringing Gordon back. I think, you know, Gordon

696
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: is kind of correctly probably waiting this out on the market.

697
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: You know, like we saw with the Ravens last year,

698
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: teams can lose a starter and even a backup pretty quick,

699
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: and I mean there could be a chance that Gordon

700
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: finds a place to start if he kind of hangs

701
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: on and it hangs out for a while and doesn't

702
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: sign right away.

703
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: So this might not be resolved any time soon.

704
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 2: I think, you know, just looking at Denver and what

705
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: they've done in the past, they've been a two BAC system,

706
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: but this is a new regime.

707
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: So that's another thing.

708
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: But you know, Hackett's coming over from Green Bay where

709
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: they spent a Day two pick on AJ Dillon and

710
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: then you know they had Jamal Williams that first year too,

711
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: So he's coming from a system where they've always kind

712
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: of had a one a one bat in that system,

713
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: So that is it's another thing.

714
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: Like Christian McCaffrey. It's like the talent is.

715
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: There, but do we know his workload is getting maximized

716
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: to be drafting him with a premium first round pick,

717
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: I just don't know.

718
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: For Javonte at RB seven, So I agree with you.

719
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: The last I'll talk about, and I don't have to

720
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: spend long on him because already kind of mentioned him

721
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: with Robinson is Travis Etn He's going is the RB nineteen,

722
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: and this just makes no sense.

723
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: He was drafted by the old regime.

724
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: He's being treated like a starter when he's more likely

725
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: to slide into a passing down role. This was, you know,

726
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: in interviews with New Dagars head coach Doug Peterson.

727
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: That's what he kind of said.

728
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: He said, Etn, you know, he's a guy that can

729
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: give us a lot in the passing game and something

730
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: we really haven't had in Jacksonville for a while now.

731
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: So could ETN maybe have a couple of games if

732
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: Robinson isn't back by week one where he's the full

733
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: on starter. Yes, But I just can't imagine that he's

734
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: going to be like this featured back or this top

735
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: twenty running back in terms of value. I think he's

736
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: a guy that ideally you'd be drafting him like outside

737
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: the top thirty, and then if he gives you RB

738
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 2: nineteen value, you're very happy.

739
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: But now you're drafting him at RB nineteen.

740
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: I just don't see a lot of ceiling there for

741
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: him to beat that ADP in, you know, significantly, to

742
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: give you a real edge on your league mates at

743
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: this ADP.

744
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree.

745
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: He is definitely a guy that I feel like is

746
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: a going at his ceiling. Another guy that I feel like,

747
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: is going kind of near his ceiling. Is Saquon Barkley

748
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 4: at RB twelve. He's going a spot ahead of Antonio Gibson,

749
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: in one spot behind Nick Chubb, which.

750
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: To me is that's right, Yeah, that's absurd.

751
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is only a few spots lower than

752
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: his ADP was last year. He finished as a top

753
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: twelve running back in half PPR just three times all year,

754
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 4: and that was thirteen games played. So yeah, he missed

755
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: some games due to injury. The Giants had the third

756
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: worst offensive line according to PFF. They ranked second worst

757
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 4: in points per game, sixth worst in time of possession.

758
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: So this, like I.

759
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 4: Said, just feels more like a ceiling then and does

760
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 4: not feel safe at this point. I just feel like

761
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: you are drafting him based on his name.

762
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: I don't like, why do we keep going through this

763
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: every year with people just like rushing to draft Sakon

764
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: Barkley Because it's like, on one hand, yes, his rookie

765
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 2: year he was great.

766
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: Everybody knows that.

767
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: But it's like we're now like, what was it three

768
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: straight years of people being burned by Saquon Barkley in drafts?

769
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Like why are we who are these people that are

770
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: still so excited to run out and draft him that

771
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: he keeps going going like round a round or two

772
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: or more higher than he should be.

773
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: Like I just I'm a Giants fan, and I was

774
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: like been one of the number.

775
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: One people saying Saquon is being overdrafted, Like I was

776
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: saying that, like, hey, this guy can give you so

777
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: many bad games.

778
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's had games or he's run, he's had

779
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: more carries.

780
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: In yards like I don't you know, And a lot

781
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: of that is the offensive line.

782
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: Dabo did say he's going to use him more in

783
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: the receiving game.

784
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: Dabo also had Devin Singletary, who, like we mentioned, was

785
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 2: kind of up and down in that offense, and his

786
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: his role never really remained consistent for.

787
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: A full season. So I still think there's a lot

788
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: of red flags.

