Speaker 1: Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 2: Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Speaker 2: Other Side.
Speaker 1: Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
Speaker 1: everything on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
Speaker 2: or to some the invisible world, life is going to
Speaker 2: be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 1: Uh heck, yes it can, because, let's be honest, brand
Speaker 1: Earth school is hard.
Speaker 2: In fact, you taught me that let's crush Earth School together.
Speaker 1: Well, hello, my witchy pooh, I want to talk aliens
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: Nice?
Speaker 1: How you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm great, my alf how are you Okay?
Speaker 1: Not about aliens, but it feels like there's aliens in
Speaker 1: my eyeballs right now because I and Santa Fe is
Speaker 1: killing me, and you, of course gave me great advice
Speaker 1: which I did not follow properly, which is to you know,
Speaker 1: put lavender over my sinus, as you said, just put
Speaker 1: it on the top on my foreheads forehead, which I
Speaker 1: didn't hear that only that part, And so my eyeballs
Speaker 1: are really awake and wide and anyway, so I have
Speaker 1: my glasses put down like a crazy old librarian.
Speaker 2: So hi, everybody, I have an enthusiastic y'all.
Speaker 1: It's has been a rough day though, I mean these allergies,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, rough day.
Speaker 2: Diffusing Diffusing lavender in the room is helpful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so y'all, here you go. If that's all you
Speaker 1: get out of this episode, Diffuse lavender if you're dealing
Speaker 1: with any allergies. I woke up with like watery eyes, congestion, fatigue.
Speaker 1: I was like, how am I going to do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Allergies are exhausting, Yes they are.
Speaker 1: And had wild ass dreams last night. Well, there you go,
Speaker 1: wild as dreams.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's because the allergies, you know, I
Speaker 2: do not.
Speaker 1: You don't think so. Is it because something's in Uranus
Speaker 1: and Saturn or something like that.
Speaker 2: Well Jupiter is in Gemini, and you know is that
Speaker 2: wild ass dreams? Well for you, Gemini is very important.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wild ass like and like so active.
Speaker 1: I woke up exhausted from them. Yeah that happens, and
Speaker 1: I remember them. Yeah, yeah, it was. That's weird. I know.
Speaker 1: I sent out a message this morning to somebody who
Speaker 1: was in it, who I haven't talked to and probably
Speaker 1: twenty years.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Her name was Koiesta Hood and Pile. Wow, yeah name,
Speaker 1: that's a name right. She was our hairdresser growing up
Speaker 1: in Miama and became a friend of the family and
Speaker 1: I had her expired ID when I was sixteen, So
Speaker 1: that was my fake ID.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Not about the not our topic today, but just a
Speaker 1: little left wild today, No, not today, Satan however, wild
Speaker 1: as streams like just wild anyway.
Speaker 2: Speaking of wild, Yes, what do you got?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's what you got because it was
Speaker 1: you who reached out and said, my elf, you have
Speaker 1: to listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2: So I did just want to do one back up
Speaker 2: for a minute because it took me a minute to
Speaker 2: pull up your chart. So your moon is probably conjunct
Speaker 2: the transitting Jupiter, which would make your nighttime dreams.
Speaker 1: Wild ass Yes, fucking hell. I mean it's like it's exhausting.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm like working all night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you want to set your intention for what
Speaker 2: you want to dream then instead of just like leaving
Speaker 2: it to the cosmos. Okay, yeah, So what great idea is,
Speaker 2: what great inspirations, what creativity can I be you know
Speaker 2: what new things framework stories, I can be weak.
Speaker 1: That was part of it, by the way. Oh no,
Speaker 1: but then, but it was exhausting. Anyway, it's it's totally fun.
Speaker 1: I'll live and I don't. I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun. It's just exhausting.
Speaker 2: Just direct it tonight.
Speaker 1: I will direct it better than I did. But anyway,
Speaker 1: it's your fault. We're doing this episode, and this is
Speaker 1: part one of part two. Word do two of these
Speaker 1: because it is so incredibly fascinating. But I'm going to
Speaker 1: let you explain everybody that you caused it.
Speaker 2: I was driving. I was driving, and so when I'm
Speaker 2: driving in other times i'd like to listen to a podcast.
Speaker 2: Because I was driving, like the things just rolled into
Speaker 2: whatever the next podcast was. And I heard a postcast
Speaker 2: with someone named Preston Dennett, and I loved his storytelling.
