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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode twenty three of Native Lampid, where we

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Speaker 1: give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture.

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Speaker 2: And today we are, of course your.

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Speaker 1: Hosts, Angela Rae, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillim.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, everybody?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 4: What's up? Why does it feel like forever since I've

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Speaker 4: seen y'all?

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Speaker 1: Geez, because we had the nerve to record a podcast

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Speaker 2: That's what happened.

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Speaker 4: I means you too, maybecause out of the country, I

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's true. It's true thing, it's a vibe.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that, yes, absolutely well, speaking of hearing more,

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Speaker 1: So on today's episode, we want to first start off

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Speaker 1: with Hunter Biden. As you all know, Hunter Biden was

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Speaker 1: convicted of three felony charges related to unlawful possession of

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Speaker 1: a firearm. But today on this episode, we're going to

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Speaker 1: focus on something a little bit different. It is the

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Speaker 1: criminalization of addiction and how we as a country respond

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Speaker 1: to addiction. Should it be criminalized at all? Should this

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Speaker 1: case have ever seen the light of day in a courtroom.

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Speaker 1: We got things to say about that have something to

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Speaker 1: do with him being a Biden. It might have something

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Speaker 1: to do with him being high profile, and it might

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Speaker 1: also have something to do with somebody nam Leo Wise

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Speaker 1: more on that. Tiffany, I know that you are just

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Speaker 1: returning from an amazing trip.

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Speaker 5: I am, and I'm so excited to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: And I have to say I am learning from you

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Speaker 5: guys as we talk about these things because I've been

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Speaker 5: completely out of American politics for a week and it

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Speaker 5: has been good to my spirits.

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Speaker 2: We understand that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we understand that even when we don't get to

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Speaker 1: And on that, folks are asking, you know, if the

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Speaker 1: system is there for us, if it's here to protect us,

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Speaker 1: if it's ever served us. We're going to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: and if we should be trying to get dual citizenship

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that as well.

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Speaker 1: And then Andrew, I know that you are following what's

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Speaker 1: happening with the Supreme Court closely, so you got some

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Speaker 4: Of course, as you know, it is the month of June,

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Speaker 4: which could only mean two things. One, if you're Alito

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Speaker 4: from being back at your insurrection. Is sympathizing Beach House,

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Speaker 4: and if you're any one of the rest of the

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Speaker 4: jolt speed from the Supreme Court on a range of decisions.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Well here we go. We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: Did you know racism was too? It's a thing not

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Speaker 6: Did this happen while I was out of the country? When?

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Speaker 6: When did this.

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Speaker 2: Happened while you were away?

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about this case involving Vnicius

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Speaker 1: Junior's racial abusers in Spain and how they were penalized.

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Speaker 1: So we go to make sure that it's clear. Then

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Speaker 1: we understand it. TIF our news bureau chief is making

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Speaker 2: All of that.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to be with y'all. Y'all today,

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Speaker 1: Welcome home.

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Speaker 4: Welcome home.

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Speaker 8: While there has been much testimony about the defendant's abuse

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Speaker 8: of drugs and alcohol, ultimately this case was not just

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Speaker 8: about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the United States,

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Speaker 8: including Hunter Biden's family. This case was about the illegal

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Speaker 8: choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction.

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Speaker 2: His choice to lie.

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Speaker 8: On a government form when he bought a gun, and

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Speaker 8: the choice to then possess that gun. No one in

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Speaker 8: this country is above the law. Everyone must be accountable

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Speaker 8: for their actions even this to however, Hunter Biden should

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Speaker 1: So Hunter Biden is slated to be sentenced. The judgeays

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Speaker 1: within one hundred and twenty days of the verdict. I

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Speaker 1: think what's fascinating here is what he didn't say. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell y'all what he didn't say. They spent your

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Speaker 1: he did not abuse drugs in order to obtain a

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Speaker 2: That he never shot. That is what this case is about.

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Speaker 4: That he had in his position for eleven days.

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Speaker 1: He never used the gun, however he had.

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Speaker 5: I think you must have that wrong, Angelo, because Republicans,

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Speaker 5: are you trying to say that they care about gun control.

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Speaker 2: I'm ima, no, they care about controlling a narrative.

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Speaker 1: But but what we do need to tell talk about

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Speaker 1: But it is fascinating how much attention has been paid

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Speaker 1: to this Hunter Biden case when just remember Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 1: just closed his case against Donald.

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Speaker 2: Trump just days before this.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, if there couldn't be more of a

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Speaker 4: Range, they're not, They're not in the same category. I mean,

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Speaker 4: even to co locate what happened and and and Bragg's

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Speaker 4: prosecution of Trump versus what would occurred here? They're they're

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Speaker 4: not in Every day of the week, the Southern District

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Speaker 4: record records cases where misinformation, disinformation, false information has been put,

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Speaker 4: which is the lane in which Donald Trump is in.

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Speaker 4: Never before and the statutory history of the federal system,

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Speaker 4: of lying on an application for a weapon.

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Speaker 4: Never, right, It just didn't exist before. Now they have

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Speaker 4: existed as co locating that crime with other crimes that

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Speaker 4: stand alone by itself. I think all of us can

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Speaker 4: be honest and concluding that never, ever, ever, would this

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Speaker 4: case have been brought had Hunter Biden been Hunter Bow Junior,

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Speaker 4: Slovakian or Gillum Maybell. Hell, I've already endured that. But

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Speaker 4: I think measure the kind of unmitigated quote unquote justice

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Speaker 4: And I got to say, had Joe Biden chosen not

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Speaker 1: It would have because this department of Justice under this

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Speaker 2: He just didn't.

