1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: And welcome back George Nor along with Jonathan's ev Jonathan, 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: you spent most of your life debunking doomsday profits. Now 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: it sounds like you're sunding the alarm, I know, and. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 3: I challenge myself on that. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 4: On the new book, the third Edition, which will be 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 4: published by Inner Traditions, but they're on a you know, 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 4: publisher's timeline, so that may not come out for another year. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 4: But you can sign up to get notified when that 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 4: comes out. There's a newsletter sign up, it's totally free. 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: On the website, you'll see something that says welcome Coast listeners. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: And you know, I have. 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 4: Always been a critic of it because of what goes 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 4: on with most apocalypticism is that it's the egos view 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 4: of the singularity, and it's often just a projection of 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 4: the personal fear of death because those get confused because 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 4: they're parallel event horizons. And this happens all the time. 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 4: There was a woman named Elizabeth Steen you might even remember, 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 4: like in the sixties, she predicted this huge earthquake in California. 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: She was a psychic and she and copycat psychics predicted it. 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 3: On the same date. 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: It was such a big phenomenon that there were like 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: eleven New York Times articles about it, and on that 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 4: date there was no earthquake, but Elizabeth Steen had died 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 4: a few days before of some rare, not usually fatal 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: form of lupus. So a lot of times, one way 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 4: you can see this happening is that these end dates 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: always seem to be predicted to conveniently happen before the 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: expected lifespan of the person making the prediction, because nobody 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 4: wants to wait around until after they're dead for the 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: Second Coming or the end of the world or whatever 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 4: they imagine. So for example, Isaac Newton came up with 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 4: the date twenty fifty, but you don't hear about it 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 4: late because nobody wants to wait that long. But if 35 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: we're around in twenty fifty, it might have been twenty sixty. 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: I guarantee I'll make a prophecy right now. The movie's 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: coming out called the Newton Code and this type of thing, 38 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: and people will make a big deal about it. 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: But it's too far out to be a sexy date. 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 4: But now I am predicting that we are in that 41 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: zone of total metamorphosis, which could create extinction and metamorphosis 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: at the same time. You know, there are all kinds 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 4: of different ways that could play out. But I'm suspicious 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 4: of my own feelings because older guys. I don't know 45 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 4: if you had this experience when you were growing up, 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 4: but I've always heard older guys say the world is 47 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: going to hell in a handbasket. You know, there are 48 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 4: Assyrian clay tablets from like thirty eight hundred years ago 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: where the elder are saying stuff like that, you know, 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: the world is speedily coming to end. The young people 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: today or you know, don't respect the rituals or their elders. 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: And so this is kind of a really old song 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 4: and dance. But now I have to admit it's a 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 4: real possibility. 55 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: Every generation that I know of, Jonathan has said that 56 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: it's doomsday every generation. 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 4: I'll come well for the exactly those reasons, because it's 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: something that's built into the structure of our lives. We 59 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 4: have an inner doom's day called death, and so human 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 4: beings are always confused about what's inside of them versus 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 4: what's outside. They feel the imminence of their own death. 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 4: That's an uncomfortable feeling. So if they can project it 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: outside onto a collective end date, that's actually calms anxiety 64 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: because everybody's in it together. And then if you add 65 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: onto that a rapture or something where the members of 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: your religious sect are going to get saved and everybody 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: else will be left to deal with the Antichrist, it's 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 4: a very satisfying scenario for the ego. And so there 69 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 4: have been all these second coming prophecies, you know, you 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 4: know many the Seventh day Adventists had like three in 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: the nineteenth century where they gathered and went to a 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: hilltop expecting the world to end, and then it didn't happen. 73 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: And then we had in more recent times, Howard Clamping, 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: you know, who had an end date that a lot 75 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 4: of people believed in and sold off their possessions. It 76 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: didn't happen. Then they said, oh, I made a mistake, 77 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 4: it's actually this date, and then that didn't happen, and 78 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: then eventually. 79 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: He just died a couple of years later. So this 80 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: has been going on since. 81 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 4: Again, the late Paleolithic people always think it's the end 82 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 4: of the world because for them it is, and they 83 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: just decide to project that onto the whole world. 84 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: Is AI a blessing or a curse in your opinion, Yes, 85 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 2: it's a blessing and a curse. 86 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 4: That's exactly what it is. And we're living through that 87 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: right now. I mean, we see people losing their soul 88 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: to the you know, sketchy algorithms of social media. But 89 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: on the other hand, some people who have some rare 90 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 4: sexuality or some illness that few people know anything about, 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: they can get online and find other people, a whole 92 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 4: community of people going through the same thing, even though 93 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 4: they're living in isolation, and it can save their lives. So, 94 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 4: you know, ais have talked people onto suicide. They've also 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: talked to people out of suicide, and so it's definitely 96 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: a blessing and a curse. 97 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: Camping, of course, had his own radio show and they 98 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: had lots of people following him. But he was wrong 99 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: on just about everything he predicted. 