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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we just

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Speaker 1: bought a gallon of sunscreen and three portable fans in

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Speaker 1: preparation for WNBA.

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Speaker 2: All Star weekend in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, we're going to talk all things hoops

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Speaker 1: and the joys of retirement with four time WNBA champ

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Speaker 1: and five time Olympic gold medalist Sue Byrd. But first,

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Speaker 1: here's what you need to know.

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Speaker 2: Today. It's All Star Friday.

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Speaker 1: The skills competition and the three point contest are today

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Speaker 1: the big news. No Sabrina Ynescu or Kitlin Clark in

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Speaker 1: the three point contest. Now, multiple outlets reported that the

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Speaker 1: WNBA invited both of them, but they declined. Sabrina of

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Speaker 1: course getting ready for the Olympics, and Kaitlin Clark has

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Speaker 1: been playing basketball pretty much every day since well really

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Speaker 1: since she was born, but especially all season long for

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Speaker 1: college straight into the WNBA. So I guess I understand

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Speaker 1: needing a break, but this is so disappointing, especially after

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Speaker 1: we saw what Sabrina did in the men's All Star

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Speaker 1: competition with Steph Curry. I want to see her come

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Speaker 1: back and try to beat her own record from the

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Speaker 1: women's three point line, and I really wanted to see

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark do what she does best. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: would love for them to create a second three point

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Speaker 1: just get a Caitlin Clark logo threes competing against herself?

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Speaker 2: Three point contest? Augh, I'm just very disappointed. I get it,

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Speaker 2: I get it, they need some rest. It's up to them.

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Speaker 2: They don't owe us anything.

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Speaker 1: And yet that was a huge opportunity for both the

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Speaker 2: So I'm really bummed we're not going to get to

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Speaker 1: We are going to get some great three point competitors though,

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Speaker 1: the Liberties jhon Qwell Jones taken on the Washington Mystic

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Dolson, who is a center. Yes, that's right, a

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Speaker 1: center in the three point contest and as a former

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Speaker 1: She also used to be a proud Chicago Sky member.

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Speaker 1: Dolson actually currently the WNBA leader in three point field

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Speaker 1: They'll be shooting against the Minnesota Links. Kayla McBride, Atlanta Dreams,

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Speaker 1: Alicia Gray and the get Sons. Marina Maybury also super

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Speaker 1: pumped for the Skills Challenge because we got Britney Griner

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Speaker 1: representing her home team, the Phoenix Mercury, and she's going

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Speaker 1: to compete against a bunch of guards including her Mercury

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Speaker 2: And then the twenty.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen WNBA All Star MVP Erica Wheeler of the Indiana Fever.

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Speaker 1: So overall bummed about Sabrina and CC, but lots of

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Speaker 1: fun tonight in the skills competition and the three point contest.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, we got the All Star Game, Team USA

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Speaker 1: versus Team WNBA, and it's the Battle of the Cheryls.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Reeve, head coach of the Minnesota Lynx, who is

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Speaker 1: also serving as head coach of the US Olympic team,

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Speaker 1: is going to lead Team USA in the All Star Game,

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Speaker 1: taking on Team WNBA and their head coach.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl Miller.

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Speaker 1: Miller, a women's basketball pioneer, also was the Mercury's first

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Speaker 1: ever head coach back in nineteen ninety seven. Pumped for

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Speaker 1: the Battle of the Cheryls. I hope they're both miked

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Speaker 1: up too. There could be some good trash talk in

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Speaker 1: that one. The Phoenix Mercury unveiled their new practice facility

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, fifty eight thousand square foot performance center. The

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Speaker 1: organization said it cost one hundred million dollars to build

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Speaker 1: and it includes everything from a full kitchen with a

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Speaker 1: dedicated to Diana Tarassi. Tarassi has played her entire twenty

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Speaker 1: practice facilities have become a massive selling point during WNBA

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Speaker 1: free agency. In the last year, both the Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: Aces and the Seattle Storm built brand new dedicated practice centers,

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Speaker 1: and those facilities have clearly had a big influence in

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Speaker 1: attracting some of the league's biggest names. While the Olympic

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Speaker 1: Girlies are away, the Club Girlies will play. That's right,

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Speaker 1: there's still soccer to watch, not just Olympic soccer. NWSL

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Speaker 1: times Leaga MX Feminil Summer Cup kicks off today. It's

