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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Thursday, April ninth, and it

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Speaker 1: was a he said, she said case, and ultimately the

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and DJ and Robes. What she

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Speaker 1: said is that her husband tried to kill her by

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Speaker 1: pushing her off a steep steep cliff in Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: Yes, on her birthday on a hike.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just what she said, it's what his

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Speaker 3: eye witnesses saw and heard. There was a well we

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Speaker 3: now know, insurmountable amount of evidence against doctor Gerhard Koenig,

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Speaker 3: who was found guilty of attempted manslaughter based on extreme

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Speaker 3: mental or emotional disturbance. He did actually get a split

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Speaker 3: more serious charge of second degree murder that would have

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Speaker 3: given him mandatory life in prison. So, yes, he was

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Speaker 3: found guilty, but I guess you could say it could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is the case, of course, that has

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Speaker 1: made national headlines. It's been difficult Robes that we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: maybe for a lot of people in the US to

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Speaker 1: headlines that you might expect because quite frankly, it's way

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Speaker 1: out there, it's in Hawaii. The time zones are different.

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Speaker 1: What did you tell me? The difference was today.

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Speaker 2: Eight hours behind New York.

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Speaker 3: So yes, by the time we're all in bed, they're

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Speaker 2: Like it just is so different.

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this has been missed, But yes, doctor

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Speaker 1: Gerhardt Koenik has now been found guilty. A jury has said, yes,

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Speaker 1: they do believe her story. And as he said, she said,

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Speaker 1: which is really Robes, a story that was about what

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Speaker 1: happened on this steep cliff, this picturesque hike in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: What happened? He said, she attacked him. She said he

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Speaker 1: was bloodied, she was beaten. He still got on the

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Speaker 1: didn't buy it. So Gearhard Koenik has been found guilty. Robes,

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Speaker 1: we go back. We've been talking about this story, We've

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Speaker 1: been covering this story, and I said to you, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how he's showing his face and getting on

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Speaker 1: the stand and trying to tell a story about self

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Speaker 1: defense when I see the picture of that woman that

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Speaker 1: he claims he had to be like that in self defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you and I watched doctor Koenig get on

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Speaker 3: the stand in his own defense, which was fairly remarkable,

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Speaker 3: as you pointed out, because yes, his I guess now

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Speaker 3: all of the doctors, all of the medical reports backing

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Speaker 3: up what she was saying, what she experienced. His own

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Speaker 3: son describing a FaceTime call where he claims that his

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Speaker 3: tried to kill his step mom because she had cheated

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Speaker 3: on him. That's what this whole case was centered around.

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Speaker 3: But to see doctor Koenig.

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Speaker 4: An emotional affair, we should say.

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Speaker 2: You know what, thank you for pointing that out.

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Speaker 3: We because by all accounts, she admitted to having an

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Speaker 3: So this was clearly just something that was going on online.

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Speaker 1: And it was something that apparently this doctor Gerhart was

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Speaker 4: Mister.

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Speaker 1: What came out during the case, but Robes, as we

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Speaker 1: to explain how this happened, Robes, it was so far fetched.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a circumstantial evidence kind of guy.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 1: This was one of those he said, she said, where

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Speaker 1: it was almost, I'm sorry, laughable that he was trying

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Speaker 3: Yes, he admitted on the stand to having hit her

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was an incredible amount of blood on her.

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Speaker 5: But yes, I thought, for me, the most unbelievable part

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Speaker 5: that when she did, she pulled him on.

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Speaker 2: Top of her.

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Speaker 3: So she's on the ground on her back, and according

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Speaker 3: He weighs more than her, he's taller than her, a

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Speaker 3: Everything he was describing, I'm sorry there was no juror

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Speaker 2: It was ridiculous, you.

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Speaker 1: Said, no juror, And yes, obviously he's been found guilty,

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Speaker 1: but he was found guilty of a lesser charge. And

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Speaker 1: to what your point here and there being a jury,

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Speaker 1: no one would believe, well, one of them the jury four.

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Speaker 1: Parson at least spoke to NBC News and that was interesting.

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Speaker 1: They thought it was too. It was almost insurmountable to

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Speaker 3: I thought that was really interesting because so the conversation was,

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Speaker 3: according to doctor Gerhart, they somehow started talking about this

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Speaker 2: He claims that his wife.

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Speaker 3: Brought that up on this hike, and that is what

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Speaker 3: he pre meditated this act. However, you have to remember

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Speaker 2: They were just showing him going to the wife.

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Speaker 2: Some sort of his mental.

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Speaker 3: Decisions along the way that led to that day where

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Speaker 1: He was looking up trails as well. They pointed that out.

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Speaker 1: It's part of the premeditation, but the jury didn't buy it. No,

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Speaker 1: to that extent, the jury didn't buy it. Fine, it

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Speaker 1: took them eight hours.

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Speaker 4: You and I were going back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Look, I am where we fail every time I say,

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Speaker 1: we not just me and you, everybody, nobody knows what

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Speaker 1: the hell a jury is going to do. Ever, But

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Speaker 1: this one took about eight hours. And we were talking previously,

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Speaker 3: So I even said, having listened to we didn't listen

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Speaker 3: full disclosure, full transparency. But what we did here, to me,

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Speaker 3: I actually thought this time a decision, a jury verdict

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Speaker 3: question next is when is sentencing and what is he

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Speaker 3: at a manslaughter charge? What does that mean for doctor Gerhart?