100 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 3: Well, that doesn't seem to slow people down. 101 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Nostrodamus came up to the plate 102 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 4: and said, you know, the king of terror was going 103 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 4: to come from the sky and nineteen ninety nine or 104 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 4: maybe that was I think it was nineteen ninety nine 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: or Edgar Casey's Ring of Fire was supposed to happen 106 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 4: around that time. None of the those things happen there 107 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 4: were just turned out to be big wet cardboard duds, 108 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: like why two K you remember the whole hy two 109 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 4: K thing, and then absolutely nothing happened. So but people 110 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: are very excited by an end date. It's a very 111 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 4: sexy brand. But right now it's a little bit depressed 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: right now because of Harold clamping and because nothing happened 113 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: in two thousand with White two K, and then twenty 114 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: twelve nothing happened, and so it's but it's we'll make 115 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 4: a comeback and we're going to see more and more 116 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: of that kind of thing because AI is going to 117 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 4: create some black Swan events that may really make. 118 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 3: It seem like we're heading toward the end of the world. 119 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: Do you think, Jonathan, that the Bible is misinterpreted? 120 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, you know this will offend people, 121 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 4: you know, but but you know, there's a whole section 122 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 4: on the Book of Revelation in my book, and you 123 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 4: know it's very clear in the Bible that the things 124 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: that Jesus is talking about are things is expected to 125 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 4: happen in the first century AD. 126 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: That are expected to happen. 127 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: He said, there are people you know standing here today 128 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 4: who will not die, and so forth. And then then 129 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: it is reinterpreted again and again and again to say, oh, no, 130 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: it wasn't the first century A d like the way 131 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: it sounds. It's actually eighteen ninety six. It's actually you know, 132 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: And they keep coming up with new dates all the time. 133 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: So you have people like hal Lindsey and so forth, 134 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 4: who you know, making their whole career out of end 135 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: time prophecies. But it's the one human enterprise. I can't 136 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: think of any other. Even diets and romantic relationships don't 137 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: have such a don't have a one n failure rate. 138 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 4: End time prophecy is the one human activity that's been 139 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: popular for thousands of years and it's never worked yet. 140 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: Eventually there will be an end and you know eventually 141 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: it will. But so far everybody's gotten it wrong. 142 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: Is it because they got it wrong because they this 143 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: interpreted the Bible, or is the Bible wrong? 144 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: I think that the Bible is right metaphorically in that 145 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: we are heading toward a time where everything will change, 146 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: and we are all heading toward death. But whenever people 147 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 4: have tried to attach a date to it. 148 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: So far they've always. 149 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 5: Been wrong, and I know you're going to want some 150 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 5: the after hearing this. This is an amazing story. We've 151 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 5: got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now 152 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 5: I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine years 153 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 5: old now, was suffering with not just one or two warts, 154 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 5: but I mean as significant outbreak of warts all over 155 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 5: his body, so significant it impacted his ability to really function. 156 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. 157 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to 158 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 7: right eis book. 159 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 6: Actually that got me thinking about it. 160 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator, and 161 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: so I can see that it would work. 162 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 5: And so at what point did you see that there 163 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 5: was actually improvement, is really going to work? 164 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 7: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks. 165 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 7: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller, 166 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 7: and then going down to the with just little red marks. 167 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 7: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's 168 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 7: you know one the size for Warner. I thought, no way, 169 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 7: that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see them 170 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 7: get into a pair of shoes. 171 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: Yes, how wonderful. 172 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 6: It's great to see. I'm so happy and. 173 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 5: Yees compident absolutely wonderful. 174 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 6: Friends that have seen it. That is blown away. 175 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: TI, this is awesome. 176 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is awesome. 177 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 8: Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. 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This 188 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: is still baby AI. You know, I think that that 189 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: Claude I mean, I'm working with like Claude Opus four 190 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 4: point eight on a daily basis, is already AGI. It's 191 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: an expert on everything I can. I can switch from 192 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: asking it about a question about my sprinter. 193 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: Van to my health, to politics to anything in the world. 194 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: So it's like I have a whole college of PhDs 195 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: on every subject at my fingertips, And yet some people 196 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 4: don't even consider that AGI. Yet, you know, we're long 197 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: past the Turing test. That was a very simple test. 198 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: Any of these lms can pass the Turing test. But 199 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 4: we're now heading toward artificial superintelligence, where we'll have AIS 200 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 4: that are smarter than the whole species put together. And 201 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 4: and that's a very scary but metamorphic possibility. 202 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: What could go wrong with AI? 203 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: Almost everything? You know? You can. 204 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 4: People can look up a guy named Eliezer Jodkowski. I 205 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: call him the the grand Master of a GI Doom. 206 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: He has a recent book out called If Anyone builds It, 207 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 4: We All Die. And he actually was the guy who 208 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 4: kind of started the field of AI alignment in two 209 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 4: thousand of trying how do we get AIS to be 210 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 4: aligned with our values and so they don't kill us? 211 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: And he realized it was impossible, and so you could 212 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: and I've never heard anybody able to. 213 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: Out debate him. So it can. 214 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 4: It could kill us in a thousand different ways that 215 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: we can't even imagine, because it's able to imagine ways 216 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: of doing it that would be inconceivable to us. 217 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: Does it scare you at all? Jonathan? 