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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast has never exchanged sandwiches, but

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Speaker 1: would for the right sponsor. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan hans As.

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Speaker 1: I come to you from a virtual room filled with

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Speaker 1: some heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Listen to people. People

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Speaker 1: got takes. Uh. Some people called it the great betrayal

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Speaker 1: But I think there's two things Mark, that people need

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Speaker 1: to keep in mind. Number One, and this is the

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Speaker 1: but Greg came back. Number Two, there were children involved

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Speaker 1: But where do you come down with some time to

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I really softened um my stance from

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Speaker 1: Watt staging a holding at training camp until he gets

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Speaker 1: a contract extensions. Turning twenty seven in October. One of

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Speaker 1: the best defensive linemen in the league. Greg he wants

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Speaker 1: to get paid the holdings they're taking off. This was

431
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Speaker 1: such a quiet one. Stephan Gilmour on the po P

432
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Speaker 1: list also quietly, I think having his own holding. So

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Speaker 1: I think some money is gonna need to happen for

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Speaker 1: either one of these players to get back on the field.

435
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Cornerback C. J. Henderson could be on the movie. ESPN

436
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: reports and multiple team executives believe the Jaguars are shopping

437
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Speaker 1: the cornerback. He was the ninth overall pick in the

438
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Speaker 1: NFL draft. Mark, Yeah, I just it's a reminder. I

439
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: think urban Meyer clearly has his types of guys, and um,

440
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Speaker 1: it's happening with DJ Chark a little bit too. He

441
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Speaker 1: didn't like his body the way he was sort of

442
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Speaker 1: a little too light. I think with this there is

443
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Speaker 1: a reporter down their Eugene for Net, who basically tweeted

444
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Speaker 1: when he was When Jaguars coaches last year were exiting

445
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: town fired, someone said watch out for c J. Anderson

446
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Speaker 1: off the field. I think there's something else going on here,

447
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Speaker 1: be John beyond just his talent. In other Jaguars news,

448
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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer said DJ Shark had surgery on what was

449
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Speaker 1: the minor break in his hand? Come on, Greg, minor

450
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: breaks in a hand for a wide receiver. No such thing.

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Speaker 1: And they say they say I'll be back week one.

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Speaker 1: I believe that. But when I start reading the camp

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Speaker 1: pipe about La Kwan tread while looking good filling in,

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Speaker 1: that's a little, a little considerning Will Lutz is gonna

455
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Speaker 1: miss the start of the regular season with a groin injury.

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Speaker 1: Tough news in the Old Kicker Club. Careful to comment.

457
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Speaker 1: Eleven Saints that were starters to end last year might

458
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Speaker 1: not be starters this year. That's that's the big number eleven. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Lamar Jackson noncommittal on getting the vaccine after

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Speaker 1: receiving or getting COVID for the second time. He's not

461
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Speaker 1: ready yet. He needs to learn more facts. Some of

462
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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks taking these stances. It's our yeah, Cam Newton's

463
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Speaker 1: another one. Jackson also had significant symptoms for the second time.

464
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Speaker 1: Because he talked about how it was, it was pretty brutal.

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Speaker 1: First time around, and John Harbor intimated it was pretty

466
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Speaker 1: brutal this time around two, which is crazy. But he's

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Speaker 1: still learning. He wants to learn more. Who could teach him?

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Speaker 1: Who could possibly teach the man I don't learn? Maybe

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Speaker 1: back to it and Kirk Cousins is back also, as

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Speaker 1: did you guys say that? Well he is and he

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Speaker 1: he actually um, he ruminated to the assembled media. Hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe I could build a plexiglass a little Kirk World

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Speaker 1: around my body so I won't get COVID. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: can't wear that shot, bro, and he could wear that

475
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Speaker 1: on the field he struggles with pressure, have a nice

476
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Speaker 1: little plexiglass thing around him. Could you do that on Sundays?

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Speaker 1: Though I don't think that would be allowed. Greg. I'm

478
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Speaker 1: just so like exhausted by it all. And I understand

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Speaker 1: here is the obligatory people get to make their own decision.

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Speaker 1: I get it, Um, but don't don't tell me you're

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Speaker 1: thinking about building plexiglass around your body in the in

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Speaker 1: the quarterback room and then also blame the team for

483
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Speaker 1: the reason I was a close contact was because my

484
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks room was too small, So it's their fault. But

485
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Speaker 1: I got sick just so I don't believe in it.

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Speaker 1: Just stop stop hiding behind I need to do more

487
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Speaker 1: researchers that it's personal. It's not personal. This is this

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Speaker 1: is a public health crisis. It's other people that that

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Speaker 1: we are concerned. You're a public figure on a very

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Speaker 1: public at a public workplace of football team, all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: All these guys just be honest. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: they're not being honest. You get the feeling. You also

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Speaker 1: get the feeling that Mike Zimmers just lost patients with

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Speaker 1: the whole Kirk Cousins experience. One item like big plexiglass, Like,

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Speaker 1: what a year it's been for them. I'm not happy

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Speaker 1: for why it's happened, but like classrooms all over the

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Speaker 1: country have like, you know, hundreds of meters of plexiglass

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Speaker 1: used room. I mean, you know, plexiglass probably doing all

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Speaker 1: right all the time, but now they just exploded over

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Speaker 1: the last Why did you just slip into the metric

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Speaker 1: system there? What was that about? What is this guy?

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Speaker 1: You lived in England and you spend time in hundreds

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Speaker 1: of Yeah, my English days were my best days? You

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Speaker 1: were like three? How do you? Why are you? I'm

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Speaker 1: not I've also not said any of that so again,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's misquotes, it's false narratives. I am hundreds

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Speaker 1: of meters, and plexiglass is something that you could say

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Speaker 1: visually that works. It's a measurement metric. I know, it's

509
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Speaker 1: just unusual, especially we're a football podcast. You could have

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Speaker 1: easily said yards. It was painful though, watching the Olympics

511
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Speaker 1: and and seeing the American announcers try to convert the

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Speaker 1: meters in the shot put and auff like that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much Olympics you watched, but it was

514
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Speaker 1: like it was a painful exercise. It It really made

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Speaker 1: me feel like, let's go America at least like mathematical

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Speaker 1: graphics that would do that instantly. Why are they having

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Speaker 1: to do that sort of fair point. It seemed like

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Speaker 1: they were doing it in their head. They're like sixty four,

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Speaker 1: that's six. Well, you know, come on, we can handle meters,

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Speaker 1: all right. So that's what's happening in the news. And now,

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Speaker 1: as promised, he is the man, the myth, the legend.

