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If you've been 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.240 eyeing a parent, now is the time to get an 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.120 amazing deal. One more time by raycon dot com slash 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.360 I heart My next guest is kind of doing what 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.120 I'm doing in the sense of exploring the uh the 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:16.840 world of sports beyond the court. Um. He's a constant 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.960 personality on ESPN and ESPN two weeknight basketball studio coverage. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.720 He called select games throughout the year. I managed to 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.000 catch a lot of them. He is a farmer, standout 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.280 point guard and is roundly considered one of the most 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.520 prolific college basketball players in history. Please work with the 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:36.400 money making conversations, Jay Williams, Sean, thanks for having me, man, 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.800 I appreciate it being here. Well, J Like I said before, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.720 they you know, like I said, uh, you know, meeting 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.640 you at a young age, I was way back. I 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.920 was early stage with Steve. Harve and I've started our partnership. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.640 We're doing a radio show in Los Angeles, California, naty 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.360 two point three to beat and this a very gifted 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.200 young man with a lot of energy and a lot 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.240 of confidence. He was out there scheduled to perform in 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.200 the Magic Yance You do this charity classic called the 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.040 Magic Classic, and he would invite the pros and you 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.880 invite these hot shot young athletes who about the end 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.800 of the pros and Mr Williams one of those hot shots, 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.440 and uh, my man, just watching the comeback you have 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.800 from the physical drama that came into your life and 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.919 being able to see you make an attempt to play 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.480 basketball again at that high professional level that you performed 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.000 that when you was in college to be the number 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.680 two pick in the draft. That's that's that's a series 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.040 of events that that allows me to say that you 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:38.400 do not allow, uh, setbacks to hold you back? Is 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.920 that correct? Well, there's no such thing as a setback. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.679 In my opain, I think if you're lucky enough to 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:47.040 be here, everything that occurs is a growth opportunity. And uh, 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.080 I think it's taking me a couple of years to 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.760 get to that point where that was my mindset, But 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.720 now I look at everything with reason. So if something 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.239 that maybe weren't to go my way in life occurs, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.200 I try to extract the lessons learn from that and 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.840 try to make that applicable to the next opportunity I have. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.720 So it's uh, it's been one of the most fortunate 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.440 things that ever happened to me in my life. Because 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.600 I think a lot of people talk about diversity are 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.120 they talk about how they would deal with but it's 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:14.760 not until you really go through it, until you have 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.239 to face it to truly recognize who am I? Who 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.240 am I without? What I do? What do I stand for? 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.440 And I think, you know, Unfortunately for a lot of people, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.760 you spend so much time climbing the mountain in the 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.120 matrix of life because life will throw eight million things 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.560 at you, especially now with social media and you know, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.080 what's going on with your job, and then trying to 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.800 have a family, and then trying to maintain friendships or 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.400 maintain you know, something with a loved one. You don't 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.360 spend any time self reflecting on you as a person 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.120 and what you've gone through and how you have decided 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.000 to extract, you know, lessons from those situations and how 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.720 you have learned. Are you making those lessons applicable to 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.240 where you want to go? Have you even thought about 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.560 putting together a blueprint on where you want to go? 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.040 And I've up into a lot of people that are 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.840 just constantly stagnant. They're just stuck in the same because 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.640 of the the cycle going around the same and I don't 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.760 falling into the same trap over and over again, whether 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.760 the trap has not caught you or not held you down. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.680 And so that when I look at you on TV 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.280 now and I also see that that I don't think 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.680 you really want to be just a sports guy. If 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.320 that's the sense I get of you, I've seen you 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.880 in other platforms. What is what is the plan? What 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.960 is the game plan for Jay Weems? Well, I don't 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.360 know if I have a game plan. I've quickly seen 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:35.720 how how plans can be shifted. Uh when I met you, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.920 you well really, because the last time I had to 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.200 plan was when I you know, it was like I'm 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.320 gonna be in the league for ten fifteen years that 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.520 plan work out. So I think there is a sense 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.520 of direction, there are some kind of internal compass that 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.200 can lead you in the direction. But ultimately I don't 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.360 have this, you know, specialized blueprint on how to answer 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.040 all the questions. I think it's a it's a matter 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.120 of moving and shaking as long as you're headed in 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.479 somewhat of your direction, your north star. But I think 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.400 for me right now, my mistar is how do I 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.240 have autonomy in my business? So I want to build 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.719 legacy that is important to you. Can I get that 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.960 legacy by being on TV and being a sports guy 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.799 and build out a pretty you know, fascinating and great career. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.480 I think I've gotten to a pretty amazing point because 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.680 I potentially have my own show one day. Yeah. But 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.120 you know, for me, I love business too, So I 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.080 love Hey, I have a holding company. How many subsidiaries 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.880 do I have under my holding company? How many businesses 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.039 can I own equity within that? I'm passionate about that. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.440 I can lend a hand to lend me that run 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:43.039 on a day today basis um understanding your strength, senior weaknesses. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.240 How do I surround myself with the right kind of teammates, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.360 you know now doing stuff at the ball room and 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.040 Kevin Durant a rich climate, you know, really digging deeper 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:55.320 into businesses, understanding how other people have approached their businesses 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.200 and how they scaled those entities themselves. So for me, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.039 it's like, hey, I when I first got hurt, I 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.240 invested into an investing company called Leverage Agency, where we 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.839 procured sponsorships from major events around the country. Then I 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.440 started becoming really good friends of different cmos and different 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.960 C level executives and started doing more branding and marketing 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:15.880 and realize that you can move away from the traditional 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.800 agencies to now brands doing it in their own barantases. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.600 So consulting with the thunder arms with the twenties for 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.680 our fitnesses, putting in the time to understand, you know, actually, 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.920 what is the work today, how much my intellect do 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.120 I need to put into a certain product. How can 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.400 we market that product? How do we go to a 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.120 different demo with that product? And I think all that 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.080 has leveraged itself to the point to where I'm that 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.360 now where it's like they doing that with the ball room. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.040 I'm getting involved in different investments. I have my own 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.599 company call destin you know ventures, where I do a 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.560 series of different investments and I work with other companies 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.120 from a branding perspective, and I'm slowly scaling that business 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.080 within itself. So you, as a perfect just gave you 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.520 a lot there. I'm sorry, I kinda I ran well 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.560 when I get up, you do grad Now you that 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:08.080 the Greek played off somehow, Okay, you're constantly just driveling 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.880 on that court. Now some some play that big out there. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.200 Now let me ask you this about that the whole 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.200 process of of being a talent and a sports talent, 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.960 and then with social media and everybody wants that that 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.480 that that sound bite. Now you you you put out 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.920 a sound bite very early in the college basketball season 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.360 about the Duke basketball team. You see that that Duke 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:36.200 basketball team could beat the Cleveland caval Leans. You remember that, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.240 I do. Well, let me tell you about the interesting 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.520 thing about sound bite and the way media worked. So 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.920 a sound bite is when somebody clips off a portion 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.120 of what I said what I said so that you know, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.720 in people will to kind of because we live in 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.040 the world now we're song where people just read headline 0:07:55.760 --> 0:08:00.720 no longer reade click bait. So for me, what I 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.200 had said is, at that time, you know, Kevin Love 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.800 was out, Um, they had about four or five of 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.720 their players who all played significant minutes were out. They 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.120 were due to injuries. So I was talking about a 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.760 lot of their bench players and I said, currently, with 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.160 the makeup of this roster team to meet this Cleveland 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.000 Cavalier's team. People then took that sound bite and they 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.560 transfixed that into Jay said, who can be the Cleveland 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.119 Cavaliers And like that's not what I said, but once again, 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.960 you know, understanding the reality of my product of the 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.760 field I work in. Man, It's like people will choose 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.240 to listen to what they want to hear, right, So 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.559 you can try to practice something by saying that the 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.040 right way or by