Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we just
Speaker 1: bought a gallon of sunscreen and three portable fans in
Speaker 1: preparation for WNBA.
Speaker 2: All Star weekend in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: On today's show, we're going to talk all things hoops
Speaker 1: and the joys of retirement with four time WNBA champ
Speaker 1: and five time Olympic gold medalist Sue Byrd. But first,
Speaker 1: here's what you need to know.
Speaker 2: Today. It's All Star Friday.
Speaker 1: The skills competition and the three point contest are today
Speaker 1: the big news. No Sabrina Ynescu or Kitlin Clark in
Speaker 1: the three point contest. Now, multiple outlets reported that the
Speaker 1: WNBA invited both of them, but they declined. Sabrina of
Speaker 1: course getting ready for the Olympics, and Kaitlin Clark has
Speaker 1: been playing basketball pretty much every day since well really
Speaker 1: since she was born, but especially all season long for
Speaker 1: college straight into the WNBA. So I guess I understand
Speaker 1: needing a break, but this is so disappointing, especially after
Speaker 1: we saw what Sabrina did in the men's All Star
Speaker 1: competition with Steph Curry. I want to see her come
Speaker 1: back and try to beat her own record from the
Speaker 1: women's three point line, and I really wanted to see
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark do what she does best. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would love for them to create a second three point
Speaker 1: line near half court logo threes only, Like, can we
Speaker 1: just get a Caitlin Clark logo threes competing against herself?
Speaker 2: Three point contest? Augh, I'm just very disappointed. I get it,
Speaker 2: I get it, they need some rest. It's up to them.
Speaker 2: They don't owe us anything.
Speaker 1: And yet that was a huge opportunity for both the
Speaker 1: league and for both of those players.
Speaker 2: So I'm really bummed we're not going to get to
Speaker 2: see them tonight.
Speaker 1: We are going to get some great three point competitors though,
Speaker 1: the Liberties jhon Qwell Jones taken on the Washington Mystic
Speaker 1: Stephanie Dolson, who is a center. Yes, that's right, a
Speaker 1: center in the three point contest and as a former
Speaker 1: big you know I'm going to be rooting for steph
Speaker 1: She also used to be a proud Chicago Sky member.
Speaker 1: Dolson actually currently the WNBA leader in three point field
Speaker 1: goal percentage this season, so we love to see it.
Speaker 1: They'll be shooting against the Minnesota Links. Kayla McBride, Atlanta Dreams,
Speaker 1: Alicia Gray and the get Sons. Marina Maybury also super
Speaker 1: pumped for the Skills Challenge because we got Britney Griner
Speaker 1: representing her home team, the Phoenix Mercury, and she's going
Speaker 1: to compete against a bunch of guards including her Mercury
Speaker 1: teammate Sophie Cunningham again Gray and Maybury.
Speaker 2: And then the twenty.
Speaker 1: Nineteen WNBA All Star MVP Erica Wheeler of the Indiana Fever.
Speaker 1: So overall bummed about Sabrina and CC, but lots of
Speaker 1: fun tonight in the skills competition and the three point contest.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, we got the All Star Game, Team USA
Speaker 1: versus Team WNBA, and it's the Battle of the Cheryls.
Speaker 1: Cheryl Reeve, head coach of the Minnesota Lynx, who is
Speaker 1: also serving as head coach of the US Olympic team,
Speaker 1: is going to lead Team USA in the All Star Game,
Speaker 1: taking on Team WNBA and their head coach.
Speaker 2: Cheryl Miller.
Speaker 1: Miller, a women's basketball pioneer, also was the Mercury's first
Speaker 1: ever head coach back in nineteen ninety seven. Pumped for
Speaker 1: the Battle of the Cheryls. I hope they're both miked
Speaker 1: up too. There could be some good trash talk in
Speaker 1: that one. The Phoenix Mercury unveiled their new practice facility
Speaker 1: on Thursday, fifty eight thousand square foot performance center. The
Speaker 1: organization said it cost one hundred million dollars to build
Speaker 1: and it includes everything from a full kitchen with a
Speaker 1: team chef, to an underwater treadmill to two practice courts
Speaker 1: dedicated to Diana Tarassi. Tarassi has played her entire twenty
Speaker 1: season WNBA career with the Mercury. Very cool move to
Speaker 1: name those courts after her. Also pretty cool move by
Speaker 1: the Mercury to try to appeal to free agents because
Speaker 1: practice facilities have become a massive selling point during WNBA
Speaker 1: free agency. In the last year, both the Las Vegas
Speaker 1: Aces and the Seattle Storm built brand new dedicated practice centers,
Speaker 1: and those facilities have clearly had a big influence in
Speaker 1: attracting some of the league's biggest names. While the Olympic
Speaker 1: Girlies are away, the Club Girlies will play. That's right,
Speaker 1: there's still soccer to watch, not just Olympic soccer. NWSL
Speaker 1: times Leaga MX Feminil Summer Cup kicks off today. It's
Speaker 1: a first of its kind tournament featuring clubs from the
Speaker 1: NWSL of the US and League MXFEMINIL of Mexico. Tonight's
Speaker 1: Seattle Rain versus Utah Royals at nine Eastern on CBS
Speaker 1: Sportsnet and Paramount Plus. Then Tigras UANL versus Pachuca at
Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern on Paramount Plus and CBS Sports Golazo Network.