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Speaker 1: NWSL of the US and League MXFEMINIL of Mexico. Tonight's

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Speaker 1: Sportsnet and Paramount Plus. Then Tigras UANL versus Pachuca at

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Speaker 1: Athletes Unlimited Lacrosse started last night. If you're not familiar,

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Speaker 1: AU Lacrosse is a four week fifty six player league

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Speaker 1: held in Sparks, Maryland, with twenty four games scheduled through

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Speaker 1: the August eleventh Grand Finale. It's a short form, fast

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Speaker 1: paced format with ten minute quarters, ten v ten gameplay,

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Speaker 1: a sixty second shot clock, and it's all housed on

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Speaker 1: uses a special scoring system that sort of rewards individual

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Speaker 1: players as well as teams, so every player can lose

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Speaker 1: or win points during every game. Athletes score points as

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Speaker 1: individuals and as a team to go on to an

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Speaker 1: MVP titles and get cash bonuses. Each week, players and

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Speaker 1: fans get a chance to vote for their MVP, and

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Speaker 1: then the top four players become new captains. Each week

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Speaker 1: draft their teams from scratch for the next week's games.

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Speaker 1: It's a little confusing at first, but then it becomes

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Speaker 1: such a cool way to root for players and see

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Speaker 1: different matchups in different team dynamics.

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Speaker 2: So just watch it for a bit and you'll get

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Speaker 1: You can go to auprosports dot com slash lacrosse to

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Speaker 1: check out the schedules and TV times. We are hurtling

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Speaker 1: the Olympic break, but we got to put the brakes

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Speaker 1: the first half of the WNBA season to bed without

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Speaker 1: first acknowledging yet another milestone for Kaitlin Clark. The Indiana

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Speaker 1: Fever rookie broke the WNBA single game assist record on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, recording nineteen assists in the team's loss to

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Wings. This amazing accomplishment brings us to a

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Speaker 1: great yes and moment.

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Speaker 2: Yes and.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Kaitlin Clark's dimes are a wonder and the league

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Speaker 1: has seen some pretty good passers in the past two

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Speaker 1: the woman Caitlyn passed in the record books, the Liberty's

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Speaker 1: Courtney Vanderslute. Now Slute had the record with eighteen assists

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Speaker 1: she's also tied for third most assists in a game

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Speaker 1: with sixteen, alongside current players Alyssa Thomas of Connecticut and

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Speaker 1: the Sacramento Monarchs Rip Monarchs, Google them Pennachero sixteen and

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Speaker 1: ninety eight was the rookie single game record before Caitlyn's

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Speaker 1: also now set the Fevers single season franchise assist record.

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Speaker 1: She's got two hundred and two in twenty six games

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Speaker 1: with plenty more games to go. So yes, Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 2: Her job is basketball. At least it was.

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Speaker 1: It's Sue Berd aka Barbie the Legend drops by to

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Speaker 2: Reality TV and more joining us.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got one of the greatest players in WNBA history,

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Speaker 2: Seat, because it's gonna take a while.

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Speaker 1: She's a four time WNBA champ, a thirteen time WNBA

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Speaker 1: already well into securing an equally powerful legacy in media,

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Speaker 1: team ownership and business. She has broken her nose exactly

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Speaker 1: the same number of times she's one Olympic gold. It's

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Speaker 1: super bird unless you've broken your nose more recently when

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Speaker 1: I broke my nose in field hockey in high school,

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Speaker 1: I should have just I should have gotten that fixed.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's actually it's my I have a deviated

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Speaker 3: septum like a lot of people. Yeah, it's the breeding issues.

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Speaker 3: It's less vanity, more breathing. I might just claim five

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Speaker 1: I might claim a deviated septum order to fix it.

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Speaker 1: No one's gonna know no, So I have to start

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Speaker 1: with something really important, which is, I think you're kind

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Speaker 1: of my boss now, because you're the chief strategy officer

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Speaker 1: for Deep Blue Sports Entertainment, which is one half of

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Speaker 2: I'm just a plead.

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Speaker 1: I'm just the talent here, and I'm trying to figure out, like,

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Speaker 3: Good question. I've never been a boss before, so we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I'm definitely nobody's boss. Even when I

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Speaker 2: That's no fun.

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Speaker 1: You're not firing anybody, that's for sure. That's still absolutely

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Speaker 1: can keep tabs of what you're doing. You're sitting court

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Speaker 1: side at Seattle Storm Games, You're attending Gotham f C Games.

