1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily would 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: meet your girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: You know, I am really tired of folks like Bill Maher, 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: like Barry Weiss, like Joe Rogan, and many many others 5 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: who have these huge media platforms, millions, hundreds of millions, 6 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: tens of millions of people following, watching, retweeting, sharing the 7 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: shit that these people say, when in fact, they have 8 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: absolutely no care or thought to how their words are 9 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: affecting or infecting our toxic political climate. So, for instance, 10 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Bill Maher went on his show as well as onto 11 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: the view, lamenting about how exhausted he is from COVID, 12 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,639 Speaker 1: how it just needs to be done. Barry Weiss talked 13 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: about how, you know, clearly the vaccines. You know, they 14 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: told us that we were just going to be able 15 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: to go back to normal once we got them, and 16 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: that's not the case. So you know, fuck it, I'm 17 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: done with COVID or you know, Joe Rogan and his bullshit. Right, 18 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: and you have folks, I guess one hundred and fifty 19 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: or some odd doctors, medical professionals, nurses have all signed 20 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: on to a letter sending to Spotify, which is the 21 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: host of the platform host for Joe Rogan Show, to say, 22 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: we're not telling you to take him off the air, 23 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: but we are saying, is what are you doing right 24 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: to combat this misinformation? Like what kind of warnings can 25 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: you produce before his show or after his show or 26 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: book end to make sure that their people can go 27 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: to an actual professional and actual medical expert to get 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: their medical advice from as opposed to this man, I 29 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: cannot believe, you know, it always pisses me off. And initially, folks, 30 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I thought that it was just like jealousy, right, 31 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: like what is it that these people are doing? Why 32 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,559 Speaker 1: they command so much attention and have so many followers, 33 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: and you know, what is it that I need to 34 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: do in order to get to that space? Because for me, 35 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: building a platform and building up a following has never 36 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: been a sadly right because I guess I'm just not 37 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: motivated by capitalism. Has never been about making the most money. 38 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: There are plenty of things that I can do that 39 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't be this right, but it has always been about 40 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: the fact that I believe that I want people to 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: be as informed as possible. Want folks to make informed decisions. 42 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: I want an informed and activated citizenury. But then there 43 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: are other people that get into this work under the 44 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: guise of politics or under the guise of having a 45 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, adding to the public discourse, but that they're 46 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: truly just about entertainment and dollars, right. And maybe it's 47 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: because I've never had the access to that kind of 48 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: platform or dollars that I'm not driven by that. But 49 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: there must be some responsibility, some accountability right for people 50 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: who do have that kind of access and abuse it. 51 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, I watched it, and if you haven't seen it, 52 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: you should, And it was sent to me by one 53 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: of my followers, the clip of Barry Weiss on the 54 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: Bill Mars Show, you know, and I just was so 55 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: fucking pissed off when I was watching it. And you know, 56 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: I get it, folks, and Jonathan and I will talk 57 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: about this later in the show. I get it. I'm 58 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: fucking tired. I just said to a friend, I like, 59 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to cook anymore. But I have been 60 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: staying home because I decided that until you know, New York, 61 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: until New York City was in a more stabilized place 62 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: where I felt comfortable. I wasn't getting on public transportation. 63 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to dine indoors, and I wasn't going 64 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: to you know, go into situations and places that required 65 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: me to take my mask off or be around a 66 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: lot of people. That is unnecessary. Right, So for me, 67 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 1: it's I have access to a wonderful studio, but until 68 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: I feel safe taking the train every single day with 69 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: you know a bunch of strangers who you do not 70 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: know what their protocol is. It's mandatory in New York 71 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: to wear a mask on public transit, but most people, 72 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: at least the last time that I was taking the train, 73 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: which was well over a month and a half ago, 74 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: people were abiding by that. But then you have those 75 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: folks that either don't wear a mask at all or 76 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: wear it as a chin strap still, right, So taking 77 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: having the privilege and ability to move myself out of 78 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: these spaces, you know, is not without its frustrations. You Know, 79 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: there are days when I wake up and I feel 80 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: like we should just have a dedicated hour of every 81 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: single day where we are free to go into the 82 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: street or into your backyard and just fucking scream, right like, 83 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: just get it out, just you know, go out. Everyone's 84 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: doing it at the same time every day at you know, 85 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: at six thirty six thirty wherever the fuck you are, 86 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: six thirty Eastern time because I'm Eastern standard bias. You 87 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: go out and you can just scream. No one's going 88 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: to call the cops, no one's going to look at 89 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: you crazy. It's just like blowing off the steam of 90 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: what it's like to consistently, now two years be living 91 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: in this pandemic where you have people who I want 92 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: to say a majority of which, but I don't think 93 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: it's a majority. I think it's like half are dedicated 94 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: to continuing to do the right thing for themselves and 95 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: for their communities, right, And then you have other people 96 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: that just like Bill Marberry, Wise, Joe Rogan and others 97 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: that just don't give a fuck. Right, because those people 98 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: that are immune, have immune disorders or are they have 99 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: immune systems that are suppressed. Guess what, they don't get 100 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: to throw up their hands and say, oh, well, I'm 101 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: done with COVID because the minute that they are not 102 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: protecting themselves, they're dead. Right, and there are more people 103 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: that are immuno compromised in this country, then you can 104 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: fucking wrap your minds around for various reasons, whether it 105 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: is you know, diabetes, obesity, you know, cancer survivor because 106 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: cancer cancer is rampant, right, hiv age like whatever it is. 107 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: There are so many people that are compromised in some 108 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: way or other. So just to say oh, I'm done, 109 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: you think that the virus then says, oh, okay, well 110 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: that person over there is finished, so I'm not gonna 111 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: infect them. I'm going to go to the other person 112 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: down the street. Like that's not how it fucking works. 113 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: And you know, Frankly, my friend and co host on 114 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Democracy Is said it best in Twitter earlier in the 115 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: week where he was just like, you know, we need 116 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: to also stop referring to these people who act out 117 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: in the most ridiculous and stupid fucking ways as children, 118 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: because he's like, I'm the father of three kids, right 119 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: that are like seven and under, and they wear their masks. 120 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: They don't complain about not being able to play with 121 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: their friends, they don't complain about having to wear a 122 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: mask all day. That they know that they're doing the 123 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: right thing right and so they're able to handle and 124 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: adapt and be more nimble to this shift, this change 125 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: in our societal gatherings in way of being than adults are. 126 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: So like, let's not insult children who genuinely do and 127 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: generally do follow the rules that are put out in 128 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: front of them and say that these adults that can't 129 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: be bothered to do so are acting like children, because 130 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: that's an insult to them. I'm just like, you know, 131 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: even still listening to medical professionals, whether it be on 132 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: TikTok or on cable news, say that people are still 133 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: on their fucking deathbeds refusing ventilators because they were told 134 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: by the likes of somebody who has no fucking MD 135 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: behind their name, right that, or no degree in epidemiology. 136 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: Because let us also be clear that Fox News has 137 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: on a lots of doctors, right, none of them are 138 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: actually virologists, right or epidemiologists. No, they're not. It's like 139 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: going to your dentist and asking them about your heart, 140 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: right Like, that's what it is that they do. And 141 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: so for me right now, it is just the level 142 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: of frustration that I have that I realize that these people. 143 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: I wish that we lived in a country that was 144 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: actually about accountability, that we were going to begin to 145 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: do what other nations are doing which is issuing fines. Right, 146 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: that if you are caught spreading misinformation, that no, it 147 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: isn't just going to be that your band from YouTube 148 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: or Twitter or Facebook, right, or your Instagram account is 149 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: shut down for twenty four hours to give you another 150 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: twenty four hours to come up with a different way 151 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: to spread your bullshit. Right, but that your state or 152 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: the federal fucking government was going to start instituting fines 153 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: against you. And I'm not talking about little fines. I'm 154 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: talking about every time that you pose an infraction, that 155 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: we deem these people as a threat right to national security, 156 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: because you see, this misinformation is an