WEBVTT - Iodized Salt

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson and I'm Holly Frye.

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<v Speaker 2>Back at the beginning of May, I read an article

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<v Speaker 2>in the Washington Post called how the arrival of iodized

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<v Speaker 2>salt one hundred years ago changed America. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>immediately fascinated by this whole thing, And I also wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to learn more than a thousand word newspaper article could

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<v Speaker 2>tell me. I already knew, and I think maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of folks already knew from something like elementary school

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<v Speaker 2>health class that iodine is added into table salt because

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<v Speaker 2>our bodies need that iodine for thyroid reasons. And I

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<v Speaker 2>also knew there are various people who, for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>don't like iodized salt or don't want to use it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was sort of the sum of my knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>about the iodide salt. And so reading this Washington Post article,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really grasp that adding the iodine to the

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<v Speaker 2>salt was not just like a nutritional nice to have.

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<v Speaker 2>They were not like well meaning public health people kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, wouldn't it be great if everybody just had

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<v Speaker 2>enough iodine, just because it was to try to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with a problem that in some parts of the world

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<v Speaker 2>was really serious with chronic iodine deficiency. It was incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>widespread in some places, and that was causing a range

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<v Speaker 2>of actual health issues, not just wouldn't it be great

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<v Speaker 2>if we all got enough iodine.

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<v Speaker 1>So a complete history of salt would be its own episode,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps even more than one. You could even have

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<v Speaker 1>the story of salt as an entire podcast. I imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, edible salt or sodium chloride makes food more flavorful,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's an electrolyte that our bodies need to function correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>Salt can also be used to preserve food through salting, curing, brining,

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<v Speaker 1>or pickling, and there are lots of non dietary uses

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<v Speaker 1>for it as well. So for those and other reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>people have wanted and needed salt, going all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to our earliest beginnings, cultures all around the world

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<v Speaker 1>have boiled or evaporated salt from water, including seawater and

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<v Speaker 1>water from salt lakes or mineral springs. Animals besides us,

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<v Speaker 1>need salt to often they get it from licking at

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<v Speaker 1>salt deposits. So people who are living farther inland could

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes find sources of salt by just watching what the

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<v Speaker 1>animals were doing, even if salt had no other uses.

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<v Speaker 1>Its importance in flavoring and preserving food has made it

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<v Speaker 1>highly sought after all over the world for basically all

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<v Speaker 1>of history. Some of the world's earliest trade networks were,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, salt roads, and many of the earliest governments,

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<v Speaker 1>established thousands of years ago, regulated the salt trade and

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<v Speaker 1>establish salt stockpiles. Iodine is not nearly as abundant assault,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is similarly critical. People and all other vertebrate

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<v Speaker 1>animals need iodine for our bodies to function properly. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>the body uses iodine to make thyroid hormones, and thyroid

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<v Speaker 1>hormones regulate a number of body functions, including growth and metabolism,

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<v Speaker 1>affecting virtually every cell in the body. The iodine we

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<v Speaker 1>consume moves from the digestive system to the blood and

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<v Speaker 1>from there to the thyroid gland, which produces those hormones.

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<v Speaker 2>People only need a little bit of iodine. In the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, the recommended daily allowance is only one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty micrograms a day for adults. It's roughly half

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<v Speaker 2>that For babies and children, the recommended daily allowance increases

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<v Speaker 2>to two hundred and twenty micrograms during pregnancy and two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ninety micrograms while lactating. But whether people can

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<v Speaker 2>get that much eye iodine without access to fortified foods

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<v Speaker 2>like iodized salt varies widely depending on where they live.

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<v Speaker 2>There's iodine in seawater, and it's in the Earth's crust,

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<v Speaker 2>but exactly how much iodine there is in a particular

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<v Speaker 2>location depends on things like how close it is to

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<v Speaker 2>the sea and geological changes that have taken place over

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<v Speaker 2>thousands and thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 1>The presence of iodine in seawater means that various types

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<v Speaker 1>of seaweed and marine animals are also high in iodine,

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<v Speaker 1>so people living in an island nation like Japan, where

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional diet includes a lot of seafood and seaweed

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<v Speaker 1>may be able to get enough iodine through their regular

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<v Speaker 1>diet without some kind of supplementation.

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<v Speaker 2>Generally speaking, things get trickier farther inland. How much iodine

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<v Speaker 2>is available to people and animals depends on how much

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<v Speaker 2>of it is present in the soil, so, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>cows grazing on a pasture near the sea, where the

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<v Speaker 2>iodine in the soil is replenished by the spray blowing

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<v Speaker 2>in from the ocean, they might get enough iodine, and

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<v Speaker 2>that means there would also be iodine in their milk.

