Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast has never exchanged sandwiches, but
Speaker 1: would for the right sponsor. Welcome to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan hans As.
Speaker 1: I come to you from a virtual room filled with
Speaker 1: some heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Listen to people. People
Speaker 1: got takes. Uh. Some people called it the great betrayal
Speaker 1: when Greg's get out of the show at the end.
Speaker 1: But I think there's two things Mark, that people need
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. Number One, and this is the
Speaker 1: most important thing. Greg came back. Okay, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean we don't have to break bread anymore,
Speaker 1: but Greg came back. Number Two, there were children involved
Speaker 1: and a responsibility, and that's where it gets a little murky.
Speaker 1: But where do you come down with some time to
Speaker 1: really think it over? Seventy two hours later, Mark, I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I really softened um my stance from
Speaker 1: what I spoke about and what you spoke about on
Speaker 1: the show. I do think that um the listeners o
Speaker 1: our seem almost to strongly side with Greg's um parenting
Speaker 1: decision here. I I've noticed a lot of brush back
Speaker 1: and in general, we I think Dan, we get a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, you guys are too hard on
Speaker 1: Greg or you don't stand up to Greg enough. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're in an awkward place in this case.
Speaker 1: I think that breaking bread and circling back to discuss
Speaker 1: this issue UM might still make sense. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: soften my stance or move off of where I've attached
Speaker 1: to on this issue. I did get a note I
Speaker 1: haven't I did want to go back and listen to it.
Speaker 1: Haven't yet, but I want to. UM. But I didn't
Speaker 1: hear that Mark that Mark is extra was extra salty
Speaker 1: these days. That was a comment from from a friend,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what does make sense for Mark
Speaker 1: to kind of let any um like internal thoughts he
Speaker 1: has about me filter it through this idea while I'm
Speaker 1: not there feels like on brand. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: think I was necessarily guiding the ship though Dan. I
Speaker 1: was just you know, I was seeing more Dan is coming.
Speaker 1: I know I was Dan rather boots on the ground
Speaker 1: in Vietnam. Just priorities are out of whack or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what I think it's. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ins and outs and what have
Speaker 1: you involved here? And um, it's a tough situation. But
Speaker 1: I'm glad you came back. I mean what we need
Speaker 1: to do is we need to get another driver's license
Speaker 1: in that house. But I don't know if you want
Speaker 1: to have that conversation on the podcast. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: starting a starting a podcast on time? Would it would
Speaker 1: also help? That would be good. Like we're always starting
Speaker 1: at hands us a clock. Um, it's about seven. I
Speaker 1: love it. Seven after the hour. That's all all that time.
Speaker 1: That's not me relaxing on the couch. That's that's me
Speaker 1: trying to put together the best show. And sometimes it
Speaker 1: goes over to talk about time, and I apologize for
Speaker 1: but anyway, we're still together. By the way, about those
Speaker 1: sandwich we would exchange for a sandwich endorsement, apologies to
Speaker 1: a listener named Doug Chin. I found some coupons he
Speaker 1: sent us for sandwiches for the Super Bowl while I
Speaker 1: was cleaning out my desk in Culver. Didn't we didn't
Speaker 1: use those, so you gave us a nice gift. I
Speaker 1: wish we had done it in San Francisco. Um, I
Speaker 1: think they've expired at this point. I would imagine very nice.
Speaker 1: And I was actually in culver Um for the first
Speaker 1: time our home office in eighteen twenty four months whatever
Speaker 1: it's been and Um eighteen months and I picked up
Speaker 1: our Sharon a f L Australian Rules Football and I
Speaker 1: have it behind me. So all you ausy listeners out there,
Speaker 1: OZ is in UM the garage right now. That was
Speaker 1: from our friend Kristan, one of the earliest UM loyal
Speaker 1: fans from down Under. And you know, I went to
Speaker 1: the office and I was there for I am not kidding,
Speaker 1: maybe three and a half minutes. The only things UM
Speaker 1: in possession on my desk were of an ancient photo
Speaker 1: of my children. They looked like they was from years ago,
Speaker 1: and in a notebook of film notes from like night
Speaker 1: two nineteen. That's all it took home with me. I
Speaker 1: would guess that the photos were from years ago. Well
Speaker 1: they had to be, they weren't current. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's how that works. I guess. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: it's Monday. The true started the season for me. It's
Speaker 1: not the Hall of Fame game. It's not the Canton inductions,
Speaker 1: which by the way, we're gonna dig into a little
Speaker 1: bit with our Hall of Fame Pro Football Hall of Fame, corresponded,
Speaker 1: Nick shook the pipe. He's gonna be here. He was.
Speaker 1: He was boots on the ground dan rather style in
Speaker 1: Canton this weekend where they inducted both class We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Nick about what he saw and heard there, um.
Speaker 1: But also coming up seth Payne. He is boots on
Speaker 1: the ground in Houston during a very odd time in
Speaker 1: Texans history, and we're gonna get the latest on Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson and the mess going on down there in Houston.
Speaker 1: Full show. But what I was gonna say, and I
Speaker 1: lost the train thought and now it's back, is that. No,
Speaker 1: it's not Canton, it's not the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1: It is the premiere of Hard Knocks Tomorrow Tuesday, when
Speaker 1: the season begins, at least for the old zooster Um.
Speaker 1: So check that out on Tuesday and Tuesday nights. My
Speaker 1: recaps go up. Football, Get ready for that. It is
Speaker 1: now happening. The train is on the tracks and it's going.
Speaker 1: I supposed to be ahead, whether Sessler's on it or not.
Speaker 1: I am on it like I have nowhere else to be,
Speaker 1: So I mean, just I'll ride with you. There is
Speaker 1: a fair amount of anxiety the minute hard knocks starts,
Speaker 1: because You're right, the machine is just it's not stoppable
Speaker 1: at that point. Also not stoppable the news right now,
Speaker 1: The fact that that I had to go outside in
Speaker 1: New Orleans from the ages of when I was ten
Speaker 1: to fourteen in the summer on our front street wearing
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt filled with pillows up and down my sleeves
Speaker 1: and my chest so I could catch passes from you
Speaker 1: when it come in totally bruised and in pain for
Speaker 1: days after all those times. Is that if that is
Speaker 1: not mentioned in your speech and I'm not personally thanked
Speaker 1: for that, I'm gonna be a little, you know, a
Speaker 1: little disappointed. I thought about Chris less Ling, thought about
Speaker 1: Mark Zeesler and all the other people that don't really
Speaker 1: like the Manning brother's sense of humor. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit overrated. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I love these goofy dudes and Eli talking
Speaker 1: about what it was like growing up with a athlete
Speaker 1: of Peyton's pedigree coming up through his teen years. And
Speaker 1: by the way, doesn't that sound actually, um, really cruel.
Speaker 1: And I had a little brother, Kevin Danger Hans is
Speaker 1: um and yeah, you get a little rough with your brother,
Speaker 1: but the idea to send him outside and be throwing
Speaker 1: this projectile at him over and over again and knowing
Speaker 1: it could hurt him to the point where you're putting
Speaker 1: protection underneath his shirt and he comes back with bruises
Speaker 1: and in pain. And that's pretty hardcore. And it's hundred
Speaker 1: degrees and about seventy humidity in the summer there that
Speaker 1: that should not be Overlook, you don't want to go
Speaker 1: outside at all, much less to go outside with pillows
Speaker 1: inside you. That's brother on brother stuff. Though. I remember
Speaker 1: my I have a brother, Eric and Er Danger celer
Speaker 1: Eric danger Se I'm not sure that's the middle name,
Speaker 1: but um, he when he was young enough to be
Speaker 1: wearing like footsie pajamas, you know, we'd get up very
Speaker 1: early in the morning and I'd fill from his entire
Speaker 1: pajamas with legos, like little tiny sharp lego pieces, and
Speaker 1: then walk him upstairs to my parents bedroom around six
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning with it zipped up to the
Speaker 1: top and he couldn't move and it hurt because you've
Speaker 1: got sharp lego pieces. This story makes no I don't
Speaker 1: know why I told the story, but brothers do strange
Speaker 1: things to each other, and that seems like a fitting
Speaker 1: thing for the Manning brothers to do. And I also,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think I don't like their
Speaker 1: humor when they're scripted, this stuff that they do. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be great doing that little broadcast version
Speaker 1: of football the football games, because I think they are
Speaker 1: good together. They are funny. I don't like the scripted
Speaker 1: mid career paytent Manning business. That to me was nonsensical.
Speaker 1: They've they've renamed that broadcast by the way, on ESPN
Speaker 1: UM two or whatever. Uh it is now just called
Speaker 1: the broadcast that is going to make Steve Leaving crazy.
Speaker 1: I knew it. This is so on your radar. How
Speaker 1: could they? How piste off are those other ESPN announcers?
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna watch It's gonna watch them. I get it.
Speaker 1: But it's like, hey, hey, career achievement, you got Monday
Speaker 1: night football. Oh, by the way, like we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a way bigger draw and put you on our other channel.
Speaker 1: All right. There is a chance there is is a
Speaker 1: chance that the Manning Brothers broadcast takes off, assuming they
Speaker 1: don't get overly cute and Rob Riggles in the Booth
Speaker 1: and Anthony Anderson properties. I mean, assuming that doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: which is a big assumption, and assuming that it's as
Speaker 1: good as we think it hypothetically could be, and then
Speaker 1: assuming that the um the viewing habits of the NFL
Speaker 1: viewing public is going to want to seek out a
Speaker 1: secondary broadcast. I think it's still gonna be far and away.