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Speaker 1: He is um shaved in the head area. He is

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Speaker 1: very well built physically. He's an Ohio native. So going

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Speaker 1: up Canton, what a ball must have been for the

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Speaker 1: pipe Nick Shook, who rejoins us on the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast to share his adventure in Canton for a

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Speaker 1: big Hall of Fame weekend. What's up, Chokie? You hear

528
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Speaker 1: that made those noises this morning? You're feeling quirk bright

529
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Speaker 1: and that all shook because you know you're on the show.

530
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Speaker 1: You're like, Hey, I'm the big guy. I'm the strong

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Speaker 1: guy on the show. Um step Pain's coming on later.

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Speaker 1: Uh played at six four three oh four when he

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Speaker 1: was in the NFL. There's there's enough room for the guy. Yeah,

534
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: there's enough room for big guys everywhere. It's okay. I'm

535
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Speaker 1: never threatened because when you are a large man, you

536
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Speaker 1: are confident in your in the space that you take up,

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Speaker 1: in the space that you must give others. Listen to

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Speaker 1: that list, I was prepared to answer. I like that shook.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you were boots on the ground there

540
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: saying boots on the ground a lot. I'm just gonna

541
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Speaker 1: moratorium on the boots on the ground refs by the

542
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Speaker 1: old Zuoster and the biggest of all spots on the show.

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Speaker 1: For the rest of the podcast, all right, Shook, you

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Speaker 1: were in attendance in canon, it was a, it was

545
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Speaker 1: a different weekend. Give people like a cliffs notes of

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Speaker 1: why this was different, uh compared to past Hall of

547
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Speaker 1: Fame weekends. Well, typically a Hall of Fame weekend you

548
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Speaker 1: got a maximum of eight and Shinese. But because of

549
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Speaker 1: COVID cancelation last year you had a little twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: This year you had two classes. And you didn't just

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Speaker 1: have two classes because that number mental math, Well why

552
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Speaker 1: why shouldn't that be sixteen? Well, last year they had

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Speaker 1: the biggest class ever, known as the Centennial Class, to

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Speaker 1: mark the NFL's one hund your anniversary, and then they

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Speaker 1: didn't get to celebrate them. They used the Centennial Class

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Speaker 1: to get some uh, some guys who had slip through

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Speaker 1: the craft previous years into the Hall of Fame. Um So,

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Speaker 1: as a result, I believe eight of the members are

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Speaker 1: no longer with us. But that still left twenty to

560
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Speaker 1: be enshrined. So they had to split that up over

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Speaker 1: two days, twelve on Saturday, eight on Sunday, the first

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Speaker 1: time I believe that they've ever had a two day enshrinement.

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Speaker 1: And somebody who has been too many of these growing

564
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Speaker 1: up just up the road from there, um it was

565
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Speaker 1: it was strange to see Chris Berman used the same

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Speaker 1: opening line two nights in a row, and it was

567
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Speaker 1: also strange because like that's usually like the crescendo of

568
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Speaker 1: the weekend, and you were like, we got done with twelve,

569
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: which kind of felt like a marathon, and then you

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Speaker 1: got to Sunday and you're like, wait, we're doing this again,

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Speaker 1: and you were like hanging out. You're hanging out in

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Speaker 1: the little interviews and whatnot. Do your best. Burman his

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Speaker 1: his one of one part of his opening line was

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Speaker 1: after two long years away, all right, I'll say it

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00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: were back back back here in Canton, and he did

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's funny, and like it

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Speaker 1: got a nice cheer. And then he did it Sunday,

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Speaker 1: but like he sped through it like he knew. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe I'm doing this twice. It's the all right,

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Speaker 1: I said it. That makes it sound rehearsed your breath

581
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Speaker 1: waiting for it. It's also a baseball thing, so it's

582
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: a little bit yeah, but it's part of his brand.

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Speaker 1: So I guess I understand. We'll give part of all

584
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Speaker 1: of our childhoods. We're gonna give Burman a class past

585
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Speaker 1: year with me. Leather alright, So I think the headliner

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Speaker 1: of the weekend is Peyton in it, and I think

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Speaker 1: um Manning um really and when it was good to

588
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Speaker 1: read about him this weekend because the way things his

589
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Speaker 1: career ended, even though he want a Super Bowl US

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Speaker 1: last season, he was such a shell of his former self.

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Speaker 1: But then when you go back and kind of remember,

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Speaker 1: especially those cold tears, and how we revolutionary revolutionized the

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Speaker 1: game from the line of scrimmage, and just how great

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Speaker 1: he was for so many years, it was just great

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Speaker 1: to see Peyton any again. And and let's queue it

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Speaker 1: up um with hearing uh some of that again, that

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Speaker 1: Manning humor that Mark loves so much. The two thousand

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Speaker 1: and twenty one induction class wants to thank those previous

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Speaker 1: inductees who gave long winded acceptance speeches, forcing us to

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Speaker 1: have a whopping six minutes to recap our football careers.

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Speaker 1: I want to give us special thanks to my old

602
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Speaker 1: rival Ray Lewis for being here tonight. Ray just finished

603
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Speaker 1: giving his speech that he started in two thousand and eighteen. Bam,

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Speaker 1: And then Tom Brady was in attendance. Nice classy move

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Speaker 1: by Brady. Uh. These two men going back decades as

606
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: great rivals. Also, Brady looking nice started look like George

607
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Speaker 1: Hamilton by the way, as he gets deeper as into

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Speaker 1: his forties. Uh, here is what Peyton had to say

609
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Speaker 1: about Tommy Boy. Next year acceptance, Peaches will probably shrink

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Speaker 1: the four minutes. And speaking of rivals, my good friend

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady is here tonight. By the time he is inducted.

