WEBVTT - Ep. 280: Render - Almost a Game Warden, Scoring a Bear, and Elm Bow 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 My name is Klay Nukeleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.400 the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.720 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.520 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.560 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:39.280 we explore. 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:49.160 Are we recording, We are recording. Thank you, mister. See. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.280 You don't drink coffee, no, sir, Never, never like me. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:58.320 I tried it several times, different ways, different shapes, colors, flavors, earlanging. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.000 It didn't like it, didn't like it. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:00.440 Never never. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:01.480 Never did tobacco. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:03.600 Yes, I did tobacco for a while. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:05.400 Oh does your mom. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:06.360 Know you have my mom name? 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:09.000 You quit? 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:09.920 Yeah? I quit? 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.240 Uh? You never smoked. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.479 He doesn't drink coke, don't drink soda. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.720 Well, like I said, I don't drink very many, but 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.679 I drink some once in a while. If we're somewhere 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:21.480 and the water's. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.920 Bad, then I won't drink water. So but that's what 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.240 I drank, mostly water. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:25.960 That's pretty good. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.480 So you said right before we started, you said that 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.720 you used the term that I wasn't I mean, I 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.040 was mildly familiar with it. I didn't know the exact context. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:41.319 You said your dad made stock racks id sassafras. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.200 Wood and cucumber wood. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.480 So tell us what a stock rack is. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.240 Well, a stock rack when I was growing up was 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:53.080 hardly anybody had any stock trailers or anything. And so 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.960 I grew up on the farm and Dad would build 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.840 stock racks to fit his farm trucks. And you'd take 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.200 you take the lumber, and he like lightweight lumber that 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.560 was tough, and sasfras was one of them. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.360 Cucumber was another one. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.440 And he had saw it down and planed it out, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.680 and then he'd build a stock rat and he'd make 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.240 four sections, one on each side of the bed that 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.680 went in the post holes in the style of old trucks. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.679 Most trucks don't have that anymore, like a flatbed. No, no, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.880 like a bed truck, a truck with a bed. But 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.440 they had the old trucks like his old sixty four 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.480 ford I grew up riding around in had four had 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.000 had six holes, and it had two up front behind 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:32.400 a cab, two in the middle, and two of it 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:33.480 back by the back tail. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.280 Game so have been like wooden like four before he 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:36.839 would have made. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.640 I think they were like two batoos is what they were. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.520 But he made them and then he screwed the slats 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.360 to it to have a high. He wanted to make 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:46.560 the rack if it was you know. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:47.679 And what would he haul in there? 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.519 He hauled everything that we raised out on the farm. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:57.000 He hauled hogs, he hauled cattle, you know, just anything 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.359 that the animal we grew. That's how he hauled them 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.720 to sell them, whether we took them to the stockyards 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:02.400 or where they saw them. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.400 So we got on this subject because you asked Bear, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.400 how big a chunk of sassafras would it take to 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:09.960 make a bow? 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:10.480 Yeah? 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:10.880 Yeah? 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:11.560 Do they? 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.840 Are they making bows out of sassafras. I've seen some 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.160 people make them out of sas fris. It's not like 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.400 a real common wood to make them out of. I'll 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.440 tell you what I am curious about those. Cucumber wood. Yeah, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.920 like magnolia. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.600 I think it is a type of magnolia tree. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:27.200 Big leaf. 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:31.320 Yeah, they got big leaves on them and cucumbers. No, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:32.680 that's the name of the tree though. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.160 That's that's all I carry. Is it the one that 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.520 has the big old like long leaves or are we 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:39.200 talking about. 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.840 Something it's got big leaves on it. It's got big 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.720 leaves on it, but it doesn't it what's the wood like? 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.560 It's well, it's it's a light wood, but it's pretty 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.160 tough wood. A lot of the old meal sets used 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.920 to like to get it to make flat plane lumber 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:54.840 out of and stuff that didn't. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.920 It was a big big it gets big, it gets 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.480 you know big. That's not what I'm talking I'm talking 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.120 about an umbrella magnolia, which is not a cute got it. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.360 Okay, they have blooms on them, the one you're talking about. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:11.400 Yeah, yeah, the big long leaves. But okay, you're making 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.160 an elmbow. Yeah, and it's kind of been our mission 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:22.720 to degrade elm like campaign. I'm like almost done with 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.560 the bow and like it is only getting worse the 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:27.640 far into it. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:28.560 Yeah and more. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.000 Well, you know this is this this show is child 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.960 friendly and ultimately it's Misty Nukem approved. So I can't 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.240 say the word that people call that tree, but I 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:44.080 will spell it. They call them p I S S elms. Yeah, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.360 I see, Yeah, I haven't heard say that in school. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:57.040 Can we well comb mm hmm so anyway, it's not 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.599 a good tree. It's I mean, it makes a halfway 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.120 decent bow, but it is just the most difficult wood 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.920 to work with. I've been trying to heat the top 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.839 limb into just like being straight for the last I mean, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.640 that's what I've been doing the last four days. I 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.360 mean like for hours a day, because you gotta let 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.240 it sit to cool. So it takes a really long 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.279 time and I'll heat it just like smoking hot, let 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.120 it sit, come back like three hours later, take it 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.080 out of the jig, and it'll just snap right back 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.360 to where it was. Man, and I mean, Elm it is. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.440 And the other thing that I don't understand about it 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.160 is I had this like perfect tailor on it, like 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.240 the limbs bended like perfectly even, and then I just 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.640 put a little bit of recurve in it, and all 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.440 of a sudden, the top limb is like totally flat 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.640 and the bottom limb is like real flexible. So that 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.560 was probably on my end, but I'm gonna blame it 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.440 on the ELM. Yeah might as well. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:54.240 Wood. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.880 It's a pretty pretty good topic to start off a 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:02.359 bear greash render about, yep, So welcome to the beargeras render. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.919 We've got uh doctor, mister newcom here today. Pretty glad 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.080 to see you. We got Mo Shepherd. Mo longtime friend 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.600 of mine, biggest hillbilly I know. And so that's why 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:21.360 he's you didn't know, Well, now now I actually learned 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:25.520 a minute ago. You were. You were in the eighties. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.680 Tell me the story about your potential profession. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:35.040 Yeah, when I was twenty, in my early twenties. I 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.640 don't remember the exact age, but it was in the 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.920 early eighties. I had the opportunity. At the time, I 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.720 was working with the US for Service, and I had 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:47.000 the opportunity to to expand my career because I helped 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.840 some game ball just with the Gaming Fish do some 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.720 bear study on a bear den and stuff. And when 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.000 we got through then I kind of became friends with 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.440 her and they said you'd be good at this type 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.919 of stuff. I said, work this kind of stuff. They 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.160 working with the game Fish said you are to think 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.440 about being a warden, and it got me interested. So 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.039 I went through the whole process of. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:08.040 Doing it. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.880 I got in the process, I got letters of recommendation 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.880 sent in for me, I got the paperwork all done, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.960 and I was accepted and I was supposed to go 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:23.000 to the Mayflower Academy down in Arkansas down here to start. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.720 The police part of it, the candy part of law 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:27.560 enforcement part of it. 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.320 I was around two weeks of it and I got 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.120 a call from the Game and Fish and they said, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.120 we've got bad news for you. And I said what 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.160 And they said, well, said, our governor has just issue. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.239 To deal and he says that we was Bill Clinton? 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.520 Who was Bill Clinton? And he said we will have it. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.200 Nobody working as a game warden or biologist or anything 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.600 through the Game and Fish that doesn't have a four. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.440 Year college degree and I didn't have. I have a 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.560 remotech degree. So that put a stop to it, and 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.160 I never pursued it any far weak. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.920 All that Hill Billy prejudiced, as as doctor Brooks Levin 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:09.040 said that part of you know, having a regional dialect, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.280 and specifically the dialect of the ozark and Appalachians typically 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:18.200 is associated with lack of education. So here we have 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.440 a man fully qualified that can't get a job after 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.000 he applied for it to Bill the number one he'll 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:30.680 Billy man, I told, I said, I don't know if 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.600 me and you would could have been friends, if you'd 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.240 have been a game Morton, it was a joke. We laughed. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:36.120 Yeah, we laughed about it. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.480 It was funny the first time said it Mo. Good 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.240 to see it. Thanks for that was good. That was good. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.839 We've got Josh Spilmaker, who was on the Bear Grease 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:51.680 podcast my crowning moment, yeah, account as a feature guest, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.160 and Bear John Newcomb also my debut on the Official 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.800 Bear Was it for real? 0:08:59.320 --> 0:08:59.520 Hey? 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.719 I never I've never been on the main podcast. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:08.800 He's been on several renders they hurt the most. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.880 Yeah, yeah, now most been on there so many times 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:12.720 he can't even count. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:14.600 I've only got fingers. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:19.360 Yeah. And then we have Colby morehead of Bear Hunting Magazine, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.640 just so everybody knows a little bit of the backstory. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.760 I you know, it's only been four years, I guess 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.880 since I was. I did Bear Hunting Magazine for for 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.480 an eight year period and Kolbe worked for me. Moved 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.640 up from Texas to Arkansas, and long before I had 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.559 any knowledge of that I was gonna be working for 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.480 Meat Eater. Kobe worked for Bear Hunting Magazine, and then 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.559 when I left and went to Meat Eater, Colby completely 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.520 took over the magazine. It's his business. So you've been 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.360 running it now for three years years? Yeah, three years, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.679 wasn't it. Yeah, I turned to a dog kennel. I 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:01.040 think that was my idea, the dog kentle Yeah, okay, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:04.319 it turned out nice though. 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.920 Look out, well Bear Hunt magazine is doing now. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.400 It's doing great. Yeah yeah, yeah under. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.240 The leadership, especially the last three years. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:16.920 It was crazy. I bought the magazine and I got 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.160 married a week and a half later. Like big just 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:20.679 kicked on all the changes. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.959 Picked up on it. Hey show us that bear, so 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.120 we're gonna we're gonna score a bear real quick. So 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.560 this bear was a big bear. Yeah, you weren't able 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:33.760 to weigh. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:38.880 We had to pack it out. But oh it was well. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.719 I was guessing four fifty. But after seeing a bear 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.880 I got in Saskatchewan this year, he was a lot 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.840 bigger than that one. Like the one. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.679 Yeah, we need, uh, we need something to set this up, 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:51.920 that saskatchwe bear. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.959 Wait, we'll put it on the saddle. We'll put it 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.000 on the saddle. So when you score a bear, you're 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.439 you're getting h You're getting you're getting two measurements. You're 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.680 you're measuring the longest distance between the this occipital bone 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.760 and then the usually the front teeth, Like if the 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.079 bear didn't have teeth, you would just measure whatever's the 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.800 furthest out front. So you're taking that measurement, and then 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.360 you're measuring in between what they call the zygomatic arches. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.160 So it's just two measurements. And now what the reason 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.760 we got I got interested in scoring this bear is 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:29.959 that this was a huge bear. And I would if 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.280 you'd have said cloud killed at four and fifty pounds bear, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:38.640 I would have said guaranteed over nineteen. Yeah, and we'll see. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.120 So this is what they use at Boon and Crockett 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.520 to caliper measure bears. They also have a bear box 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:52.920 that's actually better than these. Is that a Kansas bear? Yeah, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:59.240 I put it right. Get that stretched out for me, Kobe, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.640 so we can So we're we're we're just measuring the bear. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.920 I've got these big calipers and I'm getting them measured, 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.560 getting them for those in the audience here. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.559 He's using calipers and then using an old war out 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:12.200 tape measures. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.920 Yeah, exactly. Okay, we're gonna call that the length. So 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.120 remember this number. We're gonna go by sixteenths, So it's 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:30.640 eleven and oh goodness, gracious tough man, three little marks, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.320 eight ten, six, ten, sixteenths. And you don't you don't 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.320 reduce the fraction? Am I? Right? Coby? Is that eleven 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.920 and ten sixteen? I think so it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.719 eight nine ten. We're gonna call it eleven, eleven and 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:55.640 eleven sixteenths. Okay. And then on the zygomatic arch bear skulls, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.560 there's there's a big debate in the bear scoring world 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.280 of do bear skulls get bigger as a bear gets bigger? 