Speaker 1: The ESPN telecast gets the most eyeballs and ears, but
Speaker 1: by that, but there's the audience potentially here. I get
Speaker 1: that eagleists. Ultimately, maybe he's like, who is it Richard
Speaker 1: Ditch in the Athletic He's gonna be writing like the
Speaker 1: Week one recap about the Manning Brothers and just Brian
Speaker 1: Greasy somewhere stewing. I don't know what. Like if I
Speaker 1: was in Leavy's position as the lead play by play
Speaker 1: guy from Monday Night Football, I'd be like, that's great
Speaker 1: with the Manning Brothers. I just for me, it's about
Speaker 1: growing the game and the more people that watch it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they're watching me or listening to me.
Speaker 1: It's people watching the game. Because that's how you feel
Speaker 1: that you think would be like you'd be that selfless? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would yeah, please, you would have someone completely taken
Speaker 1: out if they got in your way. There Quon Barkley's
Speaker 1: back in practice for the New York Giants, and thank goodness,
Speaker 1: this comes off the news late last week reported by
Speaker 1: rap Sheet on NFL Network that s Quan could be
Speaker 1: out of action until as late as week three of
Speaker 1: the regular season for the Giants, but also with the
Speaker 1: window open that he could be there for Week one
Speaker 1: as well. So it's still a fluid situation. But it
Speaker 1: was reported throughout social media on Monday that Barkley is
Speaker 1: expected to start practicing this week and he's going to
Speaker 1: come off the pup list as early as Monday. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's happened. It's happened doing individual drills.
Speaker 1: So there you go. So Barkley is officially now on
Speaker 1: the path to get back onto the field. We still
Speaker 1: don't know his availability for the start of the season,
Speaker 1: but this feels like reg step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: It is, but Ian's report late last week that he'll
Speaker 1: be back by at least week three, to me was
Speaker 1: a bigger story because doing some individual drills a month
Speaker 1: out is it's a step. I think it was, you know,
Speaker 1: part of the plan, but it's pretty far away from
Speaker 1: you know, a full load of work and the fact
Speaker 1: that they're already thinking about this a solid month in advance.
Speaker 1: Um I, you know, I think raises real questions, as
Speaker 1: is the fact that sa Kwan Barkley wants a new contract,
Speaker 1: and I think that is absolutely part of the equation here,
Speaker 1: and it gets complicated. I think the Giants want to
Speaker 1: sign him long term, and I think he might want
Speaker 1: to make sure he's a hundred percent healthy before he
Speaker 1: hits the field again if he's not taking care of
Speaker 1: long term and he has been, you know, they studies
Speaker 1: looked impressive running, sprinting, cutting, he was leading certain drills.
Speaker 1: Um yes, I mean it's you know, the whole reporting
Speaker 1: around it is suspicious. I don't think the contract thing
Speaker 1: that only makes sense, um it. It's kind of a tough,
Speaker 1: you know, figure to put on Sikamon Barkley. Decide what
Speaker 1: you're signing for and for how long? Seventeen games over
Speaker 1: two seasons? Why does that make sense? Like, why would
Speaker 1: he have any leverage in a contract negotiation right now?
Speaker 1: I don't think he has leverage, So what is what's
Speaker 1: the point then? If he has no leverage. They've reports
Speaker 1: are that the they've been talking that the Giants are
Speaker 1: interested in getting him long term. And you could just
Speaker 1: imagine though he's at this point where he would maybe
Speaker 1: be a little apprehensive because if he did suffer another injury,
Speaker 1: you know, then he's in big You get the contract beforehand,
Speaker 1: that would be great. I don't know who. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they will the Giants. Do we want to
Speaker 1: do a long term deal with the running back whose
Speaker 1: knee just blew up? Saw? Do I want to sign
Speaker 1: a deal when I'm coming off an injury or it's
Speaker 1: affecting how I'm viewed in terms of how valuable. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It might not be the optimal time for
Speaker 1: him to be pitching his skills. Corey Clement might be,
Speaker 1: you know, the the leader in the clubhouse here for
Speaker 1: week one touches. Uh, it's supposedly the four this former
Speaker 1: Super Bowl heroes looked a little better than um. Who
Speaker 1: is it Davante Freeman who's in there? But these injuries
Speaker 1: like them coming back, it's like, Okay, they're back on
Speaker 1: the field, But oh, b J is another one. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not in our news and but there's no reason
Speaker 1: to be concerned about Oh b J. But he's not
Speaker 1: fully practicing just because he's looked great in all these
Speaker 1: Instagram videos. It's like they're taking it slowly. He's going
Speaker 1: every every other day. It's not eleven on elevens like
Speaker 1: there are steps in this. Like I think you can
Speaker 1: wonder if O b j Ob at full Complimentar snaps
Speaker 1: week one like just because they're on the field, I
Speaker 1: guess is to me is not an idea that they're
Speaker 1: going to really be all the way back alright, And
Speaker 1: other news, let's talk some money. You start with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: This happened last week. The Bills signed their star quarterback
Speaker 1: to a six year, two hundred and fifty eight million
Speaker 1: dollars extension that includes a hundred and fifty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: So he's kind of right in that window. Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: still the top of the mountain, as he should be.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott who got that huge deal earlier this year,
Speaker 1: so he's right in between those dudes. Josh Allen just
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, coming off a season where if
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers doesn't go nuts last year, Allen's probably the
Speaker 1: reigning m v P right now. Mark. This just makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense, and it also for quarterbacks looking
Speaker 1: for a contract. It continues to shape the market for
Speaker 1: what a star quarterback is worth and where everyone else
Speaker 1: falls beneath that. Yeah, I think it's you know, one
Speaker 1: thing I really love about football is that you know,
Speaker 1: in one year's time, we can feel so different about players.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that Josh Allen was one
Speaker 1: of the more polarizing prospects um at quarterback that we've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Certain scouts going absolutely nuts for him. Um,
Speaker 1: the analytics community like, essentially we're mostly down on him. Um,
Speaker 1: there were outliers there. But you know, I think even
Speaker 1: just football watchers, some people look took the early seasons
Speaker 1: of Josh Allen and thought, this guy obviously is athletically
Speaker 1: gifted and freaky, but there's just certain things that quarterbacks
Speaker 1: need to do that he's not able to do. And
Speaker 1: I think he went and put so much work into
Speaker 1: his game. And I look at also Sean McDermott and
Speaker 1: Brandon being this the the absolute loyalty they showed towards him.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the Ravens and Lamar Jackson's like
Speaker 1: he is going to be our quarterback. We're gonna make
Speaker 1: this work, Josh Allen. They have never questioned on any
Speaker 1: level despite all the doubters. Um they've built a really
Speaker 1: nice offense around him. The contract makes complete and total
Speaker 1: sense and kind of looking at how it breaks down
Speaker 1: because it does get more complex for the Bills, who
Speaker 1: have been so aggressive in their team building after next
Speaker 1: season because he makes ten million this year, he makes
Speaker 1: sixteen million next year. That still gives you a solid,
Speaker 1: you know, next year window to make moves and you know,
Speaker 1: position for the super Bowl. But then after that his
Speaker 1: pay puts you into the position of one of those
Speaker 1: teams that has, you know, one of the highest paid quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's harder to maneuver. That said, I love it. I
Speaker 1: love it for Josh Allen. He's one of the best
Speaker 1: stories in the league. Good job by the Bills. You
Speaker 1: keep calling out, you know, the doubters of Aalen and
Speaker 1: I just want you to say my name. I can't
Speaker 1: get you to do it. I don't. I just don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think Greg that you were like the only
Speaker 1: I think it is more a community. I was aggressive
Speaker 1: about it on this show. Well, I mean, if I
Speaker 1: call him out about something that you've you know, been
Speaker 1: faulty on. You could turn around and name probably seventy
Speaker 1: or eighty on me. And I know the way you
Speaker 1: operate is you probably have like a written down list
Speaker 1: of things you have to let me, let me be
Speaker 1: the guy. Just kind of in between here, if we've
Speaker 1: reached a stage where Marks afraid to criticize you because
Speaker 1: you're gonna come back at him, maybe we just need
Speaker 1: to reevaluate some things about the relationships here. We need
Speaker 1: to have that dinner like we're talking about. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wrong a million times and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: honk when I'm right. So look, Josh Allen would have
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of Draft Twitter fired. I don't really
Speaker 1: consider myself part of Draft Twitter. Thank you money, Like
Speaker 1: I like that feeling come at me. Uh. I thought
Speaker 1: Rosen that was a year where I did go and
Speaker 1: watch the stuff and, like, like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I liked Rosen better than Josh Allen. So if if
Speaker 1: Draft Twitter was actually running a team and and they
Speaker 1: happened to be up with the tenth pick, um, they
Speaker 1: would have gotten fired because they would have taken Josh Rosen,
Speaker 1: who I think might see his career, and this month
Speaker 1: he's losing to Nate Sudfeld for the number three quarterback
Speaker 1: spot in I don't know if he's gonna get it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna get another chance. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you know Lamar has won an m v P and
Speaker 1: and Allen, and you know Baker is going to get
Speaker 1: his contract and Alan's gotten this this money. Uh, we
Speaker 1: could have been more wrong anyone who thought Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: was better than Josh. I mean, it's such a crap shoot.