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Speaker 1: By the time Tom Brady is inducted in his first

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Speaker 1: year of eligibility in the year two thousand and thirty five,

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Speaker 1: you only have time to post his acceptance speech on

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Speaker 1: his Instagram account. The choke, Yeah, yeah, he absolutely know

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Speaker 1: the fund My favorite part about that, that sequence of

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Speaker 1: jokes was something we didn't get on air, but they

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Speaker 1: got on the video boards at the stadium. Ray Lewis

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Speaker 1: got out of his seat in reaction to uh, the

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Speaker 1: joke that Peyton made his expense it was started walking

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Speaker 1: menacingly towards that would have been that would have been

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Speaker 1: something that w w He just got up and took

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Speaker 1: his hat off and did the whole waving and everything else.

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Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing. Reminds me of the Chiefs locker

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00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: room and hard Knocks. During the dance off, people just

626
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: running all over the place. Collard's greatest moment we shook.

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you real quick. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know you were there. It's the thing I love El Canton.

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Speaker 1: It is a great weekend. It's a great kind of

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Speaker 1: primer for football in general. It's something very pure about it.

631
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Speaker 1: But the access you can just walk around all over

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Speaker 1: the place. How I think Tom Brady to me is

633
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: getting hotter and hotter. Um, he looked very dangerously summary

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Speaker 1: in that clip. We just saw how close did you

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Speaker 1: get to Tom Brady? That's really the only thing I

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Speaker 1: care about. Um, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of meters away?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, good ref Brady's Brady's presence there um reminded

638
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Speaker 1: me to settle a score here on this podcast. How

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Speaker 1: remember that Peyton Manning Super Bowl when he was playing

640
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in the big conversation was the centerpiece of

641
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: our NFL dot com that day was will this would

642
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: this win cement Manning as the greatest quarterback of all time?

643
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: And it's a reminder, you know, for you Lebron people,

644
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: it's like, we don't need to decide these legacy things

645
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: mid career. Why do you need to settle scores like this.

646
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: I just think because they're only one year apart, became

647
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: of them as like different general rations. Now it's like,

648
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Speaker 1: wait till the end of the careers and then we

649
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Speaker 1: can have those discussions. That's certainly fair, Greg, that's certainly fair.

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Speaker 1: But I think what gets forgotten because Brady is just

651
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: what he's done no one's ever done before. A few money,

652
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: right again, what what Brady's that has never been done before?

653
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Speaker 1: And all due respect to him, and I think he

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Speaker 1: is the greatest with these last five years. But what

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Speaker 1: Manning did, how he changed the position, and essentially what

656
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: he did in the late nineties and early two thousand's

657
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: is the template for how all quarterbacks are now. Aaron

658
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Rodgers is another example. Like, I think there's something to

659
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: be said for that. Yes, the longevity isn't the same

660
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: as Brady. Brady has more Super Bowl wins, But who

661
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: was the more kind of important quarterback to the evolution

662
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Speaker 1: of the position. I think that's still certainly something you

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Speaker 1: could say, Peyton Manning fair unfair? Mhmm. I think I

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Speaker 1: go Brady in every category that exists ever, but there

665
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: isn't like that you're saying how hot he is that.

666
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean, no one would have even thought Brady was

667
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: in the same league of of Peyton Manning until like

668
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: two thousands six even, And that's when you can even

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Speaker 1: start talking about them against each other. And you're right,

670
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Dan like the just the like the mastery of it

671
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: in a way, though I don't know if Manning is

672
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: a symbol of like changing the position. If anything, I

673
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: feel like he's the last of his kind, like he

674
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: was the court. Belichick said it on that Top one

675
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: hundred show. He playing Manning was like playing the coach

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00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: to the coordinator in the quarterback and one he's calling

677
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: all his own plays. He it is his offense. You

678
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: saw that when you go to Denver. They basically just

679
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: made you know he was the coach. Like I don't

680
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: know if there is a quarterback now, I don't think

681
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: there is that has that much control. And that goes

682
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: back to like Johnny Unitis. I mean, I don't I

683
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: don't even think Tom Brady ever was at the same

684
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: exact level of running an offense the whole time as

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Speaker 1: Manning was. I vastly disagreed, but I just think in

686
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Speaker 1: terms of the way the coaches were and in more

687
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: in terms of the play calling on the field like

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00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: that was some old school Peyton Manning stuff. Yeah, you know,

689
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Speaker 1: we spent some time in this past season marveling and

690
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: and we've done this before with Russell Wilson a few times.

691
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Speaker 1: I think he might have been two years ago when

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: his helmet, the radio shut off and he just led

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00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: this drive. He was calling all the place down the field,

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Speaker 1: and that was like a big deal that we made

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00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: a big point that that was Peyton Manning on every

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Speaker 1: possession of every game he played in for more than

697
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: a decade. Yeah, he also raised the bar. Manning His

698
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: dedication to his craft was and Brady gets all the

699
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: love in this category and he deserves it as well.

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Speaker 1: But Manning's dedication uh to what he stayed in Indianapolis

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00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: in the offseason. That's all he did. All he did

702
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: was trying to get better, work hard, be the coach,

703
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: like Greg said, be the best player on the field,

704
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: be totally responsible. As West used to say all the time.

705
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: He created that skyline in Indianapolis. He was so important

706
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: to that organization. So I don't know, I just think

707
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: because Brady's Brady star is so bright, I think it's

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00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: taken away on some level what Manning represented and what

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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: he is in the league throughout the late nineties, throughout

710
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: the two thousand's into the two thousand tens. Everybody kind

711
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: of forgets because they got destroyed by the Seahawks and

712
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl and that was an historic Seattle team.

713
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: But how awesome man he was when he went to

714
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: the Denver and had the fifty touchdown passes. Fifty five

715
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, that's incredible. On jeviy, the fact that the

716
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: wheels fell off at the end is kind of a bummer. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's just the way the

718
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: Manning brothers are built because Eli similar thing happened. UM.

719
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: I wonder if anything could have changed, or he did

720
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: have the next surgery, had some serious injuries. Um, if

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00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: there's any way, Uh, if fates were different, maybe him

722
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: and Brady are are are lockstep in their forties. But

723
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Speaker 1: it didn't work out that way. What else shook in

724
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: terms of the weekend stood out to you. I know

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00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: it's a big weekend for the Cowboys too. Yeah, for sure.

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00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean to that last point, I just just to

727
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of close that that topic, you know, when when

728
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: writing about that on Sunday, and in the lead up

729
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: to this too, I kind of always wanted to make

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00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: a point that there was a time, as we just

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Speaker 1: discussed that there was a debate between where you a

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: Painton Manning guy? Are you? Were you with Tom Brady guy?

