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Speaker 1: Jeff Ogilvie. I miss the green. For example, I'm already
Speaker 1: upset when I find my ball in the bunker, I'm
Speaker 1: really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a brid Egg
Speaker 2: Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg Friday, Frida Frida Egg
Speaker 2: Bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of these.
Speaker 1: You're the Tory Fight, Stefandrew, the Ultimate Tory Fights. You
Speaker 1: love it, obviously you played great Noid, But why is
Speaker 1: it a great as you've said, an awesome US Open venue?
Speaker 3: Well, I never loved it in January or February when
Speaker 3: we play the Buick or what is it now, the Farmers,
Speaker 3: I disliked it a lot. I mean, you play the
Speaker 3: whole West Coast and the desert courses. I love like
Speaker 3: the Hope was always a good warm up tournament. Phoenix
Speaker 3: is a great tournament? Or else is there? We have? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and the California Ones. I always I love Pebble for
Speaker 3: what it is, but it's a frustrating tournament because of
Speaker 3: the greens. If you're really trying to get into form
Speaker 3: for the start of the year, Riviera is brilliant because
Speaker 3: it's Riviera.
Speaker 2: The Tory was just such a long slog.
Speaker 3: You play Phoenix and you'd be in like eighty five
Speaker 3: degrees and to be sunny, and you'd be hitting the
Speaker 3: ball three twenty. And then you get to Tory and
Speaker 3: you're driving two forty up a first ago so short
Speaker 3: and it's so long, and you're just for hitting out
Speaker 3: of this dewey wet raff all week and I just
Speaker 3: I found it brutal and then so I wasn't looking
Speaker 3: forward to two thousand and eight at all. And then
Speaker 3: when we got there, it might be my favorite US
Speaker 3: Open that I ever played to be fair outside of
Speaker 3: wing foot. Maybe it helped the tiger ion and helped
Speaker 3: that I kind of played well, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: like there was a bit of a bounce on the
Speaker 3: course and the cucuou gets in the raf, so the
Speaker 3: ball doesn't go all the way.
Speaker 2: To the bottom.
Speaker 3: It sort of you could get lucky in the raff
Speaker 3: and it could kind of hover because it's such a
Speaker 3: thick grass, you know.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I just found it like.
Speaker 3: If if you had the recovery skill, you could actually
Speaker 3: do it, whereas in January Febry.
Speaker 2: You just couldn't. So it was funny.
Speaker 3: It was the most surprising US Open over play going
Speaker 3: there and thinking, oh my god, this is going to
Speaker 3: be eight thousand yards of.
Speaker 2: Just brutal to Ah, this is actually all right.
Speaker 3: Like it played a lot shorter at that time of year,
Speaker 3: and I was obviously playing really well, and then the
Speaker 3: way it finished.
Speaker 2: I played with Roco on Sunday and he was having
Speaker 2: the best day.
Speaker 3: I was kind of in it till after till about
Speaker 3: nine to play and then had two or three bogies
Speaker 3: on the back and maybe finished seventh or eighth or
Speaker 3: something I think in the end, but I was on
Speaker 3: the Rocco bandwagon in the last few holes. It was
Speaker 3: fantastic and the hold that part it was. It was
Speaker 3: a great tournament.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had the superintendent on and he talked about
Speaker 1: how the cokuya in it is going to give it
Speaker 1: a little bit more unpredictable nature the rough. Would you
Speaker 1: say that's a fair a fair way to describe it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least last time. And I know I feel
Speaker 3: like they've been I just read yesterday. I think they're
Speaker 3: trying to accentuate they've been trying to bring out the
Speaker 3: kokoo you like, actually feet to have it as a
Speaker 3: feature and have less rye grass than the rough, which
Speaker 3: is kind of the normal US open ruff the rye
Speaker 3: grass or the blue grass.
Speaker 2: The cocuo is really different, like it's a bit more
Speaker 2: like Zoysier.
Speaker 3: It's it's awful really when you get you can get
Speaker 3: there's really bad lies in it, and it can be
Speaker 3: so thick and it's like sort of wrist hurting rough.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't always go to the bottom, I mean
Speaker 3: quite sometimes it can kind of.
Speaker 2: Hover quite up the top.
Speaker 3: So you've got these lines where the ball is sitting
Speaker 3: like a couple of inches in the air, like just floating.
Speaker 2: On the grass.
Speaker 3: Because it's such a strong grass velcrope, so it's very
Speaker 3: random what you'll get. But it's a great grass when
Speaker 3: it's like short, like it's fantastic at Riviera, such a
Speaker 3: great grass to playoff, Like the ball just sits up
Speaker 3: and you can get a lot of spin off it.
Speaker 3: But when it gets longer, it's progressively anything from a
Speaker 3: really good line in the rough to like the worst
Speaker 3: lie I've ever seen, So it's going to be sort
Speaker 3: of randomness.
Speaker 1: Does the ball fly a lot when it sits up, like,
Speaker 1: how does it? You know, I'm thinking, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: a Midwesterner, so my grasses are are pretty just boring,
Speaker 1: the rye and bent, you know everywhere in blue grass.
Speaker 1: And is it more like is it like Bermuda where
Speaker 1: you get that like you get serious jumpers and then
Speaker 1: sometimes the ball just comes out dead as it can be.
Speaker 3: It's not really crazy hot like Bermuda is like Bermuda.
Speaker 3: Ruff is like super flyer as you say, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: think of cocoas a really sort of flyer rough, but
Speaker 3: it does sit above the level of the dirt, if
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it can sit halfway
Speaker 3: down the rough because it's such a strong grass. So
Speaker 3: your real issues are hitting the ball off the middle
Speaker 3: and not hitting it high on the club face. I
Speaker 3: feel like usually yet those ones that hit high like
Speaker 3: the top groove and the ball just goes nowhere. That really,
Speaker 3: I think is more the problem because you try it,
Speaker 3: it's sort of it's still down in the raf, but
Speaker 3: it's not all the way down, so you go down
Speaker 3: to get it and you end up hitting on the
Speaker 3: top of the club and the ball goes nowhere. It's
Speaker 3: probably more the challenge.
Speaker 1: Really like if you tee and higher and up too high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's exactly like teening an iron up too
Speaker 3: high and you're almost roofing it. Yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 3: brutal grass, but it's I don't know, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's an a quiet taste. I mean South Africa, that's
Speaker 2: all they play on.
Speaker 3: And in Sydney and Australia there's actually a lot of
Speaker 3: cocuar grass and then obviously Riviera and some California stuff,
Speaker 3: so it's quite unique. I think might be an African grass,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. But it's very hearty and it's very tough,
Speaker 3: but it's it's uh tricky winning as long.
Speaker 1: Uh speaking of eight, right, you're you're one back. You're
Speaker 1: really in it at like on the eighth hole, ninth
Speaker 1: hole on Sunday, you're one back of Westy who it's
Speaker 1: always the lost story of this of this championship. He's
Speaker 1: the one that kind of gave it all away that
Speaker 1: led to the epic Tiger Rocko story. But you know,
Speaker 1: what's the difference having most people that been there, Like
Speaker 1: you're in like a really similar position to oh six,
Speaker 1: And what's the difference between the back nine and eight
Speaker 1: versus six, Like, is it how narrow is that line
Speaker 1: between you winning and you finishing seventh, like when you're
Speaker 1: in the mix on a back nine like that in
Speaker 1: a major?
Speaker 2: Pretty narrow. I mean I felt really good about it.
Speaker 3: I felt probably more comfortable there because it's two I'd
Speaker 3: won two years ago. I was probably playing better. I
Speaker 3: think I felt better about my game, and I don't
Speaker 3: know it just it was one of those ones where
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I did much wrong. I hit
Speaker 3: it the bunker on nine off the tee. The par
Speaker 3: five and the bunkers that week were the one complaint
Speaker 3: point I think from the boys, and that it was
Speaker 3: an instant plug.
Speaker 2: Anything that went that means Friday towel compowder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thout Friday eggs. Everywhere they were like towel compounder,
Speaker 3: you know, moondust. The borders went straight down in it,
Speaker 3: and I plugged one on nine in the Fairway bunker
Speaker 3: like it bounced and plugged. It was like a five
Speaker 3: five hundred and eighty oh part five or something. So
Speaker 3: it was like I hit it out twenty and now
Speaker 3: I've got my third shot. As the layup and said
Speaker 3: my fourth, So I make bogie there, and I drive
Speaker 3: at the Bunker on ten and get an awful lie
Speaker 3: and make bogie bogey and I went from one back
Speaker 3: to three back and then I kind of have it
Speaker 3: there the rest.
Speaker 2: Of the time.
Speaker 3: So I was like a couple of loose t shots.
Speaker 3: But if they'd just gone on normal lives, I would
Speaker 3: have been fine, you know. So it's a fine line.
Speaker 3: It is a very fine line. I mean that week
Speaker 3: had a feeling of inevitability about it from Saturday night
Speaker 3: and Tiger chips in on seventeen and then makes a
Speaker 3: bomb on eighteen, right, I think to kind of go
Speaker 3: from third last group to last group, like he used
Speaker 3: just a freak show at getting in the last group
Speaker 3: on Sunday, and it's like, wow, this is this has
Speaker 3: got the Tiger feel about it. And West he played great,
Speaker 3: I think my memory did He's try to drive off
Speaker 3: the deck on thirteen and I think he went left
Speaker 3: and he kind of made six or something from a
Speaker 3: really good drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of point a couple of bad putts too,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple.