Speaker 1: I remember the year before um Or, heading into last
Speaker 1: season at the Combine, someone that's hugely respected in the
Speaker 1: draft uh industrial complex saying to us, oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy to watch out and stay away from his Herbert
Speaker 1: and justin Herbert. It was one of the greatest wokies
Speaker 1: n history. Quarter Jarneal was taken ahead of him Arnald
Speaker 1: head of Josh Allen. I do think the contract structure
Speaker 1: is just worth pointing out. I've gotten lesson to this overtime,
Speaker 1: but I think it's interesting these guys are taking these
Speaker 1: long deals and okay, it's basically five for one sixty
Speaker 1: four once you break it down. Once we got all
Speaker 1: the details, you know, before the Bills could potentially get
Speaker 1: out of it. So that's like a big commitment that's
Speaker 1: essentially guaranteed that he's getting that one sixty four, which
Speaker 1: is huge, and that's great. That's why josh One would
Speaker 1: take it. But per year, that's only you know, thirty
Speaker 1: one thirty two, Like he's gonna be underpaid sooner than later.
Speaker 1: And both he and Mahomes made the decision, we're gonna
Speaker 1: give up leverage long term and kind of let the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Bills control our entire careers because we're gonna
Speaker 1: sign such long contracts versus what Kirk Cousins did and
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott to a lesser degree, didn't take these shorter deals.
Speaker 1: If you want to make the most amount of money,
Speaker 1: the Cousins and DAC routes actually is the way to go.
Speaker 1: If you want to make sure you're all good and
Speaker 1: you're you're happy with your team and you're gonna be
Speaker 1: happy them kind of controlling your situation for basically your
Speaker 1: whole career. Go to Mahomes Allen route. It's just two
Speaker 1: different routes to go. I don't think one is necessarily
Speaker 1: better than the other. In other contract news, Xavian Howard
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. The two thousand twenty NFL interceptions
Speaker 1: leader restructured his deal with the Dolphins. UM adds three
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars UH and incentives and guarantees. Also,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins waived the nearly one hundred thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: fines for skipping mini camp. I thought that was something
Speaker 1: that can't be done. I don't understand how this mini
Speaker 1: camp you can't. The training camp. The training camp you
Speaker 1: cannot wave those dan and the mini camps you can.
Speaker 1: So there you for clarifying that anyway, So he gets
Speaker 1: a little bit of a raise that makes them happy
Speaker 1: and Willa. He's back at practice UM after sitting out
Speaker 1: the last couple days with an ankle injury. So there
Speaker 1: you go. Xavian Howards back. And also Darius Leonard, the
Speaker 1: star linebacker for the Cults, signed a five year, ninety
Speaker 1: nine point to five million dollar extension that takes him
Speaker 1: through six over fifty million to that is guaranteed. He's
Speaker 1: the highest paid off ball linebacker in the league, beating
Speaker 1: out what Fred Warner just got with the forty niners.
Speaker 1: He should go Xavian Howard. Now, Fred Warner be like
Speaker 1: I'm not playing for the Niners until they richer than
Speaker 1: him anyway. So Leonard gets paid and a huge, huge
Speaker 1: victory for the entire Colts organization. I mean, take a
Speaker 1: second rounder and then all of a sudden, the next
Speaker 1: contract you give him as superstar contract. You did something
Speaker 1: very right in your draft preparation. Well, in that same
Speaker 1: draft too, they drafted Brandon Smith, who was a right
Speaker 1: tackle who played guard in college. They moved him to
Speaker 1: tackle and they gave him a monster contract two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: So those are major wins. It's been a tough month
Speaker 1: for the Colts um, but those are those are two
Speaker 1: major wins for them. And Quentin Nelson is next up.
Speaker 1: They have a lot. All the bills are kind of
Speaker 1: come and do for how well the cults of drafted,
Speaker 1: But those are those are good problems to happen. I
Speaker 1: get just a reminder that like Chris Ballard is a
Speaker 1: premier GM who has been through so much in a
Speaker 1: short amount of time. You have the luck retirement, you
Speaker 1: have the you know, hiring Josh McDaniels, then he backs out,
Speaker 1: You've got what's happened at quarterback? Since what's happening the
Speaker 1: injury too, that he missed a whole there was the
Speaker 1: whole thing they had to deal with before the retirement.
Speaker 1: Either mean, it's been like five or six years of
Speaker 1: quarterback turmoil there and they continue to be a good team.
Speaker 1: I mean, what they're dealing with right now might the
Speaker 1: floor might fall out for this season. We'll see Howard.
Speaker 1: By the way, I do want to mention like he
Speaker 1: it was kind of like the Aaron Rodgers deal. It
Speaker 1: was cosmetic. They gave him a little incentives, that was nice.
Speaker 1: They guaranteed a little bit of his money next year.
Speaker 1: But I mean, he was gonna be on the team
Speaker 1: next year anyways, unless something crazy happened and they gave
Speaker 1: him this verbal agreement. That's the thing that is interesting
Speaker 1: to me that they'll revisit it assuming his performance an
Speaker 1: injury status doesn't fall off. And it's kind of what
Speaker 1: the Right Packers did with Rodgers. I guess I'm just
Speaker 1: curious how this like verbal agreement, we're gonna revisit things
Speaker 1: I haven't seen player. I'd be careful of that. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's something they very easily a team will
Speaker 1: walk away from if it doesn't help them on some level. Alright,
Speaker 1: Eight o'clock to light. The Athletic reports a T. J.
Speaker 1: Watt staging a holding at training camp until he gets
Speaker 1: a contract extensions. Turning twenty seven in October. One of
Speaker 1: the best defensive linemen in the league. Greg he wants
Speaker 1: to get paid the holdings they're taking off. This was
Speaker 1: such a quiet one. Stephan Gilmour on the po P
Speaker 1: list also quietly, I think having his own holding. So
Speaker 1: I think some money is gonna need to happen for
Speaker 1: either one of these players to get back on the field.
Speaker 1: Cornerback C. J. Henderson could be on the movie. ESPN
Speaker 1: reports and multiple team executives believe the Jaguars are shopping
Speaker 1: the cornerback. He was the ninth overall pick in the
Speaker 1: NFL draft. Mark, Yeah, I just it's a reminder. I
Speaker 1: think urban Meyer clearly has his types of guys, and um,
Speaker 1: it's happening with DJ Chark a little bit too. He
Speaker 1: didn't like his body the way he was sort of
Speaker 1: a little too light. I think with this there is
Speaker 1: a reporter down their Eugene for Net, who basically tweeted
Speaker 1: when he was When Jaguars coaches last year were exiting
Speaker 1: town fired, someone said watch out for c J. Anderson
Speaker 1: off the field. I think there's something else going on here,
Speaker 1: be John beyond just his talent. In other Jaguars news,
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer said DJ Shark had surgery on what was
Speaker 1: the minor break in his hand? Come on, Greg, minor
Speaker 1: breaks in a hand for a wide receiver. No such thing.
Speaker 1: And they say they say I'll be back week one.
Speaker 1: I believe that. But when I start reading the camp
Speaker 1: pipe about La Kwan tread while looking good filling in,
Speaker 1: that's a little, a little considerning Will Lutz is gonna
Speaker 1: miss the start of the regular season with a groin injury.
Speaker 1: Tough news in the Old Kicker Club. Careful to comment.
Speaker 1: Eleven Saints that were starters to end last year might
Speaker 1: not be starters this year. That's that's the big number eleven. Uh.
Speaker 1: And finally, Lamar Jackson noncommittal on getting the vaccine after
Speaker 1: receiving or getting COVID for the second time. He's not
Speaker 1: ready yet. He needs to learn more facts. Some of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks taking these stances. It's our yeah, Cam Newton's
Speaker 1: another one. Jackson also had significant symptoms for the second time.
Speaker 1: Because he talked about how it was, it was pretty brutal.
Speaker 1: First time around, and John Harbor intimated it was pretty
Speaker 1: brutal this time around two, which is crazy. But he's
Speaker 1: still learning. He wants to learn more. Who could teach him?
Speaker 1: Who could possibly teach the man I don't learn? Maybe
Speaker 1: back to it and Kirk Cousins is back also, as
Speaker 1: did you guys say that? Well he is and he
Speaker 1: he actually um, he ruminated to the assembled media. Hey,
Speaker 1: maybe I could build a plexiglass a little Kirk World
Speaker 1: around my body so I won't get COVID. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can't wear that shot, bro, and he could wear that
Speaker 1: on the field he struggles with pressure, have a nice
Speaker 1: little plexiglass thing around him. Could you do that on Sundays?
Speaker 1: Though I don't think that would be allowed. Greg. I'm
Speaker 1: just so like exhausted by it all. And I understand
Speaker 1: here is the obligatory people get to make their own decision.
Speaker 1: I get it, Um, but don't don't tell me you're
Speaker 1: thinking about building plexiglass around your body in the in
Speaker 1: the quarterback room and then also blame the team for
Speaker 1: the reason I was a close contact was because my
Speaker 1: quarterbacks room was too small, So it's their fault. But
Speaker 1: I got sick just so I don't believe in it.
