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Speaker 1: Let's hit the inside scoop.

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Speaker 2: FC senior insider Ken Rosenthal just reported on that trade

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Speaker 2: between the Angels and the Nationals.

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Speaker 1: Ken does that mean that the Angels are not going.

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Speaker 2: To sell away their pieces like a Kenley, Jansen, Taylor Ward, etc.

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Speaker 2: Are those guys off the market now and they're going

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Speaker 2: to even if they don't buy hard, They're going to

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Speaker 2: buy a little bit and be in this thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I can make that statement definitively,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know exactly what the Angels are doing.

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Speaker 3: I heard earlier this morning and reported that they were

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Speaker 3: looking at middle relief types and just going to add

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Speaker 3: in a modest way. They've done that with this trade

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Speaker 3: with the chafin Garcia trade with the Nationals. Now, does

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Speaker 3: that mean they subtract as well? I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. My guess is they don't want

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Speaker 3: to do too much and be crazy buyers because there

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Speaker 3: are four games out in the Wildcard and let's face it,

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Speaker 3: they're not winning the World Series this year, but they

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Speaker 3: want to be as competitive reasonably possible within the framework

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Speaker 3: of what they're doing, and this trade would seemingly enable

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Speaker 3: them to do that or help them do that. Does

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Speaker 3: it lead to other trades cell type trades. I can't

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Speaker 3: say for sure, but my guess, and it's just a guess,

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Speaker 3: would be no.

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Speaker 2: Another big one that has popped up over the past

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours is how active will the Houston Astros be.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like that Essac paratus injury is pretty serious.

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Speaker 2: Does a Carlos Correa really enter the fold for this team?

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Speaker 2: And if not, I know you reported about Dylan Cees

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Speaker 2: or a big name starter for them.

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Speaker 1: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: Well, we did report on Dylan CEA's being a focused

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Speaker 3: yesterday and he's certainly at the top of their wish list.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how they go about getting him

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Speaker 3: because they don't have much of a farm system, and

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Speaker 3: payroll is a question with them luxury tax perroll. Carlos Correa,

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Speaker 3: Dan Hayes and Chandler Room just posted a story about

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Speaker 3: this on The Athletic and it was went into a

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Speaker 3: good amount of detail about just how unlikely this is.

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Speaker 3: Now you never say never thing's gonna happen, but they're

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Speaker 3: trying to move their relievers, or at least talking about

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Speaker 3: moving their relievers join Duran Griffin Jacks, They've got Danny

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Speaker 3: Koolohm to move. They've got other pieces in play as well,

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Speaker 3: Willie Castro. It sure doesn't sound to me like they're

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Speaker 3: locked in on a Korea trade, and it would require

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Speaker 3: his approval. He's got a lot of money. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: the Twins would have to pay some. As I said,

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Speaker 3: Dan and Chandler wrote a nice detailed story about just

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Speaker 3: what this is and how unlikely this is. Jim Crane,

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Speaker 3: the Astros owner, likes stars, and that's what's driving a

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Speaker 3: lot of this. It drives the Dylan Cee's conversation, and

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Speaker 3: it drives the Korea conversation. But if I had to guess,

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Speaker 3: and again we're guessing here, we're picking out things out

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Speaker 3: of the air, I would say Dylan sees more likely

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Speaker 4: Shane Bieber. You talked about the fest. He hasn't even

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Speaker 4: pitched in a big league game yet. How serious are

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Speaker 4: the Cubs or other teams at looking at Shane Bieber?

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Speaker 5: What is he actually going to bring?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're looking, and he's been on a rehab

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Speaker 3: assignment coming off Tommy John and he's pitched well. He

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Speaker 3: looks good. The question is do you take the chance

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Speaker 3: on Shane Bieber coming off the surgery and knowing that

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Speaker 3: pitchers coming off the surgery aren't always as sharp as

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Speaker 3: they will be later. And he's got a sixteen million

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Speaker 3: dollar player option, and that complicates things as well. If

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Speaker 3: he takes that player option, are you comfortable with it?

