1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm welcome to save our production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren vocal Baum. And today 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about a Regano and Marjoram. Yes, and it 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: is a fun day in our home studios because here 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: in Atlanta there's a thunderstorm, a pretty a pretty epic one. Yes. Yes, 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: so ambiance. Yes, this is the very most goth discussion 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: of Regano and marge Room that anyone will ever have. Yes, 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: it's exactly what your listeners needed in your life. I 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: am sure positive. So this is a topic that's been 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: on my mind because I've been getting a regane as 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: a part of my c s a um and it 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: is one of the few things that I am successfully growing. 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: I tried to throw a lot of things so far 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: only was taken a Regano and mins um. So yeah, 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: and I use some last night. Have you been like 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: rooting them in water? Yes? Uh yeah, yeah yeah, and 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: they I've just been using like cuttings and stuff, and I, um, 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: it grows pretty fast. I gotta say, I got a 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: lot of it. Um and I used some last night 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: for the first time when I was cooking. It smelled 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: so good. Oh yeah, yeah, huzzah, yeah, I am. I 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: use I used dried um, oregano and marge room in 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: cooking all the time, any time that I'm making anything 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: like even vaguely mediterranean. E uh, those things go in there. Um. 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: But I don't think i've ever I'm trying to think 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: I've ever ever ever had it fresh, aside from like 27 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: maybe in like a like a little like poultry bundle 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: of of herbs or something. But I'm not sure. It's 29 00:01:53,440 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: delicious um smell alone excellent, um love how fuzzy it is? 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we're going to talk about that. Yes. Well. 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: On the other hand, though, before we did this research, 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: I could not have told you what marjor room was. 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: I had to look up how to pronounce it. And 34 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: when you suggested we should do oregano and margor room, 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: I was like, huh okay, because I had no idea 36 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: what it was. I thought. I was like, are they related? 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. But this is a big learning one 38 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: for me. Fun who's that? Yeah? Learning? Learning is great. 39 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: We're we're all in the business of learning. We are, 40 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: we're big proponents of it. But alright, I guess that 41 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: brings us to our question, a regano in marge room. 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: What are they? Good question? Um? Okay, all right, Well, Uh, 43 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Regano and marjor rom are are herbs with a small, 44 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: soft green leaves that have a similar but kind of 45 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: varyingly peppery, citrusy, savory, woody, and uh and bitter flavors. 46 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: And they come from a number of different species within uh, 47 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: within a few genuses, but kind of mostly um originum. 48 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: And there's some etymology madness involved in this one. Oh yes, 49 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: So the name oregano means joy of the mountain, although 50 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: the word itself might have originally come from somewhere else. Meanwhile, 51 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: marjoram probably derived from Sanskrit, but it sounded close to 52 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: the word for greater in Latin, which led to the 53 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: French word margerin, which was picked up and spelled in 54 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: a variety of different ways in English until the current 55 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: English spelling was settled on sometime in the seventeen hundreds. Confusingly, 56 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: a regano means marjoram and Spanish, and in parts of 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Europe oregano goes by wild marjoram, and margor room goes 58 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: by sweet marjoram and quick clarification or gonnam used roy 59 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: with the mountain in Greek. Okay, yes, yes, so a 60 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: lot going on there right right? Uh so okay, So 61 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: so Marjoram is just one species originum majarana um, and 62 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: a regano is a common term for a whole bunch 63 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: of different species. Um. It's really a word for like 64 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: a flavor profile more than a single plant. Um that 65 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: that originalm that the genus is part of the lamiassi 66 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: a family, the mint family, and this genus contains some species, 67 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: and all of them, usually except for the one that 68 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: is Marjoram, are called oregano um. Plus, there are whole 69 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: other genuses Limpya and Hedioma and um lantana, some of 70 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: which are native to whole other parts of the world, 71 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: that get colloquially lumped in with oregano um. Some of 72 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: them aren't even in the same botanical family. I read 73 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: one medical paper that said that there are at least 74 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: sixty one species and seventeen genuses in six different families 75 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: that are called a regano simple not using at all, Nope, 76 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: zero percent. So this is all to say that if 77 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: you have a jar of dried o regano in your kitchen. 