Speaker 1: Athletes Unlimited Lacrosse started last night. If you're not familiar,
Speaker 1: AU Lacrosse is a four week fifty six player league
Speaker 1: held in Sparks, Maryland, with twenty four games scheduled through
Speaker 1: the August eleventh Grand Finale. It's a short form, fast
Speaker 1: paced format with ten minute quarters, ten v ten gameplay,
Speaker 1: a sixty second shot clock, and it's all housed on
Speaker 1: a ninety yard by sixty yard playing field. Now AU
Speaker 1: uses a special scoring system that sort of rewards individual
Speaker 1: players as well as teams, so every player can lose
Speaker 1: or win points during every game. Athletes score points as
Speaker 1: individuals and as a team to go on to an
Speaker 1: MVP titles and get cash bonuses. Each week, players and
Speaker 1: fans get a chance to vote for their MVP, and
Speaker 1: then the top four players become new captains. Each week
Speaker 1: draft their teams from scratch for the next week's games.
Speaker 1: It's a little confusing at first, but then it becomes
Speaker 1: such a cool way to root for players and see
Speaker 1: different matchups in different team dynamics.
Speaker 2: So just watch it for a bit and you'll get
Speaker 2: the feel for it.
Speaker 1: You can go to auprosports dot com slash lacrosse to
Speaker 1: check out the schedules and TV times. We are hurtling
Speaker 1: into the All Star weekend and then we're crashing into
Speaker 1: the Olympic break, but we got to put the brakes
Speaker 1: on real quick and take a breath. We can't put
Speaker 1: the first half of the WNBA season to bed without
Speaker 1: first acknowledging yet another milestone for Kaitlin Clark. The Indiana
Speaker 1: Fever rookie broke the WNBA single game assist record on
Speaker 1: Wednesday night, recording nineteen assists in the team's loss to
Speaker 1: the Dallas Wings. This amazing accomplishment brings us to a
Speaker 1: great yes and moment.
Speaker 2: Yes and.
Speaker 1: Yes, Kaitlin Clark's dimes are a wonder and the league
Speaker 1: has seen some pretty good passers in the past two
Speaker 1: Some are still dishing it out every night. Actually, like
Speaker 1: the woman Caitlyn passed in the record books, the Liberty's
Speaker 1: Courtney Vanderslute. Now Slute had the record with eighteen assists
Speaker 1: in a game set in August of twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: she's also tied for third most assists in a game
Speaker 1: with sixteen, alongside current players Alyssa Thomas of Connecticut and
Speaker 1: Salutes teammate in New York Sabrina and Escu, plus the
Speaker 1: great t Scha Pennchero, who dished out sixteen assists twice
Speaker 1: in her career back in ninety eight and two for
Speaker 1: the Sacramento Monarchs Rip Monarchs, Google them Pennachero sixteen and
Speaker 1: ninety eight was the rookie single game record before Caitlyn's
Speaker 1: big nights, So there's another record for Caitlin. CC has
Speaker 1: also now set the Fevers single season franchise assist record.
Speaker 1: She's got two hundred and two in twenty six games
Speaker 1: with plenty more games to go. So yes, Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: and go google t Chapennachero highlights when we come back.
Speaker 2: Her job is basketball. At least it was.
Speaker 1: It's Sue Berd aka Barbie the Legend drops by to
Speaker 1: dish on the WNBA.
Speaker 2: Reality TV and more joining us.
Speaker 1: Now we've got one of the greatest players in WNBA history,
Speaker 1: and you better take a.
Speaker 2: Seat, because it's gonna take a while.
Speaker 1: She's a four time WNBA champ, a thirteen time WNBA
Speaker 1: All Star, a five time Olympic gold medal. It's a
Speaker 1: two time NCAA champion, and a multi hyphenate post retirement,
Speaker 1: already well into securing an equally powerful legacy in media,
Speaker 1: team ownership and business. She has broken her nose exactly
Speaker 1: the same number of times she's one Olympic gold. It's
Speaker 1: super bird unless you've broken your nose more recently when
Speaker 1: you weren't on TV and we didn't get to witness it.
Speaker 3: No, No, I think the next time I break my
Speaker 3: nose is when I'm getting a nose job.
Speaker 1: I broke my nose in field hockey in high school,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all these years later, still every once
Speaker 1: so WHI, I'll catch sight of it and be like,
Speaker 1: I should have just I should have gotten that fixed.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's actually it's my I have a deviated
Speaker 3: septum like a lot of people. Yeah, it's the breeding issues.
Speaker 3: It's less vanity, more breathing. I might just claim five
Speaker 3: times is no good.
Speaker 1: I might claim a deviated septum order to fix it.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna know no, So I have to start
Speaker 1: with something really important, which is, I think you're kind
Speaker 1: of my boss now, because you're the chief strategy officer
Speaker 1: for Deep Blue Sports Entertainment, which is one half of
Speaker 1: the partnership along with iHeart that launched this show, that
Speaker 1: launched this women's sports audio network.
Speaker 2: I'm just a plead.
Speaker 1: I'm just the talent here, and I'm trying to figure out, like,
Speaker 1: what kind of boss are you?
Speaker 3: Good question. I've never been a boss before, so we're
Speaker 3: just gonna have to learn together here.
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds terrifying. I mean I think a point
Speaker 2: guard is basically a boss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I'm definitely nobody's boss. Even when I
Speaker 3: played you know, we're gonna get serious on it. Even
Speaker 3: when I play the point guard position, which is you know,
Speaker 3: the leader and all the things. You know, you're not
Speaker 3: going to actually act like a boss.
Speaker 2: That's no fun.
Speaker 3: I don't think you get the best out of people
Speaker 3: on that way.
Speaker 1: You're not firing anybody, that's for sure. That's still absolutely
Speaker 1: good now, definitely not. It is very difficul to keep
Speaker 1: up with you these days. In fact, I had to
Speaker 1: go all the way to the south of France to
Speaker 1: hang out with you at Sport Beach at can But
Speaker 1: I do spot you on social a lot so I
Speaker 1: can keep tabs of what you're doing. You're sitting court
Speaker 1: side at Seattle Storm Games, You're attending Gotham f C Games.
