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Speaker 4: Really, how about how about knuckle funkle. How about the

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Speaker 4: flapp clap knuckle funkle few mouth.

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Speaker 2: Flap knuckle funkle. One more time, I'm gonna lose my susiness.

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Speaker 4: It gets no, I'm knuckle knuckleunkle.

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Speaker 4: There are so many that's what That's what she said

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Speaker 1: My gosh, welcome to Pod meets knuckle Funkle.

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Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or strong, and I'm will

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 1: An experiment that went right from the last season of

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Speaker 4: Hey guy, Hello, good to see you again.

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Speaker 2: I just got anxious, I just got.

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Speaker 2: Now, No, not at all.

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Speaker 4: it was, uh, yeah, it was Yeah, it was. It

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00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 4: was just two different things. So I try to jump

441
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 4: in where I can.

442
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 2: But I mean they there.

443
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 4: Adolescence on the show and growing up on the show,

444
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 4: and and for a lot of reasons, for especially writer,

445
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 4: but Danielle as well. Towards the later seasons, they were

446
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 4: more famous than I was, if that makes sense. So

447
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 4: they just had kind of a different run than I did.

448
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think just now it was like an

449
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 5: adult experience of going.

450
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: To work and then I hang out with my friends

451
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: and I.

452
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: Would that's exactly what I do.

453
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 4: I go to I'd go to work, I lived by myself,

454
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 4: I'd go grocery shopping, I'd do my laundry. I mean,

455
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 4: I just I was having a much different experience. I

456
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 4: wasn't dealing with the parent dynamic. I wasn't there, you know,

457
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 4: I just didn't. I wasn't dealing with school anymore. I mean, like,

458
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 4: I just it was just a much different And at

459
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 4: that point I was thirty five. I just happened to

460
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 4: be eighteen, So it was it was just a different life.

461
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

462
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely so aware of adolescent writer now, like

463
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 2: ninety five ninety six, that would have been just peak

464
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 2: angst miserable writer. Actually, I mean I was. I was

465
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: actually really just becoming who I would become, you know,

466
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 2: Like I was definitely you know, going through relationship issues

467
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: which I can see like with the Pig episode, or

468
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,959
Speaker 2: like when I started noticing like down performances and you know,

469
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: based on a conversation on last Heartbroken Rider, you know,

470
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: I've tried to be a little like right, that's probably

471
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: when I was going through this breakup, and that's why

472
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 2: I was not delivering like a high energy performance or whatever.

473
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm so much more aware of that now. And I

474
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: was also struggling with my mom a lot in this period,

475
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: like Danielle can remember, like carpooling with I'm driving. I

476
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: was learning to drive, so had my drivers per my

477
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: mom had to be in the car with me, and

478
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be independent so bad, and I

479
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: wanted my mom to know how easily I could be

480
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: on my own, and I just needed to make her

481
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: feel as bad as possible and as dumb as possible

482
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: and as like I just I just tortured her for

483
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: like that. The entire year, and I remember this period

484
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: like you know. And then once I turned sixteen, I

485
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 2: got my own apartment, I became you know, But a

486
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: lot of my interests are still my interests, Like I

487
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: started really getting into movies and poetry and philosophy and

488
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 2: so like I see little writer going through like becoming

489
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: who are you know, the kind of the same stuff

490
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm into now, just cranked up emotionally, like I look craging. Yeah,

491
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: I basically feel like I was on drugs these Like

492
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: when I look back on this period, I'm like, oh

493
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: my god, Like the highs were so high, the lows

494
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: were so low. It was like life or death every

495
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: single day. And then of course that translated onto screen,

496
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: like you can see that Sean is so dramatic, and

497
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: I feel like the writer were clearly seeing me in

498
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: real life going through these things and tapping into it,

499
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: I think quite effectively. So that's every teenager though everything

500
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: is life and death. You're fourteen, it's like this is

501
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the worst thing that's ever

502
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: happened to me. Totally Yeah, it's all right, but you

503
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: see it on screen too, right, like Sean clearly being

504
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: recent too for this drama and like, I, you know,

505
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: I was, I was playing into it.

506
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

507
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Well, And I think also one of the things that's

508
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: been really funny and interesting and just cool about where

509
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: we are in this stage of life is that with

510
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: us being in our forties, older than the adult actors

511
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: were at this time that you know, they're on Boy

512
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: Meets World, we are relating so much more to those

513
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: adult characters when we watch the episodes. But also I'm

514
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: relating to our parents and what they were going through

515
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: raising us while we were on the show. And so

516
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: having our families come on the show or some of

517
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: our parents come on the show and talk about what

518
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: we were like has brought a lot of those memories.

519
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: Like my mom said to me to what Writer's point was,

520
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: she said, after listening to Lynn and King's episode, she said,

521
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, do you remember how Writer You know some

522
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: of the fights that Writer and his mom would have.

523
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: And I said why, I mean, I remember that, Yeah,

524
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: that they would get into big arguments, and she said,

525
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: it's so funny because Writer would never do this now,

526
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 1: and seeing him as a parent, she said, but he was.

527
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: He was mean to her. He was he was mean

528
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: to his mom.

529
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: And she said and he you know, he was he

530
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: cursed and he had no problem just yelling and cursing

531
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: at her. And it's just we think now we think

532
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: about ourselves as writer with Indie and how I mean writer,

533
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: how heartbroken would you be?

534
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: Will I be? When will you be? When calling me?

535
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: And and I'm.

536
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 5: Gonna say that's such a common experience. I think so

537
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: many of us would look back on adolescents go, my god,

538
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 5: I was so mean to my parents, my siblings or

539
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 5: whoever it is. And so it's it's almost inevitable in

540
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 5: a way, but harsh for you guys to have it

541
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: really paralleled.

542
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: And uh well, I think the real problem was that

543
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: we were empowered, right, Like the whole power dynamic is inverted.

544
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: Like here my mom has given up, you know, like

545
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: a lot of parents, they've given up their life to

546
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: you know, are parts of their life to support you

547
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: fulfill your dreams. You fulfill your dreams. But in our

548
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: case it's so extreme, and we walk onto a set

549
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 2: every day where no one cares about them, where they

550
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: have no power. They are literally the also rants who

551
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: have to be there, but like they don't have authority

552
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: over the kids because our hours are being dictated by

553
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: the show and the state laws regarding school and so,

554
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: like my mom, we're also being hampered, the entire hampered

555
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: and being catered to and being told we're so brilliant,

556
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: we're so great, the only reason that any of us

557
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: are here and getting paid. You know, I'm making more

558
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: money than my mom and my dad at this age.

559
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: Like that's crazy, right, Like and so I'm I, I yeah,

560
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: I have this horrible memory I may have talked about

561
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: on the show, but like my mom was was on

562
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: her exercise like treadmill or whatever our house and Encino,

563
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: and I just I said something and she just she's like, rider,

564
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: come back, and I like walked into the room and

565
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: she stopped the machine and just fell apart, and she's like,

566
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: why do you hate me? And I remember just being

567
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: like I I don't. I just I don't, you know,

568
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: And I felt so bad, but she was just so

569
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: honest and like you hate me, Like why do you

570
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: hate me so much? And I just had to be

571
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: like you as a fellow human, yes, not as like

572
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: a parent trying to control me or to tell me

573
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: that I'm doing something wrong, but just you know, finally

574
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: expressing how she was feeling, which is like she felt

575
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: like I hated her, and sure enough I was, I'm sure,

576
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: just constantly letting her know how she was messing up

577
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: or not, like, you know, reaching my standards at fifteen,

578
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: you know, my high standards of how humans should be,

579
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: and you know, and of course it's all exacerbated by

580
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: the fact that, like, I'm on a set where other

581
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: adults treat me as an adult. They never talk down

582
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: to me, if anything. You know, if you're below the

583
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: line crew, you're going to be replaced before the actors

584
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: are right. So by third season, even though we're kids,

585
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 2: we have more power than almost anybody on that set.

586
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: You know, there's really only the writing, producers and directors

587
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: who have any authority over us. And that's a really

588
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: complicated dynamic with children. And that's you know, and I

589
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: think that it just went. You know, even though I

590
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: think we were all good people, it can't help but

591
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: affect our behaviors and go to our heads to a

592
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: certain degree and distort the world. It's like looking at

593
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: a carnival mirror every day. And so it distorted my

594
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: world to the point where I thought I was better

595
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: than my mom, smarter than my mom, more capable than

596
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: my mom, and I let her know that in my

597
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: everyday interactions with her, which is so horrible. And then

598
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, when I did get my own apartment, everything

599
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: did kind of normalize, you know, but in retrospect, like

600
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have had to have been that drastic, you know,

601
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: like I should have been able to adjust a little

602
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: bit and respect my mom a lot more, you know.

