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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's have a special shout out to

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Speaker 1: our super producer, Max the Wedge Williams and you're old

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Speaker 1: Brown size. I know, yeah, it's I like that. It's creative.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's better than when people do like a

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Speaker 1: what what.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's kind of fun mouthfeel. I know

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Speaker 2: it has some sort of creepy uh anime nerds and

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Speaker 2: cell tendencies, but I'm taking it back, y'all. I'm taking

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Speaker 2: it back for the people, for the ridiculous storians out there.

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Speaker 1: And as one of my favorite musicians once said, allow

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Speaker 1: me to reintroduce myself. My name is Ben Boland. Don't

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Speaker 1: call it a comeback. He's been here for years.

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Speaker 2: I'm Noel. We got Max here on the Ones in

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Speaker 2: the twos and I don't know, guys, what do you

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Speaker 2: say we we we get Weggie with it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I like that, Get Weggie with it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: order some crab cakes from Maryland.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Looking online at Maryland crab Cakes, you'll probably.

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Speaker 2: Get in that gold belly situation though the ship here

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Speaker 2: dry Ice where. I don't know exactly where we split this,

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Speaker 2: but we were in the midst of discussing this hilarious

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Speaker 2: and ridiculous conflict, and I guess we'll join it already

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Speaker 2: in progress.

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Speaker 1: It turns out the Maryland is not the only state

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is beefing with. There is a sliver of land

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Speaker 1: in the northwest corner of Delaware, and this becomes a

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Speaker 1: source of great discord between Delaware and Pennsylvania for well

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Speaker 1: over one hundred years, like one hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 1: they're beefs and it's like smaller than Central Park.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Dude, we see this. We do so much of

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Speaker 2: this stuff. It's sometimes it's hard to put my finger

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Speaker 2: exactly on it. But there have been multiple skirmishes and

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Speaker 2: issues and disagreements between countries and states over less. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's like it's such petty ridiculousness, Frank, like beer to.

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Speaker 1: Will right out there on the African continent, the part

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Speaker 1: of the little piece of land that nobody wants for

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Speaker 1: strange reasons.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's funny, Ben, because that actually does pertain to

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Speaker 2: our Terinolius episode, there's definitely some stuff about land nobody wants,

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Speaker 2: and in getting to that in the conversation we do

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about some bizarre border disputes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also just for a sense of scale, this is

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Speaker 1: a cool fact that Max found. Just for a sense

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Speaker 1: of scale. Yes, this part of the land that they're

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Speaker 1: fighting over, it is smaller than Central Park, but it's

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Speaker 1: larger than the entire country of Monaco Ergo or therefore

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Speaker 1: Monaco is smaller than Central Park.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting, you know. And then as parks go,

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Speaker 2: central parks pretty big. It is pretty big. It is

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Speaker 1: So if we go back to the to our special

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Speaker 1: real estate agent we mentioned earlier, Thomas Craceup, cressapp will

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Speaker 1: see that the conclusion of what people called Cresap's War

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Speaker 1: resulted in the in the drawing of the Mason Dixon

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Speaker 1: line by the colonial aristocrats. But it leads to further

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Speaker 1: problems because Mason and Dixon, despite being super famous in

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Speaker 2: They're not the luminaries of drawing lines. It's a certain

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to like you know, go back to like

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Speaker 4: It's like using bad rounded numbers to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you see a domino effect, you see a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, there was I don't think there

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Speaker 2: Right when you're measuring this kind of stuff, like over

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Speaker 2: Del Marvel Peninsula as evenly as humanly possible. And again,

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Speaker 2: we know, guys, when you're talking about splitting up land,

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Speaker 2: it's not like magical, perfectly configured puzzle pieces that just

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Speaker 2: clean lines of demarcation. This is like wilderness. You know,

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Speaker 2: if you look at the map, we're used to sing,

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Speaker 2: this is the shape of a state, and we've committed

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Speaker 2: took a lot of interesting cocktail map. Yeah, and there's.