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<v Speaker 2>But high altitudes places where there are recurring floods or

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<v Speaker 2>cycles of glaciers melting and refreezing, those places typically have

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<v Speaker 2>very little iodine in the soil, so without some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of supplementation, people and animals living there cannot get enough

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<v Speaker 2>iodine in their diets.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't only a problem for humans who rely on

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<v Speaker 1>these animals for food. Iodine deficiency in livestock is connected

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<v Speaker 1>to things like still births, the deaths of young, and

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<v Speaker 1>lower production of eggs and milk. As a side note,

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<v Speaker 1>in today's world, some of the iodine and milk doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually come from what the cows are eating. It's from

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<v Speaker 1>the use of iodine as an antiseptic or sterilizer, both

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<v Speaker 1>on the cow's utters and on equipment that's used in

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<v Speaker 1>the dairy industry.

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<v Speaker 2>There are also some things that can interfere with the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies of bil to absorb iodine, including compounds found in

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<v Speaker 2>cassava and millet, and some chemical pollutants. So a person

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<v Speaker 2>living in an area where the soil is low in iodine,

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<v Speaker 2>or whose diet includes a lot of those foods somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's exposed to these kinds of pollutants. These people could

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<v Speaker 2>have even more difficulty getting enough iodine In people.

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<v Speaker 1>Iodine deficiency can lead to a number of health issues.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said earlier, the body needs iodine to make

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<v Speaker 1>thyroid hormones. If the thyroid gland isn't getting enough iodine

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, it enlarges as it tries to filter

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<v Speaker 1>more iodine from the blood. This enlarged thyroid gland is

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<v Speaker 1>called a goiter, and a goiter can put pressure on

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<v Speaker 1>the blood vessels in the neck and on the trachea.

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<v Speaker 1>There are other things that can cause goiter, including autoimmune

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<v Speaker 1>disorders like graves disease, thyroid nodules, and cancers, but iodine

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<v Speaker 1>deficiency is the most common cause of goiter worldwide, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>non human and animals can also develop goiter.

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<v Speaker 3>Without enough iodine.

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<v Speaker 2>The body also can't make enough thyroid hormone that leads

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<v Speaker 2>to hypothyroidism. Symptoms and effects of hypothyroidism include things like fatigue, listlessness,

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<v Speaker 2>difficulty concentrating, dry skin, feeling cold all the time, depression,

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<v Speaker 2>irregular menstrual periods, among other things. Iodine and thyroid hormones

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<v Speaker 2>also play an important role in brain development in utero.

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<v Speaker 2>Iodine deficiency during pregnancy can lead to babies being born

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<v Speaker 2>with congenital iodine deficiency syndrome, which a startling number of

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<v Speaker 2>sources are still right now in the year twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four while we record this describing using the word cretinism,

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<v Speaker 2>even though at this point that term has deeply insulting connotations.

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<v Speaker 2>Congenital iodine deficiency syndrome can lead to developmental disabilities, deafness

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<v Speaker 2>and inability to speak, and muscular skeletal issues. Treatment with

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<v Speaker 2>iodine can resolve many of the issues associated with hypothyroidism,

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<v Speaker 2>including the physical changes in babies born with congenital iodine

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<v Speaker 2>deficiency syndrome, but not the damage to the brain that

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<v Speaker 2>takes place during fetal development. Iodine wasn't discovered until the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century, but people in various parts of the world

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<v Speaker 2>connected foods that are high in iodine with the prevention

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<v Speaker 2>and treatment of goiter thousands of years ago. Documents from

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<v Speaker 2>China dating back to about thirty six hundred BCE describe

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<v Speaker 2>a reduction in goiter after eating seaweed or burned sea sponge.

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<v Speaker 2>Seaweed and sea sponge continued to show up in medical

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<v Speaker 2>texts in Asia, Europe, and Northern Africa afterward. Ierveateic texts

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<v Speaker 2>from the Indian subcontinent dating back to about fourteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>BCE also include descriptions of hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism, with treatments

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<v Speaker 2>for hypothyroidism including things like milk, various grains, and bladder rack,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a type of seaweed. Overall, earlier medical writers

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know exactly what caused goiter. For example, those same

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<v Speaker 2>Aervedic texts conclude that goiter was caused by edema, and

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<v Speaker 2>various physicians throughout history have blamed goiter on a range

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<v Speaker 2>of illnesses, poisons, and even tumors. But there are also

