Speaker 1: We've been doing a lot of traveling, as you guys know,
Speaker 1: for the Podnits World Life shows, and every time we
Speaker 1: come home, having both of us be gone for long
Speaker 1: periods of time four to five days, multiple times a month,
Speaker 1: or at least once a month, has been really difficult
Speaker 1: on the kids. And so we're actually switching that up
Speaker 1: and he's not no longer going to be traveling with me.
Speaker 1: But this last time that we were gone, it always
Speaker 1: takes the kids a few days to reacclimate to us
Speaker 1: both being home, and sometimes that means there's a little
Speaker 1: more acting out than there usually is when we've been
Speaker 1: home for a while.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure you can relate at all.
Speaker 2: I don't get ignored and yelled at for three days now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard for kids and they don't know how
Speaker 1: to process all the big emotions. So we came home
Speaker 1: on a Saturday morning, and Adler and Keaton were both sick,
Speaker 1: and so they weren't feeling well, so I.
Speaker 3: Took him to urgent care.
Speaker 1: And Saturday was a rough day, and Sunday was a
Speaker 1: rough day, and Monday was a rough day. And normally
Speaker 1: Adler would have gone to school, but again he was sick,
Speaker 1: so he stayed home. He had a doctor's appointment, all
Speaker 1: the stuff, And I was at peak patience for Saturday
Speaker 1: and Sunday, and then by Monday my patients had really
Speaker 1: started to wane. And by Monday night, when Adler had
Speaker 1: a complete meltdown over refusing to share a bike like
Speaker 1: a like a little toddler bike that's not even his,
Speaker 1: it's his brothers.
Speaker 3: I lost it.
Speaker 1: And in a not very proud mom moment that I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people can relate to, I just
Speaker 1: exploded and I was like Adler and I yelled at
Speaker 1: it and grabbed him by the arm and we walked down.
Speaker 2: Made it to day three. I have to say I
Speaker 2: last usually maybe minute three. No, I lasted like three
Speaker 2: hours before I'm like, Indie, come on, yeah, and I
Speaker 2: don't do your game.
Speaker 1: Oh it sucks because you know in the moment while
Speaker 1: you're doing it that like this isn't what they need,
Speaker 1: but you are just maxed out, and especially at the
Speaker 1: end of the night where you are have been overstimulated
Speaker 1: all day and are also exhausted, and you're you're just
Speaker 1: on fumes.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I lost it.
Speaker 1: And I put him into his room and I put
Speaker 1: him on a time out and left him alone, even
Speaker 1: though I know that I'm not supposed to do any.
Speaker 3: Of those things.
Speaker 1: And I said, I'll come and talk to you when
Speaker 1: we both calmed down. And he settled down and I
Speaker 1: calmed myself down, and after about four or five minutes,
Speaker 1: I went into Adler's room and I opened the door
Speaker 1: and he was sitting there on his little chair, and
Speaker 1: I said, would you like to talk about what happened?
Speaker 1: And he said, yes, you don't know how to control
Speaker 1: your emotions?
Speaker 2: Yes, and I smart, kid smart?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my insides and I instantly felt triggered,
Speaker 1: like this kid's disrespecting me all those things that are just,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere from some sort of childhood stuff of
Speaker 1: your own. And I went, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: control my emotions. And as I'm saying it out loud,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing you can't lie like it's.
Speaker 2: True and you're literally not controlling your emotions. Why you're
Speaker 2: saying this to do that?
Speaker 1: And I'm and I go, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do it. You're right, No, you're you're You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I don't it's very hard for me to regulate myself.
Speaker 1: And I totally exploded and I was like, but before
Speaker 1: we talk about me, let's let's just talk about you
Speaker 1: for a minute.
Speaker 3: And he was like okay, And so then we were able.
Speaker 1: To talk about him, yeah, and and him not him
Speaker 1: not being a good listener and those things, and then
Speaker 1: I said, would you like to talk about me now?
Speaker 1: And he said yes, and he said it really hurts
Speaker 1: my feelings when you scream at me. I said, for him, yes,
Speaker 1: I hear that, and I'm sorry. Mommy is not perfect.
Speaker 1: Mommy makes mistakes. Just like you're learning how to control
Speaker 1: your big emotions. I don't have control over my big emotions.
Speaker 1: And anyway, it ended up being a really great little
Speaker 1: bonding experience. We hugged and I said, let's have a
Speaker 1: better day tomorrow, and then we did, and we talked
Speaker 1: about it the next day too, about how we had
Speaker 1: both had a much better day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're constantly processing together like that, Like reprocessing is
Speaker 2: so important, Like that's sort of like let's talk about
Speaker 2: what happened yesterday, or let's go over Like I've realized
Speaker 2: those are it's so productive, you know, And I feel
Speaker 2: like previous generations of parents never did that. It was
Speaker 2: like you had an experience, you got it out, you
Speaker 2: had your emotional encounter or whatever, and then you like
Speaker 2: slam doors and never talk about it, you know, and
Speaker 2: like it's so important to like, let's tell the story
Speaker 2: of what happened, and like let's agree on that story
Speaker 2: because of course, like you know, it's unpacking, right, it's
Speaker 2: what this podcast is all about. Like, but if you
Speaker 2: do it more close to the actual experience, you're like
Speaker 2: you're olding a relationship together. But by building memories, you're like,
Speaker 2: what happened there, I did this, and you did that,
Speaker 2: and then we said this, and we can agree that
Speaker 2: this is what was happening and what should happen next time.
Speaker 2: You know. That's that's so powerful, it's so great.
Speaker 3: Man's a good step.
Speaker 2: That's the good stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, when's the last time you yelled at Lexi?
Speaker 4: Who your step step? I don't yell at Lexie.
Speaker 2: She would.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a tiny, tiny girl that they call the
Speaker 4: velvet hammer at work. So nobody messes with Lexi. Yeah
Speaker 4: I Lexi. Lexi's parents took care of her a lot better.
Speaker 4: I get to be the friend, which is good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that is true.
Speaker 1: You get to be like you don't even you probably
Speaker 1: don't even feel like a step dad because like she,
Speaker 1: she was an adult. Basically by the time you came
Speaker 1: into her life, there wasn't really much daddying to do.
Speaker 4: Well, No, I didn't daddy. I mean the first when
Speaker 4: when Sue and I started dating, originally Lexi was eleven, okay,
Speaker 4: but then but then we just stayed friends after that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, when when Sue and I got back together,
Speaker 4: Lexi was like nineteen or twenty, So yeah, it was
Speaker 4: we were we were good. I mean, and she and
Speaker 4: I I've always gotten along. But no, I yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: her stepdad, but she has two parents that that raised
Speaker 4: her and took care of her. So yeah, I'm just
Speaker 4: I'm that's my my role. It's like I'm the fun
Speaker 4: uncle for everybody. That's all I've ever wanted to be.
Speaker 3: So you're a great funkle.
Speaker 4: I am a great funkle and I have a great dog.
Speaker 4: And when I'm bonding with my dogs, it like, hey,
Speaker 4: do you want to talk about what just happened my slipper?
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about it?
Speaker 2: We should we talk about this?
Speaker 4: You're pulling a little bit on the leash. We've talked
Speaker 4: about this and maybe Bean the word.
Speaker 2: Funkle that just makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: Really, how about how about knuckle funkle. How about the
Speaker 4: flapp clap knuckle funkle few mouth.
Speaker 2: Flap knuckle funkle. One more time, I'm gonna lose my susiness.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what Lindsey said. I'm the episode where she bleeped.
Speaker 1: Maybe she said lip flap.
Speaker 4: Flapple funknckle funkle.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, wow.
Speaker 4: I don't know what a knuckle funkle is, but I
Speaker 4: a want to get one, have one done to me,
Speaker 4: and I also want to do one to someone else.
Speaker 4: Come on, dirty, let's figure out what it is. Let's
Speaker 4: knuckle funkle. It's one of those things that just sounds wrong.
Speaker 2: You know what it sounds like. Do you know there
Speaker 2: was like those little finger traps. Yes, yes, that's what
Speaker 2: I would call that a knuckle funkle. It's a knuckleunkle.
Speaker 4: It gets no, I'm knuckle knuckleunkle.
Speaker 2: And then he could use it as a metaphor for
Speaker 2: like we really got into it. We got to do
Speaker 2: an argument that was a real, a real Knucklenk. You
Speaker 2: stuck your finger and I stuck my finger and it
Speaker 2: couldn't pull out. We were both like it was a
Speaker 2: real knucklefunk.
Speaker 4: There are so many that's what That's what she said
Speaker 4: in this conversation.
Speaker 1: My gosh, welcome to Pod meets knuckle Funkle.
Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or strong, and I'm will
Speaker 4: mouth flap for Dell.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: An experiment that went right from the last season of
Speaker 1: Pod Meets World is that.
Speaker 3: We did something we jokingly threw.
Speaker 1: Out as an idea once one of us said somewhere
Speaker 1: along the way, we are doing so much unpacking on
Speaker 1: this podcast, we should go to group therapy.
Speaker 3: And then we did.
Speaker 1: We invited and technically hired Kira Muscarra a licensed clinical
Speaker 1: social worker and therapist who has a specialty in the
Speaker 1: well being of actors. She holds a BFA in acting
Speaker 1: from nyused Tish School of the Arts. But then she
Speaker 1: did the smart thing and she went to Columbia University
Speaker 1: for a Master of Science in Social Work. She now
Speaker 1: has her own private practice providing psychotherapy and she partakes
Speaker 1: in speaking engagements in the field of mental health awareness.
Speaker 1: But here on podmeets World. She will sit with us
Speaker 1: and talk about the things she's heard during the last
Speaker 1: fifty or so podcast episodes. As we tackled season three,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we raised a few red flags and worth
Speaker 1: noting we know absolutely nothing about what she will ask,
Speaker 1: So for a second office visit, please welcome therapist Kira
Speaker 1: Muscara back to the podcast.
Speaker 4: Hey guy, Hello, good to see you again.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: I just got anxious, I just got.
Speaker 5: Negative association.
Speaker 2: Now, No, not at all.
Speaker 3: We loved having you last time.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 1: Even though Will got anxious and nervous, he ended up
Speaker 1: loving the episode and all of us felt the same
Speaker 1: way and just wishing we had given you more of
Speaker 1: an opportunity.
Speaker 2: We didn't shut up.
Speaker 1: We never shut up, and you get us in front
Speaker 1: of a therapist and we can't stop talking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. No, I'm so glad to hear
Speaker 5: that everyone felt good about it. That was kind of
Speaker 5: how I wanted to start, was going a temperature check
Speaker 5: on how everyone was feeling doing this the second time.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, dare you ask me that?
Speaker 4: I am out out.
Speaker 1: We are going to let you ask more of the questions,
Speaker 1: but before we jump in, I did want to ask
Speaker 1: just one thing. Let's say you have known someone for
Speaker 1: over thirty years, one of your best friends in the
Speaker 1: entire world, and then you find out that they have
Speaker 1: been hiding the fact that they had a childhood pony.
Speaker 3: Could you ever trust that person again?
Speaker 4: How do you look them in the eye and share
Speaker 4: your own feelings when you know they've been hiding such
Speaker 4: important things from their past.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that actually comes up quite a bit with my clients.
Speaker 5: That's actually one of my specialties of people who hide
Speaker 5: childhood ponies from their friends. You know, we could definitely
Speaker 5: talk more about that, But syndrome RS you have to
Speaker 5: say a little more concerning. When somebody has a child's rat,
Speaker 5: that always a flag for.
Speaker 3: Me, even when it's Joey the Rat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when it's named after a boy World character, you know,
Speaker 5: there could be something more there we could explore. Maybe
Speaker 5: as a New Yorker, it's hard for me to get behind.