Speaker 1: You're a co owner over there. You're launching new content
Speaker 1: for Together and a touch more new deals with Box.
Speaker 1: You co produced a documentary, So let's pause there. Power
Speaker 1: of the Dream. It's streaming now in prime video. It's
Speaker 1: this incredible look at the true power of the WNBA
Speaker 1: off the court at a moment in time that really
Speaker 1: blew people's minds. Tell me about making that and tell
Speaker 1: folks why they should watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'll start. I'll start with the ladder. So
Speaker 3: this is just the story of you know, all of
Speaker 3: us when we were in the bubble season we arrived there.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's in the middle of a pandemic. It's also
Speaker 3: in the middle of the social uprising, and we really
Speaker 3: wanted the season to stand for something. We wanted to
Speaker 3: stand for social justice. We wanted to have black live
Speaker 3: matter on the court. We wanted to have say her
Speaker 3: name on our warm up shirts, Brianna Taylor's name on
Speaker 3: our jerseys. So it was really, you know, we wanted
Speaker 3: to have impact, only to be met with resistance by
Speaker 3: a Republican sitting senator who was also the owner of
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Dream and Kelly Loffler. And it's really the
Speaker 3: story of you know, her essentially telling us that we're
Speaker 3: trying to be too political, you know, trying that Black
Speaker 3: Lives Matter is a political movement, a device, and a
Speaker 3: divisive one at that. And it's really about it's a
Speaker 3: story about the history of w B activism and how
Speaker 3: we got to twenty twenty and why we had the
Speaker 3: backbones that we had, if you will. And then it's
Speaker 3: also about what we did and the strategy that we
Speaker 3: took and how we were able to kind of defend
Speaker 3: ourselves while also helping American democracy. And that's not like
Speaker 3: a that's not like a loose statement. It's like very
Speaker 3: fastial the Senate. Yeah, no, it's pretty crazy when you
Speaker 3: think about it. So it's really just a story of that.
Speaker 3: And I think so it's important to watch it to
Speaker 3: see just I think how the WNBA rolls and really
Speaker 3: how anyone and any you know, I don't know at
Speaker 3: any workplace, at any moment in their lives, in any community.
Speaker 3: When you come together and you get strategic good things
Speaker 3: can happen. Good things can happen. So I was really
Speaker 3: excited to be a part of that. The co producing
Speaker 3: part is really just more kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: making sure the dots are connecting, you know, making sure
Speaker 3: we have enough photo, enough video. Luckily, you know, it
Speaker 3: was the bubble, so a lot of people were taking
Speaker 3: pictures of videos who were able to use a lot
Speaker 3: of the archival there, so putting it to putting it
Speaker 3: all together was great. But don Porter, the director, is
Speaker 3: the one that she's incredible all that she noted it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she was one of.
Speaker 1: The directors of the incredible Title nine documentary the ESPN did,
Speaker 1: and that was just fantastic. I love how you were
Speaker 1: just one of the co producers of the doc but
Speaker 1: also like basically a co producer of the movement because
Speaker 1: you were such a huge part of making it happen.
Speaker 1: So it's multifaceted that role for you. Where else are
Speaker 1: you spending most of your time these days? How do
Speaker 1: you just side which projects to say yes to? And
Speaker 1: how hard is it to say no when everyone's like,
Speaker 1: but it's women's sports and you're super birds, so you
Speaker 1: should be involved with all of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never been good at saying no, Like my
Speaker 3: whole life. It's that whole you know, that old people
Speaker 3: pleasing thing. So I'm definitely navigating that. I do feel like,
Speaker 3: honestly similar to you, Sarah, why the show is so important.
Speaker 3: We're kind we're on the same age and so we
Speaker 3: have similar experience, and that we've been in women's sports
Speaker 3: for so long, so we're uniquely positioned our voices, our experience,
Speaker 3: all of that, understanding the nuance. I mean, we've talked
Speaker 3: about this at nauseum at times, so it's hard to
Speaker 3: say no because we are at such a pivotal moment.
Speaker 3: It's so exciting. There's so much coverage, or so much
Speaker 3: more coverage. So you want to have those voices a
Speaker 3: part of it. You want to have your you know,
Speaker 3: your fingerprints all over it. But you have to learn
Speaker 3: how to say no too. So that's kind of what
Speaker 3: I'm navigating, trying to keep the main thing, the main thing,
Speaker 3: which at this point is really just not you know,
Speaker 3: overdoing it for myself.
Speaker 1: I like how you tried to find a main thing,
Speaker 1: and you still were like, it's still all the things,
Speaker 1: but like just doing only so many of all the things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, I've never had a main thing.
Speaker 2: I was to have athlete. I didn't even have a
Speaker 2: main thing in sports.
Speaker 1: I've literally never said no, not even to an event
Speaker 1: other than like the mile plus anything longer than a mile.
Speaker 2: It was easy to say no to.
Speaker 3: I'm out. You didn't have like one that you were
Speaker 3: better at.
Speaker 1: I mean, my best was probably that gaveling, and then
Speaker 1: hurdles and triple and long jump. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: didn't really have one that was so much better than
Speaker 1: the others.
Speaker 2: Never been good at the main thing.
Speaker 1: You did finally say no to basketball, and by that
Speaker 1: I mean you were retired finally, which is like, I'm
Speaker 1: still sad, you know this, because I was such an
Speaker 1: asshole the entire time, every time you were like I'm
Speaker 1: not sure.
Speaker 2: I'm like one more year, You're not allowed all of us.
Speaker 1: You're the only thing I have left when I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's people my age still doing stuff.
Speaker 2: OK, what's been the best part about being retired?
