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I managed to 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: catch a lot of them. He is a farmer, standout 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: point guard and is roundly considered one of the most 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: prolific college basketball players in history. Please work with the 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: money making conversations, Jay Williams, Sean, thanks for having me, man, 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate it being here. Well, J Like I said before, 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: they you know, like I said, uh, you know, meeting 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: you at a young age, I was way back. I 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: was early stage with Steve. Harve and I've started our partnership. 35 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: We're doing a radio show in Los Angeles, California, naty 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: two point three to beat and this a very gifted 37 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: young man with a lot of energy and a lot 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: of confidence. He was out there scheduled to perform in 39 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: the Magic Yance You do this charity classic called the 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Magic Classic, and he would invite the pros and you 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: invite these hot shot young athletes who about the end 42 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: of the pros and Mr Williams one of those hot shots, 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: and uh, my man, just watching the comeback you have 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: from the physical drama that came into your life and 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: being able to see you make an attempt to play 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: basketball again at that high professional level that you performed 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: that when you was in college to be the number 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: two pick in the draft. That's that's that's a series 49 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: of events that that allows me to say that you 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: do not allow, uh, setbacks to hold you back? Is 51 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: that correct? Well, there's no such thing as a setback. 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: In my opain, I think if you're lucky enough to 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: be here, everything that occurs is a growth opportunity. And uh, 54 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: I think it's taking me a couple of years to 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: get to that point where that was my mindset, But 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: now I look at everything with reason. So if something 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: that maybe weren't to go my way in life occurs, 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: I try to extract the lessons learn from that and 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: try to make that applicable to the next opportunity I have. 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's been one of the most fortunate 61 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: things that ever happened to me in my life. Because 62 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people talk about diversity are 63 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: they talk about how they would deal with but it's 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: not until you really go through it, until you have 65 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: to face it to truly recognize who am I? Who 66 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: am I without? What I do? What do I stand for? 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Unfortunately for a lot of people, 68 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: you spend so much time climbing the mountain in the 69 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: matrix of life because life will throw eight million things 70 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: at you, especially now with social media and you know, 71 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: what's going on with your job, and then trying to 72 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: have a family, and then trying to maintain friendships or 73 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: maintain you know, something with a loved one. You don't 74 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: spend any time self reflecting on you as a person 75 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: and what you've gone through and how you have decided 76 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: to extract, you know, lessons from those situations and how 77 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: you have learned. Are you making those lessons applicable to 78 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: where you want to go? Have you even thought about 79 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: putting together a blueprint on where you want to go? 80 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: And I've up into a lot of people that are 81 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: just constantly stagnant. They're just stuck in the same because 82 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: of the the cycle going around the same and I don't 83 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: falling into the same trap over and over again, whether 84 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: the trap has not caught you or not held you down. 85 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: And so that when I look at you on TV 86 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: now and I also see that that I don't think 87 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: you really want to be just a sports guy. If 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: that's the sense I get of you, I've seen you 89 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: in other platforms. What is what is the plan? What 90 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: is the game plan for Jay Weems? Well, I don't 91 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: know if I have a game plan. I've quickly seen 92 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: how how plans can be shifted. Uh when I met you, 93 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: you well really, because the last time I had to 94 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: plan was when I you know, it was like I'm 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: gonna be in the league for ten fifteen years that 96 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: plan work out. So I think there is a sense 97 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: of direction, there are some kind of internal compass that 98 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: can lead you in the direction. But ultimately I don't 99 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: have this, you know, specialized blueprint on how to answer 100 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: all the questions. I think it's a it's a matter 101 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: of moving and shaking as long as you're headed in 102 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: somewhat of your direction, your north star. But I think 103 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: for me right now, my mistar is how do I 104 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: have autonomy in my business? So I want to build 105 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: legacy that is important to you. Can I get that 106 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: legacy by being on TV and being a sports guy 107 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: and build out a pretty you know, fascinating and great career. 