Speaker 1: I understand, I promise you. Joey the Rat was nothing
Speaker 1: like the New York Subway the world.
Speaker 2: Knowing that Topanga was a rat girl is pretty revelatory.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, it really adds a new layer.
Speaker 2: Whereas rider Strong riding a pony doesn't that kind of
Speaker 2: make sense. So I kind of always imagine that I
Speaker 2: was on a ranch somewhere with a horse.
Speaker 3: You know how it ends?
Speaker 2: How am I the normal one? How am I the
Speaker 2: normal one of the Again, by the way, uh, painful
Speaker 2: use of the word normal. Let's just throw down, so
Speaker 2: we should take that off the table. A Connecticut guy. Okay.
Speaker 2: So I brought up this whole pony thing with my
Speaker 2: parents because I'm here, and they were like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: Susie was gone by the time you started boy meets Work.
Speaker 2: So I didn't realize. I thought we had her all
Speaker 2: the way through, like up until my teens, but no,
Speaker 2: like she had died when I was like eleven or twelve.
Speaker 1: So okay, So to be fair, you would have been
Speaker 1: talking to us about a pony from the past, yea, okay.
Speaker 2: That as opposed to a present or future pony.
Speaker 5: Right, pony that's always in the cards for you writers.
Speaker 2: I could get a pony right now, right, that's true
Speaker 2: any one of us right now. You don't know, you
Speaker 2: don't see it from the way I'm standing on a pony.
Speaker 5: Kira.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have been listening.
Speaker 1: To season three and all of our interviews. What questions
Speaker 1: do you have for us.
Speaker 5: I've got a whole list here, I'm ready, so probably
Speaker 5: gonna jump around a little bit, but I wanted to start,
Speaker 5: just like I said, temperature check and see if our
Speaker 5: call kind of brought any new insights or a new
Speaker 5: lens or perspective that you were watching these new episodes through.
Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely tapped into the idea after our
Speaker 1: our call with you, I definitely tapped into the idea
Speaker 1: of that little Danielle inside of me and remembering that
Speaker 1: little Danielle on set and and the good, the highs
Speaker 1: and the lows, and it really like I feel very
Speaker 1: much in tune with like, oh yeah, that little that
Speaker 1: little person is still definitely in and I still operate
Speaker 1: from her in a lot of ways. So that definitely
Speaker 1: resonated and it really sunk in in our call.
Speaker 5: That's awesome. Well, that actually was going to be one
Speaker 5: of my questions with checking in with you and seeing
Speaker 5: like have you gotten more in touch with little Danielle?
Speaker 5: And it sounds like there has been some more connection there.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: I've been much more in touch with her and it's
Speaker 1: helped me for sure in my parenting, which is the
Speaker 1: best thing that could have ever come from. It is,
Speaker 1: aside from healing my own like past traumas or experiences
Speaker 1: and like being in touch with them. It has helped
Speaker 1: me parent my oldest son, especially because I see a
Speaker 1: lot of similarities in Adler and the way Adler feels
Speaker 1: about things and his perfectionism, and it's helped me. Like,
Speaker 1: he's still four, so I have a lot of room
Speaker 1: to make corrections so that he doesn't kind of make
Speaker 1: the same mistakes I do with perfectionism. And so it's
Speaker 1: really it's been very helpful in my current life, which
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. That's fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And I guess I was going to ask as well,
Speaker 5: maybe a silly question. Has touring and kind of getting
Speaker 5: more in touch with the fans in person and just
Speaker 5: the experience of the live shows has that influenced the
Speaker 5: perspective on doing the podcast as well.
Speaker 2: I know for me it's helped me realize that our
Speaker 2: listeners are not an abstraction, right, that our listeners are
Speaker 2: real people, and that sense of community is palpable. It's
Speaker 2: you know, it's made literal when we do the tour,
Speaker 2: and that's been really helpful. I think mostly in making
Speaker 2: me aware of that when we're harsh about the show,
Speaker 2: when we have criticisms of the show, to just make
Speaker 2: sure that we're also balancing that, like, because I feel
Speaker 2: like sometimes, you know, when we first started doing the podcast,
Speaker 2: and I felt like I was very effusive on how
Speaker 2: like I liked the show, and then I just sort
Speaker 2: of now, I just take it for granted that like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I love Boy Meets World. Like I think Boy Meets
Speaker 2: World is a fantastic show. So when we're criticizing a
Speaker 2: specific episode or whatever, but to hear from fans like
Speaker 2: you guys are really harsh on your or harsh on
Speaker 2: the show, I realize like, oh, I need to maybe
Speaker 2: make more of an effort to reiterate like I do
Speaker 2: like so much of what's happening on camera, and I
Speaker 2: am very proud of so many things because they're you know,
Speaker 2: listeners are real people with real feelings out there who
Speaker 2: are kind of like I like this episode or I
Speaker 2: like this show. So just realizing like, oh, it's it's
Speaker 2: a community that I'm kind of somewhat responsible or you know,
Speaker 2: it's like it's part I'm part of this community. It's
Speaker 2: not just me talking into a microphone with these two.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like we're part of a whole group
Speaker 2: and that's a fun that's that's a great thing because
Speaker 2: it's been a great journey to.
Speaker 5: Share, absolutely and then part of that larger community. That's
Speaker 5: kind of rolling into my next question is there's definitely
Speaker 5: a large community of former child actors who I think
Speaker 5: there seems to be, and you guys are part of it.
Speaker 5: A huge movement in the past few years of child
Speaker 5: actors or former child actors coming forward and speaking about
Speaker 5: their experience, both positive and negative, kind of the good
Speaker 5: and the bad of it, really being very verbal and
Speaker 5: vocal about that with with fans, and you obviously are
Speaker 5: part of that with your podcast, and I know there's
Speaker 5: been a lot of collaboration with other former child actors
Speaker 5: like Jody Sweeten and the Full House Girls and you know,
Speaker 5: Saved by the Belcast on the whole. Do you find
Speaker 5: that that community is really hungry for those conversations and
Speaker 5: receptive to speaking about the good and the bad or
Speaker 5: have you found, you know, without naming names, have you
Speaker 5: found pushback from anyone in the community kind of wanting
Speaker 5: to maintain that image and not break down that fourth wall.
Speaker 3: I don't think I mean ill.
Speaker 1: I can say even just for Will Will had and
Speaker 1: so did I, we all had overall an overwhelmingly positive
Speaker 1: experience on the scale of like how you what kind
Speaker 1: of experience could you.
Speaker 3: Have as a child actor?
Speaker 1: Ours fall on the side of like very few horrible times,
Speaker 1: tons and tons and tons of amazing, wonderful times, and
Speaker 1: yet it's still a nuanced Childhood is hard. Childhood is
Speaker 1: just hard, no matter who you are. And then adding
Speaker 1: fame and recognizability and money and being away from your
Speaker 1: family and all of the other things that just go
Speaker 1: along with it, it has its own set of challenges.
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing I would say I
Speaker 1: have felt, and it's not pushback on, but the one
Speaker 1: thing I would say I feel from a lot of
Speaker 1: people is a fear of sounding like they are ungrateful
Speaker 1: for the opportunity or the success that they have had,
Speaker 1: or a fear that by talking about some of the
Speaker 1: more the less than positive experiences, it's going to make
Speaker 1: people think that all actors who were children had bad
Speaker 1: experiences or bad childhoods. And so there's still a bit
Speaker 1: of fear about how can I be honest and say yes,
Speaker 1: this may have negatively impacted me without the takeaway being
Speaker 1: being a child actor is awful no matter who you are,
Speaker 1: and that I think has been like from a lot
Speaker 1: of people of like finding how do I talk about
Speaker 1: this in a way that is both honest and still
Speaker 1: also highlighting that it wasn't all bad?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I can imagine there is a pressure from
Speaker 5: the audience. They want to hear that authentic story. But
Speaker 5: there's a line you have to toe of, like you said,
Speaker 5: not sounding ungrateful, you know, making sure that you highlight
Speaker 5: all the good with the bad. But like you said,
Speaker 5: it's you're not just talking about when you're thrilled. You're
Speaker 5: talking about your childhood. And I think if you ask
Speaker 5: anybody how is your childhood, it's not going to be
Speaker 5: all good.
Speaker 3: That's just how life is exactly.
Speaker 5: Yes, interesting, Well, yeah, I kind of wanted to get
Speaker 5: more into you know, we've been talking in the last episode.
Speaker 5: We talked a lot about looking at memories and through
Speaker 5: a child's lens. Now we're turning more into an adolescence lens,
Speaker 5: which can be a little bit more dramatic, a little
Speaker 5: bit more heightened, a little bit more rigid. Has the
Speaker 5: viewing of the episodes and the memories that are coming up,
Speaker 5: Have you noticed any difference between them versus the earlier episodes?
Speaker 3: What about you will?
Speaker 4: No, you know, again, I was seventeen to twenty four.
Speaker 4: It's a much different time than starting at eleven or twelve,
Speaker 4: So no, I think, you know, while I certainly grew
Speaker 4: as a person and continue to do so, my young
Speaker 4: adolescent years were still on camera, but not on Boy
Speaker 4: Mets World.
Speaker 2: So I'm not really watching, you know.
Speaker 4: If we went back and watched Don't just sit there
Speaker 4: or something I did when I was eleven or twelve,
Speaker 4: then I'm sure it would be a much different experience
Speaker 4: than watching Boy Meets World. But for the most part, no,
Speaker 4: you know, watching when I'm watching the show, I'm looking
Speaker 4: myself more as the growth as an actor than I
Speaker 4: am the growth as a person, because you know, again,
Speaker 4: the formidable years for me weren't caught on camera. Yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 4: so it was much different for me than it was
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 2: When did you So, when did you stop living with Spencer?
Speaker 2: When when did you leave? After the first year that
Speaker 2: the second season, you were already in your own apartment
Speaker 2: in Burmann and then you stayed there until the end
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, I was in that. I was in
Speaker 4: that building for the next Yeah, what was it six
Speaker 4: years after that?
Speaker 1: Okay, But like Tony's been on the show now for
Speaker 1: these these seas the season and so do any of
Speaker 1: your memories, like how much of your memories now that
Speaker 1: are about the show that we're watching tie into Like
Speaker 1: you actually had like a kind of a best friend
Speaker 1: on set with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, I mean again, those were, but those
Speaker 4: memories were more about it wasn't about the show. It
Speaker 4: was about kind of you know, going and playing golf
Speaker 4: or going shooting, or the kind of stuff we would
Speaker 4: do in the you know, in.
Speaker 2: In between doing the show.
Speaker 4: The show itself was was kind of by second and
Speaker 4: third season had become just part of my daily schedule.
Speaker 4: And I loved it so much and it was such
Speaker 4: a wonderful thing and being in front of the audience,
Speaker 4: you get that vibe and being with them. But one
Speaker 4: of the things I'm I do notice through a lot
Speaker 4: of the conversations that we've been having, you know, Danielle's
Speaker 4: diary and through pictures and stuff like that, is I
Speaker 4: didn't hang out with these guys I mean, we we
Speaker 4: had two very very different experiences on the show, so
Speaker 4: it was, uh, yeah, it was Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 4: was just two different things. So I try to jump
Speaker 4: in where I can.
Speaker 2: But I mean they there.
Speaker 4: Adolescence on the show and growing up on the show,
Speaker 4: and and for a lot of reasons, for especially writer,
Speaker 4: but Danielle as well. Towards the later seasons, they were
Speaker 4: more famous than I was, if that makes sense. So
Speaker 4: they just had kind of a different run than I did.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think just now it was like an
Speaker 5: adult experience of going.
Speaker 3: To work and then I hang out with my friends
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Would that's exactly what I do.