Speaker 2: I loved his focus on data gathering. I loved his
Speaker 2: approach that was not commercialized or dramatic. It was all
Speaker 2: like no. I actually resisted this for a long time
Speaker 2: until I had these kind of experiences and realized these
Speaker 2: people in my life were having these kind of experiences
Speaker 2: and people were talking to me, and so then I
Speaker 2: started researching it and like he ran the numbers, which
Speaker 2: I appreciate. But of course one of the ones that
Speaker 2: he resourced and mentioned in this podcast was the Betty
Speaker 2: and Barney Hill story, which is what we think of
Speaker 2: in our generation as the OG story. Right. It's these
Speaker 2: two husband and wife were traveling. Was it in upstate
Speaker 2: New York? Do you remember?
Speaker 1: I think it's New Hampshire or New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: I knew it was nor which.
Speaker 1: Calls New Hampster not relevant but bunny but very funny.
Speaker 2: And so they're traveling at night and they their car
Speaker 2: malfunctions and they're like, what do we do? We're on
Speaker 2: this dark country road and then everything goes black?
Speaker 1: Right, it's insane. Okay, So wait, you heard your brother
Speaker 1: read this to you, right, the story he read.
Speaker 2: He read this to me when I was in fourth grade.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's what I recall, and I think
Speaker 2: it's pretty accurate because you know, as a as a
Speaker 2: young girl, you know, listening to this story before you
Speaker 2: fall asleep, like, it goes in pretty deeply.
Speaker 1: My brother was calling me names and trying to hit me.
Speaker 1: Your brother was telling you stories of alien abductions.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well we had the book in the house, right,
Speaker 2: we had the Interrupted Journey is the name of the book. Right,
Speaker 2: we haven't been clearly we didn't buy it, but we
Speaker 2: had the book in the house.
Speaker 1: So okay, I just want to say the difference between
Speaker 1: our households. You had the Interrupted Journey in your household.
Speaker 1: My household was irma bombback if life is a bullet,
Speaker 1: Harry's what am I doing in the pits?
Speaker 2: Yeah? We had that one.
Speaker 1: Oh did you? Okay?
Speaker 2: Maybe everybody had them time lifebooks. I have known.
Speaker 1: Whatever they were, they were like the popular ones. So
Speaker 1: here's just a quick background on Barney and Betty, just
Speaker 1: so everybody has at the beginning of their story. So
Speaker 1: they were married couple and living in Newport News, Virginia.
Speaker 1: Barney Hill Junior was born in nineteen twenty two and
Speaker 1: Betty was born in nineteen nineteen. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is they were a mixed race couple, which I love,
Speaker 1: And they had a cute wier dog. Because I have
Speaker 1: a picture of them in front of me. So Barney was.
Speaker 2: A pretty famous photo, right is it great? Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a very.
Speaker 1: Famous and it's a long haired winter dog. It looks like,
Speaker 1: is it a wiener dog? Yeah? It is long haired,
Speaker 1: it's fat, so it's a winner dog. So Barney, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've ever met a wiener dog. Here's the thing I
Speaker 1: really identify with wiener dogs. They have short legs and
Speaker 1: they kind of have a round body. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I see you, wiener dog.
Speaker 2: We had a dogson growing up too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I understand their little short legs. So Barney
Speaker 1: was a postal worker and a civil rights activist, and
Speaker 1: Betty was a social worker and a civil rights advocate herself.
Speaker 1: So just so just to give like a you know,
Speaker 1: a little color commentary about who these.
Speaker 2: Are and the regular people like they they're so regular. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're just having their life right.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So uh, if you guys don't mind, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do a tiny bit, you know, like you
Speaker 1: did my reading that I don't do very well, and
Speaker 1: I'll obviously words wrong, so we can all laugh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is just so it has a resources is Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: so you can follow along. So, according to a variety
Speaker 1: of reports given by the Hills, the alleged UFO sighting
Speaker 1: happened about ten thirty pm September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 1: And why this is so important is that so many
Speaker 1: of these UFO reports happened in the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 1: These were the ones who came forward. I believe quite
Speaker 1: possibly the most famous one. Brand is that fair like
Speaker 1: of this time that came forward their story. I mean
Speaker 1: the hell, they had a book, they had a TV
Speaker 1: movie made. I mean well, and.