Speaker 3: Of I'd never begrudge anyone a bad part, like deep
Speaker 3: Deep on Sunday, Saturday Sunday the greens in California, like
Speaker 3: on the coast. Just the nature of paragraphs. It's just
Speaker 3: going to be ropy. And when we see you've seen
Speaker 3: Tiger's worm's eye view a lot of times if it
Speaker 3: doesn't stay on the ground very much. Yeah, putting stuff
Speaker 3: on Sundays. Yeah, but it's such a fine line between
Speaker 3: winning and top it's.
Speaker 1: Really like a matter of good breaks or good bounces,
Speaker 1: Like you get a good bounce here or there, especially
Speaker 1: with the way the bunkers are oriented, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this is like something that when you play
Speaker 1: a course that's really well bunkered and the bunkers are
Speaker 1: all like right in your driving zone. It's just over
Speaker 1: seventy two old. You're going to hit it into a
Speaker 1: couple of them.
Speaker 3: You are, and look normally in the us Open, and
Speaker 3: I know this is one of Mike Davis's things, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's just a general USGA thing. They don't
Speaker 3: want people to be looked after when they're in the bunker.
Speaker 3: They want the bunker to be as bad as the
Speaker 3: rough or worse. It's just, yeah, Tori's got bunkers on
Speaker 3: both sides of every hole. It feels like you're driving
Speaker 3: distance very regularly, that farsier sort of style, and it's just, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're going to miss some, you just are. They're only
Speaker 3: twenty yards wide. You're going to miss some. So there's
Speaker 3: a bit of fortune in it. I mean, generally, I
Speaker 3: would have said, at the end of the week, the
Speaker 3: best player, the guy who's playing the best wins. But
Speaker 3: there's out of the top bunch of guys, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of guys who had great wiks just been like
Speaker 3: so unride, just unrailed by two or three bad lies.
Speaker 3: You know, you can hit three balls in the rough
Speaker 3: and get three different results, right, one you can hit
Speaker 3: a five on out of one you can hit a
Speaker 3: nine on out of and the other one you can
Speaker 3: only move at twenty meters, you know, Like, and that's
Speaker 3: sort of the randomness of what us opens are like.
Speaker 2: But you know that, and that's what does your head
Speaker 2: in when you.
Speaker 3: Play them, like every you start Thursday morning, and you
Speaker 3: just know you're just going to get unlucky a lot,
Speaker 3: you know, But you know the whole field's gonna get
Speaker 3: unlucky a lot.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you handily out the sort of misfortune
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh so. I don't know if you saw this,
Speaker 1: if anybody sent you this. Justin Ray, the great statistician,
Speaker 1: put together put together the stat entering the two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight US Open at Tory. They're they're here were
Speaker 1: the best scores of par and majors by players with
Speaker 1: fifty plus rounds played since nineteen ninety seven. So there
Speaker 1: are one hundred and eleven players in this group. Tiger
Speaker 1: is negative minus one, twenty five, Ernie's plus seventy three,
Speaker 1: Phils plus seventy four, and there you are plus seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Next club players nic O hern at plus one or two.
Speaker 1: Oh well, pretty good group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that Tory Open. I shot like one
Speaker 3: or two under I think in the first round on Thursday,
Speaker 3: and Doug Ferguson was very excited running up to me.
Speaker 3: He says, did you know that's the first time you've
Speaker 3: ever broken par in a round in a US Open.
Speaker 3: You're the first, you're the first US Open champion whoever
Speaker 3: won He was open never having a round under par
Speaker 3: in the US Open.
Speaker 2: But I didn't even know that. And then he was
Speaker 2: very excited on that.
Speaker 1: That's a wild stats crazy stat. Yeah, Trevino was like
Speaker 1: the first guy to win one with four rounds under
Speaker 1: par and when he wanted a both or O kill.
Speaker 3: Really wow, Yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: impossible to shoot under par.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: It was a funny stat though. Yeah, yeah, I played them.
Speaker 2: I used to love the US.
Speaker 3: I just loved the toughness of it. It's just such
Speaker 3: a I don't know, it's just some people. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: kind of got off on the how do I make
Speaker 3: par on this whole Just find a way, you know,
Speaker 3: Like it's just something about it. And if you get
Speaker 3: in that right hit space, that's when you do well
Speaker 3: in US opens. There was plenty of US opens later
Speaker 3: on that I wasn't in that hit space, and.
Speaker 2: It wasn't quite as much fun.
Speaker 3: But there's something about that beating the impossible, you know,
Speaker 3: that's really satisfying.
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting how there are just certain players
Speaker 1: that are like major players, right, you know, like you
Speaker 1: they're almost it's almost inevitable for them to be on
Speaker 1: the leaderboard, whether they win a ton of them or not,
Speaker 1: like like Xanderschoffley appears to be like this this era
Speaker 1: is like just major player, Like every major just almost
Speaker 1: in the bank top ten, and it started when he
Speaker 1: was a local qualifier at Aarren Hills. But like, is
Speaker 1: it do you think it's just when when it just
Speaker 1: gets ramped up. It's the guys that are just a
Speaker 1: little have a little bit of you know, a mental
Speaker 1: edge or you know, what is it that makes the
Speaker 1: just a constant major presence.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Brooks actually hit on it the
Speaker 3: other day a little bit that it just captures. I
Speaker 3: think you play your best when you're paying the most
Speaker 3: attention and you're the most into it, you know, and
Speaker 3: most guys who have you get on tour and you
Speaker 3: become a good player, you've played so much golf even
Speaker 3: by the time you're twenty five, it's just out and
Speaker 3: more golf than anyone else in the world. Right, It's outrageous,
Speaker 3: And it just takes a bit more, I think to
Speaker 3: get you fully into it. And I think the guys
Speaker 3: who do best in majors one are great and they're
Speaker 3: they're just physically great players and mentally great players. But two,
Speaker 3: it's they're all in in a major where they might
Speaker 3: not be all in in Greensboro or like Riviera or something.
Speaker 3: They're like they're all in, you know. And I think
Speaker 3: I was a bit like that that I thought I
Speaker 3: was all in on the Thursday of the Phoenix Open,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But it's different, you know
Speaker 3: than the first that the Masters are the first that
Speaker 3: you was open. And I just think some people, I think,
Speaker 3: really thrive and enjoy the like that every hole feels
Speaker 3: like the last hole kind of in a major, you know,
Speaker 3: that real stress.
Speaker 2: I think some guys like that on some guys don't.
Speaker 3: And I think I don't think there's a right or
Speaker 3: wrong or anything you can do about that. I think
Speaker 3: some guys a lot that some guys aren't. And Brooks
Speaker 3: is clearly he's the most like that we've ever seen,
Speaker 3: isn't he?
Speaker 2: I think? And Louis too. Louie's outrageous.
Speaker 3: I mean, Louis, He's obviously an unbelievable player, and he's
Speaker 3: top fifty in the world for the last fifteen years,
Speaker 3: but he is absolutely at his best in the mages.
Speaker 2: He's almost always there.
Speaker 1: Yeah for him too, I think it's just like he's
Speaker 1: so uber talented when it comes to striking the ball
Speaker 1: that it becomes so clear when the conditions get tougher
Speaker 1: and tougher, how much, how extraordinarily talented he is from
Speaker 1: Tea Green, Like you know Atqua, he was like, I
Speaker 1: mean Saturday or Sunday, it's Saturday. It was very ugly
Speaker 1: watching him. He was hitting like little like heel cuts
Speaker 1: out there, but you know he's still getting the ball around.
Speaker 1: It's still like in the mix. For say, like it
Speaker 1: was not like your your typical Louis Eustace and golf
Speaker 1: where it's just like, you know, dead center of the
Speaker 1: face every every shot. I think any everybody should be
Speaker 1: able to relate to this. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's it's ready for Brooks to get a heat
Speaker 1: from people about this because just think of like if
Speaker 1: as a golf end, like golf fans watching Greensboro versus
Speaker 1: golf fans watching a major, Like there's so much, so much, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're so much more locked in like Greaceborough. You might
Speaker 1: it might be Saturday afternoon and you might you know,
Speaker 1: be laying on the couch and you doze off for
Speaker 1: forty minutes.
Speaker 2: And also it's like you've got thirty as a pro
Speaker 2: as a golfer, you've got thirty tournaments a year, and
Speaker 2: say you're four or five years into your career.
Speaker 3: You've had thirty tournaments a year for five years. There
Speaker 3: are gonna be some that you're into more than others.
Speaker 3: It's just the nature of it. It's like people who
Speaker 3: go to work every day and they do the same
Speaker 3: thing at their desk and they do all their stuff,
Speaker 3: but they have the big meeting.
Speaker 2: With the board once a month.
Speaker 3: You don't think they're more on when they've got the
Speaker 3: meeting with the board than they are just then all
Speaker 3: that work.
Speaker 2: Like, it's just the way it is. Like the major
Speaker 2: is the meeting with the board or the boss or
Speaker 2: like that's when you actually have to be at your best,
Speaker 2: and I think it captures your attention.
Speaker 3: I think also the crazy hard setups and the majors
Speaker 3: also sort of have a great way of exposing like
Speaker 3: the real abilities, you know, I mean clearly, like the
Speaker 3: people we're talking about Brooks and Xander and Louis, I mean,
Speaker 3: they are they have more game than most guys in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: And when they're presented a challenge that asks them to
Speaker 2: hit that have that game, they have it and not
Speaker 2: everybody does, you know, So there's a bit in that
Speaker 2: I think as well. It's sort of.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say a talent talent is the wrong word,
Speaker 3: but like ability exposer, like if you've got all the shots,
Speaker 3: like the Masters is the best at it.