Speaker 3: Probably just making my own schedule. You know, obviously, listen,
Speaker 3: you play sports. Everybody knows it when you're an athlete,
Speaker 3: like you're in season, you've got games, you're traveling. If
Speaker 3: you don't have games, you have practice, and the off
Speaker 3: season you work out. But I don't think the part
Speaker 3: that people don't understand is just how it's constantly running
Speaker 3: in the backdrop. There's just this thing that is just
Speaker 3: always there, and it's either providing a little bit of guilt,
Speaker 3: like crap, I gotta fucking get up and work out.
Speaker 3: How am I going to set this in? Or it's
Speaker 3: providing a ton of other emotions. But it's just always there.
Speaker 3: It's always guiding you. And so once that was gone,
Speaker 3: there's definitely moments of like what the fuck do I
Speaker 3: do now? But now I'm almost two years, Like once
Speaker 3: this WNB season ends, it'll be two years. So I'm
Speaker 3: starting to get into a flow and I really like
Speaker 3: that I can. I I have my own time. I
Speaker 3: get to make the decisions I want with my own
Speaker 3: time now outside of work stuff that still exists. But
Speaker 3: that's really nice. Like Megan and I can I don't know,
Speaker 3: go to Mexico for a weekend if we want it,
Speaker 3: you know, we can take a trip, we can see friends,
Speaker 3: we can make these decisions where before that was just
Speaker 3: not on the table. So it's been really cool to
Speaker 3: kind of add those days back into like my consciousness.
Speaker 3: They were just not there, they didn't exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty wild. I think the non athlete doesn't
Speaker 1: really get. It's kind of like I think about being
Speaker 1: like an actor and actress, where it's like, no, no, you
Speaker 1: can't cut your hair. You can't like accidentally get a
Speaker 1: bruise because that's not going to match the time we
Speaker 1: were recording this scene the last time, and now we
Speaker 1: have to make it. You know, like your body and
Speaker 1: you are not entirely yours in a way that's very
Speaker 1: different from a lot of other jobs.
Speaker 2: What's been the toughest.
Speaker 3: Part probably like the same thing.
Speaker 2: No structure. No one's telling me like what the hell
Speaker 2: am I spying?
Speaker 3: I know my dad. My dad has through through my
Speaker 3: professional career, has joked that I've just been in like
Speaker 3: this extended version of kindergarten. You know. It's like people
Speaker 3: telling me where to go when I have a booboo,
Speaker 3: they fix it. And I think all of those Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: make sure you your snack, make sure that's that, make
Speaker 3: sure you nap, don't miss your nap time.
Speaker 2: You have literal timeouts.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, so that part has been tough too.
Speaker 3: I think the hardest part is just I guess, like
Speaker 3: the identity piece of it. You know, it's even it
Speaker 3: still doesn't roll off my tongue when if I introduce,
Speaker 3: if I'm getting introduced or I'm introducing myself, like oh,
Speaker 3: retired athlete, former athlete, it still doesn't come naturally. I
Speaker 3: still speak in the wing when I talk about the
Speaker 3: w NBA, So that part is still slowly I'm still
Speaker 3: slowly letting go of it. So it's been a process
Speaker 3: getting better, but it's been that's probably the hardest part.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say forever athlete retired is fine if we
Speaker 1: never say fur I like that. You mentioned Megan your
Speaker 1: full fiance still unless you secretly got married.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's been a long engagement, so just checking.
Speaker 1: To make sure a little bit we didn't make use
Speaker 1: of our free time that way. You and Meghan Rapino
Speaker 1: this incredible power couple, and you've done a lot separately
Speaker 1: and a lot together. I'm wondering the weirdest pitch or
Speaker 1: invitation that you've gotten. You don't necessarily have to share
Speaker 1: names or specifics of a company or a person, but like,
Speaker 1: did you ever get like a prince in Dubai that's
Speaker 1: like okay, five million dollars to be at my party
Speaker 1: or some company that you're like, this is the worst.
Speaker 2: This is like not a fit.
Speaker 3: Nothing is nothing's collen to the top of my head.
Speaker 3: And this isn't This isn't a plug, I promise, but
Speaker 3: we are. We recently announced we're going to do like
Speaker 3: a reality show around the dating lives of women's athletes.
Speaker 1: No way, where did you announce it?
Speaker 2: How do I gus this?
Speaker 3: It's like a touch more which is me and Megan's
Speaker 3: production company in partnership with Together but also a partnership
Speaker 3: with Bunna Murray. It does. I mean, they're like the
Speaker 3: wizards of this.
Speaker 1: Oh my wait wait wait wait wait more details all
Speaker 1: the details.
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, I mean we're going to follow you know,
Speaker 3: any female athlete that wants to be a part of it.
Speaker 3: We're going to follow their dating lives. So whether it's
Speaker 3: people who are in relationships mary, partner, husband, white, doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: all the above, everything in between, single dating, you knowing
Speaker 3: mingled and just like yeah, we don't want it to
Speaker 3: be it's not gonna it's not gonna start out as
Speaker 3: like some salacious thing.
Speaker 1: No, it's gonna turn into fantasy. It's gonna turn Remember
Speaker 1: that show, wasn't it Fantasy Island?
Speaker 2: Discover Way America can't stop talking about Temptation Island.
Speaker 3: I never watched it.
Speaker 2: I never literally watched it with my dad. I don't
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: What weird that was when we were growing up, it
Speaker 1: was like they sent couples to a place and they
Speaker 1: were like, either this will bring you closer together, or
Speaker 1: you'll all start having sex with each other instead.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like that's like that. I feel like
Speaker 2: that could be this. It's like, hey, we have a
Speaker 2: bunch of it.