603
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we have a great relationship now, but it

604
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: basically that period like fourteen into sixteen was so awful.

605
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and already so different than earlier in the series,

606
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: where I know, like you spoke in the first few

607
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 5: episodes or the first season, there was a fear of

608
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: will I be replaced? And is this show going to

609
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 5: take off? Are they gonna like my character? What's gonna happen?

610
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 5: It sounds like by this point in the series there's

611
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 5: an over confidence of the show can't exist without me,

612
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 5: because now we know where the secret sauce. And so

613
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 5: that's a huge flip in itself. And I was curious

614
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: how your all of you, your relationship I guess maybe

615
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: less for Will because he was a little older, but

616
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 5: what your relationship looked like or how it changed with

617
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 5: I guess I'll say the quote unquote the authorities on

618
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 5: the show, you know, like the Michael Jacobs, the people

619
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: running the show. How did that dynamic shift at all

620
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: as you got older and there was more of that

621
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: confidence in yourself on set?

622
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: I'll say I definitely there was definitely a point where

623
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: I had more confidence to be relaxed and kind of

624
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, those first two seasons especially, I was like

625
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: not gonna be yeah, I was kind of like who

626
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: all the time, and I wouldn't have felt real comfortable

627
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: making jokes or like just being relaxed around the people

628
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: with power who could or could not, you know, maybe

629
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: fire me. I know that by the time we reached

630
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: this point in time, there was a lot more fun

631
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: Like I did feel more comfortable, I felt more confident.

632
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: I felt like one of the team. I felt like

633
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: a member of the family. And even though I don't

634
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: know that the I don't know that the fear of

635
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: being fired left until I was like in season five,

636
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: but certainly here not the show really, I know, I'm

637
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: still only there a few times, so like you know,

638
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: it's I was just happy to be back every time

639
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: and so and I didn't know if I was going

640
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: to be in the next week or not, So I know,

641
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: I definitely got to be a little bit more you know, comfortable.

642
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: But I do think the you know, the relationship I

643
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: had with my parents, I never, once ever, in the

644
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: history of my relationship with my parents, ever questioned whether

645
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: or not they were proud of me. Like I always

646
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: knew that my parents were proud of me, that they

647
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: supported me, and that they were willing to do anything

648
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: in order to help me pursue my dreams. If my

649
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: dreams were to stay on this show and to do

650
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: this show forever, then they were going to help me

651
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: do that. If my dreams were you know what, I

652
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: changed my mind, I don't want to do this anymore,

653
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: they would have done anything in their power to do that.

654
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: But the relationships that I had on set with Michael

655
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: and with certain directors was definitely more of a I

656
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: want to make them proud. What am I going to

657
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: How can I get their approval this week? What can

658
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I do to make them be proud of me? What

659
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: can I do that'll get me a good note in

660
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: a note session? And if you don't get a good note,

661
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: if you actually get a criticism, how can I turn

662
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: that around, and being so excited for the opportunity to

663
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: turn it around could get that kind of feedback. So

664
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe a relationship most people have with

665
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: either teachers in their life at school or their parents.

666
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: And yet my family, that relationship was super stable, and

667
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I had to work for work

668
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: for the support, but I did feel like I was

669
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: always like a little bit on at work, like how

670
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: do I get this validation?

671
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 5: So there was almost more of a hook or a

672
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 5: buy in rather than I was wondering if it was

673
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: maybe the opposite of being like I'm over it now,

674
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 5: I don't need to listen to this, you know, ten

675
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 5: hour note session or criticism.

676
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: There was more of a.

677
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: Buy in then, Oh, for sure, I was.

678
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: I had become perhaps addicted to the cycle of go

679
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: to note session, get a criticism, do better the next day,

680
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: get admiration for that, and then go on, you know,

681
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: get the adrenaline high of a tape night with a

682
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: live studio audience, and then the unknown of whether or

683
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: not you were going to get a criticism that you

684
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: needed to turn around in front of the audience, or

685
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: if it was just going to be a great night

686
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: for you where for some reason every decision you made

687
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: or thing you did worked. So yeah, I that part

688
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: had kind of become addicting.

689
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting, No, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean Rider,

690
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 5: with everything you were saying, it pulled out so many

691
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: different threads that I actually kind of wanted to talk about.

692
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because as we're recording this, the episode

693
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 5: that came out today is the episode where you guys

694
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: talked about the cruise, and I had this morning like

695
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: all right, maybe i'll listen to it quick, just in

696
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: case there's anything I want to reference, And there was

697
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: a lot in there. I did not expect that from

698
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 5: an episode about a cruise, something that God, the so

699
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 5: much of it kind of pulled up my tug down

700
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 5: my heart strings. And I think something that was interesting

701
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 5: that you talked about was and I don't know if

702
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: this is something that you necessarily all felt, but I

703
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 5: think a lot of former child actors have spoken about

704
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 5: is the pressure and the responsibility they end up feeling

705
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 5: as like the breadwinner of their family and supporting their

706
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: parents and kind of how their status and their success

707
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: unlocks doors for their family's dreams to come true too.

708
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 5: And I know you kind of spoke a little bit

709
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 5: about that with your grandparents really wanting to go on

710
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 5: the cruise and being able to give that to them.

711
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: Got to give them that cruise before they die, of.

712
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 5: Course, like anyone in that position would feel that way.

713
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: And I was curious if any of you, not that

714
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 5: necessarily came from your parents putting that pressure on you,

715
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 5: but did any of you feel that internal pressure throughout

716
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: the course of the series, knowing that your success, your money,

717
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 5: your status maybe meant something to your family or supported

718
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: your family in a way.

719
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: No, I mean that's that example of the cruise is

720
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: kind of the only thing I can point to. I

721
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: think that there was. There was, there's definitely a sense

722
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, I mean no, the story that I

723
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: actually didn't tell, we got around it a little bit

724
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: with when my parents were on the show, but I

725
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: don't think I actually told the whole story, which I

726
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: have told before in interviews, is that when when I

727
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: when Maureen broke up with me and I was falling apart,

728
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: and I said I wanted to leave the show backstage

729
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: my dad, I think, actually, Danielle, you asked my dad, like,

730
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: when why do I wanted to quit acting? How did

731
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: you feel about it, and you were asking I think

732
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: about like as an adult, and my dad thought you

733
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: were referencing this story which was back when we were

734
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: when I was fifteen and I was on the show.

735
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: I had a breakdown. We were taping, I think it

736
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: was a pre tape before, you know, but they were

737
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: the whole whole set was waiting for me, and I

738
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: just fell apart. I started in the makeup rooms because

739
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: Lori Heaps remember remembers me there, and I just I

740
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: felt like my relationship had fallen apart because I was

741
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: down in LA and I was away from my friends

742
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: and my you know, my girlfriend, and that my whole

743
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: life had been ruined by Boy Meets World and that,

744
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: you know, that was my perspective. And my dad was

745
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: there and I was crying. We moved from the makeup

746
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: into the dressing room and I had my breakdown and

747
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: fell apart and talked to me and and I said,

748
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: I just you know, I just was I don't want

749
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: to be here, I don't want to do this anymore.

750
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm done with this, like I can't. I need, you know.

751
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: And my dad said, okay, that's it. We will get

752
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: up right now. We will walk onto the stage. I

753
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: will tell them we were taking you home. We were

754
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: breaking that contract. I don't, I don't give up, like

755
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: we're out here, this is you are way more important

756
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: and are you know your like you know, health is

757
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: like way more important and so you know, screw this.

758
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: And it was amazing, you know, and I believed him,

759
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: like I knew that he would do that and it

760
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: was so important and he actually he literally said like

761
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: I don't I I don't care about Michael. I don't care.

762
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: We are leaving. We are going to do this, like

763
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: I don't. You don't you don't owe anything to these people,

764
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: Like we'll get out of this contract. It is so

765
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: much more important that you are okay and happy, and

766
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, that's what I needed, Like I just needed

767
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: to know that my parents were going to be there

768
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: no matter what. And yeah, horrifically I told that story

769
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: in our twenties at an event Michael brought us to

770
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: his temple to do an event. You guys remember this

771
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: where we all like yeah, yeah, And I told that

772
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: story and Michael chimed in and said, no, wouldn't let

773
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: you leave. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have let you

774
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: do that. And that was a horrible moment. Like I

775
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: remember looking at him and going, do You're gonna undermine

776
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: my story when I just told that story about like

777
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: how my dad was supporting me, Like.

778
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and undermine your parent?

779
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, mind my parent again at twenty

780
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: four or whatever, had to just get that in there.

781
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: Well we're you know whatever. Yeah, so there you go.

782
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 2: But for me personally, that was an incredibly empowering important

783
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: moment that I knew my parents were gonna love me

784
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: and support me no matter what if I was.