Speaker 2: The Masters is by a long way.
Speaker 3: The best at exposing any weakness in your game, and
Speaker 3: the ones who have the least weakness usually are there
Speaker 3: at the end, you know. And that's the USG trying
Speaker 3: to do, you know, trying to weed out the weaknesses
Speaker 3: and find the strength. And it works on a physical
Speaker 3: level as well as mental.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it seems like the USGS is a
Speaker 1: little bit more heavy handed right in an approach of
Speaker 1: exposing you know, it's it's almost prescriptive, like you have
Speaker 1: to be a certain type of golfer versus I think
Speaker 1: one of the things I've come to appreciate, and this
Speaker 1: might be something that's changed with you know, modern distances,
Speaker 1: but if you look at the Masters, it's you don't
Speaker 1: have to be a bomber to win at Augusta. You know,
Speaker 1: you've got to kind of be a bomber in the
Speaker 1: last ten years to win a us Open.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the rough and I mean, I think the
Speaker 3: only mistake the USGA make if you would decide they
Speaker 3: make a mistake was set up. And as I said,
Speaker 3: I love the US Ope and all everything about it.
Speaker 3: But if you were going to take the tactic that
Speaker 3: a lot of people think, well, they're a big Their
Speaker 3: only issue is that they try to dictate a score,
Speaker 3: whether they say they don't or not. They're obsessed with
Speaker 3: scores really low, under par or over par. You have
Speaker 3: to distort the setup, and so you have to make
Speaker 3: it narrow, and you have to make it long rough.
Speaker 2: And as soon as you make it.
Speaker 3: Really long rough, you bring a lot more luck into
Speaker 3: it than you do.
Speaker 2: Like an Augusta.
Speaker 3: Augusta, you get where you hit it, where you hit it,
Speaker 3: you hit it there, and you've got to deal with it.
Speaker 3: The US Open, you can have four guys all hit
Speaker 3: it in the same spot and they all get four
Speaker 3: different results, you know. So that's a little bit more fluky.
Speaker 3: And the irony is that their ideal is to take
Speaker 3: away chance, you know, and to make it. You know,
Speaker 3: you hit the right shot, you rewarded you, the bad shot,
Speaker 3: you're punished. And of course, like the old course, which
Speaker 3: is seemingly all chance, almost always throws up the best
Speaker 3: players in the world who win it the old course
Speaker 3: in the US Open, you can have some sort of
Speaker 3: random stuff going. So the only thing is that if
Speaker 3: they if they got away from par as a sort
Speaker 3: of a benchmark, I think there are setups would be
Speaker 3: a bit more because whenever they go wide, sometimes they
Speaker 3: go wide and they go nuts with the greens, and
Speaker 3: when they don't go nuts with the greens, they go
Speaker 3: supernarrow with long rough.
Speaker 2: It's like they're always trying to protect score. And I
Speaker 2: don't understand.
Speaker 3: I've never understood why as a champion better at even
Speaker 3: par than he is at eighteen under. I mean when
Speaker 3: Faldo wins Snandrew's by five and Tiger wins it by nine,
Speaker 3: Like these are the best players in the world, and
Speaker 3: this course is is accentuating how good they are. You know,
Speaker 3: it's amplifying how much better they are than everyone else.
Speaker 3: Isn't that like finding the best player? But as I said,
Speaker 3: I loved there's something really masochistic about you as Open,
Speaker 3: you know, like there's.
Speaker 2: Something really enjoyable about the pain you go through.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's that the same. It's not a simulation like
Speaker 1: you walk up of course they imagine it just just exhausted.
Speaker 2: You look forward to whining. You know you are in
Speaker 2: the last few holes. It's like this other meaning you're
Speaker 2: going to be there.
Speaker 3: I've got all this Start lining up your complaints for
Speaker 3: the man he asked to play.
Speaker 2: This space sucks.
Speaker 3: It's nuts, but it's it's it's an enjoyable pain, I guess.
Speaker 1: Speaking of someone who lines up their complaints at at USGA.
Speaker 1: That's how a VisiC was phil a cute one. How
Speaker 1: much did you catch that? And just you know it's
Speaker 1: somebody that's this peer group. What was what was seeing that? Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nuts.
Speaker 3: That was umble, I mean completely unpredictable. I mean he's
Speaker 3: gone out of his way his whole career. It feels
Speaker 3: like to show people he can do stuff that no
Speaker 3: one else can do, you know, and he's still doing
Speaker 3: it like it's crazy, and he's done it in a
Speaker 3: completely unpredictable way, you know, Like I think it goes
Speaker 3: all the way back to when he's sort of got
Speaker 3: that arthritis.
Speaker 2: Thing, don't you think. And then he started really paying attention.
Speaker 3: To food, and he always takes it if he gets
Speaker 3: into a subject, he seemed to take a deep dive,
Speaker 3: and he took a real deep dive into the physical side,
Speaker 3: and then obviously the mental side and the Twitter and
Speaker 3: Instagram sort of showing off, and I don't know, he's
Speaker 3: just had a like a it's it's like he was
Speaker 3: made for this era, you know, of the way everyone is,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's thriving, and I just think he
Speaker 3: really loves he loves a challenge, and he's always been
Speaker 3: amazing at like sort of doing what he says he's
Speaker 3: going to do.
Speaker 2: You know. It was just incredible.
Speaker 3: I never saw it happen, But then after Saturday when
Speaker 3: he was going out in the last round, I thought
Speaker 3: I actually thought he was going to win, just because
Speaker 3: he's always been impressive. In the last three or four
Speaker 3: times he played with Tiger on Sundays, he beat him,
Speaker 3: you know, like he's when he gets up for something,
Speaker 3: he's up for something, like he's nuts.
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. It's one of the coolest things ever seen.
Speaker 1: It was. I was out there watching and it was
Speaker 1: really a couple of things that were the big takeaways.
Speaker 1: Was I'd never seen somebody that it seemingly was. He
Speaker 1: was running a game on Brooks in the final group,
Speaker 1: Like the piece at which he was playing was just
Speaker 1: beyond slow, you know, and then he would be yucking
Speaker 1: it up with the fans and Brooks would be in
Speaker 1: the fairway like throwing his hands up, you know, and
Speaker 1: he just it. It kind of made me feel like
Speaker 1: he was like in a money game, you know, and
Speaker 1: he was just doing what he was doing. And then
Speaker 1: the other thing that stood out was I felt like
Speaker 1: the wind just really helped him because he was the
Speaker 1: guy that had every single shot in the bag. Like
Speaker 1: hitting that punch seven iron on ten was like a
Speaker 1: you know, I think, a huge moment because Brooks hits
Speaker 1: this his fade that kind of gets caught up in
Speaker 1: the wind and it takes it out of it. He
Speaker 1: ends up twenty yards short. Phil hits from a similar
Speaker 1: position just this like penetrating punch draw seven iron and
Speaker 1: he hits its ten feet, makes birdie. And it was
Speaker 1: just I thought him having every shot in the bag
Speaker 1: was just so monumental from a shape standpoint. Because of
Speaker 1: the wind.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, He's just he's just he's always I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be surprised if, like you said, he was getting under
Speaker 3: brooks of skin.
Speaker 2: That part of he's his wholem.
Speaker 3: O is getting under people's skin, you know, like when
Speaker 3: he walks in the locker room or he like he's
Speaker 3: on the rage, especially in a money game, like it's
Speaker 3: you cannot get him to close his mouth in a
Speaker 3: money game.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Never stops chirping.
Speaker 1: Ever dead too. They say, just fowed people around and
Speaker 1: talked to him the whole round.
Speaker 2: He just loved and he's just he's always challenging you,
Speaker 2: like you can't do this, you can't do that, I'm
Speaker 2: going to do this. I'm going to do that.
Speaker 3: You can't hit it like I can, and all that.
Speaker 3: So he's just that environment. He's just made for that environment.
Speaker 3: And as you said, physically like he's the only weakness
Speaker 3: I think he's ever had is probably the really long stuff,
Speaker 3: and it can get a bit wild, you know, with
Speaker 3: the driver and stuff. But his iron player as good
Speaker 3: as anyone's I've ever seen. Like it's outrageous how good
Speaker 3: he hits iron shots. And you should see him, as
Speaker 3: I said, in money games and stuff. He's come out
Speaker 3: to Scottsdale a ton of times and he played with
Speaker 3: all of us. It's daisy chip nine ten eleven underpart,
Speaker 3: just like hitting the pin with a five one and stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's nots good with his irons, crazy and experience,
Speaker 3: I think as much as I mean on Brooks has
Speaker 3: got all the shots too, but like that experience, even
Speaker 3: though Brooks's experience feels twenty years more experienced, you know,
Speaker 3: you just can't beat experience in the last nine holes
Speaker 3: of a major. You just can't. We're just not very
Speaker 3: used to seeing fifty year olds who can hit at
Speaker 3: three thirty. You know, normally they're sort of done by then,
Speaker 3: you know, but he's still playing like thirty year old
Speaker 3: golf when he's fifty.
Speaker 2: It's nuts.
Speaker 1: He fits your theory about build perfectly in longevity. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that swing is still it's unbelievable how long it
Speaker 1: still is, you know, like I can't swing like I
Speaker 1: saw I'll get twenty three, Like I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's fifty and still getting it
Speaker 1: into the positions he's getting into is just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's an unbelievable athlete.