Speaker 1: Just stop stop hiding behind I need to do more
Speaker 1: researchers that it's personal. It's not personal. This is this
Speaker 1: is a public health crisis. It's other people that that
Speaker 1: we are concerned. You're a public figure on a very
Speaker 1: public at a public workplace of football team, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: All these guys just be honest. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they're not being honest. You get the feeling. You also
Speaker 1: get the feeling that Mike Zimmers just lost patients with
Speaker 1: the whole Kirk Cousins experience. One item like big plexiglass, Like,
Speaker 1: what a year it's been for them. I'm not happy
Speaker 1: for why it's happened, but like classrooms all over the
Speaker 1: country have like, you know, hundreds of meters of plexiglass
Speaker 1: used room. I mean, you know, plexiglass probably doing all
Speaker 1: right all the time, but now they just exploded over
Speaker 1: the last Why did you just slip into the metric
Speaker 1: system there? What was that about? What is this guy?
Speaker 1: You lived in England and you spend time in hundreds
Speaker 1: of Yeah, my English days were my best days? You
Speaker 1: were like three? How do you? Why are you? I'm
Speaker 1: not I've also not said any of that so again,
Speaker 1: it's just it's misquotes, it's false narratives. I am hundreds
Speaker 1: of meters, and plexiglass is something that you could say
Speaker 1: visually that works. It's a measurement metric. I know, it's
Speaker 1: just unusual, especially we're a football podcast. You could have
Speaker 1: easily said yards. It was painful though, watching the Olympics
Speaker 1: and and seeing the American announcers try to convert the
Speaker 1: meters in the shot put and auff like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much Olympics you watched, but it was
Speaker 1: like it was a painful exercise. It It really made
Speaker 1: me feel like, let's go America at least like mathematical
Speaker 1: graphics that would do that instantly. Why are they having
Speaker 1: to do that sort of fair point. It seemed like
Speaker 1: they were doing it in their head. They're like sixty four,
Speaker 1: that's six. Well, you know, come on, we can handle meters,
Speaker 1: all right. So that's what's happening in the news. And now,
Speaker 1: as promised, he is the man, the myth, the legend.
Speaker 1: He is um shaved in the head area. He is
Speaker 1: very well built physically. He's an Ohio native. So going
Speaker 1: up Canton, what a ball must have been for the
Speaker 1: pipe Nick Shook, who rejoins us on the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast to share his adventure in Canton for a
Speaker 1: big Hall of Fame weekend. What's up, Chokie? You hear
Speaker 1: that made those noises this morning? You're feeling quirk bright
Speaker 1: and that all shook because you know you're on the show.
Speaker 1: You're like, Hey, I'm the big guy. I'm the strong
Speaker 1: guy on the show. Um step Pain's coming on later.
Speaker 1: Uh played at six four three oh four when he
Speaker 1: was in the NFL. There's there's enough room for the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's enough room for big guys everywhere. It's okay. I'm
Speaker 1: never threatened because when you are a large man, you
Speaker 1: are confident in your in the space that you take up,
Speaker 1: in the space that you must give others. Listen to
Speaker 1: that list, I was prepared to answer. I like that shook.
Speaker 1: All right, So you were boots on the ground there
Speaker 1: saying boots on the ground a lot. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: moratorium on the boots on the ground refs by the
Speaker 1: old Zuoster and the biggest of all spots on the show.
Speaker 1: For the rest of the podcast, all right, Shook, you
Speaker 1: were in attendance in canon, it was a, it was
Speaker 1: a different weekend. Give people like a cliffs notes of
Speaker 1: why this was different, uh compared to past Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame weekends. Well, typically a Hall of Fame weekend you
Speaker 1: got a maximum of eight and Shinese. But because of
Speaker 1: COVID cancelation last year you had a little twenty eight.
Speaker 1: This year you had two classes. And you didn't just
Speaker 1: have two classes because that number mental math, Well why
Speaker 1: why shouldn't that be sixteen? Well, last year they had
Speaker 1: the biggest class ever, known as the Centennial Class, to
Speaker 1: mark the NFL's one hund your anniversary, and then they
Speaker 1: didn't get to celebrate them. They used the Centennial Class
Speaker 1: to get some uh, some guys who had slip through
Speaker 1: the craft previous years into the Hall of Fame. Um So,
Speaker 1: as a result, I believe eight of the members are
Speaker 1: no longer with us. But that still left twenty to
Speaker 1: be enshrined. So they had to split that up over
Speaker 1: two days, twelve on Saturday, eight on Sunday, the first
Speaker 1: time I believe that they've ever had a two day enshrinement.
Speaker 1: And somebody who has been too many of these growing
Speaker 1: up just up the road from there, um it was
Speaker 1: it was strange to see Chris Berman used the same
Speaker 1: opening line two nights in a row, and it was
Speaker 1: also strange because like that's usually like the crescendo of
Speaker 1: the weekend, and you were like, we got done with twelve,
Speaker 1: which kind of felt like a marathon, and then you
Speaker 1: got to Sunday and you're like, wait, we're doing this again,
Speaker 1: and you were like hanging out. You're hanging out in
Speaker 1: the little interviews and whatnot. Do your best. Burman his
Speaker 1: his one of one part of his opening line was
Speaker 1: after two long years away, all right, I'll say it
Speaker 1: were back back back here in Canton, and he did
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's funny, and like it
Speaker 1: got a nice cheer. And then he did it Sunday,
Speaker 1: but like he sped through it like he knew. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm doing this twice. It's the all right,
Speaker 1: I said it. That makes it sound rehearsed your breath
Speaker 1: waiting for it. It's also a baseball thing, so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit yeah, but it's part of his brand.
Speaker 1: So I guess I understand. We'll give part of all
Speaker 1: of our childhoods. We're gonna give Burman a class past
Speaker 1: year with me. Leather alright, So I think the headliner
Speaker 1: of the weekend is Peyton in it, and I think
Speaker 1: um Manning um really and when it was good to
Speaker 1: read about him this weekend because the way things his
Speaker 1: career ended, even though he want a Super Bowl US
Speaker 1: last season, he was such a shell of his former self.
Speaker 1: But then when you go back and kind of remember,
Speaker 1: especially those cold tears, and how we revolutionary revolutionized the
Speaker 1: game from the line of scrimmage, and just how great
Speaker 1: he was for so many years, it was just great
Speaker 1: to see Peyton any again. And and let's queue it
Speaker 1: up um with hearing uh some of that again, that
Speaker 1: Manning humor that Mark loves so much. The two thousand
Speaker 1: and twenty one induction class wants to thank those previous
Speaker 1: inductees who gave long winded acceptance speeches, forcing us to
Speaker 1: have a whopping six minutes to recap our football careers.
Speaker 1: I want to give us special thanks to my old
Speaker 1: rival Ray Lewis for being here tonight. Ray just finished
Speaker 1: giving his speech that he started in two thousand and eighteen. Bam,
Speaker 1: And then Tom Brady was in attendance. Nice classy move
Speaker 1: by Brady. Uh. These two men going back decades as
Speaker 1: great rivals. Also, Brady looking nice started look like George
Speaker 1: Hamilton by the way, as he gets deeper as into
Speaker 1: his forties. Uh, here is what Peyton had to say
Speaker 1: about Tommy Boy. Next year acceptance, Peaches will probably shrink
Speaker 1: the four minutes. And speaking of rivals, my good friend
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is here tonight. By the time he is inducted.
Speaker 1: By the time Tom Brady is inducted in his first
Speaker 1: year of eligibility in the year two thousand and thirty five,
Speaker 1: you only have time to post his acceptance speech on
Speaker 1: his Instagram account. The choke, Yeah, yeah, he absolutely know
Speaker 1: the fund My favorite part about that, that sequence of
Speaker 1: jokes was something we didn't get on air, but they
Speaker 1: got on the video boards at the stadium. Ray Lewis
Speaker 1: got out of his seat in reaction to uh, the
Speaker 1: joke that Peyton made his expense it was started walking
Speaker 1: menacingly towards that would have been that would have been
Speaker 1: something that w w He just got up and took
Speaker 1: his hat off and did the whole waving and everything else.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing. Reminds me of the Chiefs locker
Speaker 1: room and hard Knocks. During the dance off, people just
Speaker 1: running all over the place. Collard's greatest moment we shook.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you real quick. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know you were there. It's the thing I love El Canton.
Speaker 1: It is a great weekend. It's a great kind of
Speaker 1: primer for football in general. It's something very pure about it.
Speaker 1: But the access you can just walk around all over
Speaker 1: the place. How I think Tom Brady to me is
Speaker 1: getting hotter and hotter. Um, he looked very dangerously summary
Speaker 1: in that clip. We just saw how close did you
Speaker 1: get to Tom Brady? That's really the only thing I
Speaker 1: care about. Um, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of meters away?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, good ref Brady's Brady's presence there um reminded
Speaker 1: me to settle a score here on this podcast. How
Speaker 1: remember that Peyton Manning Super Bowl when he was playing
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in the big conversation was the centerpiece of
Speaker 1: our NFL dot com that day was will this would
Speaker 1: this win cement Manning as the greatest quarterback of all time?
Speaker 1: And it's a reminder, you know, for you Lebron people,
Speaker 1: it's like, we don't need to decide these legacy things
Speaker 1: mid career. Why do you need to settle scores like this.
Speaker 1: I just think because they're only one year apart, became
Speaker 1: of them as like different general rations. Now it's like,
Speaker 1: wait till the end of the careers and then we
Speaker 1: can have those discussions. That's certainly fair, Greg, that's certainly fair.
Speaker 1: But I think what gets forgotten because Brady is just
Speaker 1: what he's done no one's ever done before. A few money,
Speaker 1: right again, what what Brady's that has never been done before?