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Speaker 1: This didn't begin under this administration. This began under the

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Speaker 1: last one. We have to start acknowledging what happened. TIF

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Speaker 5: But I take your point, Angela about the DLJ and

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Speaker 5: Andrew. I think you raise a good point. This is

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Speaker 5: all politics and weaponizing the justice system, the same thing

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Speaker 5: the GOP has been falsely claiming. I think this is

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Speaker 5: a more clear example of that.

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Speaker 6: But I think the.

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Speaker 5: Bigger issue here I should say bigger issue, but an

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Speaker 5: equally big issue is pointing out the hypocrisy with the Republicans.

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Speaker 6: And I'll start with gun control.

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Speaker 5: There have been one hundred and twenty four mass shootings

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Speaker 5: in the first four months of this year alone. Andrew

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Speaker 5: Florida leads in that number. And that's according to the

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Speaker 5: Gun Violence Archives, and they describe a mass shooting as

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Speaker 5: a shooting where someone where four or more people have

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Speaker 5: Hunter Biden operating a gun while he may have been

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Speaker 5: using substances. The other hipocracy is In twenty sixteen, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: Question that ask about my trip to Africa. Not really,

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Speaker 9: Andrew? I if Angela fans, the question that I have

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Speaker 9: Do y'all have like continual sequence to where like y'all

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Speaker 5: from Treasure Island to the city. And I met so

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Speaker 5: many expats who lived there who decided to leave. Remember

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Speaker 5: we had that luncheon. We went to that luncheon Antiwa

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Speaker 5: at the church.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was hosted by Rosa Whittaker, who is a leg.

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Speaker 5: The legend Rosa Whittaker. At that luncheon, there were so

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Speaker 5: many people who were American and said they came to

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Speaker 5: Ghana and loved it. So I recently, as in like

453
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Speaker 5: hours ago, just got back from Morocco and Col Davoir.

454
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Speaker 5: I was in Abijan, and I had so many thoughts

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Speaker 5: and honestly every day I thought of you guys, because

456
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Speaker 5: I just wanted you all to experience this with me

457
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Speaker 5: and us to be able to talk about it every

458
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Speaker 5: day one the entire point of the trip. It was

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Speaker 5: put together by this gentleman Pierre, and it was made

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Speaker 5: to show economic opportunity on the continent. And again there

461
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Speaker 5: were a lot of people who had come and lived

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Speaker 5: to build there. But the thing that Angela I think

463
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Speaker 5: You'll remember this feeling being in a country that is ours,

464
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Speaker 5: and everywhere you go people look like you. And so

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Speaker 5: if someone is rude to you, which is rare, if

466
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Speaker 5: someone is unkind to you, which is rare, you don't

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Speaker 5: immediately have that feeling.

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Speaker 6: Of oh, okay, I know what this is. I know what

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Speaker 6: it's about.

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Speaker 5: That level of comfort and security is its indescribable. Also,

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Speaker 5: I was intentional about putting myself on a non American

472
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Speaker 5: news diet and talking to the people there. They knew

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Speaker 5: all about American policy, They knew secretaries of state from

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Speaker 5: twenty years ago. They were just intellectual people, well informed people,

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Speaker 5: arguably because what happens here politically impacts their country as well.

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Speaker 5: But they all also were well versed on what happened

477
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Speaker 5: in the UK. They were well versed on what happened

478
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Speaker 5: in numerous countries in Africa. They could speak intellectually on

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Speaker 5: the political system of the Democratic Republic of Congo, in

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Speaker 5: Morocco and Algeria. They knew Middle East politics. It was

481
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Speaker 5: just an intellectually stimulating conversation. But what I took away

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Speaker 5: and the question that I wanted to ask my co

483
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Speaker 5: hosts and we don't have to answer this now, because

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Speaker 5: this maybe more philosophical, is who are we if not

485
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Speaker 5: defined by white people? And I got to meet so

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Speaker 5: many folks there who had a better sense of who

487
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Speaker 5: they were because so many this I'm stealing from Andrew

488
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Speaker 5: Andrew said. We were at my house one night with

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Speaker 5: Latasha and some other people. And Andrew said, we make

490
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Speaker 5: so many decisions every day based on how white people

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Speaker 5: will perceive us, and so it can limit our imagination.

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Speaker 5: And I was sitting there thinking, maybe he does, but

493
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Speaker 5: I don't. But the more I thought about it, almost

494
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Speaker 5: every decision we make is that we think from how

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Speaker 5: we dress, from how we wear our hair, to how

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Speaker 5: we speak, to what we say in public to what

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Speaker 5: we say privately. So I'm curious from you guys when

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Speaker 5: you think about that, who are we if we are

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Speaker 5: free to be? If everything we talk about isn't rooted,

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Speaker 5: and how the system oppresses us and how living here

501
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Speaker 5: impacts our lives. Who would we get to be if

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Speaker 5: we were not interrupted. I don't know if y'all thought

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Speaker 5: about that. This might be a mini pod for another day,

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Speaker 5: but I really thought about.

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Speaker 2: It, right, Okay, so maybe we'll.

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Speaker 6: Save it for a mini pod.

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Speaker 5: I did African ancestry and my ancestry traces back to

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Speaker 5: the Akan people, and so when we were in Ghana,

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Speaker 5: it was just lovely seeing all the symbols of the

510
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Speaker 5: Econ people but his present day Ghana. The Acon people

511
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Speaker 5: were also in Klodesovar, so they arranged for me to

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Speaker 5: go and connect with the a Con people today. I

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Speaker 5: was so it was so amazing. And I know this

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Speaker 5: isn't president, but Angela, I would if you don't mind,

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Speaker 5: would love for you to share your experience. When we

516
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Speaker 5: were in the dungeons, they call them castles, but they

517
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Speaker 5: were really dungeons and I'll mean a castle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah.