108 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: I think I've gotten to a pretty amazing point because 109 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: I potentially have my own show one day. Yeah. But 110 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, for me, I love business too, So I 111 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: love Hey, I have a holding company. How many subsidiaries 112 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: do I have under my holding company? How many businesses 113 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: can I own equity within that? I'm passionate about that. 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: I can lend a hand to lend me that run 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: on a day today basis um understanding your strength, senior weaknesses. 116 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: How do I surround myself with the right kind of teammates, 117 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: you know now doing stuff at the ball room and 118 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant a rich climate, you know, really digging deeper 119 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: into businesses, understanding how other people have approached their businesses 120 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: and how they scaled those entities themselves. So for me, 121 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I when I first got hurt, I 122 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: invested into an investing company called Leverage Agency, where we 123 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: procured sponsorships from major events around the country. Then I 124 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: started becoming really good friends of different cmos and different 125 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: C level executives and started doing more branding and marketing 126 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: and realize that you can move away from the traditional 127 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: agencies to now brands doing it in their own barantases. 128 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: So consulting with the thunder arms with the twenties for 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: our fitnesses, putting in the time to understand, you know, actually, 130 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: what is the work today, how much my intellect do 131 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: I need to put into a certain product. How can 132 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: we market that product? How do we go to a 133 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: different demo with that product? And I think all that 134 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: has leveraged itself to the point to where I'm that 135 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: now where it's like they doing that with the ball room. 136 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm getting involved in different investments. I have my own 137 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: company call destin you know ventures, where I do a 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: series of different investments and I work with other companies 139 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: from a branding perspective, and I'm slowly scaling that business 140 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: within itself. So you, as a perfect just gave you 141 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot there. I'm sorry, I kinda I ran well 142 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: when I get up, you do grad Now you that 143 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: the Greek played off somehow, Okay, you're constantly just driveling 144 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: on that court. Now some some play that big out there. 145 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: Now let me ask you this about that the whole 146 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: process of of being a talent and a sports talent, 147 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: and then with social media and everybody wants that that 148 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: that that sound bite. Now you you you put out 149 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: a sound bite very early in the college basketball season 150 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: about the Duke basketball team. You see that that Duke 151 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: basketball team could beat the Cleveland caval Leans. You remember that, 152 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: I do. Well, let me tell you about the interesting 153 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: thing about sound bite and the way media worked. So 154 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: a sound bite is when somebody clips off a portion 155 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: of what I said what I said so that you know, 156 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: in people will to kind of because we live in 157 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: the world now we're song where people just read headline 158 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: no longer reade click bait. So for me, what I 159 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: had said is, at that time, you know, Kevin Love 160 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: was out, Um, they had about four or five of 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: their players who all played significant minutes were out. They 162 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: were due to injuries. So I was talking about a 163 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: lot of their bench players and I said, currently, with 164 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: the makeup of this roster team to meet this Cleveland 165 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Cavalier's team. People then took that sound bite and they 166 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: transfixed that into Jay said, who can be the Cleveland 167 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 1: Cavaliers And like that's not what I said, but once again, 168 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, understanding the reality of my product of the 169 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: field I work in. Man, It's like people will choose 170 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: to listen to what they want to hear, right, So 171 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: you can try to practice something by saying that the 172 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: right way or by giving me more context is something, 173 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: But inevitably, sound bites are things that travel across the 174 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: social media medium and that's how people listen to. So 175 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: that's just how the industry works these days, apparently. And 176 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: I guess, and I guess that's important that you understand that, 177 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: accept the fact that you have to almost make sure 178 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: you your complete sentence is complete, and so they clip 179 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: you like that. It's not actually take the reverse opposite approach, 180 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: I said, And I say it with conviction because I 181 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: didn't think regardless of where the media decides to spin it, 182 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: that opens up a door for me to go on 183 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: other platforms and continue to explain the narrative that I 184 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: explained the first time. And I but I think that's 185 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: a great lesson for a lot of younger people to 186 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: listen to because right now you can see the way 187 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: a lot of media companies are trying to get as 188 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: far as it relates to clickbait, you know, like I 189 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: want you to click that minute. I get you a 190 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: percent of revenue every time you click on my headline. 