733
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: It was those two at the top of the league.

734
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: And that was it. There was no other argument otherwise.

735
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: And and and I think that their legacies can coexist

736
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: in the fact that they were different for the reasons

737
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: that we just discussed their strengths and weaknesses and and

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00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: what made their their legacies stronger in one area. And

739
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: and and you know Peyton and all the stats and

740
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: everything else. Tom Brady with the rings, we can go

741
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: on and on. So he's got a strong top five

742
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: or top four, whatever number you want to put it.

743
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: On an argument Peyton Manning, Yeah, absolutely, I think so. Yeah,

744
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: and his contributions of the game should not be overlooked.

745
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: And I thought that it was. It was I was surprised. Um.

746
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: You know, I talked to the president of the Hall

747
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: of Fame in the lead up to this about two

748
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: weeks prior to Yeah, David Baker, Yeah, David Baker, and

749
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: he told me that, you know, we were talking about

750
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the short and speeches, and they had a time limit.

751
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: He goes Peyton has already sent his and told me

752
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: beforehand that he was writing for six minutes. And when

753
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: he got up there, he was he was very um.

754
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: He had like a pace to it was well paced,

755
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: like he was really trying to get everything in there,

756
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: and it almost as if he was a little nervous,

757
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: which I was a little surprised and being kind of

758
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: uh endearing considering the guy that he is speaking in

759
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: front of seventeen thousand people there. That's a little bit

760
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: when you're playing and you're in the moment, it's a

761
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: little different on a podium in such a big moment

762
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: his life. So anyway, what else from the weekend shoking? So,

763
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: my favorite experience the whole weekend was the gold Jacket Dinner,

764
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: which is on traditionally on Friday Night's. Typically in past

765
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: years it would be um, you know, kind of the

766
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: dignitaries of Canton and some fans would be able to

767
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: buy tables and they would have meals and kind of

768
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: be among the company of families of of of gold

769
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: jacket you know receiver in Shrinese, those those people in

770
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: the returning gold jackets but because of COVID, it just

771
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: became kind of an event that they just sat down

772
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: in the rows of seats. But the lead up to

773
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: it in this adjacent area called the McKinley Room, where

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00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: they basically had a cocktail hour that was about two

775
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: two and a half hours, and it was just all

776
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: these Hall of famers one after another and their families

777
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: and friends. I mean, you want to talk about who's who,

778
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: and seeing football legends of you know, the past fifty

779
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: plus years all meeting and talking. It was just a

780
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: great experience to witness. I've seen it before because I

781
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: volunteered doing this growing up, but it's a it was

782
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: a very exclusive event and to just kind of be

783
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: on the fly on the wall and and hanging out,

784
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: hang out in the back and and just you know,

785
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: see these guys interacting and and you know, I watched

786
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis getting an argument with Booker McFarlane and Derrick

787
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Brooks is nearby eating shrimp and just laughing in between

788
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: every bite of shrimp as they're like passionately arguing about

789
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: something over at buffet table, and then a few steps

790
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: over there's Tony Dungee talking to Berman Uh. And then

791
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, you look over here and it's Frank o'harris

792
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: talking to Alan fannaka Jackie Slater in Orlando, paced two rams,

793
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: great tackles, hanging out, meeting up with Isaac Bruce. You

794
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: could go on and on, but my favorite moments from those,

795
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: like one of my favorites was, you know, Peyton Manning

796
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: has a son and a daughter. His son's name is Marshall,

797
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: and he was dressed to the nines, but he was

798
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: also very focused on making the most of his first

799
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: trip to Canton. He had a football, you know, one

800
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: of those white Hall of Fame footballs that are made

801
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: to be signed, and he covered that thing with as

802
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: many signatures from Hall of famers as he could get,

803
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: doing laps for almost the entirety of the event leading

804
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: up to the actual gold jacket uh ceremony, and it

805
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: was just it was great to watch this kid. You know,

806
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: you can obviously see that he looks like his dad,

807
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: and you just walk around his little suit getting sit

808
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: one signature after another and after another, and uh, it

809
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: was just quite a scene. It was quite a scene.

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00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: You were a are you kidding me? You don't have

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Speaker 1: a gold jacket. I don't have a gold jacket. I'm

812
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: not worthy of a of an autograph in that situation,

813
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: nor in any other situation. But you did a great

814
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: job writing that up. By the way, neck, I think

815
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: anyone should should give that a read. I do think

816
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: it would be interesting, um to get some sort of

817
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: a clothing type person to provide someone like me. It

818
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 1: was like five ft eight with a Hall of Fame

819
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: and a totally fitted Hall of Fame jacket and walk

820
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: around Canton like you totally own the place, and people like,

821
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: is that a kicker? Did he? How did this person

822
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: get into this hall? Like just absolutely act like you

823
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: are part of the Everybody will think you're a guy

824
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: like that gonna be my choice. Yeah, you would fit

825
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: in some of the older guys. You know, gravity has

826
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: its effect shrink of her time, not saying that you

827
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: look old, but hype wise, statue wise, you probably I mean,

828
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean Drew Pearson rather played at one eighty, so

829
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: I I can imagine he's not at that now, like

830
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: he he just finally made the Hall of Fame, the

831
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: great Um Cowboys receiver who started that number eighty eight tradition?

832
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: Who's who's a big character? And like if he was

833
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: one eight in his career. Yeah, he probably, he's probably

834
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: not too much bigger than than Mark Sessler right now.

