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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Neukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. We are

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Speaker 1: we're on assignment on assignment from really the Good Lord,

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Speaker 1: but also a Gary Gerald Brewer. We're on assignment. We're

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Speaker 1: at uh, we're at our bear camp and we've we've

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Speaker 1: completed the bear camp for this year. Bear season is

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Speaker 1: still going. They should close the bear season after our

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Speaker 1: bear camp is done. Yeah, it should just be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: y'all done, Yeah, Okay, season's over. Shut down that that's

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Speaker 1: not a good idea. But did it before we started?

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Speaker 1: What's that? So they kind of shut it down before

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Speaker 1: we start? Mother Nature We're gonna So it's great, great

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Speaker 1: to be out in the wild today. We're at our

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Speaker 1: We're at our camp here in Arkansas. I have a

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Speaker 1: great guest, a great group of people here with me.

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Speaker 1: Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker. Hello, Brent reeves bear, John Newcomb here,

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Speaker 1: and we've got you've been on the podcast before, but

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Speaker 1: this is Anthony Ballard from Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: In a in a different capacity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but you're still the bear biologist from Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not Spencer. We gotta get y'all mixed up

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Speaker 1: that well, expert.

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Speaker 2: There's there's some I wonder about the intentionality of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's some stories. I'm just intern anyway. Yeah, well most

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Speaker 2: of your mom Yeah, that's true, added to some confusion.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we gotta tell that story. Okay, So this is

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Speaker 1: Anthony Ballard. He does work for the Mississippi Department of

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Speaker 1: How did they say, what's.

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Speaker 2: Their md WFP Mississippi Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks.

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Speaker 1: It's a bad one.

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Speaker 3: That acronym is too much to.

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Speaker 2: Say, it is. Yeah, when I'm on the phone, I

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Speaker 2: just say Wildlife and Fisheries because it's just that's what

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Speaker 2: your maleean. It's cumbersome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then we have uh, Spencer Daniels, the intern.

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Speaker 4: Yep, the intern.

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Speaker 5: I'm a graduate student of Mississippi State on the bear

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Speaker 5: project and Anthony worked together a lot and uh yeah,

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Speaker 5: just get my master's there and kind of working on

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Speaker 4: I do my thesis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the other morning, we were up real early,

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Speaker 1: and Spencer wasn't up as early as us. He didn't

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Speaker 1: being real quiet. And I said, Anthony, I said, is

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Speaker 1: Spencer the only one a sleep up there? And he

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Speaker 1: was like yeah, And I was like, he's just an intern.

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Speaker 1: I flipped on the lights. About ten minutes later, he

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Speaker 1: He heard me.

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Speaker 5: You apologized if you woke me up, and I said,

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Speaker 4: I'm just an intern.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So tell the story about your mother meeting someone

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a little background first. Brent put out a video

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Speaker 5: when y'all came down to do din checks with us,

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Speaker 5: and he kind of introduced the video saying, y'all are

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Speaker 5: and we joked about it for a while because technically

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Speaker 5: I'm not a bar biologist. I'm a wildlife biologist that

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Speaker 5: kind of the setup for it. My parents went on

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Speaker 4: I forget the name of the airport, but they.

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Speaker 5: Stopped over there and my mom's at the counter and

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Speaker 1: Your mom would have recognized Stephennilli.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we watched Meat Eater and you know

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Speaker 5: They waited around, wait around for him to get off

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Speaker 4: But so he's just think, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, she does the proud mom thing, talks

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Speaker 5: the the bear bologist in Mississippi. So Steve Vernell apparently

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Speaker 1: And your mom does.

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Speaker 5: They kind of mentioned that, and that's when he kind of,

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Speaker 5: you know, he was he was cool with him, hung

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, yeah, x U s see, Steve, he'll be

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Speaker 1: like I asked all you were with that bear biologist

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Speaker 1: that main bearp will be like Anthony and he's.

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Speaker 5: Well, my mom swears that his follow up question was

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Speaker 5: how long has he been in that position?

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Speaker 4: But my dad said he never did, so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's funny, that's funny. Well, you guys have been bear

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Speaker 1: hunting with us, and this was your Well, okay, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna on the bear Grease Render if you're if you're new,

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Speaker 1: we we talk about the past week's podcast. Every two

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Speaker 1: with talking about bear Camp. Is that okay with y'all?

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Speaker 1: It makes sense because I think I think if we

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Speaker 1: to come back to Deer Stories. So this last week

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Speaker 1: from now will be meat Eater's White Tail Week YEP,

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Speaker 1: on First Light all the deer hunting gear, Phelps game calls,

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Speaker 1: a lot of sales and stuff that's connected to Whitetail Week,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what we're really talking about. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about deer stories. There were multiple really good ones. What

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Speaker 1: was what was y'all's favorite story? Favorite?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's got everybody's got the gonna have the same favorite,

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Speaker 6: and I think we should talk about that one last

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Speaker 1: Okay, what was your second favorite story? I like Lake's

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Speaker 1: Lake Pickle story. Yep, really yeah.

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Speaker 6: The you know, I'm crazy about nostalgia and history and

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Speaker 1: I think it was his grandfather other daddy Dole.

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Speaker 1: It was I really liked it. He did a good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, okay, I really I really like Lakes two.

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Speaker 3: I think I think first of all, likes a great storytelling.

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Speaker 1: Don't give you don't get late too much credit.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, like we don't even like it.

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Speaker 1: I mean you like Pickle loucked into a decent story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, looked into a decent buck. Andy.

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Speaker 1: Did you know Anthony lives within walking distance like Pickle up.

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Speaker 1: It worked. Yep, A good calling sequence. What I hear?

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Speaker 1: I like you guys didn't like the bear story?

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Speaker 5: That's what that was my favorite just because they had

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Speaker 6: Every time every time you ask somebody what their favorite

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Speaker 1: Don't say the one, you think they're crazy. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: asking you could just have a little bit of thick

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Speaker 2: That's not an option. What's your second favorite story?

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Speaker 1: My second favorite story by far would have been Mitch

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Speaker 1: Syke's story him shooting the bear. Mitch. It's pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: I heard about his bear story years ago from my

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Speaker 1: What stories were there? There was a Jude, the story

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Speaker 3: He's a hard he's a hard deer hunter, that guy.

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Speaker 3: grace from God to be able to walk through that.

439
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: And I feel like I feel like Med did a

440
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: great job exemplifying how you should walk through it, you

441
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He wasn't angry. He wasn't he

442
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: wasn't just tore up to the point where he was debilitated.

443
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: But he you know, obviously that's a that's a heavy

444
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: load to carry. But he did what he had to do.