78 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: The specific plant that is in it could vary. Um. 79 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: Though that said, um, there are a few species that 80 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: are most commonly used in cooking. UM common oregano or 81 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: um originem bulgary has a bright flavor. Mexican oregano or 82 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: Lippia Gravio lens has like a more peppery flavor. Spanish 83 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: and Greek oreganos u of vivans and oh hair Clete's 84 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: um are a little bit milder. Marjoram meanwhile, is a 85 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: little bit warmer and a little bit less bitter. Sometimes again, 86 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: it can it can vary. Wow, what's going on here? Yep, yep, yep, 87 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: yep and uh. And as we said, these can be 88 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: used fresh or dried. Yes, yes, And they're used in 89 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: all kinds of cuisines and in all kinds of waves. 90 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: The flowers are also edible. The European versions are particularly 91 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: popular in cuisines from the border of the Mediterranean see 92 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: because that's where they're pretty much originally from. Um they 93 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: are known mostly in America as like an Italian cuisine 94 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: flavor mm hmm yes, uh and sweet margorroom is often 95 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: one of the ingredients in absent here you go, our 96 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: old friend abs. Wow. What about nutrition? Okay, As with 97 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: many herbs, you're probably not eating enough of this stuff 98 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: to have like a macro nutrient impact on your diet um. 99 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: But but these herbs can can provide a big bang 100 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: of flavor for a small cloric buck. So they're really 101 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: great to incorporate into your cooking and your diet um. 102 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: And also okay, uh, these these herbs, like pretty much 103 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: any herb, that that if you run your hand just 104 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: gently through um, through bush of it, or or across 105 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: a branch of it, and you come away with the 106 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: scent of that herb on your hand. Um, that means 107 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: that this herb evolved to produce some oils that keep 108 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: pests away as so, and and and specifically the reason 109 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: that some of them are are fuzzy on the leaves 110 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: are those little fuzzy hairs help keep the oils on 111 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: the surface. Uh and and therefore you know, keep keep 112 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: it right there so that if an insect comes along, 113 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: it goes, oh eat it, go, get get it off me, 114 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: get away, never mind, not gonna eat this one. Uman, 115 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: While I'm like, yes again, humans decided we liked that, 116 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: So it's really effective. Against like microbes and funguses and 117 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: insects and some animals, but humans are like oh delicious 118 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: poison yea um, not that it acts is poison in us. 119 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: It can actually be helpful medicinally and a regular and 120 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: marjoram have been used in folk medicine for pretty much ever, 121 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: for things from asthma to indigestion, and are currently being 122 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: studied for all kinds of helpful properties antioxidant, antibacterial, antimycotic, 123 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: anti inflammatory, anti diabetic. UM. Extracted oils are already being 124 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: used in livestock feed to help prevent gut infections and 125 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: thus prevent the use of antibiotics. And from some of 126 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: the studies I read, it seems that they both stimulate 127 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: um those animals guts to uh produce this like protective 128 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: gut mucus UM. But then further can can weaken bacteria 129 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: cell walls, leading to eventual cell death. UM. And this 130 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: is especially cool because of the overuse of antibiotics in 131 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: in well everything honestly, but uh but but so hopefully 132 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: this can be with with with more research, Uh, this 133 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: can be turned into something that can do a lot 134 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: of good in the world. UM. As with anything the 135 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: saver motto. Uh, you know, bodies are complicated. More research 136 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: needs to be done before incorporating any medicinal dose of 137 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: anything into your diet. You should definitely consult a doctor. 138 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: Um be be be be wary of snake oil um 139 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: always Yeah, yeah, I like, I just want to note 140 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: here listeners as Laurence said that there was a flash 141 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: of lightning behind her and then a roll of thunder. 142 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: And I used to have a history professor who would like, 143 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: whenever that would happen, he would say, Hollywood couldn't do 144 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: it better. I just got reminded of that, very dramatic. 