785
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: It's interesting I said that story, and I'm like on

786
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: the verge of tears of like that moment you have

787
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 5: with your parents, Like you see even kids who are

788
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 5: like so intensely in school and the parents who were like,

789
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 5: like you said, we'll get you out of here, I'll

790
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 5: give you school, we'll figure it out.

791
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: All that matters is that your mental health or that

792
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: you're you know, supported, and that we love you. And

793
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: like I needed that so bad, you know at that.

794
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: Age, Like and writer, then what did you what did

795
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: you say?

796
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: Did you end up saying like no, let's not do that,

797
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: let's not leave right now.

798
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just held my my dad held me, like

799
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 2: I cried in his arms and like I just remember,

800
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: like I think Jeff McCracken came back. I remember Jeff

801
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: coming back, and you know, because Jeff was like a

802
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: father figure to me, and my dad and him had

803
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: a great relationship. And I remember Jeff opening the door

804
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: and being like, what are we doing and my dad

805
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: being like, you know, no, like we need more time.

806
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, I remember saying, like to Jeff, like,

807
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: can we please have just some more time? And I

808
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: just sat with my dad, I think for like fifteen

809
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: twenty minutes while the whole crew waited, and I just

810
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: my dad calmed me down and we talked, and I

811
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: said okay, and he's like, look, if you really do

812
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: want to leave, like we don't have to do it

813
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: right now, but if you want to figure out how

814
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: to get out of this contract, we can do it

815
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: down the road if you just want to finish today.

816
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: And you know, so we're not all waiting right now,

817
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: and Jeff's waiting outside in the hallway, and I remember

818
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 2: being like, Okay, I can do this job. I can

819
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: emotionally get through this, you know. And I remember my

820
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: dad talking about how it's so funny like I was

821
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: asking him about like how because he was telling me

822
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: about how he and my mom had broken up at

823
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: one point before they got married, you know, because he

824
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: was trying to relate to me I was going through

825
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: a breakup really, like really what was happening was a

826
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: teenage boy had a broken heart and his dad was

827
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: trying to make him feel better. And so I remember

828
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: being like, didn't it hurt? Didn't it feel like it

829
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: was the end of the world, you know, and he

830
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: was just like, yes, you know, but as you get old,

831
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: he just talked me through the breakup ultimately, and that's

832
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: what it really was, you know. And then I just

833
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: knew like my dad understood that I was going through

834
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: something where I had a broken heart and he may

835
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: and he was like, look, if you know, if we

836
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: can just get through today, time heals all this stuff,

837
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: like you will feel better. Like I ultimately felt better,

838
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, I ended up with your mom, but you know,

839
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: I had heartbreak. It's fine, and I did. I was

840
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: like okay, And I remember just like getting ready feeling

841
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: like I didn't look like I was crying anymore, and

842
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: being like, Okay, I'm going to go do this and

843
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: then try and get out of the contract for boy

844
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: Meets World down the line, which I did for the

845
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: next like two or three years. I tried, you know,

846
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: I didn't. I was never had like that kind of breakdown,

847
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: but I did want to do other jobs and I

848
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: wanted to get away from Boymet's World. But yeah, but

849
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: you know, that was like such a defining moment for

850
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: my relationship with my parents, and you know that dynamic

851
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: that you're referencing, like, I never felt like they needed

852
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: me or or or I had to do this for them.

853
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: It never wants.

854
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Will and I similarly, Will's parents are lawyers,

855
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: and Will wasn't supporting his family and my parents.

856
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't supporting my family. There were times where.

857
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: It was cool to be able to use you know, like, oh,

858
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: they're shutting the park down for our families, you know,

859
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: the cast and crews of all the ABC shows. Once

860
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: a year, they would us down there in buses and

861
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: we got to bring our siblings and friends. And there

862
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: were times when the perks were really cool. But I

863
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: never felt like any sort of pressure to keep doing

864
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: the job because there were perks that my family needed

865
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: or wanted. And I actually think it's one of the

866
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: things that makes all of us been included a little

867
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: rare in entertainment industries that all of our family, none

868
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: of our families relied on us for those things. So yeah,

869
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: I thankfully No, I did not have any sort of

870
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: that pressure feeling either.

871
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: Yeah. No. And I loved so much as a listener

872
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 5: hearing you bring your parents on because they're just as

873
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 5: much of a part of it as all of you were.

874
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 5: They were you know, when you're that age, your parent

875
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 5: is like, yeah, they're speaking for you a lot of times.

876
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 5: And it was an interesting just is so beautiful to

877
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 5: hear how fiercely they all advocated for all of you.

878
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 5: Sounds like even Will saying like you know your dad

879
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 5: over contracts and not letting people pulling over on you

880
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 5: like that is so what a gift. And I think

881
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 5: what I loved hearing is that all of your parents

882
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 5: were like, the second that stops being fun, we're out

883
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: of here, like the writer said, And I guess rider,

884
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 5: can you speak a little bit more too, and maybe

885
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 5: you have in previous episodes? What did keep you in?

886
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 5: Because it sounds like it did hit a wall where

887
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: it stopped being fun, and obviously your parents were like, Okay,

888
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 5: that's fine, let's walk away, But you stayed in. What

889
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 5: were the factors that kind of kept you in?

890
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: I think I just got old enough to have more

891
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: of my own independence, you know. Once I was sixteen,

892
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: I got my own apartment, and I started going to college,

893
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: and I just you know, I found my own things,

894
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: and boy Meet's world then became a pretty great job,

895
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: you know, because then it was like a day job

896
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: while I could pursue all the things I started to

897
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: care about more about, like traveling the world, you know.

898
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: And then I think I started to see the benefits

899
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: of like having money. I was able to pay for

900
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: my own college education, like that was never a concern, like,

901
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: and that was just you know. And I think when

902
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: I started to see my friends at sixteen get dishwashing jobs,

903
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: Like all my best friends were like literally dishwashers or

904
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: you know, normal like teenage jobs and like working their

905
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: asses off to be able to afford to go to

906
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: college or take student loans. And I was like, oh,

907
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: I can I can do whatever I want, Like I

908
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: can go anywhere, like I can, you know, And that

909
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: was empowering. And then I was like, oh, okay, I

910
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: need to I just need to be okay with this job.

911
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: It was creatively, it was very unsatisfied. It was still

912
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: creatively very unsatisfied. I you know what, Like like I

913
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: wanted to be DiCaprio. I wanted to be doing like

914
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: really dramatic movies and awesome you know, and I wasn't

915
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: getting those parts. I was considered a TV sitcom kid

916
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: actor and that hurt, Like that was really frustrating for me,

917
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: and so I railed against the show in that regard.

918
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: But I remember in my in my actual day to

919
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: day life, I was having fun, and like I started

920
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: having much more fun on the set sixteen on, like

921
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: once we were all hanging out, and like I was

922
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: like Will had started the show, you know, more of

923
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: a like capable adult. It was I had fun, Like

924
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: I just we laughed every time we were on set.

925
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: So I think from a transition from being like, oh

926
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: this is this is so miserable for me and I'm

927
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: creatively unhappy to just this is actually a really great gig.

928
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm just creatively unsatisfied. And that's on me, you know,

929
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: I just have to go do other things, and you know,

930
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: and this is part of the reason why I'm not

931
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: an actor anymore. And I'm sure you've dealt with this

932
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: with clients, is that you you aren't in control of

933
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: the project you're in, you know, and that and like

934
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 2: the best and happiest actors are the ones who are

935
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: who come to terms with that, who have like a

936
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: piece with that, where they're just like, you know what,

937
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: just show up and do my part of this job,

938
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: which is.

939
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 5: Love the job no matter what it is.

940
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of have to, like you can't always

941
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: you can't have that like other part of your brain

942
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: that's like putting it in context or trying to tell

943
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: the whole story. And no, you have to like commit

944
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: to your corner of this story or your corner of

945
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: this project. And like, now that I've directed, I can

946
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: see that those are the actors that I love working with, Like,

947
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: oh my god, the ones who are just like what

948
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: do you need? Where do I go? And they just commit,

949
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: you know, And like I found it harder and harder

950
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: to commit because I kept being like, yeah, but this

951
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: movie kind of sucks or this episode is not great

952
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: or didn't.

953
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 5: Really you have to genuinely enjoy it, yeah.

954
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know that's just my my

955
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: adult brain started taking over and made me less of

956
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 2: an actor, Like I just became I became a worse

957
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: actor as my you knows, as I'm matured, and you know,

958
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: for better or worse in life, I don't know, but

959
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: either way, I definitely started to enjoy just being around

960
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: these guys and being on set and like it was

961
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: so much fun.