Speaker 3: Like he's uh, I mean, he talks a big game,
Speaker 3: but he actually really is a I mean, he's always
Speaker 3: if you've got to wait, he sits on the tee
Speaker 3: like all cross legged like a yogi and like he
Speaker 3: looks really comfortable that way, and he's always stretching, and
Speaker 3: like he's hyper flexible, which is clearly showing to be
Speaker 3: an advantage when you're fifty, you know, maybe you and
Speaker 3: I should start stretching a bit more, you know.
Speaker 1: You know the thing about stretching. Somebody explained studying to
Speaker 1: me like this, and it it like, what do you
Speaker 1: think about studying? It's like the easiest thing of the
Speaker 1: world is you. All they're asking to do is sit
Speaker 1: in a chair and read. Right, studying and stretching is
Speaker 1: so similar. It's like all they're asking you to do
Speaker 1: is sit on the floor and stretch. But it's it's
Speaker 1: so difficult to do. I don't understand. And it's just
Speaker 1: some people got it and some people don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 2: I think it's a habit.
Speaker 3: I think when we were young and I was frothing
Speaker 3: on golf and everything, I mean, I'm like just no
Speaker 3: stone unturned headspace, you know, when you're in that golf headspace,
Speaker 3: I would watch TV and to stretch, you know, and
Speaker 3: I'd look for bits of carpet.
Speaker 2: Oh that looks like a good spot. I'll go there.
Speaker 3: I haven't done that for ages, like when then later
Speaker 3: on you get into that. I stretch when I go
Speaker 3: to the gym, and so when you go to the gym,
Speaker 3: you stretch or a little bit. But I used to
Speaker 3: just stretch when I saw a bit of carpet, like
Speaker 3: be in the airport at the gate and I be
Speaker 3: stretching on the ground, you know, And I think, if.
Speaker 2: You can develop, it's just it's a good habit to develop.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm going to try try and start the
Speaker 1: habit tonight.
Speaker 2: Good. But it makes you feel good. You do feel better.
Speaker 1: It's like it's unbelievable. Yeah, I went on a gym
Speaker 1: terror like last year, before the before COVID, and I
Speaker 1: just from stretching before and after in the gym, like ah, sudden,
Speaker 1: I had so much more flexibility. Life was so much easier.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just remember, like later in my career, I
Speaker 3: was always good at warming up on tour and.
Speaker 2: Having a good stretch.
Speaker 3: But it's you'd go, I'd go, I'd go home and
Speaker 3: I'd just go out for a hit at wisp Brock
Speaker 3: something and just rolls rice it straight to the first
Speaker 3: tea and you're like warmed up on about the fourth,
Speaker 3: you know, whereas like the full tour warm up, like
Speaker 3: your first sandwich feels like fluid and oily, and you
Speaker 3: could hit a five line straight away, like it's it's
Speaker 3: very I think it's I.
Speaker 2: Don't know how important it is long term.
Speaker 3: It seems like it's really important, but it definitely makes
Speaker 3: a difference like on that day.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this year's US Open. I
Speaker 1: put together five things, and I'm curious your thoughts on
Speaker 1: these five things. Okay, does any non bomber have a
Speaker 1: chance at toy this year?
Speaker 3: You would think no, but Rocco made the playoff last time,
Speaker 3: so I would say yes.
Speaker 2: Don't ask me for which one.
Speaker 1: What did Rocco? What did Rocco do so well that week?
Speaker 1: As Anne bomber, I.
Speaker 3: Can't remember, but I think he was obviously hitting a
Speaker 3: lot of fairways. He can't A non bomber has to
Speaker 3: hit it straight, That's the only way I mean. And
Speaker 3: I feel like I see the forecast is kind of warm.
Speaker 3: That's going to help the non bombers, because if it
Speaker 3: was one of those chilly, sort of foggy Tory weeks,
Speaker 3: that just makes it play so much longer. Again, if
Speaker 3: the sun's out that's warm, like a campsmith or something
Speaker 3: who's pulling long enough. It's at three hundred yards, but
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be in the bomber category someone like him.
Speaker 3: They're just gonna have to hit more fairways, you.
Speaker 1: Know, short game too, probably right scramble one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're going to be coming into holes like twelve.
Speaker 3: I mean, people who have a been a tory and
Speaker 3: like play twelve from the Ta week play from.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is like it's just outrageous.
Speaker 3: Five hundred yards straight towards the ocean on fairways of
Speaker 3: the border isn't rundon. It's like driver headcover. It's like
Speaker 3: a hybrid or a three wood or something. For some
Speaker 3: players in the field, probably second shot, and then Brooks
Speaker 3: is hitting a seven nine in, so there's a massive difference.
Speaker 3: You're gonna miss greens such long shots, you know, and
Speaker 3: they'll be firm, and they're tricky around the greens a
Speaker 3: little bit tory. They're hard to read, like any golf
Speaker 3: course next to the ocean often has like there's a
Speaker 3: drawer towards the ocean that doesn't make sense sometimes.
Speaker 1: How does it work with the books does the does
Speaker 1: you know, does that help or does it almost make
Speaker 1: you more confused? Then?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always got confused by the books,
Speaker 2: so I never used them. But they're very good. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not up with the last I know when they
Speaker 3: change the rules of the books, the books changed a
Speaker 3: little bit. They got a bit more chilled out. But
Speaker 3: a non bomber can definitely win there or contend they're
Speaker 3: or win, but it's a harder week for them to
Speaker 3: do it. You know, you can't get away with as
Speaker 3: much if you're that much further back.
Speaker 1: I feel like Bryson last year at Wingfoot. Really, you know,
Speaker 1: this isn't a situation like you talked about before beth Page.
Speaker 1: I mean you call that, You're like, nobody that doesn't
Speaker 1: hit it really far has a chance. So this is
Speaker 1: different than bath Page.
Speaker 3: Definitely, yeah, I mean Bethpage is absolutely one. It's Brooks
Speaker 3: and Dustin and Rory and that's it. You know, it's
Speaker 3: just the only way because it's all carry under the green.
Speaker 3: At Bethpage, if you drive it in the rough, you
Speaker 3: cannot run it under the green.
Speaker 1: You just can't.
Speaker 3: They're all surrounded by ruff and grant whereas Tory you
Speaker 3: can run it under the green, so you've got some
Speaker 3: chance from further back, but less chance, but doable. I
Speaker 3: mean there's a lot of great player. Look, there's no
Speaker 3: real short hitters anymore, is there. I mean a short
Speaker 3: hitter isit at three hundred yards now?
Speaker 1: I mean Brian Gay is out there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a tough week for Brian. I
Speaker 3: Mean's and Zach Johnson and guys. There's a tough week
Speaker 3: for guys who are actually the short hitters but still doable.
Speaker 3: I mean Ben Crane won at Tory and the Farmers,
Speaker 3: which is nuts at that time of year, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean it was a really impressive effort at that
Speaker 3: time of year, you know what I mean, because it's
Speaker 3: normally Barba, Jason Day, Leishman, John Rahm, Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys like to smash it, you know, always, always.
Speaker 1: The summer helps shorter hitters, because like that's what everybody's saying,
Speaker 1: is like it's so skewed to bombers at the Farmers,
Speaker 1: But in a way, summer should help shorter hitters a
Speaker 1: little bit because the ball doesn't go a little bit
Speaker 1: further for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can roll it up there.
Speaker 3: And as I said, the ccuou grass is a adds
Speaker 3: an element of Maybe the rough isn't all about like
Speaker 3: power out of the rough, it's like skill, you know,
Speaker 3: because as I said, it sits at various heights, and
Speaker 3: there'll be some really thick ones that are all about power,
Speaker 3: but there'll be some other ones it's all about sort
Speaker 3: of understanding lies and skill and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't know. Yes, it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be Oboma probably will be that.
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Speaker 1: back to Jeff Ogilvie, this wasn't one of my five things.
Speaker 1: It probably should have been. As a player, how did
Speaker 1: was there a different feel to the majors at public courses,
Speaker 1: at your Beth Pages and and tories than there was
Speaker 1: that when you went to the the you know country
Speaker 1: club that's pretty much yeah, that's built the.
Speaker 2: US Open, there's a little bit well, they vary.
Speaker 3: There is a little bit of a different feel I think,
Speaker 3: but they're all very unique. I mean, like the say,
Speaker 3: the four publics that come to mind, It's like pebble,
Speaker 3: which is pebble, so that that doesn't has a.
Speaker 2: Feeling of its own, right. Pinehurst that's pretty unique too.
Speaker 3: That feels different from an Oakmont or a boltus Roll
Speaker 3: or Marion or something. They definitely feel like old school,
Speaker 3: you know, those ones at the old sort of real
Speaker 3: private places. Pinehurst, Chambers Bay that felt really random and weird.
Speaker 3: That didn't feel like a US Open at all, except
Speaker 3: that the scores were like a US Open. You know,
Speaker 3: even though I didn't, I did kind of enjoy the champions.
Speaker 3: They do have a different feel absolutely, But Tory Tory
Speaker 3: has a unique feel for us because we play there
Speaker 3: every year.
Speaker 2: You know, we're all there every January or February.
Speaker 3: We've all played there, the whole field has almost played
Speaker 3: a ton of tournaments there, so it's kind of like
Speaker 3: coming back to where you come every year anyway, So
Speaker 3: it does have a different feel about it.
Speaker 1: That was one of my five things. Is you know,
Speaker 1: with it being a regular tour stop, does it do
Speaker 1: you think it gives younger players an advantage or does
Speaker 1: it favor older players? You know, does it favor younger
Speaker 1: players because there's less to figure out at this US
Speaker 1: Open than say you know, if you were going to Oakmont.
Speaker 3: Probably it's interesting actually in it because if you go normally,
Speaker 3: very often you get to a major and the whole
Speaker 3: field has never played the course, or they only played it.