Speaker 4: I go to I'd go to work, I lived by myself,
Speaker 4: I'd go grocery shopping, I'd do my laundry. I mean,
Speaker 4: I just I was having a much different experience. I
Speaker 4: wasn't dealing with the parent dynamic. I wasn't there, you know,
Speaker 4: I just didn't. I wasn't dealing with school anymore. I mean, like,
Speaker 4: I just it was just a much different And at
Speaker 4: that point I was thirty five. I just happened to
Speaker 4: be eighteen, So it was it was just a different life.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely so aware of adolescent writer now, like
Speaker 2: ninety five ninety six, that would have been just peak
Speaker 2: angst miserable writer. Actually, I mean I was. I was
Speaker 2: actually really just becoming who I would become, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I was definitely you know, going through relationship issues
Speaker 2: which I can see like with the Pig episode, or
Speaker 2: like when I started noticing like down performances and you know,
Speaker 2: based on a conversation on last Heartbroken Rider, you know,
Speaker 2: I've tried to be a little like right, that's probably
Speaker 2: when I was going through this breakup, and that's why
Speaker 2: I was not delivering like a high energy performance or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm so much more aware of that now. And I
Speaker 2: was also struggling with my mom a lot in this period,
Speaker 2: like Danielle can remember, like carpooling with I'm driving. I
Speaker 2: was learning to drive, so had my drivers per my
Speaker 2: mom had to be in the car with me, and
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be independent so bad, and I
Speaker 2: wanted my mom to know how easily I could be
Speaker 2: on my own, and I just needed to make her
Speaker 2: feel as bad as possible and as dumb as possible
Speaker 2: and as like I just I just tortured her for
Speaker 2: like that. The entire year, and I remember this period
Speaker 2: like you know. And then once I turned sixteen, I
Speaker 2: got my own apartment, I became you know, But a
Speaker 2: lot of my interests are still my interests, Like I
Speaker 2: started really getting into movies and poetry and philosophy and
Speaker 2: so like I see little writer going through like becoming
Speaker 2: who are you know, the kind of the same stuff
Speaker 2: I'm into now, just cranked up emotionally, like I look craging. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I basically feel like I was on drugs these Like
Speaker 2: when I look back on this period, I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Like the highs were so high, the lows
Speaker 2: were so low. It was like life or death every
Speaker 2: single day. And then of course that translated onto screen,
Speaker 2: like you can see that Sean is so dramatic, and
Speaker 2: I feel like the writer were clearly seeing me in
Speaker 2: real life going through these things and tapping into it,
Speaker 2: I think quite effectively. So that's every teenager though everything
Speaker 2: is life and death. You're fourteen, it's like this is
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the worst thing that's ever
Speaker 2: happened to me. Totally Yeah, it's all right, but you
Speaker 2: see it on screen too, right, like Sean clearly being
Speaker 2: recent too for this drama and like, I, you know,
Speaker 2: I was, I was playing into it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, And I think also one of the things that's
Speaker 1: been really funny and interesting and just cool about where
Speaker 1: we are in this stage of life is that with
Speaker 1: us being in our forties, older than the adult actors
Speaker 1: were at this time that you know, they're on Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World, we are relating so much more to those
Speaker 1: adult characters when we watch the episodes. But also I'm
Speaker 1: relating to our parents and what they were going through
Speaker 1: raising us while we were on the show. And so
Speaker 1: having our families come on the show or some of
Speaker 1: our parents come on the show and talk about what
Speaker 1: we were like has brought a lot of those memories.
Speaker 1: Like my mom said to me to what Writer's point was,
Speaker 1: she said, after listening to Lynn and King's episode, she said,
Speaker 1: you know, do you remember how Writer You know some
Speaker 1: of the fights that Writer and his mom would have.
Speaker 1: And I said why, I mean, I remember that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they would get into big arguments, and she said,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because Writer would never do this now,
Speaker 1: and seeing him as a parent, she said, but he was.
Speaker 3: He was mean to her. He was he was mean
Speaker 3: to his mom.
Speaker 1: And she said and he you know, he was he
Speaker 1: cursed and he had no problem just yelling and cursing
Speaker 1: at her. And it's just we think now we think
Speaker 1: about ourselves as writer with Indie and how I mean writer,
Speaker 1: how heartbroken would you be?
Speaker 2: Will I be? When will you be? When calling me?
Speaker 2: And and I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna say that's such a common experience. I think so
Speaker 5: many of us would look back on adolescents go, my god,
Speaker 5: I was so mean to my parents, my siblings or
Speaker 5: whoever it is. And so it's it's almost inevitable in
Speaker 5: a way, but harsh for you guys to have it
Speaker 5: really paralleled.
Speaker 2: And uh well, I think the real problem was that
Speaker 2: we were empowered, right, Like the whole power dynamic is inverted.
Speaker 2: Like here my mom has given up, you know, like
Speaker 2: a lot of parents, they've given up their life to
Speaker 2: you know, are parts of their life to support you
Speaker 2: fulfill your dreams. You fulfill your dreams. But in our
Speaker 2: case it's so extreme, and we walk onto a set
Speaker 2: every day where no one cares about them, where they
Speaker 2: have no power. They are literally the also rants who
Speaker 2: have to be there, but like they don't have authority
Speaker 2: over the kids because our hours are being dictated by
Speaker 2: the show and the state laws regarding school and so,
Speaker 2: like my mom, we're also being hampered, the entire hampered
Speaker 2: and being catered to and being told we're so brilliant,
Speaker 2: we're so great, the only reason that any of us
Speaker 2: are here and getting paid. You know, I'm making more
Speaker 2: money than my mom and my dad at this age.
Speaker 2: Like that's crazy, right, Like and so I'm I, I yeah,
Speaker 2: I have this horrible memory I may have talked about
Speaker 2: on the show, but like my mom was was on
Speaker 2: her exercise like treadmill or whatever our house and Encino,
Speaker 2: and I just I said something and she just she's like, rider,
Speaker 2: come back, and I like walked into the room and
Speaker 2: she stopped the machine and just fell apart, and she's like,
Speaker 2: why do you hate me? And I remember just being
Speaker 2: like I I don't. I just I don't, you know,
Speaker 2: And I felt so bad, but she was just so
Speaker 2: honest and like you hate me, Like why do you
Speaker 2: hate me so much? And I just had to be
Speaker 2: like you as a fellow human, yes, not as like
Speaker 2: a parent trying to control me or to tell me
Speaker 2: that I'm doing something wrong, but just you know, finally
Speaker 2: expressing how she was feeling, which is like she felt
Speaker 2: like I hated her, and sure enough I was, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: just constantly letting her know how she was messing up
Speaker 2: or not, like, you know, reaching my standards at fifteen,
Speaker 2: you know, my high standards of how humans should be,
Speaker 2: and you know, and of course it's all exacerbated by
Speaker 2: the fact that, like, I'm on a set where other
Speaker 2: adults treat me as an adult. They never talk down
Speaker 2: to me, if anything. You know, if you're below the
Speaker 2: line crew, you're going to be replaced before the actors
Speaker 2: are right. So by third season, even though we're kids,
Speaker 2: we have more power than almost anybody on that set.
Speaker 2: You know, there's really only the writing, producers and directors
Speaker 2: who have any authority over us. And that's a really
Speaker 2: complicated dynamic with children. And that's you know, and I
Speaker 2: think that it just went. You know, even though I
Speaker 2: think we were all good people, it can't help but
Speaker 2: affect our behaviors and go to our heads to a
Speaker 2: certain degree and distort the world. It's like looking at
Speaker 2: a carnival mirror every day. And so it distorted my
Speaker 2: world to the point where I thought I was better
Speaker 2: than my mom, smarter than my mom, more capable than
Speaker 2: my mom, and I let her know that in my
Speaker 2: everyday interactions with her, which is so horrible. And then
Speaker 2: you know, when I did get my own apartment, everything
Speaker 2: did kind of normalize, you know, but in retrospect, like
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have had to have been that drastic, you know,
Speaker 2: like I should have been able to adjust a little
Speaker 2: bit and respect my mom a lot more, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have a great relationship now, but it
Speaker 2: basically that period like fourteen into sixteen was so awful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and already so different than earlier in the series,
Speaker 5: where I know, like you spoke in the first few
Speaker 5: episodes or the first season, there was a fear of
Speaker 5: will I be replaced? And is this show going to
Speaker 5: take off? Are they gonna like my character? What's gonna happen?
Speaker 5: It sounds like by this point in the series there's
Speaker 5: an over confidence of the show can't exist without me,
Speaker 5: because now we know where the secret sauce. And so
Speaker 5: that's a huge flip in itself. And I was curious
Speaker 5: how your all of you, your relationship I guess maybe
Speaker 5: less for Will because he was a little older, but
Speaker 5: what your relationship looked like or how it changed with
Speaker 5: I guess I'll say the quote unquote the authorities on
Speaker 5: the show, you know, like the Michael Jacobs, the people
Speaker 5: running the show. How did that dynamic shift at all
Speaker 5: as you got older and there was more of that
Speaker 5: confidence in yourself on set?
Speaker 1: I'll say I definitely there was definitely a point where
Speaker 1: I had more confidence to be relaxed and kind of
Speaker 1: you know, those first two seasons especially, I was like
Speaker 1: not gonna be yeah, I was kind of like who
Speaker 1: all the time, and I wouldn't have felt real comfortable
Speaker 1: making jokes or like just being relaxed around the people
Speaker 1: with power who could or could not, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: fire me. I know that by the time we reached
Speaker 1: this point in time, there was a lot more fun
Speaker 1: Like I did feel more comfortable, I felt more confident.
Speaker 1: I felt like one of the team. I felt like
Speaker 1: a member of the family. And even though I don't
Speaker 1: know that the I don't know that the fear of
Speaker 1: being fired left until I was like in season five,
Speaker 1: but certainly here not the show really, I know, I'm
Speaker 1: still only there a few times, so like you know,
Speaker 1: it's I was just happy to be back every time
Speaker 1: and so and I didn't know if I was going
Speaker 1: to be in the next week or not, So I know,
Speaker 1: I definitely got to be a little bit more you know, comfortable.
Speaker 1: But I do think the you know, the relationship I
Speaker 1: had with my parents, I never, once ever, in the
Speaker 1: history of my relationship with my parents, ever questioned whether
Speaker 1: or not they were proud of me. Like I always
Speaker 1: knew that my parents were proud of me, that they
Speaker 1: supported me, and that they were willing to do anything
Speaker 1: in order to help me pursue my dreams. If my
Speaker 1: dreams were to stay on this show and to do
Speaker 1: this show forever, then they were going to help me
Speaker 1: do that. If my dreams were you know what, I
Speaker 1: changed my mind, I don't want to do this anymore,
Speaker 1: they would have done anything in their power to do that.
Speaker 1: But the relationships that I had on set with Michael
Speaker 1: and with certain directors was definitely more of a I
Speaker 1: want to make them proud. What am I going to
Speaker 1: How can I get their approval this week? What can
Speaker 1: I do to make them be proud of me? What
Speaker 1: can I do that'll get me a good note in
Speaker 1: a note session? And if you don't get a good note,
Speaker 1: if you actually get a criticism, how can I turn
Speaker 1: that around, and being so excited for the opportunity to
Speaker 1: turn it around could get that kind of feedback. So
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe a relationship most people have with
Speaker 1: either teachers in their life at school or their parents.
Speaker 1: And yet my family, that relationship was super stable, and
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I had to work for work
Speaker 1: for the support, but I did feel like I was
Speaker 1: always like a little bit on at work, like how
Speaker 1: do I get this validation?
Speaker 5: So there was almost more of a hook or a
Speaker 5: buy in rather than I was wondering if it was
Speaker 5: maybe the opposite of being like I'm over it now,
Speaker 5: I don't need to listen to this, you know, ten
Speaker 5: hour note session or criticism.