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Speaker 1: You're a co owner over there. You're launching new content

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Speaker 1: for Together and a touch more new deals with Box.

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Speaker 1: You co produced a documentary, So let's pause there. Power

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Speaker 1: of the Dream. It's streaming now in prime video. It's

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Speaker 1: this incredible look at the true power of the WNBA

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Speaker 1: off the court at a moment in time that really

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Speaker 3: Obviously it's in the middle of a pandemic. It's also

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Speaker 3: stand for social justice. We wanted to have black live

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Speaker 3: It's like a touch more which is me and Megan's

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Speaker 1: No, it's gonna turn into fantasy. It's gonna turn Remember

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Speaker 2: I never literally watched it with my dad. I don't

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Speaker 2: What's your face on Love is Blind? No? No, it's

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Speaker 3: me like feel better in my body throughout the day.

435
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: But I've learned that it doesn't have to be tiller.

436
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 3: I think for a while, it took me a minute

437
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: to shed this. I don't know this like, it's not

438
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: an obsession. It was more just will be the right word,

439
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: maybe like a need. I needed the workout to be hard.

440
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: I needed to feel like I did it and I

441
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: accomplished something for this larger goal that was like being

442
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 3: ready for games or whatever I'm gonna call it. So

443
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: I definitely let go of that. Finally it took a minute.

444
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 3: So now I can you know, if I go for

445
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 3: a thirty minute walk, cool?

446
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah if I do?

447
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go do I don't know, a boxing class, great?

448
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: And then yeah if you want to do a hard

449
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: one every now and then when there when the mood strikes,

450
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 3: which it doesn't strike off, great, But if I take

451
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 3: a couple of days off in a row, I'm also

452
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 3: not being myself up. Yeah for me, part of that

453
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: identity thing I was talking about earlier was I did.

454
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 3: I did kind of embody this aging athlete who was

455
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 3: still at the top of her game, and that for

456
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 3: I was the oldest player in the WNBA for like

457
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 3: five or six years, so it was just like it

458
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: was constant in my head too, though everybody reminded me, like, oh,

459
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: super the oldest player of the w She's a miracle exactly,

460
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 3: and I think I like really digested that, and so

461
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: for a while there it took me a minute to

462
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: like let go of that. But yeah, I've gotten to

463
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 3: a good place where I basically, you know, I work

464
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: out enough where I can even drink whatever I want.

465
00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: Is really what we're talking you know.

466
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was like me right after track, when

467
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: I stopped competing, I like couldn't go to yoga.

468
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this even I'm not pouring sweat,

469
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: I like.

470
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: And of course later I come to realize how good

471
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: it is and beneficial and I really enjoy it, but

472
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm gonna run to yoga and then

473
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: run home from it, and then I'll get a good

474
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Speaker 1: five miles in.

475
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Speaker 2: In addition to the class.

476
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: For those who haven't heard it, it's just one of

477
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: my favorite stories tell the story of showing up to

478
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: camp and having a chat with your youngest teammate about

479
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: the age of her mother.

480
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: Oh god. So yeah. This was I think twenty twenty one,

481
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: so I wasn't even in my retirement year yet. So

482
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 3: Kicky Herbert Harrigan, she had come from South Carolina. She

483
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: was in our camp and we were just chatting and

484
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: she was like, hey, my mom's in Seattle, Like, would

485
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: it be cool if you, you know, like meet her

486
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 3: after the game or meet her, you know, take a

487
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: picture of whatever.

488
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, cool.

489
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: So anyways, in that conversation, it's somehow comes up where

490
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: I think maybe Kiki was like, oh, you guys have

491
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: the same birthday and I was like, oh nice, like

492
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: October sixty who And I was like, oh what, Like

493
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: I don't even remember if I asked. I think I did.

494
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, what year she bore She's like, oh,

495
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty.

496
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm sorry, Well, I'm like me

497
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 4: and your mom are the exact same age. I was like,

498
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 4: what does this mean for my life right now?

499
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was at first, Yeah, it got a lass, Yeah,

500
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: but I knew it. I knew I was getting I

501
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: knew I was getting to that age where I was

502
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: having teammates on my team. And I even said this.

503
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: I was like, I have teammates on my team that

504
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 3: I really could be their mother, and not in like

505
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 3: some accidental.

506
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, not like in high school like I planned this.