Speaker 3: In this case, it would be thirteen years ago, you know,
Speaker 3: or it was.
Speaker 1: Like this or a USAM or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas this one, the whole field has probably played
Speaker 3: the course. I mean not only in the tour tournament,
Speaker 3: but like the Junior World and stuff that a lot
Speaker 3: of kids have been playing. I mean, Film's been playing
Speaker 3: there since he was in like five or something like.
Speaker 1: Crazy like, did you play that Junior World thing?
Speaker 2: Never did No, I don't know. I don't remember it
Speaker 2: being on my radar.
Speaker 3: Maybe my parent It was just not on my radar
Speaker 3: because we couldn't afford it. I didn't There wasn't a
Speaker 3: lot of kids going over from Australia at that time.
Speaker 3: I know they started going later on. But anyway, this
Speaker 3: is I think it's an advance. It's always going to
Speaker 3: be an advantage to have played it. More so, while
Speaker 3: it's an advantage for the young guys because they've played
Speaker 3: it a couple of times, maybe in a couple of
Speaker 3: farmers Phil's played it five hundred times, you know, Bubba's
Speaker 3: probably played twelve Farmers, you know, like Leisha's probably played
Speaker 3: ten or twelve or fifteen. I mean, Xander's been playing
Speaker 3: there his whole life. So there's young guys who I've
Speaker 3: played a couple.
Speaker 2: Of tournaments here.
Speaker 3: I know toy, Yeah, but you don't know it as
Speaker 3: well as these guys who have played it that much,
Speaker 3: you know. But there's there's another side of that, in
Speaker 3: the it's completely different. If you've only ever played it
Speaker 3: in the Farmers, then you think Tory Pines is that,
Speaker 3: But when you get there this week, it's completely different.
Speaker 2: Like it's the same cause, but it's a lot firmer.
Speaker 3: It's the greens are going to be completely different the
Speaker 3: way they are set up by the USGA. The rof's
Speaker 3: going to be different. It's going to be like watch
Speaker 3: more cuckoo summer grass and less winter grass. It's going
Speaker 3: to be firmer. So it's going to be a completely
Speaker 3: different style tory than you've ever seen. And I think
Speaker 3: there's a bit of a disadvantage maybe in thinking you
Speaker 3: know what you're going to and playing it like you
Speaker 3: would in February and then like sort of getting caught
Speaker 3: out because it's playing different.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's a funny one because this is the cause that
Speaker 3: probably most professional golfers, at least who play golf in
Speaker 3: America have played the most.
Speaker 2: So it's an interesting one to have.
Speaker 1: A major at always a great field in February, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's it'd be like if they went to Riviera.
Speaker 1: Like Riviera, this one you generally have like the best
Speaker 1: players playing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, always, and I don't look, it was never my
Speaker 3: favorite one, but you would always play it.
Speaker 2: Because it was the first real test, like your test.
Speaker 3: It's always I mean, San Diego is a great place
Speaker 3: to be and the weather's always perfect, but it was
Speaker 3: pretty chilly, like it's in the fifties and sixties when
Speaker 3: you play kind of a damp toy at that time
Speaker 3: of year, and it was a real sort of exposure
Speaker 3: of your weaknesses, if you like, at the start of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 2: So it was good to sort of put in the mix.
Speaker 3: And Tiger kind of made it, at least in my era,
Speaker 3: Tiger made it what it was because he played it. It
Speaker 3: was his first tournament every year usually and he'd always
Speaker 3: win it. And it had great atmosphere because it was
Speaker 3: there and you'd stay in Del Mar Orcelana Beach for
Speaker 3: the week and it's just a fantastic week.
Speaker 2: So you get a good field. So it's it's one
Speaker 2: of the first ones that all like a lot of.
Speaker 3: The Europeans will come over and play that one first,
Speaker 3: you know, the big time guys. It usually gets the
Speaker 3: best players. So I don't know, this is something about
Speaker 3: toy that's attractive. I think it's the San Diego. You're
Speaker 3: on the ocean, even though it's probably not everybody's favorite course,
Speaker 3: everybody loves playing a tournament there.
Speaker 1: Have you ever gone, hang guy, No.
Speaker 2: That looks ridiculous.
Speaker 3: What they do is but you're out of the twelfth
Speaker 3: green the whole course, like along the thing, like you're
Speaker 3: putting on the or you're playing four the long one
Speaker 3: back along the cliff and you're on the green and
Speaker 3: some guy just pops up from below you. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: the first thing is you see is the parachute thing
Speaker 3: all there? Or hang on and he's just like where
Speaker 3: is this guy's down there? And he just pops up
Speaker 3: and they're like forty meters from your head. They're just
Speaker 3: chilling they're waving and stuff. It's just and it's not
Speaker 3: even windy, Like I don't understand how the whole thing works,
Speaker 3: Like it's no chance I'm jumping off that cliff.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it works the first time. How
Speaker 2: do they do it the first time? It's like, mate,
Speaker 2: just put this thing on your back and run and
Speaker 2: you'll be fine. Don't worry about it, Like who's doing that?
Speaker 1: I thought I was wondering about When I sat out
Speaker 1: there last time. I was played with a guy that'side
Speaker 1: the rules comvitee of the USGA, and I told them, listen,
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful about these hand gliders. I think
Speaker 1: they could really impact the championship. I mean they're like flying,
Speaker 1: they're buzzing tower. When you're on four, you know, right.
Speaker 2: There, they right there.
Speaker 3: I think the thing that times in the pro am
Speaker 3: and people always try to explain how it works, like
Speaker 3: the water cup, the wind come or the air comes
Speaker 3: along and it hits the cliff and the air goes
Speaker 3: up right, so there's an updrive as soon as they
Speaker 3: came over. If they came over the fourth aairway, they
Speaker 3: would just fall out of the sky. So they have
Speaker 3: to stay in that sweet spot. But it's and they're.
Speaker 2: Silent, like you cannot hear it.
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's nuts. It looks really fun, but
Speaker 3: it's not something that I would. I just can't imagine
Speaker 3: just running off the cliff and hoping that the kite worked.
Speaker 1: Like what, well, yeah, I mean that's the thing. The
Speaker 1: cliff does that look like a it's a very jagged cliff,
Speaker 1: Like it's just out look like if you hit any
Speaker 1: part of that cliff, you're you're gonna end up with
Speaker 1: like a good device. I bed too, Like one of
Speaker 1: the things I noticed was the shadow. Like also down
Speaker 1: of nowhere, you'll have a shadow just go right over you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, for sure they put you off.
Speaker 3: For sure you cat them because they're kind of up
Speaker 3: here in your headspace, in your eyeline, and like they're
Speaker 3: flying there all the time. And if it's like perfect
Speaker 3: weather and it's like that sort of day, there's like
Speaker 3: twenty of them just going.
Speaker 2: Down and back.
Speaker 3: They just go up and back the cliff, like up
Speaker 3: and down that fourth hole sort of you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's nuts. I don't know if they have air traffic
Speaker 3: control or like how they get out of each other's
Speaker 3: way and stuff. But yeah, it could be a bit
Speaker 3: off putting, but it's so the whole setting there is
Speaker 3: off putting.
Speaker 2: You spend your whole day at Tory just staring at
Speaker 2: the Pacific.
Speaker 3: You can't help it because you can see the Hoyer
Speaker 3: over there and like just checking the surf and is
Speaker 3: their waves and like it's just such a stunning view.
Speaker 3: Almost Pebble is attractive because of the land that's next
Speaker 3: to the ocean, how jagged and rugged and the course
Speaker 3: and stuff. Tory, it's just the ocean. You just can't
Speaker 3: stop looking. They're so massive, you know, it's I don't know,
Speaker 3: you're distracted all day. That's kind of part of the charm,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: And then you have the fighter jets too.
Speaker 3: Fighter jets all day, Yeah, relentless likes relentless. It's like
Speaker 3: top gun all day, which is cool too. Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know who doesn't like watching those things. They're
Speaker 3: very noisy, and I guess they get annoying after a while,
Speaker 3: but there's still a thrill to see every time, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Is there a shot out there that you think about
Speaker 1: more than you know? Like what's the shot or the
Speaker 1: hole that's kind of in the back of your mind
Speaker 1: throughout the round.
Speaker 3: I always really struggled on fifteen. I think fifteen is
Speaker 3: one of the harvest holes in the world. Like it's
Speaker 3: just all the trees up the left. I think there's
Speaker 3: less trees in there were, but there's still to all
Speaker 3: the trees up the left, and you're just always in
Speaker 3: the right ruff behind that tree. There's a little tree
Speaker 3: in the right ruff at driving distance. Any on the
Speaker 3: left side of the fairway you've got tree issues, and
Speaker 3: so you end up going on the right side of
Speaker 3: the fairway in the right ruff and you've just got
Speaker 3: like this four on out of the right ruff that
Speaker 3: you supposed to had a wedge out of because you're
Speaker 3: going under a tree. Like it's just I don't know,
Speaker 3: I find I always was intimidated by that t shot.
Speaker 2: Twelve. Well, going all the way through three is a
Speaker 2: really scary.
Speaker 1: Shot, especially when it's over the left, when.
Speaker 2: The tea's over the left and the pins over the left.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a one eighty, but it's playing
Speaker 3: one forty, you know, but it's blowing a little bit
Speaker 3: and it's just yeah, that's you just you can't get
Speaker 3: the ball on the ground fast enough, but that hole
Speaker 3: doesn't allow you have to hit it in the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a scary one. Four was tough. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Fifteen was my nemosis though. Struggle with fifteen.