145 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh that's great. I was so into thinking about microbes 146 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: that I wasn't even paying attention. I'm I'm into it though. 147 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: It was awesome, very dramatic. Indeed, we do have a 148 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: couple of numbers for you. Americans import fourty million pounds 149 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: of a regano a year, making it our top in 150 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: court with when it comes to herbs like this, both 151 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: quantity wise and value wise. Okay, we like, we like 152 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: some oregano here. We do number one, cause we'll get 153 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: into that. It is we do. We do eat a 154 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: lot of pizza, and it is like a a pizza 155 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: e herb. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, and I did 156 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: want to note Reagano is the name of a computer 157 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: programming language. There you go, all right, cool yeah, cool 158 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: cool cool? Uh. And Oregano and marge room have quite 159 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: the interesting history. Hollywood couldn't do it better. Yes, and 160 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: we will get into that as soon as we get 161 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: back from a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 162 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you. So 163 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: keeping the history of oregano and marge room separate is 164 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: in writably difficult because the names were often used interchangeably 165 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: in historical records, and some other herbs got mixed up 166 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: in there too, so shrug emoji. Historians think that historically 167 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: marge room was more widely used, except in the Mediterranean, 168 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: where Oregano was preferred, so that's sort of the where 169 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: they work from. But yeah, um, and and this interchangeability 170 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: uh of of names and the records is why I 171 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: was just like, oh, nope, we can't do one or 172 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: the other of those. Let's just yea, let's just roll 173 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: with the whole mess. Yeah, roll with the whole mess 174 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: another savor motto. So both most likely originated in the 175 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: Mediterranean and perhaps specifically in Greece. Some sources indicate that 176 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: the ancient Egyptians were cultivating oregano over three thousand years ago. 177 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: Some of the first records date back to sometime between 178 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: seen hundred to twelve b C. There are these images 179 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: recorded by the Hittites and what is now modern day Syria. 180 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: Ancient Greek physician Hippocrates is believed to be the first 181 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: to use originum in written records, so four hundred sixty 182 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: seventy ish in the first century b C. E. Marjor 183 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: Room was mentioned in the poem Epithalamium by catalysts Catillus 184 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: Catullus Aristophaney's Women in Power from three b C references 185 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: Marjorom also women in power. I gotta checked that out right, hey. 186 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: The ancient Greeks thought that adding oregano into the diets 187 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: of cows improved the taste of their meat. Um. They 188 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: were also big believers and oregano's medicinal value, sometimes making 189 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: a cream out of it and using it for aches 190 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: and sores. Marjoram was similarly highly regarded as a medicinal 191 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:55,359 Speaker 1: or recommended for things like headaches, insomnia, and asthma. Gallendas 192 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: varieties plenty. Theo, frostis, and mithradates, to name a few, 193 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: all made mention of the healing powers of one or 194 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: both of these herbs. Aristotle claimed that originum could combat poison, 195 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: claiming it could save the life of a tortoise who 196 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: ate a snake. And funny story, Lauren Um. As you know, 197 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: I have a kind of a bad record with pets. Yeah, yeah, buddy, 198 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: you do well. I did have a pet turtle and 199 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: my brother had a pet snake, and we were on 200 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: vacation once and we had to leave them for one 201 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: reason or the other, in the same aquarium with us 202 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: on vacation. Like, we didn't leave them home, but at 203 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: the place we were at on vacation, we only had 204 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: the one aquarium. Went out to a restaurant or something, 205 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: and I was so concerned. I'm like, my brothers, snake 206 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: is gonna attack the turtle. I'm so worried about it. 207 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: When we came back, lo and behold, my turtle had 208 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: eaten the snake. Yep. I was shocked and proud and 209 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: also sad. I'm oh, I'm I'm sorry. Uh uh I though, 210 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: oh no, yeah, that is sad. All. Yeah, See, if 211 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: you would only had some regano. I love that claim, 212 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Like that is such a specific like I love that. 213 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: Like whatever else Aristotle was up to, he was going, like, 214 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, what can really help tortoises who have the 215 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: snake eating problem? Um, I'm it's you know, great great thinkers, 216 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: great thinkers. I'm sure, I'm sure it had something specific. 