507
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, like, I want to start my family.

508
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you knew it. I'm delusional.

509
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: And when I became an owner of the Red Stars,

510
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, I'm like the players kind

511
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: of not their parents. And then the same thing happened.

512
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: One of them was like, oh my god, it's your birthday.

513
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: Today's my mom's birthday.

514
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: And my husband was like, probably the same haha.

515
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh, she's born in seventy nine.

516
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, just got her by a year. Yes,

517
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: but still what the I.

518
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: Thought, No, I know you're reminding me, you're taking me back.

519
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is going to hit for you.

520
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: I'm going on a limb here. I remember I had

521
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: like a big blow to my life when I realized

522
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 3: I was older than all the people in real world.

523
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: For the youngsters the real world, No, I think it

524
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: still exists, right, now they just have like challenges.

525
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: All the time.

526
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: Instead of you know, gaunt, let's stop faking and start

527
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: getting real or whatever they did.

528
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: People stop and start getting.

529
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: Okay, back to the basketball. So you really like made

530
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: the WNBA what it is today. You and many many

531
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: others are such a huge part of why these current

532
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: athletes are getting unprecedented levels of coverage and endorsements and

533
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: support and love. What percentage of you, be honest, is

534
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 1: proud and happy for them, and what percentage of you

535
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: is jealous that you retired right before all of this.

536
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: I'm in a pretty good place about it. I'll say,

537
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: like I'll say, like I was gonna say ninety ten,

538
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: then I was gonna say eighty twenty, So we'll go

539
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: eighty five. We split the difference eighty five fifteen. I mean,

540
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: of course, there's a part of me that wishes I

541
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: could play, but simultaneously, I don't wish I could play

542
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: at forties three, Like if I was twenty three, Uh,

543
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: forget it. I would love to be able to go

544
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: back in time and be a twenty three year old

545
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: right now. Absolutely. I actually said that recently to someone

546
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: who was like I was like, dang, I was born

547
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: too soon, and they were like, yeah, but you could

548
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 3: have been born earlier and it would be even worse.

549
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, good point. Yeah, so yeah,

550
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: of course I think someone will be lying if they

551
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: said they wouldn't want to go back, like any WNBA

552
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: player who is now retired and play right now. It's

553
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: everything we always fought for or always wanted. We always

554
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: knew that. The one thing I know, I always said

555
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: throughout my career. It's like at times we will be like,

556
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: what needs to change in marketing and in business and

557
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: in this and then that, and I'm like, yeah, I

558
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: don't know, But what I do know is the product

559
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 3: on the floor like that has sustained, like that has

560
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: not just sustained, that has gotten better. We've done our part,

561
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: and so it really is wonderful to see like all

562
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: of that payoff, to see the attention come. Like you

563
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, I tried to go as many games as

564
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: I can, whether you know I'm in New York or Seattle,

565
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 3: that's where Megan and I both live now, And it really,

566
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unreal. It's great. I love it. I

567
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: mean every now and then I get annoyed at the

568
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: narratives and all those things of that.

569
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Like, how do you explain the hysteria that we

570
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: saw in the beginning of the season, particularly around rookies

571
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, Like the coverage was insane,

572
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: but also it was hysterical and unhinged.

573
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just it was a lot. It really

574
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: was a lot of new eyeballs that, you know, the

575
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: college players brought with them, which I still don't understand

576
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: how that happened because I always said this, where do

577
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: you think all the W ANDB players came from? Like

578
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: we all came from college. I don't get it, like

579
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: we all, you know, but Kaylin and Angel I mean, listen,

580
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: you can talk about a lot of college players, but

581
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: those two in particular, they I don't know what when

582
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: I see the younger generation, I just see people that

583
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: different from when I was coming out of college and

584
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: even pretty much all in my career. They now see

585
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: these business opportunities and they jump at them. They're they're smart,

586
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: they're strategic. We felt lucky just to have a league,

587
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: and they're and they're like seeking things out in a

588
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: different way, which I love to see. But from a

589
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 3: basketball standpoint, I think Caitlin in particular, you know her

590
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: long distance threes. I always said this, we finally got

591
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: the an acdote to dunking. All we heard our entire

592
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 3: existence was you guys are boring. You know dunk Oh,

593
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: maybe you should lower the rims. It would be more exciting.