Speaker 1: And all due respect to him, and I think he
Speaker 1: is the greatest with these last five years. But what
Speaker 1: Manning did, how he changed the position, and essentially what
Speaker 1: he did in the late nineties and early two thousand's
Speaker 1: is the template for how all quarterbacks are now. Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is another example. Like, I think there's something to
Speaker 1: be said for that. Yes, the longevity isn't the same
Speaker 1: as Brady. Brady has more Super Bowl wins, But who
Speaker 1: was the more kind of important quarterback to the evolution
Speaker 1: of the position. I think that's still certainly something you
Speaker 1: could say, Peyton Manning fair unfair? Mhmm. I think I
Speaker 1: go Brady in every category that exists ever, but there
Speaker 1: isn't like that you're saying how hot he is that.
Speaker 1: I mean, no one would have even thought Brady was
Speaker 1: in the same league of of Peyton Manning until like
Speaker 1: two thousands six even, And that's when you can even
Speaker 1: start talking about them against each other. And you're right,
Speaker 1: Dan like the just the like the mastery of it
Speaker 1: in a way, though I don't know if Manning is
Speaker 1: a symbol of like changing the position. If anything, I
Speaker 1: feel like he's the last of his kind, like he
Speaker 1: was the court. Belichick said it on that Top one
Speaker 1: hundred show. He playing Manning was like playing the coach
Speaker 1: to the coordinator in the quarterback and one he's calling
Speaker 1: all his own plays. He it is his offense. You
Speaker 1: saw that when you go to Denver. They basically just
Speaker 1: made you know he was the coach. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if there is a quarterback now, I don't think
Speaker 1: there is that has that much control. And that goes
Speaker 1: back to like Johnny Unitis. I mean, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't even think Tom Brady ever was at the same
Speaker 1: exact level of running an offense the whole time as
Speaker 1: Manning was. I vastly disagreed, but I just think in
Speaker 1: terms of the way the coaches were and in more
Speaker 1: in terms of the play calling on the field like
Speaker 1: that was some old school Peyton Manning stuff. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we spent some time in this past season marveling and
Speaker 1: and we've done this before with Russell Wilson a few times.
Speaker 1: I think he might have been two years ago when
Speaker 1: his helmet, the radio shut off and he just led
Speaker 1: this drive. He was calling all the place down the field,
Speaker 1: and that was like a big deal that we made
Speaker 1: a big point that that was Peyton Manning on every
Speaker 1: possession of every game he played in for more than
Speaker 1: a decade. Yeah, he also raised the bar. Manning His
Speaker 1: dedication to his craft was and Brady gets all the
Speaker 1: love in this category and he deserves it as well.
Speaker 1: But Manning's dedication uh to what he stayed in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: in the offseason. That's all he did. All he did
Speaker 1: was trying to get better, work hard, be the coach,
Speaker 1: like Greg said, be the best player on the field,
Speaker 1: be totally responsible. As West used to say all the time.
Speaker 1: He created that skyline in Indianapolis. He was so important
Speaker 1: to that organization. So I don't know, I just think
Speaker 1: because Brady's Brady star is so bright, I think it's
Speaker 1: taken away on some level what Manning represented and what
Speaker 1: he is in the league throughout the late nineties, throughout
Speaker 1: the two thousand's into the two thousand tens. Everybody kind
Speaker 1: of forgets because they got destroyed by the Seahawks and
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl and that was an historic Seattle team.
Speaker 1: But how awesome man he was when he went to
Speaker 1: the Denver and had the fifty touchdown passes. Fifty five
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, that's incredible. On jeviy, the fact that the
Speaker 1: wheels fell off at the end is kind of a bummer. Um.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's just the way the
Speaker 1: Manning brothers are built because Eli similar thing happened. UM.
Speaker 1: I wonder if anything could have changed, or he did
Speaker 1: have the next surgery, had some serious injuries. Um, if
Speaker 1: there's any way, Uh, if fates were different, maybe him
Speaker 1: and Brady are are are lockstep in their forties. But
Speaker 1: it didn't work out that way. What else shook in
Speaker 1: terms of the weekend stood out to you. I know
Speaker 1: it's a big weekend for the Cowboys too. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean to that last point, I just just to
Speaker 1: kind of close that that topic, you know, when when
Speaker 1: writing about that on Sunday, and in the lead up
Speaker 1: to this too, I kind of always wanted to make
Speaker 1: a point that there was a time, as we just
Speaker 1: discussed that there was a debate between where you a
Speaker 1: Painton Manning guy? Are you? Were you with Tom Brady guy?
Speaker 1: It was those two at the top of the league.
Speaker 1: And that was it. There was no other argument otherwise.
Speaker 1: And and and I think that their legacies can coexist
Speaker 1: in the fact that they were different for the reasons
Speaker 1: that we just discussed their strengths and weaknesses and and
Speaker 1: what made their their legacies stronger in one area. And
Speaker 1: and and you know Peyton and all the stats and
Speaker 1: everything else. Tom Brady with the rings, we can go
Speaker 1: on and on. So he's got a strong top five
Speaker 1: or top four, whatever number you want to put it.
Speaker 1: On an argument Peyton Manning, Yeah, absolutely, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and his contributions of the game should not be overlooked.
Speaker 1: And I thought that it was. It was I was surprised. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I talked to the president of the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame in the lead up to this about two
Speaker 1: weeks prior to Yeah, David Baker, Yeah, David Baker, and
Speaker 1: he told me that, you know, we were talking about
Speaker 1: the short and speeches, and they had a time limit.
Speaker 1: He goes Peyton has already sent his and told me
Speaker 1: beforehand that he was writing for six minutes. And when
Speaker 1: he got up there, he was he was very um.
Speaker 1: He had like a pace to it was well paced,
Speaker 1: like he was really trying to get everything in there,
Speaker 1: and it almost as if he was a little nervous,
Speaker 1: which I was a little surprised and being kind of
Speaker 1: uh endearing considering the guy that he is speaking in
Speaker 1: front of seventeen thousand people there. That's a little bit
Speaker 1: when you're playing and you're in the moment, it's a
Speaker 1: little different on a podium in such a big moment
Speaker 1: his life. So anyway, what else from the weekend shoking? So,
Speaker 1: my favorite experience the whole weekend was the gold Jacket Dinner,
Speaker 1: which is on traditionally on Friday Night's. Typically in past
Speaker 1: years it would be um, you know, kind of the
Speaker 1: dignitaries of Canton and some fans would be able to
Speaker 1: buy tables and they would have meals and kind of
Speaker 1: be among the company of families of of of gold
Speaker 1: jacket you know receiver in Shrinese, those those people in
Speaker 1: the returning gold jackets but because of COVID, it just
Speaker 1: became kind of an event that they just sat down
Speaker 1: in the rows of seats. But the lead up to
Speaker 1: it in this adjacent area called the McKinley Room, where
Speaker 1: they basically had a cocktail hour that was about two
Speaker 1: two and a half hours, and it was just all
Speaker 1: these Hall of famers one after another and their families
Speaker 1: and friends. I mean, you want to talk about who's who,
Speaker 1: and seeing football legends of you know, the past fifty
Speaker 1: plus years all meeting and talking. It was just a
Speaker 1: great experience to witness. I've seen it before because I
Speaker 1: volunteered doing this growing up, but it's a it was
Speaker 1: a very exclusive event and to just kind of be
Speaker 1: on the fly on the wall and and hanging out,
Speaker 1: hang out in the back and and just you know,
Speaker 1: see these guys interacting and and you know, I watched
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis getting an argument with Booker McFarlane and Derrick
Speaker 1: Brooks is nearby eating shrimp and just laughing in between
Speaker 1: every bite of shrimp as they're like passionately arguing about
Speaker 1: something over at buffet table, and then a few steps
Speaker 1: over there's Tony Dungee talking to Berman Uh. And then
Speaker 1: you know, you look over here and it's Frank o'harris
Speaker 1: talking to Alan fannaka Jackie Slater in Orlando, paced two rams,
Speaker 1: great tackles, hanging out, meeting up with Isaac Bruce. You
Speaker 1: could go on and on, but my favorite moments from those,
Speaker 1: like one of my favorites was, you know, Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: has a son and a daughter. His son's name is Marshall,
Speaker 1: and he was dressed to the nines, but he was
Speaker 1: also very focused on making the most of his first
Speaker 1: trip to Canton. He had a football, you know, one
Speaker 1: of those white Hall of Fame footballs that are made
Speaker 1: to be signed, and he covered that thing with as
Speaker 1: many signatures from Hall of famers as he could get,
Speaker 1: doing laps for almost the entirety of the event leading
Speaker 1: up to the actual gold jacket uh ceremony, and it
Speaker 1: was just it was great to watch this kid. You know,
Speaker 1: you can obviously see that he looks like his dad,
Speaker 1: and you just walk around his little suit getting sit
Speaker 1: one signature after another and after another, and uh, it
Speaker 1: was just quite a scene. It was quite a scene.