191 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: So when you see a crazy headline, I understand like, 192 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: or is there a context to that? Because sometimes we 193 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: click on it's only a story that we thought we 194 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: were going to be reading about, right right, So I 195 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: think there's all these nuances of business. Sometimes the normal person, 196 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: like I said, we're so wrapped up into calming and 197 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: this mountain within the matrix of life, like you don't 198 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: have time to understand the context. So it's just something 199 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: that people don't understand. We're gonna take a break and 200 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: come right back as I gotta get him out of here, 201 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about the Ballroom. That's why I 202 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: brought him on. The show is something that gave I 203 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: watch it. I do have ESPN Plus. It's a subscription 204 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: base through the ESPN company because Disney owns everything now 205 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: and if you not part of the big Disney Mouse, 206 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: the mouse is running things and I'm happy to be 207 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: a part of that with my subscription that I pay 208 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: to watch great shows like The Ballroom. Be back with 209 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: more with my man Jay Williams. My next guest. Uh, 210 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, I see him on with my man Seth. 211 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: You know Seth on the on the on the on 212 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: the college basketball game day show, and Saith just be 213 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: talking and talking. Won't let him talk sometimes and sometimes 214 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: Jail said, hey man, I would have said some, but 215 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: Seth took up all the time. I just started laughing. 216 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: But I love his personnelity that. I love the way 217 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: he takes the business approach to sports and making sure 218 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: it is the facts and then not tied to hype. 219 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: Please welcome back to money making Conversation, Jay Williams, thank 220 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: you brother, having to again. Yeah, man, everyone's while I'm 221 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: I'll be laughing at you, j because Seth to be 222 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: just as they say, pontificating and if you even looking 223 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: at them like just just just give me full words, 224 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: just allow me. You've got a certin account, you've got 225 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: a time frame in which you can you can do 226 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: your show in and there's nothing worse like people at home. 227 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: I also don't understand that. You know, first off, we 228 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: got about four or five cameras, so they're telling you 229 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: what camera to talk into and your high feed which 230 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: is in your ear, and then it's like you know 231 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: when you hear account like, okay, we have a minute 232 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: to discuss this, and then they're like all right. By 233 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: the time the host and asked that the question, there's 234 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: about twenty seconds off the minute, so then you about 235 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: forty seconds. And when Seth takes thirty five seconds to 236 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: answer the damn question, be like, well, damn, they only 237 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: got five seconds to pontificate on something to make a 238 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: good point, and I just quit. So now love pound 239 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: into a five pound jar. And just like, you know what, 240 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: how do we don't have enough time because you took 241 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: up thirty five seconds of the shot clock, Seth. That's 242 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: what I just say. Alive. Now that's where it is. 243 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: You know something. I love it because of the fact 244 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: that is, you know, like I said, that's that's that's 245 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: part a stick. You know what I'm saying, and and 246 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: and it creates engagement TV for me because I know 247 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: what your styles are so uniquely different. And he said, 248 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: he loves to talk, and you love to deliver the facts. 249 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: And you can delivery very as they say, very very 250 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: very very poignant and very in in a short amount 251 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: of a short, short amount of words. But let's let's try. 252 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: I just want to mess with you about that because 253 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: I always laugh when I see that because of the 254 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: fact that I said, I gotta I gotta make you 255 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: laugh on that because I'll be checking you out. From 256 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: a producer, I knew exactly what going on in your ear, 257 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: and I know it's a clock in your head. And 258 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: sometimes he said, hey, set tile up all the time. 259 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: I see you all later. Just do it like that. 260 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: Let's go onto the boardroom because this feels like this 261 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: is this is like they say, a perfect match, putting 262 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: a glove on your hand. It feels like a natural relationship. 263 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: Tell us about the boardroom. There's on ESPN Plus platform, 264 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: which is exclusive to ESPN. Yeah, it's behind which is 265 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: our direct to consumer model, which is is great. It's 266 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: what you're seeing Disney do. Is what you're seeing. Um. 267 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: You know some other entities do as far as you 268 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: know they're programming, but it's um, I think you know. 269 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of the Sports Business journal, 270 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, reading Front Up, the Sports, different things like that, 271 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: and I really give a lot of credit to Rich 272 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: Climate on his vision on this because there's something I've 273 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: always thought on. I just didn't have the resources to 274 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: make it come to fruition, and which did through working 275 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: with Kevin is that you know, there is such a 276 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: cool thing listener. So and this is also too like 277 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: I grew I get a little bit deeper for one second. 