962
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 5: Well, I want to shift gears a little bit. I

963
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 5: mean what you mentioned about that story with Michael, where

964
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 5: it sounds like there was still an experience as an

965
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: adult of I guess kind of having the power people

966
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 5: on set still having some control over you to and

967
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: some control over maybe what you're feeling, what you would

968
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 5: have done, even that story that it happened in hindsight,

969
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 5: still kind of inserting that there ye something that I heard,

970
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 5: and I don't want to say which episode, but there

971
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 5: was an episode of the podcast that it sounded like

972
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: there was still a little bit of that of someone

973
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 5: kind of telling you what your experience was, telling you

974
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 5: what they thought you felt at that time, even if

975
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 5: that's not what you were saying as an adult, and

976
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 5: I'm very checkyse. Something I admire about the podcast is like,

977
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: there isn't this desire to say who's right, who's wrong,

978
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 5: Whose perspective was the correct one, who wasn't. It's just

979
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 5: a collection of what was everyone's perspective of the time

980
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 5: exactly me as a listener, that felt like such a

981
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 5: sharp contrast of someone really trying to tell you what

982
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 5: the experience was, even if that's not what you felt.

983
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: And I was just curious how that is for you

984
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: guys as adults, to have someone tell you what your

985
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 5: experience was.

986
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 3: It's funny.

987
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: I think one of the things we can all agree

988
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: on is that there have been times with different people

989
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: that we worked with who have since the podcast has

990
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: come out, who have written us or spoken to us

991
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: about different things that have come up on the podcast

992
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: or different episodes, and we realize how much those dynamics

993
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: that were at play back then have not in their

994
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: minds changed at all, where they still think of us

995
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: as kids, and where they think, you know, they feel

996
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: comfortable saying something to us like I heard so and

997
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: so say.

998
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: Something on the podcast and that's not true.

999
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: So you need to apologize to so and so and

1000
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: an author parent.

1001
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: Like Wall.

1002
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: First of all, it's not something even we said. You

1003
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: heard someone else say something from their po the that

1004
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: you're saying isn't true. Also, you're not even the person

1005
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: in the story, so you're not even saying, hey, someone

1006
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: said something about me and I want.

1007
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: To correct it.

1008
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: You're stepping in on behalf of someone else to say

1009
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: that what somebody else said wasn't true, and now we

1010
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: owe this other person an apology. And there is there's

1011
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a feeling where you know,

1012
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: Will is the nicest, kindest, sweetest person in the world

1013
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: and is so respectful and loving of every single person

1014
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: we worked with on on every from every facet of

1015
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: crew top to bottom.

1016
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: Will's the loveliest.

1017
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: And yet I remember when this, this particular example happened,

1018
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: Will was like, I think I need to say something,

1019
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: and if he did, he responded in a very polite

1020
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: but direct way of like, I hear you, but I

1021
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: don't need to apologize and we are not going to.

1022
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 5: So you know, O did that feel for you?

1023
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 4: Will?

1024
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 5: To be now in a position as an adult to

1025
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 5: say that.

1026
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: It felt fine? I mean, I think it's one of

1027
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: those things where it's it's it's I don't have to

1028
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 4: worry about my perception of myself. It's it's other people's

1029
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: perception of me that occasionally needs to be corrected. So

1030
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: it's the idea where it's I'm not fifteen anymore or

1031
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: sixteen anymore, So don't talk to me like I am,

1032
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 4: because what's going to come back as a forty seven

1033
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 4: year old man and it might not be great. So, yeah,

1034
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen often. I mean I can count on

1035
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 4: one hand the number of times. I mean, there's a

1036
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 4: number of reasons for that. I'm I don't like conflict,

1037
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: but I also find that most of the time I

1038
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: can avoid it, whether by comedy or talk just straight

1039
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: talking through it. But then there's times where you have

1040
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: to kind of say no, I check your tone right.

1041
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: So that doesn't happen often, but when it does, you

1042
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: have to say something.

1043
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1044
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

1045
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 3: I was really proud of Will.

1046
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Honestly, I was proud of him because and not because

1047
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Will is the type to be walked all over. I've

1048
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: never seen Will be walked all over. But I very

1049
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: I very infrequently see Will in any sort of conflict situation.

1050
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: And I know for me, when I read the email

1051
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: in particular, we were talking about my insides turned bright,

1052
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: which is a normal reaction for me. My insides turned

1053
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: bright red, and I was like wanted to breathe out

1054
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: fire of.

1055
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: Like, who does as far as I think they are And.

1056
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: To you know, I was so thankful that Will is

1057
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: the one who handled it because with you know, strength,

1058
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: but also being very polite. He responded, I am not

1059
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: a child, and it feels as though, by the way

1060
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: you spoke to me, you think that perhaps I still am,

1061
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: and I would just like to remind you that I'm not.

1062
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: And so thanks for your email, but we will not

1063
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: be We will not be doing that. And yeah, so

1064
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: that that aspect of still working with if you want

1065
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: to call it working with we don't really work with

1066
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: them now on the podcast, but if we are going

1067
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: to call that having people on, making it a collaborative experience,

1068
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: seeing that for some people there hasn't been a shift

1069
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: in the way they think of us or you know,

1070
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: and it is hard. I think I appreciate you saying

1071
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: that one of your favorite aspects is that it really

1072
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: is us inviting people on to share their povs and

1073
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: not giving commentary about whether it's right or wrong, or.

1074
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: Good or bad.

1075
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: That is one of our shared goals from before this

1076
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: even got off the ground, was. We want to be

1077
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: a safe place for anyone and everyone to come on

1078
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: and share their experiences.

1079
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: And we are not going.

1080
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: To dictate what those experiences are. We are not going

1081
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: to lead you down a direction that tell that will,

1082
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, guide you into a positive story. We're not

1083
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: going to lead you in a direction that's going to

1084
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: guide you into a negative story. You share what you're

1085
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: comfortable with and what your experiences are, good, bad, indifferent,

1086
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: and we will highlight those. We will, we will give

1087
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: you a space to share those. And yeah, that's that's

1088
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: been one of my favorite aspects of it as well.

1089
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: I think like the clearest example of that is like

1090
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: the Tapanga name story, Like the fact that we have

1091
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: so many versions of you know, the Rasham and effect

1092
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: of like everybody has their memory, and like I love

1093
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: that We're not our goal is not to determine which

1094
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: one's the right one, but like I'd love to keep

1095
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: presenting them, you know, like I would love I want

1096
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: to keep hearing those stories and like and so I

1097
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: think I think sometimes people might you know, people that

1098
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: we worked with, or people even just listeners might be

1099
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: upset by something that we're telling is a memory or

1100
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: like one of our experiences. But it's our experience, you know,

1101
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 2: Like if I have a memory or I have a story,

1102
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, and like somebody could come on and say, no,

1103
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: I never said that, Okay, but I have this memory

1104
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: and I have this experience, and this is our podcast,

1105
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: and this is our show. Does like tell those stories

1106
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: and tell those memory reason you know, we're not. Our

1107
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: goal is not to arrive at a truth or a

1108
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: definitive version of history. Our goal is to collectively compile

1109
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: these memories into what hopefully is a fun listening experience

1110
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: where we can all share along and be like, oh right,

1111
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: we're all uncovering this together, and and you know, and

1112
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: maybe we'll do it again in twenty more years. Looking

1113
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: we'll just listen to episodes of this podcast and talk

1114
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: about what our persons. Maybe it'll just be our kids,

1115
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: It'll be Indian Adler. Oh my gosh, you remember when

1116
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: our parents kept running at the other room and.

1117
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: Your stepdaughter, fifty year old LEXI, I.

1118
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 5: Love it well speaking about I guess we were speaking

1119
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 5: abou kind of your support systems during that time, being

1120
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 5: your parents. And another perspective I loved hearing was from

1121
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 5: the onset teacher and I kind of just wanted to

1122
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 5: hold some space for the loss of David Combs. I

1123
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 5: know that is an incredibly significant loss, and I I

1124
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 5: can't fathom how it's been to keep forging forward looking

1125
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 5: back at these memories as you're also processing that loss

1126
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 5: in real time, and so I just want to say,

1127
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 5: I just want to hold space for that. And I

1128
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 5: was also curious if if you had had the chance

1129
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 5: to have him on the podcast, what would you have

1130
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 5: wanted to ask him or say.

1131
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I get emotional.

1132
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 5: Just I.

1133
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: Don't know that I don't know that I know how

1134
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: to really process his death. I don't know that I

1135
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: definitely haven't had time. I probably haven't really like probably

1136
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: haven't done some real like whatever work I would need

1137
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: to do to actually process it. We've been in such

1138
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: like a wonderful busy whirlwind with the podcast live tour,

1139
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: and it's.

1140
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: Meant that.