445
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: And I think I think the fact that he spent

446
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: so long searching on the river. You know, he told

447
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: us and behind the scenes that he put forty seven

448
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 3: hundred miles on his boat looking for looking for Gunner,

449
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, and.

450
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: He still goes to the river to this day, he

451
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: still goes. Yeah, really yep.

452
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: So I think I think he just he it was

453
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: a good example because he just yeah, I think he did.

454
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: He didn't carry bitterness, but he just he found ways,

455
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 3: good ways to be able to walk through it into

456
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: and to kind of move past it.

457
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: I I appreciate that. You know, as he was telling

458
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: the story, it was clear that he didn't he didn't

459
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: go He didn't give us the full version of the

460
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: of of Gunner. I mean, like it was he was

461
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: telling us a dear story that included that, So I

462
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: mean it was like it was a very condensed version.

463
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: But I appreciated how he he knew he had to

464
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: take on the grief of it head on.

465
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: Ye.

466
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: He was like, I needed to go. I needed to

467
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: go to our land and walk past those stands. I

468
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: needed to be by myself. I knew it was going

469
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: to be hard, Like he just kind of like took

470
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: it on like it was a job.

471
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: He didn't avoid it.

472
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just like, this is what I gotta do.

473
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: And I mean I can only imagine, you know what.

474
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: That's all I can do is is imagine what that

475
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: would be like. But I do think that there are

476
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: versions of that story where where someone is just debilitated,

477
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: maybe forever. And I didn't get that sense from him.

478
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's he's he's still, he's strong and

479
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: and just seems to be I mean I didn't know

480
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: him before yeah, bet a minute, but he seems to

481
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: be doing good. Yeah.

482
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: And I mean there's a lot of a lot of

483
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: people that would in that situation would just stop hunting, yeah,

484
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: or stop being outdoors or like just avoid those things,

485
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: like you're saying, just just shut that part of your

486
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: life off, just you know, avoid it all together. And

487
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: he doesn't do that. I mean, he's still and another

488
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: thing that that he wouldn't tell you that I will is.

489
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: There are some people that are just put on this

490
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: earth to kill stuff, and Med is one of those dudes.

491
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: He is you could put a turkey on the surface

492
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: of Mars, one turkey, and he would go up there

493
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: and he would find it and kill it. I mean,

494
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: he is just an absolute And Keith.

495
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 6: Keith Poke sent me a message after he listened. He said,

496
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 6: if you have the opportunity to go hunting with Med Palmer,

497
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 6: he said, you better jump on it. He said, because

498
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 6: you're going to learn some stuff.

499
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: Yes, you will learn things about turkeys that you never knew.

500
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: But anyway, said all that to say, just just in

501
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: casual conversation, I talked to him, you know, in the

502
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: years following that, like hey, are you are you still

503
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: going hunting? Are you doing this and that? And during

504
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: turkey season there were several times that you know, I

505
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: would talk to him. He'd say, yeah, I've had I've

506
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: had five or I've had seven turkeys within shooting range

507
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: and just didn't pull the trigger, you know, or or

508
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: sometimes that he did, or you know, he would take

509
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: another youth, another kid. You know, I've got this, I

510
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: got this so and so hunt with this organization, and

511
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, we went out and this kid killed a turkey.

512
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: I called it up for him. And so like he's

513
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: he's still very much involved in in the outdoor world

514
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: and even with other other kids and helping like that's

515
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: one of his favorite things to do, is it's still

516
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: helping youth fulfill those dreams for themselves.

517
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: He does a lot with wounded veterans too.

518
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, what'd you think in the story? Bear? Well, you

519
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't hear it? Yeah, no, I didn't. Let didn't hear it?

520
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I was actually.

521
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: Right now in front of us. Just watch them, Yeah,

522
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 3: just watch them tear up what what?

523
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 2: Where? You leave and you don't come back.

524
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: And I forgot that you hadn't heard it. Yeah, Well

525
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: I was wondering what story we're talking about when you

526
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: were first describing it. It was pretty confusing. Well, it'll

527
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: it'll go down in the archives, man. That's what's so

528
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: for me that what's so fun about doing what we're

529
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: doing is that you're collecting you're you're collecting people's kind

530
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: of most precious, valuable memories and stories and they come

531
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 1: in all kinds of different versions, you know, and uh,

532
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: and sometimes the focus isn't is an animal? Sometimes the

533
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: focus is a person. Sometimes a focus is uh is

534
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: something you know, life changing that happened inside of it.

535
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: But uh, but to me, Med's story told on Bear

536
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: Grease will go down as Ah is one that I

537
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: won't forget. Yeah, there's a handful of stories that I

538
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: could just if I met somebody, if I met Spencer's

539
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: mom in the airport, I might be like, and she'd

540
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: be like, what do you do, young man? I go, well,

541
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: I have a podcast and we tell stories like and

542
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: I would yeah, Med Palmer's story about Beyond There, and

543
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: she'd go, are you the lead bar biologist in Arkansas? Uh? Well,

544
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna have another Dear Stories episode coming up, so

545
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll we got we got one more. It's

546
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: gonna be great, and we're gonna get to Ostiola. We

547
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: we had we interviewed Stirling Harjoe and we were gonna

548
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: follow it directly with the with the Ostiola series. But

549
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna come later on October.

550
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: YEP.

551
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: So well, so we've we've had we've had a good

552
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: bear Camp. It's been tough. Who wants to start talking

553
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: about bear camp?

554
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: Not men?

555
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 6: You tell us about your bear hunt? Well, you at

556
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 6: first you need to put some context to it. Okay,

557
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 6: you know this is the one thing we all look

558
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 6: not the one thing, but this, this hunt, this camp

559
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 6: right here is something I would give up just about

560
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 6: anything to be here every year.

561
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: And it's usually, you know.

562
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 6: Pretty sporty on the first opening day when everybody gets

563
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: here and we come from all points of the compass

564
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 6: to get here. Then we got here and it's raining

565
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 6: acrens like hailstorm, and everybody immediately thinks this may be

566
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 6: pretty tough.

567
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll let you take it from Well, we're in Arkansas.

568
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: We can hunt over bait on private land, so we've

569
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: got we've got places that we've been baiting. And typically

570
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: the the success of the hunt is really in a

571
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: high correlation to the amount of acrons that are falling.

572
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: So a bear just period a bear would rather eat

573
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: an acre and as he would anything that you can

574
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: put out, So as the acrons start to fall, the

575
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: bear activity on your baits just decreases. But usually the

576
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: season opener is at a time when you know some

577
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: of your bears are leaving, but there's still some hanging around,

578
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: and it's always this fight with the calendar, and every

579
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: day you go further into the fall. You know, bears

580
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: are more and more keying in on natural food sources

581
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: and really more and more moving into their fall ranges.