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Speaker 1: It is a very emotional experience in the castle dungeons,

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Speaker 1: the slave castle dungeons, which is where our ancestors went

521
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Speaker 1: before they made Uh yes, so they is where our

522
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Speaker 1: ancestors went before they go through the final door and

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Speaker 1: onto the slave ships and are shackled for many days.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, next to somebody they don't know, perhaps next

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Speaker 1: to someone who speaks a language they they don't you know,

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Speaker 1: women who may be pregnant or it's that time of

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Speaker 1: the month, or someone who gets sick like you're laying

529
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Speaker 1: in that for days at a time. The only bath

530
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Speaker 1: you receive is salt water right being thrown on you.

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Speaker 1: And I think even before you make that pilgrimage, that

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Speaker 1: force pilgrimage across the Atlantic Ocean, they were experiencing the

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Speaker 1: very same thing, shackled to people they didn't know in

534
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Speaker 1: the slave castle dungeons, where it's dark, it's muddy, there

535
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Speaker 1: are layers of human excrement now that are It's almost

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Speaker 1: like a clay on the floors of the slave Castle Dungeons. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's deeply spiritual. You can feel the weightiness

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Speaker 1: of the ones that I visited and now I've visited to,

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Speaker 1: But it is it's excruciating to realize that there were

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Speaker 1: people who stayed alive because one day they would hope

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Speaker 1: that we would be here and that we would make

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Speaker 1: something different of ourselves.

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Speaker 2: So Titiff's question, who would we be?

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Speaker 1: We would still be the resilient, strong, innovative, talented, amazing

545
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Speaker 1: beings that we are that we weren't once we're we

546
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Speaker 1: don't know anything else but to be extraordinary human beings.

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Speaker 1: And I think our contribution to society would always be

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Speaker 1: in service. We always talk about the African proverb that

549
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Speaker 1: it takes a village to raise a child that is

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Speaker 1: in our DNA.

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Speaker 2: That is what we know.

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Speaker 1: And so even if it was to make strong leaders,

553
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Speaker 1: that would be our contribution, that we would be strong

554
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Speaker 1: leaders because there were folks who ported in us. So

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to for your share and that you

556
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Speaker 1: were welcomed home on a podcast where we are always

557
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Speaker 1: welcoming folks home for you to have that very spiritual,

558
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Speaker 1: important experience in that pilgrimage where so many of our folks,

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Speaker 1: our ancestors and our present day friends and loved ones,

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Speaker 1: and even folks we don't know, never get to make

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Speaker 1: that trip.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations on doing well.

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Speaker 5: Just really quickly, what I remember when we were silent

564
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Speaker 5: in that dungeon that they called a castle, they invited

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Speaker 5: us to just sit in silence and touch the wall

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Speaker 5: and feel the spirit of the ancestors, and we were weeping.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just overwhelming. And we got out. I

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Speaker 5: asked Angela, what was your prayer? What did you say?

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Speaker 5: And I remember you saying to me, well, the first

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Speaker 5: thing I said was thank you, thank you for going

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Speaker 5: through this, thank you for your sacrifice, thank you for

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Speaker 5: your survival and I remembered those words when I was

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Speaker 5: in Cold d'avoir and so anyway, I missed you guys.

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Speaker 5: I thought about you every day, everything that we talked about.

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Speaker 5: I wish you all could have been at the table.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, and I remember those words that you said,

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Speaker 5: and I thought, Wow, to lead in that moment with

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Speaker 5: gratitude is also very spiritual in who we are.

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Speaker 4: It's beautiful. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Okay, we'll be back after this break.

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Speaker 4: So, y'all, I mentioned the end of the Supreme Court

582
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Speaker 4: term is one thing that the month of June represents

583
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Speaker 4: in early July, and that's because a flurry of decisions,

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Speaker 4: major decisions are expected to be issued in opinions from

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Speaker 4: the Court, and there's a lot we can say about

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Speaker 4: the Court. I know we didn't choose to dive into

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Speaker 4: the comments that were picked up on secret record by Aldo,

588
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Speaker 4: but I wanted to just take a moment to highlight

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Speaker 4: what some of those how do you say, opinions that

590
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Speaker 4: we are still expecting are going to cover. So one

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Speaker 4: decision that we expect an opinion to come pretty quickly

592
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Speaker 4: either here in June or early July, will be on

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Speaker 4: the question of presidential immunity for Donald Trump. And I

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Speaker 4: know we talked about this quite a bit, but it

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Speaker 4: particularly has impact on two of the remaining cases involving

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, and that is the document's case that is

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Speaker 4: being brought down in Florida and also in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: The obstruction case. And the obstruction case not only impacts

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Speaker 4: the president's Donald Trump's implication as it relates to what

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Speaker 4: happened on January sixth, but also hundreds of defendants who

601
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Speaker 4: have already been prosecuted are those who have been awaiting prosecution.

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Speaker 4: Whether certain federal statutes can be applied abortion pill access.

603
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Speaker 4: This court has taken on the case of whether or

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Speaker 4: not abortion pills are legal, whether they can continue to

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Speaker 4: be legislated at the state level, in fact, whether or

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Speaker 4: not there is a federal case to be bought against

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Speaker 4: the availability of the profile active. And then I think,

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Speaker 4: in addition to various gun cases that we might see,

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Speaker 4: the next most major case may be around the question

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Speaker 4: of social media. The ban against social certain social media

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Speaker 4: sites in the First Amendment. Florida, my home state in Texas,

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Speaker 4: currently have laws in place that prohibit large social media

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Speaker 4: companies from removing posts or accounts based on a specific

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Speaker 4: political view. The justices will decide whether or not these

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Speaker 4: laws violate the First Amendment rights of the social media companies.

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Speaker 4: The Court is also going to hear cases around bumpstocks.

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Speaker 4: That's the equipment used to increase the.