1141
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: It's made it easier to avoid dealing with than to

1142
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: really I mean, Writer and I haven't even talked about

1143
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: it face to face, which is weird because I know,

1144
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, obviously right it affects writer and I and

1145
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: Ben the most, but because you know, Will didn't ever

1146
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: really get schooling with him, So of course it's more

1147
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: significant for us than it is for Will, but it is.

1148
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: It's weird that writer and I haven't even talked about

1149
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: it face to face because I know it affects us

1150
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: both so significantly. And I think if you know, and

1151
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: less writer has less, writer disagrees. But I don't know

1152
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: that writers really processed it either.

1153
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 5: No.

1154
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of what I feel is, uh,

1155
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: just regret that I didn't stay in better touch with him,

1156
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: you know. And I think when we started the podcast.

1157
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: Part of starting the podcast was being excited at the

1158
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: prospect of reconnecting with him and being able to give

1159
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: him credit where credits due and let him know personally

1160
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: the way that we've been able to let Wesley know

1161
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: personally how much?

1162
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, yeah.

1163
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wisha wish I could assu him him again.

1164
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1165
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 3: I hope he's watching somewhere. I hope he's I hope

1166
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: there's a podcast station in heaven. He's always tuned into

1167
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: pod Meats World.

1168
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: It's the only playing yeah, for him, at least, hopefully

1169
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: not for everybody there, Like.

1170
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: What's this new podcast station?

1171
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: I I gotta say, I.

1172
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely love us, But if he's in a place where

1173
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 4: all that plays is pod Meets World.

1174
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: It ain't Heaven people, dun.

1175
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: Radio. You know, it's all Pods World all the time,

1176
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 4: and it's very hard.

1177
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's a lot of Hondai commercials.

1178
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's let's be honest with ourselves.

1179
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 5: It's a we wish him that he listens to it,

1180
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 5: but he gets a break too, for sure.

1181
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: He gets to tune in when he wants and watch

1182
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: episodes of Boys World once again. Shakes.

1183
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I kind of just wanted to a little

1184
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 5: space for that because thank you talk a lot about parents,

1185
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 5: and it seems like he played a very you know,

1186
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 5: formative as well.

1187
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: No, And like I said on the end of that episode,

1188
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 2: like I write, I'm writing with David in my head

1189
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: every day, and you know, I feel like he is

1190
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: over my shoulder, like literally in the words that I'm

1191
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: writing because of how much he influenced my just.

1192
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: Corn dropping on your shoulders, got little freckles of popcorn,

1193
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 4: and I.

1194
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: Mean and everything, and yeah, and then of course I still,

1195
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, I read poems to my son, and I

1196
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: know that that's because of David. Like every night I

1197
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: read poems.

1198
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 5: It's his influence is still there.

1199
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: Huge, huge, We still say bothing costume.

1200
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was my only onset teacher, but I didn't

1201
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: know him well. I mean, he taught me for the

1202
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: first six months. Sen was a very good guy, but

1203
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 4: I certainly didn't have a relationship with the teachers like

1204
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 4: they did. I just had That's one of the things

1205
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: I'm really starting to realize a lot more about the

1206
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 4: podcast is we just had very different experiences on the show,

1207
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 4: And how incredibly profound four or five years is when

1208
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 4: you're twelve or seventeen. Oh my, oh yeah, you're different

1209
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 4: human beings. Forty two, forty three, forty seven, you're the

1210
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 4: same twelve and seventeen. It's your different creatures. I mean,

1211
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 4: it's just it's a totally completely different experience.

1212
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 5: Shifting gears again, we were just going to keep shifting

1213
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 5: gears all. Something that I know you guys have spoken

1214
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 5: about watching the show is the in and out of characters,

1215
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 5: just like, oh, this person came up as an important

1216
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 5: figure and they're gone the next episode, and just the

1217
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 5: whiplash of that. I think that could kind of be

1218
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 5: mirrored in the onset experience for some people. With the

1219
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 5: actors coming in and out, and crew members coming in

1220
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 5: and out. And there's very much an experience as an

1221
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 5: actor when you're on a show, on a set, doing

1222
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 5: a play where family, where my people like, there's such

1223
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 5: an intense surge of love and community, and then it

1224
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 5: goes away when the show is over. And for some people,

1225
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: you know, obviously you stay in touch, but that can

1226
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 5: be really destabilizing. I guess, as we're seeing characters come

1227
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 5: in and out of the show, was that at all

1228
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 5: an experience for you guys as actors on the show,

1229
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: seeing the actors come in and out.

1230
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 4: I just want to tell a very, very brief story.

1231
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: I was doing a really crappy movie. I won't even

1232
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 4: say the name of it, but I was doing it

1233
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 4: with Chris Owen, who was on our show and was

1234
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 4: also on the.

1235
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: In the American Pie movies.

1236
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 4: And you know, you do these press junkets and the

1237
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: press always asks you the same five or six questions,

1238
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 4: and one of the reporters we were sitting there and said, so,

1239
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 4: you guys look like you're good friends.

1240
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: And we said, yeah, we are.

1241
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 4: We've become great friends in the set, and she said,

1242
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 4: are you going to continue when the movie ends? And

1243
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 4: without missing a beat. Chris went no, and I looked

1244
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 4: at him and he goes, let's be honest. We've both

1245
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 4: been in this industry. We know that we're going to

1246
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 4: say we're going to stay in touch, that we're going

1247
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 4: to talk a couple times on the phone afterwards, never

1248
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: really hang out again, and then we'll see each other

1249
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 4: at the next thing we do, and we'll be friends

1250
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 4: again on the next set whatever we're on, but we're

1251
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 4: not gonna be come And it was so honest, right

1252
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 4: and so real that my only response is he's right,

1253
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 4: He's absolutely right. That's one hundred percent what's going to happen.

1254
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 4: We're gonna exchange numbers, We're going to see each other

1255
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 4: at the rap party, We're gonna call each other a

1256
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 4: couple times, and then we're never going to see each

1257
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 4: other again until we've run into each other somewhere. And

1258
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 4: that's that's super exactly what it was. So, you know,

1259
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 4: I I felt it the most with Tony.

1260
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe we're coming up on Tony's last episode.

1261
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 4: Almost leaving, and it was I've had this thing that

1262
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 4: I've done my entire life where I kind of can

1263
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 4: compartmentalize friendships. And I'm also one of those people where

1264
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 4: I'm a very much and this is not a good quality.

1265
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 4: I'm very much an out of sight, out of mind person,

1266
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 4: So I don't you know, Like Daniel and I always

1267
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 4: joke when we were on these podmeats World Live and

1268
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: we're on tour, we could be in Anchorage, Alaska for

1269
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 4: four hours trying to book a restaurant, and Rider will

1270
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I'm meeting friends here. I went to

1271
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 4: I know one guy here that's friends with my friend Amy,

1272
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 4: who did so the six of us are meeting in

1273
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: a bar where we're like, wait a second, there's nine

1274
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 4: people in the town we're at, and you're having dinner with.

1275
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: Six of them.

1276
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 4: Everywhere we go, every single place, and at the last place.

1277
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 4: I looked at Ryder while he was sitting with his

1278
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: friends after a live show. We're exhausted. It's now twelve

1279
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: thirty at night. He's down in the bar, in the

1280
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 4: in the restaurant, in the hotel with friends, and I

1281
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 4: looked at him and I was like, Oh, you work

1282
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: at this. You're working at the relationships in your life

1283
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 4: because they're important to you, and even though you're exhausted

1284
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: and you want to tip over. Right now, it's more

1285
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 4: important for you to stay in the friendships you're with,

1286
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: So you're going to sit up and cultivate this friendship.

1287
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 4: And it was so amazing, and it was such a

1288
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 4: new perspective on friendship because again, I'm that guy where

1289
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 4: it's like, when I see it, I'll see you and

1290
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 4: we'll be great friends and we'll always be that way.

1291
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 4: But I'm I'm going to put in the minimal amount

1292
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 4: of effort the same way most people I know are

1293
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 4: going to put in the minimal amount of effort. And

1294
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 4: so to see somebody like Rider who it's like, No,

1295
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: this is what goes into being a friend, is I'm

1296
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 4: going to put in the time to be a friend

1297
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 4: was really something quite it's extraordinary to watch it is.

1298
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 4: And I saw that with Tony. I mean Tony and

1299
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 4: I talked about this. I was the first call both

1300
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 4: times Tony had a child.

1301
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 4: And then the second he left we were both kind

1303
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 4: of just out of each other's lives and we worked

1304
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 4: at it for a bit and then luckily we've come

1305
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 4: back into each other's lives and like the last even

1306
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 4: before the podcast, we had really gotten you know, back

1307
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 4: together with each other's lives. But it was one of

1308
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 4: those things that writer's right. I mean, a friendship is

1309
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 4: you know, if you take it for granted, it's going

1310
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 4: to die like a plant. You know, you gotta feed it,

1311
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: you gotta water it, you gotta cultivate it. Oh my god,

1312
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 4: it's a mister foeneism.