594
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: And the thing about the long three is it is

595
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: what it is. The distance is the distance. It goes

596
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: in or it doesn't. It's the same for everybody. And

597
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: so in a sense, I think she snapped people out

598
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: of this trance that was very negative towards women's basketball,

599
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: and now she's brought this huge group. What happened then

600
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: was and you don't really see it. You didn't really

601
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: see this, and you don't see this in a lot

602
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: of other sports. This need listen. In ten to fifteen

603
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: to twenty for the remainder of time, Caitlyn will go

604
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 3: down as whatever you want to call it, like the change,

605
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: the one who made the change, this pivotal person. She

606
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: will one hundred percent. But in other leagues you never

607
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: it was never like when Lebron came, it was like, oh,

608
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan didn't happen, And for some reason that happened,

609
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 3: and it caused this whole thing when the reality was

610
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: no player felt the way towards Caitlin. Everybody was very welcoming, inviting,

611
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: and they mistook I think competitive talk right with hate

612
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: with hating on somebody, and there is a thin line

613
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: there by the way, and some people do both and

614
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: some people swing back and forth. But I think the

615
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: majority of WNBA players, with their play, with their talk,

616
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: it was just competition, not hate for a person, and

617
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: it's just sports.

618
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: But we have trouble not being around women in sports,

619
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: so we made it weird. You can only say two

620
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: words in response to this question, who is your Rookie

621
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: of the Year pick?

622
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: So far?

623
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get to do my explanation. It's dicey.

624
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: I think, well, can I add wes third word? Currently?

625
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: So I hate doing mid season awards. I think that honestly,

626
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: I felt this way about m v P forever. People

627
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: would say someone was MVP in the first two weeks

628
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: and then in a weird way, it kept them in

629
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: that conversation no matter what they did. So I've never

630
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: been but currently Caitlin Clark.

631
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: Okay, spicy, okay, spicy icy, and dicey, I don't know

632
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: you know those double doubles.

633
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty well.

634
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: I know. So that's I say, yeah, race, we'll see

635
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: where where the streets.

636
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: It's a great race.

637
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: I've quoted you so many times talking about the evolution

638
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: of women's sports because you always seem to see the

639
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: bigger picture, even when you were playing in it. That

640
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: includes you were calling out the poison of people poisoning

641
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: the well of women's sports, wasting their time talking to

642
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: smack instead of just watching something else. You demanded more

643
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: advanced statistics for women's basketball and the Players Tribune so

644
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: we can have better conversations and better analysis. What are

645
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: you seeing right now? What do you what is making

646
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: you want to write another Player's Tribune style? Missive Oh,

647
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot kind of what we were talking about

648
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: earlier about We'll just use the word nuance.

649
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: I think the life of a male professional athlete is

650
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: so known. It is so known, and a lot of

651
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Speaker 3: times what we're seeing in the current coverage of women's

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Speaker 3: basketball is people who are taking that male professional basketball

653
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Speaker 3: player lens because they know it so well, and putting

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Speaker 3: it on women's sports and putting on women's basketball. And

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Speaker 3: that's that's not our lives our lives are different. I

656
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Speaker 3: think A great example, this isn't necessarily Apple Staples, so

657
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Speaker 3: what I just said, but it's similar. A great example.

658
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Speaker 3: It was the narrative around why in an angel should

659
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Speaker 3: stay in college for nil money? That was an insane

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Speaker 3: insane It was properly insane. And I'm really glad that

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Speaker 3: not that they left, whether they left or stayed, they

662
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Speaker 3: were going to become professionals at some point anyway. But

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Speaker 3: I'm really glad the way it played out because those

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Speaker 3: two I don't know their bank accounts, but what I

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Speaker 3: say read they're making way more money than they would

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Speaker 3: have in college. Nobody ever, nobody ever took in like

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Speaker 3: what it meant to be a professional, and nobody ever

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Speaker 3: took into account that NIL was marketing. Nil isn't your

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Speaker 3: WNBA contract. Yeah that's not.