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Speaker 3: If he pitches well enough where he would decline it

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Speaker 3: and hit the open market, are you comfortable enough paying

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Speaker 3: whatever the Guardians would want. It's a complicated situation, obviously,

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Speaker 3: but he is definitely in play. And I believe we

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Speaker 3: talked about this yesterday, guys with Classe and Luis Ortiz

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Speaker 3: on nondisciplinary paid leave. It seems like the Guardians are

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Speaker 3: more inclined perhaps to listen than they would have been

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Speaker 3: otherwise on some of their players, and Kwan would be one,

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Speaker 3: Bieber would be another. Always set their bar pretty high,

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Speaker 3: and they always stay disciplined with what they are willing

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Speaker 3: to accept in return. They don't lower the bar. But

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Speaker 3: at the same time, they know this year is lost.

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Speaker 3: Next year do they want Kwalm back, Well, he's got

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Speaker 3: two more years of control. That's the question.

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Speaker 6: All right, I'm gonna go to another team. We mentioned

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Speaker 6: the Angels and you don't know what they're doing. The Giants,

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Speaker 6: what are they doing because they have completely, I don't

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Speaker 6: want to say fallen apart, but they're at five hundred now,

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Speaker 6: they're way back in the division, they're back in the wildcard.

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Speaker 5: What are they gonna do?

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Speaker 6: Because Buster Posey's always a player, he wants to go

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Speaker 6: for it, but does he have the pieces to make

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Speaker 6: and try to get build for the future.

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Speaker 3: Aj My question with them is are they worth reinforcing

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Speaker 3: further reinforcing after the Devas trade. They've played so poorly,

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Speaker 3: losing eleven of thirteen. Now, I know it's one window

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Speaker 3: in the season and things can change quickly over the

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Speaker 3: final two months, but it's not exactly like they're screaming,

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Speaker 3: hey man, help our club, Buster, because we're really good.

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Speaker 3: They haven't been really good. So there are reports this

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Speaker 3: Camillo Daval would be the most enticing of those, so

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Speaker 3: I can see them doing that, and I can see

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Speaker 3: the same time, as you mentioned, Ajay, and you're so

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Speaker 3: right about this, buster. Posey wants to win. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: envision retreat, and this would be something of a retreat.

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Speaker 3: So maybe you use a reliever to get a bat

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Speaker 3: that you need at the major league level. That would

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Speaker 3: be an advisable thing to do. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: that's what they have in mind. It's unclear right now.

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Speaker 1: Sent you Ken.

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Speaker 2: There haven't been a ton of moves over the past week,

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Speaker 2: but one team that's made three moves is the New

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Speaker 2: York Yankees. They acquired Ryan McMahon, Amed Rosario and Austin

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Speaker 2: Brian Cashman said he would.

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Speaker 3: I do. And the Aaron Judge injury they believe will

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Speaker 3: be one in which he misses minimal time. And they

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Speaker 3: still envision themselves in a watered down American League possibly

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Speaker 3: getting hot again and winning as long well as poorly

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Speaker 3: as they've played in the recent weeks, they still think

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Speaker 3: they're good and probably should still think that, right, So

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Speaker 3: I still imagine them, envision them going for bullpen help

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Speaker 3: question I have now is, after making these first three deals,

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Speaker 3: for McMahon, do you now have the prospect power to

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Speaker 3: bigger starter. They certainly do. They're not going to trade

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Speaker 4: I asked you about the and the Cubs battling it

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Speaker 4: recent series. What about the Mets and Phillies both need

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Speaker 4: but Phillies desperately needed. The Mets need it. Outside of

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Speaker 4: shake out? And which team is more in a position

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I could say either team is

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Speaker 3: Dave Dombrowski his history with the Phillies with the Red

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Speaker 3: just because of what Dombrowski has done his track record

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Speaker 6: First of all, we're gonna clip that where you said

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Speaker 6: them right, because that never happened. Second of all, enjoying Bristol.