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Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone.

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Speaker 3: As we talk about this big verdict that came out

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Speaker 3: you're waking up, Yes, we are learning that doctor Gerhart

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Speaker 3: Koenig has been found guilty of attempted manslaughter based upon

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Speaker 3: extreme mental or emotional disturbance. He is charged or he

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Speaker 3: is now convicted of, yes, trying to kill his wife,

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Speaker 3: essentially trying to push her off a cliff on a

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Speaker 2: He was looking at a life sentence.

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Speaker 3: And now he is up to facing twenty years plus

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Speaker 3: at this point. That is what we're hearing, and his

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Speaker 3: I would imagine that he isn't facing the more serious charge.

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Speaker 3: But there are steps they are taking. Now, Yeah, what

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Speaker 3: are those steps to appeal the verdict? Yes, of course

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Speaker 3: it looks like he could have been facing much much

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Speaker 3: of that more serious charge, which, frankly, after listening to it,

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Speaker 3: we never get it right. I thought that was very possible.

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Speaker 1: You thought the more serious charge, Yeah, I mean again,

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Speaker 1: this was just one that didn't make sense. And reading

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Speaker 1: got on the stand. It was a very convincing witness.

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Speaker 1: His son, which is her step son. So this is

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Speaker 1: the son from his first marriage got on the stand

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Speaker 1: and say, yeah, my dad called me and told me

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Speaker 1: that he tried to kill her. He told me goodbye

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Speaker 1: and that he wasn't going to I wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: see him again. He was going to kill himself. And

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Speaker 1: he told me that he was She attacked him because

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Speaker 1: she had had an affair. Like, why even tell what

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Speaker 1: are you setting up? What was the bro This is

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Speaker 1: just unfathomable. And the two you know what the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: in the closing argument said that we listed those several

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Speaker 1: reasons that this man is now on trial and that

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Speaker 1: his wife was alive. Those two witnesses, right, were everything.

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Speaker 1: They having two people close by hearing her scream and

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Speaker 1: then coming and seeing and then they testified. Broll, this

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Speaker 1: is one that was desided. Did you use the word insurmountable? Yes,

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Speaker 1: And we were surprised it took as long as it did.

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Speaker 3: That was my biggest surprise that the jury actually struggled

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Speaker 3: with this as long as they did to come to

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Speaker 3: the unanus verdict that they came to. But I stand

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Speaker 3: by the fact that I am genuinely surprised that he

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Speaker 3: was only convicted of the lesser charge. In terms of

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Speaker 3: the premeditation, I thought, I mean, just from what we heard,

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Speaker 3: I thought the prosecution did a pretty good job of

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Speaker 3: established established, seeing, establishing at least enough of I felt

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Speaker 3: like proof that he had thought about this, that he

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Speaker 3: had researched this hike, that he had looked into his options,

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Speaker 3: that there were plenty of other best hikes in this area,

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Speaker 3: that he chose a hike that was dangerous, He chose

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Speaker 3: a hike that had steep cliffs, and he was trying

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Speaker 3: to get her and urging her to continue, even though

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Speaker 3: she was scared, even though she didn't want to go

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Speaker 3: on those steeper versions on her birthday, by the way,

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Speaker 3: he was trying to get her to follow him.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I.

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Speaker 3: Thought that was the most surprising part of this, that

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Speaker 3: it took so long for the jury to get there,

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Speaker 3: and that they only convicted him on the lesser charge

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Speaker 3: given all of the evidence.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know what they again, I never know what

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Speaker 1: a jury is going to do. They hear every single

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Speaker 1: word of every single witness we oftentimes don't get to.

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Speaker 1: It's their job to sit and pay attention and listen

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Speaker 1: to everything.

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Speaker 4: And this is is there more?

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Speaker 1: Who are we to ever question, because they are the

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Speaker 1: ones that know better than any of us because of

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Speaker 1: the way they paid attention. But this is a case

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Speaker 1: that made national headlines. Probably would have made more had

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Speaker 1: this anesthesiologist, yeah been based in the US continuous forty eight,

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Speaker 1: but he was out in Hawaii. But this is a

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Speaker 1: story that got a lot of headlines. But now, konig,

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Speaker 1: how old is he? Not even forty? Why was this guy?

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Speaker 1: She's thirty seven? I think he is thirty nine. He's

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Speaker 1: thirty nine, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Twenty years. Looks like he is facing that. But look,

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Speaker 3: that is not a life sentence. He could be out

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Speaker 3: that is true, before the age of sixty and live

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Speaker 3: a full life afterwards. And look, she thankfully survived this attack.

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine what she's feeling with this verdict.

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Speaker 3: But at least he is going to be behind bars

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Speaker 3: for it looks like the next two decades. Again, that

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Speaker 3: sentencing on August thirteenth. We will continue to follow this

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Speaker 3: but thank you as always for listening to us.

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Speaker 2: Everyone. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside T. J. Holmes. We will

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Speaker 2: talk to you soon.