217 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a specific circumstance tied to it. 218 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: But that's maybe he had a pet turtle who had 219 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: a snake. Maybe he had a pet snake. Oh, Aristotle 220 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: and I might have more in common than I think. 221 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, Uh, these philosophers, thinkers, they were 222 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: the only ones who were proponents of the medicinal benefits 223 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: of a reguano. The ancient Chinese prescribed it for a 224 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: wide number of things, from jaundice to vomiting, to diarrhea 225 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: to itching. The ancient Romans often are credited with spreading 226 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: a regano to the rest of Europe and northern Africa, 227 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: and the ancient Greeks and Romans believed the smell of 228 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: a regano and marjorom was meant to remind people of 229 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: the beauty of aphrodite slash venus and or that she 230 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: created these things as a symbol of happiness, and also 231 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: because of this was seen us an aphrodisiac yeph clearly clearly, 232 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: of course, I mean, it's not lettuce. Gosh. One day 233 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to get I have this book of jokes, 234 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: I know I've mentioned it before and it's from like 235 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: the fourteen hundreds. I'm gonna get it out and I'm 236 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: going to read the lettuce jokes about it being causing 237 00:15:51,360 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: impotence after dark episodes of Savor. Yes, where we read 238 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: we do like snap jokes from the four hundreds. It's 239 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: going to be a real hoot, real nie slapper, yeah yes, 240 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah. Um. Ancient Greeks may have even used crowns 241 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: of oregano and their wedding traditions, as the ancient Romans 242 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: with Marge Room. Several legends claimed that oregano was used 243 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: in love potions and that people, usually women, would put 244 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: oregano under their pillows at night to get a visit 245 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: from Aphrodite, who would tell them the first name of 246 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: their future spouse. And this was a tradition at St. 247 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: Luke's day as well. I'm curious, though, like how much 248 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: of it is if they tell you the first name 249 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: is whatever, that you just started disregarding everyone else and 250 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: looking for looking just for John or whatever. Yeah, m hmm, 251 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: it seems it seems, it seems problematic to be honest. 252 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: But but you know it's again. Humans didn't have Netflix. 253 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: They had to make their own fun. That's true. That's true. 254 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: One legend goes that a sermon by the name of 255 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: a Marcus, an early name for the genus of oregano, 256 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: was tasked by the King of Cyprus to transport a 257 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: valuable and precious vial of perfume. But alas he dropped 258 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: it and promptly died of fright, falling right into the 259 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: puddle of spilled perfume, that gods took pity on him 260 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: and transformed him into the fragrant originum. I like that. Yeah, 261 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, you died of fright, get turned into anner. 262 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: But makes as much sense as anything just about. The 263 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: ancient Greeks used oregano and burial rights, and in ancient 264 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: egypt O regano is sometimes left in tombs to accompany 265 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: the dead on their journey to the afterlife, and medicinally 266 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: and as a disinfectant, and again oregano or marjorum hard 267 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: to say, but one of those. They used it in 268 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: the Rights for God's like Osiris if we look at 269 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: the Bible. On the other hand, the hiss up used 270 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: to mark the doors of Jewish homes during the Final 271 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: Plague more correctly probably referred to Marjoram or oregano. Yes, 272 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: and Marjoram and oregano were also believed by the ancient 273 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: Greeks and Romans to ward off evil spirits and colts. Okay, 274 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: we're sometimes used in ambulets. No, which is spelled goblin 275 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: or nevil, could bypass oregano hanging over the doorway or 276 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: strewn at an entrance. See, I love thinking of this 277 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, Like you're you're the old a devil 278 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: coming to really bother somebody, and you're like oregano. No, 279 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: I love it. Oh, foiled again by oregano. I love 280 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: so much. In thirteen seventy three Verse herbal, the Oregano 281 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: and margor Room families were called brother wart wart, being 282 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: a Germanic word to indicate a plant was medicinal. By 283 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: this point, at least oregano was grown in England. Oregano 284 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: made its way to China during the Middle Ages. It 285 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: was a very popular ingredient in Europe at this point 286 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: to used to flavor all kinds of things fish, studs, shellfish, eggs, meats, right, salads, 287 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: and might have been used to make teas and as 288 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: a flavoring in beer. See, this is the thing that 289 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: I was thinking about. And I don't I have had 290 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: a lot of different beers, y'all. And uh, and I 291 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: don't think I've had one with an oregano marjor room 292 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: stick going on. And now I'm super curious about that. Yeah, 293 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I have either, or at least it 294 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: wasn't like widely noted on advertising or something. So another 295 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: thing to add to our list, Lauren, Yeah, Yeah, I 296 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: feel like it would go really well with something kind 297 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: of hoppy, you know. Yeah, it seems like it would 298 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: m listeners. Let us know if you've got any suggestions. Yeah. Absolutely. 299 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Shakespeare mentioned marge Room and several of his works, including 300 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: King Lear, The Winter's Tale and All's Well that Ends Well, 301 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: And here's a quote from that one. Indeed, sir, she 302 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: was the sweet margin room of the salad, or rather 303 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: the herb of grace, sweet margin room of the salad, 304 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: a popular fifteen century European dessert with sugar and sweet 305 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: marg room flowers sounds delicious. In the sixteen fifties, English 306 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: botanist Nicholas Culpepper wrote that marjorom possessed quote warming and 307 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: comfortable and cold diseases of the head, stomach, snooze, and 308 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: other parts taken inwardly or out qualities. A bit earlier, 309 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: another English botanist named John Gerard recommended margin room for 310 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of things, including for those quote given to 311 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: overmuch sighing, so that's me and quote swooning of the heart, Oh, 312 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: of the heart. Yeah. He also recommended a combo of 313 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: wine and oregano as a remedy for quote venomous stings 314 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: or poppy poisoning, shine and oregano. Alright, yeah, but put 315 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: anything in wine. It's it's going back to that old, 316 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: old medicinal tradition of like, well, what are you gonna 317 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: do with it? Put it in wine? I feel like, yeah, 318 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: that was a big thing for a while. Oregano and 319 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: margin were both associated with happiness in the Victorian language 320 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: of flowers, which I is something I didn't know about 321 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: until we started doing this show and I now find 322 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: quite fascinating. Oh yes, oh, it's it's really, it's really 323 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: beautiful and one of my favorite tropes. And uh in 324 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: both like Victorian literature and modern literature. That is making 325 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: reference to Victorian literature because it's it's it's it's a 326 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: whole weird, beautiful thing. Mm hmm. Yeah. If you're looking 327 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: for a rabbit hole, yeah you can. You can make 328 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: a whole sentence out of a bouquet, and it's great. 329 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: I love that. In Henry Beston wrote in Herbs and 330 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: the Earth, of all herbal fragrances, there is none, to 331 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: my mind more pleasant than that of sweet marjoram of 332 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: that plant, which is the French call mardulen a coquille, 333 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: and put with keepsakes and add to salads, big salad orb. 334 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: It seems while oregona was used in Mexican recipes but 335 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: more correctly lipya, it wasn't really recorded in the United 336 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: States for a long time. In facts. In the nineteen 337 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: forty two cookbook How to Cook a Wolf Great Name, 338 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: author M. FK. Fisher only mentioned it once, calling it 339 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: an optional but nice ingredient for minnestrona or as we 340 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: say or at least of my family minnestroni um soup. 341 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: And even then she went on to write, I know 342 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: several earnest, thoughtful women who would rather see their children 343 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: pete than prove something with the foreign name Minnestrona. Because 344 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: in this year of ninety two the United States is 345 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: at war with Italy. That didn't change until soldiers returning 346 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: for World War Two came back with the love of 347 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: pizza from Italy, shedding a light on what for most 348 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: people in this country had been a previously unknown ingredient. 