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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keane. Along

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Speaker 1: with Jonathan Ferrell and Lisa Brownwitz. Daily we bring you

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Speaker 1: a treat, and it's a particular treat for me after

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Speaker 1: this pandemic to have parachuting into our Bloomberg building. The

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Speaker 1: World Bank president at David mel Pass I first learned

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Speaker 1: of him at bear Stearns a few years ago. I

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Speaker 1: have said many times in speeches the single best English

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Speaker 1: skills crafted at Colorado College that I know. In Kaylee lines,

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Speaker 1: are are thrilled to welcome the President of the World

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Speaker 1: Bank this morning. We have so much to talk about,

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Speaker 1: not enough time, but I need to address right away

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Speaker 1: the delicacy of you, as President World Bank managing not

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Speaker 1: a scandal but an uproar with the Managing Director of

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Speaker 1: the International Monetary Fund when she was at the World Bank.

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Speaker 1: You've made some very important public comments on that. Summarize

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Speaker 1: that right now of how you stand in the study

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Speaker 1: of these allegations against Dr George. I think there are

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Speaker 1: bigger stories for us. This morning puts on a lot

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Speaker 1: of reports and so in there were staff raised questions

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Speaker 1: about the integrity of data dating back to eighteen and

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Speaker 1: so there was an outside firm brought in and a

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Speaker 1: law firm to look at it. The Board of Directors

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Speaker 1: got into it, issued the report last week, so it

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Speaker 1: shows the irregularities and goes through that the report speaks

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Speaker 1: for itself. You speaks for the report. You think the

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Speaker 1: report stands on its own, And yes, and we've discontinued report.

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Speaker 1: But the World Bank is going to be very, very

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Speaker 1: involved in the business climate of developing countries. That's critical

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Speaker 1: for them in establishing jobs and getting growth, in in

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Speaker 1: attracting new investment, and that's the purpose of the report.

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Speaker 1: The purpose of the World Bank UH is to help

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Speaker 1: countries and the people in the countries move ahead. So

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Speaker 1: we're still going to be doing that. You're gonna still

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Speaker 1: be doing that, and you have this report come out

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Speaker 1: as well, and we don't need to get into the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty of who did this or what is further

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Speaker 1: action needed by you on this uproar? Are you saying

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Speaker 1: enough let's move on the reports discontinued and will be

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Speaker 1: forming and looking for new ways to have an impact

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Speaker 1: in those areas, which I think is the most important thing. Now.

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Speaker 1: Time is too valuable. Right now, it's seven dollars a

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Speaker 1: dose to get a vaccine. Why can't we vaccinate Africa? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is on everyone's mind, and it's frustrating the access

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Speaker 1: two point four billion excess doses in the advanced economies.

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Speaker 1: So the goal would be to have those early doses,

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Speaker 1: the early deliveries go to developing countries where that can

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Speaker 1: use those particular doses. You know, it's a hard logistics

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Speaker 1: and they're not applied to people, and that I think

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Speaker 1: urging the advanced economies to allow swapping of doses. So

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Speaker 1: You've got excess two point four billion doses. Yeah, David

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Speaker 1: boosters here in the US when there's many people throughout

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Speaker 1: Do you need the Biden administration to take more leadership

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Speaker 1: the world has to come together and find solutions to

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Speaker 1: Just how bad is the climate problem in certain areas

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Speaker 1: that costs lives. The World Bank, the World Banks the

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Speaker 1: biggest financeer of climate change in the among the international

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Speaker 1: for adaptation, to to address countries that are in low

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Speaker 1: the projection of emissions into the future. You know, There

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Speaker 1: So that's a step around the world. We need all

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Speaker 1: of those steps. We're gonna run out of time, President Malpass,

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Speaker 1: But I want to say that today is a wonderful symbol.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be here, Tom. I wish the times

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Speaker 1: show right now on economics, finance, investment, and international relations

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Speaker 1: and speak to an authority linking economics to ethics. You

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Speaker 1: cannot do better than Glenn Hubbard. He is the dean

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Speaker 1: You said we need to teach ethics, explain executive ethics

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Speaker 1: and the idea that senior officials of the FED can

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Speaker 1: do investment in bond derivative products. Well, the first part

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Speaker 1: Part of that ethics, part of its understanding social structure.

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Speaker 1: The FED obviously does have to take a hard look

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Speaker 1: I think it is a matter for ongoing discussion and

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Speaker 1: cheer powells and a pretty strong signal. Well, it sound

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Speaker 1: a pretty strong signal. But what should be the best

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the safer route for a feteficial

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Speaker 1: You know, part of being an official is an abundance

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Speaker 1: of caution so that people don't challenge your motors. Professor,

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Speaker 1: do you think this is the credibility of the Federal

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Speaker 1: particularly social policy. Professor. This is the quote from Senator

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Speaker 1: At the same time, in any organization, you want to

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Speaker 1: be clear, you don't have mission creep. The job one

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Speaker 1: do you think he deserves the second term? Well, out,

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Speaker 1: I think he does. The FED has had I think

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Speaker 1: with everything, but certainly very good record. Cheer. Powell also

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Speaker 1: has had an ability that's quite distinctive to talk credibly

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Speaker 1: think it would probably be a mistake not to reappointment. Well,

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Speaker 1: Obviously Chair Power will try to do just that. It's

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Speaker 1: inflation is high and supply is the problem. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, a lot of people realize the dot plots

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Speaker 1: are shifting the possibility of a rate increase into But

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Speaker 1: I would expect Chair Powell to put off that discussion

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Speaker 1: it will come up, and it should. Glenn Hubbard, my

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Speaker 1: book of the year is In Defense of Public Debt.

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Speaker 1: I announced that quickly yesterday at Granted this is Barry

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Speaker 1: Ike and Green's tour to force on public debt. You

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Speaker 1: ramp up in this challenging situation, it's not easy UM,

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Speaker 1: six hundred target we have given to ourselves is a

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Speaker 1: realistic one. Always the pleasure. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing a little bit of what you're

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Speaker 1: thinking about the sustainability story UH and how it's going

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Speaker 1: to progress from here. GM four, the CEO of a US.

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