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Speaker 1: You can still have that comparison, Yeah, yeah, all that

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Speaker 1: money's going with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So that was really frustrating. So I think that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what I've seen that people just don't know our lives,

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Speaker 3: and in a lot of ways that these young young players,

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Speaker 3: they're kind of starting a whole new life of a

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Speaker 3: women's basketball player to be professional in this world. You know,

678
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Speaker 3: we all played overseas. Our lives were kind of one way,

679
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Speaker 3: and they're they're starting what is going to be like

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Speaker 3: a new pathway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's that other league that like Brandon

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Speaker 1: Stewart and Defisa Callier started, So there's gonna be a

683
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Speaker 1: lot of opportunities for folks to stick around in the

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Speaker 1: off season and all the money and sponsorships and attention,

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Speaker 1: which is fantastic. Okay, speed round To close us out,

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Speaker 1: who you got Team WNBA this week's All Star Game

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Speaker 1: or Team Olympics.

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Speaker 3: So I played in this in twenty well, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty Olympics, whatever, and we lost. So I actually

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Speaker 3: think that Team USA is going to win this time

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Speaker 3: because now it's like it's going to be a lot

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Speaker 3: of we don't want to do what happened now, So

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Speaker 3: I'm going to pick Team USA. It was a learning

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Speaker 3: lesson last time around.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Olympics, how pissed it you are?

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Speaker 1: Are you at Diana Tarrossi for getting one more run

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Speaker 1: at it.

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Speaker 2: And potentially adding a gold medal that you don't have?

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Speaker 3: Well she does, Yeah, she has one up of me,

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Speaker 3: isn't she. No, I'm really happy for her, like truly,

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Speaker 3: it's I don't. It's funny because I've actually got this

702
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Speaker 3: question a couple of times, and it is interesting. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I still feel pretty good about my five. It's not

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Speaker 3: good anymore. No, not like it kind of gets brought

705
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Speaker 3: up in anyway. You're just done. But no, if anyone

706
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Speaker 3: knows how hard it is to play this long at

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Speaker 3: this level, it's me. So I have a ton of

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Speaker 3: respect in what she's doing, and I'll be there so

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Speaker 3: I'll get to watch it.

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Speaker 1: How much longer you think she's going to play?

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Speaker 3: Gun to my head, this is probably it, but.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It gets tricky when you're older and you're still playing

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Speaker 3: at a high level. Listen, you wouldn't want it the

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Speaker 3: other way, right, You wouldn't want to be like stinking

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Speaker 3: it up or god forbid injury, Like you wouldn't want

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Speaker 3: any of that. But it does make the decision. You're

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Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, I can still do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think she has an other thing she might want

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Speaker 3: to get to you, so we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Okay. One of my producers is a former college hooper.

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Speaker 1: She's so bummed, she's on a flight right now, and

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Speaker 1: she's not getting to meet you, so shout out me.

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Speaker 1: Sometime you'll get to meet Sue. But what's the celeb

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Speaker 1: you have that fandom for? Who do you most want

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Speaker 1: to grab a drinker of me with that? You're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you spot them from a fire, and you're like, that

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Speaker 1: person seems fun.

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Speaker 3: Well, my secret crush is wonder Woman Linda Carter. No

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Speaker 3: I actually met her though, Gal good Dot. Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to say, except I'm like you do

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Speaker 3: or good Dot. We're just gonna call her Gal if

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Speaker 3: I saw her, yeah, I would be star.

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Speaker 2: She's not a secret crush anymore.

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Speaker 1: It is now then everybody knows Megan's over here.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't have a crush on Gal.

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Speaker 1: She's like smoking. Okay, last one. You've got the world

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Speaker 1: at your fingertips right now. Pie in the sky dream

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Speaker 1: a job, a role, an opportunity and invitation like put

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Speaker 1: it out there, manifest that ship, put it out in

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 2: What do you want?

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Speaker 3: God?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I think the one I'm gonna throw out there. I've

747
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Speaker 3: been throwing this out there quite a bit is when

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Speaker 3: the Sonics get back to Seattle. I want to be

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Speaker 3: a part of that. I want to be a part

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Speaker 3: of that ownership for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love that. I love that. Yeah, and we

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Speaker 2: love you. Sue.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for giving us your time. I know

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Speaker 1: you're so busy so far. You've been a benevolent dictator

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Speaker 1: as a boss.

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Speaker 3: Get back to work. You gotta get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Sue. We got to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, it's ground and find out Fridays tgif.

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Speaker 2: Oh, hey, you're back, guess.

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Speaker 1: What it's ground and find out Fridays and we're ready

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00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: to be petty. Yeah. The best way to celebrate a

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00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: big accomplishment and tons of positive affirmations from people is

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Speaker 1: to get real negative, real quick, just for like a

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Speaker 1: quick second though. We're going to do it because I

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Speaker 1: just want to give a shout out to all the

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Speaker 1: people who doubted that we could make a show like this.

