WEBVTT - Group Therapy Meets World Part 2 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.680 We've been doing a lot of traveling, as you guys know, 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:25.880 for the Podnits World Life shows, and every time we 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.200 come home, having both of us be gone for long 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.760 periods of time four to five days, multiple times a month, 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.000 or at least once a month, has been really difficult 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.279 on the kids. And so we're actually switching that up 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.360 and he's not no longer going to be traveling with me. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.760 But this last time that we were gone, it always 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.760 takes the kids a few days to reacclimate to us 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.320 both being home, and sometimes that means there's a little 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.440 more acting out than there usually is when we've been 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:52.080 home for a while. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.680 I have no idea what you're talking about. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.319 No, I'm sure you can relate at all. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.640 I don't get ignored and yelled at for three days now. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.240 Yeah, it's hard for kids and they don't know how 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.640 to process all the big emotions. So we came home 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.200 on a Saturday morning, and Adler and Keaton were both sick, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.640 and so they weren't feeling well, so I. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:11.759 Took him to urgent care. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.280 And Saturday was a rough day, and Sunday was a 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.479 rough day, and Monday was a rough day. And normally 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.360 Adler would have gone to school, but again he was sick, 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.479 so he stayed home. He had a doctor's appointment, all 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:27.440 the stuff, And I was at peak patience for Saturday 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:32.160 and Sunday, and then by Monday my patients had really 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.560 started to wane. And by Monday night, when Adler had 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:41.360 a complete meltdown over refusing to share a bike like 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.240 a like a little toddler bike that's not even his, 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:45.400 it's his brothers. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.279 I lost it. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.440 And in a not very proud mom moment that I 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:56.440 know a lot of people can relate to, I just 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.840 exploded and I was like Adler and I yelled at 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:02.200 it and grabbed him by the arm and we walked down. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.480 Made it to day three. I have to say I 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.800 last usually maybe minute three. No, I lasted like three 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.800 hours before I'm like, Indie, come on, yeah, and I 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:12.680 don't do your game. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.160 Oh it sucks because you know in the moment while 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.480 you're doing it that like this isn't what they need, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.120 but you are just maxed out, and especially at the 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.040 end of the night where you are have been overstimulated 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.760 all day and are also exhausted, and you're you're just 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:28.639 on fumes. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:29.800 Anyway, I lost it. 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.400 And I put him into his room and I put 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:32.880 him on a time out and left him alone, even 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.320 though I know that I'm not supposed to do any. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:34.800 Of those things. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.560 And I said, I'll come and talk to you when 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.840 we both calmed down. And he settled down and I 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.640 calmed myself down, and after about four or five minutes, 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.359 I went into Adler's room and I opened the door 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.440 and he was sitting there on his little chair, and 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.280 I said, would you like to talk about what happened? 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.560 And he said, yes, you don't know how to control 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:56.480 your emotions? 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.440 Yes, and I smart, kid smart? 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:07.040 I was like, oh, my insides and I instantly felt triggered, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.880 like this kid's disrespecting me all those things that are just, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.280 you know, somewhere from some sort of childhood stuff of 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.040 your own. And I went, I don't know how to 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.919 control my emotions. And as I'm saying it out loud, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.360 I'm realizing you can't lie like it's. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.840 True and you're literally not controlling your emotions. Why you're 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:27.920 saying this to do that? 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.680 And I'm and I go, I don't know how to 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:37.200 do it. You're right, No, you're you're You're absolutely right. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.320 I don't it's very hard for me to regulate myself. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.480 And I totally exploded and I was like, but before 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.400 we talk about me, let's let's just talk about you 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:47.920 for a minute. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.320 And he was like okay, And so then we were able. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.640 To talk about him, yeah, and and him not him 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.080 not being a good listener and those things, and then 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.600 I said, would you like to talk about me now? 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.640 And he said yes, and he said it really hurts 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.600 my feelings when you scream at me. I said, for him, yes, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.800 I hear that, and I'm sorry. Mommy is not perfect. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.640 Mommy makes mistakes. Just like you're learning how to control 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.680 your big emotions. I don't have control over my big emotions. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.520 And anyway, it ended up being a really great little 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.159 bonding experience. We hugged and I said, let's have a 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.920 better day tomorrow, and then we did, and we talked 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.960 about it the next day too, about how we had 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:24.160 both had a much better day. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.839 Yeah, you're constantly processing together like that, Like reprocessing is 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.480 so important, Like that's sort of like let's talk about 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.120 what happened yesterday, or let's go over Like I've realized 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.200 those are it's so productive, you know, And I feel 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.800 like previous generations of parents never did that. It was 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.159 like you had an experience, you got it out, you 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.120 had your emotional encounter or whatever, and then you like 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.200 slam doors and never talk about it, you know, and 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.360 like it's so important to like, let's tell the story 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.440 of what happened, and like let's agree on that story 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.600 because of course, like you know, it's unpacking, right, it's 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.800 what this podcast is all about. Like, but if you 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.719 do it more close to the actual experience, you're like 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.960 you're olding a relationship together. But by building memories, you're like, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.599 what happened there, I did this, and you did that, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.720 and then we said this, and we can agree that 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.720 this is what was happening and what should happen next time. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.880 You know. That's that's so powerful, it's so great. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.039 Man's a good step. 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:17.120 That's the good stuff. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.479 Well, when's the last time you yelled at Lexi? 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.200 Who your step step? I don't yell at Lexie. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:25.640 She would. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.080 Yeah, she's a tiny, tiny girl that they call the 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.880 velvet hammer at work. So nobody messes with Lexi. Yeah 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.000 I Lexi. Lexi's parents took care of her a lot better. 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:36.880 I get to be the friend, which is good. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.120 So yeah, that is true. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.000 You get to be like you don't even you probably 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.560 don't even feel like a step dad because like she, 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.760 she was an adult. Basically by the time you came 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.360 into her life, there wasn't really much daddying to do. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.440 Well, No, I didn't daddy. I mean the first when 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.520 when Sue and I started dating, originally Lexi was eleven, okay, 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.000 but then but then we just stayed friends after that. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.239 So yeah, when when Sue and I got back together, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.880 Lexi was like nineteen or twenty, So yeah, it was 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.920 we were we were good. I mean, and she and 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.599 I I've always gotten along. But no, I yeah, I'm 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.000 her stepdad, but she has two parents that that raised 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.040 her and took care of her. So yeah, I'm just 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.560 I'm that's my my role. It's like I'm the fun 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.560 uncle for everybody. That's all I've ever wanted to be. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.400 So you're a great funkle. 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.719 I am a great funkle and I have a great dog. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.120 And when I'm bonding with my dogs, it like, hey, 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.720 do you want to talk about what just happened my slipper? 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:25.800 Do you want to talk about it? 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:26.880 We should we talk about this? 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.159 You're pulling a little bit on the leash. We've talked 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.880 about this and maybe Bean the word. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.479 Funkle that just makes me uncomfortable. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.920 Really, how about how about knuckle funkle. How about the 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.760 flapp clap knuckle funkle few mouth. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.320 Flap knuckle funkle. One more time, I'm gonna lose my susiness. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.520 Maybe that's what Lindsey said. I'm the episode where she bleeped. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.719 Maybe she said lip flap. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:47.800 Flapple funknckle funkle. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.159 Oh my god, wow. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.120 I don't know what a knuckle funkle is, but I 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.560 a want to get one, have one done to me, 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:56.880 and I also want to do one to someone else. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.240 Come on, dirty, let's figure out what it is. Let's 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:07.040 knuckle funkle. It's one of those things that just sounds wrong. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.600 You know what it sounds like. Do you know there 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.760 was like those little finger traps. Yes, yes, that's what 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.600 I would call that a knuckle funkle. It's a knuckleunkle. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.840 It gets no, I'm knuckle knuckleunkle. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.280 And then he could use it as a metaphor for 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.880 like we really got into it. We got to do 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.000 an argument that was a real, a real Knucklenk. You 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.080 stuck your finger and I stuck my finger and it 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.760 couldn't pull out. We were both like it was a 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.320 real knucklefunk. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.480 There are so many that's what That's what she said 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.000 in this conversation. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.239 My gosh, welcome to Pod meets knuckle Funkle. 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.480 I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or strong, and I'm will 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:43.680 mouth flap for Dell. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:56.000 So. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.520 An experiment that went right from the last season of 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:00.920 Pod Meets World is that. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.240 We did something we jokingly threw. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.680 Out as an idea once one of us said somewhere 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.160 along the way, we are doing so much unpacking on 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.200 this podcast, we should go to group therapy. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:11.880 And then we did. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:17.280 We invited and technically hired Kira Muscarra a licensed clinical 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.040 social worker and therapist who has a specialty in the 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.480 well being of actors. She holds a BFA in acting 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.440 from nyused Tish School of the Arts. But then she 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.080 did the smart thing and she went to Columbia University 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.480 for a Master of Science in Social Work. She now 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.200 has her own private practice providing psychotherapy and she partakes 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.960 in speaking engagements in the field of mental health awareness. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.880 But here on podmeets World. She will sit with us 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.920 and talk about the things she's heard during the last 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.679 fifty or so podcast episodes. As we tackled season three, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.880 I'm sure we raised a few red flags and worth 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.960 noting we know absolutely nothing about what she will ask, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:01.000 So for a second office visit, please welcome therapist Kira 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.280 Muscara back to the podcast. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.640 Hey guy, Hello, good to see you again. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:08.280 Nice. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.439 I just got anxious, I just got. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:14.240 Negative association. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.560 Now, No, not at all. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.439 We loved having you last time. 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:19.679 It. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.559 Even though Will got anxious and nervous, he ended up 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.880 loving the episode and all of us felt the same 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.080 way and just wishing we had given you more of 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:29.880 an opportunity. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:30.959 We didn't shut up. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.000 We never shut up, and you get us in front 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:34.720 of a therapist and we can't stop talking. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.040 Yeah, I love it. No, I'm so glad to hear 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:38.599 that everyone felt good about it. That was kind of 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.480 how I wanted to start, was going a temperature check 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.720 on how everyone was feeling doing this the second time. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.440 Yes, oh, dare you ask me that? 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.840 I am out out. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.720 We are going to let you ask more of the questions, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.040 but before we jump in, I did want to ask 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.360 just one thing. Let's say you have known someone for 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.679 over thirty years, one of your best friends in the 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.880 entire world, and then you find out that they have 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.440 been hiding the fact that they had a childhood pony. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.400 Could you ever trust that person again? 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.920 How do you look them in the eye and share 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.560 your own feelings when you know they've been hiding such 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:16.920 important things from their past. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.880 Yeah, that actually comes up quite a bit with my clients. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.040 That's actually one of my specialties of people who hide 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.360 childhood ponies from their friends. You know, we could definitely 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:32.720 talk more about that, But syndrome RS you have to 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:37.400 say a little more concerning. When somebody has a child's rat, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.679 that always a flag for. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.320 Me, even when it's Joey the Rat. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.880 Yeah, when it's named after a boy World character, you know, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.640 there could be something more there we could explore. Maybe 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.760 as a New Yorker, it's hard for me to get behind. 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:57.640 I understand, I promise you. Joey the Rat was nothing 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.000 like the New York Subway the world. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.720 Knowing that Topanga was a rat girl is pretty revelatory. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.240 That's yeah, it really adds a new layer. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.719 Whereas rider Strong riding a pony doesn't that kind of 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.920 make sense. So I kind of always imagine that I 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.600 was on a ranch somewhere with a horse. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:19.679 You know how it ends? 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:21.880 How am I the normal one? How am I the 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.920 normal one of the Again, by the way, uh, painful 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.760 use of the word normal. Let's just throw down, so 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.280 we should take that off the table. A Connecticut guy. Okay. 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.160 So I brought up this whole pony thing with my 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.240 parents because I'm here, and they were like, well, yeah, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.800 Susie was gone by the time you started boy meets Work. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.760 So I didn't realize. I thought we had her all 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.199 the way through, like up until my teens, but no, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.080 like she had died when I was like eleven or twelve. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.080 So okay, So to be fair, you would have been 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.640 talking to us about a pony from the past, yea, okay. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.560 That as opposed to a present or future pony. 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.640 Right, pony that's always in the cards for you writers. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.160 I could get a pony right now, right, that's true 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.240 any one of us right now. You don't know, you 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.880 don't see it from the way I'm standing on a pony. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:12.560 Kira. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.520 Okay, you have been listening. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.880 To season three and all of our interviews. What questions 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.000 do you have for us. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.559 I've got a whole list here, I'm ready, so probably 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.320 gonna jump around a little bit, but I wanted to start, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.000 just like I said, temperature check and see if our 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.040 call kind of brought any new insights or a new 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.360 lens or perspective that you were watching these new episodes through. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.520 I mean, I definitely tapped into the idea after our 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.600 our call with you, I definitely tapped into the idea 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:48.600 of that little Danielle inside of me and remembering that 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.520 little Danielle on set and and the good, the highs 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.480 and the lows, and it really like I feel very 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.840 much in tune with like, oh yeah, that little that 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.240 little person is still definitely in and I still operate 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.320 from her in a lot of ways. So that definitely 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.480 resonated and it really sunk in in our call. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.080 That's awesome. Well, that actually was going to be one 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.760 of my questions with checking in with you and seeing 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.840 like have you gotten more in touch with little Danielle? 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.240 And it sounds like there has been some more connection there. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:16.880 I have. 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.520 I've been much more in touch with her and it's 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.440 helped me for sure in my parenting, which is the 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.160 best thing that could have ever come from. It is, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:29.760 aside from healing my own like past traumas or experiences 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.760 and like being in touch with them. It has helped 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.600 me parent my oldest son, especially because I see a 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.400 lot of similarities in Adler and the way Adler feels 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.760 about things and his perfectionism, and it's helped me. Like, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.760 he's still four, so I have a lot of room 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.880 to make corrections so that he doesn't kind of make 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.320 the same mistakes I do with perfectionism. And so it's 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.520 really it's been very helpful in my current life, which 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:56.880 I love. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.320 Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. That's fantastic. Yeah, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:01.839 And I guess I was going to ask as well, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.760 maybe a silly question. Has touring and kind of getting 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.640 more in touch with the fans in person and just 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.000 the experience of the live shows has that influenced the 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.240 perspective on doing the podcast as well. 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.600 I know for me it's helped me realize that our 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.560 listeners are not an abstraction, right, that our listeners are 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:24.160 real people, and that sense of community is palpable. It's 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.840 you know, it's made literal when we do the tour, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:32.000 and that's been really helpful. I think mostly in making 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.280 me aware of that when we're harsh about the show, 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.120 when we have criticisms of the show, to just make 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.480 sure that we're also balancing that, like, because I feel 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.280 like sometimes, you know, when we first started doing the podcast, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.280 and I felt like I was very effusive on how 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.280 like I liked the show, and then I just sort 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.040 of now, I just take it for granted that like, oh, well, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:52.560 I love Boy Meets World. Like I think Boy Meets 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.800 World is a fantastic show. So when we're criticizing a 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.040 specific episode or whatever, but to hear from fans like 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.200 you guys are really harsh on your or harsh on 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.360 the show, I realize like, oh, I need to maybe 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.880 make more of an effort to reiterate like I do 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.760 like so much of what's happening on camera, and I 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.200 am very proud of so many things because they're you know, 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.040 listeners are real people with real feelings out there who 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.080 are kind of like I like this episode or I 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.800 like this show. So just realizing like, oh, it's it's 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.880 a community that I'm kind of somewhat responsible or you know, 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.960 it's like it's part I'm part of this community. It's 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.200 not just me talking into a microphone with these two. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.240 You know, it's like we're part of a whole group 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.840 and that's a fun that's that's a great thing because 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.440 it's been a great journey to. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.920 Share, absolutely and then part of that larger community. That's 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.600 kind of rolling into my next question is there's definitely 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.520 a large community of former child actors who I think 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.600 there seems to be, and you guys are part of it. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.160 A huge movement in the past few years of child 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.280 actors or former child actors coming forward and speaking about 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.800 their experience, both positive and negative, kind of the good 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.760 and the bad of it, really being very verbal and 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.320 vocal about that with with fans, and you obviously are 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.600 part of that with your podcast, and I know there's 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.320 been a lot of collaboration with other former child actors 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.560 like Jody Sweeten and the Full House Girls and you know, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.040 Saved by the Belcast on the whole. Do you find 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.920 that that community is really hungry for those conversations and 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.920 receptive to speaking about the good and the bad or 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.520 have you found, you know, without naming names, have you 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.480 found pushback from anyone in the community kind of wanting 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.920 to maintain that image and not break down that fourth wall. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.280 I don't think I mean ill. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.640 I can say even just for Will Will had and 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:45.720 so did I, we all had overall an overwhelmingly positive 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.520 experience on the scale of like how you what kind 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.640 of experience could you. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.560 Have as a child actor? 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.720 Ours fall on the side of like very few horrible times, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.440 tons and tons and tons of amazing, wonderful times, and 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:06.480 yet it's still a nuanced Childhood is hard. Childhood is 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.840 just hard, no matter who you are. And then adding 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.040 fame and recognizability and money and being away from your 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.800 family and all of the other things that just go 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.120 along with it, it has its own set of challenges. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.480 And I think the one thing I would say I 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.200 have felt, and it's not pushback on, but the one 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:23.760 thing I would say I feel from a lot of 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:29.080 people is a fear of sounding like they are ungrateful 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.800 for the opportunity or the success that they have had, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.679 or a fear that by talking about some of the 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.040 more the less than positive experiences, it's going to make 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.320 people think that all actors who were children had bad 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.920 experiences or bad childhoods. And so there's still a bit 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:52.480 of fear about how can I be honest and say yes, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.480 this may have negatively impacted me without the takeaway being 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.640 being a child actor is awful no matter who you are, 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.680 and that I think has been like from a lot 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.840 of people of like finding how do I talk about 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.520 this in a way that is both honest and still 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.280 also highlighting that it wasn't all bad? 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.240 Yeah, because I can imagine there is a pressure from 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.720 the audience. They want to hear that authentic story. But 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.240 there's a line you have to toe of, like you said, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.800 not sounding ungrateful, you know, making sure that you highlight 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.600 all the good with the bad. But like you said, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.080 it's you're not just talking about when you're thrilled. You're 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.080 talking about your childhood. And I think if you ask 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.440 anybody how is your childhood, it's not going to be 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:34.920 all good. 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.120 That's just how life is exactly. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:42.040 Yes, interesting, Well, yeah, I kind of wanted to get 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.520 more into you know, we've been talking in the last episode. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.800 We talked a lot about looking at memories and through 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.639 a child's lens. Now we're turning more into an adolescence lens, 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.960 which can be a little bit more dramatic, a little 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.000 bit more heightened, a little bit more rigid. Has the 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.760 viewing of the episodes and the memories that are coming up, 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.320 Have you noticed any difference between them versus the earlier episodes? 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:06.920 What about you will? 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:13.600 No, you know, again, I was seventeen to twenty four. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.840 It's a much different time than starting at eleven or twelve, 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.520 So no, I think, you know, while I certainly grew 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.600 as a person and continue to do so, my young 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.480 adolescent years were still on camera, but not on Boy 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:28.880 Mets World. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:30.600 So I'm not really watching, you know. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.520 If we went back and watched Don't just sit there 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.080 or something I did when I was eleven or twelve, 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:35.760