Speaker 3: I might have teammates, you might have teammates dating. It
Speaker 3: might have you know, like inter league dating, Yeah, different sports,
Speaker 3: you name it. So we're in the process right now. Obviously,
Speaker 3: people always want to know if we're going to be
Speaker 3: on it. We are not. Maybe I was like, can't
Speaker 3: we just be like the cool people on the cameo? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're like Nickololache and.
Speaker 2: What's your face on Love is Blind? No? No, it's
Speaker 2: news No whatever his new way. I don't watch these
Speaker 2: things Okay, well I didn't.
Speaker 3: I watch Love on the Spectrum though, do you watch
Speaker 3: Love on the Spectrum? Oh my god is the best.
Speaker 1: I try not to watch any of them, and then
Speaker 1: someone I respect happens to mention it, and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a shot. Mina chimes Love is Blind,
Speaker 1: And then here I am like five seasons in wasting
Speaker 1: my life away watching freaking Love is Blind. Anyway, you
Speaker 1: could be like Nick Lashane whatever his wife's name is,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for that woman, Vanessa che.
Speaker 2: I forget your name.
Speaker 1: And they come in and they're like, all right, couples,
Speaker 1: you know, anyway, that's.
Speaker 2: That's that's gonna be your in. Meghan's role is like
Speaker 2: the overseer of all the action.
Speaker 1: Okay, you and Megan famously have talked about how late
Speaker 1: in your career, since you both played longer than the
Speaker 1: majority of athletes, how you got the workouts in and
Speaker 1: changed your regimen. You had this great trainer that worked
Speaker 1: with you to keep your body going. What does it
Speaker 1: look like now no one is making you work out,
Speaker 1: You don't have to be ready for anything.
Speaker 2: What are you guys up to this?
Speaker 3: FI? I mean, we're going right back to your other question.
Speaker 3: This falls into like making my own schedule. I'm not
Speaker 3: on somebody else's time. But what I've found is I
Speaker 3: still like working out. I still, I still it makes
Speaker 3: me like feel better in my body throughout the day.
Speaker 3: But I've learned that it doesn't have to be tiller.
Speaker 3: I think for a while, it took me a minute
Speaker 3: to shed this. I don't know this like, it's not
Speaker 3: an obsession. It was more just will be the right word,
Speaker 3: maybe like a need. I needed the workout to be hard.
Speaker 3: I needed to feel like I did it and I
Speaker 3: accomplished something for this larger goal that was like being
Speaker 3: ready for games or whatever I'm gonna call it. So
Speaker 3: I definitely let go of that. Finally it took a minute.
Speaker 3: So now I can you know, if I go for
Speaker 3: a thirty minute walk, cool?
Speaker 2: Yeah if I do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go do I don't know, a boxing class, great?
Speaker 3: And then yeah if you want to do a hard
Speaker 3: one every now and then when there when the mood strikes,
Speaker 3: which it doesn't strike off, great, But if I take
Speaker 3: a couple of days off in a row, I'm also
Speaker 3: not being myself up. Yeah for me, part of that
Speaker 3: identity thing I was talking about earlier was I did.
Speaker 3: I did kind of embody this aging athlete who was
Speaker 3: still at the top of her game, and that for
Speaker 3: I was the oldest player in the WNBA for like
Speaker 3: five or six years, so it was just like it
Speaker 3: was constant in my head too, though everybody reminded me, like, oh,
Speaker 3: super the oldest player of the w She's a miracle exactly,
Speaker 3: and I think I like really digested that, and so
Speaker 3: for a while there it took me a minute to
Speaker 3: like let go of that. But yeah, I've gotten to
Speaker 3: a good place where I basically, you know, I work
Speaker 3: out enough where I can even drink whatever I want.
Speaker 3: Is really what we're talking you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was like me right after track, when
Speaker 1: I stopped competing, I like couldn't go to yoga.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this even I'm not pouring sweat,
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: And of course later I come to realize how good
Speaker 1: it is and beneficial and I really enjoy it, but
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm gonna run to yoga and then
Speaker 1: run home from it, and then I'll get a good
Speaker 1: five miles in.
Speaker 2: In addition to the class.
Speaker 1: For those who haven't heard it, it's just one of
Speaker 1: my favorite stories tell the story of showing up to
Speaker 1: camp and having a chat with your youngest teammate about
Speaker 1: the age of her mother.
Speaker 3: Oh god. So yeah. This was I think twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: so I wasn't even in my retirement year yet. So
Speaker 3: Kicky Herbert Harrigan, she had come from South Carolina. She
Speaker 3: was in our camp and we were just chatting and
Speaker 3: she was like, hey, my mom's in Seattle, Like, would
Speaker 3: it be cool if you, you know, like meet her
Speaker 3: after the game or meet her, you know, take a
Speaker 3: picture of whatever.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, cool.
Speaker 3: So anyways, in that conversation, it's somehow comes up where
Speaker 3: I think maybe Kiki was like, oh, you guys have
Speaker 3: the same birthday and I was like, oh nice, like
Speaker 3: October sixty who And I was like, oh what, Like
Speaker 3: I don't even remember if I asked. I think I did.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, what year she bore She's like, oh,
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm sorry, Well, I'm like me
Speaker 4: and your mom are the exact same age. I was like,
Speaker 4: what does this mean for my life right now?
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was at first, Yeah, it got a lass, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I knew it. I knew I was getting I
Speaker 3: knew I was getting to that age where I was
Speaker 3: having teammates on my team. And I even said this.
Speaker 3: I was like, I have teammates on my team that
Speaker 3: I really could be their mother, and not in like
Speaker 3: some accidental.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not like in high school like I planned this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, like, I want to start my family.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you knew it. I'm delusional.
Speaker 1: And when I became an owner of the Red Stars,
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, I'm like the players kind
Speaker 1: of not their parents. And then the same thing happened.