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<v Speaker 2>written records of people making a connection between goiter and

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<v Speaker 2>the symptoms of hypothyroidism like fatigue and difficulty concentrating. In

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<v Speaker 2>the tenth century, Arab historian and geographer Al mas Udi

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<v Speaker 2>described Europeans as having quote large bodies, dull understanding, and

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<v Speaker 2>heavy tongues, which is often interpreted as a reference to

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<v Speaker 2>how many people had hypothyroidism. In the sixteenth century. Paracelsus

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<v Speaker 2>also made a connection between parents with goiter and children

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<v Speaker 2>born with developmental delays and disabilities. People started to get

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<v Speaker 2>a clearer understanding of the relationship but between goiter, thyroid hormone,

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<v Speaker 2>and iodine after iodine was discovered in the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have more on that after a sponsor break. In

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eleven, French pharmacist and chemist Bernon Courtois was working

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<v Speaker 2>with seaweed at his father's saltpeter factory. This process involved

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<v Speaker 2>burning the seaweed to produce soda ash and then adding

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<v Speaker 2>sulfuric acid to it. One day, by accident, he added

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<v Speaker 2>too much sulfuric acid. In the words of Humphrey Davy,

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<v Speaker 2>this produced quote a beautiful violet vapor. Courtois was not

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<v Speaker 2>sure what this vapor was, but he called it by

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<v Speaker 2>the Greek word iodes, meaning violet. He didn't have time

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<v Speaker 2>to really experiment with this, so he gave a sample

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<v Speaker 2>to Joseph Luis Gaerusac.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>This in our recent episode on Humphrey Davy, Davy and

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<v Speaker 2>Gaelusac each described iodine as an element in eighteen thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>They made those descriptions about a week apart, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they had an argument about who should get the credit

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like so many other newly discovered substances, once it had

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<v Speaker 1>been identified and isolated, iodine made its way into medicines

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<v Speaker 1>meant to treat all kinds of things. Of course, it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have an effect on most of them, and this

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<v Speaker 1>experimental iodine treatment also carried the risk of what came

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<v Speaker 1>to be known as the yod Basidou phenomenon. Yaod is

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<v Speaker 1>the German word for iodine, and Carl Adolf von Basidu

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<v Speaker 1>was the nineteenth century German doctor who worked with it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was reportedly the first person to describe thyrotoxicosis, which

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<v Speaker 1>occurs when there is too much thyroid hormone circulating in

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<v Speaker 1>a person's body. The yod bazidoo effect is thyrotoxicosis in

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<v Speaker 1>response to treatment with iodine.

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<v Speaker 2>As a note, sometimes the terms thyrotoxicosis and hyperthyroidism are

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<v Speaker 2>used interchangeably, but they're there are some slight nuances between

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<v Speaker 2>these two terms. Those nuances are a little outside the

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<v Speaker 2>scope of a generalist history podcast. Both of them however,

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<v Speaker 2>involve an excess of thyroid hormone, they can cause things

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<v Speaker 2>like tremors, weight loss, and low blood sugar, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as a rapid heartbeat, and in extreme cases, can be fatal.

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<v Speaker 2>It did not take long for people to realize that

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<v Speaker 2>iodine could have a beneficial effect on goiter, though. In

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen twenty one, Swiss physician Jef Freancois Quande published a

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<v Speaker 2>paper detailing how he had reduced the size of goiter's

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<v Speaker 2>by administering iodine. But Quondai didn't have a perfect process.

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<v Speaker 2>His iodine treatments led to hyperthyroidism in some of his patients,

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<v Speaker 2>and this continued to be the case for other researchers

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<v Speaker 2>through much of the nineteenth century. Around the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>French agricultural chemist Jean Beausingaul was also suggesting that iodine

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<v Speaker 2>might offer a treatment for goiter That was based on

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<v Speaker 2>a correlation observed between the prevalence of goiter and how

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<v Speaker 2>much iodine was in soil samples in the eighteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>Another French researcher, Caspar Adolf Chattez, similarly described a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>between how much iodine was in the air drinking water

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<v Speaker 2>and soil in a particular area and the incidence of

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<v Speaker 2>goiter there. In areas with more iodine, goiter was less common.