789
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of explosiveness from Saquon that

790
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: we saw in year one that going into year five

791
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: he just doesn't have anymore. And he's been thirty nine

792
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: percent of his games over the past three years after

793
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: uh three hundred and fifty two touches as a rookie,

794
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: So there's a very good chance that he's just not

795
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: the same guy anymore. You know, as tough as it

796
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: is to say, he's still only twenty five we age

797
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: twenty five season, you know, he's born into b X

798
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: just like me. I love him, I just can't can't

799
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: get behind him at this ADP. You know, speaking of

800
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: kind of Barkley's rookie year, there are some rookies this

801
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: year that are popping up pretty high on ADP. Breis Hall,

802
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker, Isaiah Spiller, just some of those names that

803
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: are popping up in the top thirty five, and I

804
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: think you think those guys are all a bit overvalued

805
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: at this early juncture.

806
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just feels a little early.

807
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: I thought I kind of put those on that list

808
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: because I saw a theme that brys Hall at RB

809
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: twenty two, Walker at are we thirty in Nzia, Spiller

810
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 4: at every thirty four just all seems a little rich

811
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: given that we really don't have a lot of I mean,

812
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: we don't know where they're landing. And even then, like

813
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: there's not a ton of landing spots that I think

814
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: are going to yield things like Nang Harris type numbers,

815
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: and if they end up in a committee or something

816
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: like that, there is a chance that one of them

817
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: ends up sort of taking. But there's a lot of

818
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: question marks and we could all end up seeing bris

819
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: Hall end up being like Trey Sermon or something like that.

820
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: So there's inherently more question marks with these rookie type guys.

821
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 4: I say, a Spiller especially is someone that I would

822
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: not really want on my roster at RBA thirty four.

823
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: He is someone that did not strike me as overly

824
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 4: athletic based on his combine and pro day numbers. So overall,

825
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: I just think that this is maybe more of a

826
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 4: little bit of key hype slash recency bias that is

827
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: inflating these guys numbers, And I just think overall this

828
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: running back class is a little weaker than we've seen

829
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: in the past years.

830
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's kind of two ways to look at this,

831
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: because on one hand, I think running backs that are

832
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: rookies have always been profitable in fantasy to kind of

833
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: load up on, especially for people that like to go

834
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: against the grain and higher stakes league, you know, the

835
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: zero running back strategy.

836
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: Rookies fit very well into that.

837
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, like you said, you also

838
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: have to look at the potential landing spots for these guys,

839
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: and there aren't a ton. I think I actually think

840
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: Breys Hall is fairly valued because I just you look

841
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: at hit like the Javonte Williams last year, who was

842
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: the RB sixteen. I think even if Hall lands in

843
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: a committee, I just think he's so good that he's

844
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: like he could be a top five running back, but

845
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: he could also be with the RB forty. So I

846
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: think RB twenty two is fair for him, whereas I

847
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: think those other guys now now going down the list

848
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: a little more now the uncertainty becomes a lot to

849
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: be drafting them as top thirty, top thirty six backs

850
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: right away, I would prefer to get them as RB

851
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: four's or draft them as RB fours, which means, you know,

852
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: thirty seventh or later. So then that could still happen

853
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: for Walker a spiller in some drafts, but I don't.

854
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I could just have a bias here, but

855
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: I just think Hall was so good that he, like

856
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: the most RB needy team is probably gonna overdraft him

857
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: so they can use him like Naji and like worst

858
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: case scenario, maybe he's like in that Javonte mixed with

859
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: like another committee with another veteran. But I think he's

860
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: he would still end up being better than that player

861
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: by the end of the year.

862
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: So I like Hall, don't like Walker and Spiller as much.

863
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's realistic that he ends up kind

864
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: of in that Javante type role. Najie Harris feels like

865
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: such an anomaly to me, just because of sort of

866
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: his landing spot and how bad the Steelers were in

867
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: that workload that they ended up giving him. So yeah,

868
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: to your point, when I was drafting last year, I

869
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: ended up with a bunch of guys like Michael Carter

870
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 4: and Trey Sermon, so whatever mixed bag there, but sort

871
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: of in that like round ten, round nine sort of range.

872
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: So that's where I feel comfortable sort of loading up

873
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: on those rookies. This just feels a little too.

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Speaker 1: Early for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to really be selective, like you know,

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Speaker 2: for me, it's all just because I like the talent.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, there's also going

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Speaker 2: to be a guy like Elijah Mitchell, right, who you know,

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Speaker 2: there's usually one of those guys who yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: like those guys that you don't you can get much later.

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Speaker 2: They don't necessarily have the draft pedigree, but they explore too.

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Speaker 2: So it is smart to kind of load up on rookies,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean you vote up on all the

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Speaker 2: top rookies. That just means you kind of sprinkle them

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Speaker 2: in throughout your draft. So you know, these top three,

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Speaker 2: I see where you're going, Samantha. It's like these top

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Speaker 2: three are kind of being kind of the shiny new

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Speaker 2: toys and they're the ones getting a little overvalue. Whereas

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Speaker 2: you kind of go down that list a little more,

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Speaker 2: you might find some even more value. So yeah, definitely

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Speaker 2: see your point on those guys. And that is going

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Speaker 2: to wrap it up for the Fantasy Flex Podcast running

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Speaker 2: April leading up to the draft, we'll do wide receivers

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