349 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: Many times pizza let the oregano flavor shine, and this 350 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: association was so strong agona was nicknamed the pizza herb, 351 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: and it's still called that in some some places by 352 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: some today. The soldiers also got exposed to oregono in 353 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: a different way. One of the U. S. Army's food 354 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: suppliers was an Italian immigrant by the name of Hector Briarty, 355 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: but you might know him by his Americanized name Chef 356 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 1: BOYARTI uh my dang mind yep yep. He included regano 357 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: in his tinned spaghetti sauce. Prior to the soldier's returned 358 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: to America. Italian immigrants accounted for one fifth of New 359 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: York City's population, and they used Regano in their cooking. However, 360 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Italian cooking and food largely didn't bring itch out beyond 361 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: those communities at the time. Nineteen thirty nine at New 362 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: York Harold Tribune article even described what pizza was as 363 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: if you know, people reading it wouldn't have any of 364 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: it was very specific description, yes, and there was even 365 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: a pronunciation guide on how to say it. So times 366 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: have changed just a just a tiny bit. Yes, it 367 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: still does just blow my mind that that was only nine, 368 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: that was less than a years ago. Yeah. And then 369 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: one of my favorite pieces of research I've ever come 370 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: across um was an article I think it was for 371 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: the pizza episode, or it might have been an apple 372 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: pie one where the author was listing all these foods 373 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: like in shock that people were eating them, and just 374 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: like this will never take off an America pizza, apple pie, 375 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: and it's like all the things that are quote American, yeah, yeah. 376 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: Taste for you know exploded in the United States after 377 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: World War Two. It went from something with such a 378 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: low number of imports the Department of Commerce didn't even 379 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: list it separately to an annual one million and a 380 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: half pounds used in the United States. By the sixties, 381 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: sales of it rose five thousand, two hundred percent in 382 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: the United States from nine to nineteen fifty six alone. 383 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: WHOA what, Yeah, that is a huge percentage number. Oh 384 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: wow uh. Italian food in general also went through a 385 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: post World War Two boom. This was due to many 386 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: many things, like the arrival of more immigrants, gas fired 387 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: ceramic pizza ovens, the opening of more and more Italian restaurants, 388 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: the expansion of companies that specialized in Italian food. Chef 389 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: Boyardes camp Spaghetti Sauce is one of the first televised commercials, 390 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: and the first direct flight from New York to Rome 391 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: was offered by pan Am in ninety eight, meaning a 392 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: wave of American tourists returning with a taste for Italian 393 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: in foods. In one the song art Oregano by the 394 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: jazz pianist Art Pepper debut Pretty Sure. Soon after that, 395 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra's That's a More A came out. Pablo Naruta's 396 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: poem love Sonnet thirty four opens with you are the 397 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Daughter of the Sea, Oregano's first cousin swimmer, Your body 398 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: as pure as the water, cook your blood as quick 399 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: as the soil. Everything you do is full of flowers, 400 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: rich with the earth. A regano. I love, Pablo Aruta, Yeah, 401 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: me too. The cookbook I Hate To Cook Book by 402 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: Peg Bracken listed aregano as a staple ingredient, which was 403 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: a big deal because it sort of made a whole 404 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: thing the book did about sticking to two ingredients you 405 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: probably already had and your cutvered and avoiding quote exotic ingredients. Wow. 406 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, so in just like like like twenty years 407 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: it had become a kitchen staple. That's what a rise me. Yeah. Um. 408 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: And then more more modern leh. As of the twenty tens, 409 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: oil of a regano became something of a pop health fat. 410 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: A lot of celebrities um instagramming and tweeting about how, 411 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: oh yes I'm getting a cold or trying to protect 412 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: myself from a cold, better use that oil of a regano. 413 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 1: Huh and uh yes, you know see above re our 414 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: slogan of medicinal ingestion of anything, um and uh somewhere 415 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: along the line. And this didn't occur to me to 416 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: start researching until we we sat down today um. But 417 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: uh but there's kind of kind of an old a 418 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: joke or meme or urban legend about less than ethical 419 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: uh weed dealers um selling kids a regano instead of 420 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: cannabis and uh uh you know the two. The two 421 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: plants don't look dissimilar, both have a certain herbal smell 422 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: to them. UM. So I suppose, upon brief inspection, you 423 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: could certainly be be fooled by some regano. Um. But 424 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: if you if you google this, um, if you google 425 