giving me more context is something, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.400 But inevitably, sound bites are things that travel across the 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.360 social media medium and that's how people listen to. So 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.840 that's just how the industry works these days, apparently. And 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.360 I guess, and I guess that's important that you understand that, 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.360 accept the fact that you have to almost make sure 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.440 you your complete sentence is complete, and so they clip 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.840 you like that. It's not actually take the reverse opposite approach, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.880 I said, And I say it with conviction because I 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.040 didn't think regardless of where the media decides to spin it, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.120 that opens up a door for me to go on 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.000 other platforms and continue to explain the narrative that I 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.200 explained the first time. And I but I think that's 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.959 a great lesson for a lot of younger people to 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.320 listen to because right now you can see the way 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.679 a lot of media companies are trying to get as 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.920 far as it relates to clickbait, you know, like I 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.840 want you to click that minute. I get you a 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.440 percent of revenue every time you click on my headline. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.320 So when you see a crazy headline, I understand like, 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.400 or is there a context to that? Because sometimes we 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.400 click on it's only a story that we thought we 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.120 were going to be reading about, right right, So I 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.760 think there's all these nuances of business. Sometimes the normal person, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.760 like I said, we're so wrapped up into calming and 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.640 this mountain within the matrix of life, like you don't 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.559 have time to understand the context. So it's just something 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.160 that people don't understand. We're gonna take a break and 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.079 come right back as I gotta get him out of here, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.040 and we're gonna talk about the Ballroom. That's why I 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.320 brought him on. The show is something that gave I 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.000 watch it. I do have ESPN Plus. It's a subscription 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:12.240 base through the ESPN company because Disney owns everything now 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.439 and if you not part of the big Disney Mouse, 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.839 the mouse is running things and I'm happy to be 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.120 a part of that with my subscription that I pay 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.440 to watch great shows like The Ballroom. Be back with 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.400 more with my man Jay Williams. My next guest. Uh, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.760 you know, I see him on with my man Seth. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.280 You know Seth on the on the on the on 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.200 the college basketball game day show, and Saith just be 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:41.120 talking and talking. Won't let him talk sometimes and sometimes 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.920 Jail said, hey man, I would have said some, but 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.760 Seth took up all the time. I just started laughing. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.000 But I love his personnelity that. I love the way 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.920 he takes the business approach to sports and making sure 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.520 it is the facts and then not tied to hype. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.560 Please welcome back to money making Conversation, Jay Williams, thank 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.199 you brother, having to again. Yeah, man, everyone's while I'm 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.439 I'll be laughing at you, j because Seth to be 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.880 just as they say, pontificating and if you even looking 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.920 at them like just just just give me full words, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.520 just allow me. You've got a certin account, you've got 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.560 a time frame in which you can you can do 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.720 your show in and there's nothing worse like people at home. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.920 I also don't understand that. You know, first off, we 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:20.880 got about four or five cameras, so they're telling you 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.199 what camera to talk into and your high feed which 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.560 is in your ear, and then it's like you know 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.200 when you hear account like, okay, we have a minute 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.360 to discuss this, and then they're like all right. By 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.040 the time the host and asked that the question, there's 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:33.880 about twenty seconds off the minute, so then you about 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.760 forty seconds. And when Seth takes thirty five seconds to 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.719 answer the damn question, be like, well, damn, they only 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.760 got five seconds to pontificate on something to make a 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:46.680 good point, and I just quit. So now love pound 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.559 into a five pound jar. And just like, you know what, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.640 how do we don't have enough time because you took 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.800 up thirty five seconds of the shot clock, Seth. That's 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.680 what I just say. Alive. Now that's where it is. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.079 You know something. I love it because of the fact 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.719 that is, you know, like I said, that's that's that's 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.199 part a stick. You know what I'm saying, and and 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.679 and it creates engagement TV for me because I know 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.840 what your styles are so uniquely different. And he said, 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.440 he loves to talk, and you love to deliver the facts. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.000 And you can delivery very as they say, very very 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.840 very very poignant and very in in a short amount 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.760 of a short, short amount of words. But let's let's try. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.240 I just want to mess with you about that because 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:24.920 I always laugh when I see that because of the 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.800 fact that I said, I gotta I gotta make you 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.719 laugh on that because I'll be checking you out. From 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.480 a producer, I knew exactly what going on in your ear, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.800 and I know it's a clock in your head. And 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.199 sometimes he said, hey, set tile up all the time. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.720 I see you all later. Just do it like that. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.920 Let's go onto the boardroom because this feels like this 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.280 is this is like they say, a perfect match, putting 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.360 a glove on your hand. It feels like a natural relationship. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.920 Tell us about the boardroom. There's on ESPN Plus platform, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:13:00.079 which is exclusive to ESPN. Yeah, it's behind which is 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.360 our direct to consumer model, which is is great. It's 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.840 what you're seeing Disney do. Is what you're seeing. Um. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.800 You know some other entities do as far as you 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.360 know they're programming, but it's um, I think you know. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.160 I've always been a fan of the Sports Business journal, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.280 you know, reading Front Up, the Sports, different things like that, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.679 and I really give a lot of credit to Rich 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.040 Climate on his vision on this because there's something I've 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.240 always thought on. I just didn't have the resources to 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.959 make it come to fruition, and which did through working 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.480 with Kevin is that you know, there is such a 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.960 cool thing listener. So and this is also too like 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.400 I grew I get a little bit deeper for one second. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.760 You know, I grew up in a predominantly African American 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.559 and Latin town, Okay, and where people have to go 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.360 through meddal detectors to go to high school. There are 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.080 a lot of gangs. My mom worked as a guidance 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.720 councilor at the local high school downa street. But I 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.640 went to a predominantly Caucasian school in the next town. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.480 Now my dad world going American Express worked there for 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.719 twenty years. My mind was a guidance councilor, you know, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.800 back to school, got multiple degrees, became a principal. So 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.240 education is always bring the primary focus of my family. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.199 But what happened to me when I was younger is 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.160 that you know, I would be at home, uh with 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.560 my friends, and I would be talking about something that 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.719 I read or something I learned in school, and I 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.000 would be called uncle Tom, I'll be called a sellout, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.640 I'll be called a white boy. But then when I 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.040 went to my school and I was athletic or I 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.920 addressed differently. I was called, you know, you're really black, 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.520 You're really hood, You're really get Oh No. I think 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.800 there was this identity crisis for me growing up, like 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.760 what is what? What does it mean to be black? 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.680 What does it mean to be white? And my associating 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.200 education with being white, or my associating style was being black. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.880 And I think now I've had a ton of different 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.640 experiences in my life where I'm like, you know what 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.600 I am, who I am, I am all those things 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.040 I am me like, but I am also a black man, right. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.880 I think it's important that we can show hey, look, yes, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.720 this might sound like a different vernacular that I'm speaking 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.240 what I in the boardroom, like a different language, but 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.800 the language that I think we all can learn because 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.320 I want to represent more us in the boardroom. I 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.920 can't tell you how many times I'm going into different 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.720 business meanings while I've spoken at different events where I'm 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.280 the own blackmail in the room and I hear people say, well, yes, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.480 you really are articulate. Well, how else hell am I 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.800 supposed to be? You know? So it's um. I think 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.480 this show now allows us to spread our wings in 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.760 that department and sit down with the likes of a 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.760 Damon John or sit down with people to understand, okay, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.280 like what was your blueprint? And ask those probing questions. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.880 It's not me saying hey, I don't know literally myselfs 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.920 Kevin and Rich asking all the questions that normal, everyday 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.120 people have. They try to spread that knowledge and also 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.240 tap into the culture, like you know, working with Steve 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.000 Style or sitting down with Jack Dorsey and understanding the 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.040 original intention of Twitter and how it came to be. 