Speaker 2: Yes, without a doubt it was. It took a while
Speaker 2: for them to recover the memories and to get it
Speaker 2: published and to be verified and poked and prodded, and
Speaker 2: they went through all kinds of testing before their story
Speaker 2: go could come forward. So it was not like a, hey,
Speaker 2: this happened, let's write a story or a book, because
Speaker 2: they didn't even remember it for a long time. So right,
Speaker 2: So anyhow, I just want to I want to make
Speaker 2: sure people, like today, something happens, and you know the
Speaker 2: book is out the next month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, something happens and it's on Twitter. Remember I
Speaker 1: don't call it because I call it by it's dead name.
Speaker 1: I don't call people who's transitioned by their dead name,
Speaker 1: but I do call the social network that has transitioned
Speaker 1: by its dead name.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but I do think that's an important piece.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do too, I do too. This is it's
Speaker 1: an amazing story. I need to go watch the movie. Actually,
Speaker 1: there's a TV movie that was made about it that
Speaker 1: I will share once I get to it. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: so to your point, the Hills were driving back to
Speaker 1: Portsmith from a vacation in Niagara Falls and Montreal, just
Speaker 1: south of Lancaster, New Hampster. For my wife. Betty claimed
Speaker 1: to have observed a bright point of light in the
Speaker 1: sky that move from below the Moon and the planet Jupiter.
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of Jupiter, right there.
Speaker 1: Upward to the west of the Moon. While Barney navigated
Speaker 1: US Route three, Betty reasoned, I love that. Betty reasoned
Speaker 1: that she was observing a falling star, only it moved upward.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's technically falling if it goes up
Speaker 1: or is that like, oh, those people who fail upward?
Speaker 1: You know those people somehow it worked, they fail upward.
Speaker 1: It's like that's what she saw. We all know that
Speaker 1: she saw a white guy failing upward by the moon.
Speaker 1: Because it moved erradically and grew bigger and brighter. Betty
Speaker 1: urged Barney to stop the car for a closer look,
Speaker 1: as well as to walk their dog, Delcey, that's the
Speaker 1: wiener dog. Barney stopped at a scenic picnic area just
Speaker 1: north of Twin Mountain Betty, looking through binoculars, observed an
Speaker 1: odd shaped craft flashing multi colored lights travel across the
Speaker 1: face of the moon. Okay, how cool would that be?
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say.
Speaker 2: Out loud, it'd be amazing and terrifying and terrifying because
Speaker 2: they lost track of it eventually. Right, it's just so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very cool.
Speaker 1: Barney observed what he reasoned was a commercial airliner traveling
Speaker 1: toward Vermont on its way to Montreal. However, he soon
Speaker 1: changed his mind because, with outlooking as if it had turned,
Speaker 1: the craft rapidly descended in his direction. This observation caused
Speaker 1: Barney to realize this object that was a plane was
Speaker 1: not a plane. Doesn't that sound like nineteen sixty one?
Speaker 1: I reckon this is not a plane.
Speaker 2: But as Alice though, is so interesting because the how
Speaker 2: innocent your mind will tell stories, right, your mind just
Speaker 2: trying to make sense of what you're seeing that It's like,
Speaker 2: this doesn't fit my picture, so I'm going to fill
Speaker 2: in with this information that's completely irrelevant and a holy crap.
Speaker 1: Holy crap, it's aliens. Yeah, hilarious, The hill said. They
Speaker 1: continue driving on the quiet and isolated road, moving very
Speaker 1: slowly through Franconia Notch, in order to observe the object
Speaker 1: as it came even closer. Okay, by the way, don't
Speaker 1: you supposed to go the other way? Like? Did they
Speaker 1: not watch the babysitter like movies where it's like, if
Speaker 1: somebody's at the door, don't go up the stairs kind
Speaker 1: of shit. It's like, didn't they didn't?
Speaker 2: Again, they alien abductions were not the thing. They weren't
Speaker 2: published in newspapers. You know, it was not a thing.
Speaker 1: Totally fair, but we all know, don't go upstairs at
Speaker 1: one point. At one point, the object passed above a
Speaker 1: restaurant and signal tower on top of Cannon Mountain and
Speaker 1: came out near the old Man of the mountain. They
Speaker 1: testified that it was at least one and a half
Speaker 1: times the length of the granite cliff profile, which was
Speaker 1: forty feet long, and that it seemed to be rotating. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's freaky as shit. The couple watched as the silent,
Speaker 1: illuminated craft moved erratically and bounced back and forth in
Speaker 1: the night sky.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the other thing I would add at
Speaker 2: this point. You know now they didn't have this these stories,
Speaker 2: but also you know that the stories would be Aliens
Speaker 2: can well most of us would like run the other way.