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Speaker 1: A reason, you know, I studied this in the past

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Speaker 2: Well, are beefing about like, no, no, it's got to

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Speaker 2: Also true, it's a matter of scale. Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: So this line that they work on, they go into

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Speaker 1: And the line that they were drawing meets up with

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Speaker 2: Ah yes, the titular wedge of the podcast that we're

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Speaker 2: American Revolution becomes a much more ideologically driven war for independence, right, Delaware,

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Speaker 2: you know, broke away from the crown and the penn

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Speaker 2: proprietorship in order to establish themselves as the thirteenth Colony.

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Speaker 2: Can't be part of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: So the circle arc becomes Delaware's northern boundary, and the

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Speaker 1: big question begins who actually owns this wedge? And then

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Speaker 1: the question you might have now, which we certainly had, is.

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Speaker 2: Why would you argue about.

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Speaker 1: Such a comparatively small piece of land. According to authors

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Speaker 1: want ownership because you know, the colonies are often hard

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Speaker 1: quite a holy grail, but it becomes something that everybody

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Speaker 2: It represents something, right, It's less about the function of

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Speaker 2: that you can make off of it.

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Speaker 1: And now at this point we have to take a

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And David Tristan of ABC twenty seven wrote in

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Speaker 2: a piece called who Wants the Wedge? For nearly seventy years,

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania and Dela argued over who on the wedge? A

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Speaker 2: sliver of land created when two lines from the Mason

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Speaker 2: madical error. For the most part, administration of the wedge

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Speaker 2: by the eighteen forties some of the original marker stones

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Speaker 2: decided it was time to re survey the area. Enter

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Speaker 2: Lieutenant Colonel James D. Graham of the US Core of

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Speaker 2: Topographical Engineers, which is a US Corps. I was not

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Speaker 2: aware of Bumppom. So before we get in this, can

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Speaker 2: we just talk about this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why is it Core?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: It's a strange story, and I think it's a future episode.

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Speaker 1: So let's note that. Also, it's funny that you are

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Speaker 1: mentioning it's funny that we're going to talk about pronunciation,

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Speaker 1: because colonel is pronounced like a popcorn colonel, but it's

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Speaker 2: A very yeah, and growing up with a lot of

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Speaker 1: It also reminds me we had an earlier conversation about

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Speaker 1: the city of Wooster or Worcester in Massachusetts, and Max,

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Speaker 1: you will like this fact in particular, a good thing

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Speaker 1: about that town. They just decided that for their library system,

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Speaker 1: they're not they're replacing late fees or lost book fees

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Speaker 1: or damage fees and what you'll guess instead of paying

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Speaker 1: This is but the you know, credit to Pennsylvania, Delaware,

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Speaker 1: They give it the stamp of approval. The two states

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Speaker 1: Well we kind of like we got golfish with it.

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Speaker 3: I yeah, but they are both believed to be Scottish

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Speaker 4: But back in the think about.

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Speaker 1: We didn't even mention its largest city as Wilbington. But

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Speaker 2: Huh. You know that really does kind of make me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because during the Revolutionary War, US soldiers would carry

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Speaker 2: War can be very boring. Oh so it becomes horrific,

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Speaker 2: So I have this picture of us sitting around a campfire.

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Speaker 2: We've already discussed any topic of interest that we could

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Speaker 2: That sounds pretty accurate, doesn't it It does.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and we may have a weird nerdy idea

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Speaker 1: of fun here, folks. I didn't know Wilmington was Wilmington,

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Speaker 2: Oh geez, what that doesn't seem right. He wasn't born there, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, according to Only in your State their page in Delaware,

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Speaker 1: working for Chrysler at some point. It was a forklift driver.

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Speaker 1: He had regular dude jobs.

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Speaker 2: That is very interesting. I had no idea. It's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I found an interesting one. It kind of

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Speaker 3: relates back to remember an episode about Blue Loss. But

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Speaker 3: like you know how some of them stuck around for

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Speaker 3: a while in this. According to Delaware Online, in nineteen eleven,

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Speaker 3: Upton Sinclair, you know, very famous author was arrested for

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Speaker 3: playing baseball in selling ice cream on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear the heretic months.

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Speaker 3: They be ten other people that we should point out

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Speaker 3: there was also ten other people who got arrested.