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Speaker 2: They heard arguments issue their opinions.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I didn't. I didn't mean to say arguments,

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Speaker 4: rather the opinion we're awaiting on the bump stocks. And

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Speaker 4: then there's some other minor might we consider minu but

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Speaker 4: none of the cases are minor. In fact, I would

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Speaker 4: open that the justices decided to take on cases that

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Speaker 4: were really not necessary to take on just so that

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Speaker 4: they can serve a more activist role in shaping what

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Speaker 4: US public policy, both at the state and the federal

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Speaker 4: level should be. And I guess my question to you

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Speaker 4: all is based off of the bend of this court,

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Speaker 4: what we've been able to see while they've been on

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Speaker 4: the bench, and comments that they have made off the bench.

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Speaker 4: Do you think we're in line for any surprises? I mean,

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Speaker 4: if our default position is is that conservatives are going

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Speaker 4: to be conservatives, and liberal justices will be more liberal

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Speaker 4: or or at least upholders of the law, are there

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Speaker 4: any expected surprises on any one of these cases that

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Speaker 4: you all might have, anything you might see as a

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Speaker 4: deviation from what a conservative court might might ultimately resolve.

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Speaker 2: I sadly do not think that.

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Speaker 1: I think the surprise will be just how far conservative

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Speaker 1: justices are willing to undermine the law for years, even

641
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Speaker 1: when we were in law school and before in con

642
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Speaker 1: law classes in undergrad you learned about a term called

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Speaker 1: a strict constructionist, and those are the folks who you know,

644
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Speaker 1: will uphold the letter of the law, what the constitution?

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Speaker 2: What did the framers intend?

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Speaker 1: And you learn that there are justices like Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 1: who argued that he was a strict constructionist, and John

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Speaker 1: Roberts and others who say that they're strict constructionists and

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Speaker 1: they don't want to veer from what the intention of

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Speaker 1: the founders were. Even if the founders didn't mean to

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Speaker 1: include you, Clarence, they never, you know, they never steer

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Speaker 1: clear from that. However, it turns out that Supreme Court

653
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Speaker 1: opinions and rulings can be bought. Clarence Thomas is a

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Speaker 1: Hochi and has been selling it and dropping it like

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Speaker 1: it's hot on every turn turns out he's yeah, yeah,

656
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: he getting fluid out TIF. It turns out that he's

657
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: not strict about anything but making them dallas dalla, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that is what is really sad, or

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Speaker 1: that he is for sale and we're no longer there's

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Speaker 1: no longer any auction blocks available, but Clearance has managed

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Speaker 1: to find them. That's a word that is so awful,

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Speaker 1: but it is what I really feel today, uncensored, just

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Speaker 1: completely raw and frustrated by what I anticipate will be

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Speaker 1: some devastating blows by this Supreme Court, and they have

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Speaker 1: just continued to be this way. I think I would

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Speaker 1: use this moment to Andrew a point of personal privilege

667
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Speaker 1: to say, if y'all don't get y'all asses out to vote,

668
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: like the Supreme Court is a clear reason why y'all

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Speaker 1: asses need to vote. Y'all are mad at this administration

670
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Speaker 1: because they've done some things you don't agree with, I understand,

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Speaker 1: But what I don't want is the Supreme Court that's

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Speaker 1: going to continue to issue ruling after ruling after ruling

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Speaker 1: that will undermine everything our folks have fought for and

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Speaker 1: that we continue to fight for. So please get y'all

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Speaker 1: asses out to vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done that.

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Speaker 5: I think people also have to remember that there will

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Speaker 5: be justices Elvi vote for retirement. Alito has already intimated

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Speaker 5: that he would not please.

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Speaker 6: We will hope, we hope.

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Speaker 5: But I think they hold on because, as you know,

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court appointments are for a lifetime. Most justices of

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Speaker 5: appointments are for a lifetime. There are some jurisdictions where

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Speaker 5: you can get elected. We've talked about that. I think

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Speaker 5: we did a mini pod on that. I think Andrew

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Speaker 5: to your question about what we see surprises, you know,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I think when it comes to some

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Speaker 5: of these partisan issues, I think we won't.

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Speaker 6: Justice.

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Speaker 5: Chief Justice Roberts has surprised us a few times on

691
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Speaker 5: a few of his dissenting opinions from the more conservative

692
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Speaker 5: leaning justices. But there are other cases that are not

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Speaker 5: so split down the line. One is homelessness. That they

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Speaker 5: will be issuing an opinion on whether homeless people can

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Speaker 5: sleep outside when shelter is not available. This is just humanity.

696
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: And again, I think so much of our media centers

697
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 5: Trump and what's Trump related, and what's salacious and what's hot,

698
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Speaker 5: and but it's when you think about some of these issues.

699
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Speaker 5: Homelessness that is a pretty big deal. This case originated

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Speaker 5: in San Francisco, but when you think about homelessness in

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Speaker 5: Los Angeles, for Mayor Karen bass is trying her best

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Speaker 5: to deal with that, homelessness in Washington, D C. And

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00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 5: Philadelphia and New York and all these municipalities that are

704
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Speaker 5: dealing with this, that's a pretty big deal. So we

705
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 5: should be watching that. The other is the Sackler family.

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Speaker 5: This we talked about opioid usage. They will decide if

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Speaker 5: they can basically offer the Sackler family a shield from

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Speaker 5: that big settlement. Yes, and listen, the Sackler family. I

709
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Speaker 5: cannot think of a bigger drug dealer aside from the

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Speaker 5: US government.

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Speaker 4: They what is that movie? Can we think of the

712
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Speaker 4: name of this?

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Speaker 5: There are several There are several documentaries, There are several

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Speaker 5: scripted series, but the Sackler If it were up to me,

715
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Speaker 5: the Sacklers would have to be given a small amount

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Speaker 5: of heroin every day for the rest of their life.