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<v Speaker 2>He also published works suggesting that chronically low iodine levels

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<v Speaker 2>could cause chronic goiter, but his conclusions really weren't widely

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<v Speaker 2>accepted because people questioned whether the minute amounts of iodine

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<v Speaker 2>that he was describing really could have such a pronounced

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<v Speaker 2>impact on a person's body. In eighteen ninety five, German

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<v Speaker 2>chemist Eugen Bauman pinpointed the presence of iodine in the

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<v Speaker 2>thyroid glands and isolated a physiologically active substance from within

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<v Speaker 2>the glands, but he didn't get far on figuring out

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the substance was or how it functioned within

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<v Speaker 2>the body, and he died the following year at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of forty nine. In the early twentieth century, David

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<v Speaker 2>Marine published work demonstrating a clear connection between iodine levels

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<v Speaker 2>and thyroid function, but at first this was not in humans.

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<v Speaker 2>He was studying other animals, including farmed brook trout. These

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<v Speaker 2>brook trout seemed to be prone to some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thyroid dysfunction. Before Marine carried out these experiments, the swellings

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<v Speaker 2>and lesions on these trout's thyroid glands were believed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a form of carcinoma. He concluded that in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of cases this was an ordinary goiter except in

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<v Speaker 2>a fish, and that it could be resolved just by

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<v Speaker 2>adding iodine to their water supply. Marine started publishing this

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<v Speaker 2>work in nineteen oh seven, and within about a decade

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<v Speaker 2>he was studying the connection between iodine and goiter in humans.

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<v Speaker 2>He carried out the first controlled human experiment to t

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<v Speaker 2>this in Akron, Ohio. The test subjects included more than

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand schoolgirls, with half of them receiving small doses

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<v Speaker 2>of iodine and the other half not. Only five of

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<v Speaker 2>the girls receiving iodine developed some kind of thyroid condition,

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<v Speaker 2>but that number in the group who didn't receive iodine

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<v Speaker 2>was four hundred and seventy five. His book on the subject,

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<v Speaker 2>titled The Prevention of Simple Goiter in Man, was published

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventeen. The Akron experiment started in nineteen sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and it ran in parallel to some work on goiter

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<v Speaker 2>prevention that was going on in two places where goiter

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<v Speaker 2>was highly prevalent was the country of Switzerland and the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Michigan. Although these are on two different continents,

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<v Speaker 2>both of them have very low levels of iodine in

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<v Speaker 2>the soil. The work in Switzerland started just a bit earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>In some areas of the country, goiter wasn't particularly prevalent,

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<v Speaker 2>but according to a survey published by doctor Heinrich Bircher

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen eighty three, in one suburb of the capital

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<v Speaker 2>city of Bern, ninety four percent of men had goiters.

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<v Speaker 2>In the early twentieth century, as many as ten percent

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<v Speaker 2>of babies born in Switzerland showed signs of congenital thyroid

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<v Speaker 2>deficiency syndrome, and according to death certificates, goiter was the

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<v Speaker 2>cause of death for more than fifteen hundred people there

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<v Speaker 2>between nineteen eleven and nineteen twenty. Another four hundred sixty

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<v Speaker 2>three people died of thyroid cancer during that period. Researchers

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<v Speaker 2>had proposed various ideas to explain why so many people

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<v Speaker 2>in Switzerland had goiter and why it was so much

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<v Speaker 2>more prevalent in some places in Switzerland than in others.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of these ideas involved eugenics and the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>people who had goiter or the symptoms of hypothyroidism must

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<v Speaker 2>have had bad breeding. Heinrich Hunziker proposed that Switzerland's rates

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<v Speaker 2>of goiter were caused by a lack of iodie.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>There was again a lot of opposition to his ideas

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<v Speaker 2>of iodine supplementation, due to fears that that supplementation might

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<v Speaker 2>poison people.

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<v Speaker 1>Even so, at least one person tried to test out

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<v Speaker 1>Hunsicker's ideas. That was Auto Bayard, from the town of Valet.

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<v Speaker 1>He mixed iodine into salt at five different concentrations and

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<v Speaker 1>distributed it to five families who were living in a

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<v Speaker 1>remote area where the train only ran in the warmer months.

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<v Speaker 1>About seventy five percent of the children living in this

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<v Speaker 1>area reportedly had in large thyroid glands. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>providing salt to these families, Bayard supplied salt for the

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<v Speaker 1>village's animals and to the bakery. He delivered the salt

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<v Speaker 1>before the train shut down for the winter of nineteen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>When he returned there in the spring, he found that

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<v Speaker 2>people's thyroid glands had dramatically improved, and nobody seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>have been harmed by the iodine that had been added

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<v Speaker 2>to the salt. Biard heard about the Akron experiment not

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<v Speaker 2>long after this, and he repeated his experiment on a

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<v Speaker 2>larger scale with the help of the Swiss Health Authority.