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Speaker 1: Good good, you know, like Syhai the Prince said no

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Speaker 1: dope on Sundays. That's about Blue Laws exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we do have a fun little side

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Speaker 2: to kind of take us out with because we've been

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Speaker 2: talking a lot about this snipy kind of back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Bad neighbor vibes and we're on the way to April

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Speaker 2: h That's right. So there was I guess you could

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Speaker 2: call it not really an incident, It was sort of

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Speaker 2: a fun thing. On April first of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: the Newcastle County officials the big Ways sided to give

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Speaker 2: the Wedge back to Pennsylvania. Psich, pich you thought April first. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: Josh Shannon, writing for the Newark Post, had this to

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Speaker 2: say about it. Newcastle County government had some fun on

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Speaker 2: social media for April Fool's Day, tweeting that it is

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Speaker 2: giving the Wedge, a tryang shaped area near Newark with

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Speaker 2: a colorful history. You can say that again. Yeah, back

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Speaker 2: to Pennsylvania, and they said, I like this right here.

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Speaker 1: They said, to the terms of our one hundred year

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Speaker 1: rental agreement with Pennsylvania, we're returning the Wedge to our

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Speaker 1: neighbors to the north today. Best of luck to all

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Speaker 1: the Firmer First Countians living there. And then they and

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Speaker 1: then they came for the Chester County government, so they

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Speaker 1: were it's a joke about how confusing it was to

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Speaker 1: It is a pretty good joke. But as you said, Noel,

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Speaker 1: it was all in good fun. The wedge is still

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think it's stings so much anymore. I

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Speaker 2: think this would have been taken as intended with a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a wink wink in yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know these a lot of these folks know each other,

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Speaker 1: so they're they're like texting like, oh haha, nice one,

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Speaker 1: Todd or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that there are more people per square

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Speaker 2: mile named Todd and Delaware than in any other place

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Speaker 2: in the universe. I did not, but it sounds true.

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Speaker 2: It's it's completely true. Don't fact check it. This was fun.

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Speaker 2: This was fun.

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Speaker 4: This is this is more fun than it seemed.

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Speaker 2: To Davity business being frankly, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a blast. We hope you join us in

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Speaker 1: the future.

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Speaker 2: Folks.

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Speaker 1: We've got some great episodes coming up thanks to our

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Speaker 1: super producer mister Max Williams and his uh you know,

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Speaker 1: his brother Alex Williams who composed the Bangin Bop you're

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Speaker 1: hearing right now.

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Speaker 2: Huge thanks to Christopher hasciotis here in spirit. You know,

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Speaker 2: I realized Christophers this is kind of that. We continue

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Speaker 2: to thank him and inferred him being here in spirit

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Speaker 2: because he was really our first ever research associate and

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Speaker 2: kind of set the tone for like the way we

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Speaker 2: do our our setups, with the way we do our documents,

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Speaker 2: with all the tangents and trivia and things. So if

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Speaker 2: anyone's ever wondering about who this mystical being is, that's

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Speaker 2: that's who he is. The Gay Blues. Ye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course shout out you know who we

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Speaker 1: need to shout out more often, guys, Casey Pegram.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, of course Casey on the case. We you

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Speaker 2: know he recently had not recent gosh time, it is weird.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it was so long. It was a

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Speaker 2: while ago. But yeah, he's a dad now. He's a

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Speaker 2: dad now. But okay, borderline don't care for that. But

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Speaker 2: we have been threatening to have him on the show

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Speaker 2: to do some francophile francophone content. And I think now

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Speaker 2: is the time to reach out and boom because I've

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Speaker 2: got I've got one for good I'm working on. I

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Speaker 2: think it will be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a shout out shout out to Casey, Shout out

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Speaker 1: to you. Jonathan Strickland, a k a.

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Speaker 2: The Quizter. The beef is still a thing. And we're

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Speaker 2: hoping that he'll return soon, fresh beef fresh with some

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Speaker 2: fresh beef it, we'll call old Baby J Fresh beef

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Speaker 2: Stricklands exactly. How about We'll see you next time, folks.

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