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Speaker 5: Watch them get addicted, watch them go through withdrawal. Uh,

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Speaker 5: and then let's see how well just say no works

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Speaker 5: out for you. So those are the two cases that

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Speaker 5: I'm really curious about also the air pollution case where

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Speaker 5: very Republican leaning constituents and companies that control, like steel companies,

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Speaker 5: they want to sideline EPA regulations, regulations from the Enviire

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Speaker 5: Protectional Environmental Protection Agency. They want to basically say like, yeah,

724
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Speaker 5: just hold off and let us continue polluting. Now, you

725
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 5: know who disproportionately lives in areas that are heavily polluted.

726
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Speaker 5: They look like us. It's a lot of Latino people,

727
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Speaker 5: but also a lot of impoverished white people live in

728
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Speaker 5: these areas who will be impacted. And we don't want

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Speaker 5: anybody impacted by those things.

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Speaker 6: So I hope you will pay.

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Speaker 4: You think so, maybe out of luck ause they yeah,

732
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Speaker 4: only because they pay for so many damn Clarence. These

733
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Speaker 4: corporations have you know, treated this man to.

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Speaker 6: Can we please cut that Clarence Thomas clip?

735
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Speaker 5: Because I want to share that eighteen times when Angela

736
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Speaker 5: said there's no auction block Clarence Thomas, I want to

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Speaker 5: share that on all my social mediaciucci.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we can share it, and and in the meantime

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Speaker 1: we can also move right along.

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Speaker 2: You guys know, I was so scared about this.

741
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Speaker 1: I'm more worried about the presidential immunity case than anything else.

742
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Speaker 1: I just think that that has taking us straight to

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Speaker 1: Kim joungkun, and I'm stealing that. So the last here

744
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Speaker 1: we are so before the country is no more, We're

745
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Speaker 1: going to take.

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Speaker 2: One more brother.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Some of you all have been following a case that

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Speaker 1: was new to my radar. I like basketball a lot,

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Speaker 1: I don't follow soccer as much. But there's a case

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Speaker 1: involving Vnicius Junior and some fans, some fans who were

752
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: shouting racist slurs at him in twenty twenty three. They

753
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: were recently sentenced to eight months in prison and a

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Speaker 1: two year ban from all professional soccer stadiums in Spain,

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Speaker 1: and I just was fascinated about the fact that people

756
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Speaker 1: often don't realize that racism goes far beyond the borders

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Speaker 1: of the United States of America and it is very,

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Speaker 1: very prevalent in soccer. Vnicius had a response on Twitter

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Speaker 1: where he said, sorry, I didn't pull up Oh I

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Speaker 1: can't read that.

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Speaker 2: We got to translate that. Hold on read it, Andrews.

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Speaker 4: It says many asked me to ignore it. Many others

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Speaker 4: said that my fight was in vain and that I

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Speaker 4: should just quote play football. But as I've always said,

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Speaker 4: I'm not a victim of racism. I am a tormentor

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Speaker 4: of racist criminal say what your chest always said, I'm

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Speaker 4: not a victim of racism. I am a tormentor of

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Speaker 4: racist The first criminal conviction in the history of Spain

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Speaker 4: is not for me. It's for all black people.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, wait a minute, pause real quick, because this

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Speaker 1: is why I just wanted to tell my bureau chief

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Speaker 1: I had this right.

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Speaker 2: Basically, black lives matter.

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Speaker 4: This, this is this is the real right. Keep going,

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Speaker 4: just to repeat, the first criminal history of Spain is

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Speaker 4: not for me, It is for all black people. May

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Speaker 4: other racists be afraid, ashamed and hide in the shadows.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise I'll be here to collect period. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: La La Linga and Real. Yeah, thank you to LaLiga

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Speaker 4: and Real Madrid for helping with this historic conviction. More

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Speaker 4: to come.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm so glad that y'all pulled the translation for this.

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Speaker 2: This was so amazing, yo.

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Speaker 1: He said, you guys, can we get t shirts to

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Speaker 1: say or tormentors or paces?

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Speaker 6: I love it?

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Speaker 2: That is so good.

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Speaker 4: That's bad.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 1: He said, it's for all black people. You know, Nicius,

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Speaker 1: I need to meet you now. I'm gonna go get

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Speaker 1: a Vanissius jersey. I'm about to watch a Vanissia's game.

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Speaker 6: I'm here, I'm watching soccer.

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Speaker 2: Vanius is my Kaylyn.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, we gotta get jerseys, y'all. We gotta get jerseys.

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Speaker 2: We definitely are we wearing order.

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Speaker 4: But we're gonna find these jerseys.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we need to sell out Vani's jersey. We're

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Speaker 1: about to get love that.

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Speaker 2: You guys really good.

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Speaker 5: I think people the fact that you know some people.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a victim of right, I'm a tourment oriented

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Speaker 5: But there are some less informed folks who think it

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00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: was the Mayflower that travel to America and that was

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Speaker 5: it and as the story of slavery. But there were

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Speaker 5: slave ships that transported the enslaved everywhere. America became a

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Speaker 5: superpower because of the slave labor, so too did the UK.

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Speaker 5: The biggest Somebody fact checked me, but I'm ninety nine

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Speaker 5: percent sure the biggest slave port was Brazil. I think

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Speaker 5: they got the most number of Africans, right, they got

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Speaker 5: more black people anywhere else in the world. Absolutely the

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Speaker 5: Caribbean and the sugar cane right exactly. The difference though,

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Speaker 5: I think between us and I'll say the UK because France, England,

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Speaker 5: all these folks benefit from slave labor, but they shipped

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Speaker 5: their enslaved off. And the unique thing about America is

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00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 5: the abuse and rape of black women. And so we

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Speaker 5: still live alongside the descendants of the folks who did this.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if you remember when we were

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Speaker 5: in Ghana, a lot of people that was kind of

821
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Speaker 5: the the consistent question, like it's so strange you guys

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Speaker 5: choose to live there alongside your impressors and you could

823
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Speaker 5: come home. You have all this space to come home

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00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 5: and cold davoir that was a big thing. Look at

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00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 5: the investment opportunity here, your money goes further. There's real

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Speaker 5: estate for you. It's a completely different system. And we're

827
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Speaker 5: looking at y'all like, man, y'all were kidnapped, come back home.