Speaker 1: All right, Bryson and Brooks.
Speaker 2: Bryson and Brooks.
Speaker 1: This is this is gonna be one of the fat
Speaker 1: things to watch. Have you ever seen anything like this?
Speaker 2: No? Not really.
Speaker 3: I mean there was kind of there's always small scale
Speaker 3: feuds on tour. You know, someone who got a penalty
Speaker 3: because someone was playing slow, And there was like the
Speaker 3: Sabatini like playing the last hole at Congressional when Brent
Speaker 3: Crane was still putting it on seventeen.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that one.
Speaker 1: Then you Sabatinian taker too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean there's been little ones like that,
Speaker 3: but they just sort of the public got a glimpse
Speaker 3: of what going on, but no one really shared what
Speaker 3: was going on, you know what I mean. This one's
Speaker 3: actually like they're publicly having a bit of a spat.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, it's just the way the world
Speaker 3: is now, you know what I mean, Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like the Brooks is like pattern is to just I'm
Speaker 3: going to win, and I don't like any of you guys.
Speaker 3: While he's playing, you know, he's definitely not like that
Speaker 3: when you're in the locker room, Like he's a lovely guy.
Speaker 3: But his sort of character if you like that he plays,
Speaker 3: is that guy, right, like kind of the enemy a
Speaker 3: little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's just accentuating that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's all in good fun.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's just the world now exposes this
Speaker 3: stuff now because of social media and stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, everything's caught on camera.
Speaker 1: And I think the interesting thing this week too is
Speaker 1: like if you were going to put together like two
Speaker 1: US Open players in a lab, like that's kind of
Speaker 1: who you'd come out with, right, Like those guys are
Speaker 1: are really built for these turbines, and it you know,
Speaker 1: the PGA Tours probably the only professional sports league that
Speaker 1: would shy away from pairing these two people, like, you know,
Speaker 1: you imagine like the NFL not having Bears at Packers
Speaker 1: be a primetime game because you know, or the you know,
Speaker 1: MBA not you know, not showing Kobe and Shaq playing
Speaker 1: against each other when they were you know, a peak
Speaker 1: viewed on national television or to bury this like the
Speaker 1: you know, this is the tournament of the best likelihood
Speaker 1: of a late weekend pairing, because it sounds like the
Speaker 1: U SJA has no interest in pairing them together for
Speaker 1: the first two rounds, so it might be the you know,
Speaker 1: I think everybody wants to see them pair together when
Speaker 1: something matters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it'd be great on the weekend. I think
Speaker 3: it would be doing a disservice to the rest of
Speaker 3: the players in the field on Thursday and Friday, because
Speaker 3: can you I mean, the way crowds are now, crowds
Speaker 3: are a little bit more vocal than they used to be.
Speaker 1: You know, social media I think drives that it's changed.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I mean in my in my era, the Phoenix Open
Speaker 3: changed from a cheerful, loving love a day at the
Speaker 3: golf to like, I'm going there to yell and cuss
Speaker 3: at golfers.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it changed, and which.
Speaker 3: Is fine, But can you imagine what the fans would
Speaker 3: be like if bryce I mean, it would just be
Speaker 3: relentless all day and there'd be other groups around having
Speaker 3: to hear it and listen to it, and it would
Speaker 3: be just it'd become a bit of a sideshow, and
Speaker 3: I think golf needs to be the center of things.
Speaker 3: I think Brooks and Bryson would handle it fine. I
Speaker 3: think that'd be all business and that's just what you do,
Speaker 3: you know. But I think the fans would potentially it
Speaker 3: would be too good an opportunity for them to open
Speaker 3: their mouths. But it would be brilliant on Saturday or Sunday,
Speaker 3: I it'd be fantastic.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the PIP, the Player Impact
Speaker 1: Program And we haven't even toxic as they just stituted it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I started my golf career thinking that it was all
Speaker 3: about merit. Whoever plays the best should get the most rewards.
Speaker 3: This is a contest, after all, you know. And by
Speaker 3: the end of it my thoughts had sort of changed
Speaker 3: a bit, and I think entertainment is a big part
Speaker 3: of this. I mean, we get paid obnoxious amounts of
Speaker 3: money did golf shots around. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 3: should be mostly meritocracy, but I think there are certainly
Speaker 3: players who bring more people to golf tournaments, which make
Speaker 3: us play for more money, which helps everybody by having
Speaker 3: an entertainment side, not just purely being great at golf,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think if more people watch golf,
Speaker 3: like Brooks said, like on their little spat, I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's actually true, if more people are watching golf,
Speaker 3: but if it is true, then it's good for it, right, So,
Speaker 3: but paying people for that, I don't disagree with the
Speaker 3: idea of it, like who's bringing eyes onto the sport more?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: But you know, how are they deciding it? Like how
Speaker 3: do you how do you like sit around in a
Speaker 3: room and decide who you want to pay that? It
Speaker 3: just seems a little bit like rich people paying rich
Speaker 3: people in the way that it's going to be done.
Speaker 3: But the idea of it, I don't mind sitting on.
Speaker 1: The fence well enough, I think that's good. I think
Speaker 1: one of the things I think about it is that
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna go under more iterations and revisions
Speaker 1: than the FedEx Cup did through the first like six years.
Speaker 1: I mean, every year, this thing's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a moving target. You know what how they how
Speaker 1: they rewarded who they pay because and then it's like
Speaker 1: what's a positive versus a negative social reaction? Like was
Speaker 1: that Brooks Bryson thing that like that. What's crazy is
Speaker 1: I looked up the views for the Masters tweeted out, like,
Speaker 1: you know, right after Tiger won in twenty nineteen, the
Speaker 1: video of him like potting out hugging Sam, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking all time iconics worst moment, and that had
Speaker 1: three million views from two years ago. And then you
Speaker 1: look at the Brooks briceon thing. It wrecked up like
Speaker 1: eight or nine million views in twenty four hours before
Speaker 1: it was scrubbed for the internet. You know, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: is that is that a negative or a positive? You know,
Speaker 1: interaction per their whole thing?
Speaker 2: You know, Well, that's it.
Speaker 3: They're only gonna go from my feeling, part of ved
Speaker 3: is only going to go for positive stuff, right, But
Speaker 3: the positive stuff seemingly isn't going to have the impact
Speaker 3: that the negative stuff does.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know how you decide
Speaker 2: who gets it.
Speaker 3: I think clearly there are people who are bringing forty
Speaker 3: million dollars worth of value or more with their social
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like clearly, if you're add
Speaker 3: it all up, if you're add it all up, that's
Speaker 3: just a percentage of what is being brought into the
Speaker 3: umbrella of the tour.
Speaker 2: Really if you add everything up, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, conditioning how you you can bring popularity in with this,
Speaker 3: but only this way. You know, Bryceon and Brooks are
Speaker 3: really add bringing eyes to golf, but it won't be
Speaker 3: in the way that they want them to be doing it.
Speaker 2: But do you do you take that into account?
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's it. I think one of the
Speaker 1: things too, is like with the way golf set up,
Speaker 1: if you compare it to any other major sports league,
Speaker 1: the highest, the best players are underpaid, drastically underpaid, and
Speaker 1: the number or say seventy five to one twenty five
Speaker 1: is drastically overpaid compared to the you know, guys that
Speaker 1: are filling out benches places on other sports teams. Right,
Speaker 1: So I think like it's perfectly justified to figure out
Speaker 1: a way to pay your best players and the people
Speaker 1: that drive, you know, the most to your organizations value
Speaker 1: more money when that's the case, right, And it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of figuring out how the best way to
Speaker 1: do it is. So I'm like in the camp of like,
Speaker 1: these guys should be making more money, but it's just
Speaker 1: figuring out how they should make more money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems a bit sort of random of gry.
Speaker 3: It's a gray it's how you do that. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know, but you're right. The golf is very democratic
Speaker 3: in how sort of it spreads the wealth, you know, But.
Speaker 2: Saying that it's a sport, I don't know. I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's probably the same and aary other sport, But golf
Speaker 2: just seems to be that the five hundredth best golfer
Speaker 2: in the world is really not that far away from
Speaker 2: being top ten, you know, like he's immediately really really good.
Speaker 2: So it's nice to look after guys who were like
Speaker 2: that good. I don't know if every other place is.
Speaker 1: Probably I think my buddy is ranked like four sixty eight.
Speaker 1: He's on the Cord Ferry Tour and he makes no money.
Speaker 1: He loses money most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not how good he is, probably, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're on it's crazy, you know, you're beating
Speaker 2: almost everybody in the world, you know.
Speaker 1: All right, last last thing here by five things list
Speaker 1: the quest for two majors. I got. I got these
Speaker 1: guys listed down, and I'm curious, as a one time
Speaker 1: major winner, how much does a second major win? And
Speaker 1: I got written in here, Like you got your younger
Speaker 1: guys JT, Bryce and Morikala Hideki, and then you got
Speaker 1: your older guys Louis, Sergio, Scott Rose. Those are ones
Speaker 1: that just kind of jumped to mind. Obviously you got
Speaker 1: Gary Woodland too, But I just I have a hard
Speaker 1: time putting Gary. He's a great player, obviously I don't
Speaker 1: I can't put him in this see tears those guys like,
Speaker 1: I mean auto hall of theme, right, you know when
Speaker 1: you get that second major?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, it's interesting. I mean the first group,
Speaker 3: who are we with j T?
Speaker 1: Colin Brayson?
Speaker 3: You think all those guys probably have more in them,
Speaker 3: you know, JT and Colin especially. I feel like Bryson,
Speaker 3: you feel like he's clearly I mean he could win
Speaker 3: five or ten.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows.