Speaker 2: They can mask your minds processing so that you're like,
Speaker 2: oh this is interesting and you just very become very compliant.
Speaker 2: That's what people say. That's what they say in interviews
Speaker 2: and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they trick the shit out of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's one way say, speaking of tricking us,
Speaker 2: we should probably take a break.
Speaker 1: Crap, I think they als have been tricking us. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take an alien break, all right.
Speaker 2: Bring us back to that night in nineteen sixty one, which.
Speaker 1: I am now officially unmasked. Okay, about one mile south
Speaker 1: of Indian Head. They said, the object rapidly descended toward
Speaker 1: their vehicle, causing Barney to stop in the middle of
Speaker 1: the highway. The huge silent craft hovered about eighty to
Speaker 1: one hundred feet above the hills nineteen fifty seven Chevrolet
Speaker 1: bell Air Nice Choice by the Way Hills, and filled
Speaker 1: the entire field of view in the windshield Okay, that's
Speaker 1: just so cool. It reminded Barney of a huge pancake. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: I want pancakes carrying his pistol in his pocket. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, you got a pistol. Okay, Just everybody knows.
Speaker 1: I don't have to go any further. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can shoot an alien. It's going to do anything.
Speaker 2: So for the record, he's a black man traveling in
Speaker 2: the northeast.
Speaker 1: He should have a pistol in his pocket. Or he
Speaker 1: was just happy to see Betty. So, Okay, took you
Speaker 1: a minute, didn't it.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm hopped up. I told you earlier.
Speaker 1: I am super hopped up on musin XD right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, not a paid endorsement.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you got a snort. That was one
Speaker 1: snort joke. That was good. Okay, it reminded Barney of
Speaker 1: a huge pancake. I want pancakes. Still his pistol in
Speaker 1: his pocket. He was happy to see Betty. Okay. He
Speaker 1: stepped away from the vehicle and moved closer to the object.
Speaker 1: Using the binoculars. Barney claimed to have seen eight to
Speaker 1: eleven humanoid figures. Now, Brenda, to your point, earlier. They
Speaker 1: did not use the word humanoid back then. This has
Speaker 1: been rewritten for Wikipedia, not the language, but it's for
Speaker 1: today exactly right. So he sees eight to eleven humanoid
Speaker 1: figures who were peering out the craft's windows, seeming to
Speaker 1: look at him in unison. All but one figure moved
Speaker 1: to what appeared to be a panel on the rear
Speaker 1: wall of the hallway that encircled the front portion of
Speaker 1: the craft. The one remaining figure continued to look at
Speaker 1: Barney and communicated a message telling him to stay where
Speaker 1: you are and keep looking. That's eerie and awesome. Barney
Speaker 1: had a recollection of observing of observing the humanoid forms
Speaker 1: wearing glossy black uniforms and black caps, red lights on
Speaker 1: what appeared to be bat wing Okay, they said, bat wing.
Speaker 1: Bat Wing fins begin to telescope out of the site
Speaker 1: of the craft, and a long structure descended from the
Speaker 1: bottom of the craft. The silent craft approach to what
Speaker 1: Barney estimated was within fifty to eighty feet overhead and
Speaker 1: three hundred feet away from him. On October twenty first,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one, Barney reported to National Investigations Committee on
Speaker 1: Aerial phenomena and I CICAP, so NICAP investigator Walter Webb
Speaker 1: that the beings were somehow not human.
Speaker 2: Dun da, duh, Well this would have been so unheard of, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, this was It's not that there hadn't been
Speaker 2: other alien sightings, but they weren't shared publicly, like they
Speaker 2: were shared in families, or they were shared in tribes
Speaker 2: or part of lore or.
Speaker 1: Area fifty one kind of thing which was not personal.
Speaker 1: When was area personal? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this was this was very unusual, right, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: So do you mind if I continue on with the
Speaker 1: immediate aftermath?
Speaker 2: No, go ahead, Okay, Well, I just would want to
Speaker 2: say when I just think for them to come forward
Speaker 2: in something like this in such a public way, like
Speaker 2: in interviews in a book and to be tested and all,
Speaker 2: this is again just unheard of.