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Speaker 5: So that's a full circle moment that the soccer player

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Speaker 5: gave us. We are bookending this show with the first

830
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Speaker 5: viewer question, there's a lot of homes for us, and

831
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Speaker 5: shout out, what's the player's name?

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Speaker 1: Angela Vinicius Junior hed I got our jerseys can come

833
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: as fast as tomorrow. So we are hey, Rock and

834
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Speaker 1: these Vansias jerseys next week. You guys text me your

835
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: addresses so I get it right after the show. But

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Speaker 1: our chat afterward, and I know we were we were

837
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Speaker 1: lamenting some Supreme Court rulings that we're expecting. We're celebrating

838
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: a victory in Vnissius Junior's case. But there's also one

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Speaker 1: little footnote that we need to add from the prosecutor.

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Speaker 11: Let's roll that clipnik Prosecutors Susanta hisb responded to the

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Speaker 11: verdict outside the courthouse.

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Speaker 7: Lacent people should know that this type of act is punishable.

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Speaker 7: It is punishable as a hate crime because the sentence

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Speaker 7: is for moral integrity with the aggravating factor of hate.

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Speaker 7: And it is also very important that one of the

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00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 7: factors taken into account for the suspension of the execution

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00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 7: of the sentence is the fact of repentance and a

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00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 7: letter of public apology, as well as the fact of

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Speaker 7: not going near not only the stadium, but also stadiums

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Speaker 7: where official matches are held.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to roll there because the sentence was

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Speaker 1: mitigated by the fact that they can write letters of apology.

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Speaker 1: So I just think it's you know, important to note.

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Speaker 1: I am a Christian.

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Speaker 4: I believe that people can restoration.

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Speaker 1: I believe in restorative justice models have since I to

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Speaker 1: be a tormentary racist.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes if you do the crime, you got

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Speaker 2: to do the time.

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Speaker 4: That's the one time that And what a death sentence

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Speaker 4: if you're one of these avid.

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Speaker 2: And did you say you want the death sentence?

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Speaker 4: No, I said, what a death sentence for anyone who's

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Speaker 4: one of these avid followers of soccer football? Soccer in

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Speaker 4: many of these countries where I mean soccer is king

866
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Speaker 4: to be banned from ever seeing one of these matches live,

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Speaker 4: these professional matches live again, or even as a prosecutor said,

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Speaker 4: even being.

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Speaker 2: Near eight years is only two years.

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Speaker 4: All I'm saying is two years of a death sentence

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Speaker 4: for We may not understand the significance of what that is,

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Speaker 4: but in Florida, for instance, we probably have the next

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Speaker 4: largest culture around I think sort of soccer fandom in

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Speaker 4: the US as as as probably anywhere else in the country.

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Speaker 4: I just it's it's it's more than a notion be

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Speaker 4: banned from one of these stadiums, any one of these

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00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 4: games that you might otherwise have access to. So I

878
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: do believe that the punishment is fitting the crime.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just jump in here to calls to action

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00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: and let me get I need to get in uniform.

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Speaker 6: We had a wardrobe change. Oh wait, I'm putting all

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Speaker 6: my glasses. No, no, no, you don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I mean we just want to be in solidarity.

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Speaker 1: So here, I don't need I don't need solidarity right now.

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00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: This is my solo walk of shame. I'm here to

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00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: apologize to the viewers and the listeners of Native lamppod.

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00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Last week we recorded a podcast early. How dare we?

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00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: How dare we record a podcast early? And there be

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00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: information that comes out later in the week that corrects

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00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: the record for us. And so last week we spent

891
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot of time advocating for a man named Corey

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Speaker 1: harris In who's involved in the justice system in Michigan.

893
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Speaker 1: Our news bureau chief, Tiffany Cross has told me that

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Speaker 1: I need to come on to let everyone know that

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Speaker 1: I misspoke. It doesn't matter if I misspoke because a

896
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Speaker 1: woman with the same name as me said one thing

897
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Speaker 1: one day and said something different four days doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: She said that I should have checked my sources better.

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Speaker 6: I did not say yes.

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Speaker 2: She did. Yes, she did. Don't listen to her. Don't

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00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 2: listen her. Just because she says it with a smile

902
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I will.

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Speaker 6: Said no.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to say what you said. I

905
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: want to say what you said myself. It's more dramatic.

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Speaker 1: So she said that I need to make sure that

907
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Speaker 1: she said, I thought when you said you checked you

908
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: looked into this, that you checked your sources.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: I write several articles on this as improv It.

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00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: Was kimp R, it was Detroit News, it was USA Today,

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00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: it was everywhere. This woman issued the same statement. It

913
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: came from the Michigan Secretary of State's office. The communications

914
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: director named angel Sectary. I'm in the middle of my repentant.

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00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: This woman's name now, I gotta tell my glass love.

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Speaker 1: I say, Bananda. Her name is Angela Benander. This woman

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Speaker 1: said that Harris was appearing for driving with a suspended license.

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Speaker 1: She says, she's the director of Communications and meteor Relations

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Speaker 1: for the Secretary of State. She said, because this was

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Speaker 1: no longer legal to withhole driving privileges for those kinds

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Speaker 1: of violations, that meant there were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who had those suspensions who were eligible to be reinstated.