Speaker 3: I mean he's so talented and so good, but he's
Speaker 3: also a guy it could go missing from periods just
Speaker 3: of the way he goes about it. I feel like
Speaker 3: he's going to be great or he's going to be struggling.
Speaker 3: I feel like is that I don't know if that's
Speaker 3: fair or not. But and he's got that game, I
Speaker 3: mean the way he did it at wing Foot, like
Speaker 3: no one's going to beat that guy if he plays
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing that's so interesting too, is like I feel
Speaker 1: like we get in this habit of being like, oh,
Speaker 1: he'll get another one, or he'll get one, But we
Speaker 1: put so many guys in that bucket and there's only
Speaker 1: four of them a year.
Speaker 2: There are four a year, And I found from him
Speaker 2: my experience I played, there was something there's something more.
Speaker 2: There's something easier about majors before you've won one, in
Speaker 2: a way, because there's almost like I always felt there
Speaker 2: was less pressure and less expectation before I won one.
Speaker 3: Once I won one, there was more my more self
Speaker 3: put on X expectation, and that always made it harder.
Speaker 3: I found easier in a way because you know you've
Speaker 3: done it, and you know all the guys around you
Speaker 3: haven't done it. Maybe and you feel better about it.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, there's an element of it that
Speaker 3: I put more pressure on myself going to a major. Oh,
Speaker 3: you're supposed to play well in this, because you always
Speaker 3: play well in this, you know, Like I found it
Speaker 3: a bit more difficult.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you see the Patrick Harrington quote before the PGA
Speaker 1: that was like experience, he said. I think he said
Speaker 1: experience isn't all it's cracked up to be. When you
Speaker 1: gain experience, you lose innocence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually thought that quote was really Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was thoughts that had been through my.
Speaker 2: Head for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like one of my favorite golf quotes
Speaker 1: I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: Well, it goes back to you, like your your favorite
Speaker 3: music analogies and stuff in it.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first album, you've.
Speaker 3: Had your whole you've had your whole life to write
Speaker 3: your first album, But the second one is a lot harder.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the same, like you've you've had this
Speaker 3: fire burning in you since you were a kid, or
Speaker 3: since whenever it lit, and you win that first major.
Speaker 3: Duval is the most famous one that I can remember.
Speaker 3: Like he was on the plane on the way back,
Speaker 3: sort of nursing the cleric jug on his lap, and
Speaker 3: he's like, is this all there is?
Speaker 2: Like is this what I was actually dreaming about? Like
Speaker 2: this is great but like empty? Yeah, Like, and I
Speaker 2: think that what happened to guys.
Speaker 3: You see a lot of guys Aisinger and these guys
Speaker 3: who just.
Speaker 1: Burn Sergio a little bit.
Speaker 3: Sergio, Yeah, just burned, just burned to win that first one,
Speaker 3: and then they do and it's like, oh, yeah, that's cool,
Speaker 3: done that now, like and fire goes out a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know. So I don't know, Colin, Colin and JT
Speaker 3: seem to be guys who are going to be top ten,
Speaker 3: top fifteen in the world their whole career. They're going
Speaker 3: to fall into a few you would think, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, JT is so good. I haven't played with
Speaker 3: Colin actually clearly very good. But JT like blows me
Speaker 3: away when I see him play and I played with
Speaker 3: him and the.
Speaker 2: Other guys, jeez, it would be great to see I mean,
Speaker 2: it'd be great to see Scotty or Rosie or who
Speaker 2: was the other one.
Speaker 1: Louis.
Speaker 3: Louis to me is the most deserving out of those
Speaker 3: four that you said, because he's there every single mate.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's finished second and he's like the
Speaker 3: Grand Slam of seconds, you know, like it's just crazy attitude.
Speaker 1: He's an attitude about it just is like he just
Speaker 1: seems like the best guy to play golf with because
Speaker 1: you know, if you beat him, he's just going to
Speaker 1: be a great guy. You know, like to sing that song.
Speaker 1: He did it from the jet after one of us,
Speaker 1: like you know, after he did the Grand Slam, like
Speaker 1: just the best attitude of the world.
Speaker 2: He's a goose. He's so fun.
Speaker 3: He's the funnest guy in the Presidents Cup, like locker room,
Speaker 3: he is so much fun.
Speaker 2: Like he is loose, you know, but.
Speaker 3: He is an unbelievable competitor, Like if you've got in between,
Speaker 3: like when him and Gracie or him and Charla are
Speaker 3: out there in those things, it's like he's as competitive
Speaker 3: as anyone I've ever met. But he seems to be
Speaker 3: able to just flick the switch and not take it
Speaker 3: too seriously, you know, like he's got that great, that
Speaker 3: great headspace where he's all in but not taking it seriously.
Speaker 2: Like it's a bit like DJ, you know, like similar
Speaker 2: different personalities, but that same sort of I'm all in,
Speaker 2: you're not going to beat me today, But when you do,
Speaker 2: shake hands and all let's go have a bit. How
Speaker 2: fun was that? You know? Like I don't know how
Speaker 2: you do that.
Speaker 3: Most guys carry it for like three days and break
Speaker 3: their hand in the locker room or something.
Speaker 2: They're just laughing about it.
Speaker 3: But I'd love to see I think he's the most
Speaker 3: deserving of that older group, just because he's had so
Speaker 3: many close calls in majors and.
Speaker 2: He never really gives them away.
Speaker 3: He just always seems to get out played by somebody,
Speaker 3: you know, like just who's having a better week and him,
Speaker 3: you know, he just got caught up in the Michelson show,
Speaker 3: like at Kiwa, you know, no feeling he might win
Speaker 3: that one, and lots of other ones. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but like Scotty, Who's I mean Scotty, Rosie and Sergio
Speaker 3: all they would be massively popular winners right especially at Tory,
Speaker 3: like if there's anywhere really because they're all hit pretty
Speaker 3: long still. But the putting. Putting is harder when you
Speaker 3: get older, you know. And I just think two of
Speaker 3: those three. Rosy's putting has been pretty solid his whole career,
Speaker 3: but Sergio and Scotty are not like always putting great
Speaker 3: and Tory if anything, Tory riv Pebble are the three
Speaker 3: most testing places to part that we play as.
Speaker 1: Pros, especially especially the later in the day.
Speaker 3: Especially later in the day, I mean Augusta and Oakmont
Speaker 3: and that they're famously fast and stuff, But that's different
Speaker 3: the ball stays on the ground, and it's different, but
Speaker 3: it's you've got to have that putting mindset that Speeth Snedeker,
Speaker 3: Fax and sort of Tiger Woods putting mindset on those greens,
Speaker 3: and it's almost always a guy, uh you know, So
Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough for those guys Sergey and Scotti
Speaker 3: especially because that's, as I said, it's a putting mindset,
Speaker 3: like you never know.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see him win. That'd be great. I mean,
Speaker 2: all any one of those players you mentioned, it'd be great.
Speaker 2: So you win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Louis is so interesting because he gets this bad
Speaker 1: rap about like he doesn't care. You know. There's like
Speaker 1: the famous story about like the agent saying like if
Speaker 1: he if I could just get him to care as
Speaker 1: much about his about golf as he cares about his
Speaker 1: tractors and farm like. But like part of me like
Speaker 1: thinks that's like that's how he's gotten over all these
Speaker 1: close calls. It just keeps coming back, is because he's
Speaker 1: done with golf. He's gone, you know, it's over.
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think sometimes that that's just
Speaker 3: a gift. It's actually there's a bit of jealousy and
Speaker 3: that that he can be that in and not care like,
Speaker 3: but it isn't not caring. It's like Dustin. I think
Speaker 3: Dustin has the is the perfect headspace for a golfer.
Speaker 3: He had a quote last week that was brilliant. It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just hit the ball and see.
Speaker 1: Where it goes.
Speaker 2: Where it is, and that's his that's his how, that's
Speaker 2: his book. Like it's I just hit the ball and
Speaker 2: see where it goes. That that's perfect. Though. We all
Speaker 2: sort of laugh and like think, oh, he's not really trying.
Speaker 2: But he actually is trying as hard as anybody. He's
Speaker 2: just not taking it.
Speaker 1: It's just not life or death, and he's telling he's
Speaker 1: telling exactly what he's thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we all treat it as life or to
Speaker 2: Even Tiger used to treat it his life or death
Speaker 2: a little bit like it was so serious, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like all the way down and so it works,
Speaker 2: but it seems to be taxing on the headspace. DJ
Speaker 2: and lewis like.
Speaker 3: Walking on air when they walk around there, and they
Speaker 3: probably have longevity because of it's just not that.
Speaker 2: Look, it isn't life or death. I'm having a great
Speaker 2: time here and I'm going to beat you. But if
Speaker 2: I don't, oh well I'll get you next time. Nicholas
Speaker 2: was like that.
Speaker 3: Jack used to be like the first guy to congratulate
Speaker 3: the guy had just beating him, you know, and he
Speaker 3: walk off with him in arm and arm and smiling
Speaker 3: and stuff like, well done, mate, that was fun.
Speaker 2: You want to do it again next week?
Speaker 3: Like that's the spirit, I think, and those guys have
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 2: It's a very rare attribute to be able to be
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: People get it well. It's a beautiful thing when it's
Speaker 1: a game that ninety nine percent of the time you fail,
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing choose you up and spits you
Speaker 1: out almost every single time. And like to have the
Speaker 1: headspace to just be like oh whatever, like you know,
Speaker 1: like the rumors are like DJ after so many of
Speaker 1: these close goals, was just like buying the next day.