Speaker 1: And the bi racial couple, I just want to keep
Speaker 1: adding that because that's right. It's like, that's like if
Speaker 1: Suzanne and I had this happened to us in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty one and we came forward as this is a
Speaker 1: lesbian couple, Like that's scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's it's on top of on top of yes, breakthrough,
Speaker 2: it's breakthrough it is. I like that, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And I like them a lot. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: say if they if they were here today, I would
Speaker 1: want to be their friends. Okay. So this is the
Speaker 1: immediate aftermath. Arriving home at a about dawn, the Hills
Speaker 1: stated that they had some odd sensations and impulses they
Speaker 1: couldnot readily explain. Betty insisted their luggage be kept near
Speaker 1: the rear back door rather than in the main part
Speaker 1: of the house. I don't understand that, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm just reading that. The rest of it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Their watches would never work again. Barney said that the
Speaker 1: leather strap for the binoculars was torn, though he could
Speaker 1: not recall it tearing. The toes of his best dress
Speaker 1: shoes were scraped. Barney says he was compelled to examine
Speaker 1: his genitals in the bathroom, though he found nothing unusual.
Speaker 1: That's not unusual. The arn't men always checking the junk out?
Speaker 2: I think not an expert in that? Stay in my lane?
Speaker 1: I mean, did you think I'm an expert in that?
Speaker 1: I have two human eyes? I watched them like, move past,
Speaker 1: look in the bear do whatever. I mean? You know,
Speaker 1: it's all I'm saying they took, oh, they took long showers,
Speaker 1: not because of his junk, but to remove possible contamination,
Speaker 1: and each drew a picture of what they had observed.
Speaker 1: I want to see those pictures.
Speaker 2: They're in the book.
Speaker 1: Okay, we need to we need to we need to
Speaker 1: do part three and actually go through the pictures and
Speaker 1: describe them. None of its junk. Okay. Perplexed, they'll say
Speaker 1: they tried to reconstruct the chronology of events as they
Speaker 1: witnessed the UFO and drove home, but immediately after they
Speaker 1: heard the buzzing sounds, their memories became incomplete and fragmented. Now, y'all,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to like just kind of tell you
Speaker 1: what next week episode it's going to be. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot more detail of you know, in the
Speaker 1: last sixty years of what people have reported, and it's
Speaker 1: not different from this. This is why we wanted to
Speaker 1: start with this story. Okay. After sleeping for a few hours,
Speaker 1: Betty awoke and place the shoes and clothing she had
Speaker 1: worn worn during the drive in her closet, observing that
Speaker 1: the dress was torn at the hem zipper and lightning. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a pause because you thought, or you
Speaker 1: thought you heard when you were seven years old that
Speaker 1: her dress was on backwards? Is that right? Do you
Speaker 1: think it was?
Speaker 2: That's what that was my recollection. But again I was
Speaker 2: I was nine, so I could yea.
Speaker 1: In my head, no matter what the truth is, her
Speaker 1: dress was on backwards. I'm just saying that, okay. But later,
Speaker 1: when she retrieved the items from her closet, she noted
Speaker 1: a pinkish powder on her dress. She hung the dress
Speaker 1: on her clothesline, and the pink powder blew away, but
Speaker 1: the dress was irreparably damaged. She threw it away, but
Speaker 1: then changed her mind, retrieving the dress and hung it
Speaker 1: in her closet. Over the years, five laboratories have conducted
Speaker 1: chemical and forensic analysis on the dress. They don't tell
Speaker 1: us anymore about the dress.
Speaker 2: We have.
Speaker 1: I have so many questions, so many questions. There were shiny,
Speaker 1: concentric circles on the car's trunk that had not been
Speaker 1: there the previous day. Betty and Barney experimented with a compass,
Speaker 1: noting that when they moved it close to the spots,
Speaker 1: the needle would whirl rapidly, but when they moved it
Speaker 1: back a few inches away from the shiny spots, it
Speaker 1: would drop down. That's that section. By the way, that
Speaker 1: that pause that was an end to that section.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yes, go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I just appreciate how they're like not trying to make
Speaker 2: it overly dramatic. They seem like very rational people, totally
Speaker 2: like trying to figure out what happened, but also aware
Speaker 2: of the quirkiness, like well, at first I put the
Speaker 2: dress up over here, and then I didn't want it
Speaker 2: over that, you know, like like just aware of some
Speaker 2: stuff that doesn't make any sense of how she's operating.
Speaker 2: She's aware of it at least to document it.
Speaker 1: Right, right. No, they seem like normal human beings or
Speaker 1: normal humanoids whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 2: Okay, except for the alien visits.