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Speaker 6: There's not great cell service in Bristol, so when you're

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Speaker 6: you have a sat phone. Okay, but then what are

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Speaker 6: the Diamondbacks gonna do? What are the diamond Back are

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Speaker 6: they gonna sell all these pieces? Because we hear Gallon,

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Speaker 6: we hear Merrill, Kelly, We've heard Suarez obviously, but there's

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Speaker 6: Are they really gonna trade everybody?

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Speaker 3: I don't know? And my keys in their GM is

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Speaker 3: in an interesting position. Obviously, he wanted to compete this year.

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Speaker 3: Injuries rob them of any chance of doing that. And

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Speaker 3: the way the Diamondbacks see it, they'll trade Suarez, Gallon,

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Speaker 3: But what they have to do in those trades is

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Speaker 3: a draft pick. The pick likely would be less valuable

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Speaker 3: for Kelly. But at the same time, the Diamondbacks have

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Speaker 3: expect that they're going to move to me a rental

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Speaker 5: How much has times changed since you started this Because you're.

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Speaker 3: Times have changed dramatically, aj and in so many different ways.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Ken, appreciate the time. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I love that music. That means it's time to talk

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Speaker 2: to Jim Bowden, our resident gm JB.

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Speaker 1: You look fresh, well rested.

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Speaker 2: That's good, but good luck the next twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: because we haven't had a ton of big moves yet.

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Speaker 7: So look, everything changes, right we get somebody twists and

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Speaker 7: So it's going to be fascinating to see who's going

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Speaker 6: I gotta be honest, right, will you tell us what

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Speaker 4: Let's say, how Contra does go? Does that make a

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Speaker 7: Now that's a great question, Eric, because the truth is

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I want to know when is this going

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Speaker 5: to happen, Jim when because I'm bored now tomorrow I'm

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know, but gosh, why do we wait

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Speaker 7: All right, So let me take you into the war room.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 7: I was in the war room seventeen times right as

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Speaker 7: and I say, look, if I can get Duran or Suarez,

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Speaker 7: I'm doing that. If not, I'm either coming to you

434
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Speaker 7: to get Helsley or Benner. This is what I'm willing

435
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Speaker 7: to do. And then you're gonna get a feel for

436
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Speaker 7: how close you are of doing the deals and figure

437
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 7: out what am I close? What am I not close.

438
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 7: You're trying to communicate as much as possible on the

439
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Speaker 7: phone with the text to find out where it's going.

440
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Speaker 7: But if you're Minnesota and you're at the top with Duran,

441
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Speaker 7: who is the most coveted closer, I'm gonna wait until

442
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Speaker 7: one of your blank I don't have to trade him.

443
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Speaker 7: So I'm gonna wait till tomorrow five pm, five to

444
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Speaker 7: ten pm. I'm gonna know what's on the table, and

445
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Speaker 7: then I'm gonna make the decision on five to ten

446
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 7: if I'm gonna make a trade on what's on the table,

447
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 7: or am I gonna go back to you one more

448
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Speaker 7: time and say if you add this guy or you

449
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 7: at that guy, you got a deal. And then as

450
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 7: soon as that happens, and you make the deal. Then

451
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Speaker 7: guess what happens is the next guy. There's the domino,

452
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 7: there's the pivot, there's the chaos, there's a tornado, the hurricane,

453
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 7: all of that, the blizzard. It all happens at once,

454
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Speaker 7: boom and then they all go quickly and then tomorrow.

455
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Speaker 7: It's absolutely hilarious and it's great for all of us

456
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Speaker 7: that cover it.

457
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Speaker 2: And that's why we're on for five plus hours tomorrow

458
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Speaker 2: with the trade deadline show we're ready for it.

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Speaker 5: Is Jim with us for five hours.

460
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Speaker 1: No, Jim's busy. Jim busy.