Speaker 4: There was more of a.
Speaker 3: Buy in then, Oh, for sure, I was.
Speaker 1: I had become perhaps addicted to the cycle of go
Speaker 1: to note session, get a criticism, do better the next day,
Speaker 1: get admiration for that, and then go on, you know,
Speaker 1: get the adrenaline high of a tape night with a
Speaker 1: live studio audience, and then the unknown of whether or
Speaker 1: not you were going to get a criticism that you
Speaker 1: needed to turn around in front of the audience, or
Speaker 1: if it was just going to be a great night
Speaker 1: for you where for some reason every decision you made
Speaker 1: or thing you did worked. So yeah, I that part
Speaker 1: had kind of become addicting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting, No, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean Rider,
Speaker 5: with everything you were saying, it pulled out so many
Speaker 5: different threads that I actually kind of wanted to talk about.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because as we're recording this, the episode
Speaker 5: that came out today is the episode where you guys
Speaker 5: talked about the cruise, and I had this morning like
Speaker 5: all right, maybe i'll listen to it quick, just in
Speaker 5: case there's anything I want to reference, And there was
Speaker 5: a lot in there. I did not expect that from
Speaker 5: an episode about a cruise, something that God, the so
Speaker 5: much of it kind of pulled up my tug down
Speaker 5: my heart strings. And I think something that was interesting
Speaker 5: that you talked about was and I don't know if
Speaker 5: this is something that you necessarily all felt, but I
Speaker 5: think a lot of former child actors have spoken about
Speaker 5: is the pressure and the responsibility they end up feeling
Speaker 5: as like the breadwinner of their family and supporting their
Speaker 5: parents and kind of how their status and their success
Speaker 5: unlocks doors for their family's dreams to come true too.
Speaker 5: And I know you kind of spoke a little bit
Speaker 5: about that with your grandparents really wanting to go on
Speaker 5: the cruise and being able to give that to them.
Speaker 2: Got to give them that cruise before they die, of.
Speaker 5: Course, like anyone in that position would feel that way.
Speaker 5: And I was curious if any of you, not that
Speaker 5: necessarily came from your parents putting that pressure on you,
Speaker 5: but did any of you feel that internal pressure throughout
Speaker 5: the course of the series, knowing that your success, your money,
Speaker 5: your status maybe meant something to your family or supported
Speaker 5: your family in a way.
Speaker 2: No, I mean that's that example of the cruise is
Speaker 2: kind of the only thing I can point to. I
Speaker 2: think that there was. There was, there's definitely a sense
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, I mean no, the story that I
Speaker 2: actually didn't tell, we got around it a little bit
Speaker 2: with when my parents were on the show, but I
Speaker 2: don't think I actually told the whole story, which I
Speaker 2: have told before in interviews, is that when when I
Speaker 2: when Maureen broke up with me and I was falling apart,
Speaker 2: and I said I wanted to leave the show backstage
Speaker 2: my dad, I think, actually, Danielle, you asked my dad, like,
Speaker 2: when why do I wanted to quit acting? How did
Speaker 2: you feel about it, and you were asking I think
Speaker 2: about like as an adult, and my dad thought you
Speaker 2: were referencing this story which was back when we were
Speaker 2: when I was fifteen and I was on the show.
Speaker 2: I had a breakdown. We were taping, I think it
Speaker 2: was a pre tape before, you know, but they were
Speaker 2: the whole whole set was waiting for me, and I
Speaker 2: just fell apart. I started in the makeup rooms because
Speaker 2: Lori Heaps remember remembers me there, and I just I
Speaker 2: felt like my relationship had fallen apart because I was
Speaker 2: down in LA and I was away from my friends
Speaker 2: and my you know, my girlfriend, and that my whole
Speaker 2: life had been ruined by Boy Meets World and that,
Speaker 2: you know, that was my perspective. And my dad was
Speaker 2: there and I was crying. We moved from the makeup
Speaker 2: into the dressing room and I had my breakdown and
Speaker 2: fell apart and talked to me and and I said,
Speaker 2: I just you know, I just was I don't want
Speaker 2: to be here, I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm done with this, like I can't. I need, you know.
Speaker 2: And my dad said, okay, that's it. We will get
Speaker 2: up right now. We will walk onto the stage. I
Speaker 2: will tell them we were taking you home. We were
Speaker 2: breaking that contract. I don't, I don't give up, like
Speaker 2: we're out here, this is you are way more important
Speaker 2: and are you know your like you know, health is
Speaker 2: like way more important and so you know, screw this.
Speaker 2: And it was amazing, you know, and I believed him,
Speaker 2: like I knew that he would do that and it
Speaker 2: was so important and he actually he literally said like
Speaker 2: I don't I I don't care about Michael. I don't care.
Speaker 2: We are leaving. We are going to do this, like
Speaker 2: I don't. You don't you don't owe anything to these people,
Speaker 2: Like we'll get out of this contract. It is so
Speaker 2: much more important that you are okay and happy, and
Speaker 2: you know, that's what I needed, Like I just needed
Speaker 2: to know that my parents were going to be there
Speaker 2: no matter what. And yeah, horrifically I told that story
Speaker 2: in our twenties at an event Michael brought us to
Speaker 2: his temple to do an event. You guys remember this
Speaker 2: where we all like yeah, yeah, And I told that
Speaker 2: story and Michael chimed in and said, no, wouldn't let
Speaker 2: you leave. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have let you
Speaker 2: do that. And that was a horrible moment. Like I
Speaker 2: remember looking at him and going, do You're gonna undermine
Speaker 2: my story when I just told that story about like
Speaker 2: how my dad was supporting me, Like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and undermine your parent?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, mind my parent again at twenty
Speaker 2: four or whatever, had to just get that in there.
Speaker 2: Well we're you know whatever. Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 2: But for me personally, that was an incredibly empowering important
Speaker 2: moment that I knew my parents were gonna love me
Speaker 2: and support me no matter what if I was.
Speaker 5: It's interesting I said that story, and I'm like on
Speaker 5: the verge of tears of like that moment you have
Speaker 5: with your parents, Like you see even kids who are
Speaker 5: like so intensely in school and the parents who were like,
Speaker 5: like you said, we'll get you out of here, I'll
Speaker 5: give you school, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: All that matters is that your mental health or that
Speaker 2: you're you know, supported, and that we love you. And
Speaker 2: like I needed that so bad, you know at that.
Speaker 3: Age, Like and writer, then what did you what did
Speaker 3: you say?
Speaker 1: Did you end up saying like no, let's not do that,
Speaker 1: let's not leave right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just held my my dad held me, like
Speaker 2: I cried in his arms and like I just remember,
Speaker 2: like I think Jeff McCracken came back. I remember Jeff
Speaker 2: coming back, and you know, because Jeff was like a
Speaker 2: father figure to me, and my dad and him had
Speaker 2: a great relationship. And I remember Jeff opening the door
Speaker 2: and being like, what are we doing and my dad
Speaker 2: being like, you know, no, like we need more time.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I remember saying, like to Jeff, like,
Speaker 2: can we please have just some more time? And I
Speaker 2: just sat with my dad, I think for like fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty minutes while the whole crew waited, and I just
Speaker 2: my dad calmed me down and we talked, and I
Speaker 2: said okay, and he's like, look, if you really do
Speaker 2: want to leave, like we don't have to do it
Speaker 2: right now, but if you want to figure out how
Speaker 2: to get out of this contract, we can do it
Speaker 2: down the road if you just want to finish today.
Speaker 2: And you know, so we're not all waiting right now,
Speaker 2: and Jeff's waiting outside in the hallway, and I remember
Speaker 2: being like, Okay, I can do this job. I can
Speaker 2: emotionally get through this, you know. And I remember my
Speaker 2: dad talking about how it's so funny like I was
Speaker 2: asking him about like how because he was telling me
Speaker 2: about how he and my mom had broken up at
Speaker 2: one point before they got married, you know, because he
Speaker 2: was trying to relate to me I was going through
Speaker 2: a breakup really, like really what was happening was a
Speaker 2: teenage boy had a broken heart and his dad was
Speaker 2: trying to make him feel better. And so I remember
Speaker 2: being like, didn't it hurt? Didn't it feel like it
Speaker 2: was the end of the world, you know, and he
Speaker 2: was just like, yes, you know, but as you get old,
Speaker 2: he just talked me through the breakup ultimately, and that's
Speaker 2: what it really was, you know. And then I just
Speaker 2: knew like my dad understood that I was going through
Speaker 2: something where I had a broken heart and he may
Speaker 2: and he was like, look, if you know, if we
Speaker 2: can just get through today, time heals all this stuff,
Speaker 2: like you will feel better. Like I ultimately felt better,
Speaker 2: you know, I ended up with your mom, but you know,
Speaker 2: I had heartbreak. It's fine, and I did. I was
Speaker 2: like okay, And I remember just like getting ready feeling
Speaker 2: like I didn't look like I was crying anymore, and
Speaker 2: being like, Okay, I'm going to go do this and
Speaker 2: then try and get out of the contract for boy
Speaker 2: Meets World down the line, which I did for the
Speaker 2: next like two or three years. I tried, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I was never had like that kind of breakdown,
Speaker 2: but I did want to do other jobs and I
Speaker 2: wanted to get away from Boymet's World. But yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know, that was like such a defining moment for
Speaker 2: my relationship with my parents, and you know that dynamic
Speaker 2: that you're referencing, like, I never felt like they needed
Speaker 2: me or or or I had to do this for them.
Speaker 2: It never wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Will and I similarly, Will's parents are lawyers,
Speaker 1: and Will wasn't supporting his family and my parents.
Speaker 3: I wasn't supporting my family. There were times where.
Speaker 1: It was cool to be able to use you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're shutting the park down for our families, you know,
Speaker 1: the cast and crews of all the ABC shows. Once
Speaker 1: a year, they would us down there in buses and
Speaker 1: we got to bring our siblings and friends. And there
Speaker 1: were times when the perks were really cool. But I
Speaker 1: never felt like any sort of pressure to keep doing
Speaker 1: the job because there were perks that my family needed
Speaker 1: or wanted. And I actually think it's one of the
Speaker 1: things that makes all of us been included a little
Speaker 1: rare in entertainment industries that all of our family, none
Speaker 1: of our families relied on us for those things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I thankfully No, I did not have any sort of
Speaker 1: that pressure feeling either.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No. And I loved so much as a listener
Speaker 5: hearing you bring your parents on because they're just as
Speaker 5: much of a part of it as all of you were.
Speaker 5: They were you know, when you're that age, your parent
Speaker 5: is like, yeah, they're speaking for you a lot of times.
Speaker 5: And it was an interesting just is so beautiful to
Speaker 5: hear how fiercely they all advocated for all of you.
Speaker 5: Sounds like even Will saying like you know your dad
Speaker 5: over contracts and not letting people pulling over on you
Speaker 5: like that is so what a gift. And I think
Speaker 5: what I loved hearing is that all of your parents
Speaker 5: were like, the second that stops being fun, we're out
Speaker 5: of here, like the writer said, And I guess rider,
Speaker 5: can you speak a little bit more too, and maybe
Speaker 5: you have in previous episodes? What did keep you in?
Speaker 5: Because it sounds like it did hit a wall where
Speaker 5: it stopped being fun, and obviously your parents were like, Okay,
Speaker 5: that's fine, let's walk away, But you stayed in. What
Speaker 5: were the factors that kind of kept you in?
Speaker 2: I think I just got old enough to have more
Speaker 2: of my own independence, you know. Once I was sixteen,
Speaker 2: I got my own apartment, and I started going to college,
Speaker 2: and I just you know, I found my own things,
Speaker 2: and boy Meet's world then became a pretty great job,
Speaker 2: you know, because then it was like a day job
Speaker 2: while I could pursue all the things I started to
Speaker 2: care about more about, like traveling the world, you know.