582
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: You know, bears have these big, huge ranges. And Anthony

583
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: could tell me tell more about it than I could,

584
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: but in general, you know, a bear has a huge range.

585
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: You know, let's say it's let's say it's fifteen square

586
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: miles for a bore or something, and he'll he'll focus

587
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: on different parts of that range at different parts of

588
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: the u year. But their fall ranges are typically pretty standard,

589
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: and that's just where they want to be. Now, if

590
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: your bear bait is inside of that that area in

591
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: a secure location that he feels comfortable in the daylight

592
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: and he wants to be there anyway, that's money. But

593
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: usually that's not the case. Usually on the private land

594
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: that we're able to gain access to debate, usually you're

595
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: on the fringe of like core bear ranges and and

596
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: the odd property is you know, like just where you

597
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: want it. But uh, anyway, we had we had quite

598
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: a few bears. Like if you if I just showed

599
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you pictures, if I showed Spencer's mom the videos of

600
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: the bears that we had on camera she would be impressed.

601
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like we had some no shortage of like

602
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: big bears and uh, but they just they just come

603
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: in at night. They're they're sporadic. And by opening day,

604
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean we were what was it like? What what

605
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: was it like? Community? Because I I communicate with Anthony

606
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: every day for three weeks, like sending in beaar pictures.

607
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, and that was one thing that kind of, you know,

608
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: I kind of said on the on the front end

609
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: that I want to I'm really excited about this experience

610
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: to learn more and if I kill a bear, that'll

611
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: be icing on the cake. And I really didn't mean

612
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: that and I still do, but to kind of to

613
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: kind of place myself in the hunting aspect of something

614
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: that I really haven't been able to do because obviously

615
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm from a state that doesn't allow it, and I've

616
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: never been outside, so.

617
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: He's never been outside of the state of MISSI outdoors.

618
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't get out much

619
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: at all. But anyway, so that's why I've never met

620
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: Steven Ell at an airport. But anyway, so to kind

621
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: of see how how everything let up, you know, you

622
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: you said that it's it's very depending on acronfall obviously,

623
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: but just to see the difference in the bears activities

624
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: in in you know, a forty eight hour period and

625
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: that just precipitous drop in traffic and activity around that

626
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: bait site in that one short little period. Because, like

627
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: you said, as you were sending pictures one after the other,

628
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: I was like, it's just a matter of shopping for

629
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: which bear I want, yeah, and shooting. And that's what

630
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people think when you're you know, hunting

631
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: over bait. You know, the argument is even made that

632
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: it's not ethical and that it's cheating because you're just

633
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: and this process really opened my eyes to like, look,

634
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: that bear is wired to utilize what we call pulse resources.

635
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: So it's hard mass in the fall, it's a lot

636
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: of berries and other soft mass in the spring, and

637
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: when those resources come available, they are on them and

638
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: they are on them until they're gone hot and heavy.

639
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: And if they don't have to come to your bait

640
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: to supplement that, they're not going to And so that's

641
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of those things like you kind

642
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: of know in the back of your mind, but to

643
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: actually see it firsthand was was a really eye opening experience.

644
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: He saw it firsthand. Yeah, yeah, not seeing a bear.

645
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, daylight to dark. I think we I think we

646
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: hunted all but about two or three hours of daylight

647
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: both the first two days, so upwards of you know,

648
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: thirty hours in the stand and either saw the same

649
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: yearling twice or saw two different yearlings in all that

650
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: time put together.

651
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 6: In a spot, in a spot where some big bears

652
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 6: were using.

653
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was a that was a it was

654
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: a good spot. Yeah good. I mean really that that

655
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: that spot. I would I would hunt any year and

656
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: feel confident.

657
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: So because it is rain and acrons here.

658
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. It is. So the interesting thing about

659
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: this is I have a philosophy that when you're when

660
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: you buy people to bear camp, that you should order

661
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 1: to anything. You should just like kind of communicate where

662
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: they stand in the in the in the in the Yeah.

663
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: And so I told I sent word to Spencer through Brent.

664
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Now you this is like me telling Mitch Psych's story.

665
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, my story was like hyper communicated or it

666
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: was accurate with So when I was gonna inviite Anthony

667
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: and and I only had what I felt like was

668
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: two good spots and so Bear was gonna hunt one,

669
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: Anthony was gonna hunt one, and uh and I said,

670
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: well h Brent and I collaborated and were like, let's

671
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: invite Spencer. And I said, okay, I said, but you

672
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: just tell him that he's getting the third best spot,

673
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: and the third best spot isn't always that great. Was

674
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: that communicated to.

675
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 5: You a little bit?

676
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, get gar hold a little bit.

677
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that was my impression, but I knew

678
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: had the third best spot.

679
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: Okay, so you knew it. Brent did a good job.

680
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: He was diplomatic.

681
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know you're this. This counts nothing towards how

682
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 6: we how we love you, Spencer.

683
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: It's just the look of the drove.

684
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 4: I know where I stand.

685
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: We could have we could have. I could have like

686
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: drew up on a whiteboard like daylight before daylight at

687
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: opening day and had like bare place number one, number two,

688
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: number three, And I'm like, okay, now we're going to

689
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: draw straws to see who who gets to go, and

690
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: I like rig it to where they all get it. Sorry, Spencer,

691
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: looks like you're going to garhole number three. But what

692
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: the heck happened at garhole number three? Man?

693
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it turned out so the first day

694
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 5: we I mean I didn't go out, you know, at

695
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 5: the crack of dawn like these two, because we checked

696
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: the cameras. We decided to check the cameras the next

697
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 5: morning and just see how it looked, because otherwise I

698
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: was just going to go still hunt the mountains, you know,

699
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 5: because I hadn't had a chance to do that.

700
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: That would have been nice.

701
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 5: But we checked the cameras and there was one big

702
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 5: sal she was coming in at night and not looking

703
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 5: too good on that. But there were a couple of

704
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 5: yearlings and you know, kind of a bigger small bear.

705
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: I guess I'll put it that way. But it looked okay,

706
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 5: And since it was already you know, late in the

707
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 5: first day, I decided I'll go up there that afternoon

708
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 5: and see how it felt. And at about four o'clock,

709
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 5: a bigger bear, well bigger, smaller bear came in and

710
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 5: I spent forever arguing with myself whether or not I

711
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 5: wanted to shoot it, and it gave me broadside about

712
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 5: five or six times, and I just know I had

713
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 5: three hours left on the first day.

714
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going to shoot this bear,

715
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: So I didn't shoot came back in.

716
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: That's like the beat sounds like we're being shot at yea.