278 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in a predominantly African American 279 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: and Latin town, Okay, and where people have to go 280 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: through meddal detectors to go to high school. There are 281 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: a lot of gangs. My mom worked as a guidance 282 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: councilor at the local high school downa street. But I 283 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: went to a predominantly Caucasian school in the next town. 284 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: Now my dad world going American Express worked there for 285 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: twenty years. My mind was a guidance councilor, you know, 286 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: back to school, got multiple degrees, became a principal. So 287 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: education is always bring the primary focus of my family. 288 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: But what happened to me when I was younger is 289 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: that you know, I would be at home, uh with 290 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: my friends, and I would be talking about something that 291 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: I read or something I learned in school, and I 292 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: would be called uncle Tom, I'll be called a sellout, 293 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: I'll be called a white boy. But then when I 294 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: went to my school and I was athletic or I 295 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: addressed differently. I was called, you know, you're really black, 296 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: You're really hood, You're really get Oh No. I think 297 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: there was this identity crisis for me growing up, like 298 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: what is what? What does it mean to be black? 299 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: What does it mean to be white? And my associating 300 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: education with being white, or my associating style was being black. 301 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: And I think now I've had a ton of different 302 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: experiences in my life where I'm like, you know what 303 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: I am, who I am, I am all those things 304 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: I am me like, but I am also a black man, right. 305 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: I think it's important that we can show hey, look, yes, 306 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: this might sound like a different vernacular that I'm speaking 307 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: what I in the boardroom, like a different language, but 308 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: the language that I think we all can learn because 309 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: I want to represent more us in the boardroom. I 310 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times I'm going into different 311 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: business meanings while I've spoken at different events where I'm 312 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: the own blackmail in the room and I hear people say, well, yes, 313 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: you really are articulate. Well, how else hell am I 314 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be? You know? So it's um. I think 315 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: this show now allows us to spread our wings in 316 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: that department and sit down with the likes of a 317 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: Damon John or sit down with people to understand, okay, 318 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: like what was your blueprint? And ask those probing questions. 319 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: It's not me saying hey, I don't know literally myselfs 320 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Kevin and Rich asking all the questions that normal, everyday 321 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: people have. They try to spread that knowledge and also 322 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: tap into the culture, like you know, working with Steve 323 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Style or sitting down with Jack Dorsey and understanding the 324 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: original intention of Twitter and how it came to be. 325 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: We just did want Michael Rubin, who is part owner 326 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: of the of the seventy six years, what does it 327 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: mean to be a minority owner? What does it mean 328 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: to have umbrella company? How many companies do you have 329 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: under how's it work with fanatics? It's fund of your 330 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: gross revenue. So I think, you know, just helping as 331 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: many people understand the terminology and how it works, like 332 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: that's our mission with this kind of contract. He really 333 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: is important to people understand. What he's saying is that, 334 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, I came from fill Ford, Inner City, and 335 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: uh and I battled with that all my life, you know, 336 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: working at IBM, getting a degree in mathematics, and people 337 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: say things just they feel like being polite, they say 338 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: things like, uh, well you're different, are you? I expected 339 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: somebody else to walk in the room, and knowing that 340 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: you have to battle that, you know you have to 341 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: battle that, you have to battle the stereotype when you 342 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: know that you walked in there because you qualified. And 343 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: that's why I really enjoyed the show when I was 344 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: watching it, because that's what Lebron has to deal with. 345 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: When that infamous Fox News Network reporters said just dribble 346 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: of basketball, like you know that, you know that's your job. 347 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: Your job is not to have a social opinion. Your 348 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: job is just a dunk the ball when we tell 349 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: when we buy a ticket and turn on the TV. 350 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: And that's what as African America or anybody a minority, 351 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: that anybody of color has to deal with that the 352 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: consequence of of of there's no credibility for your success 353 