461
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Speaker 2: But Jim will join us at some point, I think, Jim,

462
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Speaker 2: I'll ask you about the ashros Yes, he will be

463
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Speaker 2: on with us at some point. So and I've heard

464
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Speaker 2: some of your interviews recently with Dana Brown, who's done

465
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Speaker 2: a great job running this team despite them missing so

466
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Speaker 2: many parts, and I think leading the league right now

467
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Speaker 2: with how many guys are on the IL. The two

468
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Speaker 2: names that have popped up over the past twenty four hours,

469
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Speaker 2: with some reports including Ken Rosenthal and Chandler Rome, your

470
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Speaker 2: colleagues at the Athletic Dylan Cees as a target for

471
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Speaker 2: them as far as starting pitching and then this morning

472
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Speaker 2: we're seeing some rumblings about Carlos Korey. I wanted to

473
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Speaker 2: get your thoughts on both of those players. Especially I'll

474
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Speaker 2: quiz you on the kara apart once you get to Cease.

475
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Speaker 2: He's not having a good year. He's got a ton

476
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Speaker 2: of money left. Would you want him? And one hundred

477
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Speaker 2: plus million dollars left?

478
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Speaker 7: Okay? How much will the Twins pay down? They're gonna pay.

479
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Speaker 1: Most of it.

480
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Speaker 7: If they're gonna pay most of it, yeah, I'll take

481
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Speaker 7: them and put them at third base because I don't

482
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Speaker 7: know how long Paradis is gonna be out with a hamstring.

483
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 7: I need a back. They prefer a left handed bat,

484
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 7: they would they prefer a Brandon Lao. They prefer even ohearn.

485
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Speaker 7: But they're in on Suarez right, they're in on Korea.

486
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Speaker 7: I mean they know they need a bad he knows

487
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Speaker 7: it right. Luckily Payne is on rehab, so he'll be

488
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Speaker 7: back soon. I don't know when Paradis is gonna be back.

489
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Speaker 7: I don't know when Alvarez is gonna be back. And

490
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Speaker 7: they're looking in the rearview mirror at Texas Seattle just

491
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Speaker 7: coming towards them. So you know, it depends how much

492
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Speaker 7: the Twins will pay down and what it's gonna cost

493
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Speaker 7: to answer that question. The Dylan sees thing I think

494
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Speaker 7: will probably happen. Now. It's funny because once Ken Rosenthal

495
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Speaker 7: and Chandler Rome put that report out there, of course

496
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Speaker 7: I followed up their reporting, which they did a great job,

497
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 7: and a lot of people were asking, well, why would

498
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Speaker 7: the Astros want Dylan cease and be at a top

499
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Speaker 7: target when he's three and ten with a four to

500
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Speaker 7: seven ERA. Great question. All you have to do is

501
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Speaker 7: look back twelve months ago. What happened at the deadline?

502
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Speaker 7: You say, Kakuchi at the deadline last year was four

503
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Speaker 7: to nine with a four to seven era, Dylan cease

504
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 7: right now three and ten with a four to seven ERA,

505
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Speaker 7: and what happened? Dana Brown said, his data room, I'd

506
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Speaker 7: like to call it the analytic group, but he calls

507
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Speaker 7: it the data room, So we'll call it the data

508
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 7: room for the Astros. So his data room and pitching

509
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 7: room told him the solution they thought they had for Kakuchi.

510
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 7: Kakuchi came over and dominated went five and one, one

511
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Speaker 7: of the best eras in the league. After they got

512
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Speaker 7: him in August in September. They believe they can do

513
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 7: the same thing with Dylan Cease and the underlying numbers,

514
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Speaker 7: you know, the strikeouts per nine. I mean, some of

515
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Speaker 7: these numbers say, yeah, it might be the case, and

516
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Speaker 7: so that's why they're in on them. They have a

517
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Speaker 7: plan that if they get ceased, they think they can

518
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Speaker 7: get him back, and if they make the playoffs, Hunter

519
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 7: Brown Game one, Franbervalda's Game two, Dylan ceased game three,

520
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 7: that'd be pretty good if Cease becomes the guy who

521
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Speaker 7: was last year when he won fourteen games.