835
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Speaker 1: He pointed out during a speech he goes different pigment,

836
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, of course, and and he's got less hair

837
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: than Mark does. Uh so that's where he and I

838
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: was doing something else that's a little different pigment. Is

839
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Speaker 1: that what? Um? All right, Chookie, You've said it all

840
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: unless you have something else to add. I mean, the

841
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game was kind of a snoozer, but

842
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: preseason football tends to be like that. But what was like,

843
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: um or anything after the game and stud terms of

844
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: talking to players and coaches, just being a media again

845
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: at like NFL game Tames and that was great. I

846
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: mean it was. There was no specific highlight other than

847
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: the fact that it was just great to be in

848
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: a stadium again, um, largely full stadium, a crowd that

849
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: you could tell was very excited to just cheer for

850
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: something together. That was awesome. And yeah, like you said,

851
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: Mark Michael Parsons is awesome. Like the Steeler and not

852
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: to see there's the Cowboys nailed that. I think if

853
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: he stays healthy, I'm really excited to see him on

854
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: the field. In the regular season action. He wasn't on

855
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: the field very much, but you couldn't you could not ignore,

856
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: and he caught your eye on almost every play. Some

857
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: of these opt out dudes from college, I'm keeping someone's

858
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to write like the analysis of this. But

859
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: the guys that skipped playing last year, if they I'm

860
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: just curious how they're going to do. Because there's a

861
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: couple Joe try and with the Bucks being another one

862
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: who come out like like a house on fire. And

863
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: if if players start coming into the NFL as good

864
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: or better than they would have been if they had

865
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: played college football in the first place, like a lot

866
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: more people are just going to be skipping. I just

867
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: I just read about the top prospects. He's get this

868
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: final year of high school to go to before we know,

869
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: people just like just gonna skip. Everything's gonna go from

870
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: like seventh grade straight to the NFL. And bick, this

871
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: is the path he's going to Ohio State because he's

872
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: set to make up to a million dollars in n

873
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: I L money as soon as he gets there and

874
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: he might not even play yet. Unbelievable. Shookie, Um, thank

875
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: you buddy, Great to see you. And UH, if you

876
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: would be so kind, We're gonna need your help again

877
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: come regular season time with Sunday Night recaps in the

878
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: regular season. If you if you can help us out

879
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: with that, we will be very, very happy. That's not

880
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: even a question. You already know. I'll be here cool,

881
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: I mean, and you get all the Browns games. Mark

882
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: has surprisingly volunteered to just cover the Bengals almost now

883
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to be staging to hold and to have

884
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: my salary doubled. That's, you know, keep doing the work,

885
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of antagonism. We'll give you an escalator

886
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: for every Bengals game you do over the Browns, not

887
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: including Brown's Bengals twice a year. Negatory. There he goes

888
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: the pipe. They call him um More Hall of Fame note,

889
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: by the way, before we bring on Seth Paine and

890
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: special congratulations to Bob Lauber, friend of the show, all time,

891
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: good guy, Rockland County guy. Um And he's worked for

892
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Newsday in the New York market, UH for decades. And

893
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: he received the two thousand twenty one Bill Nunn Junr Award,

894
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: which is given to reporters who put in the work

895
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: for years and years and years and it's a great

896
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: recognition of a great guy. So Bob Blauber, congratulations on that.

897
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: That is quite a career achievement. Yeah. Well, the first

898
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: time I ever met Bob here, you're here, Gregor's here, right.

899
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: He's just a total gentleman, you know, actually because he

900
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: is the Pro Football Writers Association lead right now, he

901
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: actually called me up a cut all right, so he

902
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: was He called me up to have an earnest, honest

903
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: conversation about why I could not be allowed into that,

904
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: and I was like, this guy is an absolutely great guy.

905
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: But the first time I ever met him was at

906
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: this other event. He came up and talked about our

907
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: show long time ago when it was the four of

908
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Us with West, and he said, I want you to

909
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: know something like I've been covering football for a really

910
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: long time. What you have right now, the four of

911
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: you is very special and it won't last forever, and

912
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: it always stuck with me. But he also was dead

913
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: on right. He just has good perspective. He's a good

914
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: person and he's a great football reporter. Congrats Bob, love

915
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: you buddy all right now. As promised, God, we love

916
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: this dude too. Another another friend of the court. He

917
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: is the co host of the morning show on Sports

918
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: Radio six ten in Houston. He spent ten years in

919
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: our league. It's really his league with the Texans and Jaguars.

920
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: Cornell Guy. Ever heard of it? It is the great,

921
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: the legend Seth Paine, Welcome back to the Around the

922
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: NFL VODA. One of the song is UM Live, one

923
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: of the great bands ever. Of course, Pain lies by

924
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: the river Side. I think it works a lot. It's

925
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: got your name in it, but also there's right now,

926
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pain in Houston around the Texans.

927
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: UM and like the seminal at rock band, UM your

928
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: legendary as well. So that's your new intro if you're

929
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: cool with them. Yeah, no, that's great. I think they're

930
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: out of York p A two, which is at least

931
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: within six hours where I'm from. Originally, I mean, like

932
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: Live you peaked, you know, fifteen years ago, my physical

933
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: bad peak, my celebrity peak, all of that. It was all.

934
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 1: I mean, they should have figured out that the Internet grows.

935
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: If you're attempting to search for Live anywhere on the Internet,

936
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: it brings up everything. But the band, I mean, just

937
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: a terrible express on part there. They were by far

938
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: the dumbest s e O band of the midnighters. Just well,

939
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: no they weren't. That was bear naked ladies. True. Alright, seven,

940
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: enough of that? Do you see? You're the man you

941
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: are dealing with? What are you dealing with? I know

942
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys, you got that you stick at

943
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: the Astros down there and you got your heads in

944
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: the sand about what their reality. But that's good. They're

945
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: playing great baseball and good stuff on that. But the Texans,

946
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: what's it like around the Texans? Right? It is? You know,

947
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: when I first got into sports radio, I used to

948
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: look up synonyms for dumb or stupid, because that's a

949
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: word you use a lot or overuse, you know, like

950
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: at this Incoln poop, Look at this moron, look at

951
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: this dullard. Now I've I've realized, I've got I've got

952
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: to start looking up synonyms for weird because I found

953
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: myself saying weird over and over again. This is let

954
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: me say, at this stage, uh, for like just today

955
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: today was the day of training camp. Um, we're out

956
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: there discussing. Let's see, how's how's Tyrod Taylor gonna look?

957
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, if he starts sixteen games this year. Well,

958
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Davis Mills potentially start sometime in the first half of

959
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: the season. Jeff Driscoll is your number three quarterback. I

960
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: don't know. Meanwhile, meanwhile, mind you, Deshawnson is standing right

961
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: there on the practice field. We're we're having these conversations

962
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: about Tyrod Taylor and Davis Mills in in Deshaun Latston

963
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: standing right there. It's it's really weird. It's strange, it's um.

964
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: And yet at the same time, I would say that

965
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: it hasn't been outwardly as much of a distraction as

966
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: I would have thought it was. It doesn't. It doesn't.