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: and when you reach it success, they don't feel this 354 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: long term, Well, let me tell you all that stereotype 355 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: is applicable to everything. Because I respond back to people 356 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: on social media this way where they say, well, you 357 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: know you're not qualified to speak on politics, I'm like, oh, 358 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: that's funny, because you're a janitor. And I just wanted 359 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: I looked at all your different you know, things that 360 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: you said, and your your protificate on politics, So who 361 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: is qualified to talk on politics? Like we're everyday people, 362 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: like we don't have opinions. But I feel like those 363 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: things are just reactionary reports that people have because they 364 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: don't think with complexity. A lot of people love to 365 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: look at life is simply black and white, and my 366 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: thing is there's so much gray area that you have 367 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: to understand the complexities of who people are and how 368 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: they even gotten to that point. So you know, look, 369 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: we sat in the room with Lebron, James and Maverick 370 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: then hearing their story on season one about you know, 371 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: the first time they recognize is the business of basketball. 372 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: Now you can say whatever you want to say, he's 373 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: getting paid too much money, but there's something amazing about 374 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: understanding your worth. You were talking about one of the 375 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: first high school games where they were piping in feeds 376 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: because the game was literally being televised out to the 377 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: world and the city literally lost power. And it was 378 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the first time of Lebron and mask. So we have 379 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: something here, like all these people, all these TV trucks, 380 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: all these reporters, are here to see us. Why wouldn't 381 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: we leverage that if we have our position to be 382 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: that in the marketplace, And that's what we need more. 383 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: We need more people who have incredible accounts to have 384 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: self empowerment and to understand with the right curriculum, with 385 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: the things that we're talking about, are the kind of 386 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: content that they're consuming to understand how do they leverage 387 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: their own position and create legacy for themselves. Imagine is 388 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: about the show The Boarder, which you can find on 389 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: ESPN Plus. Is exclusively found on ESPN's It's just the 390 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: scription you have to pay to get the show. It's 391 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: hosted by Jay Williams, who I'm talking to right now. Hey, Jake, 392 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: what did you find when an interviewing these two dynamically 393 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: different personalities Kevin as as well as Lebron a little 394 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: bit more advanced in his entrepreneur Uh, I guess could 395 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: say scale, but Kevin is coming up fast? What did 396 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: you what? What did you? What did you game? From 397 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: this show? Personally? Can I tell your sign? You're the 398 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: first person to ever ask that question, and that is 399 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: a really great question. I think I saw two people 400 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: that were extremely powerful. I think one person in lb 401 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: J has been afforded more experiences because of how he 402 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: came into the game, or as I think that Kevin 403 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: has been a great basketball player, there's been a lot 404 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: of focus just on basketball, whereas recently, over the last 405 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: couple of years, I think Kevin has really started to 406 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: branch out because there's also comes with the maturity and 407 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: acceptance of who you are. I think Katie's going through 408 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: that process where he's now in a different place, but 409 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: it was it was all from a place of loom. 410 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that when they s feet across 411 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: the line, they don't compete to be the best, because 412 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: they both want to be the best. But this came 413 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: from something that reminds me of what jay Z says. 414 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: So jay Z actually came to New York and he 415 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: did a concert last weekend, and uh, I'm gonna send 416 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: you the Clipper Shod because it's great. It talks about 417 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: he's talking about, you know, as being a African American 418 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: male or person that you know the government talks about 419 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: gentrifying and we're gonna teenify our own hood and you 420 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: know how sometimes people have treated us like we're crabs 421 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: at the end of at the bottom of the barrel 422 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: and the cow. First of our place is not at 423 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: the bottom of the barrel. And secondly, we can climb 424 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: on top of each other to pull each other out. 425 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: And I felt that with this conversation, I felt it 426 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: it was more like a sharing of how we both 427 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: did it and both people studying each other to build 428 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: something different. And if that's what you're able to pull 429 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: out of the conversation, then I did my job, because 430 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: that's what it's about. It's about teaching our youth and 431 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: teaching others how they can pull themselves out of the situation. 432 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: My man, I want to thank you, man. 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