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Speaker 1: She goes on to say that for several thousand drivers,

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Speaker 1: additional steps were required for them to have their licenses reinstated,

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Speaker 1: and those drivers were notified with letters at their mailing addresses. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: she says, in some cases it was fines and fees

927
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Speaker 1: that needed to be resolved. In some cases they needed

928
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Speaker 1: to retake their written drivers exams or road tests to

929
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Speaker 1: be able to get their licenses back.

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Speaker 2: Furthermore, she said that.

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Speaker 1: Corey Harris would have had to acquire a form from

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Speaker 1: the Saganaw County Friend of the Court and submitted to

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of State's office because quote, it's not something

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00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: that we would have that we would receive automatically from

935
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: the court. Now, she went back because the judge said

936
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Speaker 1: he never had a license, and Angela had to my

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00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: earphones is, let me just talk this off. We got

938
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Speaker 1: all the way down with my repents when my earphone

939
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: starts like, Angela had to come back and say, actually,

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Speaker 1: we checked again. The database indicates that our friend Corey

941
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: did not in fact have a license. However, our news

942
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Speaker 1: bureau chief also wanted me to let you all know

943
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: that what we said we stand tintos down in what

944
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: we said, that sometimes our folks are penalized wrongfully, that

945
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: we are overly fined, that we are overly incarcerated, that

946
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Speaker 1: we are overly suspended, we are overly booted, we are

947
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: overly everything, as you all know, disproportionately booted. Now here's

948
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Speaker 1: the thing that also still matters, the call to action.

949
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Speaker 1: And today my call to action comes from a very

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00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: special guest.

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Speaker 11: That's Roll, Hey, Angela, Tip, and Andrew. This is Michigan

952
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 11: Lieutenant Governor Garland Gilchris. First off, I want to thank

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00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 11: you all for covering this case and the video that's

954
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Speaker 11: gone viral with Corey Harris and the barriers he faced

955
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Speaker 11: with his license. What was meant to be funny is

956
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Speaker 11: actually bring intention to a greater issue. In Michigan. We

957
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 11: had a system for a very long time that is

958
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Speaker 11: either suspended or taken away people's drivers' licenses because they

959
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 11: couldn't afford to pay fines or fees, or because they

960
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 11: were behind on their child support, or any number of

961
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Speaker 11: financial reasons that have nothing to do a hot day drive. Well,

962
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 11: in twenty nineteen, I let a task for us on

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00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 11: jail reform to fix that and some other issues. And

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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty, we passed new laws in Michigan, creating,

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Speaker 11: among other things, a program called Road to Restoration that

966
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Speaker 11: provides support and different services for people to get their

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00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 11: licenses back. Now, this video is really a call to action.

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Speaker 11: It's actually a Road to Restoration clinic happening in my

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00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 11: hometown of Detroit on June eighteenth for people who are

970
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 11: listening to this podcast and either need help themselves or

971
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 11: you know somebody who needs help to get their license restored.

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Speaker 11: So you can go to Michigan dot gov slash road

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Speaker 11: to Restoration in order to find out information and to

974
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Speaker 11: sign up. You can register by June sixteenth for an appointment,

975
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Speaker 11: or you can walk in.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, y'all, awesome.

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00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: I love that.

978
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 1: Kudos forgetting permission to get off of my walk of shame.

979
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 6: Now take it off.

980
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 5: But let me say I need to respond. So one second, lord, okay.

981
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: So much? Why do you have glasses ready to go?

982
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 6: Because I be ready. You gotta stay ready, see gotta

983
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 6: get ready.

984
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 4: Interested.

985
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 6: What is what I was saying.

986
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 5: Is when Angela said she looked into the case, I

987
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 5: was saying, like you didn't call them personally. You were

988
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 5: going off what this woman said in an article. So

989
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 5: I was saying to protect yourself, like according to the

990
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 5: Washington Posts, not that you were like making calls to people,

991
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 5: because when people were like texting me like y'all got

992
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 5: this wrong, and I'm like, no, then somebody gave Angela misinformation.

993
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 5: So I was just saying for all of us, like,

994
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 5: it's like, no, according to this person's reporting, this is

995
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 5: what they're saying. I'm not hanging my name on it

996
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 5: because I don't know, but this person said that. I

997
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 5: just wanted to correct it because Angela act like I

998
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 5: called her this morning it was like this, and I was.

999
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost lost my job and I just reported

1000
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: on what ten other outlets said and had to fix

1001
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: some of them.

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 5: I'll give y'all a little behind the scenes. We have

1003
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 5: a research assistant, Lolo. Shout out to Lolo, who does

1004
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 5: research for us, and I am just paranoid from work

1005
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 5: the newsrooms forever, Like Lolo works hard to put together

1006
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 5: this very nice research package for all of us, and

1007
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 5: I always I because I'm always and they I know,

1008
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Speaker 5: I frustrate my co hosts because I'm like, well, no,

1009
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 5: let me see for myself, or let me look at

1010
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 5: this myself, let me who was the source? Where do

1011
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 5: we get this from? So I can be a bit

1012
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 5: of a newsroom purist. So my apologies to my co host,

1013
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 5: but that's why, just because they can get things wrong.

1014
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 5: And I also thought that this a lot of the

1015
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 5: outlets that reported this, it can be a little bit

1016
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 5: of lazy journalism because it's like, y'all have a whole

1017
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 5: newsroom at your disposal, like submit a foia, get the records,

1018
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 5: like look at it. Just how we talked about on

1019
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: the broadcast news when they were just playing the clip

1020
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 5: and ha ha hi, everybody laughed and we moved on.

1021
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 6: So that's all I was saying.

1022
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 5: But I just want y'all to know that was super

1023
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 5: dope that Angela was like, let me get a response

1024
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 5: from the highest level of government, because that's the kind

1025
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 5: of thing that happens here at Native Land Pod. So

1026
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 5: if you're down with NLP, holla back and say you

1027
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 5: know me, you know that was so.