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: like a regano cannabis in the same little Google search bar, um, 426 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: the results are kind of hilarious and include one story 427 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: from from Colorado, from where some teenagers knocked over a 428 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: cannabis boutique and uh stole some of the bottles off 429 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: of the shelves, not realizing that the bottles that are 430 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: just out for display on the shelves do not contain 431 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: actual cannabis. UM. The store owners were like, yeah, I 432 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: know that was a regano. They just made off with, 433 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: like a lot of a reguanel um make some piece 434 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: of kids. Yeah it's great, you'll never have to buy 435 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: a reagano again. Yeah, come on, And that was it 436 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: was probably nice o regano probably saved you like five 437 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: to seven bucks over a lifetime, depending on your regano. 438 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: You s don't oh sure, Oh yeah, I don't know. 439 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I I do have like at least three bottles of 440 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: a regano and at least two of Marjoram in my kitchen, 441 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how they all got there. So 442 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: I feel like you have a lot of ingredients like that. Yeah, 443 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: I just got a mishmash of a lot of things 444 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: going on that that is truer than I think even 445 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: I know. Annie. Well, I've totally forgotten about that whole 446 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: reggado barajuana thing, but it was a fun reminder. Yeah, 447 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: you never know where the research will go. Our other motto, 448 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: yep yep yepis true. Well that's about what we have 449 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: to say today for a regular and Marge room m 450 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: hm um. And we do have a little bit more 451 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: for you, but first we've got one more quick break 452 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 453 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: you sponsor, Yes, thank you, And we're back with nerve. 454 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. I thank you. That's how my oregulo is 455 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: growing like a weed. But it's not because I love it. 456 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wouldn't mind weeds either. I can't grow 457 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: that much. Lauren getting better, but it's not. It's not easy. 458 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: It's your You're your learning, You're learning, I am. It's 459 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: a constant work in process, work in process, work in progress. Yeah, 460 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: it's true, it's true, writer wrote, I've been listening to 461 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: your show for a while and want to finally write 462 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: in about some connections I made recently. First, I want 463 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: to tell you about a pretty wild experience I had 464 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: with The Simpsons growing up. I finished elementary school in 465 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: the summer of two thousand seven just before the movie release, 466 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: and my dad took me to the beach to light 467 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: off fireworks and celebrate going on to middle school. To 468 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: make a long story short, one of these fireworks ended 469 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: up under me when I went to take a seat. Yes, 470 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: I sat on a fireworks, leaving me with the first 471 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: firework injury of the year in my counties. Quick shout 472 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: out to the ear nurse that listened to my story 473 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: with the straight face. As a result of my grievous 474 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: wounds and my being a huge Simpsons fan, my parents 475 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: took me to Seattle to one of the pop up 476 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: Quickie Mart locations, where I promptly loaded up on crustios 477 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: and buzz cola or fruit loops and diet coke. As 478 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: I soon learned, even considering my reason for getting to go, 479 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: visiting that shop has always been a special memory for me. 480 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: I had never had a novelty food like that from 481 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: a shop I watched, and it was such a fun experience. 482 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: Another fictional foods that could be fun is the Fallout Universe. 483 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: Novelty consumables have come out of that world as well. 484 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: One other related anecdote, my mother used to grow poppy 485 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: plants at my childhood home. One night, we had taken 486 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: a watch our local movie store and came home to 487 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: almost all of her plants being dug up and stolen. 