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<v Speaker 2>Byard was invited to present his research to the Swiss

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<v Speaker 2>Goiter Commission on January twenty first, nineteen twenty two. He

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<v Speaker 2>and the Commission were not completely sure why adding iodine

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<v Speaker 2>to the salt was so effective at treating goiter, but

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely seemed to work, so the Commission wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>try implementing it nationally. We mentioned up at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the show that governments around the world had regulated

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<v Speaker 2>salt for centuries, and that was the case in Switzerland.

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<v Speaker 2>Switzerland is more formally known as the Swiss Confederation. Today

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<v Speaker 2>it comprises twenty six member states known as cantons. In

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteeneens that number was slightly smaller, but each of

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<v Speaker 2>these cantons had a monopoly on the sale of salt

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<v Speaker 2>there going all the way back to the medieval period,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't possible for Switzerland and as a nation,

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<v Speaker 2>to just mandate the sale or use of iodized salt

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<v Speaker 2>across the whole country, or to make national changes to

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<v Speaker 2>the salt supply. They had to advocate for doing this

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<v Speaker 2>with each of the cantons individually. Hans Eggenberger, chief doctor

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<v Speaker 2>in the town of Harrisau, became a vocal advocate for

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<v Speaker 2>the use of iodized salt, spearheading efforts both within the

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<v Speaker 2>government and as a public relations campaign. By June of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty two, the Goiter Commission had recommended the use

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<v Speaker 2>of iodized salt to all of the cantons, and the

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<v Speaker 2>first deliveries of iodized salt took place at November. Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>was facing really similar rates of goiter to Switzerland. In

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<v Speaker 2>the early twentieth century, this part of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>had been nicknamed the goiter Belt due to the prevalence

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<v Speaker 2>of goiter and thyroid disease in Michigan and surrounding states.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighteen, as Otto Bayard was working on his

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<v Speaker 2>salt experiment, doctor Simon Levin was conducting physicals in Houghton County, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Levin reported that thirty percent of the men that he

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<v Speaker 2>examined had an enlarged thyroid. It was estimated that more

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty thousand men in northern Michigan alone were ineligible

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<v Speaker 2>for military service because of their goiters and an enlarged thyroid.

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<v Speaker 2>Gland was the most common reason for medical disqualification from

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<v Speaker 2>military service in this part of the United States. Since

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<v Speaker 2>the United States was involved in World War One, this

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<v Speaker 2>was seen as an urgent issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Health officials in Michigan expanded their focus beyond military physicals

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<v Speaker 1>and conducted a follow up study in two towns in

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<v Speaker 1>Houghton County for people aged one to sixty one. They

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<v Speaker 1>found that more than sixty four percent of the people

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<v Speaker 1>examined had some kind of goiter. Almost half of school

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<v Speaker 1>children showed some evidence of thyroid dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian American physician David Murray Cowie was the first professor

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<v Speaker 2>of pediatrics at the Universe of Michigan. He had learned

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<v Speaker 2>about the Swiss efforts to add iodine to salt, and

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<v Speaker 2>he recommended a similar program to the Michigan State Medical Society.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen twenty two, the Society established an advisory committee

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<v Speaker 2>in its Pediatric section to focus on this project. This

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<v Speaker 2>would lead to the first widespread use of a fortified

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<v Speaker 2>food product in the United States. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>more about that after we paused for a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of reasons behind the decision to

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<v Speaker 2>add iodine to salts. Rather than trying some other strategy

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<v Speaker 2>to get iodine into people's diets. Various experiments involving iodine

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<v Speaker 2>supplements in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been really successful, Like there were iodine syrups that tasted

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<v Speaker 2>disgusting so children didn't want to take them, or these

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<v Speaker 2>were supplements that only needed to be administered every few months,

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<v Speaker 2>so people would just forget about them. Meanwhile, salt was

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<v Speaker 2>something that virtually everyone used in cooking, and its use

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really vary much from season to season, unlike in

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<v Speaker 2>earlier eras where the salt trade could involve long and

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<v Speaker 2>arduous journeys, which I mean, I guess it still could

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<v Speaker 2>in the early twentieth century, but most people had access

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<v Speaker 2>to salt at a local store at a reasonable price,

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<v Speaker 2>and unlike today, there wasn't a big public health focus

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<v Speaker 2>on reducing salt intake due to sodium's connection to high

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<v Speaker 2>blood pressure. Salt wasn't the only thing that people tried

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<v Speaker 2>adding iodine to in the US, though. In Rochester, New York,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a plan to add ionine to the drinking