Speaker 1: Except for the aliens, they're normal. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this next part kind of fast, but it's actually
Speaker 1: quite important, is so. Walter Walter Webb, who I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: met with the Hills on October twenty first in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty one. In a six hour interview, the Hills related
Speaker 1: all they could remember of the UFO encounter. Barney stated
Speaker 1: that he had developed a mental block, and that he
Speaker 1: suspected there were some portions of the event that he
Speaker 1: did not wish to remember. I mean that all that
Speaker 1: tracks right. He described in detail all that he could
Speaker 1: remember about the craft and the appearance of these somehow
Speaker 1: not human figures aboard it. I think that's what they
Speaker 1: used brand. That's back to the term humanoid. I think
Speaker 1: they he what he said, because it's in parentheses is
Speaker 1: somehow not human. Web stated that they were telling the
Speaker 1: truth and the incident probably occurred exactly as reported, except
Speaker 1: for some minor uncertainties and technicalities that must be tolerated
Speaker 1: any such observation where human judgment is is involved. So
Speaker 1: I think the other really big thing that happened with
Speaker 1: this was actually Betty's dreams, because you recalled from when
Speaker 1: new you were nine, random, random nine year old, WHICHIFO
Speaker 1: actually recalled that that Betty had night terrors, which is
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: They both did, but I think her started first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they did so. So ten days after
Speaker 1: the alleged uphone came, Betty began having a series of
Speaker 1: vivid dreams which continued for five consecutive nights. Am I
Speaker 1: having all my wacky dreams because of Betty, Betty, I
Speaker 1: feel you, sister. She stated that she experienced them with
Speaker 1: a degree of denial and intensity detailed not denial. Detail
Speaker 1: is funny mine's denial detail and intensity that she had
Speaker 1: never that she had never had before. After the fifth night,
Speaker 1: they stopped and never recurred, though they occupied her thoughts
Speaker 1: during the day. When she mentioned them to Barney, he
Speaker 1: was sympathetic but not too concerned, and the matter was dropped.
Speaker 1: Betty did not mention them to Barney again. In November
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty one, Betty began writing down the details
Speaker 1: of her dreams, and one dream she and Barney encountered
Speaker 1: a roadblock and men who surrounded their car. She lost
Speaker 1: consciousness but struggled to regain it. Then she realized that
Speaker 1: she was being forced by two small men to walk
Speaker 1: in a forest at night, end of seeing Barney walking
Speaker 1: behind her, though when she called to him he seemed
Speaker 1: to be in a trance or sleepwalking. PS. Important note
Speaker 1: that has been absolutely documented with cases after this where
Speaker 1: a loved one a spouse would be put into a
Speaker 1: trance while they took the other spouse with them. Just ps. Everybody.
Speaker 1: The men stood about five feet and five four inches
Speaker 1: so that's my heightfuckers, and were matching blue uniforms I
Speaker 1: don't do that, with caps similar to those worn by
Speaker 1: military cadets. They appeared nearly human, with black hair, dark eyes,
Speaker 1: prominent noses, and bluish lips. Their skin was a grayish
Speaker 1: color the grays. The Grays were hiding in plain sight.
Speaker 1: She and Barney were taken to their car, where the
Speaker 1: leaders suggested that they wait to watch the craft's departure.
Speaker 1: They did so and then resumed their drive home. All right,
Speaker 1: want to take them the break and let's come back
Speaker 1: a talks form like, well, I'm done reading y'all for now.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's such a yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, y'all, we're back. Brenda was exploding when I went
Speaker 1: to break and I apologized profusely to the wishy poop.
Speaker 1: But you hit it, sister, go what do you want
Speaker 1: to say?
Speaker 2: Well, it's just like this, there's so much right in there,
Speaker 2: so many elements of their story that we hear over
Speaker 2: and over today. But knowing that this is, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the first times it came so public, and
Speaker 2: to have it I goed back so many times. Although
Speaker 2: I will say it seems like they have like this, this, this,
Speaker 2: like they have all the points hit where a lot
Speaker 2: of other people will only have one or two of them.
Speaker 2: So it seems like a very extended and it's literally
Speaker 2: called the interrupted journey. Do you remember like they lost
Speaker 2: eight hours.
Speaker 1: Or something like that, but for many.
Speaker 2: People will you know, more like three hours?
