WEBVTT - What the Media Got Wrong About Hunter Biden 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.560 Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.000 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:09.400 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.719 Welcome home to the Native landing on the podcast space. 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.640 That's a for greatness. Sixteen minutes. It's so hit not 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.800 too long for the great ship, high level combo politics 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.479 in a way that you could taste it then digest it. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.680 Politics touches you even if you. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:24.279 Don't touch it. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.000 So get invested across the t's and doctor Odds kill 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.400 them back to get them staying on business with ride. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.280 You could have been anywhere, but you trust us. 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Why does it feel like forever since I've 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:53.720 seen y'all? 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.440 Geez, because we had the nerve to record a podcast 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:57.400 earlier last week. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.120 That's what happened. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.200 I means you too, maybecause out of the country, I 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:01.560 don't know. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.600 Oh yeah, that's true. It's true thing, it's a vibe. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:10.119 We'll get into that, yes, absolutely well, speaking of hearing more, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.960 we want to make sure that you all continue to 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.960 rate and review our show. We always like to hear 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.000 from our listeners. We like to hear what we're getting right, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:19.800 when we're getting wrong, which you don't like, what you 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.440 do like, we might not change it, but we still 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.280 want to know. So make sure that you are tuning in, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.640 that you're asking a friend or five or eleven to 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:28.600 also tune in and. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:29.680 To rate and review the show. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.800 So on today's episode, we want to first start off 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.440 with Hunter Biden. As you all know, Hunter Biden was 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.720 convicted of three felony charges related to unlawful possession of 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.720 a firearm. But today on this episode, we're going to 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.760 focus on something a little bit different. It is the 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.960 criminalization of addiction and how we as a country respond 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.720 to addiction. Should it be criminalized at all? Should this 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.000 case have ever seen the light of day in a courtroom. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.600 We got things to say about that have something to 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.320 do with him being a Biden. It might have something 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.440 to do with him being high profile, and it might 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.760 also have something to do with somebody nam Leo Wise 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.720 more on that. Tiffany, I know that you are just 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.600 returning from an amazing trip. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.160 I am, and I'm so excited to talk about it. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.920 And I have to say I am learning from you 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.960 guys as we talk about these things because I've been 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.480 completely out of American politics for a week and it 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:26.959 has been good to my spirits. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.400 We understand that for sure. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.240 Yeah, we understand that even when we don't get to 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:34.919 go overseas, sometimes we need a break. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:35.280 Yeah. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.880 And on that, folks are asking, you know, if the 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.520 system is there for us, if it's here to protect us, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.960 if it's ever served us. We're going to talk about that, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.200 and if we should be trying to get dual citizenship 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.080 with Tiff to get the hell out of Dodge. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.680 So we'll talk about that as well. 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.519 And then Andrew, I know that you are following what's 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.720 happening with the Supreme Court closely, so you got some 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.000 things you want to talk about with that. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.360 Of course, as you know, it is the month of June, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.399 which could only mean two things. One, if you're Alito 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.799 or his wife, that you're only about a month away 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:13.040 from being back at your insurrection. Is sympathizing Beach House, 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.600 and if you're any one of the rest of the 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.919 American people, you probably want to know what's coming at 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.760 jolt speed from the Supreme Court on a range of decisions. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:23.839 Will dive into that too. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.840 Oh my goodness, Well here we go. We're gonna get 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.560 into that. And the last thing that we're going to 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.440 cover today is I didn't know. I don't know if 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.360 y'all knew, But politics aren't just everywhere. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.080 Did you know racism was too? It's a thing not 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.200 everywhere all over the world. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.360 Did this happen while I was out of the country? When? 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:43.960 When did this. 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:45.960 Happened while you were away? 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:46.200 That? 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:46.920 While you were away? 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.640 Hev I can you imagine? 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.559 So we're going to talk about this case involving Vnicius 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.920 Junior's racial abusers in Spain and how they were penalized. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.119 If we think that was significant. I don't know how, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.640 but somehow today it feels like a very heavy legal episode. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.480 So we go to make sure that it's clear. Then 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.080 we understand it. TIF our news bureau chief is making 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.960 me also correct the record on some things, but we'll 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.920 get into that a little later. And of course you 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.400 all know it's not Native Lampi without some cause to action, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:14.960 So we'll do. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:15.480 All of that. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.159 We are so excited to be with y'all. Y'all today, 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:19.919 Welcome home. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.520 Welcome home. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.719 While there has been much testimony about the defendant's abuse 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.680 of drugs and alcohol, ultimately this case was not just 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:37.080 about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the United States, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:42.400 including Hunter Biden's family. This case was about the illegal 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.760 choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:47.560 His choice to lie. 