Speaker 1: You were a are you kidding me? You don't have
Speaker 1: a gold jacket. I don't have a gold jacket. I'm
Speaker 1: not worthy of a of an autograph in that situation,
Speaker 1: nor in any other situation. But you did a great
Speaker 1: job writing that up. By the way, neck, I think
Speaker 1: anyone should should give that a read. I do think
Speaker 1: it would be interesting, um to get some sort of
Speaker 1: a clothing type person to provide someone like me. It
Speaker 1: was like five ft eight with a Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: and a totally fitted Hall of Fame jacket and walk
Speaker 1: around Canton like you totally own the place, and people like,
Speaker 1: is that a kicker? Did he? How did this person
Speaker 1: get into this hall? Like just absolutely act like you
Speaker 1: are part of the Everybody will think you're a guy
Speaker 1: like that gonna be my choice. Yeah, you would fit
Speaker 1: in some of the older guys. You know, gravity has
Speaker 1: its effect shrink of her time, not saying that you
Speaker 1: look old, but hype wise, statue wise, you probably I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean Drew Pearson rather played at one eighty, so
Speaker 1: I I can imagine he's not at that now, like
Speaker 1: he he just finally made the Hall of Fame, the
Speaker 1: great Um Cowboys receiver who started that number eighty eight tradition?
Speaker 1: Who's who's a big character? And like if he was
Speaker 1: one eight in his career. Yeah, he probably, he's probably
Speaker 1: not too much bigger than than Mark Sessler right now.
Speaker 1: He pointed out during a speech he goes different pigment,
Speaker 1: but yeah, of course, and and he's got less hair
Speaker 1: than Mark does. Uh so that's where he and I
Speaker 1: was doing something else that's a little different pigment. Is
Speaker 1: that what? Um? All right, Chookie, You've said it all
Speaker 1: unless you have something else to add. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game was kind of a snoozer, but
Speaker 1: preseason football tends to be like that. But what was like,
Speaker 1: um or anything after the game and stud terms of
Speaker 1: talking to players and coaches, just being a media again
Speaker 1: at like NFL game Tames and that was great. I
Speaker 1: mean it was. There was no specific highlight other than
Speaker 1: the fact that it was just great to be in
Speaker 1: a stadium again, um, largely full stadium, a crowd that
Speaker 1: you could tell was very excited to just cheer for
Speaker 1: something together. That was awesome. And yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: Mark Michael Parsons is awesome. Like the Steeler and not
Speaker 1: to see there's the Cowboys nailed that. I think if
Speaker 1: he stays healthy, I'm really excited to see him on
Speaker 1: the field. In the regular season action. He wasn't on
Speaker 1: the field very much, but you couldn't you could not ignore,
Speaker 1: and he caught your eye on almost every play. Some
Speaker 1: of these opt out dudes from college, I'm keeping someone's
Speaker 1: gonna have to write like the analysis of this. But
Speaker 1: the guys that skipped playing last year, if they I'm
Speaker 1: just curious how they're going to do. Because there's a
Speaker 1: couple Joe try and with the Bucks being another one
Speaker 1: who come out like like a house on fire. And
Speaker 1: if if players start coming into the NFL as good
Speaker 1: or better than they would have been if they had
Speaker 1: played college football in the first place, like a lot
Speaker 1: more people are just going to be skipping. I just
Speaker 1: I just read about the top prospects. He's get this
Speaker 1: final year of high school to go to before we know,
Speaker 1: people just like just gonna skip. Everything's gonna go from
Speaker 1: like seventh grade straight to the NFL. And bick, this
Speaker 1: is the path he's going to Ohio State because he's
Speaker 1: set to make up to a million dollars in n
Speaker 1: I L money as soon as he gets there and
Speaker 1: he might not even play yet. Unbelievable. Shookie, Um, thank
Speaker 1: you buddy, Great to see you. And UH, if you
Speaker 1: would be so kind, We're gonna need your help again
Speaker 1: come regular season time with Sunday Night recaps in the
Speaker 1: regular season. If you if you can help us out
Speaker 1: with that, we will be very, very happy. That's not
Speaker 1: even a question. You already know. I'll be here cool,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you get all the Browns games. Mark
Speaker 1: has surprisingly volunteered to just cover the Bengals almost now
Speaker 1: I'm going to be staging to hold and to have
Speaker 1: my salary doubled. That's, you know, keep doing the work,
Speaker 1: but a lot of antagonism. We'll give you an escalator
Speaker 1: for every Bengals game you do over the Browns, not
Speaker 1: including Brown's Bengals twice a year. Negatory. There he goes
Speaker 1: the pipe. They call him um More Hall of Fame note,
Speaker 1: by the way, before we bring on Seth Paine and
Speaker 1: special congratulations to Bob Lauber, friend of the show, all time,
Speaker 1: good guy, Rockland County guy. Um And he's worked for
Speaker 1: Newsday in the New York market, UH for decades. And
Speaker 1: he received the two thousand twenty one Bill Nunn Junr Award,
Speaker 1: which is given to reporters who put in the work
Speaker 1: for years and years and years and it's a great
Speaker 1: recognition of a great guy. So Bob Blauber, congratulations on that.
Speaker 1: That is quite a career achievement. Yeah. Well, the first
Speaker 1: time I ever met Bob here, you're here, Gregor's here, right.
Speaker 1: He's just a total gentleman, you know, actually because he
Speaker 1: is the Pro Football Writers Association lead right now, he
Speaker 1: actually called me up a cut all right, so he
Speaker 1: was He called me up to have an earnest, honest
Speaker 1: conversation about why I could not be allowed into that,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this guy is an absolutely great guy.
Speaker 1: But the first time I ever met him was at
Speaker 1: this other event. He came up and talked about our
Speaker 1: show long time ago when it was the four of
Speaker 1: Us with West, and he said, I want you to
Speaker 1: know something like I've been covering football for a really
Speaker 1: long time. What you have right now, the four of
Speaker 1: you is very special and it won't last forever, and
Speaker 1: it always stuck with me. But he also was dead
Speaker 1: on right. He just has good perspective. He's a good
Speaker 1: person and he's a great football reporter. Congrats Bob, love
Speaker 1: you buddy all right now. As promised, God, we love
Speaker 1: this dude too. Another another friend of the court. He
Speaker 1: is the co host of the morning show on Sports
Speaker 1: Radio six ten in Houston. He spent ten years in
Speaker 1: our league. It's really his league with the Texans and Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Cornell Guy. Ever heard of it? It is the great,
Speaker 1: the legend Seth Paine, Welcome back to the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL VODA. One of the song is UM Live, one
Speaker 1: of the great bands ever. Of course, Pain lies by
Speaker 1: the river Side. I think it works a lot. It's
Speaker 1: got your name in it, but also there's right now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pain in Houston around the Texans.
Speaker 1: UM and like the seminal at rock band, UM your
Speaker 1: legendary as well. So that's your new intro if you're
Speaker 1: cool with them. Yeah, no, that's great. I think they're
Speaker 1: out of York p A two, which is at least
Speaker 1: within six hours where I'm from. Originally, I mean, like
Speaker 1: Live you peaked, you know, fifteen years ago, my physical
Speaker 1: bad peak, my celebrity peak, all of that. It was all.
Speaker 1: I mean, they should have figured out that the Internet grows.
Speaker 1: If you're attempting to search for Live anywhere on the Internet,
Speaker 1: it brings up everything. But the band, I mean, just
Speaker 1: a terrible express on part there. They were by far
Speaker 1: the dumbest s e O band of the midnighters. Just well,
Speaker 1: no they weren't. That was bear naked ladies. True. Alright, seven,
Speaker 1: enough of that? Do you see? You're the man you
Speaker 1: are dealing with? What are you dealing with? I know
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys, you got that you stick at
Speaker 1: the Astros down there and you got your heads in
Speaker 1: the sand about what their reality. But that's good. They're
Speaker 1: playing great baseball and good stuff on that. But the Texans,
Speaker 1: what's it like around the Texans? Right? It is? You know,
Speaker 1: when I first got into sports radio, I used to
Speaker 1: look up synonyms for dumb or stupid, because that's a
Speaker 1: word you use a lot or overuse, you know, like
Speaker 1: at this Incoln poop, Look at this moron, look at
Speaker 1: this dullard. Now I've I've realized, I've got I've got
Speaker 1: to start looking up synonyms for weird because I found
Speaker 1: myself saying weird over and over again. This is let
Speaker 1: me say, at this stage, uh, for like just today
Speaker 1: today was the day of training camp. Um, we're out
Speaker 1: there discussing. Let's see, how's how's Tyrod Taylor gonna look?
Speaker 1: You know, if he starts sixteen games this year. Well,
Speaker 1: Davis Mills potentially start sometime in the first half of
Speaker 1: the season. Jeff Driscoll is your number three quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Meanwhile, meanwhile, mind you, Deshawnson is standing right
Speaker 1: there on the practice field. We're we're having these conversations
Speaker 1: about Tyrod Taylor and Davis Mills in in Deshaun Latston
Speaker 1: standing right there. It's it's really weird. It's strange, it's um.
Speaker 1: And yet at the same time, I would say that
Speaker 1: it hasn't been outwardly as much of a distraction as
Speaker 1: I would have thought it was. It doesn't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't read dysfunction or mayhem or anything
Speaker 1: at least on the faces of the players who are
Speaker 1: all just trying to make the team. Yeah, and let
Speaker 1: me set it up as I should have before we started.