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.200 You know, like they definitely grow, like it takes them 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.440 a long time to mature. But I've never found an 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.400 academic source or just somebody that really knew that wasn't anecdotal. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.760 Like I've got an opinion, but I have nothing to 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.640 back it. But like I think, once they get about 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.800 six years old, the skull doesn't really get any bigger. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.280 It would be like does your head get bigger after 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.760 you're twenty five years old? Like does your face get bigger? 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:34.200 My forehead? 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.040 So is your head gotten bigger? 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:36.440 Big? 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:36.880 Are you? 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:37.520 Yeah? 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:39.480 Because all the big bucks. 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.400 You've killed or a big bears and everything. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.360 Okay, I thought for a minute, you're being serious, It's like, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.600 really your hat size has changed. Okay, there's the zygomatic 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.559 arches because you might kill a really old bear. We're 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.840 gonna call that six in eight sixteenths. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.160 So do the math eighteen and eleven and ten eight? 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:03.079 Is it? 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:03.440 Really? 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.280 That's just what I went through my head. See how 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.079 close I was it was? 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.360 It was what it was eleven and eleven sixteenths plus 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.760 eight five eight, but I think it eight eighteen I 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.440 think be eight and the a little over that eighteen? 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:22.360 What was what was the second measurement? 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:30.400 What was six eight sixteenths? Wait a minute, calculator. So wow, 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.960 we're just like, I think this is rivating podcast material 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:40.320 for all you adiout that sixteen eighteen and three sixteenth Okay, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.520 So that really surprises me. I think that that was 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.720 a I mean a mature board. It's not like a juvenile, 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.240 but not a real old one young and it didn't 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.480 have a big skull and a lot of times too, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.480 we've not got the tooth age back on the spare, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.640 but the a unger bear has a real slick skull, 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.760 and one that is older just has a lot of 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.560 a lot of like it almost looks like a coral 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.360 reef on its head. And yeah, it's got. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.400 Kind of like what it looks like inside. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.440 Sinuses. At least that's wild, that's cool. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.360 It was the bear that I'm working three. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.720 Sixteenths okay, eighteen three sixteen. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:23.560 Sharp on the top. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.720 Yeah, that he's nineteen a marker of some. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.920 Agent young and twenty good question. And twenty is the 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.080 minimum for Boone and Crockett. Twenty one is the minimum 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.960 for all time. So Boone and Crockett has when you 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.600 hear somebody say that's a Boon and Crockett deer, that's 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.880 a Boon and Crockett bear. That the story is actually 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:48.240 a little bit more complex than that because Boone Crockett 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.920 has two record books. They have the three year record Book, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.520 which the minimum is lower, and that means every three 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.400 years they make a record book, they print a book. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.080 I've got one in here somewhere, and if you kill 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.640 a bear over twenty inches during that three year period, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.560 your name will appear in the record books. Those who 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.120 kill a bear that scores twenty one is in the 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.840 all time record books, which means if you had killed 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.600 a bear in the nineteen nineties that scored over twenty 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.320 one inches, which would have just really been something. It 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.160 would it would remain in every single record book. So 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.520 I killed a bear in twenty fifteen that scored twenty 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:32.880 and eight sixteenths. It was in that one book, but 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.640 it won't be in all the rest of them. Does 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.320 that make sense? So every animal, every Boon and Crockett animal, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:44.000 actually has a all time record and the minimum Boon 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.120 and Crockett entry. And so you hear people throw around 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.560 all the time one hundred and seventy inch typical white 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.440 tail as a Boon and Crockett like guys constantly say, oh, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.760 that's a booner. One seventy. Actually one sixty is a 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.880 booner because one sixty gets you in the three year 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.080 period record book. But but but one seventy is what 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:09.560 people picked up. Yeah, yes, and and with with white 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.240 tailed deer. And this is another thing that you know, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.560 it's just like things change in the in kind of 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.240 like the working vocabulary of all this stuff is that 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.760 the Boon and Crockett like you might kill a non 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:27.360 typical buck that scored one seventy and you'd be like, man, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.520 I killed a booner. People would say that like NonStop 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.360 but the Boon and Crockett minimum for a non typical 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.480 is actually I'm pretty sure it's one eighty five. It's 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.080 been a long time since I've even looked at it. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.480 I thought, is it one five? Probably, you're right, I 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:47.320 think in the in the that's all time. I think 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.400 the other one is one eighty five. The other entry anyway, 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.000 where you wild the Boon. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:57.000 And Crockett deer, No, no, no, no Boot and Crockett, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:58.520 No boot Crockett anything. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.240 The only the only animal I ever killed that scored 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:02.640 Boon and Crocket minimum was a bear. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:04.840 So you have killed a boot and Crocket bear. I 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.680 have minimum, but not all. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.520 Time twenty and eight sixteens. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.040 You would have needed twenty one to be able. Yeah, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:12.200 that's a big bear. 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.200 That's you could You could kill one hundred bears and 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.479 not kill a boot and Crocket bear. Have you ever 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:19.840 killed one over? You've killed one over? 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.480 Twenty had No, That's why I was telling you. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.080 I've killed eleven bears and my base one was nineteen 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.359 and fourteen sixteens. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.160 Yeah, to be precise on the measurement. 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.399 So yeah, there's something about those high nineteens that I mean, 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.760 that's a big bear. High in nineteens, and it's it's 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.800 like when you get one over twenty, like you've got 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.280 a big one anywhere in the any anywhere in the country. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.760 Booon and Crockett Brown trouts thirty inches. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.439 Brown is such a real thing. No, No, is there 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.879 a scoring system for fish. No, And if there was, 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:52.720 we wouldn't. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:52.600 Talk to you. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:54.840 It would just be way too boring. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:59.480 Poundage kind of like if you're overweight. So yeah, yeah, yep, yep. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:16.520 Well, uh so this week's episode was quite a bit different, 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:19.920 quite a bit different. Were you surprised when you heard it? 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:20.480 Crank up? 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:20.639 Mo? 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.480 Could you? Did you pick up that? Like, wait a minute, 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:23.040 real quickly? 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:24.919 Then? 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.000 It was totally different from most anything that you had 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.960 put out on the Bearers podcast. 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.440 So yeah, yeah, that makes sense kind of what we 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.239 were doing though. Yeah, Like it was kind of like, oh, 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:36.359 this is gonna be fun. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:39.960 Yeah, especially after the office references. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.320 Yeah, yeah, I was looking missing. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.560 I was proud of me. Yeah, I was mixing. You're 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.159 mixing a lot online reality with like reality, so probably 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.960 people are like really confused. Yeah, I actually know. Robert Morgan, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.320 the famous Boon biographer who actually is a professor at 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.040 Cornell uh huh who. When I was with him, was 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.240 very tempted to ask him if he knew and Bernard, 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:08.240 which I think would. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.800 If he would have caught the reference at all. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.360 No, I don't think he would have, and I don't 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.800 know he Maybe he may have been more like pop 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.440 culture savvy than I thought, but I don't think so. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:26.359 Robert Morgan is pretty pretty He's pretty pretty dialed into 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:27.120 what he does. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.600 I thought it was great. I really enjoyed it. I 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.200 felt felt like it was I had the right amount 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:39.560 of of content that was educational, but at the same 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.520 time it was it was a pretty fun episode. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.080 Yeah. Yeah, I don't think Cornell is going to be 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.640 really sought after as a destination school now. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:55.280 I like, hey, Bear, Grease, don't mention our name anymore. 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.560 They were a little rough on guy from Wisconsin Chester. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:02.000 Uh. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.000 I can't get off this this uh, this Office reference. 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.879 I wonder if there you know, there's conspiracy theories about 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.720 how all the underground channels of like big business, big government, 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.879