1313
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: Got to bury bodies in the back.

1314
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: But it's true. I mean it's it's true.

1315
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, But to see somebody like that where you see

1316
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 4: you can tell he's exhausted, but he's like, no, I'm

1317
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 4: that's he's my friends. My friends are here, and I

1318
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: don't get to see him much, and so I'm going

1319
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 4: to take the time to go and work on this friendship.

1320
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: It's really amazing.

1321
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's I felt that with a lot of

1322
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 4: people that left the set. But then I shut it off.

1323
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: That's just how I am.

1324
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 4: I closed that part of me off and I'll see

1325
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 4: you when I see you. So yeah, as an adult

1326
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 4: to see how to cultivate it, it made makes a big difference.

1327
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 2: But I do think it's healthy to do that. Like

1328
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: I think with set relationship in particular, like there's just

1329
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: there's there is such an intensity to acting together or

1330
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: working together collaborate, you know, collaborating on a project. Like

1331
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: I've had actors like you know the amount of hugging

1332
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: and like we're gonna love each other and then like

1333
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: you just don't. Like I think that Chris is absolutely right,

1334
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: and I think that that it's super healthy to recognize.

1335
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: And I feel like I actually prioritized my my non

1336
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: boy meets World friendships during boy Meets World, like I

1337
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: prioritize my friends back home and da da da da da,

1338
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: and I I really worked on those friendships and it's

1339
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: it's it's not because like during our experience in Boymet World,

1340
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: I didn't feel the loss that much. Like I really

1341
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: didn't like when people left or da da da. Now

1342
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: I do. Like now now I think about Tony and

1343
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, Like what a great guy

1344
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: I should have you know, recognized how great it was

1345
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: to have him in my life, Rusty like these people

1346
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: that you know that now I do have a friendship

1347
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: with and I do call and talk to and like

1348
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: want to work on. But I think that's the exception

1349
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 2: that proves the rule. I think that you know, I

1350
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: think like our connection the three of us is like

1351
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: so intense at this point, you know, and not just

1352
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: because of the podcast. The podcast I think is a

1353
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: result of that friendship. Actually agree, you know, but I

1354
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: think at this point now we're like we're stuck with

1355
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: each other forever, Like we're gonna, you know, the Five

1356
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 2: Guys is gonna end, but we're still gonna be at

1357
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: each other's houses and having dinners every couple of months.

1358
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: Like it's like a thing now.

1359
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 4: And we have the Locker Texas Ranger one next.

1360
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got thirty seven seasons of that to get.

1361
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: But no, Yeah, but I just don't think. I don't

1362
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it was actually our default like emotional

1363
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: connection back then to be like, oh, guest stars and

1364
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 2: other actor like it was just a whirlwind and it was,

1365
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: and I think that that's actually okay, Like I think

1366
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: that's pretty healthy.

1367
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do.

1368
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 4: I think recognize it, like Chris said, where it's like

1369
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna be here while we're here and

1370
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 4: then we're gonna move on.

1371
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally a lot of credit because that's I think

1372
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 5: every actor has experienced that.

1373
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, absolutely, and I do.

1374
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: I do. I do think there is there is a

1375
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: certain type of relationship. Like when I think about the

1376
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: kids we call ourselves the cabin kids, the kids from

1377
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: Cabin Fever. We're all forties, maybe even fifties some of them.

1378
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: But like the like, the last time we had dinner

1379
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: together was probably ten years ago and it was one

1380
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: of the greatest dinners of my life. And I know

1381
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: that they feel the same way. So like when we

1382
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: will do it, it'll be amazing, you know, and it'll

1383
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: be this.

1384
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 5: Like, oh my god, but we don't again.

1385
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: Yes, it'll just be like this, oh, and you know,

1386
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: we'll probably have the same ten conversations would you remember this?

1387
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: And you know, and then we'll be like, Okay, well

1388
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: that was good enough for another ten years, and that's fine.

1389
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's fine. We're not going to be in

1390
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: each other's lives. These two were stuck with each other

1391
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: in each other's lives now. But that's the exception that

1392
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: proves the rule. I think.

1393
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it also, unfortunately, this industry also forces friendships a lot.

1394
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, where it's like family, Yeah, but it's also you

1395
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 6: stay friends with people years that maybe you probably shouldn't

1396
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 6: have and maybe you know, it's like if you were

1397
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 6: to meet as adults you would not like each other

1398
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 6: at all, right, but the fact that you have this

1399
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 6: shared history and we're friends, we're supposed to be friends.

1400
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 4: You're kind of fighting for this thing that maybe shouldn't

1401
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 4: have been there ever, yep, and so it's, uh, you

1402
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 4: get that a lot too. And it's and you tend

1403
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 4: to hold on to things a little longer than you

1404
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 4: probably should have.

1405
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's a strange industry for the relationship that's

1406
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 5: founded on more than just boy meets world. Of course

1407
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 5: that is killer, but you've all done the work to

1408
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 5: cultivate a relationship outside of it, which is stands the

1409
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 5: test of time.

1410
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: I think for non for non actor people, it's the

1411
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: equivalent to summer camp. Right, It's like summer camp relationships,

1412
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: and like that's what I remember, Like, you know, part

1413
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: of the reason that Marian broke up with me back

1414
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: in the day, if I do say so, if it's

1415
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: because she always went to summer camp, and when she

1416
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: went to summer camp, she would fall in love with

1417
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: some guy and she would come back and just be like,

1418
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 2: well camp, I was in the Blue Color team, and

1419
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: I would just be like, still have dooging about camp?

1420
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: Is not real life? You know, but for her it

1421
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: was like, you know, and then I think about like,

1422
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, when you do a play when you're a

1423
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: kid too, when you're like, oh theater, camp or theater,

1424
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: Oh the love, it's going to change your life. And

1425
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 2: then of course you never see each other.

1426
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 5: Yes, unbelievably healing, and then it's off the next one. Absolutely, yeah,

1427
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 5: well again, kind of coming back to the show and

1428
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 5: where you guys are at in the recap, at being

1429
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 5: more adolescent. Something that came up in a recent episode

1430
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 5: talking about the idea of of double standards with with

1431
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 5: Eric dating one of Amy's friends, which just can't even

1432
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 5: get into that storyline, brought up the idea of double

1433
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 5: standards to me and I was curious for to hear

1434
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 5: Danielle's perspective on being a female on a very male

1435
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 5: dominated set. What was your experience with double standards? I mean,

1436
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 5: as you were growing up kind of becoming more adolescent,

1437
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 5: your dating life was very public. Were there double standards

1438
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 5: that you noticed?

1439
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think so, I think, uh, you know,

1440
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: definitely in the later seasons when I finally you know,

1441
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: I was the youngest on the show, So when I

1442
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: moved out of my parents' house and I.

1443
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 3: Was now eighteen nineteen and.

1444
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: Started going out. Other cast members were going out, and

1445
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: we're going to clubs, and but there was definitely a like, oh,

1446
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: Danielle's Daniell's lost it, like Danielle's and also I'm part

1447
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: of it, fast girl.

1448
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: Other jacket, done jacket all otherwise.

1449
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: Likely you got it.

1450
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was definitely some of that. But you know,

1451
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: I mean that was also very much the time, not

1452
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 1: so much even just being on a male dominated set.

1453
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: It was very much the time that like, you know,

1454
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: it was not just okay, it was cool to be

1455
01:09:55,240 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: a male who had a hop in social life and

1456
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: dated women and went out all the time and you know,

1457
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: strolled into work, and but if you were a woman

1458
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: doing that, it was like, you know, especially now, what

1459
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: I will say is, especially on our set, where it

1460
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: was kind of the family friendliness of it also kind

1461
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: of became like a moral judgment where it was it

1462
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: wasn't just family friendly, it was also morally judgmental. So

1463
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: there there was some of that, but that was not

1464
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: until way later. And it also didn't help that my

1465
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: attitude by the time the show ended, my attitude about

1466
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: being there was really poor. I just didn't want to

1467
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: be there, and I couldn't hide it anymore.

1468
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: I just just was like, I want this to be over.

1469
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of that was Also,

1470
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: I was very uncomfortable in my skin in those last

1471
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: few seasons. I just wanted to just like exist outside

1472
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: of myself and I couldn't, and so a large part

1473
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: of that felt like I just want to be out

1474
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: from under the eyes of America and the eyes of

1475
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: these particular people who I know are judging me.

1476
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 2: It's the only time I ever snapped at you. I

1477
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: remember yelling at you once.