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<v Speaker 2>water that started on April twenty fourth, nineteen twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>This involved adding sodium iodide to the inflow of the

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<v Speaker 2>city's reservoir in a project overseen by doctor George W. Goehler,

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<v Speaker 2>who was Rochester's health officer. He had his own backstory

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<v Speaker 2>that we not getting into, including apparently opposing pasteurization because

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<v Speaker 2>he had seen such a reduction in milk boorn illnesses

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<v Speaker 2>through his own inspection program. This effort to add iodine

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<v Speaker 2>to the water was relatively effective, but it had some

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<v Speaker 2>challenges like the amount of iodine that could be added

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<v Speaker 2>to the reservoir was not enough to keep the average

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<v Speaker 2>person's thyroid working well, at least not if they drank

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<v Speaker 2>a typical amount of water, so people were advised to

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<v Speaker 2>drink more tap water, as much as three times more

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<v Speaker 2>than they were typically drinking. The level of iodine in

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<v Speaker 2>the tap water also dropped really quickly after it was

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<v Speaker 2>added to the reservoir.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people also objected to the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>something being added to their drinking water, including other water authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, a write up by the British Water Works

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<v Speaker 1>Association set in part quote, it is contrary to ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>medical teaching to force a whole population to drink doped

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<v Speaker 1>water to the benefit of the minority. There were also

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<v Speaker 1>several fires that appeared to be arson and threats that

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<v Speaker 1>there would be more fires if this program was not stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the rate of goiter in and around Rochester did

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<v Speaker 1>decline while this program was going on, it ended during

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression, after a round of budget cuts and

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<v Speaker 1>Goaler's retirement to return to Michigan. There was a proposal

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<v Speaker 1>to pass a state law mandating the addition of iodine

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<v Speaker 1>to salt, but there were a number of worries, in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, well founded worries that people would object to

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<v Speaker 1>a legal mandate that required something to be added to

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<v Speaker 1>their food. So instead, health authorities in Michigan started a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign of public education and a sort of industry pr

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<v Speaker 1>campaign similar to what had happened in Switzerland, to convince

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<v Speaker 1>all of the cantons to sell idise salt. This involved

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<v Speaker 1>almost two hundred public health lectures that were carried out

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<v Speaker 1>all over the state and work with the Michigan Salt

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<v Speaker 1>Producers Association and outreach to the presidents of all the

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<v Speaker 1>individual salt producers that were selling their products in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>These folks were nicknamed the Saltmen.

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<v Speaker 3>This became a.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge cooperative effort between Michigan's public health workers and the

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<v Speaker 1>salt industry, with David Marie Cowie being a major presence

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<v Speaker 1>in all of it. Officials had to convince the salt

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<v Speaker 1>industry that adding iodine wouldn't affect the quality of their product.

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<v Speaker 1>They even brought in William Hale of Dow Chemical Company

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<v Speaker 1>to demonstrate that it would not change the salt's flavor

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<v Speaker 1>or function. They worked at a process for adding the

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<v Speaker 1>iodine at a step into process when magnesia was already

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<v Speaker 1>being added to keep the salt free flowing, and that

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<v Speaker 1>cut down on the costs involved. They also had to

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<v Speaker 1>do some outreach within the medical community to try to

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<v Speaker 1>reassure doctors that adding iodine to the salt would not

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<v Speaker 1>just flip the situation and cause an epidemic of hype

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<v Speaker 1>thyroidism instead of hypothyroidism. That bit is a little more complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>The amount of iodine that was to be added to

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<v Speaker 1>the salt was nowhere near enough to cause hyper thyroidism

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<v Speaker 1>in somebody whose thyroid was actually working properly, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was enough to cause problems in people who were already

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing serious thyroid dysfunction. According to a paper published in

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<v Speaker 1>the Journal of the European Economic Association in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Iodization may have contributed to as many as ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>deaths in the United States between nineteen twenty five and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty two, primarily among people who had been chronically

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<v Speaker 1>iodine deficient for a very long time like many years.

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<v Speaker 1>Officials in Michigan also wanted to be able to clearly

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<v Speaker 1>document whether this whole effort was working, so they set

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<v Speaker 1>up a research program to evaluate the effects of iodized salt.