717
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

718
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 5: And we talked about it that night and it's like

719
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 5: they're still not really coming in in the morning. So

720
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 5: I'm I'll check the cameras early to the next day,

721
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 5: and we did, and he came back at like seven

722
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 5: thirty that morning while I wasn't out there. So I was,

723
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 5: you know, kicking myself for that, because once we looked

724
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 5: at the camera pictures, it actually looked bigger than I thought.

725
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: So you were being conservative and you were like, when

726
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: you saw it, you thought that's not a bear I

727
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: want to shoot. We go back and review the pictures

728
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, that's actually a decent bear.

729
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: It looked like a boar yep, and that's typically what

730
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: we're trying to shoot.

731
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 5: Right, And so after looking at the pictures, I was like,

732
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 5: you know what, I will try to kill that bear

733
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 5: upon further reviews.

734
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it.

735
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: Had come in that morning, and like I said, I

736
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 5: didn't go out like these guys again. But I wound

737
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 5: up getting in the stand about nine thirty or so

738
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 5: and sat all day saw year ling, you know, didn't

739
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 5: shoot anything. And the final day, I went out all day.

740
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 5: That was my plan was to go out all day

741
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 5: and hope he came back in. And he came in

742
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 5: at seven fourteen. I smacked him like maybe minute and

743
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 5: a half, two minutes after he showed up.

744
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: So the guar hole produced.

745
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: It worked out.

746
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: It reminds me of a I say in one of

747
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: the old guys at deer Camp has told me one time.

748
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: It says, you can be the best hunter in the world.

749
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: You can know all the things to know, you can

750
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: have all the track and experience and all the knowledge

751
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: you ever want to have, but you can't compete with

752
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: dumb luck. About dumb luck, that's a quote, that's not

753
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: that was.

754
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily directed at you, even though it was

755
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: told after. It was a coincidence, just random thought.

756
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just thinking about things. Yeah.

757
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: Well so we uh it was cool getting to see

758
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: you kill a barr first bear and uh and we

759
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: we processed that bear. I want to talk about the

760
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: gall bladder on that thing. Uh.

761
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: So you know I did like how much you got

762
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: for it on the black market.

763
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get into.

764
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

765
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: No, I actually have never really intentionally looked for a

766
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: gallbladder and a bear. And for those who wouldn't know,

767
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: gallbladders are sold on the black market for a lot

768
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: of money, and it's highly illegal to sell them in

769
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: some places. It's illegal to have them in possession, you know,

770
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: like to keep them. I'm post them. Yeah, And so anyway,

771
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: when we were gutting the bear, we were just we

772
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: found it. And I had never messed with it before,

773
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: or never even really looked at one. But I've been

774
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: reading quite a bit about the the gallbladder trade in Asia,

775
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of ways that they do it.

776
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: They kill wild bears. There are Asiatic black bears that

777
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: span from Afghanistan to Japan and kind of this like

778
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: crescent moon shaped like thousand mile long rain and there's

779
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot of Asiatic bears and moon bears, you know.

780
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: There's these different versions of ursids that are in Asia,

781
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: and they'll kill wild bears and just extract the gallbladder.

782
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: But more so they have bile farms in those places

783
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: where they'll have and I'm pretty sure today it's illegal

784
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: in every country in the world to have a bear

785
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: bile farm, but it's so deeply entrenched in some of

786
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: the cultures that it's not as enforced, and it's kind

787
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: of like blind eyes turned to it because it's not

788
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: like something that popped up in the eighties and they're doing.

789
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: This is stuff that's been going on for thousands of years,

790
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: just like deeply entrenched into into these cultures, you know.

791
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: And and basically they'll have you know, like dog kennels

792
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: in its bears, and they have like catheters basically on

793
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: them getting bare bile out and then they sell on

794
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: the black market for all kind of you know it

795
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: just you name it bare byal curate, you know. And

796
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and it's possible that there is some medicinal was it

797
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: you Spencer those telling?

798
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Anthony and I went to the Eastern Black

799
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 5: Bear Workshop twenty twenty three and Dave Garcelis did a

800
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 5: talk on this, and there's kind of some I don't

801
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 5: know if you i'd call it argument, but kind of

802
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 5: a gray area on the ethics of it, because there

803
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 5: actually is some legitimate medicinal value to it, and it

804
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 5: helps helps some people out that wouldn't otherwise have access

805
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 5: to it, and you know, there I think there's he

806
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 5: mentioned that there's actually some farms where they they let them.

807
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 5: You know, they're basically in a zoo, but they're not

808
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 5: locked up all the time, so it's a little bit

809
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 5: better than just being an a dog kil the whole time.

810
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: And they'll actually train them to walk in and they

811
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: have the catheter and they kind of get up. I

812
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 5: don't know, that's kind of up to your own interpretation.

813
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: Whether that's I think, but yeah, yeah, there's kind of

814
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: that moral dilemma because you know, on one hand, and

815
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: you've got bears in captivity, they're basically being farmed for

816
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: the sole purpose of extracting this bile. But then on

817
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: the other hand, it could be argued that those bill

818
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: farms are one of the reasons why the wild population

819
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: hasn't had such of a hit, because the demand hasn't

820
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: really gone anywhere, It hasn't really changed that much. The

821
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: question is what where's it being sourced from, And so

822
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: it's kind of one of those like lesser of two

823
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: evils thing. You could sort of make an argument for

824
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: either one. I'm not informed enough to really, you know,

825
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: go much further than that, but that was kind of

826
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: the point of Dave's presentation that we saw was like,

827
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: you know, is it really the evil that people make

828
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: it out to be or is it actually you know,

829
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: the lesser of two evils, because there's not really a

830
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: great option either way, right.

831
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: And Man, something like that that's so steeped in the

832
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: culture is interesting to me because I mean America, you know,

833
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: we've had an official country here since seventeen seventy six,

834
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: and we feel like we've been here, you know, we

835
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: just it's like deep root of culture. Man. Some of

836
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: those places over there, like perhaps the country name has

837
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: changed in different things, but I mean those cultures are

838
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: going back thousands of years. And uh. And I'm not

839
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: suggesting that Bareby is something that should be should be

840
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not informed on it enough either.

841
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: It's just interesting. And yesterday, if you know anything else,

842
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: really negative. But yesterday we we we pulled this. It

843
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: felt like you're holding a small water balloon, just this thin,

844
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: thin skin kind of greenish bluish, grayish, and uh, and

845
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: we we poked just the tiniest hole in it and

846
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: you just kind of squeeze it and it would shoot

847
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: out this like kind of glowing liquid. Yeah, like almost

848
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: like neon colored oil. I got some in my coffee.