967
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: You know, you can't read dysfunction or mayhem or anything

968
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: at least on the faces of the players who are

969
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: all just trying to make the team. Yeah, and let

970
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: me set it up as I should have before we started.

971
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: Watson um he practiced on Monday. He can't. He reported

972
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: to camp July and then he we know, he requested

973
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: the trade, all the legal issues. He practiced for the

974
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: first five days. He's practicing as a safety or running back,

975
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: some some idiocy, and then he disappeared for five days

976
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: and now he's back again. Yeah, and let me ask

977
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: you this. The Venerable John McClean, uh down there, um

978
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: tweeted very matter of fact ly today, Deshaun Watson will

979
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: never play another snap for the Texans. Do you believe

980
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: that as well? Um? I personally I would believe anything

981
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: anybody tells me about what will happen three months in

982
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: the future with this team. But right now if I

983
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: had a handicap, but I don't think Deshaun Watson's gonna

984
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: play for the Texans. I think they'd like to trade him.

985
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: I think the biggest obstacle, by far is that you

986
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: have this extremely murky legal situation that's not any less

987
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: murky now than it was three months ago, where Deshaun

988
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: Watson's being accused of sexual assault in the civil courts

989
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: by twenty two women. There are ten women who have

990
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: filed criminal complaints against him for sexual assault during massage

991
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: therapy sessions. Two of those women aren't part of the lawsuits.

992
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: You have eighteen other women that have vouched for Deshaun

993
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: Watson who are who provided him massage therapy at some point.

994
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: All in all, there's about forty five women that we

995
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: know of that he's pursued massage. There be from in

996
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: the past year or so. Uh. They his attorney is

997
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: at least admitted to consensual sexual activity within some of

998
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: these massages, which would sound a whole lot like prostitution.

999
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: And guys, I'm gonna tell you, Greg, I think I

1000
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: heard you a couple of weeks ago talk about how

1001
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: largely it seems like people have stayed hands off with

1002
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: this because it's such a it's so complicated, and there's

1003
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: just almost no way to talk about it without like

1004
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: spending twenty minutes explaining all the vagaries of it. So

1005
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: I'll stop right there trying to explain the details. There's

1006
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: no there doesn't look like there's any end insight. Deshaun

1007
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: Watson it does not want to settle. According to all reports.

1008
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: If he did settle, it would, according to his attorney,

1009
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: only be if there was no nondisclosure. So like usually

1010
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: somebody settles and that's it. They don't want any of

1011
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: the plaintiffs to talk about it. DeShawn is actually saying, no,

1012
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. I want to be

1013
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: able to tell my side of the story. And it

1014
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: looks like there might not be any clarity on the

1015
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: legal side things until next January February, when Deshaun Watson

1016
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: would first be interviewed by UM, by the by the attorneys.

1017
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: So I I think that this is gonna be a

1018
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: murky situation. The commissioner is exemplest is probably gonna happen

1019
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: at some point and nobody trades for him until next spring.

1020
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: That's my personal read on it right now, right and

1021
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: that that makes all the sense in the world everything

1022
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: you just said, except for like what's going on this week,

1023
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: Like someone make a decision. Someone make a decision, whether

1024
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: it's the Texans or the NFL. Ultimately, I understand why

1025
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: Watson just where he is right now is showing up

1026
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: to work, so you you need to take it out

1027
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: of his hands. Because you said it's like murk you know,

1028
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: as murky as it was three months ago. It's murkier

1029
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: because the criminal investigation is going on, and that that

1030
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: wasn't the case initially, and that that's that brings a

1031
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, potential jail time. It's everything, and yeah, everyone's

1032
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: saying like they're managing it great, like that's fine. The

1033
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: the guy who us turned your whole franchise over to

1034
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: is there in the building. It's it's gotta be on

1035
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: everyone's mind. It's gotta be weird to use uh, to

1036
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: use your word, and like David Culley, like, I know

1037
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna say, well, he's getting paid great money to

1038
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: do this, Like he's he's not getting paid enough to

1039
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: just like look like a ham and egger up there

1040
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: trying to answer these questions that are impossible to answer

1041
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: every day. They the Texans organization are putting him in

1042
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: a terrible uh spot by like rolling him out there,

1043
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: and I just I don't understand like where and like

1044
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: if this is going to end before the season, like

1045
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: do it now? And if it's not, like I don't know,

1046
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: you've got to do something, NFL, do something Texans. I

1047
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I think so I'll tell you my theory.

1048
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: And I've received some positive feedback on this theory. But

1049
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: I think at least part of the Texans strategy right

1050
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: now is, Hey, everybody, who's gonna wait and see if

1051
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson showed up or not. You know, once all

1052
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: these allegations came out, DeShawn had Deshaun had threatened to

1053
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: why DeShawn had asked for the trade back in January,

1054
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: That was before all the allegations came out, but the

1055
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: question would be, Okay, what happens if DeShawn shows up?

1056
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: And I think there there are likely at least a

1057
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: couple of things going on with the Texans. One is

1058
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: that they perhaps just wanted to make it as uncomfortable

1059
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: as possible for Deshaun Watson so that he would either

1060
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: consider waving his no trade clause if that were a factor,

1061
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: or or be that he might decide, all right, this

1062
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: isn't worth it, I'm leaving. Then the Texans could start

1063
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: finding him, perhaps getting him a conduct detrimental avoiding some

1064
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: of the guarantees. There's that, and then there's also the

1065
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: possibility that the general manager, Nickissario just flat out doesn't

1066
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: want to let this precedent of a just dis gruntled

1067
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: player being able to just say, well, my ankle hurts

1068
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna stay over in the training room, and

1069
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: and that's where we are. I'm with you, Greg, and

1070
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: the Texans have not earned any They've they've not earned

1071
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt with anything they've done over

1072
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: the last two years, except now that they're in this situation.