Speaker 2: And then I think I started to see the benefits
Speaker 2: of like having money. I was able to pay for
Speaker 2: my own college education, like that was never a concern, like,
Speaker 2: and that was just you know. And I think when
Speaker 2: I started to see my friends at sixteen get dishwashing jobs,
Speaker 2: Like all my best friends were like literally dishwashers or
Speaker 2: you know, normal like teenage jobs and like working their
Speaker 2: asses off to be able to afford to go to
Speaker 2: college or take student loans. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can I can do whatever I want, Like I
Speaker 2: can go anywhere, like I can, you know, And that
Speaker 2: was empowering. And then I was like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 2: need to I just need to be okay with this job.
Speaker 2: It was creatively, it was very unsatisfied. It was still
Speaker 2: creatively very unsatisfied. I you know what, Like like I
Speaker 2: wanted to be DiCaprio. I wanted to be doing like
Speaker 2: really dramatic movies and awesome you know, and I wasn't
Speaker 2: getting those parts. I was considered a TV sitcom kid
Speaker 2: actor and that hurt, Like that was really frustrating for me,
Speaker 2: and so I railed against the show in that regard.
Speaker 2: But I remember in my in my actual day to
Speaker 2: day life, I was having fun, and like I started
Speaker 2: having much more fun on the set sixteen on, like
Speaker 2: once we were all hanging out, and like I was
Speaker 2: like Will had started the show, you know, more of
Speaker 2: a like capable adult. It was I had fun, Like
Speaker 2: I just we laughed every time we were on set.
Speaker 2: So I think from a transition from being like, oh
Speaker 2: this is this is so miserable for me and I'm
Speaker 2: creatively unhappy to just this is actually a really great gig.
Speaker 2: I'm just creatively unsatisfied. And that's on me, you know,
Speaker 2: I just have to go do other things, and you know,
Speaker 2: and this is part of the reason why I'm not
Speaker 2: an actor anymore. And I'm sure you've dealt with this
Speaker 2: with clients, is that you you aren't in control of
Speaker 2: the project you're in, you know, and that and like
Speaker 2: the best and happiest actors are the ones who are
Speaker 2: who come to terms with that, who have like a
Speaker 2: piece with that, where they're just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: just show up and do my part of this job,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 5: Love the job no matter what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of have to, like you can't always
Speaker 2: you can't have that like other part of your brain
Speaker 2: that's like putting it in context or trying to tell
Speaker 2: the whole story. And no, you have to like commit
Speaker 2: to your corner of this story or your corner of
Speaker 2: this project. And like, now that I've directed, I can
Speaker 2: see that those are the actors that I love working with, Like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, the ones who are just like what
Speaker 2: do you need? Where do I go? And they just commit,
Speaker 2: you know, And like I found it harder and harder
Speaker 2: to commit because I kept being like, yeah, but this
Speaker 2: movie kind of sucks or this episode is not great
Speaker 2: or didn't.
Speaker 5: Really you have to genuinely enjoy it, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know that's just my my
Speaker 2: adult brain started taking over and made me less of
Speaker 2: an actor, Like I just became I became a worse
Speaker 2: actor as my you knows, as I'm matured, and you know,
Speaker 2: for better or worse in life, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: either way, I definitely started to enjoy just being around
Speaker 2: these guys and being on set and like it was
Speaker 2: so much fun.
Speaker 5: Well, I want to shift gears a little bit. I
Speaker 5: mean what you mentioned about that story with Michael, where
Speaker 5: it sounds like there was still an experience as an
Speaker 5: adult of I guess kind of having the power people
Speaker 5: on set still having some control over you to and
Speaker 5: some control over maybe what you're feeling, what you would
Speaker 5: have done, even that story that it happened in hindsight,
Speaker 5: still kind of inserting that there ye something that I heard,
Speaker 5: and I don't want to say which episode, but there
Speaker 5: was an episode of the podcast that it sounded like
Speaker 5: there was still a little bit of that of someone
Speaker 5: kind of telling you what your experience was, telling you
Speaker 5: what they thought you felt at that time, even if
Speaker 5: that's not what you were saying as an adult, and
Speaker 5: I'm very checkyse. Something I admire about the podcast is like,
Speaker 5: there isn't this desire to say who's right, who's wrong,
Speaker 5: Whose perspective was the correct one, who wasn't. It's just
Speaker 5: a collection of what was everyone's perspective of the time
Speaker 5: exactly me as a listener, that felt like such a
Speaker 5: sharp contrast of someone really trying to tell you what
Speaker 5: the experience was, even if that's not what you felt.
Speaker 5: And I was just curious how that is for you
Speaker 5: guys as adults, to have someone tell you what your
Speaker 5: experience was.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things we can all agree
Speaker 1: on is that there have been times with different people
Speaker 1: that we worked with who have since the podcast has
Speaker 1: come out, who have written us or spoken to us
Speaker 1: about different things that have come up on the podcast
Speaker 1: or different episodes, and we realize how much those dynamics
Speaker 1: that were at play back then have not in their
Speaker 1: minds changed at all, where they still think of us
Speaker 1: as kids, and where they think, you know, they feel
Speaker 1: comfortable saying something to us like I heard so and
Speaker 1: so say.
Speaker 3: Something on the podcast and that's not true.
Speaker 1: So you need to apologize to so and so and
Speaker 1: an author parent.
Speaker 3: Like Wall.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's not something even we said. You
Speaker 1: heard someone else say something from their po the that
Speaker 1: you're saying isn't true. Also, you're not even the person
Speaker 1: in the story, so you're not even saying, hey, someone
Speaker 1: said something about me and I want.
Speaker 3: To correct it.
Speaker 1: You're stepping in on behalf of someone else to say
Speaker 1: that what somebody else said wasn't true, and now we
Speaker 1: owe this other person an apology. And there is there's
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a feeling where you know,
Speaker 1: Will is the nicest, kindest, sweetest person in the world
Speaker 1: and is so respectful and loving of every single person
Speaker 1: we worked with on on every from every facet of
Speaker 1: crew top to bottom.
Speaker 3: Will's the loveliest.
Speaker 1: And yet I remember when this, this particular example happened,
Speaker 1: Will was like, I think I need to say something,
Speaker 1: and if he did, he responded in a very polite
Speaker 1: but direct way of like, I hear you, but I
Speaker 1: don't need to apologize and we are not going to.
Speaker 5: So you know, O did that feel for you?
Speaker 4: Will?
Speaker 5: To be now in a position as an adult to
Speaker 5: say that.
Speaker 4: It felt fine? I mean, I think it's one of
Speaker 4: those things where it's it's it's I don't have to
Speaker 4: worry about my perception of myself. It's it's other people's
Speaker 4: perception of me that occasionally needs to be corrected. So
Speaker 4: it's the idea where it's I'm not fifteen anymore or
Speaker 4: sixteen anymore, So don't talk to me like I am,
Speaker 4: because what's going to come back as a forty seven
Speaker 4: year old man and it might not be great. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen often. I mean I can count on
Speaker 4: one hand the number of times. I mean, there's a
Speaker 4: number of reasons for that. I'm I don't like conflict,
Speaker 4: but I also find that most of the time I
Speaker 4: can avoid it, whether by comedy or talk just straight
Speaker 4: talking through it. But then there's times where you have
Speaker 4: to kind of say no, I check your tone right.
Speaker 4: So that doesn't happen often, but when it does, you
Speaker 4: have to say something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I was really proud of Will.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I was proud of him because and not because
Speaker 1: Will is the type to be walked all over. I've
Speaker 1: never seen Will be walked all over. But I very
Speaker 1: I very infrequently see Will in any sort of conflict situation.
Speaker 1: And I know for me, when I read the email
Speaker 1: in particular, we were talking about my insides turned bright,
Speaker 1: which is a normal reaction for me. My insides turned
Speaker 1: bright red, and I was like wanted to breathe out
Speaker 1: fire of.
Speaker 3: Like, who does as far as I think they are And.
Speaker 1: To you know, I was so thankful that Will is
Speaker 1: the one who handled it because with you know, strength,
Speaker 1: but also being very polite. He responded, I am not
Speaker 1: a child, and it feels as though, by the way
Speaker 1: you spoke to me, you think that perhaps I still am,
Speaker 1: and I would just like to remind you that I'm not.
Speaker 1: And so thanks for your email, but we will not
Speaker 1: be We will not be doing that. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: that that aspect of still working with if you want
Speaker 1: to call it working with we don't really work with
Speaker 1: them now on the podcast, but if we are going
Speaker 1: to call that having people on, making it a collaborative experience,
Speaker 1: seeing that for some people there hasn't been a shift
Speaker 1: in the way they think of us or you know,
Speaker 1: and it is hard. I think I appreciate you saying
Speaker 1: that one of your favorite aspects is that it really
Speaker 1: is us inviting people on to share their povs and
Speaker 1: not giving commentary about whether it's right or wrong, or.
Speaker 3: Good or bad.
Speaker 1: That is one of our shared goals from before this
Speaker 1: even got off the ground, was. We want to be
Speaker 1: a safe place for anyone and everyone to come on
Speaker 1: and share their experiences.
Speaker 3: And we are not going.
Speaker 1: To dictate what those experiences are. We are not going
Speaker 1: to lead you down a direction that tell that will,
Speaker 1: you know, guide you into a positive story. We're not
Speaker 1: going to lead you in a direction that's going to
Speaker 1: guide you into a negative story. You share what you're
Speaker 1: comfortable with and what your experiences are, good, bad, indifferent,
Speaker 1: and we will highlight those. We will, we will give
Speaker 1: you a space to share those. And yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: been one of my favorite aspects of it as well.
Speaker 2: I think like the clearest example of that is like
Speaker 2: the Tapanga name story, Like the fact that we have
Speaker 2: so many versions of you know, the Rasham and effect
Speaker 2: of like everybody has their memory, and like I love
Speaker 2: that We're not our goal is not to determine which
Speaker 2: one's the right one, but like I'd love to keep
Speaker 2: presenting them, you know, like I would love I want
Speaker 2: to keep hearing those stories and like and so I
Speaker 2: think I think sometimes people might you know, people that
Speaker 2: we worked with, or people even just listeners might be
Speaker 2: upset by something that we're telling is a memory or
Speaker 2: like one of our experiences. But it's our experience, you know,
Speaker 2: Like if I have a memory or I have a story,
Speaker 2: you know, and like somebody could come on and say, no,
Speaker 2: I never said that, Okay, but I have this memory
Speaker 2: and I have this experience, and this is our podcast,
Speaker 2: and this is our show. Does like tell those stories
Speaker 2: and tell those memory reason you know, we're not. Our
Speaker 2: goal is not to arrive at a truth or a
Speaker 2: definitive version of history. Our goal is to collectively compile
Speaker 2: these memories into what hopefully is a fun listening experience
Speaker 2: where we can all share along and be like, oh right,
Speaker 2: we're all uncovering this together, and and you know, and
Speaker 2: maybe we'll do it again in twenty more years. Looking
Speaker 2: we'll just listen to episodes of this podcast and talk
Speaker 2: about what our persons. Maybe it'll just be our kids,
Speaker 2: It'll be Indian Adler. Oh my gosh, you remember when
Speaker 2: our parents kept running at the other room and.
Speaker 3: Your stepdaughter, fifty year old LEXI, I.