Speaker 1: One of them was like, oh my god, it's your birthday.
Speaker 1: Today's my mom's birthday.
Speaker 2: And my husband was like, probably the same haha.
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh, she's born in seventy nine.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, just got her by a year. Yes,
Speaker 1: but still what the I.
Speaker 3: Thought, No, I know you're reminding me, you're taking me back.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is going to hit for you.
Speaker 3: I'm going on a limb here. I remember I had
Speaker 3: like a big blow to my life when I realized
Speaker 3: I was older than all the people in real world.
Speaker 1: For the youngsters the real world, No, I think it
Speaker 1: still exists, right, now they just have like challenges.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 1: Instead of you know, gaunt, let's stop faking and start
Speaker 1: getting real or whatever they did.
Speaker 2: People stop and start getting.
Speaker 1: Okay, back to the basketball. So you really like made
Speaker 1: the WNBA what it is today. You and many many
Speaker 1: others are such a huge part of why these current
Speaker 1: athletes are getting unprecedented levels of coverage and endorsements and
Speaker 1: support and love. What percentage of you, be honest, is
Speaker 1: proud and happy for them, and what percentage of you
Speaker 1: is jealous that you retired right before all of this.
Speaker 3: I'm in a pretty good place about it. I'll say,
Speaker 3: like I'll say, like I was gonna say ninety ten,
Speaker 3: then I was gonna say eighty twenty, So we'll go
Speaker 3: eighty five. We split the difference eighty five fifteen. I mean,
Speaker 3: of course, there's a part of me that wishes I
Speaker 3: could play, but simultaneously, I don't wish I could play
Speaker 3: at forties three, Like if I was twenty three, Uh,
Speaker 3: forget it. I would love to be able to go
Speaker 3: back in time and be a twenty three year old
Speaker 3: right now. Absolutely. I actually said that recently to someone
Speaker 3: who was like I was like, dang, I was born
Speaker 3: too soon, and they were like, yeah, but you could
Speaker 3: have been born earlier and it would be even worse.
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, good point. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 3: of course I think someone will be lying if they
Speaker 3: said they wouldn't want to go back, like any WNBA
Speaker 3: player who is now retired and play right now. It's
Speaker 3: everything we always fought for or always wanted. We always
Speaker 3: knew that. The one thing I know, I always said
Speaker 3: throughout my career. It's like at times we will be like,
Speaker 3: what needs to change in marketing and in business and
Speaker 3: in this and then that, and I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know, But what I do know is the product
Speaker 3: on the floor like that has sustained, like that has
Speaker 3: not just sustained, that has gotten better. We've done our part,
Speaker 3: and so it really is wonderful to see like all
Speaker 3: of that payoff, to see the attention come. Like you
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, I tried to go as many games as
Speaker 3: I can, whether you know I'm in New York or Seattle,
Speaker 3: that's where Megan and I both live now, And it really,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unreal. It's great. I love it. I
Speaker 3: mean every now and then I get annoyed at the
Speaker 3: narratives and all those things of that.
Speaker 1: Yes, Like, how do you explain the hysteria that we
Speaker 1: saw in the beginning of the season, particularly around rookies
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, Like the coverage was insane,
Speaker 1: but also it was hysterical and unhinged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just it was a lot. It really
Speaker 3: was a lot of new eyeballs that, you know, the
Speaker 3: college players brought with them, which I still don't understand
Speaker 3: how that happened because I always said this, where do
Speaker 3: you think all the W ANDB players came from? Like
Speaker 3: we all came from college. I don't get it, like
Speaker 3: we all, you know, but Kaylin and Angel I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: you can talk about a lot of college players, but
Speaker 3: those two in particular, they I don't know what when
Speaker 3: I see the younger generation, I just see people that
Speaker 3: different from when I was coming out of college and
Speaker 3: even pretty much all in my career. They now see
Speaker 3: these business opportunities and they jump at them. They're they're smart,
Speaker 3: they're strategic. We felt lucky just to have a league,
Speaker 3: and they're and they're like seeking things out in a
Speaker 3: different way, which I love to see. But from a
Speaker 3: basketball standpoint, I think Caitlin in particular, you know her
Speaker 3: long distance threes. I always said this, we finally got
Speaker 3: the an acdote to dunking. All we heard our entire
Speaker 3: existence was you guys are boring. You know dunk Oh,
Speaker 3: maybe you should lower the rims. It would be more exciting.
Speaker 3: And the thing about the long three is it is
Speaker 3: what it is. The distance is the distance. It goes
Speaker 3: in or it doesn't. It's the same for everybody. And
Speaker 3: so in a sense, I think she snapped people out
Speaker 3: of this trance that was very negative towards women's basketball,
Speaker 3: and now she's brought this huge group. What happened then
Speaker 3: was and you don't really see it. You didn't really
Speaker 3: see this, and you don't see this in a lot
Speaker 3: of other sports. This need listen. In ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: to twenty for the remainder of time, Caitlyn will go
Speaker 3: down as whatever you want to call it, like the change,
Speaker 3: the one who made the change, this pivotal person. She
Speaker 3: will one hundred percent. But in other leagues you never
Speaker 3: it was never like when Lebron came, it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan didn't happen, And for some reason that happened,
Speaker 3: and it caused this whole thing when the reality was
Speaker 3: no player felt the way towards Caitlin. Everybody was very welcoming, inviting,
Speaker 3: and they mistook I think competitive talk right with hate
Speaker 3: with hating on somebody, and there is a thin line
Speaker 3: there by the way, and some people do both and
Speaker 3: some people swing back and forth. But I think the
Speaker 3: majority of WNBA players, with their play, with their talk,
Speaker 3: it was just competition, not hate for a person, and
Speaker 3: it's just sports.