849
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: I can see in the dark now I.

850
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: Can get you good one in the morning.

851
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Uh No, anyway, Yeah, you don't want to mess around

852
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: with gall bladders. I mean they'll they'll the feds will

853
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: be at your door knocking on your door at three am.

854
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: So glady nukemb is not messing around with gall bladders.

855
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: But you do have to gout a bear, so you

856
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: do have to check them out. But pretty interesting. So anyway,

857
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: great bear spencer, thanks man. The other bear hunter amongst

858
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: us will tell us about your hunt bear. Well, I

859
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: was hunting out of the bear pit which is where

860
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: you killed the bear two years ago with a stone point,

861
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: and I was hunting out of it with the self

862
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: bow that I made the copper head, And yeah, it

863
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: was the same deal. We had a lot of bears

864
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: coming in and then it just started raining acrens and

865
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: they all kind of just disappeared. Bears said acres were

866
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: falling out of trees and bouncing into the bear. They

867
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: were literally white oak acorns bouncing into the pit. Whenever

868
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: the wind would come through. It sounded like a hailstorm.

869
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like cover acrons. But yeah,

870
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: so pretty much all the bears maybe, I mean a

871
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: week before season almost all the big bears were nocturnal

872
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: or just not there. And then just like the day

873
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: before season, there wasn't even a bear in there in

874
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: the daylight. Yeah, so we went in there and there

875
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: was a big sow that we've been keeping track of

876
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: for the last what three or four years, and she

877
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: just has like a real blonde face, so she's real recognizable.

878
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: Never had cubs, but she was big and old and

879
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: she was coming in there pretty consistently. And then there

880
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: were just some other smaller bears. But we went in

881
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: there the first day right at daylight. We sat until

882
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: four didn't see anything, and I was kind of sitting

883
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: on this like little. I had to dig the front

884
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: of the pit out because my bow's ten years. We

885
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: had to do. We had to do a remodel on

886
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: the bear pit. We dug it about probably eight inches deeper, yeah,

887
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: because his bow was longer than mine.

888
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: Granite countertops and ship lap.

889
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: Siding, yeah yeah. We redid the roof. Very tasteful, but

890
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: uh yeah. And so there's kind of like this ledge

891
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: and I was just sitting on that ledge like a

892
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: bench all day. And so I was sitting, you know,

893
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: like this, and I just see a bear head and

894
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: just stick out like literally six feet from me. We

895
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: measured it after it was seventy three inches like roughly.

896
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: I used my bow kind of to measure it, and uh,

897
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: this bear just walks right out in front. So when

898
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: you're in the pit, all you can see, your world

899
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: becomes very triangular. You sat in there for like fourteen

900
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: hours and you're looking at this triangle window, so everything

901
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: around you is black, and then the daylight is like

902
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: right in front of you, and it's it's insulated too

903
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: with with dirt and logs and maw and leaves that

904
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: makes the roof so you can't hear a thing other

905
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: than what's in front of you. Yeah, and so bears

906
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: typically coming from behind you, so they just appear just

907
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: like just right there, you know. Yeah, And I mean

908
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: this one just like straight up just appeared. There was

909
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: no warning at all. It was just there was a bear.

910
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean it appeared so quick my heart rate didn't

911
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: even go up. It was just like old, dang, there's

912
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: a big bear, shooter bear. I mean I could I

913
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: could have poked on my bow and it stood there

914
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: probably six foot from us. We've got this on a

915
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: Moultrie trail cam video. Yeah, it's a cool video. And so,

916
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: Lauren Malten, I'm I happened to be interrupting you a lot.

917
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for that. Lauren Malton cameraman for me either

918
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: was in the in the blind with bear filming, but

919
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: this happened so quick and then the bear just like

920
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: looked at them. They couldn't turn the camera on. So

921
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: but we did capture this moment on the Moultrie video

922
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: had it on video mode out there. Yeah, So, and

923
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: it was tough finished the story. At this point, we'd

924
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: sat like ten hours, so we were kind of just

925
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: like numb to everything that was around because we've been

926
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: looking at the same thing for ten hours. When you

927
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: close your eyes, do you see a triangle light? Yeah,

928
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm dreaming about Yeah, that's all I could see now.

929
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: But so, yeah, we were just kind of it's hard

930
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: to just stay alert for fourteen hours. But this bear

931
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: just pops out six foot from us, and it stands

932
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: there and kind of just like looks around and looks

933
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: right into the bear pit and just like looks right

934
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: at me. And I'm still sitting the exact same way

935
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: I was before. Because it was so close, I couldn't

936
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: move that bear thought that it was a bear's kindergarten

937
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: picture exactly. And so I'm just sitting there like this,

938
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: just looking that bear right in the eyes, and it

939
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: sees two dudes in there, and it's like what on earth?

940
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 1: And it took off. It went out of like twenty

941
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: yards and sat down. But it took off. We couldn't

942
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: get a shot at it. And uh, we sit for

943
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: another hour and then we hear something, this time real loud,

944
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: sounded like breathing. So I get on my knees, get ready,

945
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: and sure enough, just like a bare head just sticks

946
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: out on the left side. But immediately it's looking in,

947
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: so it must have smelled us or it knew we

948
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: were there trying to take a peek. Yeah, it just

949
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: it didn't come around. You know. The big one came

950
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: around and looked around, then looked at the bare pit.

951
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: This one immediately just turned its head straight into the pit,

952
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: saw us, and it was two just yearlings, and there's

953
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: another one back behind it, and they saw us and

954
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: took off. So that was pretty discouraging, just having two

955
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: bears come in and not being able to Yeah, they

956
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: just you know, the second one just knew we were there.

957
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: The big one. The shooter just looked right in, saw

958
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: us and took off. We sat for the rest of

959
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: the day, didn't see anything. Let's talk about the strategy

960
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: of the bare pick, because a lot of people have

961
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: asked me, like, why did we do that? Uh huh.

962
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: The The whole purpose of the bear pit was to

963
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: get a five to eight yard shot at a bear

964
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: from the ground, because shooting primitive equipment like the year

965
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: I built it, I was shooting a stone point out

966
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: of a traditional bow, and I did not want to

967
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: shoot out of a tree stand because I knew I

968
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: was gonna probably not get an exit wound and I

969
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: didn't want to and I knew it had to be close.

970
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna shoot it at thirty yards, so I

971
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna be shooting straight down at some bear,

972
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: and I didn't want an entry hole way up here,

973
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: and it'd be hard to track. So I just was thinking,

974
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: how could I shoot a bear like I really honestly

975
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot it at five yards with a bow,

976
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: and that's all I could think of was a pit.