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00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: You deserve prison, but you won't get time because you

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00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: told us. There wasn't enough info, there weren't enough games,

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Speaker 1: there weren't enough watchers. People didn't listen, people didn't care,

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Speaker 1: And guess what they do, and so do we. And

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Speaker 1: we're having a blast, and so are all of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: So if you Randon found out TGIF. Speaking of listeners,

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Speaker 1: we love that you're listening, but we want you to

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00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: get in the game every day too, So here's our

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00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: good game play of the day. Obviously, tune into the

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Speaker 1: WNBA All Star festivities. We got the Skills Challenge and

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Speaker 1: the Three Point Contest tonight six pm Eastern on ESPN,

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Speaker 1: and then the WNBA All Star Game is live tomorrow

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Speaker 1: eight thirty pm Eastern ABC and the ESPN app, and

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00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: it's also available to live stream with direct TV stream.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that All Star Game, we got some great

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Speaker 1: responses to your favorite WNBA.

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Speaker 2: All Star moments. Here are two of my faves.

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Speaker 1: The first was from coach Marion Washington at my Washington

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Speaker 1: thirty one on Twitter, a Women's Basketball Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: head coach for the Kansas Jayhawks women's basketball team from

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three to two thousand and four. You heard

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Speaker 1: that right, three decades of coaching. I'm so pumped, she

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Speaker 1: wrote us, and I love her answer so much. She said,

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Speaker 1: my favorite WNBA All Star moment is today's moment my

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Speaker 1: Jayhawk time. Mika Dixon was a three time All Star.

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Speaker 1: Her role models were men today the WNBA is full

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Speaker 1: of role models for today's pro, college and youth players.

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Speaker 2: We love it. Thank you coach for writing in and

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Speaker 2: thanks for that moment. I love that too.

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Speaker 1: Also at gen Ford one point thirty said Sue's between

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Speaker 1: the legs pass to LJ. Yes, you must look this up.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and three All Star Game, Sue Bird length

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Speaker 1: of the court breakaway, no look, bounced past backwards between

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Speaker 1: her legs to a trailing Lauren Jackson for the layup.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely elite.

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Speaker 1: Find the highlight And actually, speaking of Lauren Jackson, this

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Speaker 1: is kind of incredible.

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Speaker 2: So we just talked to Sup Berd. She's clearly very

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Speaker 2: happy in retirement.

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Speaker 1: But we got to give a shout out to Jackson

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Speaker 1: because she retired in twenty sixteen and spent five years

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00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: away from the game, but has since returned twice and

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Speaker 1: was actually recently confirmed as a member of Team Australia

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Speaker 1: for the upcoming Paris Olympics. At age forty three, she'll

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Speaker 1: become the oldest basketball player in Olympic his street when

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Speaker 1: she steps on the court in Paris.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I love that.

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Speaker 1: People my age are constantly being called miracles, just absolute miracles,

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Speaker 1: just for standing up every day, which, honestly, when I

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00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: stand up out of my chair every day, I feel.

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Speaker 2: Like I should get myself a pat on the back.

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Speaker 2: Congrats to Lauren Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Keep those answers to our questions coming, and I'm still

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Speaker 1: kind of debating what we're going to call you folks.

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Speaker 1: Some listeners have submitted some ideas, the Goodies, the gg's,

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Speaker 1: the ADT's which stands for about damn times, the squad.

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Speaker 1: I've got some ideas too. I was thinking, since our

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Speaker 1: show is named in honor of the postgame handshakes, maybe

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Speaker 1: y'all are the high fives or just the fives?

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Fives? Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, the butt slaps, the butt taps,

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Speaker 1: or maybe, like another time honored game tradition, the orange

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Speaker 1: slices you remember those at halftime, y'all could be my slices.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. It sounds cute. It sounds like,

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Speaker 2: what's up slices? You're a little slice. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: am I weird? Tell me Let me know. I kind

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Speaker 2: of like that one.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep brainstorming, though, it feels like maybe we should

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Speaker 1: keep brainstorming, so keep them coming. Hit us up on

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Speaker 1: our email Good Game at wondermedianetwork dot com or on

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Speaker 1: social at Sarah Spain on Twitter, or you can even

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Speaker 1: the show. Eight seven two two o four fifty seventy

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