1478
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you not remember that one towards the end

1479
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 4: it was like seventh season, and you did. You had

1480
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 4: an attitude and you sat there backstage and you're likeugh,

1481
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 4: I just don't want to be here anymore. And I

1482
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 4: turned around and just screamed at you.

1483
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 3: Then get out.

1484
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 4: It's like, there's the door, go, What the hell's keeping

1485
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 4: you here? Like I just lost it because I was like,

1486
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 4: rider didn't want to be there. You didn't want to

1487
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 4: be there, and I just wanted to keep going. I'm like,

1488
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 4: I'm having so much fun, I'm enjoying my life, and

1489
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 4: nobody around me is appreciating this, And I just remember

1490
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 4: just screaming at you, like get the fuck out right,

1491
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 4: and yeah, go and go, and you kind of like,

1492
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 4: cause I know, because you and I never had a

1493
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 4: problem with each ever, know, and so it was that

1494
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 4: kind of like you like snapped to attention, like oh god,

1495
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 4: like what the hell? And you still it didn't change

1496
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 4: your attitude all on. You had every right to feel

1497
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 4: whatever you had to feel. But I remember I was like,

1498
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 4: cause I never yell, I'm not the yell guy ever.

1499
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 4: And I think you were like, oh my god, Wow,

1500
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 4: they'll just yelled at me.

1501
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 5: I know.

1502
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: I think what you don't realize sometimes when you're a

1503
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: kid is like you feel like you're just venting, like

1504
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: you're just saying all these things. I feel like I

1505
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: have these feelings, I have to express them. I'm I'm

1506
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: tired of this. I feel creatively stifled. I'm missing out

1507
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: on my real life. I want to go do all

1508
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: these other things. I've got great plans and this show

1509
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: is stopping me from doing it. And what you don't

1510
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 1: realize is how that sounds to all the other people

1511
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: who feel now like they're a part of it. And

1512
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: like Will said, For Will, it was the greatest thing,

1513
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: Like he loved it. He didn't want to stop doing it.

1514
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: If we could have done season.

1515
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 3: Eight, nine, ten, and eleven, he.

1516
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: Would have been like, yeah, sign me up. I'll be

1517
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: the first person to work in the last person here.

1518
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: And that is a frustrating feeling to be like, my god,

1519
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: everybody around me is just a sour puss.

1520
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was that was hard.

1521
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, was that I don't want to say the words scary.

1522
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 5: That's not the right word, but but was it scary

1523
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 5: at all? For you Will to hear everybody else's investment,

1524
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 5: just go down and know for yourself, like I'd love

1525
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 5: to keep going if.

1526
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: We were all of them.

1527
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't scary.

1528
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 2: It was upsetting. Yeah it was.

1529
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 4: It's like it it hurt me to know that, cause again,

1530
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 4: the acting that they brought it every time, So it

1531
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 4: was never like, oh my god, it's affecting their performances

1532
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 4: or they're not taking it seriously. It was never that

1533
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 4: because the acting was always there. I mean by that

1534
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 4: by the end, we were all so into our characters

1535
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 4: that we could have done it in our sleep.

1536
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: Frankly.

1537
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 4: But you know something, again, I've talked on this podcast

1538
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 4: so many times about how important television is to me

1539
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 4: and to reach this goal that I'd wanted to do

1540
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 4: for so long, and to be you know, towards the end,

1541
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 4: have a couple people around me that that I loved

1542
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 4: so much that just weren't happy. I mean, it's a

1543
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 4: combination of you want your friends to be happy, first

1544
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 4: of all, but you also don't want them to denigrate

1545
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 4: the thing that's making you so happy. So it was

1546
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 4: it was a weird combination of the two. But it's

1547
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 4: also again, it's such an age thing. I probably would

1548
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 4: have been doing exactly the same thing had I been

1549
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 4: thirteen when I started. You know, it's you know, and

1550
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure even Rusty and Betsy had a much different

1551
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,799
Speaker 4: look than I did, where they're such the journeyman actors

1552
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 4: that they were probably like, you take your job where

1553
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 4: you get it, you take your paychecks where you get it.

1554
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 4: You're professional the entire time. And then Bill, being had

1555
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 4: been in the business for fifty years by that point,

1556
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 4: would have had a different perspective than even Rusty and Beth.

1557
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 4: So I think as you grow as a person, you're

1558
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 4: also growing in the profession. You're growing and your idea

1559
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 4: of what you're doing at the time is going to

1560
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 4: change every time you're there.

1561
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was.

1562
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 4: I had already signed deals with ABC, so I knew

1563
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 4: that I was rolling right into something else, so that

1564
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 4: it wasn't about the work for me, It was about God,

1565
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 4: why do you not love this the way I love this?

1566
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 4: And it's because at the time, they had a thousand

1567
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 4: of kids, they had a thousands of things doing, they

1568
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 4: were growing to be adults. They were doing it in

1569
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 4: the public eye. I mean, my god, Danielle, by that

1570
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 4: point was had to be Topanga, which was now already iconic,

1571
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 4: and you're with this. It's Corey and Tapanga. That's a

1572
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 4: thing now Corey and Tapanga, and the country is voting

1573
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 4: on whether they're going to get married. I mean to

1574
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 4: do that in the public eye and at the same

1575
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 4: time be like, why can't I just be seventeen somewhere?

1576
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 4: I couldn't imagine what that was like and I never

1577
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 4: had to deal with it, So yeah, you you know,

1578
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 4: you also have to walk a mile in somebody else's shoes,

1579
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 4: where we would get that a lot too, where it's

1580
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 4: like you want to shake somebody and go, why aren't

1581
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 4: you just happy doing this, and I'm sure she wanted

1582
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 4: to shake back and go because you didn't have to

1583
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 4: do it the way I did.

1584
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 2: So it's uh, yeah, it's weird.

1585
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1586
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: When I think about very stress experience, I think, Man,

1587
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: what a life to like, Go show up to work,

1588
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: get to be funny all the time.

1589
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: Your your role.

1590
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: For the most part, there's gonna be a few episodes

1591
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: that are very heavy on you and emotionally connected, and

1592
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: you're always great, but for the most part, you are

1593
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: always the comedic relief. So no matter what's going on

1594
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: that week, you're getting laughs, like you're getting validation on

1595
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: a sitcom, which the number one thing you can do

1596
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: is get somebody to laugh. You're getting a week after week,

1597
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: day after day, partially because that's your character, and mostly

1598
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: because you're just that funny and you're making any moneier.

1599
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: And you had the best time doing that, Like that

1600
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: was feeding your soul and then like that was your

1601
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: it was your dream come true too, Like I was

1602
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: a child, this is all I want. You're finally doing it.

1603
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And then the minute you're done with your scenes,

1604
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: you might have three or four hours in the middle

1605
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,839
Speaker 1: of the day to go with a friend you consider

1606
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: to be like a best friend who works on the show,

1607
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: and you get to go do something else Like that'd

1608
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: be like my life now on a show if I

1609
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: were an adult on a kids show, ultimately in the

1610
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: middle and you're making tons of money and you're not

1611
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: that famous either, so you can still go anywhere you

1612
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: want to go and do anything you want to do.

1613
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 2: It's perfect.

1614
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: But I do remember when we did Girl Meets World,

1615
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: feeling like looking at the kids and seeing them feel

1616
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: stressed about the school work they had to do, the premieres,

1617
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: they had to go to, the fashion events they wanted

1618
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: to be a part of, the now navigating the social

1619
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: media world social media and looking at them and going

1620
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: everyone is going to tell you that this is supposed

1621
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:39,520
Speaker 1: to be the most fun and wonderful and lovely experience

1622
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: of your life, and that we are a family and

1623
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: you better appreciate it and love it. And what I

1624
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: want to tell you is if you need to come

1625
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: in here and cry about how miserable you are, I

1626
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:50,480
Speaker 1: promise you I understand.

1627
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 3: And and there's only so.

1628
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: Many people you can do that with, because everyone else

1629
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: is going to look at you and go on a

1630
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: show star of a kid's show and you get to

1631
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: do happy sayings. Yeah, why are you living it up?

1632
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: But also it's a lot, it's a lot.

1633
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1634
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. And the idea of social media now I

1635
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 5: can't I can't even imagine that. And I was thinking

1636
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 5: about in the cruise episode. I was like, one, do

1637
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 5: they do things like that anymore where you could go

1638
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 5: on cruises with celebrities, because that just seems like.

1639
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 3: A crazy Yeah.

1640
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: The back Kids on the Block, New Kids on the

1641
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: Block has Andrea Barber goes on the New Kids on

1642
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: the Block cruise and.

1643
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 3: She loves it. It's amazing.