Speaker 1: But we have trouble not being around women in sports,
Speaker 1: so we made it weird. You can only say two
Speaker 1: words in response to this question, who is your Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year pick?
Speaker 2: So far?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get to do my explanation. It's dicey.
Speaker 3: I think, well, can I add wes third word? Currently?
Speaker 3: So I hate doing mid season awards. I think that honestly,
Speaker 3: I felt this way about m v P forever. People
Speaker 3: would say someone was MVP in the first two weeks
Speaker 3: and then in a weird way, it kept them in
Speaker 3: that conversation no matter what they did. So I've never
Speaker 3: been but currently Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1: Okay, spicy, okay, spicy icy, and dicey, I don't know
Speaker 1: you know those double doubles.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty well.
Speaker 3: I know. So that's I say, yeah, race, we'll see
Speaker 3: where where the streets.
Speaker 2: It's a great race.
Speaker 1: I've quoted you so many times talking about the evolution
Speaker 1: of women's sports because you always seem to see the
Speaker 1: bigger picture, even when you were playing in it. That
Speaker 1: includes you were calling out the poison of people poisoning
Speaker 1: the well of women's sports, wasting their time talking to
Speaker 1: smack instead of just watching something else. You demanded more
Speaker 1: advanced statistics for women's basketball and the Players Tribune so
Speaker 1: we can have better conversations and better analysis. What are
Speaker 1: you seeing right now? What do you what is making
Speaker 1: you want to write another Player's Tribune style? Missive Oh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot kind of what we were talking about
Speaker 1: earlier about We'll just use the word nuance.
Speaker 3: I think the life of a male professional athlete is
Speaker 3: so known. It is so known, and a lot of
Speaker 3: times what we're seeing in the current coverage of women's
Speaker 3: basketball is people who are taking that male professional basketball
Speaker 3: player lens because they know it so well, and putting
Speaker 3: it on women's sports and putting on women's basketball. And
Speaker 3: that's that's not our lives our lives are different. I
Speaker 3: think A great example, this isn't necessarily Apple Staples, so
Speaker 3: what I just said, but it's similar. A great example.
Speaker 3: It was the narrative around why in an angel should
Speaker 3: stay in college for nil money? That was an insane
Speaker 3: insane It was properly insane. And I'm really glad that
Speaker 3: not that they left, whether they left or stayed, they
Speaker 3: were going to become professionals at some point anyway. But
Speaker 3: I'm really glad the way it played out because those
Speaker 3: two I don't know their bank accounts, but what I
Speaker 3: say read they're making way more money than they would
Speaker 3: have in college. Nobody ever, nobody ever took in like
Speaker 3: what it meant to be a professional, and nobody ever
Speaker 3: took into account that NIL was marketing. Nil isn't your
Speaker 3: WNBA contract. Yeah that's not.
Speaker 1: You can still have that comparison, Yeah, yeah, all that
Speaker 1: money's going with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that was really frustrating. So I think that's kind
Speaker 3: of what I've seen that people just don't know our lives,
Speaker 3: and in a lot of ways that these young young players,
Speaker 3: they're kind of starting a whole new life of a
Speaker 3: women's basketball player to be professional in this world. You know,
Speaker 3: we all played overseas. Our lives were kind of one way,
Speaker 3: and they're they're starting what is going to be like
Speaker 3: a new pathway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's that other league that like Brandon
Speaker 1: Stewart and Defisa Callier started, So there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities for folks to stick around in the
Speaker 1: off season and all the money and sponsorships and attention,
Speaker 1: which is fantastic. Okay, speed round To close us out,
Speaker 1: who you got Team WNBA this week's All Star Game
Speaker 1: or Team Olympics.
Speaker 3: So I played in this in twenty well, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty Olympics, whatever, and we lost. So I actually
Speaker 3: think that Team USA is going to win this time
Speaker 3: because now it's like it's going to be a lot
Speaker 3: of we don't want to do what happened now, So
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick Team USA. It was a learning
Speaker 3: lesson last time around.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Olympics, how pissed it you are?
Speaker 1: Are you at Diana Tarrossi for getting one more run
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 2: And potentially adding a gold medal that you don't have?
Speaker 3: Well she does, Yeah, she has one up of me,
Speaker 3: isn't she. No, I'm really happy for her, like truly,
Speaker 3: it's I don't. It's funny because I've actually got this
Speaker 3: question a couple of times, and it is interesting. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I still feel pretty good about my five. It's not
Speaker 3: good anymore. No, not like it kind of gets brought
Speaker 3: up in anyway. You're just done. But no, if anyone
Speaker 3: knows how hard it is to play this long at
Speaker 3: this level, it's me. So I have a ton of
Speaker 3: respect in what she's doing, and I'll be there so
Speaker 3: I'll get to watch it.
Speaker 1: How much longer you think she's going to play?
Speaker 3: Gun to my head, this is probably it, but.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It gets tricky when you're older and you're still playing
Speaker 3: at a high level. Listen, you wouldn't want it the
Speaker 3: other way, right, You wouldn't want to be like stinking
Speaker 3: it up or god forbid injury, Like you wouldn't want
Speaker 3: any of that. But it does make the decision. You're
Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, I can still do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think she has an other thing she might want
Speaker 3: to get to you, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: Okay. One of my producers is a former college hooper.
Speaker 1: She's so bummed, she's on a flight right now, and
Speaker 1: she's not getting to meet you, so shout out me.
Speaker 1: Sometime you'll get to meet Sue. But what's the celeb
Speaker 1: you have that fandom for? Who do you most want
Speaker 1: to grab a drinker of me with that? You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you spot them from a fire, and you're like, that
Speaker 1: person seems fun.