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.320 We just did want Michael Rubin, who is part owner 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.160 of the of the seventy six years, what does it 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.360 mean to be a minority owner? What does it mean 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.960 to have umbrella company? How many companies do you have 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.440 under how's it work with fanatics? It's fund of your 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.040 gross revenue. So I think, you know, just helping as 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.120 many people understand the terminology and how it works, like 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.400 that's our mission with this kind of contract. He really 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.720 is important to people understand. What he's saying is that, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.720 you know, I came from fill Ford, Inner City, and 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.280 uh and I battled with that all my life, you know, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.440 working at IBM, getting a degree in mathematics, and people 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.920 say things just they feel like being polite, they say 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.040 things like, uh, well you're different, are you? I expected 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.160 somebody else to walk in the room, and knowing that 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.840 you have to battle that, you know you have to 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.000 battle that, you have to battle the stereotype when you 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.480 know that you walked in there because you qualified. And 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.440 that's why I really enjoyed the show when I was 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.840 watching it, because that's what Lebron has to deal with. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.120 When that infamous Fox News Network reporters said just dribble 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.080 of basketball, like you know that, you know that's your job. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.000 Your job is not to have a social opinion. Your 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:57.920 job is just a dunk the ball when we tell 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.680 when we buy a ticket and turn on the TV. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.880 And that's what as African America or anybody a minority, 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.040 that anybody of color has to deal with that the 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.880 consequence of of of there's no credibility for your success 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.720 and when you reach it success, they don't feel this 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.440 long term, Well, let me tell you all that stereotype 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.080 is applicable to everything. Because I respond back to people 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.439 on social media this way where they say, well, you 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.120 know you're not qualified to speak on politics, I'm like, oh, 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.000 that's funny, because you're a janitor. And I just wanted 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.080 I looked at all your different you know, things that 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.840 you said, and your your protificate on politics, So who 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.200 is qualified to talk on politics? Like we're everyday people, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.480 like we don't have opinions. But I feel like those 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.440 things are just reactionary reports that people have because they 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.679 don't think with complexity. A lot of people love to 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.359 look at life is simply black and white, and my 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.280 thing is there's so much gray area that you have 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.959 to understand the complexities of who people are and how 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.920 they even gotten to that point. So you know, look, 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.040 we sat in the room with Lebron, James and Maverick 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.399 then hearing their story on season one about you know, 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.240 the first time they recognize is the business of basketball. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.520 Now you can say whatever you want to say, he's 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.440 getting paid too much money, but there's something amazing about 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.960 understanding your worth. You were talking about one of the 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.000 first high school games where they were piping in feeds 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.879 because the game was literally being televised out to the 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.760 world and the city literally lost power. And it was 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.000 the first time of Lebron and mask. So we have 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.520 something here, like all these people, all these TV trucks, 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.440 all these reporters, are here to see us. Why wouldn't 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.159 we leverage that if we have our position to be 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.119 that in the marketplace, And that's what we need more. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.879 We need more people who have incredible accounts to have 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.520 self empowerment and to understand with the right curriculum, with 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.159 the things that we're talking about, are the kind of 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.879 content that they're consuming to understand how do they leverage 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.560 their own position and create legacy for themselves. Imagine is 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.600 about the show The Boarder, which you can find on 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.399 ESPN Plus. Is exclusively found on ESPN's It's just the 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:56.919 scription you have to pay to get the show. It's 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.760 hosted by Jay Williams, who I'm talking to right now. Hey, Jake, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.800 what did you find when an interviewing these two dynamically 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.480 different personalities Kevin as as well as Lebron a little 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:12.160 bit more advanced in his entrepreneur Uh, I guess could 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.560 say scale, but Kevin is coming up fast? What did 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.080 you what? What did you? What did you game? From 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.439 this show? Personally? Can I tell your sign? You're the 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.159 first person to ever ask that question, and that is 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:27.560 a really great question. I think I saw two people 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.840 that were extremely powerful. I think one person in lb 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:38.040