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<v Speaker 1>This started with a baseline survey of the rates of

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<v Speaker 1>guaiter and other thyroid issues before iodized salt became available

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<v Speaker 1>in stores, with follow ups to see how things changed

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<v Speaker 1>after people had access to iodized salt. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this was happening in late nineteen twenty three, and on

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<v Speaker 1>March fifteenth, nineteen twenty four, the Michigan State Medical Society

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<v Speaker 1>publicly endorsed the use of salt that contained zero point

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<v Speaker 1>zero one percent sodium iodide. Six different companies selling salt

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan had their iodized products ready to go that May.

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<v Speaker 1>Morton was something of a latecomer. There were executives who

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<v Speaker 1>had concerns about producing iodized salt for only a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of states if that salt was not also being used

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<v Speaker 1>in all of the other states.

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<v Speaker 2>Morton started selling iodized salt a few months after everyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>and by the fall of that year, iodized salt was

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<v Speaker 2>available in stores all across the United States. In most

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<v Speaker 2>places in the US, iodized and non iodized salt were

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<v Speaker 2>both sold into stores, but thanks to extensive public education

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<v Speaker 2>campaigns and advertising on the part of the salt companies,

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<v Speaker 2>most people who had access to iodized salt bought it.

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<v Speaker 2>Follow Up studies in Michigan showed that once iodized salt

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<v Speaker 2>was widely available, incidents of enlarged thyroids dropped by up

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<v Speaker 2>to ninety percent. By nineteen thirty two, between ninety and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent of salt sold in Michigan was iodized,

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<v Speaker 2>so by the mid nineteen twenties, it was clear that

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<v Speaker 2>iodine had an effect on the prevalence of goiter and

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<v Speaker 2>on hypothyroidism, and that salt was an effective way to

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<v Speaker 2>get enough iodine into people's diets, but people still didn't

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<v Speaker 2>fully understand why this worked, including within the medical community.

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<v Speaker 2>An international conference on goiter was held and burned in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty seven, and causes for goiter that were proposed

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<v Speaker 2>at this conference included intestinal parasites, poor hygiene, bad food,

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<v Speaker 2>and contaminated drinking water. A lot of the experts cited

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<v Speaker 2>these as the cause of goiter. While agreeing that the

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<v Speaker 2>addition of iodine to the salt worked to treat that goiter,

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<v Speaker 2>they concluded, though, that the iodine was killing the parasites

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<v Speaker 2>or destroying whatever was contaminating the food or water. Even

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty three, an article in Public Health Reports

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<v Speaker 2>still characterized the cause of endemic goiter as the subject

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<v Speaker 2>of speculation and of divergence of opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>David Murray Cowie died on January twenty seventh, nineteen forty,

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<v Speaker 1>after a coronary thrombosis. At that point, he had been

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<v Speaker 1>working toward a national campaign for iodized salt. His replacement,

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick B. Minor, continued toward that goal and helped establish

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<v Speaker 1>an iodized Salt Committee at the American Public Health Association.

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<v Speaker 1>Although bills were introduced to mandate iodized salt nationwide, none

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<v Speaker 1>of them ever passed.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, laws and standards around iodized salt vary widely from

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<v Speaker 2>one country to another, but an estimated eighty eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people around the world have access to iodized salt.

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<v Speaker 2>For the most part, once a nation's salt iodization program

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<v Speaker 2>is well established, people typically still have access to iodized

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<v Speaker 2>salt even when war or some kind of other unrest

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<v Speaker 2>disrupts other public health measures like vaccine programs. But that

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<v Speaker 2>still means that around the world, more than nine hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million people don't have access to iodized salt, and an

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<v Speaker 2>estimated fifty million people have enlarged thyroid glands and possibly

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<v Speaker 2>other concerns. Because of this, researchers have also looked for

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<v Speaker 2>other ways to distribute iodine in places where iodized salt

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<v Speaker 2>isn't practical for some reason or where there's some other

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<v Speaker 2>issue going on. One example is the use of iodinated

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<v Speaker 2>poppyseed oil in highland areas of New Guinea where iodine

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<v Speaker 2>deficiency is particularly or adding iodine to irrigation water or

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<v Speaker 2>animal feeds so that it makes its way into other foods. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty one nations that are currently reported as having

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<v Speaker 2>insufficient iodine intake are scattered all over the world in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that looks pretty random on a globe. This

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<v Speaker 2>includes both rich and poor countries. In Europe, Asia, Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>and Central America, and there are thirteen countries that have

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<v Speaker 2>too much iodine, either from already abundant iodine in their

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<v Speaker 2>diets or over iodization of the salt. Here in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, dietary iodine intake has been declining since the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies. Some of this is because of concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>the connection between sodium intake and hypertension, although the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>sources of sodium in the typical American diet are processed