488 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: What a trip from my young self hearing that someone 489 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: stole the little plants I helped plant as a drug. 490 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: The same week you did your episode where you talked 491 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: about the bagel rito another podcast, my brother, My brother 492 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: and me also referenced it as an absurd fast food item. 493 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: This was just a fun connection I made. I love 494 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: hearing podcasts I listened to connect in vague ways. Also, 495 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: I just want to thank you, folks for inspiring me 496 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: to plant some asparagus during quarantine. Asn't sprouted yet, but 497 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: it is a lovely addition to my container garden. Also, 498 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: I just want to note the subject line of this 499 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: email was the time I lit myself on fire for 500 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: a buzz cola. So bravo. Yeah goodness. I mean at 501 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: least he got something out of it. Yeah, I you know, 502 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: should everyone who sits on a firework be so lucky? Exactly? Exactly? Um? 503 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, keep us up to date on how you're 504 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: a spurious Yeah indeed. Huh cool cool cool, um, Yeah, 505 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: Tina wrote. When my boyfriend at the time and now 506 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: husband and I were in college, he had most of 507 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: a jar of sauerkraut left. After making some kilbassa and perogus, 508 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: which were delicious and served his Polish heritage well, he 509 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,239 Speaker 1: decided to see what could be done with it, so, 510 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: after some Internet searching, he found a recipe for sauer 511 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: kraut pie. I was very skeptical, but gave him my 512 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: blessing and left him to it. A couple of hours later, 513 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: he presented me with a strangely bland custardy pie. Eating 514 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: it gave the sensation of a slightly vanilla coconut which 515 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: was very disconcerting. The recipe had required rinsing the crowd, 516 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: so the vinegar taste was not present, but the cabbage 517 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: in a custard pie was definitely not a good thing. 518 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: He has since made many many more desserts that have 519 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: been wonderful, but that one still lives on in family lore, 520 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: and our kids are all rightly horrified by the idea. 521 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: I've got to appreciate the innovation, though, you know, right, yeah, 522 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: that is that is really turning turning lemons into custody 523 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: unpleasant lemonade. That's out the saying originally when people have 524 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: just forgotten it to time. But yeah, specifically about this 525 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: sauer kraut pie situation, right, yeah, yeah, we've all made 526 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: that dessert. I remember one time, Oh gosh, I'm so 527 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: like frugal, and I wanted to make I had all 528 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: these ingredients I just wanted to use up. And it 529 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: was my friend's birthday and I'm a terrible friend, and 530 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm going to use these things 531 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: and see what happens. And I made the like densest 532 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: cake you can imagine. It actually tasted good, but it 533 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: was like it's like if you had a huge tintier 534 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: cake and it somehow beened smushed into one tiny layer. 535 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: Oh huh, and I don't know how or why that happened. 536 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know what was in there. I know 537 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: there was some banana's. Um well, I feel like I'm 538 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: isolating your problem. It's just throwing ingredients. And yeah, that 539 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: will be fun. Surely it will turn out. And my 540 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: friends just fine their birthday. There's a lot of pictures 541 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: of it. And yeah, it also lives on in infamy. 542 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: I've had plenty of dessert fails, I think. I think 543 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: probably at this point, the longest running and funny one 544 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: is is just the fact that I don't think my 545 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: freezer runs cold enough to freeze a an ice cream 546 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: machine bowl. And um, so I have tried for like 547 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: multiple holidays on end to create an ice cream for 548 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: dessert for family holidays, and uh and it just hasn't 549 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: ever worked. It's just never I've been like, well, I 550 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: have this soup. Um, I have this soup. I've I've 551 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: done it. I've done it like granita style a few times, 552 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: where you just like like lay it in a really 553 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: thin layer in a sheet pan and kind of like 554 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: like fork it until it ice is up. Um, but 555 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's yeah, uh, it's it's to the point 556 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: that my friend's mother bought me a new ice cream 557 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: machine and I'm like, I don't think this is the issue. 558 00:36:52,080 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: I I have faith in you, Lauren. Also, I need 559 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: you to send a picture of it for me because 560 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: I am working on my silly Star Wars play and 561 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: as anyone would know, there's an ice cream man ice 562 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: cream machine man in Empire strikes back. So I'm looking 563 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: for a prop that will fit. Got you, ye, will do, 564 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: will do. It's very important, very very important. Um. Thanks 565 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: to both of those listeners for writing in. If you 566 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: have any dessert disasters you want to share, you would 567 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: love to hear them. Our email is hello at savor 568 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: pod dot com. We're also on social media. 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