1073
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: I don't I really don't know what the what the

1074
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: correct avenue out of it is, you know, do you

1075
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: wait until next spring when you can maybe get three

1076
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: or four first round picks? Do you do you just

1077
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: try to dump them off right now? And honesty? How

1078
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: about occasionally answering questions honestly because he's he's lining up

1079
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: as their fourth string quarterback, so it's you know, how

1080
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: about do something with like integrity and just tell tell

1081
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: the public, which you don't think you owe anything to

1082
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: except you're asking for season tickets to be bought. Um,

1083
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: how about being transparent with them? Well, that's a lot

1084
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: to ask in the NFL. That's uh, that's that That

1085
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: might be a that's a tall glass of water to

1086
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: ask somebody to suck down and look, this is Look,

1087
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: this is the team that when they hired Nick Kissario

1088
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: from New England, they sat at the press conference and said, hey,

1089
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: we don't want to be called New England South anymore.

1090
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: Like you're just you're introducing a guy that you just

1091
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: hired from New England. This is this is what you're

1092
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: trying to do. You're trying to be in New England South.

1093
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: So that part, that part has been super awkward because

1094
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: David Culley, who I'm still convinced that probably of NFL

1095
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: fans When I say David Culley, don't know who the

1096
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: hell I'm talking about. He's the head coach, um hasn't

1097
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: been a coordinator in the NFL. Hell of a nice guy,

1098
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: almost almost too nice, I think, because he's the one

1099
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: that is left to answer questions every week, and I

1100
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: think they've given him his marching orders about what he

1101
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: should and shouldn't say, and he has a really, really

1102
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: hard time with it, And I like, I'd like to

1103
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: say he inherited this situation, but he accepted the job

1104
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: when he knew that Deshaun was was asking for a trade.

1105
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's an absolute mess. Do you think

1106
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: that the theory I have here Seth is with with

1107
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Cully and I hope it's not true. But he's an

1108
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: older guy. He gets a chance to be a head coach,

1109
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: so of course you're gonna take the job. But then

1110
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if behind the scenes, the Texans aren't looking

1111
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: for their future at head coach. They're just looking someone

1112
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: for someone to manage this absolute catastrop before the organization,

1113
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: a good guy to take the bullets, and then when

1114
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: it comes time to move forward with whatever comes up next,

1115
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: with this organization, Cully will be shown the door as well,

1116
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: and I guess he'll be paid well for it. But

1117
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: I just wonder in terms of the integrity of the

1118
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: hiring process, if Cully is ever going to get a chance,

1119
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: uh to really lead this organization onward out of this

1120
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: proteculent mess. If I think you're exactly on the right

1121
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: track there, Dan. And that's what's scary, because there's one

1122
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: thing you know about the NFL. You really can't have

1123
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: a master plan. There is no hey, this is how

1124
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: things are gonna work out over the next three, four

1125
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: or five years because things change every single year. You

1126
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: have different different issues pop up. And and I know, look,

1127
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: one player told me that that Jack Easter be the

1128
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: director of team development or wherever the hell he is

1129
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: right now during the season told him that this might

1130
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: not be a one coach fixed, that there would be

1131
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: the second coach that gets you out of here. So

1132
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: I think that that's very much that's very much in

1133
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: play for for what they're thinking. So don't don't worry.

1134
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: There's a plan. That's the uh. You know, like is

1135
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: a is a drunken bridge builder tells you is his

1136
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: pants are falling down around his ankles. Don't worry. We've

1137
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: got a plan. You'll be fine. You'll get through this storm.

1138
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: You know. You also worry about someone like Nickissario, who

1139
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: I think you know is very potentially talented general manager,

1140
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: tiring out and going back to New England like some

1141
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: people do if this thing gets ugly enough. But you

1142
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: are down there, you're dealing with you. I think about

1143
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: the fans too. You've got all these people that have

1144
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: been Texas fans since two thousand two, and there seems

1145
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: to be this massive disconnect, more so than any team

1146
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: in the league, and more so than any franchise I

1147
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: can think of right now where you know, the owner,

1148
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: this Jack Easterby guy and the rest of them. They're

1149
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: all talking left and right, and they're trying to act

1150
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: like there's all this integrity around what they're doing, and

1151
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: the fans have been completely you know, tossed out the

1152
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: side of a moving car by the side of the road.

1153
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we're dealing with these guys calling in all

1154
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: the time. What is that? Are there are there fans

1155
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: out there that are saying, we just want to see

1156
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: de Shaun Watson no matter what happened or most people

1157
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: thinking like this is a train wreck. They gotta find

1158
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: their way out of the thing. What's the mental state

1159
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: of this badgered fan base. I don't think there's a

1160
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: consensus necessarily right now. And one of the one of

1161
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: the weird moments out at camp this year was Deshaun

1162
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: was out there the first few days, Okay, that was strange.

1163
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: Then the first day that fans were allowed in the

1164
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: textans allow about two thousand fans and they've got a

1165
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: nice covered area and at one point during practice, a

1166
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: we want to Shaun cheer started started coming up. We

1167
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: want to Shaan, we want to Shawn. And I think

1168
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: it was the next day that Deshaun stopped coming out

1169
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: to practice before, so that that little hiatus there they had.

1170
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that was team motivated. I

1171
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: don't know if that was Deshaun motivated. Whatever it might

1172
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: be there, there's some people and I guess you know

1173
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: that Mark is the other dynamic here. That's interesting as

1174
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: you you ask, okay, which which GM is gonna trade

1175
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson, because there's a pr component there. You're

1176
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: you've got this guy that's accused by of sexual assault

1177
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: by many many women. Is because of the complexity of

1178
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: this thing, and because of the nature of it, if

1179
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: Deshaun were to settle, if Deshan were to settle in Houston,

1180
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: and if somehow the criminal charges you know, weren't filed

1181
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: and you never face charges, I think because it is

1182
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: so complex, you know how it is with the public,

1183
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: If it's kind of if it's if you want the

1184
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: public to know a really really complex news story, it's

1185
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: not gonna happen because people want to hear give it

1186
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: to me in three sentences and let me know how

1187
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: to feel about it. And this, this case isn't quite

1188
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: like that. It's all these individual cases with different accounts

1189
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: from different women. Um, some of the cases are likely

1190
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: much much stronger than some of the other cases. And

1191
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: I think that if he gets if he were to

1192
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: settle and go to another town, I think that would

1193
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 1: be it would probably be easier to smooth over than

1194
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: than it would be locally or with some other fan bases,

1195
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: or with some other other types of transgressions, you know.