1644
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it's so like writer was talking about in

1645
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 5: that episode. The accessibility is frightening. It's so intense. And

1646
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 5: I was thinking about, like, wow, I guess nowadays, I

1647
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 5: guess they do do these kind of cruises. But also

1648
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 5: social media has kind of played that role of giving

1649
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 5: fans what they think of access. It's a little bit

1650
01:18:55,720 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 5: more able to be moderated or controlled, hopefully by by totally.

1651
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 4: And we'll find out when we do pod Meats World

1652
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 4: Live on the Seas Start.

1653
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: You think he's joking. They literally pitched me, let's do it.

1654
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 2: Let's do it, and they're gonna keep pitching me.

1655
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 5: A lot of people signing up.

1656
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 2: Right, if we did a Pod Meats pod.

1657
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 4: Meets World Live Baby.

1658
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: The Open why don't we do Pod meets the Open

1659
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 2: Sea and I just helicopter in for.

1660
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 4: Like one, like two hours, like I'll just like.

1661
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 3: Your favorite actress of all time.

1662
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 2: See, I just want to I just want to create goop. Guys,

1663
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: this is all I wanted the mail to. You do

1664
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: you do? Yeah, I'll sell jackets like this and I'll

1665
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: just and I'll land my helicopter for like two hours.

1666
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: I'll come in, I'll grace everybody with my presence and then.

1667
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 3: T G I F thank god it's floating.

1668
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: We love it.

1669
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 4: We love it. You know that would sell? All right?

1670
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 4: So to all the cruise people who clearly listen to

1671
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 4: the show, because I'm sure all the Cruis executives are,

1672
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 4: just call Rider. We'll be there. We will be there.

1673
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 4: Make him your point person.

1674
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 5: He'll be like the guy on the Lido deck with

1675
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 5: you know, just running the events kind.

1676
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 1: Of yes, you can find him in shorts and boots.

1677
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 2: Just don't injure me and make me dance.

1678
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 4: Please, just go right, everybody dance.

1679
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: I love, Kira, maybe you can come on the cruise

1680
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 1: with us. You can help, you can help keep.

1681
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 2: She could just have her office hours for me. Like,

1682
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: as long as I've got nine to ten with cure,

1683
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: I'm fined. Let's just download I cry either.

1684
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 5: I don't know what that might bring up for me.

1685
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 2: All we have to do is just play Counting Crows.

1686
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 2: We just have the speaker set up, so I come in,

1687
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: we listen to August and everything after, start to finish

1688
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: and cry together, and then I go back and it's fun.

1689
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 4: Wow, it sounds like an awesome cruise. Sign me up

1690
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 4: in a buffet rider crying and a buffet.

1691
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in.

1692
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: I'm so in, Kira, thank you so much for being

1693
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: with us. I guess I'll give you an opportunity if

1694
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm about ready to. Is there any last question that

1695
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 1: you didn't get to that you really want to get.

1696
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 3: In before we wrap up this episode, Like.

1697
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 5: Cause I wanted to because I know we're on the

1698
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 5: cusp of season four right. Yes, obviously there's memories that

1699
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 5: you hold of what storylines are about to come up,

1700
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 5: But what do you all hope to see for your

1701
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 5: characters walking into this next season what do you want

1702
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 5: to happen for them?

1703
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 4: I'll go first because I can do this very quickly.

1704
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 4: I think Eric is just going to become more Eric.

1705
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 4: I think he's going to cement himself as b story guy,

1706
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 4: which I'm totally fine with. But for actual storylines, I

1707
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 4: don't know where that I remember the first one because

1708
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 4: I remember it was we shot the thing with the

1709
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 4: whole yogurt cup. I believe that's episode one, season four.

1710
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 4: But other than that, I don't know what's coming. I

1711
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 4: just know he's going to get a little crazier, and

1712
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 4: I'm hoping maybe season four is the first Phoenie call,

1713
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 4: because we haven't had one yet, so.

1714
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see.

1715
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 5: I think Danielle, it's probably for you. Just being on

1716
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 5: the show would be yes.

1717
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 3: I would love to be there every week. I hope

1718
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 3: season four.

1719
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, are season four? Season four? You're a regular? Yeahah,

1720
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: you must although wait no, you were you're regular by

1721
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 2: season three, but you were like thirteen out of right, Yeah,

1722
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: so you could still be under that contract now. I

1723
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 2: don't know.

1724
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 3: I hope I'm in every week of season four. I can't.

1725
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see and what I'm really very

1726
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: excited about is that there are It's a kind of

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01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: a toss up for the audience, the people who write

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01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: to us every week about episodes and things we think

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01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: and things we say. The majority of people seem to

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01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: think that seasons three and four are like peak best

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01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 1: seasons of Boy Meets World, But the real majority says

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01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: season four is just banger after banger after banger. So okay,

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Speaker 1: I am very excited to see what season four has

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01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: in store, and I'm extremely hopeful that I am more

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01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: of a part of it because I think that'll just be.

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Speaker 3: Fun to like be like now this is what I remember,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to Yeah, I'm just I

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01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: think the show's been getting Like I think season three

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01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 2: seemed pretty good to me.

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01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, it had some some ups and downs,

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 4: but I think every season is gonna have ups and downs,

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01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 4: and I do I think it was good.

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01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 5: Less grease references.

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01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we're hoping. I'm trying to season four. I mean, obviously,

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01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 2: it's Tony's last episode, which is going to be a

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01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 2: super dramatic one with lots of tears. That's the famous

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01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: one with the center, and then I guess maybe my

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01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 2: do I drink in season four? Is that? Or is

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01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 2: that season five? I don't know.

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01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 4: No, no, because because Trina is in the drinking episode,

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01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 4: isn't she She's season four one.

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01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 3: Of them got a couple of drinking episodes.

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01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 2: I love of God. We'll see anyway. Yeah, I'm excited.

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01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 2: I think it'll be a good season, probably because I

1756
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: will be living in my own apartment in my real

1757
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: life and probably a much happier writer, So hopefully that

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01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 2: means I will be bringing it performance wise a little

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01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 2: bit more cool.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much for having me back on.

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01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 5: It's been so much fun and I just love getting

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01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 5: to to check in with you guys.

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01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: Thank you.

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01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 4: We'll see you again at the end of season four.

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01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 5: Sure, and at that point we might have the cruise

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01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 5: and the works.

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01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:05,839
Speaker 3: Who knows exactly.

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01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: We may be on the open seas. You may be

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01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: with us, who knows. Kira, thank you so much for

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: joining us. Kira can be found on social media at

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01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Kira Muscara or online at Kiramscara dot com.

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Speaker 3: That's k I E r A m U s c

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Speaker 3: a r.

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Speaker 1: A dot com. Kira, thank you again for being with us.

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01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: It's always such a pleasure, and you always managed to

1776
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: find the right mix of heart and honest, truthful questions.

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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: And we appreciate you being such a loyal listener and

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01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: you are You're truly the perfect mix of like fan

1780
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World and of the podcast and true

1781
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 1: professional who makes us feel very at home and comfortable

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01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: with you.

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01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 3: And we appreciate you very much.

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01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's the thank you.

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 5: Thanks so I'm glad to hear that. Thank you guys

1786
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 5: so much for me back.

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01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you again soon.

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01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 3: Oh, that was a wonderful episode. Well how did you feel?

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01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: I know you're you're always the one who's less open

1790
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: book than writer, and I I'm fine.

1791
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 2: Again.

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01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 4: I think it's I think from an emotional kind of standpoint,

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01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 4: it was just a much different experience for the three

1794
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 4: of us. I think there's a lot more therapeutic unpacking

1795
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 4: that would come from your both your times on Boy

1796
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 4: met Ware.

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01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: Well, what about as we get into anxiety stuff? I

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01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: mean we must be.

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01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 4: Getting well that you will know exactly when that is

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Speaker 4: that will certainly hit, but that's between season six and

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01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 4: season seven. Yeah, I have that to look forward to.

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01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 2: You're right, I do have that to look forward. I

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01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: have that to look forward to it. So it really didn't.

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01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 2: You didn't start having those those feelings until season six

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01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 2: or seven.

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 5: That.

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01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: No, it was right.

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01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 4: It was while in the middle of shooting h double

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01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 4: hockey sticks, right in the middle and the take. Actually

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01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 4: they used it so I can point to it and

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01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 4: go first panic attack, yeah, so and then again and

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 4: then I put on a whole bunch of weight. So man,

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01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 4: you had never had panic attacks before that, not a

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01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 4: single thing. For I think once in Amsterdam when I

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01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 4: had smoked.

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01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think because the only panic

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01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: attacks I've ever had when I smoked too much weed.

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01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah it was I think one time I spoke too

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01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 4: much weed, but that was it.

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01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 1: Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on

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