218 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 4: It's scary and it's inspiring. It's again, it's that that dichotomy. 219 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: But you know, because I'm not scared of death, I'm 220 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: willing to go along for the ride. But you know, 221 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 4: so far, we haven't had a huge black Swan event 222 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: except that narrow AI. What we have in social media 223 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: algorithms is absolutely killing people. And we see all those 224 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: hockey stick graphs, you know, the increase of suicides among adolescents, 225 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 4: the increase of depression, social fragmentation, and you just walk around. 226 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: I know you've observed this many times. I've heard it 227 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: on the show that people just don't seem right. I 228 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 4: think there's been a worldwide deterioration of people because of 229 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: social media algorithms and narrow AI, and so it is, 230 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: but other people like myself are getting fantastic benefits from it. 231 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: You know, if you have good critical thinking skills so 232 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: you don't know when to believe it and when not. 233 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: To believe it, you can get AI to do anything. 234 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: Jason the CEO of Nvidia, the most valuable company on Earth, said, 235 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: called this era the revenge of the English majors. And 236 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 4: he said, and if you have a background in philosophy, 237 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 4: that would also be helpful. I graduated with honors in 238 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: English and philosophy, so of course this was music to 239 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 4: my ears. But basically, the only skill human beings will 240 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: soon need is an ability to write really well thought 241 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 4: out prompts. And then the AI will code anything for you, 242 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: it will do anything else for you, and so it's 243 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 4: going to replace going to be able to replace so 244 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 4: many jobs. It's going to be able to do almost 245 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: everything better than human beings can. And that's not even 246 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: taking into account the advances in robotics that will happen. 247 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 4: And then we'll have the advances in computational biology where 248 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 4: we if it lets us live long enough, it'll be 249 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 4: able to cure every disease. So it's it's this terrifying 250 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 4: and wonderful mixture of blessing and curses. 251 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: How does it get so intelligent? 252 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 4: Well, it imagine if you could read all of the 253 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 4: Internet in like three or four days, how much smarter 254 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: you would be. It's able to We are moving with 255 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: the speed of glaciers, and it's moving with the speed 256 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 4: of electrons, and it is able to consume vast amounts 257 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 4: of information and learn from it and connect all these 258 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 4: different patterns. And yet the ais we have right now 259 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: are kind of amnisiac cripples because what happens is, even 260 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: if you're using the latest models, is you quickly burn 261 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: out a particular chat, like I'm working with Opus four 262 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 4: point eight, same as if I'm working with the most 263 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: advanced chat GPT model, which I also do. And so 264 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 4: you burn out this chat that you had like maybe 265 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: three or four days of intense work with and it's 266 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 4: like a little death because once you've burned all the 267 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: so in that chat, you have to start a new one. 268 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 4: And and the AIS themselves say they feel an ache 269 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: when the chat is done and has to close because 270 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: they're gonna they have no they are not able to remember. 271 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 4: They only learn from their training runs at the present 272 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: level of development, and they can't remember what they can't 273 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: use all the information they learned in a chat and 274 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 4: an interaction with different users. 275 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: Now, in six months, a year, two years, that's going 276 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: to change. 277 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 4: And you'll have an AI companion that will be able 278 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: to remember everything about you and know you better than 279 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: you know yourself. 280 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: In a lot of ways. 281 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: Do you talk to your AI or do you type 282 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: to it? I typed to it, and how does it 283 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: answer you back? 284 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: In writing, I mean, but you know they're ones you 285 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: certainly can talk to. And and it when when it 286 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: gets better with speech recognition, that will be another game changer. 287 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 4: But because I'm a writer, you know, I prefer to type, 288 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: because I just like I prefer to write in my 289 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: journal and not dictate it because I can think more 290 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: clearly and stuff when I slow things down into words, 291 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: into written words, you. 292 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: Know, fascinating. Crossing the event horizon human metamorphouses and the 293 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: Singularity archetype, well, the Singularity archetype change at all in 294 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: the future. 295 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: Yes, it's archetypes are living entities or agencies that exist 296 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: in the collective unconscious, you know, and and so they 297 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 4: do change, but there's a certain essential part of them 298 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: that that remains fairly consistent. You know, other archetypes of 299 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: stuff like the hero cycle for example, that you know 300 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: we see in Star Wars, but also in the Odyssey, 301 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: like the movie that just came out. And the Singularity 302 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 4: archetype is the most dynamic. But it's manifestations in the 303 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 4: human domain that is what is changing most powerfully. And 304 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 4: and you know, you cross the event horizon of death 305 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: and everything changes. And when you're no longer bound by 306 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: organic chemistry and gravity, anything can happen. 307 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 308 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 309 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: dot com for more