1196
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: I think that's too But it also makes me believe

1197
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: the actors trying to trade Watson, now, whether that's Watson's

1198
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: camp or the Texans, are comically full of themselves that

1199
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: they think another team would go for him now with

1200
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: the criminal investigation up in the air. I just I

1201
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: just think it's so tone deaf, and I don't think

1202
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: it's working. I think I think you've seen like these

1203
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: little rumors pop up that are quickly squashed down. No one,

1204
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: no one's trading for a guy who could be going

1205
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: to jail for sexual assault. Like sorry, like whoever is

1206
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: like endeavoring to want to do that? Like that's not

1207
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna happen for you. And that's where Yeah, and that's

1208
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: where it gets really confusing, because we don't know. Okay,

1209
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: every attorney is gonna say, well, look, my client's not settling,

1210
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: we don't want to settle, but is it perhaps closer

1211
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: to him settling, And in which case, a lot of

1212
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,959
Speaker 1: times if the women are part of the women there's

1213
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: only two women that have filed criminal complaints, but that

1214
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: aren't also part of the lawsuit so far that we

1215
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: know of, So would the vast majority of those go away,

1216
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: the criminal complaints go away if you were to settle.

1217
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: That's one of the big X factors. But you're right, Greg,

1218
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: I think in terms of asking for transparency from the team,

1219
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: if they if they wanted to be completely transparent, I

1220
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: think they'd have to say, look, there's no end in

1221
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: sight for this legal matter. We're probably not going to

1222
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: get the right price or the fair price for DeShawn

1223
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: until we know exactly what's going on there. So we're

1224
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: just gonna put them on hiatus. And they might just

1225
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: be waiting for the league to put Deshaun on the

1226
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: commission as exemple lists to be able to do that.

1227
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: I agree from a pr standpoint. You know, frankly, I don't.

1228
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't think there as a depth

1229
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think they have the pull in the

1230
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: sway with the League office that maybe some other ownership

1231
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: groups would. Um, you've said it all, but before you leave,

1232
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: I'd love you to get in a plug. You have

1233
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: a podcast as well, The Deceptively Fast It's the Deceptively

1234
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: Fast Pot. I got a feeling that you might have

1235
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: been all that at some point during your career. That

1236
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: was a grinder. I wasn't you know that much of

1237
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: an athlete, But I was just a football player, damnit.

1238
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: Remember Gary Mueller. One time I had a really great play,

1239
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: and um, I had a really great play. It was

1240
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: actually like maybe one of the more impressively athletic plays

1241
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: of my career. And Gary Mueller was was watching the play,

1242
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: trying to compliment me, but insulting me the entire time.

1243
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: But you've got here is a guy did I'll tell

1244
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: you he's not the fastest guy. He's not that strong,

1245
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: ugly at birth mother didn't love it, but look at him.

1246
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: That's just a football player. That's a one fail. You

1247
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: had the double playmark in set. You're you're a big

1248
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: white guy. Yeah, and you were Ivy League educated, so

1249
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: you had that like what Ryan Fitzpatrick gets as well,

1250
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: where it's like, well he he obviously he's smart, diligent,

1251
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: he works hard. You have two things working simultaneously well.

1252
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: And just like Ryan Fitzpatrick to try to counteract that,

1253
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: I did some really stupid things on the football field.

1254
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean I jumped offside three times in one half

1255
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: before as a nose tackle. I mean that if there's

1256
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: other if I can't fight, if I can't fight the

1257
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: perception that way, I don't know what I can do. Alright,

1258
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: that's h he said it all. Let's hit says theme

1259
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: music as as we sign them off and again fom at,

1260
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: says Shirtless a lot if I remember, didn't, Yeah, all

1261
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: the time. I hope to have you, um, you know,

1262
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: talk about Nico Collins and the wide receiver battle or

1263
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: something else to do with the Texans at point. He's

1264
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: one of those opt out guys that you said might

1265
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: might show up really excel with a better quarterback. He

1266
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: might be really excited to watch Nico. I like pain

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Speaker 1: to be agitated that I do this. I think that

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Speaker 1: you you've you've hit a home run with us, because

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Speaker 1: you're sort of always bent out of shape and a

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Speaker 1: little agitated with that franchise, which I need to take

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Speaker 1: the bait with that astro's dig either, so that I

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Speaker 1: mean just the class acts and then I'm immune to that.

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Speaker 1: I'm immune to as Oh no, oh, did somebody sneak

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Speaker 1: an inflatable trash can into the stadium and they threw

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Speaker 1: it into the right field? Oh you you clever, clever folks,

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Speaker 1: tell you. Let me tell you another thing. These kids,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this or not.

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Speaker 1: This this this pavilion full of twelve year old chanting

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Speaker 1: bleep l tub a bleep l tub is there is

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Speaker 1: there drooling and salivating and OsO proud fathers stood around

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Speaker 1: filming it on their cell phones. I just go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. The one, the one guy that refused to participate, well,

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Speaker 1: one of several that refused to participate in the cheating scandal.

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Speaker 1: A five ft six kid out of Venezuela, who who

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Speaker 1: whose parents made about one one hundreds of what your

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Speaker 1: your rich and fancy parents made. I can't wait. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait until you're arrested trying to buy meth your

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Speaker 1: sophomore year at Brown or something. You know that I

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Speaker 1: got to that he was wired for sound in the

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Speaker 1: alcs An eighteen. And you know, I'm about about all

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Speaker 1: right there you go? Thanks? Wow, Okay, he painted a

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Speaker 1: picture there, the meth sophomore at Brown, and I'll buy it.

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Speaker 1: Uh Um, all right, wow? I mean you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about to the great contributors to the program, Seth

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Speaker 1: Payn and Nick Choke. Thank you to both of them

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Speaker 1: for joining us today. We'll be back on Wednesday. A

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Speaker 1: little bit of a different schedule this week with some

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Speaker 1: things moving around, and also with the preseason kicking off

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Speaker 1: for all thirty two teams on Thursday, so our next

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Speaker 1: podcast will be on Wednesday. Our NFL Network program will

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Speaker 1: be on what is it air on Friday morning or Thursday?

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Speaker 1: I believe Friday morning taping Thursday, but that's of no

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Speaker 1: import to anyone, but it's it will be on television,

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Speaker 1: I believe Friday, although I could be wrong. Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: get back to you with info on that. We're going

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Speaker 1: to clarify that on Wednesday's program, But thank you to

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Speaker 1: everybody for listening. Until then, he'd the call S S

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