Speaker 5: Love it well speaking about I guess we were speaking
Speaker 5: abou kind of your support systems during that time, being
Speaker 5: your parents. And another perspective I loved hearing was from
Speaker 5: the onset teacher and I kind of just wanted to
Speaker 5: hold some space for the loss of David Combs. I
Speaker 5: know that is an incredibly significant loss, and I I
Speaker 5: can't fathom how it's been to keep forging forward looking
Speaker 5: back at these memories as you're also processing that loss
Speaker 5: in real time, and so I just want to say,
Speaker 5: I just want to hold space for that. And I
Speaker 5: was also curious if if you had had the chance
Speaker 5: to have him on the podcast, what would you have
Speaker 5: wanted to ask him or say.
Speaker 3: Oh, I get emotional.
Speaker 5: Just I.
Speaker 1: Don't know that I don't know that I know how
Speaker 1: to really process his death. I don't know that I
Speaker 1: definitely haven't had time. I probably haven't really like probably
Speaker 1: haven't done some real like whatever work I would need
Speaker 1: to do to actually process it. We've been in such
Speaker 1: like a wonderful busy whirlwind with the podcast live tour,
Speaker 1: and it's.
Speaker 3: Meant that.
Speaker 1: It's made it easier to avoid dealing with than to
Speaker 1: really I mean, Writer and I haven't even talked about
Speaker 1: it face to face, which is weird because I know,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously right it affects writer and I and
Speaker 1: Ben the most, but because you know, Will didn't ever
Speaker 1: really get schooling with him, So of course it's more
Speaker 1: significant for us than it is for Will, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's weird that writer and I haven't even talked about
Speaker 1: it face to face because I know it affects us
Speaker 1: both so significantly. And I think if you know, and
Speaker 1: less writer has less, writer disagrees. But I don't know
Speaker 1: that writers really processed it either.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of what I feel is, uh,
Speaker 2: just regret that I didn't stay in better touch with him,
Speaker 2: you know. And I think when we started the podcast.
Speaker 2: Part of starting the podcast was being excited at the
Speaker 2: prospect of reconnecting with him and being able to give
Speaker 2: him credit where credits due and let him know personally
Speaker 2: the way that we've been able to let Wesley know
Speaker 2: personally how much?
Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wisha wish I could assu him him again.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I hope he's watching somewhere. I hope he's I hope
Speaker 3: there's a podcast station in heaven. He's always tuned into
Speaker 3: pod Meats World.
Speaker 1: It's the only playing yeah, for him, at least, hopefully
Speaker 1: not for everybody there, Like.
Speaker 3: What's this new podcast station?
Speaker 2: I I gotta say, I.
Speaker 4: Absolutely love us, But if he's in a place where
Speaker 4: all that plays is pod Meets World.
Speaker 2: It ain't Heaven people, dun.
Speaker 4: Radio. You know, it's all Pods World all the time,
Speaker 4: and it's very hard.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's a lot of Hondai commercials.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's let's be honest with ourselves.
Speaker 5: It's a we wish him that he listens to it,
Speaker 5: but he gets a break too, for sure.
Speaker 2: He gets to tune in when he wants and watch
Speaker 2: episodes of Boys World once again. Shakes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I kind of just wanted to a little
Speaker 5: space for that because thank you talk a lot about parents,
Speaker 5: and it seems like he played a very you know,
Speaker 5: formative as well.
Speaker 2: No, And like I said on the end of that episode,
Speaker 2: like I write, I'm writing with David in my head
Speaker 2: every day, and you know, I feel like he is
Speaker 2: over my shoulder, like literally in the words that I'm
Speaker 2: writing because of how much he influenced my just.
Speaker 4: Corn dropping on your shoulders, got little freckles of popcorn,
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 2: Mean and everything, and yeah, and then of course I still,
Speaker 2: you know, I read poems to my son, and I
Speaker 2: know that that's because of David. Like every night I
Speaker 2: read poems.
Speaker 5: It's his influence is still there.
Speaker 3: Huge, huge, We still say bothing costume.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was my only onset teacher, but I didn't
Speaker 4: know him well. I mean, he taught me for the
Speaker 4: first six months. Sen was a very good guy, but
Speaker 4: I certainly didn't have a relationship with the teachers like
Speaker 4: they did. I just had That's one of the things
Speaker 4: I'm really starting to realize a lot more about the
Speaker 4: podcast is we just had very different experiences on the show,
Speaker 4: And how incredibly profound four or five years is when
Speaker 4: you're twelve or seventeen. Oh my, oh yeah, you're different
Speaker 4: human beings. Forty two, forty three, forty seven, you're the
Speaker 4: same twelve and seventeen. It's your different creatures. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just it's a totally completely different experience.
Speaker 5: Shifting gears again, we were just going to keep shifting
Speaker 5: gears all. Something that I know you guys have spoken
Speaker 5: about watching the show is the in and out of characters,
Speaker 5: just like, oh, this person came up as an important
Speaker 5: figure and they're gone the next episode, and just the
Speaker 5: whiplash of that. I think that could kind of be
Speaker 5: mirrored in the onset experience for some people. With the
Speaker 5: actors coming in and out, and crew members coming in
Speaker 5: and out. And there's very much an experience as an
Speaker 5: actor when you're on a show, on a set, doing
Speaker 5: a play where family, where my people like, there's such
Speaker 5: an intense surge of love and community, and then it
Speaker 5: goes away when the show is over. And for some people,
Speaker 5: you know, obviously you stay in touch, but that can
Speaker 5: be really destabilizing. I guess, as we're seeing characters come
Speaker 5: in and out of the show, was that at all
Speaker 5: an experience for you guys as actors on the show,
Speaker 5: seeing the actors come in and out.
Speaker 4: I just want to tell a very, very brief story.
Speaker 4: I was doing a really crappy movie. I won't even
Speaker 4: say the name of it, but I was doing it
Speaker 4: with Chris Owen, who was on our show and was
Speaker 4: also on the.
Speaker 2: In the American Pie movies.
Speaker 4: And you know, you do these press junkets and the
Speaker 4: press always asks you the same five or six questions,
Speaker 4: and one of the reporters we were sitting there and said, so,
Speaker 4: you guys look like you're good friends.
Speaker 2: And we said, yeah, we are.
Speaker 4: We've become great friends in the set, and she said,
Speaker 4: are you going to continue when the movie ends? And
Speaker 4: without missing a beat. Chris went no, and I looked
Speaker 4: at him and he goes, let's be honest. We've both
Speaker 4: been in this industry. We know that we're going to
Speaker 4: say we're going to stay in touch, that we're going
Speaker 4: to talk a couple times on the phone afterwards, never
Speaker 4: really hang out again, and then we'll see each other
Speaker 4: at the next thing we do, and we'll be friends
Speaker 4: again on the next set whatever we're on, but we're
Speaker 4: not gonna be come And it was so honest, right
Speaker 4: and so real that my only response is he's right,
Speaker 4: He's absolutely right. That's one hundred percent what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: We're gonna exchange numbers, We're going to see each other
Speaker 4: at the rap party, We're gonna call each other a
Speaker 4: couple times, and then we're never going to see each
Speaker 4: other again until we've run into each other somewhere. And
Speaker 4: that's that's super exactly what it was. So, you know,
Speaker 4: I I felt it the most with Tony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe we're coming up on Tony's last episode.
Speaker 4: Almost leaving, and it was I've had this thing that
Speaker 4: I've done my entire life where I kind of can
Speaker 4: compartmentalize friendships. And I'm also one of those people where
Speaker 4: I'm a very much and this is not a good quality.
Speaker 4: I'm very much an out of sight, out of mind person,
Speaker 4: So I don't you know, Like Daniel and I always
Speaker 4: joke when we were on these podmeats World Live and
Speaker 4: we're on tour, we could be in Anchorage, Alaska for
Speaker 4: four hours trying to book a restaurant, and Rider will
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I'm meeting friends here. I went to
Speaker 4: I know one guy here that's friends with my friend Amy,
Speaker 4: who did so the six of us are meeting in
Speaker 4: a bar where we're like, wait a second, there's nine
Speaker 4: people in the town we're at, and you're having dinner with.
Speaker 2: Six of them.
Speaker 4: Everywhere we go, every single place, and at the last place.
Speaker 4: I looked at Ryder while he was sitting with his
Speaker 4: friends after a live show. We're exhausted. It's now twelve
Speaker 4: thirty at night. He's down in the bar, in the
Speaker 4: in the restaurant, in the hotel with friends, and I
Speaker 4: looked at him and I was like, Oh, you work
Speaker 4: at this. You're working at the relationships in your life
Speaker 4: because they're important to you, and even though you're exhausted
Speaker 4: and you want to tip over. Right now, it's more
Speaker 4: important for you to stay in the friendships you're with,
Speaker 4: So you're going to sit up and cultivate this friendship.
Speaker 4: And it was so amazing, and it was such a
Speaker 4: new perspective on friendship because again, I'm that guy where
Speaker 4: it's like, when I see it, I'll see you and
Speaker 4: we'll be great friends and we'll always be that way.
Speaker 4: But I'm I'm going to put in the minimal amount
Speaker 4: of effort the same way most people I know are
Speaker 4: going to put in the minimal amount of effort. And
Speaker 4: so to see somebody like Rider who it's like, No,
Speaker 4: this is what goes into being a friend, is I'm
Speaker 4: going to put in the time to be a friend
Speaker 4: was really something quite it's extraordinary to watch it is.
Speaker 4: And I saw that with Tony. I mean Tony and
Speaker 4: I talked about this. I was the first call both
Speaker 4: times Tony had a child.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And then the second he left we were both kind
Speaker 4: of just out of each other's lives and we worked
Speaker 4: at it for a bit and then luckily we've come
Speaker 4: back into each other's lives and like the last even
Speaker 4: before the podcast, we had really gotten you know, back
Speaker 4: together with each other's lives. But it was one of
Speaker 4: those things that writer's right. I mean, a friendship is
Speaker 4: you know, if you take it for granted, it's going
Speaker 4: to die like a plant. You know, you gotta feed it,
Speaker 4: you gotta water it, you gotta cultivate it. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: it's a mister foeneism.
Speaker 3: Got to bury bodies in the back.
Speaker 2: But it's true. I mean it's it's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But to see somebody like that where you see
Speaker 4: you can tell he's exhausted, but he's like, no, I'm
Speaker 4: that's he's my friends. My friends are here, and I
Speaker 4: don't get to see him much, and so I'm going
Speaker 4: to take the time to go and work on this friendship.
Speaker 2: It's really amazing.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's I felt that with a lot of
Speaker 4: people that left the set. But then I shut it off.
Speaker 2: That's just how I am.
Speaker 4: I closed that part of me off and I'll see
Speaker 4: you when I see you. So yeah, as an adult
Speaker 4: to see how to cultivate it, it made makes a big difference.
Speaker 2: But I do think it's healthy to do that. Like
Speaker 2: I think with set relationship in particular, like there's just
Speaker 2: there's there is such an intensity to acting together or
Speaker 2: working together collaborate, you know, collaborating on a project. Like
Speaker 2: I've had actors like you know the amount of hugging
Speaker 2: and like we're gonna love each other and then like
Speaker 2: you just don't. Like I think that Chris is absolutely right,
Speaker 2: and I think that that it's super healthy to recognize.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I actually prioritized my my non
Speaker 2: boy meets World friendships during boy Meets World, like I
Speaker 2: prioritize my friends back home and da da da da da,
Speaker 2: and I I really worked on those friendships and it's
Speaker 2: it's it's not because like during our experience in Boymet World,
Speaker 2: I didn't feel the loss that much. Like I really
Speaker 2: didn't like when people left or da da da. Now
Speaker 2: I do. Like now now I think about Tony and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, Like what a great guy
Speaker 2: I should have you know, recognized how great it was
Speaker 2: to have him in my life, Rusty like these people
Speaker 2: that you know that now I do have a friendship
Speaker 2: with and I do call and talk to and like
Speaker 2: want to work on. But I think that's the exception
Speaker 2: that proves the rule. I think that you know, I
Speaker 2: think like our connection the three of us is like
Speaker 2: so intense at this point, you know, and not just
Speaker 2: because of the podcast. The podcast I think is a
Speaker 2: result of that friendship. Actually agree, you know, but I
Speaker 2: think at this point now we're like we're stuck with
Speaker 2: each other forever, Like we're gonna, you know, the Five
Speaker 2: Guys is gonna end, but we're still gonna be at
Speaker 2: each other's houses and having dinners every couple of months.