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.279 On a government form when he bought a gun, and 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.919 the choice to then possess that gun. No one in 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.960 this country is above the law. Everyone must be accountable 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:03.279 for their actions even this to however, Hunter Biden should 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:08.040 be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:09.520 this same conduct. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:15.600 So Hunter Biden is slated to be sentenced. The judgeays 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.200 within one hundred and twenty days of the verdict. I 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.400 think what's fascinating here is what he didn't say. I'm 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.720 gonna tell y'all what he didn't say. They spent your 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:31.200 taxpayer dollars because Hunter Biden put on a form that 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.880 he did not abuse drugs in order to obtain a 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.880 weapon that he never used. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.040 That he never shot. That is what this case is about. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.400 That he had in his position for eleven days. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.080 He never used the gun, however he had. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.720 I think you must have that wrong, Angelo, because Republicans, 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.279 are you trying to say that they care about gun control. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:58.039 I'm ima, no, they care about controlling a narrative. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.479 But but what we do need to tell talk about 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.120 here is the fact that your taxpayer dollars paid for 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.200 this case over what he marks on a form. And 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.080 I'm just saying, if we get to a place where 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.320 this it's it's interesting because I never thought, tiff and 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:19.400 Andrew that I would be arguing that there's partisanship in 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.159 the application of the law. I normally have sat in 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.320 the in the seat of just like we know, it's 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:25.840 not equally. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:26.360 Applied to us. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:31.280 But it is fascinating how much attention has been paid 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.120 to this Hunter Biden case when just remember Alvin Bragg 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.160 just closed his case against Donald. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.560 Trump just days before this. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.760 And I mean, if there couldn't be more of a 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:46.440 start contrast anyway, full. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.920 Range, they're not, They're not in the same category. I mean, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.880 even to co locate what happened and and and Bragg's 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:58.119 prosecution of Trump versus what would occurred here? They're they're 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.400 not in Every day of the week, the Southern District 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:08.039 of New York's prosecutors are engaged in some form of 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:15.800 record records cases where misinformation, disinformation, false information has been put, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.800 which is the lane in which Donald Trump is in. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:23.080 Never before and the statutory history of the federal system, 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.000 has a case been bought single handedly on the issue 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.760 of lying on an application for a weapon. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:28.560 Right. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:33.320 Never, right, It just didn't exist before. Now they have 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:38.240 existed as co locating that crime with other crimes that 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.120 then ramp up to a more significant offense, but not 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.160 stand alone by itself. I think all of us can 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:51.040 be honest and concluding that never, ever, ever, would this 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.640 case have been brought had Hunter Biden been Hunter Bow Junior, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:03.400 Slovakian or Gillum Maybell. Hell, I've already endured that. But 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.600 but depending upon the man's last name, really did really did, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:14.360 I think measure the kind of unmitigated quote unquote justice 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.120 that was brought to his doorstep. And I have to 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.160 tell you, I share with you all over tech yesterday 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.720 how triggering this was for me, because you know, watching 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:29.320 not only the addiction side, of the Ledger, but also, 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.760 you know, just being a person of sort of political 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:37.000 note where you feel like the whole thing just happens 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.840 to be crashing down on you, not because of an 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.240 action you've taken, as it relates to where the law 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.720 is or isn't, but because of actions you've probably taken 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.800 or how you stood outside of anything to do with 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.920 the laws that are being used to prosecute you. In 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.080 my case, I felt like it was, you know, had 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.839 much more to do with my own political ambitions and 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.720 aspirational heights than anything certainly not to do with the 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.559 facts of the matter. And I've seen it played out 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.720 so many times in my own state, and I think 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.880 just around the country with black lawmakers. In Hunter's case, 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:17.520 though he's not even a lawmaker, he's never held public office. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.880 He happens to be the son of the President of 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.679 the United States previously the vice president of the United States. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.160 And I got to say, had Joe Biden chosen not 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.160 to run for reelection, I'm not sure that this would 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.439 have ever seen the light of day. Aside from the 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.320 fact that he shouldn't have seen the light of day anyway, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:35.440 It just. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:41.600 It would have because this department of Justice under this 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:46.719 Attorney General did not stop Trump era related political prosecutions. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:47.480 He just didn't. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.679 This didn't begin under this administration. This began under the 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.880 last one. We have to start acknowledging what happened. TIF 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:54.959 You've been trying to. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.360 Okay, I'm listening and catching up. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.160 But I take your point, Angela about the DLJ and 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.760 Attorney General Merrick Garland's failures. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.000 I think we all agree there. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.440 Andrew. I think you raise a good point. This is 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:13.880 all politics and weaponizing the justice system, the same thing 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.719 the GOP has been falsely claiming. I think this is 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:17.960 a more clear example of that. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:18.959 But I think the. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.160 Bigger issue here I should say bigger issue, but an 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.679 equally big issue is pointing out the hypocrisy with the Republicans. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.040 And I'll start with gun control. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.000 There have been one hundred and twenty four mass shootings 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.640 in the first four months of this year alone. Andrew 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.760 Florida leads in that number. And that's according to the 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.920 Gun Violence Archives, and they describe a mass shooting as 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.920 a shooting where someone where four or more people have 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.000 been shot. So the fact that Republicans are quick to 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:51.040 come out and shoot away any policy that impacts gun control, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.000 but they are so hell bent and laser focused on 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.840 Hunter Biden operating a gun while he may have been 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.320 using substances. The other hipocracy is In twenty sixteen, Donald Trump, 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.439 when he was elected president, declared the opioid crisis an 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.080 emergency and was talking and you saw droves of white 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.440 people saying how their families had been impacted by drug addictions, 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.440 specifically the opioid crisis. All that empathy went away when 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.559 it came to Hunter Biden. I saw Donald Trump talking 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.439 the family, saying, We're going to fight for you, We're 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.120 going to protect you. We understand the opioid crisis. This 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.720 isn't a partisan issue. This is something that happens to 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.480 impact a lot of people. We didn't see such empathy 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.920 under Republican administrations during the crack epidemic, under the Reagan administration. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.000 Under the Bush administration, he in fact pursued a harsh, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.080 punishing criminal justice system when it came to black people 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.960 using drugs. There are now more than three hundred thousand 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:54.400 people in prison because of drug addictions crimes they committed 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.160 while under the influence. That's according to Pew Trust. In 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.120 nineteen eighty it was less than twenty five thousand, and 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.479 so I think if this is the game the Republicans 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.320 want to play, then we ought to use this at 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.680 a chance to highlight that the First Step Act needs 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.839 a second, and a third and a fourth instead of 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.440 centering you know, Hunter Biden. I'm not gonna lie though. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.640 I was reading some of the things about Hunter Biden, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:23.560 even when Biden ran during the campaign, and he was 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.120 a wild dude. You know, I don't think he deserves 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.199 to be prosecuted for this. He had an addiction, But 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.160 the the more salacious yellow journalism part of this, I 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.240 have to say I was reading some of the things 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.720 that he participated in was just shock, but also empathy. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.360 All of us on your screens have had family members. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.280 I grew up in a home with addiction, so I 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.480 have mostly empathy for the Biden family and what they're 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:51.960 going through. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.400 I appreciate you saying that to if you know we 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.440 are posters. Now, we started our polling company last week. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:04.439 What's the name of our podcast, Native Land post. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:06.200 I like it. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:07.959 N l P. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:11.719 Maybe just n l P. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:13.520 N l P. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.760 That's cute. Okay, so we're going to do a little poll. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.160 Tiffany already asked our first question or has answered it 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.079 for us, which is we do all have family members 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.440 who have been addicted to some substance at some point. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.880 My next question is, has your family member who was 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.400 addicted to anything ever lied to you about set addiction? 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.439 There's yes. Has the family member ever done something that 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.120 brought shame or distribute to the family because of set addiction? 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:44.760 Yes? 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.480 Yes, for me too, Tiff is nodding yes. So I 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:50.120 think that. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.120 What it feels really out of touch is and why 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.599 I think black folks and people who come from marginalized 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.640 communities needs to need to sit in prosecutorial seats is 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:06.440 because they write these statement of facts, these indictments, so 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:11.000 that you almost it sounds so salacious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.640 but it's clear that they don't have any connection to 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.880 what they are talking about. So, for example, Hunter Biden 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.840 being convicted for lying on an application, the question on 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:26.200 the application was do you use any illegal substances or 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:30.160 have you ever been addicted? In that moment, Hunter Biden 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:34.520 argues and maintains that he was not using. So an 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.480 addict is generally in denial about their addiction. And also 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.320 if he was not using at the time and was 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.960 not addicted in his from that state of mind at 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:45.320 the time. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.080 How can you That's subjective. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.720 It's a highly subjective standard, a highly subjective answer. But 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.720 I want to get beyond this to this part of 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.360 this piece. I want to know because we talked about 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.120 pardons last week, that was a part of our post. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.840 So continuing on here, how will you see Joe Biden 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.000 if he chooses not to pardon his son for this? 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.520 Well, he's already said he isn't, so he. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.400 Said that, but he says he says things sometimes and 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.560 then changes his mind. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:15.600 Every human being does. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.160 If he chooses not to pardon Hunter Biden, what is this? 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.840 What does this do to his standing, to how people 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:22.960 see him? What do you all think? 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.040 I think he's being a purist there. I would not 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.560 be mad if he pardoned his son. I think the 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.640 challenge with the Democratic Party at times is look at 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.240 how upstanding we can be, and you know we don't 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.800 act like the Republican Party, And who are you winning 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.520 with that? If I were the president and my son 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.680 were in this situation, of course I would pardon him. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.200 I would not sacrifice my son for a political stunt 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:50.920 by the Republican Party. Just in the false hope to 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.360 gain Nikki Haley voters. You know, it's like, if you 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.240 know this was a you think Donald Trump is not, 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.040 would not get in office and abuse that office. He 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.720 put Jared Kushner in charge of the Middle East. He 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.200 made Jared Kushner the secretary of all the things, and 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:07.600 he didn't care how that looked. 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.040 So I wouldn't be mad if Joe Biden. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.240 Has paid off for him, right, I mean, the exact 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:13.920 region of the world that he put him in charge 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.200 of he walked right back into when they left the 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.640 White House and walked away with the several tens hundreds 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.120 of millions of dollars deal that they're not profiting from today. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.040 I would just say, on the Biden piece, I'm not 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.480 convinced that it's a stunt for him. I think that 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.880 he is. I think he's a traditionalist. I think he 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.720 thinks of himself and probably very realistically, thinks of himself 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:44.920 in the mold of an upstanding and write individual. And 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.480 if just if the justice process has had its way, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.520 which in this case, there were twelve jurors sat they deliberated, 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.120 even though one of them came out yesterday and said 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.360 I don't even believe that this should have ever become 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.400 a case in the first place. The first vote that 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.399 the jurors took when they went back to to UH 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.200 begin the the deliberations process six set he was guilty 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.000 and six set he wasn't. And when they returned the 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.880 next day to continue deliberations, that number began to collapse 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.000 as they then applied the evidence of the case UH 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.960 to UH the instructions given to the jury by the judge. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.600 So I think this was a really complicated thing for 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.760 a lot of people. I will say Angela and Tiffany, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.560 this this statute in and of itself, to me seems 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.880 a little bit dubious because, first of all, if any 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.719 any any person who is an active who is an 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:45.679 active addict addiction but may not have yet gotten the help, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.359 began to seek the help, has not entered treatment, they're 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:54.040 not one readily readily in awareness that they are an addict. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.040 And two, the truth is, the saying amongst addiction is 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.000 is once an addict, always an addict. So if you've 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.879 been clean for thirty years, yes, but yet you have 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.920 in your life experienced addiction. The truth of the matter 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.639 is is you're you're an addict until you die. And 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.040 so at what point could somebody have answered yes to 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.280 that as a as a person who has won at 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.000 one point admitted being an addiction, an active addiction, could 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.439 they have been right on this side of the question. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.560 And that's why I think the statute in it of 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.399 it self deserves, you know, us pulling back the layers 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.320 and seeing whether or not this really ought to be, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.119 you know, a law by which people are you know 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.560 that that is prosecutable. But in Joe, Joe Biden's case, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.400 I don't think he's acting. I think he believes these things, 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.360 and I think he is experiencing probably a very very 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.760 deep level of hurt and pain, having lost one son 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.879 already in bo and then now his other son, who 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.240 who he has experienced various levels of loss through addiction. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.800 The fact that he flew to see him before he 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.240 had for the G seven summit, you know, just to 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.920 hug him on the tarmac and say I love you, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.119 I'm with you. It's probably the most honest effort he 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.160 is making to make sure that his son doesn't fall 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.000 back into an active addiction as a result of what's 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.399 happening here. So my heart goes out to him. My 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.359 heart goes out to the whole family, And really, this 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.679 whole process sucks, and I think the Attorney General sucks. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.439 And I think his his willingness to appoint all these 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.840 special prosecutors who were Trump area era appointees as if 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.159 they're going to have some obeyance to the law is ludicrous. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.840 I just think I just think we suffer from dangers. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.120 Ask He's like at the tip of the I just. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:40.880 Want to be clear. 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.040 So are you saying that Joe Biden might not pardon 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.439 his son because he thinks that's the best course of 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:47.560 action for his son? 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:48.840 And do you think he should. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.440 I think he thinks because of their relationship. I think 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.240 because he said he would surrender judgment onto the jury 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.639 to the process, it's going to have to work its 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.719 way ou out through the legal process, which means an 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.840 appeal and appeal at the appellate level to see what 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:09.439 happens there and so on. I don't think he ought to. 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.680 I think a president who can come behind him should 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.879 pardon him. This should never have been prosecuted in the 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.280 first place. I just think the conflict of interest for 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:21.520 him is too great. It is for himself for him 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.280 to enter into this process and say I'm going to 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.680 pardon my son after being found guilty by a jury 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.320 of twelve. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.600 Members of what do you think I didn't I was 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.119 gonna say I didn't answer this, but I want to 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:33.919 be quick because this is gone. I didn't mean for 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.040 us to go this long on this, But I will 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.240 say I think that Joe Biden should absolutely use pardon 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.480 power because this should never should have been prosecuted to 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.720