Speaker 1: Right, but loss of time is the number one commonality
Speaker 1: of people who have been abducted. And I think what
Speaker 1: is really interesting too, and this is, you know what
Speaker 1: you first said to me when you sent me the
Speaker 1: podcast that we're going to do a podcast about is
Speaker 1: the meta podcast. We're in the metaverse, everybody is. It
Speaker 1: was really the classifications of what this guy has kind
Speaker 1: of surmised of the different alien forms. And one of
Speaker 1: them he are the grays, so he calls them humanoid
Speaker 1: and shape, short, bald. They can be skinny, pale, large,
Speaker 1: dark eyes, so we heard dark eyes with this last,
Speaker 1: right and short. Apparently I'm the size of a gray alien.
Speaker 1: The second one was is the category is human looking
Speaker 1: so like genetically to date is what they call it.
Speaker 2: They call it human noids, right, No, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: It's human noise? Are the ones in the.
Speaker 1: Jumpsuits yeah, yes, they're There are another just categories humanoids,
Speaker 1: but this one, but I think yes, jumpsuits. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: genetically perfect and they were I took notes, I didn't readdown.
Speaker 2: Come on, that's awesome, that's.
Speaker 1: What a gray would do. Okay. The third one is
Speaker 1: nine foot tall looking praying mantises.
Speaker 2: Pray praying mantis?
Speaker 1: Yes, I said, is for plural?
Speaker 2: Yes? So why do you think they would choose that
Speaker 2: for an insect? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fuck? If I know? What do you think? Do you
Speaker 1: have an answer?
Speaker 2: I just think I just think it's a very poor choice.
Speaker 2: Bad marketing, bad alien marketing, bad alien marketing. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I wonder you know what's interesting? I okay, So it's
Speaker 1: so funny that we're talking about this. My cousin, Matthew,
Speaker 1: was just in town and we were talking about amber specimens,
Speaker 1: and I have a piece of amber that has a
Speaker 1: full praying mantis in it, and those things are hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of years old. I wonder if they took
Speaker 1: an early form. Maybe, Hey man, I was just trying
Speaker 1: to make a connection here with my cousins. Is an
Speaker 1: amber because I's old, that is old, Amber's old, right,
Speaker 1: and so It's like there's just a piece of history
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 2: So if you meet an alien praying mantis, you should
Speaker 2: just say you need to update your software.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, here's the other thing fun about
Speaker 1: praying mantis. Don't they eat their mate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the females do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like them.
Speaker 2: Well, we know that the grays are you know, they're sterile, right,
Speaker 2: that's one of the things they're worried about is reproduction.
Speaker 2: Maybe praying mantis are having the same problems if they're
Speaker 2: eating all their meats.
Speaker 1: Or the praygmantises are eating the what was once reproductive grays.
Speaker 1: Alien wars. Okay, the other one we are office. The
Speaker 1: fourth one, y'all are welcome because we're having a ball.
Speaker 1: We hope the hell you are too. The fourth one,
Speaker 1: less common is the reptilian. We've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: movies with those kind of reptilian like an aliens, but
Speaker 1: apparently that one's not terribly common. The fifth categories like
Speaker 1: a catch all, you know, And that's what they call
Speaker 1: They just call them strange humanoids that can be from
Speaker 1: dwarfs to tall bright beings is what they call that.
Speaker 1: But the thing is with all of them, I guess
Speaker 1: with the exception of a praying mantis is they still
Speaker 1: have like two arms two let well, praymantis has two
Speaker 1: arms and two legs. I think that's what they mean
Speaker 1: by humanoid. Like if you look at a gray and
Speaker 1: I have a photograph of one. If you look at
Speaker 1: a gray it but it has all the parts, right,
Speaker 1: It has the head, the eyes, it has armed legs, torso.
Speaker 1: And I think that's humid always kind of a umbrella. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and I do think there's an element where we
Speaker 2: all have an experience of like seeing something like that
Speaker 2: person is a little off, you know, but you just
Speaker 2: kind of go on your way. You don't usually get
Speaker 2: to upset by it, you know, because there's there's usually
Speaker 2: like a veiled component.
Speaker 1: Totally, yeah, totally, Okay, So there here's the list. So
Speaker 1: I want to hit these high point lists. That sets
Speaker 1: us up for when we come back next week.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The other list is and we'll start again with this
Speaker 1: next week. Are the markers of those that have been abducted.
Speaker 1: The one that is I think unanimous, but it's is
Speaker 1: missing time, right. Missing time is like holy shit, And
Speaker 1: I don't mean missing time like you're cooking and it's
Speaker 1: two hours later because you're having fun making when you're
Speaker 1: throwing pottery, and this is not missing time. This is
Speaker 1: missing time like what three hours eight hours?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at your clock and you're like, wait,
Speaker 2: I haven't done anything. I haven't moved. What the hell
Speaker 2: was I doing for three hours? Five hours? What it
Speaker 2: was like, Like, why is the sundown kind of situation? Right? What?