977
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: And I also felt like it could help with scent

978
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: if the wind was blowing into the pit and we

979
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: covered the pit with dirt, and I think it I

980
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: think it helps. It's not fool proof obviously because there's moles,

981
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: but that you know, and I mean, the wind can

982
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: swirl and roll out. But like for instance, with that

983
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: the bear that I killed and the bear, the big

984
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: one that came in on you that first day, it worked. Yeah,

985
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: they didn't smell us. They just got right in front

986
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: and saw you.

987
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was another thing I was going to

988
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: add about the difference between the two locations. We were

989
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: in a ladder stand and so you know, you're up

990
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: off the ground, and the wind never stayed out of

991
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: the same direction. It swirled the entire time. It would

992
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: be in your face one minute and be at your

993
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 2: back the next. And I think that made a difference too,

994
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: because the yearlings that we saw, they didn't actually even

995
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: come into the bait, and they came from directly down

996
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 2: wind from us. And so I have no doubt in

997
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: my mind that, like I said, either the same bear

998
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: or those two different bears smelled us before they even

999
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: got to the bait. And so you know, that little

1000
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: thing might have been the difference between the bear smelling

1001
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: you possibly too late, after you've already gotten a shot

1002
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: or smelling you on the front end, and you never

1003
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 2: knew it was there.

1004
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how. That's the reason that big bears it's

1005
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: hard to kill, really big bears on bait. There is

1006
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: no shortage of people really anywhere you can bait bears.

1007
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm talking about Arkansas. Everybody's got pictures

1008
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: of big bears. Do you talk to anybody and they're like, man,

1009
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: you ought to see this bear and they show you

1010
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: some picture of a four hundred to five hundred pound

1011
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: bear and they're like, we can't kill him. And it's

1012
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: because of that very reason is that those bears know

1013
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: they know the game one hundred percent, and so they

1014
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: you just never see them. I mean, they come in

1015
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: down wind, they smell you, they don't come into the

1016
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: bait while you're there. Now, the anomaly of that is,

1017
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: first of all, younger bears will sometimes come in even

1018
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: if they smell you. Number one, number two, some percentage

1019
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: of bears, I don't know. I don't know if it's

1020
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: in a month, four days out of the month, that

1021
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: big giant bear just would ignore his nose and come

1022
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: in anyway, or if it's bears, or if it's like

1023
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: one out of eight bears, no matter if he's five

1024
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: hundred pounds or three hundred pounds, just ignores his nose

1025
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: and comes in. Because that's why I kept telling Anthony

1026
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: was telling me the wind was swirling. I was like, man,

1027
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll see a big one out there at fifty

1028
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: sixty yards smelling you, and he'll sit there and eventually,

1029
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: like right at dark, he'll just come in anyway, you know,

1030
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: But most of them don't do that. So you know,

1031
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to catch that anomaly, you know. So the

1032
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: wind is the wind is tough. Yeah, And so the

1033
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: second day we go in right at dark or right

1034
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: at daylight. Planning was sit till dark and we were

1035
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: actually we were making bets on when the we were

1036
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: going to see our first bear. And the first guess,

1037
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Lauren's guess, was eight am. And we didn't see a

1038
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: bear pretty much all day, and so, like you know,

1039
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: we kept getting along. We're like, okay, maybe noon, Yeah,

1040
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: well okay, well when's it going to come in now? Yeah?

1041
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: Eleven the time, and uh, anyway, so we do that

1042
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: all day, don't see anything, right, and then you know,

1043
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: obviously my final bet was one's going to come in

1044
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: right at dark and uh.

1045
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the only.

1046
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: And so, uh the last hour of daylight, I was

1047
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: just sitting on my knees, ready to ready to shoot,

1048
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: just because I could. I couldn't do that for all

1049
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: fourteen hours, but whenever I had like a deadline, I

1050
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: knew I could do. The trouble forgive me for in erupting.

1051
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: Uh the trouble. The trouble with sitting in that blind

1052
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: is you can't hear or see anything, and the bear

1053
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: just appears. And the bear that I killed, I was

1054
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: like I learned that you just had to like almost

1055
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: be in shooting position, just just ready, you know, during

1056
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: prime time.

1057
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 6: Even when there was nothing that you knew, nothing was

1058
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 6: even out.

1059
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: And it's taxing because you're just like because you know,

1060
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: if your boat there's a little hanger in there, if

1061
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: you like hang your bow and have all kind of relaxed,

1062
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: and then when he steps out at five feet, I

1063
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: mean you got to grab your boat, get situated, turn

1064
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: and shoot. It's like too late. So bar did what

1065
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: he should have done, just like be ready. Yeah, So

1066
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: for the last hour I was just sitting there on

1067
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: my knees with my bow and at seven I think

1068
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: it was like seven twenty three, so that would have

1069
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: been like fifteen minutes until it was totally dark. It

1070
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: uh like twenty minutes. I look out in front and

1071
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: I just see a black blog moving towards us. So

1072
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: we kind of got lucky that it came out of

1073
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: the front of it, popping out right in front. Yeah. Yeah,

1074
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: And so I got ready, I got situated, and as

1075
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: it gets closer, I could see it's that big sow

1076
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: and she comes around kind of on the right side,

1077
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: which wasn't ideal because you know, we were trying to

1078
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: get it on a camera and the right side was

1079
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: kind of a blind spot where I could see but

1080
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: Lauren couldn't. And she goes and sniffs a GoPro that

1081
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: we had, and she kind of like sticks her left

1082
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: arm in front and was just like perfect shot. But

1083
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: she was just so calm. She didn't even look in

1084
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: the pit, even though she'd seen two dudes in there

1085
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: of the day before. She just yeah, she just kind

1086
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: of sniffed the GoPro and but she was so calm.

1087
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: I figured she was just gonna walk right in. We

1088
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: were going to get a good you know, everything was

1089
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: going to be just broadside, all in the center, you know.

1090
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: But about the time I passed up that shot, she

1091
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: turns and looks in the pit and sees us and

1092
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: turns just totally away from us. Her butt's facing me.

1093
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: And at this point, i'm, you know, imposition, and I

1094
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: draw back, and she's walking away at this point, and

1095
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: I just kind of whistle at her. I just kind

1096
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: of do something like that, and she stops out there

1097
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: at maybe like ten yards and quarters. You know, she

1098
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: was facing totally away from me, and she turned and

1099
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: looked back, and in my mind, I felt like she

1100
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: was a lot more. It's like a lot what lot's wife? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1101
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: come back? Yeah, And uh, I felt like she was

1102
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot more.

1103
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: What's that that can get you too?