522
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure how familiar were with the negotiations with

523
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Speaker 4: the Aeronado to the Astros before. Clearly the Astros had

524
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Speaker 4: that money to use, they spent that money elsewhere. They

525
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Speaker 4: already got yesaparates. Is there any chance if these other options,

526
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Speaker 4: you said Gino Suarez, that it reopens with the Astros,

527
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Speaker 4: or is it like Dana Brown says, no, thanks, like

528
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Speaker 4: you already spurned us once and we were gonna pay

529
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Speaker 4: down your contract.

530
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Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't think Houston's going to be an option

531
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Speaker 7: from what I'm hearing. To be honest, I think there's

532
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Speaker 7: still a chance that the Tigers could be another option.

533
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Speaker 7: They want Suarez. They thought they were gonna get Sworez

534
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 7: when will Best hit him in the knuckles. Luckily, that

535
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 7: Cats game came back negative. So I do think Sware

536
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 7: is gonna be be traded. The problem is there's so

537
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Speaker 7: many teams in on him, right. You got the Seattle

538
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 7: Mariners are on him, Milwaukee Brewers are in on him,

539
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 7: the Cubs, the Mets, the fill There's so many teams

540
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 7: in Unsurez and who knows where he's going right. But

541
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Speaker 7: I think if Aeronata was traded, I don't know if

542
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 7: he's going to wait the no trade to Detroit. He

543
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 7: didn't do it in the offseason. I would think he

544
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 7: might this time around. When he looks at Detroit, you

545
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 7: know they're gonna finish in first, they got a great

546
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 7: pitching staff. I would think he might reconsider. But I

547
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 7: haven't heard anything. I know John Mozaylock was going to

548
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 7: talk to him, and then I never heard another word

549
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 7: on how that discussion went, and the Cardinals haven't told

550
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 7: me anything. So we'll have to wait and see. But

551
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 7: it doesn't sound like Houston's an option for Aeronauto from

552
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 7: what I'm hearing.

553
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 6: Wow, that's crazy. I mean, people say he doesn't want

554
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 6: to go to a winner or whatever.

555
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: That's dumb.

556
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 5: He's comfortable and he has that right.

557
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 6: What I want to know, Jim, is, as you said

558
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 6: seventeen years in the dwar room, does the last series matter?

559
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 6: Does the last because everyone keeps talking, Oh that they're

560
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 6: playing the razor playing the Yankees, and how do the

561
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 6: Cubs and the Brewers play each other? And you know,

562
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 6: how what does this team do against this? Does it

563
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 6: really matter? Or you already have your mind made up

564
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 6: before those those three games because tomorrow there's only three

565
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 6: games on the schedule in total. So do those three

566
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 6: games four games leading up to the deadline really matter

567
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 6: that much?

568
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 7: Aj It never mattered to me ever, when I sat

569
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 7: in that scene, I always felt like, you need to

570
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 7: know what your team is, regardless of the standings, and

571
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 7: if you don't know what it is, I'm not sure

572
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 7: you're right for the job. But I'll be honest. The

573
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 7: one thing I learned surprisingly is whether gms are evaluating

574
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 7: their own team or whether evaluating players. Recency bias matters

575
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 7: to a lot more people than you'd think. And that

576
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 7: is one of the parts of this game that absolutely

577
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 7: shocked me. I remember when I needed to move John

578
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 7: Smiley's contract. He was making four point six million a

579
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 7: year and he had like four or five really bad

580
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 7: starts in June, and I had a veteran baseball guy

581
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 7: Hall of Famer Pacyelick, tell me, don't worry. The way

582
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 7: this industry works, he puts together three or four good starts,

583
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 7: you'll be able to move into the deadline. This is

584
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 7: exactly what John Smiley did trading for Danny Graves, who

585
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 7: ended up being the greatest you know saves guy in resistory.