Speaker 3: Well, my secret crush is wonder Woman Linda Carter. No
Speaker 3: I actually met her though, Gal good Dot. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say, except I'm like you do
Speaker 3: or good Dot. We're just gonna call her Gal if
Speaker 3: I saw her, yeah, I would be star.
Speaker 2: She's not a secret crush anymore.
Speaker 1: It is now then everybody knows Megan's over here.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have a crush on Gal.
Speaker 1: She's like smoking. Okay, last one. You've got the world
Speaker 1: at your fingertips right now. Pie in the sky dream
Speaker 1: a job, a role, an opportunity and invitation like put
Speaker 1: it out there, manifest that ship, put it out in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: What do you want?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I think the one I'm gonna throw out there. I've
Speaker 3: been throwing this out there quite a bit is when
Speaker 3: the Sonics get back to Seattle. I want to be
Speaker 3: a part of that. I want to be a part
Speaker 3: of that ownership for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love that. I love that. Yeah, and we
Speaker 2: love you. Sue.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for giving us your time. I know
Speaker 1: you're so busy so far. You've been a benevolent dictator
Speaker 1: as a boss.
Speaker 3: Get back to work. You gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2: Thanks Sue. We got to take a quick break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, it's ground and find out Fridays tgif.
Speaker 2: Oh, hey, you're back, guess.
Speaker 1: What it's ground and find out Fridays and we're ready
Speaker 1: to be petty. Yeah. The best way to celebrate a
Speaker 1: big accomplishment and tons of positive affirmations from people is
Speaker 1: to get real negative, real quick, just for like a
Speaker 1: quick second though. We're going to do it because I
Speaker 1: just want to give a shout out to all the
Speaker 1: people who doubted that we could make a show like this.
Speaker 1: You deserve prison, but you won't get time because you
Speaker 1: told us. There wasn't enough info, there weren't enough games,
Speaker 1: there weren't enough watchers. People didn't listen, people didn't care,
Speaker 1: And guess what they do, and so do we. And
Speaker 1: we're having a blast, and so are all of our listeners.
Speaker 1: So if you Randon found out TGIF. Speaking of listeners,
Speaker 1: we love that you're listening, but we want you to
Speaker 1: get in the game every day too, So here's our
Speaker 1: good game play of the day. Obviously, tune into the
Speaker 1: WNBA All Star festivities. We got the Skills Challenge and
Speaker 1: the Three Point Contest tonight six pm Eastern on ESPN,
Speaker 1: and then the WNBA All Star Game is live tomorrow
Speaker 1: eight thirty pm Eastern ABC and the ESPN app, and
Speaker 1: it's also available to live stream with direct TV stream.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that All Star Game, we got some great
Speaker 1: responses to your favorite WNBA.
Speaker 2: All Star moments. Here are two of my faves.
Speaker 1: The first was from coach Marion Washington at my Washington
Speaker 1: thirty one on Twitter, a Women's Basketball Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: head coach for the Kansas Jayhawks women's basketball team from
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three to two thousand and four. You heard
Speaker 1: that right, three decades of coaching. I'm so pumped, she
Speaker 1: wrote us, and I love her answer so much. She said,
Speaker 1: my favorite WNBA All Star moment is today's moment my
Speaker 1: Jayhawk time. Mika Dixon was a three time All Star.
Speaker 1: Her role models were men today the WNBA is full
Speaker 1: of role models for today's pro, college and youth players.
Speaker 2: We love it. Thank you coach for writing in and
Speaker 2: thanks for that moment. I love that too.
Speaker 1: Also at gen Ford one point thirty said Sue's between
Speaker 1: the legs pass to LJ. Yes, you must look this up.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and three All Star Game, Sue Bird length
Speaker 1: of the court breakaway, no look, bounced past backwards between
Speaker 1: her legs to a trailing Lauren Jackson for the layup.
Speaker 2: Absolutely elite.
Speaker 1: Find the highlight And actually, speaking of Lauren Jackson, this
Speaker 1: is kind of incredible.
Speaker 2: So we just talked to Sup Berd. She's clearly very
Speaker 2: happy in retirement.
Speaker 1: But we got to give a shout out to Jackson
Speaker 1: because she retired in twenty sixteen and spent five years
Speaker 1: away from the game, but has since returned twice and
Speaker 1: was actually recently confirmed as a member of Team Australia
Speaker 1: for the upcoming Paris Olympics. At age forty three, she'll
Speaker 1: become the oldest basketball player in Olympic his street when
Speaker 1: she steps on the court in Paris.
Speaker 2: By the way, I love that.
Speaker 1: People my age are constantly being called miracles, just absolute miracles,
Speaker 1: just for standing up every day, which, honestly, when I
Speaker 1: stand up out of my chair every day, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like I should get myself a pat on the back.
Speaker 2: Congrats to Lauren Jackson.
Speaker 1: Keep those answers to our questions coming, and I'm still
Speaker 1: kind of debating what we're going to call you folks.
Speaker 1: Some listeners have submitted some ideas, the Goodies, the gg's,
Speaker 1: the ADT's which stands for about damn times, the squad.
Speaker 1: I've got some ideas too. I was thinking, since our
Speaker 1: show is named in honor of the postgame handshakes, maybe
Speaker 1: y'all are the high fives or just the fives?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: Fives? Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, the butt slaps, the butt taps,
Speaker 1: or maybe, like another time honored game tradition, the orange
Speaker 1: slices you remember those at halftime, y'all could be my slices.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. It sounds cute. It sounds like,
Speaker 2: what's up slices? You're a little slice. I don't know,
Speaker 2: am I weird? Tell me Let me know. I kind
Speaker 2: of like that one.
Speaker 1: Let's keep brainstorming, though, it feels like maybe we should
Speaker 1: keep brainstorming, so keep them coming. Hit us up on
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