1104
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: I felt like she was a lot more broadside than

1105
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: she really was. But you know, I was at full draw,

1106
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: and I mean it was just like split second that

1107
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: I had to make a decision to shoot or not.

1108
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: And so I shot her, and the at like ten

1109
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: yards and I couldn't really tell where my arrow hit.

1110
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: I could just I saw it sticking out, you know,

1111
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: more than I would have liked it to been sticking out,

1112
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: And I thought it might have been a little low

1113
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: and so, and it ran off, went like forty yards

1114
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: out there and stopped, and I thought she was about

1115
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: to tip over, you know, if I made a good shot.

1116
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: Seems like usually on a bear, if you just yeah

1117
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: double on them, they don't go far. And she stops

1118
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: there at forty yards and then takes off again, and

1119
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: I felt sick because I kind of figured I made

1120
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: a bad shot on her. And we watched the video

1121
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: and it was just it was too hard to really tell.

1122
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: But what I could tell is that she was definitely quartering.

1123
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: It was a lot steeper angle than I thought, and

1124
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: it probably like if I did it again, I probably

1125
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have taken the shot. Just it was in that

1126
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: moment everything just felt a little better. And I was

1127
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: on my fold there for fourteen hours, yeah, waiting for that.

1128
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: He was a split second, and it was like literally

1129
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: it was a split second of either you shoot or

1130
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: she gets away and I shot and anyway, so I

1131
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: was not feeling good about it at all, and I

1132
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: actually I thought I might have just hit her like

1133
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: right in the back of the leg and at such

1134
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: a steep angle, like two inches off is a totally

1135
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: different shot. Yeah, like it just and so it looked

1136
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: like I just hit her, maybe right in the back

1137
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: of the leg or just barely clipped her. And so

1138
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: I thought, I really thought that. Well when he called

1139
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: me and he said, I shot the bear, I don't

1140
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: think it's a great shot. And you know, the luxury

1141
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: of having a camera in the in the stand with

1142
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: you filming the shot was big, and he he was

1143
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: actually able to send me a video of the shot.

1144
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: And I didn't think it was a mortal hit. I

1145
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: thought he just kind of like, H hit it in

1146
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: the leg, to be honest with you, and H and

1147
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: I said, well, hey, y'all just stay in the pit,

1148
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: and it was dark by now, and I said, I'll

1149
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 1: ride Izzy up there, and you know that'll be forty

1150
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 1: it'll take me an hour to get there, and we'll see.

1151
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: I felt like we were just gonna kind of do

1152
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: some due diligence and be like, this bear's not hurt. Yeah,

1153
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: And whenever I went and looked like right where I

1154
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: shot her, immediately there's blood. But I tracked it for

1155
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen yards, and it like in that fifteen yards

1156
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: it started out real hot, but like immediately started to

1157
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, it was like looking for little spots

1158
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: and I was just like, that's it. Yeah, she's got

1159
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: an arrow in her leg. And I was that's never

1160
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: the feeling you would have after a shot. And so

1161
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: we sat in the baar pit waited for you to

1162
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: get up there uneasy, and we start tracking it and

1163
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: there's pretty consistent blood, but it kind of still doesn't

1164
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: look great, just looks like a like a flash wound.

1165
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1166
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: We just keep waiting for it to to piddle out,

1167
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: and man, it doesn't. It just keeps getting It doesn't

1168
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: really get better, but it just stays really solid. And

1169
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: and and we we tracked the bear for i'd say

1170
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty yards. Yeah, and it it the bear.

1171
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: Anytime you're tracking an animal, man and the animals trending downwards,

1172
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in hilly and mountainous train. I

1173
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: kept waiting for that bear to turn and go up

1174
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: because that's just where that's the place, that's where they

1175
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: want to go, and that area is up and uh,

1176
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: and it just kept kind of trending down and I

1177
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: was like, huh, this bear just kind of keeps going

1178
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,479
Speaker 1: down and uh, we found the arrow. Found the about

1179
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: one hundred yards and it got maybe a foot of penetration,

1180
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: and but it was a pretty it was a good

1181
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: arrow set up, real heavy broadhead, real sharp broadhead thanks

1182
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: to Anthony sharpening it. But it uh yeah, it got

1183
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: like a foot of penetration and darrow didn't break somehow.

1184
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: But so it kind of started to like at that point,

1185
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I killed the bear.

1186
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: But then when we found the arrow and the blood,

1187
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: just like kept staying consistent, started thinking maybe it, you know,

1188
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: we might walk up on it. Yeah, and anyway, we

1189
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: we trailed that bear walking full speed. I mean we

1190
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: never even stopped, there was that much blood. But and so,

1191
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, I I was optimistic.

1192
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 6: At what point did after from did you start feeling

1193
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 6: a little better about it?

1194
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: Well?

1195
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: Found we never felt better about it. I just kept

1196
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: thinking this is about to end. Yeah, And then finally

1197
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: bear looks up and he goes, there's the bear and uh,

1198
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: I actually I actually it's silly, but I had my

1199
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: knife out because I didn't bring my pistol or bear

1200
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: spray or anything. And I told him, I said, this

1201
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: bear could be alive, you know, I told him to Yeah.

1202
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: Actually right before bow I'm strung and I said, dude,

1203
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: string that bow and anyway, yeah, yeah, And it actually

1204
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: was a great shot for the for the steep angle

1205
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: that it was. He hit it like in the one

1206
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: spot he would have killed. He just tucked it, I

1207
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: mean just right behind the shoulder and it was a

1208
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: little far forward to actually get the heart, but the

1209
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: era went up in and and got a major artery

1210
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: up and you know, north of the heart basically. Yeah,

1211
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: And I mean it ended up being a very difficult shot.

1212
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: It just kind of threaded the needle. So good job.

1213
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: I told him, you really shouldn't be shooting the stuff

1214
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: that steep quartering. Yeah, definitely. I definitely would not take

1215
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: that shot again. And I'll say, like, of all the

1216
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: animals that I've ever made a bad shot on, I

1217
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: think that might have been like the first time I've

1218
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: ever gotten the benefit of the doll. Yeah. Well, we

1219
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: were your mother, your grandmother, me, We were all praying

1220
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: that it would happen, so for sure, Well it was.

1221
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: And then we we got the bear out. We uh,

1222
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: you want to get that that thing beeping. We have

1223
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: a we have an inReach message. I'll tell you what.

1224
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: Whatever the message is, we'll share it with you. So

1225
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: we uh, that animal had an incredible amount of fat.

1226
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: So we harvested all the fat, all the meat, carried

1227
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: it out and yesterday we spent most of the day

1228
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: rendering bear grease and we got how many jars? Twenty

1229
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: four pints? All right, I bet an acre hits Is

1230
01:06:49,400 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: that here, truck? Josh, it'll be a brief pause. It's

1231
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: from Misty.