Speaker 1: It's like that that's enviable.
Speaker 3: It's because the golf is the fun part for them, right,
Speaker 3: Like they're just loving the contest, you know, once the
Speaker 3: contest is over, it's like it doesn't really matter. The
Speaker 3: fun part was actually doing it, Like it's not walking
Speaker 3: home with the Truman Dust's probably got trophies still in boxes.
Speaker 3: That he hasn't got out. You know, he's just not
Speaker 3: doing it for the trophies. He's not doing it for
Speaker 3: the money. I mean the money, it all is about it.
Speaker 3: He's just doing because he loves doing it, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's really kind of so pure and innocent that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you all wish we could be like that, right,
Speaker 2: just enjoy golf for golf and whatever I have. Then
Speaker 2: we'll just laugh about it afterwards, you know. Incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for like the country club hack, just like imagine
Speaker 1: really like oh, you know, okay, enough up championships. You
Speaker 1: could tell that most people don't really enjoy the club championship.
Speaker 1: They feel like they have to play, but then they
Speaker 1: get in the ring and they're just like, oh this
Speaker 1: is I did not enjoy this, Like you know, it's
Speaker 1: like think about just going to enjoy the joy the
Speaker 1: match and the pressure.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's really the match.
Speaker 3: I mean, the sacred sources being more relaxed the more
Speaker 3: competitive it gets, right, you know, like Freddy and Dustin
Speaker 3: and Louis is like they just they're more in their element.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just amazing.
Speaker 1: Do you do you agree? Like I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes the telcast, the pressure has made too
Speaker 1: much in the tournament. Like I feel like where the
Speaker 1: big pressure points are are at the start of a
Speaker 1: tournament and getting it home in a round, right, Like
Speaker 1: when you're on like the thirteenth hole, your pressure levels
Speaker 1: way less than when it was on the first tea, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think like it, especially if you're talking major,
Speaker 3: but any tournament, really the real pressure points are before
Speaker 3: you start the whole tournament, first t first tea. Every
Speaker 3: day Friday afternoon, if you're on the cut line, is
Speaker 3: like one of those pressure moments. And going to sleep
Speaker 3: on a lead is tough, like if you're leading or
Speaker 3: you've got a chance going into Sunday, I think Saturday
Speaker 3: night and Sunday morning are way more difficult than actually
Speaker 3: playing the game, and then you're getting your home the
Speaker 3: last few holes.
Speaker 2: Like even in the US Open, contending or in the
Speaker 2: Masters or anything like that, you have key sort of
Speaker 2: pressure moments, you know, like the t shirt on twelve
Speaker 2: or something, or the Masters or something clearly is like
Speaker 2: a pressure moment.
Speaker 3: But playing the fourteenth and the thirteen of the fair,
Speaker 3: I mean it's not ultra pressure. They're getting the last
Speaker 3: couple of holes, last hole, holding that put for par
Speaker 3: on seventeen to get to be still tired on the
Speaker 3: last there's little points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last part is always tough.
Speaker 3: The last part is always tough because you've always given
Speaker 3: yourself the score, right, like you're going out the last
Speaker 3: year three under.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, if I birdie this, I can shoot
Speaker 2: sixty eight and you have that little twelve. It's like,
Speaker 2: well sixty at least I have sixty nine, just two
Speaker 2: part of this, and you know the three feet passes
Speaker 2: that three foot of his sixty. Oh god, look that's
Speaker 2: the longest reefoot all day, just even though it doesn't
Speaker 2: even matter, like it's just yeah, it's all self inflicted,
Speaker 2: all that pressure, all of it amazing.
Speaker 1: All right, what's uh, what's your pick? Who's your peck?
Speaker 1: What's your wood score?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Well, I would have ram as my favorite, I think now,
Speaker 3: who knows what he's been up to the last two weeks.
Speaker 3: Obviously compromised preparation in a way, but the guy is like,
Speaker 3: if I was going to build a golfer for Tory Pines,
Speaker 3: it would be him, and I'd pick him over the
Speaker 3: other bombers because of his short game.
Speaker 2: Is better.
Speaker 3: I think at those really freaky shots around the greens,
Speaker 3: I think he's just got that flare that sort of
Speaker 3: would suit of you as open.
Speaker 2: So I'll pick Ram.
Speaker 3: And the last time he played, he was six in
Speaker 3: front after three rounds, you know, so he's clearly playing
Speaker 3: pretty well and he's won there before.
Speaker 2: Chofle.
Speaker 3: Clearly Rama would be my pick, but i'd give vulnerable
Speaker 3: mentions to Chofle. I think Louis will do well and
Speaker 3: the smoky would be like Sung j Sung Jim for
Speaker 3: my long shot. Because he's gonna win one. I'll just
Speaker 3: pick him as my long shot until he's not a
Speaker 3: long shot anymore.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He's he's so good he's going to win one for sure.
Speaker 3: And Mats the armor I'm sure has inspired even that's
Speaker 3: a different it's a completely different country, it's still sort
Speaker 3: of inspired and shown sort of South Korea is going
Speaker 3: to win a pile of majors, I would think over
Speaker 3: the next twenty years, you know, and he might be
Speaker 3: like the next guy to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was doing some kJ Choi research and it
Speaker 1: was crazy. He had that high finish in the Masters.
Speaker 1: I want to say, in like early two thousands, it
Speaker 1: was first, like really good major finish, and a reporter
Speaker 1: asked him, you know, how big is this back in
Speaker 1: South Korea and he goes, I don't know where did
Speaker 1: the women play this week? It's wild wild to think
Speaker 1: about that, Like he's playing the biggest, the biggest, uh
Speaker 1: you know, Mad's event and he finishes in the time
Speaker 1: like I think it was t third, you know, highest
Speaker 1: finish ever based South Korean and and he essentially is
Speaker 1: like kind of annoyed that the you know about like
Speaker 1: how nobody cares.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the women are playing their fifth best tournament that week. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 3: Japan's are same. I mean the Japanese ladies do it,
Speaker 3: has thirty five or forty tournaments, and they're massive and
Speaker 3: they play for more than the guys over there, So
Speaker 3: it's it's a more balanced sport over there were balanced
Speaker 3: the other way, like it's out of balance the other way.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know, I think san Jay is nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a just it seems like, well this Higo guy,
Speaker 1: you guys got papeline for the President's Cups team.
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, we'll see, we'll see. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think we're doing so much better in that event. And
Speaker 3: not that we haven't had the talent. But if you
Speaker 3: look at the first couple of President's Cup teams we had,
Speaker 3: I mean it was Norman Price, El's v. J Elkington,
Speaker 3: Like it was like half the top ten in the world,
Speaker 3: you know at the time, Like if we had half
Speaker 3: and we don't have that now, if we had half
Speaker 3: the top ten in the world now, I think we'd
Speaker 3: really be.
Speaker 2: Competitive, you know. So this kid, he looks good.
Speaker 3: He's won five times and twenty starts or something and
Speaker 3: he's just turned pro.
Speaker 2: I remember we met him, and I didn't remember until
Speaker 2: the other day because I saw all the pictures, but
Speaker 2: he was at the Junior President's Cup in New York,
Speaker 2: Like at the start of the week at Liberty Nashville.
Speaker 2: The Junior President's Cup team plays at another venue. But
Speaker 2: then they come and like hang out with us for
Speaker 2: a day and stuff, and it's like there were little kids.
Speaker 3: It feels like, you know, and he's like two years
Speaker 3: later he's won on two four years later now and
Speaker 3: he's went on too.
Speaker 2: It's cool to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 2: That course looks cool. That k Connery looked awesome.
Speaker 1: It's got some neat stuff it's got some other stuff
Speaker 1: where I'm kind of like eh. But the thing that's
Speaker 1: amazing about it, it's like rock hard and fast all
Speaker 1: the time, which is, you know, just a delight to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the best, especially you go in the shoulder season.
Speaker 1: It's dormant too. It just eyes out there.
Speaker 2: Dormoma is great fund to play on. It amazing almost dormant,
Speaker 2: semi dormant.
Speaker 3: You know that's sort of not completely yellow and not grabbing,
Speaker 3: but like that halfway through that thin sort of firm
Speaker 3: ROLLI it's almost a bit like links turf, a little.
Speaker 1: Bit cool place to hang out too. But uh, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. I don't know who I'm picking at.
Speaker 1: I I was between Brooks and Bryson and ive Rom
Speaker 1: and my water does I got I haven't done a
Speaker 1: good job of pace to come out, But uh, I
Speaker 1: think one of those three to me, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think DJ to DJ did exactly what you like to see,
Speaker 1: Like I think I don't if I and I don't
Speaker 1: know how you feel about this. If I'm in contention
Speaker 1: the week before a major and I'm a big player,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing it. I'm I'm getting out of there. I
Speaker 1: want my tea four. I want, I want nothing to
Speaker 1: do with winning the week before a major, just does.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever wins two weeks in a row.
Speaker 2: It's pretty rare. And yeah, I don't know, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what you do. You don't try to not.
Speaker 3: Win, obviously, but maybe you're not really paying quite as
Speaker 3: much attention as you want to a normal time.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, DJ made that late tripler. I
Speaker 1: think you might have just said I don't want to win.
Speaker 2: This look can win anyway, you can taste it up.
Speaker 3: And tory is of course, it is an act made
Speaker 3: in heaven for someone like DJ.
Speaker 1: So her putts well on power too, he does other thing.
Speaker 1: So all right, thanks for coming on and we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you soon.
Speaker 2: No, it sounds good, thanks man,