Speaker 1: Watson um he practiced on Monday. He can't. He reported
Speaker 1: to camp July and then he we know, he requested
Speaker 1: the trade, all the legal issues. He practiced for the
Speaker 1: first five days. He's practicing as a safety or running back,
Speaker 1: some some idiocy, and then he disappeared for five days
Speaker 1: and now he's back again. Yeah, and let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. The Venerable John McClean, uh down there, um
Speaker 1: tweeted very matter of fact ly today, Deshaun Watson will
Speaker 1: never play another snap for the Texans. Do you believe
Speaker 1: that as well? Um? I personally I would believe anything
Speaker 1: anybody tells me about what will happen three months in
Speaker 1: the future with this team. But right now if I
Speaker 1: had a handicap, but I don't think Deshaun Watson's gonna
Speaker 1: play for the Texans. I think they'd like to trade him.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest obstacle, by far is that you
Speaker 1: have this extremely murky legal situation that's not any less
Speaker 1: murky now than it was three months ago, where Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson's being accused of sexual assault in the civil courts
Speaker 1: by twenty two women. There are ten women who have
Speaker 1: filed criminal complaints against him for sexual assault during massage
Speaker 1: therapy sessions. Two of those women aren't part of the lawsuits.
Speaker 1: You have eighteen other women that have vouched for Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson who are who provided him massage therapy at some point.
Speaker 1: All in all, there's about forty five women that we
Speaker 1: know of that he's pursued massage. There be from in
Speaker 1: the past year or so. Uh. They his attorney is
Speaker 1: at least admitted to consensual sexual activity within some of
Speaker 1: these massages, which would sound a whole lot like prostitution.
Speaker 1: And guys, I'm gonna tell you, Greg, I think I
Speaker 1: heard you a couple of weeks ago talk about how
Speaker 1: largely it seems like people have stayed hands off with
Speaker 1: this because it's such a it's so complicated, and there's
Speaker 1: just almost no way to talk about it without like
Speaker 1: spending twenty minutes explaining all the vagaries of it. So
Speaker 1: I'll stop right there trying to explain the details. There's
Speaker 1: no there doesn't look like there's any end insight. Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson it does not want to settle. According to all reports.
Speaker 1: If he did settle, it would, according to his attorney,
Speaker 1: only be if there was no nondisclosure. So like usually
Speaker 1: somebody settles and that's it. They don't want any of
Speaker 1: the plaintiffs to talk about it. DeShawn is actually saying, no,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. I want to be
Speaker 1: able to tell my side of the story. And it
Speaker 1: looks like there might not be any clarity on the
Speaker 1: legal side things until next January February, when Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: would first be interviewed by UM, by the by the attorneys.
Speaker 1: So I I think that this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: murky situation. The commissioner is exemplest is probably gonna happen
Speaker 1: at some point and nobody trades for him until next spring.
Speaker 1: That's my personal read on it right now, right and
Speaker 1: that that makes all the sense in the world everything
Speaker 1: you just said, except for like what's going on this week,
Speaker 1: Like someone make a decision. Someone make a decision, whether
Speaker 1: it's the Texans or the NFL. Ultimately, I understand why
Speaker 1: Watson just where he is right now is showing up
Speaker 1: to work, so you you need to take it out
Speaker 1: of his hands. Because you said it's like murk you know,
Speaker 1: as murky as it was three months ago. It's murkier
Speaker 1: because the criminal investigation is going on, and that that
Speaker 1: wasn't the case initially, and that that's that brings a
Speaker 1: you know, potential jail time. It's everything, and yeah, everyone's
Speaker 1: saying like they're managing it great, like that's fine. The
Speaker 1: the guy who us turned your whole franchise over to
Speaker 1: is there in the building. It's it's gotta be on
Speaker 1: everyone's mind. It's gotta be weird to use uh, to
Speaker 1: use your word, and like David Culley, like, I know
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna say, well, he's getting paid great money to
Speaker 1: do this, Like he's he's not getting paid enough to
Speaker 1: just like look like a ham and egger up there
Speaker 1: trying to answer these questions that are impossible to answer
Speaker 1: every day. They the Texans organization are putting him in
Speaker 1: a terrible uh spot by like rolling him out there,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't understand like where and like
Speaker 1: if this is going to end before the season, like
Speaker 1: do it now? And if it's not, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: you've got to do something, NFL, do something Texans. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think so I'll tell you my theory.
Speaker 1: And I've received some positive feedback on this theory. But
Speaker 1: I think at least part of the Texans strategy right
Speaker 1: now is, Hey, everybody, who's gonna wait and see if
Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson showed up or not. You know, once all
Speaker 1: these allegations came out, DeShawn had Deshaun had threatened to
Speaker 1: why DeShawn had asked for the trade back in January,
Speaker 1: That was before all the allegations came out, but the
Speaker 1: question would be, Okay, what happens if DeShawn shows up?
Speaker 1: And I think there there are likely at least a
Speaker 1: couple of things going on with the Texans. One is
Speaker 1: that they perhaps just wanted to make it as uncomfortable
Speaker 1: as possible for Deshaun Watson so that he would either
Speaker 1: consider waving his no trade clause if that were a factor,
Speaker 1: or or be that he might decide, all right, this
Speaker 1: isn't worth it, I'm leaving. Then the Texans could start
Speaker 1: finding him, perhaps getting him a conduct detrimental avoiding some
Speaker 1: of the guarantees. There's that, and then there's also the
Speaker 1: possibility that the general manager, Nickissario just flat out doesn't
Speaker 1: want to let this precedent of a just dis gruntled
Speaker 1: player being able to just say, well, my ankle hurts
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna stay over in the training room, and
Speaker 1: and that's where we are. I'm with you, Greg, and
Speaker 1: the Texans have not earned any They've they've not earned
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt with anything they've done over
Speaker 1: the last two years, except now that they're in this situation.
Speaker 1: I don't I really don't know what the what the
Speaker 1: correct avenue out of it is, you know, do you
Speaker 1: wait until next spring when you can maybe get three
Speaker 1: or four first round picks? Do you do you just
Speaker 1: try to dump them off right now? And honesty? How
Speaker 1: about occasionally answering questions honestly because he's he's lining up
Speaker 1: as their fourth string quarterback, so it's you know, how
Speaker 1: about do something with like integrity and just tell tell
Speaker 1: the public, which you don't think you owe anything to
Speaker 1: except you're asking for season tickets to be bought. Um,
Speaker 1: how about being transparent with them? Well, that's a lot
Speaker 1: to ask in the NFL. That's uh, that's that That
Speaker 1: might be a that's a tall glass of water to
Speaker 1: ask somebody to suck down and look, this is Look,
Speaker 1: this is the team that when they hired Nick Kissario
Speaker 1: from New England, they sat at the press conference and said, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't want to be called New England South anymore.
Speaker 1: Like you're just you're introducing a guy that you just
Speaker 1: hired from New England. This is this is what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do. You're trying to be in New England South.
Speaker 1: So that part, that part has been super awkward because
Speaker 1: David Culley, who I'm still convinced that probably of NFL
Speaker 1: fans When I say David Culley, don't know who the
Speaker 1: hell I'm talking about. He's the head coach, um hasn't
Speaker 1: been a coordinator in the NFL. Hell of a nice guy,
Speaker 1: almost almost too nice, I think, because he's the one
Speaker 1: that is left to answer questions every week, and I
Speaker 1: think they've given him his marching orders about what he
Speaker 1: should and shouldn't say, and he has a really, really
Speaker 1: hard time with it, And I like, I'd like to
Speaker 1: say he inherited this situation, but he accepted the job
Speaker 1: when he knew that Deshaun was was asking for a trade.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's an absolute mess. Do you think
Speaker 1: that the theory I have here Seth is with with
Speaker 1: Cully and I hope it's not true. But he's an
Speaker 1: older guy. He gets a chance to be a head coach,
Speaker 1: so of course you're gonna take the job. But then
Speaker 1: I wonder if behind the scenes, the Texans aren't looking
Speaker 1: for their future at head coach. They're just looking someone
Speaker 1: for someone to manage this absolute catastrop before the organization,
Speaker 1: a good guy to take the bullets, and then when
Speaker 1: it comes time to move forward with whatever comes up next,
Speaker 1: with this organization, Cully will be shown the door as well,
Speaker 1: and I guess he'll be paid well for it. But
Speaker 1: I just wonder in terms of the integrity of the
Speaker 1: hiring process, if Cully is ever going to get a chance,
Speaker 1: uh to really lead this organization onward out of this
Speaker 1: proteculent mess. If I think you're exactly on the right
Speaker 1: track there, Dan. And that's what's scary, because there's one
Speaker 1: thing you know about the NFL. You really can't have
Speaker 1: a master plan. There is no hey, this is how
Speaker 1: things are gonna work out over the next three, four
Speaker 1: or five years because things change every single year. You
Speaker 1: have different different issues pop up. And and I know, look,
Speaker 1: one player told me that that Jack Easter be the
Speaker 1: director of team development or wherever the hell he is
Speaker 1: right now during the season told him that this might
Speaker 1: not be a one coach fixed, that there would be
Speaker 1: the second coach that gets you out of here. So
Speaker 1: I think that that's very much that's very much in
Speaker 1: play for for what they're thinking. So don't don't worry.
Speaker 1: There's a plan. That's the uh. You know, like is
Speaker 1: a is a drunken bridge builder tells you is his
Speaker 1: pants are falling down around his ankles. Don't worry. We've
Speaker 1: got a plan. You'll be fine. You'll get through this storm.