1232
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 6: We'll be back after going to send you a text.

1233
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 6: Oh once she gets out here. Okay, great, that was

1234
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 6: the message.

1235
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: So we rendered twenty four pints of bear grease. What

1236
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: do you guys think of the bear grease rendering?

1237
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: It was very interesting, really interesting. It was funny telling

1238
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: the camera, well, it looks like bear killed a bear

1239
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: in the bear pit. But it was cool, man. I

1240
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: was like, and that was one of the things that

1241
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to do here was to see a bear

1242
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: killed mine or somebody else's and just see the process

1243
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: from from that point of that perspective, you know, just

1244
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: to to make me a better rounded biologist. And you know,

1245
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: at some point that's what we hope happens, is we

1246
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: have a bear season in Mississippi, and so you know,

1247
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: if I've equipped myself to know what that process is like,

1248
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: and have learned about it, then that's going to make

1249
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 2: me able to make better decisions, you know, down the road.

1250
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 2: So be a part of the process and and seeing

1251
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: specifically the rendering and then you know the different cuts

1252
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: that you made, the different cuts of meat, and and

1253
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: like the whole process was was That's exactly what I

1254
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: set out to do.

1255
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 4: It was not as difficult as I anticipated either, watching

1256
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 4: y'd render that.

1257
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's really it's really simple.

1258
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely gonna have to kill a fat bear next time.

1259
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Yeah, Well, Anthony, we we indoctrinated you on

1260
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: the way of the unsuccessful bear hunter. So now you'll

1261
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: be able to you'll be able to identify.

1262
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 2: Make me appreciate people.

1263
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, well, now this really.

1264
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 3: Is We forgot about Spencer's real story.

1265
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're going to talk about that. Yeah, I've

1266
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: been waiting.

1267
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 4: The story the first night.

1268
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: The first night, Oh, I forgot about that. Lie tell it,

1269
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 1: tell us, make it, make it. We're we're we're running

1270
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: low on time here. But this, yeah, we should have

1271
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: started with this. I I'm sorry, I keep well, I

1272
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: was just kid.

1273
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1274
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 5: So the I talked about the first day I went

1275
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 5: out there late. I think it was like noon thirty

1276
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 5: or so, and I saw the bear I wanted. I

1277
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 5: didn't want that day, but later wanted at four. And

1278
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 5: then it gets around the last bar.

1279
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: I was about to close, all right.

1280
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 5: It gets around the last light, and I'm thinking maybe

1281
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 5: something else will come in. So I'm getting ready, and

1282
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 5: you know, I'm sitting there standing up with my bow,

1283
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,839
Speaker 5: and it's I'm looking to the right of the stand

1284
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 5: just in case something comes from somewhere else then where

1285
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 5: I saw that bear from, and it kind of catch

1286
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 5: something out of the corner my eye. I was just like,

1287
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 5: you know, half second of trying to register what it was. Oh,

1288
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 5: deer's walking in. Go watch this deer. And I look

1289
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 5: up and there's just kind of this tan figure walking

1290
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 5: real smooth, not slow but not fast, kind of across

1291
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 5: this this game trail about forty yards from the stand,

1292
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 5: and I get to looking closer and it's got this

1293
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 5: long swooping tail behind it, and that there's a mountain

1294
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Speaker 5: lion just crossing up there on the hill. Brent loves

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Speaker 5: to tell I'll let you tell the next one.

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Speaker 6: Oh man, this is a classic. Our host Gerald Brewer

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 6: was here. Josh was here messing around, and me and

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Speaker 6: and me and Spencer, everybody else was out hunting. They

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Speaker 6: walked away and Spencer said, I took video of that bear.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna show it to you. And he's standing behind me,

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Speaker 6: and I'm sitting there holding my phone or his phone,

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Speaker 6: and I'm sitting there holding and looking at this bear

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Speaker 6: and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, you know, that's a pretty good bear.

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Speaker 6: And out of the blue, Spencer behind me says, y'all,

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Speaker 6: y'all have a mountain lions here, and you know, I'm like, yeah,

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01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 6: you know, they're they're around. And I thought, what an

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01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 6: odd question. I thought, Now, why would he ask me

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Speaker 6: that when I'm looking at this bear? And I turned

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Speaker 6: around and looked at him, and his eyeballs are this

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Speaker 6: bear around? He said, I just saw one ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell you, So, I mean he is a

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Speaker 1: well laught by.

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Speaker 4: I knew what I had seen. Yeah, but if he

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Speaker 4: told me no.

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Speaker 3: What percentage would it have dropped?

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Speaker 4: If he told you, we wouldn't have changed what I thought.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't change what you said.

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Speaker 4: I'm a fairly new biologist and your reputation, reputation can

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Speaker 4: ruin it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, myself, good or bad. Yeah, I can't believe I

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Speaker 1: didn't bring this up at first. She reminded me, this

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01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: should have been the first thing we talked. I hadn't

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Speaker 1: been able to forget it.

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Speaker 6: I don't know you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, no, No, in all seriousness, I

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent believe you.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you changed your mind.

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Speaker 1: I still think you're a liar. But it wasn't black.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a black panther. No. So I told James

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01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: Lawrence your story and he said, he's a James, he's

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Speaker 1: in his late seventies and and he's seen two and

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Speaker 1: he saw one like this summer right over in the community.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, Oh yeah, yeah, Well he hadn't even told me,

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Speaker 1: he said that. He said, I hadn't told many people this,

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Speaker 1: but you.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't believe me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, So I just want to be scrutinized a

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Speaker 1: BYuT uklay. But uh, oh it did. It didn't surprise

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Speaker 1: him at all. He was like, oh, yeah, I saw one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, go in any rural community and ask some

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Speaker 1: body if they've seen him outline, and you're going to

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01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: find somebody that says that. So that's not always the

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Speaker 1: way to determine if the story is true. But uh

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Speaker 1: but uh, I think they're here.

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Speaker 2: And if he's had a song written about him, that's

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Speaker 2: got to lend a little credibility to him.

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Speaker 1: James Lawrence. Yeah, yeah, Well it's been great to host

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Speaker 1: you guys. It really has been a lot of ton

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Speaker 1: of fun.

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Speaker 5: So I can't tell you how much I appreciate it,

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Speaker 5: even even if you did garhold happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, time happily gar hoold yep.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh anything else, guys, Nope, close her down. Well,

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Speaker 1: keep the wild places wine that's where the bears.

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Speaker 6: Live, and the poolas and the point line from Puma

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Speaker 6: point

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Speaker 1: H