1028
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: Odesop Lieutenant Governor for this program, uh l G guil Chris,

1029
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: we expect great things from you, not just now but

1030
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: in the future.

1031
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 6: Brother hands right, can I ask a quick question.

1032
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 5: Do y'all think Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, will

1033
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 5: ascend beyond that role because it's been talked about forever?

1034
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1035
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 6: Yes, Okay, we're at time.

1036
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: Don't y'all have cause to action? Or is that I

1037
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: got a call to action? My do you want to

1038
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: take your sunglasses off?

1039
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 4: For you?

1040
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 10: I don't give.

1041
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: It's giving and.

1042
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 5: I see my reflection. I like the way it looks,

1043
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 5: so I'm just gonna keep them on.

1044
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 4: Okayious, it's that sun bathed and gold.

1045
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 5: I will feel better if y'all put on y'all sunglasses,

1046
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 5: But that's fine. My call to action is this when

1047
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 5: I was out of the country and not on an

1048
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 5: American news diet, and I it's rare that I feel

1049
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 5: like the most informed person or the least informed person.

1050
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 5: I usually feel like, oh, okay, I'm learning, I'm informing

1051
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 5: and learning. Here I felt like I was doing nothing

1052
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 5: but learning, and so it made me think. I read

1053
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 5: a lot, not just newspaperstyle. I'd love to read books.

1054
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 5: And I've read a lot on American history, on what

1055
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 5: happens here in this country. And I remember, like ten

1056
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 5: years ago, I read a book on the Armenian Genocide.

1057
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 5: I had never heard of such a thing. I didn't

1058
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 5: even know this big thing in history had happened. And

1059
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 5: so spending the last few days with people who were

1060
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 5: so well read, who had all this information, and they,

1061
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 5: you know, not only knew about American history, but they

1062
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 5: had read books on global history and different things that

1063
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 5: had happened on the continent in the UK, you know,

1064
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 5: in Asia. And I just thought, I want to start

1065
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 5: reading more historical books on things that happened outside of America,

1066
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 5: just with a more global lens, you know, like the

1067
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 5: rise you know, the dynamics in the Middle East, or

1068
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 5: the rise of Saudi Arabia, or you know, the the

1069
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 5: history on Lamumba, like all these things that are fascinating,

1070
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 5: and so I'm doing this. So my call the action

1071
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 5: is to ask other people to do this. Please drop

1072
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 5: me your books that you're reading. If you have read

1073
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: a book that you find something interesting or it was

1074
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: something that you learned that happened outside the United States,

1075
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 5: please loot me in your book club because I would

1076
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 5: like to start reading some of these books, and I'd

1077
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 5: like us to discuss it, even if it's just on Instagram.

1078
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 5: So how aback at your girl nice.

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: And finally, my CTA is is that this group here

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: at Native Land recorded a special episode that is dropping

1081
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 4: this Friday of our minipod series, which is different because

1082
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: normally our minipods drop on Monday, but because Father's Day

1083
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 4: is coming up this Sunday, we wanted to take out

1084
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: some time in a special way acknowledge our dad's the

1085
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 4: role of fathers, and as a part of that, we

1086
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: make an invitation for you also to share your experiences,

1087
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 4: those moments, for pieces of advice that you receive from

1088
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 4: your own fathers or father figures that you think might

1089
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 4: be enlightening to others. So I hope that you all

1090
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 4: will one tune in on Friday check it out, and

1091
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 4: then also that you'll take the time to answer the

1092
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: call to action and we'll be able to circulate that

1093
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 4: amongst our social media and you know, feed it back

1094
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: to you those pieces that we think are particularly poignant

1095
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: and would benefit the rest of our listening audience. So

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Speaker 4: hope you'll check us out on Friday, and Happy Father's

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Speaker 4: Day in advance to all the dads.

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Speaker 5: One of my favorite mini piles Andrews, that was one

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Speaker 5: of our I mean I just love the conversation. And

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Speaker 5: I don't know when this is gonna air, but we

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Speaker 5: did another one. Can I plug it real quick?

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Speaker 6: And what was it? Angela? In the Shallow or the deep?

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Speaker 6: It was Angela's idea.

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Speaker 2: But it was so good.

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Speaker 6: It was so good.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of being so good, we are so good

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Speaker 1: on time, y'all. We made it to about an hour

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Speaker 1: in this show. Happy Father's Day to our dads out here,

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Speaker 1: the father figures of the world, those who have made

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Speaker 1: such a great difference in our lives and the lives

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Speaker 1: of our listeners. We applied you all. Andrew, we see you.

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Speaker 1: You'd be holding it down. You know how to do

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Speaker 1: a pony tail? Aj you croud, You've busting out all

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Speaker 1: the myths. You know how to make it happen, how

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Speaker 1: to do but yes, yes, Before we end the show,

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Speaker 1: I want to remind everyone to please leave us a

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Speaker 1: review and subscribe to Native Lamb Pod. We are available

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Speaker 1: on all platforms and YouTube our YouTube channels pretty dope.

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Speaker 1: You will hear from us every single Thursday. We also

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Speaker 1: have mini pod episodes that drop every Monday.

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Speaker 2: This week it's on Friday.

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Speaker 1: As Andrew said, you can also follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: We are Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillim.

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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: We are one hundred and forty five short days until

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Speaker 1: election day, Ash.

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Speaker 6: Welcome on, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Last thank you for joining the Natives. Attention to what

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Speaker 3: the info on all of the latest rock Gulum and

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Speaker 3: Cross connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.

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Speaker 3: Thank you sincerely for the patients. Reason for your choice

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Speaker 3: is clear. So grateful it took the ow to execute roads, preserve, defend,

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Speaker 3: and protect the true human if pain, Welcome home to

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Speaker 3: all of the Natives, We thank you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome y'allco.

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Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership

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