Speaker 2: That like? Wow?
Speaker 1: Major? Right?
Speaker 2: And some people will actually have a little bit of
Speaker 2: a hangover. Oh like and I think it's a disorientation.
Speaker 2: Oh that makes sense, right, Yeah, Like it's just like
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure what happened.
Speaker 1: That makes sense though. Yeah. They also have mysterious scars.
Speaker 1: There's a story that was told in the podcast about
Speaker 1: a guy who had like a like a two inch
Speaker 1: red triangle kind of burned on his skin from his abduction.
Speaker 1: They have injuries. They could also have healings. They can
Speaker 1: see you want to say something about healings. You don't
Speaker 1: want to say something about healings. Brenda does not want
Speaker 1: to say anything about healings.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just gonna say, like, they're not like
Speaker 2: I have a little booboo and now it's gone. It's
Speaker 2: like cancer and cancer, cancer's gone. Some situation that would
Speaker 2: have required surgery is no longer there, like AIDS.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's a case I heard of AIDS
Speaker 1: that somebody was abducted and they came back and they
Speaker 1: no longer had Yeah, AIDS. They see balls of light.
Speaker 1: That's another thing they have. This is would they come
Speaker 1: out of it right? This isn't why they're in it,
Speaker 1: but they see balls of light afterwards. They also have
Speaker 1: unexplained PTSD, and they have a fear of clowns, which
Speaker 1: we're going to get to next week. Fear of clowns, y'all, Cliff.
Speaker 1: In fact, we might need to call it fear of clowns.
Speaker 1: I think that's what next week episode should be called,
Speaker 1: Fair of Clowns. They also have dreams about UFOs. They
Speaker 1: either have an unusual I.
Speaker 2: Think a lot of times their dreams aren't directly of UFOs,
Speaker 2: but they're like something, something is examining them, but they
Speaker 2: can't necessarily see it, Like it's a distortion as opposed
Speaker 2: to oh, I remember meeting the specific alien and you know,
Speaker 2: their name was Like, it's not that, it's like a
Speaker 2: veiled kind of situation, like their unconsciousness trying to figure
Speaker 2: out part of what happened when perhaps they were.
Speaker 1: Do they have names? If they did, I would like
Speaker 1: to call them Simon just for the record.
Speaker 2: Well you tell them that, if they'd.
Speaker 1: Be like what's you say? And they look at being
Speaker 1: like what the hell you talk about? Like, okay, Simon,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 2: Well. But the stories I've heard is not that they
Speaker 2: have names, but that they do recognize, you know, aliens
Speaker 2: from oh you're you're that alien? Like they recognize them
Speaker 2: if they've have been repeatedly abducted.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I like that. But we haven't give them a name,
Speaker 1: and they have either you never heard name. Well, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to give them one. So there
Speaker 1: Simon from Uranus, Yes, Simon from my Uranus. So they
Speaker 1: and also people can have either an unusual attraction or
Speaker 1: repulse repulsion to aliens like so that's part of what
Speaker 1: they come back with. And I have to tell everybody
Speaker 1: Like So in the next week, watch a Rival. I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about this movie before. I love it
Speaker 1: so much, You've talked about it. You love that movie Arrival.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I just love it. So watch that.
Speaker 2: Amy Adams is brilliant.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've loved her in that seriously. Really. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's lots of Actually, there's lots of movies about this.
Speaker 1: There's lots of books about obviously about this topic. There
Speaker 1: are stories there are you know, there's there's also I
Speaker 1: read in an article and it was about people on
Speaker 1: the spectrum and it was a list of it was
Speaker 1: it was a list of celebrities that are on the
Speaker 1: autism spectrum and one of them was Dan Ackroyd. And
Speaker 1: he actually claims that part of him being on the
Speaker 1: spectrum is actually his obsession with UFOs and aliens. Interesting,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: I did not I didn't know any of that.
Speaker 1: I just read it. I read it before you sent
Speaker 1: me this stuff. What the fuck's going on?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Get ready summer Summer Rebelions.
Speaker 1: And okay, okay, so uh we're going to continue this
Speaker 1: and that's all I have to say.
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Speaker 1: Two? Yeah? Why not?
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