586
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 7: So you know, recency biased matters. It's like al Contra. Honestly,

587
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 7: last Friday they did the Marlins, did not think he

588
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 7: was going to be traded. Then he shut out the

589
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Speaker 7: Padres for seven innings. Then last night he shut out

590
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 7: the Cardinals for five innings, and all of a sudden,

591
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 7: someone wants to pay the price based on two starts.

592
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 7: You know, I don't completely get it. And with teams

593
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 7: the Giants were buying a week ago, today they're selling, like, yeah,

594
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Speaker 7: I don't know it happens. I mean I don't. I

595
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 7: think you should know by the time you get here

596
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 7: and what you do the last couple of weeks, whether

597
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 7: it be a player or a team outside of an injury. Yeah,

598
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 7: I don't think it should matter, but for some teams

599
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 7: it does. And if you're the GM or president, know

600
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 7: what teams that matter with you know, I always studied

601
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 7: what players were slumping, what player's value was going down

602
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 7: their team, because I felt like I could take advantage

603
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Speaker 7: of it.

604
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: JB quick follow up on the Giants. What do you

605
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: think that they'll sell? Yeah, they're five game I mean,

606
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: they're in worse shape than the Cardinals bullpen.

607
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 7: Yes, it's got a great question the bullpen, Dovall. That

608
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 7: changed today. They were saying, we don't know what we're

609
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 7: gonna do. We're gonna think. I had one GM last

610
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 7: night going, we don't know what Texas or San Francisco's

611
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 7: gonna do. I so I know Texas buying, Okay, they

612
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 7: want a reliever in the right hand hit or they're buying.

613
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 7: They're not selling, I said, But the Giants, I don't know.

614
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 7: Last time I heard they were trying to buy a

615
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 7: bat And that was just a couple of days ago.

616
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden, now we're hearing that

617
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 7: they'll talk about the relievers and look, I don't blame them.

618
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 7: There's so many relievers out there, and people think we're

619
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 7: gonna see some overpays with some really good young position

620
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 7: players being traded for them, and people want to be

621
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Speaker 7: a part of it, and I totally get it. Look

622
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 7: in my career, I traded so many relievers. I traded

623
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 7: Jeff Shaw for Paul Knerico Tournament, and Mike Cameron turned

624
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 7: him into Ken Griffy. I traded Dmitri Young Jeff Brandley

625
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 7: for Dmitri Young. I traded Dave Berber for Sean Casey.

626
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 7: I'll trade relievers all day long. I'll get another one.

627
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 7: I'll go find one. You can make relievers Today. Everybody

628
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 7: throws a hundred, everybody says these great breaking balls. Go

629
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 7: find him. In the minor leagues. We got all kinds

630
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 7: of relievers sitting there waiting to be developed. Go do that.

631
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 7: If I could trade a reliever for an everyday position player, Amen,

632
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 7: all day long, All right, real quick?

633
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 6: One team who makes the biggest impact move between now

634
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 6: and tomorrow?

635
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 5: What team?

636
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: One?

637
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 7: Buyer? Seller?

638
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: I don't care about seller. I'm talking. I want buyer.

639
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 7: I want to win, right, I'm going I'm going I'm

640
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 7: going Phillies. I think Dave Dombrowski's gonna make a slamming

641
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 7: move or two. That's what I think. I think it's

642
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 7: gonna be huge. I also think Jerry Depoto's not done.

643
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 7: I think he's getting a reliever and maybe even another bat.

644
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 7: But if I had to pick one team, I'm going

645
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 7: Dave Dombrowski. It's his time. We watched them win a

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Speaker 7: World Series with the Marlins, right, we watched them win

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Speaker 7: a World Series of the Red Sox. We saw him

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Speaker 7: take the Tigers to the World Series, the Phillies the

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Speaker 7: World Series, but he's never won one in Philly. This

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Speaker 7: is the group he wants to win with, and this

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Speaker 7: is the best team he's had, the best chance he's had.

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Speaker 7: He is He's gonna pay a price that he doesn't

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Speaker 7: normally pay. One of his top prospects is gonna be

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Speaker 7: gone tomorrow.

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