Speaker 2: Like it's like a thing now.
Speaker 4: And we have the Locker Texas Ranger one next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got thirty seven seasons of that to get.
Speaker 2: But no, Yeah, but I just don't think. I don't
Speaker 2: I don't think it was actually our default like emotional
Speaker 2: connection back then to be like, oh, guest stars and
Speaker 2: other actor like it was just a whirlwind and it was,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's actually okay, Like I think
Speaker 2: that's pretty healthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 4: I think recognize it, like Chris said, where it's like
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna be here while we're here and
Speaker 4: then we're gonna move on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally a lot of credit because that's I think
Speaker 5: every actor has experienced that.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, absolutely, and I do.
Speaker 2: I do. I do think there is there is a
Speaker 2: certain type of relationship. Like when I think about the
Speaker 2: kids we call ourselves the cabin kids, the kids from
Speaker 2: Cabin Fever. We're all forties, maybe even fifties some of them.
Speaker 2: But like the like, the last time we had dinner
Speaker 2: together was probably ten years ago and it was one
Speaker 2: of the greatest dinners of my life. And I know
Speaker 2: that they feel the same way. So like when we
Speaker 2: will do it, it'll be amazing, you know, and it'll
Speaker 2: be this.
Speaker 5: Like, oh my god, but we don't again.
Speaker 2: Yes, it'll just be like this, oh, and you know,
Speaker 2: we'll probably have the same ten conversations would you remember this?
Speaker 2: And you know, and then we'll be like, Okay, well
Speaker 2: that was good enough for another ten years, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: You know, it's fine. We're not going to be in
Speaker 2: each other's lives. These two were stuck with each other
Speaker 2: in each other's lives now. But that's the exception that
Speaker 2: proves the rule. I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it also, unfortunately, this industry also forces friendships a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, where it's like family, Yeah, but it's also you
Speaker 6: stay friends with people years that maybe you probably shouldn't
Speaker 6: have and maybe you know, it's like if you were
Speaker 6: to meet as adults you would not like each other
Speaker 6: at all, right, but the fact that you have this
Speaker 6: shared history and we're friends, we're supposed to be friends.
Speaker 4: You're kind of fighting for this thing that maybe shouldn't
Speaker 4: have been there ever, yep, and so it's, uh, you
Speaker 4: get that a lot too. And it's and you tend
Speaker 4: to hold on to things a little longer than you
Speaker 4: probably should have.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's a strange industry for the relationship that's
Speaker 5: founded on more than just boy meets world. Of course
Speaker 5: that is killer, but you've all done the work to
Speaker 5: cultivate a relationship outside of it, which is stands the
Speaker 5: test of time.
Speaker 2: I think for non for non actor people, it's the
Speaker 2: equivalent to summer camp. Right, It's like summer camp relationships,
Speaker 2: and like that's what I remember, Like, you know, part
Speaker 2: of the reason that Marian broke up with me back
Speaker 2: in the day, if I do say so, if it's
Speaker 2: because she always went to summer camp, and when she
Speaker 2: went to summer camp, she would fall in love with
Speaker 2: some guy and she would come back and just be like,
Speaker 2: well camp, I was in the Blue Color team, and
Speaker 2: I would just be like, still have dooging about camp?
Speaker 2: Is not real life? You know, but for her it
Speaker 2: was like, you know, and then I think about like,
Speaker 2: you know, when you do a play when you're a
Speaker 2: kid too, when you're like, oh theater, camp or theater,
Speaker 2: Oh the love, it's going to change your life. And
Speaker 2: then of course you never see each other.
Speaker 5: Yes, unbelievably healing, and then it's off the next one. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 5: well again, kind of coming back to the show and
Speaker 5: where you guys are at in the recap, at being
Speaker 5: more adolescent. Something that came up in a recent episode
Speaker 5: talking about the idea of of double standards with with
Speaker 5: Eric dating one of Amy's friends, which just can't even
Speaker 5: get into that storyline, brought up the idea of double
Speaker 5: standards to me and I was curious for to hear
Speaker 5: Danielle's perspective on being a female on a very male
Speaker 5: dominated set. What was your experience with double standards? I mean,
Speaker 5: as you were growing up kind of becoming more adolescent,
Speaker 5: your dating life was very public. Were there double standards
Speaker 5: that you noticed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think so, I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: definitely in the later seasons when I finally you know,
Speaker 1: I was the youngest on the show, So when I
Speaker 1: moved out of my parents' house and I.
Speaker 3: Was now eighteen nineteen and.
Speaker 1: Started going out. Other cast members were going out, and
Speaker 1: we're going to clubs, and but there was definitely a like, oh,
Speaker 1: Danielle's Daniell's lost it, like Danielle's and also I'm part
Speaker 1: of it, fast girl.
Speaker 3: Other jacket, done jacket all otherwise.
Speaker 2: Likely you got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was definitely some of that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that was also very much the time, not
Speaker 1: so much even just being on a male dominated set.
Speaker 1: It was very much the time that like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was not just okay, it was cool to be
Speaker 1: a male who had a hop in social life and
Speaker 1: dated women and went out all the time and you know,
Speaker 1: strolled into work, and but if you were a woman
Speaker 1: doing that, it was like, you know, especially now, what
Speaker 1: I will say is, especially on our set, where it
Speaker 1: was kind of the family friendliness of it also kind
Speaker 1: of became like a moral judgment where it was it
Speaker 1: wasn't just family friendly, it was also morally judgmental. So
Speaker 1: there there was some of that, but that was not
Speaker 1: until way later. And it also didn't help that my
Speaker 1: attitude by the time the show ended, my attitude about
Speaker 1: being there was really poor. I just didn't want to
Speaker 1: be there, and I couldn't hide it anymore.
Speaker 3: I just just was like, I want this to be over.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of that was Also,
Speaker 1: I was very uncomfortable in my skin in those last
Speaker 1: few seasons. I just wanted to just like exist outside
Speaker 1: of myself and I couldn't, and so a large part
Speaker 1: of that felt like I just want to be out
Speaker 1: from under the eyes of America and the eyes of
Speaker 1: these particular people who I know are judging me.
Speaker 2: It's the only time I ever snapped at you. I
Speaker 2: remember yelling at you once.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you not remember that one towards the end
Speaker 4: it was like seventh season, and you did. You had
Speaker 4: an attitude and you sat there backstage and you're likeugh,
Speaker 4: I just don't want to be here anymore. And I
Speaker 4: turned around and just screamed at you.
Speaker 3: Then get out.
Speaker 4: It's like, there's the door, go, What the hell's keeping
Speaker 4: you here? Like I just lost it because I was like,
Speaker 4: rider didn't want to be there. You didn't want to
Speaker 4: be there, and I just wanted to keep going. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm having so much fun, I'm enjoying my life, and
Speaker 4: nobody around me is appreciating this, And I just remember
Speaker 4: just screaming at you, like get the fuck out right,
Speaker 4: and yeah, go and go, and you kind of like,
Speaker 4: cause I know, because you and I never had a
Speaker 4: problem with each ever, know, and so it was that
Speaker 4: kind of like you like snapped to attention, like oh god,
Speaker 4: like what the hell? And you still it didn't change
Speaker 4: your attitude all on. You had every right to feel
Speaker 4: whatever you had to feel. But I remember I was like,
Speaker 4: cause I never yell, I'm not the yell guy ever.
Speaker 4: And I think you were like, oh my god, Wow,
Speaker 4: they'll just yelled at me.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: I think what you don't realize sometimes when you're a
Speaker 1: kid is like you feel like you're just venting, like
Speaker 1: you're just saying all these things. I feel like I
Speaker 1: have these feelings, I have to express them. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: tired of this. I feel creatively stifled. I'm missing out
Speaker 1: on my real life. I want to go do all
Speaker 1: these other things. I've got great plans and this show
Speaker 1: is stopping me from doing it. And what you don't
Speaker 1: realize is how that sounds to all the other people
Speaker 1: who feel now like they're a part of it. And
Speaker 1: like Will said, For Will, it was the greatest thing,
Speaker 1: Like he loved it. He didn't want to stop doing it.
Speaker 1: If we could have done season.
Speaker 3: Eight, nine, ten, and eleven, he.
Speaker 1: Would have been like, yeah, sign me up. I'll be
Speaker 1: the first person to work in the last person here.
Speaker 1: And that is a frustrating feeling to be like, my god,
Speaker 1: everybody around me is just a sour puss.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was that was hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, was that I don't want to say the words scary.
Speaker 5: That's not the right word, but but was it scary
Speaker 5: at all? For you Will to hear everybody else's investment,
Speaker 5: just go down and know for yourself, like I'd love
Speaker 5: to keep going if.
Speaker 2: We were all of them.
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't scary.
Speaker 2: It was upsetting. Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: It's like it it hurt me to know that, cause again,
Speaker 4: the acting that they brought it every time, So it
Speaker 4: was never like, oh my god, it's affecting their performances
Speaker 4: or they're not taking it seriously. It was never that
Speaker 4: because the acting was always there. I mean by that
Speaker 4: by the end, we were all so into our characters
Speaker 4: that we could have done it in our sleep.
Speaker 2: Frankly.
Speaker 4: But you know something, again, I've talked on this podcast
Speaker 4: so many times about how important television is to me
Speaker 4: and to reach this goal that I'd wanted to do
Speaker 4: for so long, and to be you know, towards the end,
Speaker 4: have a couple people around me that that I loved
Speaker 4: so much that just weren't happy. I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: combination of you want your friends to be happy, first
Speaker 4: of all, but you also don't want them to denigrate
Speaker 4: the thing that's making you so happy. So it was
Speaker 4: it was a weird combination of the two. But it's
Speaker 4: also again, it's such an age thing. I probably would
Speaker 4: have been doing exactly the same thing had I been
Speaker 4: thirteen when I started. You know, it's you know, and
Speaker 4: I'm sure even Rusty and Betsy had a much different
Speaker 4: look than I did, where they're such the journeyman actors
Speaker 4: that they were probably like, you take your job where
Speaker 4: you get it, you take your paychecks where you get it.
Speaker 4: You're professional the entire time. And then Bill, being had
Speaker 4: been in the business for fifty years by that point,
Speaker 4: would have had a different perspective than even Rusty and Beth.
Speaker 4: So I think as you grow as a person, you're
Speaker 4: also growing in the profession. You're growing and your idea
Speaker 4: of what you're doing at the time is going to
Speaker 4: change every time you're there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: I had already signed deals with ABC, so I knew
Speaker 4: that I was rolling right into something else, so that
Speaker 4: it wasn't about the work for me, It was about God,
Speaker 4: why do you not love this the way I love this?
Speaker 4: And it's because at the time, they had a thousand
Speaker 4: of kids, they had a thousands of things doing, they
Speaker 4: were growing to be adults. They were doing it in
Speaker 4: the public eye. I mean, my god, Danielle, by that
Speaker 4: point was had to be Topanga, which was now already iconic,
Speaker 4: and you're with this. It's Corey and Tapanga. That's a
Speaker 4: thing now Corey and Tapanga, and the country is voting
Speaker 4: on whether they're going to get married. I mean to
Speaker 4: do that in the public eye and at the same
Speaker 4: time be like, why can't I just be seventeen somewhere?