Speaker 1: You know. You also worry about someone like Nickissario, who
Speaker 1: I think you know is very potentially talented general manager,
Speaker 1: tiring out and going back to New England like some
Speaker 1: people do if this thing gets ugly enough. But you
Speaker 1: are down there, you're dealing with you. I think about
Speaker 1: the fans too. You've got all these people that have
Speaker 1: been Texas fans since two thousand two, and there seems
Speaker 1: to be this massive disconnect, more so than any team
Speaker 1: in the league, and more so than any franchise I
Speaker 1: can think of right now where you know, the owner,
Speaker 1: this Jack Easterby guy and the rest of them. They're
Speaker 1: all talking left and right, and they're trying to act
Speaker 1: like there's all this integrity around what they're doing, and
Speaker 1: the fans have been completely you know, tossed out the
Speaker 1: side of a moving car by the side of the road.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're dealing with these guys calling in all
Speaker 1: the time. What is that? Are there are there fans
Speaker 1: out there that are saying, we just want to see
Speaker 1: de Shaun Watson no matter what happened or most people
Speaker 1: thinking like this is a train wreck. They gotta find
Speaker 1: their way out of the thing. What's the mental state
Speaker 1: of this badgered fan base. I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: consensus necessarily right now. And one of the one of
Speaker 1: the weird moments out at camp this year was Deshaun
Speaker 1: was out there the first few days, Okay, that was strange.
Speaker 1: Then the first day that fans were allowed in the
Speaker 1: textans allow about two thousand fans and they've got a
Speaker 1: nice covered area and at one point during practice, a
Speaker 1: we want to Shaun cheer started started coming up. We
Speaker 1: want to Shaan, we want to Shawn. And I think
Speaker 1: it was the next day that Deshaun stopped coming out
Speaker 1: to practice before, so that that little hiatus there they had.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that was team motivated. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was Deshaun motivated. Whatever it might
Speaker 1: be there, there's some people and I guess you know
Speaker 1: that Mark is the other dynamic here. That's interesting as
Speaker 1: you you ask, okay, which which GM is gonna trade
Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson, because there's a pr component there. You're
Speaker 1: you've got this guy that's accused by of sexual assault
Speaker 1: by many many women. Is because of the complexity of
Speaker 1: this thing, and because of the nature of it, if
Speaker 1: Deshaun were to settle, if Deshan were to settle in Houston,
Speaker 1: and if somehow the criminal charges you know, weren't filed
Speaker 1: and you never face charges, I think because it is
Speaker 1: so complex, you know how it is with the public,
Speaker 1: If it's kind of if it's if you want the
Speaker 1: public to know a really really complex news story, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen because people want to hear give it
Speaker 1: to me in three sentences and let me know how
Speaker 1: to feel about it. And this, this case isn't quite
Speaker 1: like that. It's all these individual cases with different accounts
Speaker 1: from different women. Um, some of the cases are likely
Speaker 1: much much stronger than some of the other cases. And
Speaker 1: I think that if he gets if he were to
Speaker 1: settle and go to another town, I think that would
Speaker 1: be it would probably be easier to smooth over than
Speaker 1: than it would be locally or with some other fan bases,
Speaker 1: or with some other other types of transgressions, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's too But it also makes me believe
Speaker 1: the actors trying to trade Watson, now, whether that's Watson's
Speaker 1: camp or the Texans, are comically full of themselves that
Speaker 1: they think another team would go for him now with
Speaker 1: the criminal investigation up in the air. I just I
Speaker 1: just think it's so tone deaf, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's working. I think I think you've seen like these
Speaker 1: little rumors pop up that are quickly squashed down. No one,
Speaker 1: no one's trading for a guy who could be going
Speaker 1: to jail for sexual assault. Like sorry, like whoever is
Speaker 1: like endeavoring to want to do that? Like that's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen for you. And that's where Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: where it gets really confusing, because we don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: every attorney is gonna say, well, look, my client's not settling,
Speaker 1: we don't want to settle, but is it perhaps closer
Speaker 1: to him settling, And in which case, a lot of
Speaker 1: times if the women are part of the women there's
Speaker 1: only two women that have filed criminal complaints, but that
Speaker 1: aren't also part of the lawsuit so far that we
Speaker 1: know of, So would the vast majority of those go away,
Speaker 1: the criminal complaints go away if you were to settle.
Speaker 1: That's one of the big X factors. But you're right, Greg,
Speaker 1: I think in terms of asking for transparency from the team,
Speaker 1: if they if they wanted to be completely transparent, I
Speaker 1: think they'd have to say, look, there's no end in
Speaker 1: sight for this legal matter. We're probably not going to
Speaker 1: get the right price or the fair price for DeShawn
Speaker 1: until we know exactly what's going on there. So we're
Speaker 1: just gonna put them on hiatus. And they might just
Speaker 1: be waiting for the league to put Deshaun on the
Speaker 1: commission as exemple lists to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: I agree from a pr standpoint. You know, frankly, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't think there as a depth
Speaker 1: and I don't think they have the pull in the
Speaker 1: sway with the League office that maybe some other ownership
Speaker 1: groups would. Um, you've said it all, but before you leave,
Speaker 1: I'd love you to get in a plug. You have
Speaker 1: a podcast as well, The Deceptively Fast It's the Deceptively
Speaker 1: Fast Pot. I got a feeling that you might have
Speaker 1: been all that at some point during your career. That
Speaker 1: was a grinder. I wasn't you know that much of
Speaker 1: an athlete, But I was just a football player, damnit.
Speaker 1: Remember Gary Mueller. One time I had a really great play,
Speaker 1: and um, I had a really great play. It was
Speaker 1: actually like maybe one of the more impressively athletic plays
Speaker 1: of my career. And Gary Mueller was was watching the play,
Speaker 1: trying to compliment me, but insulting me the entire time.
Speaker 1: But you've got here is a guy did I'll tell
Speaker 1: you he's not the fastest guy. He's not that strong,
Speaker 1: ugly at birth mother didn't love it, but look at him.
Speaker 1: That's just a football player. That's a one fail. You
Speaker 1: had the double playmark in set. You're you're a big
Speaker 1: white guy. Yeah, and you were Ivy League educated, so
Speaker 1: you had that like what Ryan Fitzpatrick gets as well,
Speaker 1: where it's like, well he he obviously he's smart, diligent,
Speaker 1: he works hard. You have two things working simultaneously well.
Speaker 1: And just like Ryan Fitzpatrick to try to counteract that,
Speaker 1: I did some really stupid things on the football field.
Speaker 1: I mean I jumped offside three times in one half
Speaker 1: before as a nose tackle. I mean that if there's
Speaker 1: other if I can't fight, if I can't fight the
Speaker 1: perception that way, I don't know what I can do. Alright,
Speaker 1: that's h he said it all. Let's hit says theme
Speaker 1: music as as we sign them off and again fom at,
Speaker 1: says Shirtless a lot if I remember, didn't, Yeah, all
Speaker 1: the time. I hope to have you, um, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about Nico Collins and the wide receiver battle or
Speaker 1: something else to do with the Texans at point. He's
Speaker 1: one of those opt out guys that you said might
Speaker 1: might show up really excel with a better quarterback. He
Speaker 1: might be really excited to watch Nico. I like pain
Speaker 1: to be agitated that I do this. I think that
Speaker 1: you you've you've hit a home run with us, because
Speaker 1: you're sort of always bent out of shape and a
Speaker 1: little agitated with that franchise, which I need to take
Speaker 1: the bait with that astro's dig either, so that I
Speaker 1: mean just the class acts and then I'm immune to that.
Speaker 1: I'm immune to as Oh no, oh, did somebody sneak
Speaker 1: an inflatable trash can into the stadium and they threw
Speaker 1: it into the right field? Oh you you clever, clever folks,
Speaker 1: tell you. Let me tell you another thing. These kids,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this or not.
Speaker 1: This this this pavilion full of twelve year old chanting
Speaker 1: bleep l tub a bleep l tub is there is
Speaker 1: there drooling and salivating and OsO proud fathers stood around
Speaker 1: filming it on their cell phones. I just go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead. The one, the one guy that refused to participate, well,
Speaker 1: one of several that refused to participate in the cheating scandal.
Speaker 1: A five ft six kid out of Venezuela, who who
Speaker 1: whose parents made about one one hundreds of what your
Speaker 1: your rich and fancy parents made. I can't wait. I
Speaker 1: can't wait until you're arrested trying to buy meth your
Speaker 1: sophomore year at Brown or something. You know that I
Speaker 1: got to that he was wired for sound in the
Speaker 1: alcs An eighteen. And you know, I'm about about all
Speaker 1: right there you go? Thanks? Wow, Okay, he painted a
Speaker 1: picture there, the meth sophomore at Brown, and I'll buy it.
Speaker 1: Uh Um, all right, wow? I mean you want to
Speaker 1: talk about to the great contributors to the program, Seth
Speaker 1: Payn and Nick Choke. Thank you to both of them
Speaker 1: for joining us today. We'll be back on Wednesday. A
Speaker 1: little bit of a different schedule this week with some
Speaker 1: things moving around, and also with the preseason kicking off
Speaker 1: for all thirty two teams on Thursday, so our next
Speaker 1: podcast will be on Wednesday. Our NFL Network program will
Speaker 1: be on what is it air on Friday morning or Thursday?
Speaker 1: I believe Friday morning taping Thursday, but that's of no
Speaker 1: import to anyone, but it's it will be on television,
Speaker 1: I believe Friday, although I could be wrong. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: get back to you with info on that. We're going
Speaker 1: to clarify that on Wednesday's program, But thank you to
Speaker 1: everybody for listening. Until then, he'd the call S S
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