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<v Speaker 2>foods that are not usually made with iodized salt, not

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<v Speaker 2>the iodized table salt that people might be avoiding. But

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<v Speaker 2>another reason is just an increasing preference for things like

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<v Speaker 2>sea salt and kosher salt and Himalayan pink salt. These

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<v Speaker 2>are typically not iodized, although there are some brands that

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<v Speaker 2>do carry iodized versions of these products.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, a lot of people in the US

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<v Speaker 1>are getting more of their iodine from dairy products than

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<v Speaker 1>from table salt, which means the rising preference for non

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<v Speaker 1>dairy milks is playing a part in this story as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether a plant based milk contains iodine depends on what

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<v Speaker 1>it is made of. Some of them use thickeners made

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<v Speaker 1>from seaweed, although the iodine and the seaweed might not

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<v Speaker 1>make it through the manufacturing process.

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<v Speaker 2>In the United States, nutrition labels typically only list iodine

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<v Speaker 2>content if that was added into the product, not if

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<v Speaker 2>the iodine occurs naturally, and that can make it tricky

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<v Speaker 2>to know how much iodine a person is actually getting,

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<v Speaker 2>and this affects people who are trying to get enough

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<v Speaker 2>iodine as well as people who need to avoid iodine.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, people who are getting radioactive iodine treatment are

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<v Speaker 2>typically advised to avoid iodine in their diets. Since we

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<v Speaker 2>have a whole episode on the history of radio iodine treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna run that as a Saturday Classic because it

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<v Speaker 2>overlaps with this.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit. Do you also have listener mail for us?

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<v Speaker 1>I do have listener mail for us. It is from Jody.

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<v Speaker 1>Jody wrote, Hi, Holly and Tracy. Usually I listened to

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast weekday mornings when getting ready for work, but

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw this week's lineup was food themed, I

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<v Speaker 1>decided to spend my Saturday afternoon with you. What caught

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<v Speaker 1>my eye was banana ketchup. This came on my radar

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago after I moved from the Florida

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<v Speaker 1>Keys to Las Vegas, Nevada, where there's a much larger

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<v Speaker 1>Filipino population. I'm also a canner and had to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what to do with the fifteen ish pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>bananas that showed up with an Instacart order instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the one bunch I was exp This was during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>so another quick sweetbread was out of the question. I

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to reading more about Maria Rosa's story using

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<v Speaker 1>your references as a guide. As for how my banana

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<v Speaker 1>ketchup turned out, it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Lol.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the safe canning recipe I used. There's a link

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<v Speaker 2>to a recipe for banana ketchup. A Filipino co worker

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<v Speaker 2>tasted it and approved, but my brain had trouble making

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<v Speaker 2>sense of the color and I couldn't eat it with fries.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do make a beat ketchup that gets gobbled up,

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<v Speaker 2>so I know that's just in my head. That being said,

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<v Speaker 2>I do try to run a zero waste kitchen, so

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<v Speaker 2>I use it as a base for barbecue sauce for

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<v Speaker 2>grilled ribs, and my guests kept trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what the secret flavor was while licking their fingers attached

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<v Speaker 2>for cat tacks are picks of our ten year old

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<v Speaker 2>spicy cat Ella and almost four year old goofball Jazzber.

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<v Speaker 2>My husband is a jazz musician, so Ella is named

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<v Speaker 2>after Ella Fitzgerald, and Jazz has not stopped purring since

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<v Speaker 2>we adopted him from a shelter. His eyes looked like

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<v Speaker 2>green jasper. This cat's I like this. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of a black cat with a very startled expression.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this kitty cat is actually startled,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's that's the way that it struck me. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there's also other kitty cat, so I'm guessing this

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<v Speaker 2>one is Ella.

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<v Speaker 3>Ella is on a bookshelf.

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<v Speaker 2>Posed in such a way that at first I thought

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<v Speaker 2>this was like a cat figurine.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it is the real cat on the bookshelf. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so interested about number one hearing the that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody just needed to make some banana ketchup at home

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<v Speaker 2>because of all of these extra bananas. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>also reminded me of experience I had in the early

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic years when I had an order from like a

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<v Speaker 2>place that sold locally grown fruits and vegetables and things,

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<v Speaker 2>and the it was described as a pound of halapeno peppers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I don't think that can be right,

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't think I'm gonna get a whole pound

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<v Speaker 2>of halapeno peppers. I did, so I made a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of infused vodka with because that was more holopenos than

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<v Speaker 2>I needed at that moment. Uh So, thank you so

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