Speaker 4: I couldn't imagine what that was like and I never
Speaker 4: had to deal with it, So yeah, you you know,
Speaker 4: you also have to walk a mile in somebody else's shoes,
Speaker 4: where we would get that a lot too, where it's
Speaker 4: like you want to shake somebody and go, why aren't
Speaker 4: you just happy doing this, and I'm sure she wanted
Speaker 4: to shake back and go because you didn't have to
Speaker 4: do it the way I did.
Speaker 2: So it's uh, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I think about very stress experience, I think, Man,
Speaker 1: what a life to like, Go show up to work,
Speaker 1: get to be funny all the time.
Speaker 2: Your your role.
Speaker 1: For the most part, there's gonna be a few episodes
Speaker 1: that are very heavy on you and emotionally connected, and
Speaker 1: you're always great, but for the most part, you are
Speaker 1: always the comedic relief. So no matter what's going on
Speaker 1: that week, you're getting laughs, like you're getting validation on
Speaker 1: a sitcom, which the number one thing you can do
Speaker 1: is get somebody to laugh. You're getting a week after week,
Speaker 1: day after day, partially because that's your character, and mostly
Speaker 1: because you're just that funny and you're making any moneier.
Speaker 1: And you had the best time doing that, Like that
Speaker 1: was feeding your soul and then like that was your
Speaker 1: it was your dream come true too, Like I was
Speaker 1: a child, this is all I want. You're finally doing it.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And then the minute you're done with your scenes,
Speaker 1: you might have three or four hours in the middle
Speaker 1: of the day to go with a friend you consider
Speaker 1: to be like a best friend who works on the show,
Speaker 1: and you get to go do something else Like that'd
Speaker 1: be like my life now on a show if I
Speaker 1: were an adult on a kids show, ultimately in the
Speaker 1: middle and you're making tons of money and you're not
Speaker 1: that famous either, so you can still go anywhere you
Speaker 1: want to go and do anything you want to do.
Speaker 2: It's perfect.
Speaker 1: But I do remember when we did Girl Meets World,
Speaker 1: feeling like looking at the kids and seeing them feel
Speaker 1: stressed about the school work they had to do, the premieres,
Speaker 1: they had to go to, the fashion events they wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of, the now navigating the social
Speaker 1: media world social media and looking at them and going
Speaker 1: everyone is going to tell you that this is supposed
Speaker 1: to be the most fun and wonderful and lovely experience
Speaker 1: of your life, and that we are a family and
Speaker 1: you better appreciate it and love it. And what I
Speaker 1: want to tell you is if you need to come
Speaker 1: in here and cry about how miserable you are, I
Speaker 1: promise you I understand.
Speaker 3: And and there's only so.
Speaker 1: Many people you can do that with, because everyone else
Speaker 1: is going to look at you and go on a
Speaker 1: show star of a kid's show and you get to
Speaker 1: do happy sayings. Yeah, why are you living it up?
Speaker 1: But also it's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. And the idea of social media now I
Speaker 5: can't I can't even imagine that. And I was thinking
Speaker 5: about in the cruise episode. I was like, one, do
Speaker 5: they do things like that anymore where you could go
Speaker 5: on cruises with celebrities, because that just seems like.
Speaker 3: A crazy Yeah.
Speaker 1: The back Kids on the Block, New Kids on the
Speaker 1: Block has Andrea Barber goes on the New Kids on
Speaker 1: the Block cruise and.
Speaker 3: She loves it. It's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it's so like writer was talking about in
Speaker 5: that episode. The accessibility is frightening. It's so intense. And
Speaker 5: I was thinking about, like, wow, I guess nowadays, I
Speaker 5: guess they do do these kind of cruises. But also
Speaker 5: social media has kind of played that role of giving
Speaker 5: fans what they think of access. It's a little bit
Speaker 5: more able to be moderated or controlled, hopefully by by totally.
Speaker 4: And we'll find out when we do pod Meats World
Speaker 4: Live on the Seas Start.
Speaker 2: You think he's joking. They literally pitched me, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, and they're gonna keep pitching me.
Speaker 5: A lot of people signing up.
Speaker 2: Right, if we did a Pod Meats pod.
Speaker 4: Meets World Live Baby.
Speaker 2: The Open why don't we do Pod meets the Open
Speaker 2: Sea and I just helicopter in for.
Speaker 4: Like one, like two hours, like I'll just like.
Speaker 3: Your favorite actress of all time.
Speaker 2: See, I just want to I just want to create goop. Guys,
Speaker 2: this is all I wanted the mail to. You do
Speaker 2: you do? Yeah, I'll sell jackets like this and I'll
Speaker 2: just and I'll land my helicopter for like two hours.
Speaker 2: I'll come in, I'll grace everybody with my presence and then.
Speaker 3: T G I F thank god it's floating.
Speaker 1: We love it.
Speaker 4: We love it. You know that would sell? All right?
Speaker 4: So to all the cruise people who clearly listen to
Speaker 4: the show, because I'm sure all the Cruis executives are,
Speaker 4: just call Rider. We'll be there. We will be there.
Speaker 4: Make him your point person.
Speaker 5: He'll be like the guy on the Lido deck with
Speaker 5: you know, just running the events kind.
Speaker 1: Of yes, you can find him in shorts and boots.
Speaker 2: Just don't injure me and make me dance.
Speaker 4: Please, just go right, everybody dance.
Speaker 1: I love, Kira, maybe you can come on the cruise
Speaker 1: with us. You can help, you can help keep.
Speaker 2: She could just have her office hours for me. Like,
Speaker 2: as long as I've got nine to ten with cure,
Speaker 2: I'm fined. Let's just download I cry either.
Speaker 5: I don't know what that might bring up for me.
Speaker 2: All we have to do is just play Counting Crows.
Speaker 2: We just have the speaker set up, so I come in,
Speaker 2: we listen to August and everything after, start to finish
Speaker 2: and cry together, and then I go back and it's fun.
Speaker 4: Wow, it sounds like an awesome cruise. Sign me up
Speaker 4: in a buffet rider crying and a buffet.
Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm so in, Kira, thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: with us. I guess I'll give you an opportunity if
Speaker 1: I'm about ready to. Is there any last question that
Speaker 1: you didn't get to that you really want to get.
Speaker 3: In before we wrap up this episode, Like.
Speaker 5: Cause I wanted to because I know we're on the
Speaker 5: cusp of season four right. Yes, obviously there's memories that
Speaker 5: you hold of what storylines are about to come up,
Speaker 5: But what do you all hope to see for your
Speaker 5: characters walking into this next season what do you want
Speaker 5: to happen for them?
Speaker 4: I'll go first because I can do this very quickly.
Speaker 4: I think Eric is just going to become more Eric.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to cement himself as b story guy,
Speaker 4: which I'm totally fine with. But for actual storylines, I
Speaker 4: don't know where that I remember the first one because
Speaker 4: I remember it was we shot the thing with the
Speaker 4: whole yogurt cup. I believe that's episode one, season four.
Speaker 4: But other than that, I don't know what's coming. I
Speaker 4: just know he's going to get a little crazier, and
Speaker 4: I'm hoping maybe season four is the first Phoenie call,
Speaker 4: because we haven't had one yet, so.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see.
Speaker 5: I think Danielle, it's probably for you. Just being on
Speaker 5: the show would be yes.
Speaker 3: I would love to be there every week. I hope
Speaker 3: season four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are season four? Season four? You're a regular? Yeahah,
Speaker 2: you must although wait no, you were you're regular by
Speaker 2: season three, but you were like thirteen out of right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you could still be under that contract now. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I hope I'm in every week of season four. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see and what I'm really very
Speaker 1: excited about is that there are It's a kind of
Speaker 1: a toss up for the audience, the people who write
Speaker 1: to us every week about episodes and things we think
Speaker 1: and things we say. The majority of people seem to
Speaker 1: think that seasons three and four are like peak best
Speaker 1: seasons of Boy Meets World, But the real majority says
Speaker 1: season four is just banger after banger after banger. So okay,
Speaker 1: I am very excited to see what season four has
Speaker 1: in store, and I'm extremely hopeful that I am more
Speaker 1: of a part of it because I think that'll just be.
Speaker 3: Fun to like be like now this is what I remember,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to Yeah, I'm just I
Speaker 2: think the show's been getting Like I think season three
Speaker 2: seemed pretty good to me.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, it had some some ups and downs,
Speaker 4: but I think every season is gonna have ups and downs,
Speaker 4: and I do I think it was good.
Speaker 5: Less grease references.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we're hoping. I'm trying to season four. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 2: it's Tony's last episode, which is going to be a
Speaker 2: super dramatic one with lots of tears. That's the famous
Speaker 2: one with the center, and then I guess maybe my
Speaker 2: do I drink in season four? Is that? Or is
Speaker 2: that season five? I don't know.
Speaker 4: No, no, because because Trina is in the drinking episode,
Speaker 4: isn't she She's season four one.
Speaker 3: Of them got a couple of drinking episodes.
Speaker 2: I love of God. We'll see anyway. Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be a good season, probably because I
Speaker 2: will be living in my own apartment in my real
Speaker 2: life and probably a much happier writer, So hopefully that
Speaker 2: means I will be bringing it performance wise a little
Speaker 2: bit more cool.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much for having me back on.
Speaker 5: It's been so much fun and I just love getting
Speaker 5: to to check in with you guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: We'll see you again at the end of season four.
Speaker 5: Sure, and at that point we might have the cruise
Speaker 5: and the works.
Speaker 3: Who knows exactly.
Speaker 1: We may be on the open seas. You may be
Speaker 1: with us, who knows. Kira, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. Kira can be found on social media at
Speaker 1: Kira Muscara or online at Kiramscara dot com.
Speaker 3: That's k I E r A m U s c
Speaker 3: a r.
Speaker 1: A dot com. Kira, thank you again for being with us.
Speaker 1: It's always such a pleasure, and you always managed to
Speaker 1: find the right mix of heart and honest, truthful questions.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And we appreciate you being such a loyal listener and
Speaker 1: you are You're truly the perfect mix of like fan
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World and of the podcast and true
Speaker 1: professional who makes us feel very at home and comfortable
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: And we appreciate you very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's the thank you.
Speaker 5: Thanks so I'm glad to hear that. Thank you guys
Speaker 5: so much for me back.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you again soon.
Speaker 3: Oh, that was a wonderful episode. Well how did you feel?
Speaker 1: I know you're you're always the one who's less open
Speaker 1: book than writer, and I I'm fine.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 4: I think it's I think from an emotional kind of standpoint,
Speaker 4: it was just a much different experience for the three
Speaker 4: of us. I think there's a lot more therapeutic unpacking
Speaker 4: that would come from your both your times on Boy
Speaker 4: met Ware.
Speaker 2: Well, what about as we get into anxiety stuff? I
Speaker 2: mean we must be.
Speaker 4: Getting well that you will know exactly when that is
Speaker 4: that will certainly hit, but that's between season six and
Speaker 4: season seven. Yeah, I have that to look forward to.
Speaker 2: You're right, I do have that to look forward. I
Speaker 2: have that to look forward to it. So it really didn't.
Speaker 2: You didn't start having those those feelings until season six
Speaker 2: or seven.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 2: No, it was right.
Speaker 4: It was while in the middle of shooting h double
Speaker 4: hockey sticks, right in the middle and the take. Actually
Speaker 4: they used it so I can point to it and
Speaker 4: go first panic attack, yeah, so and then again and
Speaker 4: then I put on a whole bunch of weight. So man,
Speaker 4: you had never had panic attacks before that, not a
Speaker 4: single thing. For I think once in Amsterdam when I
Speaker 4: had smoked.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think because the only panic
Speaker 2: attacks I've ever had when I smoked too much weed.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was I think one time I spoke too
Speaker 4: much weed, but that was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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