assault on our bill, 157 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: on our public health, and our public health should be 158 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: tied to our security, right, because the more people that 159 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: are fucking ill that can't go and teach in a classroom, 160 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: that can't go be flight attendants on the plane that 161 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: can't go pick up your packages and deliver them to 162 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: your home from the factories. The chain right of command 163 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: and supply and production is fucked right now because of this. 164 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: And so you want to talk about these people saying, well, 165 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: we need to, you know, do what's right for the economy. Well, 166 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: what's right for the economy is to ensure that those 167 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: that are working are actually fucking healthy. And if you 168 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: are actively thwarting that, whether it is through a podcast 169 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: and op ed through TikTok's or whatever, you're going to 170 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: be fucking fined. You know, I don't know what state, 171 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: what country it is right now, and so forgive me, 172 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: but I will look it up. But what they have 173 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: done is made it so that folks that are I 174 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: believe it is sixty and above, that for every month 175 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: that you do not get the vaccination or the booster shot, 176 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: you're going to be fined. I think it was something 177 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: like two hundred and fifty or you know, maybe even 178 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: upwards of five hundred dollars, right, And I'm just like, damn, 179 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: imagine how many people would just fucking stop if your 180 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: accounts are being flagged, your shows are being flagged with 181 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: major penalties. And I'm not talking for the Joe Rogans 182 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: of the world that are multimillionaires that are like, oh, 183 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars and they're like, oh, I don't give 184 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: a fuck, or the Marjorie Tailor Greens of the world 185 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: who were getting thousands of dollars of fines on the 186 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: house floor for not following House rules in terms of 187 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: wearing a fucking mask. I'm saying that for people who 188 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: are uber wealthy, hit them majorly. But the everyday person 189 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: right where still in America, a four hundred dollars bill 190 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: can come up that seventy five percent of the population 191 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: can't actually fucking pay. Imagine if you then were being 192 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: hit with four hundred dollars bills every single month or week, 193 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: or every time that you opened your fucking mouth, right, 194 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: what would happen? Imagine how quickly we could nip this 195 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: issue of misinformation in the butt, right, But again, we 196 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: don't do that here, right, because America is afraid of 197 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: the fringe. Right, They're afraid of the twenty five percent, 198 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: and the twenty five percent fucking know it, right and 199 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: are using and honing that fear capitalizing on it because 200 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: they know anti shit going to happen to them, so 201 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: they continue keeping on, to keep on, and I'm saying, 202 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: start to hit people where it fucking hurts, right, Like 203 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: these are the same people who are either spreading misinformation 204 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: on their own pages and their own platforms, right, and 205 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: yet they were collecting the COVID relief money, right Like 206 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: this is like the fuck shit that we live in. 207 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: We're on one hand, you have no problem collecting the 208 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: fun and money right that this administration is putting out, 209 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: but like you should have had to show proof of 210 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: vaccination in order to get that fucking money. Do you 211 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like we need to have if 212 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: we're going to use the carrot and the stick, if 213 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: we're going to say like, oh, well you get a 214 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: free beer with the shot, well, then here's the thing. 215 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: You shouldn't have been able to get access to federal 216 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: moneies unless you actually were able to show proof a 217 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: vaccination for yourself and whoever else is eligible in your household. Right, 218 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Like we need to start actually tying real life consequences, 219 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: because death clearly is not a motivator, right Like the 220 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: possibility of dying, of not being able to get to 221 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: a hospital or being turned away because there aren't enough 222 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: beds clearly is not a deterrent for people still refusing 223 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. And frankly, I think it was put 224 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: up on CNN yesterday that there are still sixty one 225 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: million Americans that refuse to get vaccinated, and there are 226 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: over eighty million Americans that still haven't received their second shot, 227 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: like haven't gone back to go get it. So I'm like, folks, 228 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: what the fuck, right, where are the penalties? Like we 229 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: need to stop just looking for the rewards, right, like oh, 230 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: you get one hundred dollars, so, oh you get an 231 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: Apple gift card, and start looking into what are the 232 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: actual penalties for bad behavior? Because I would have loved 233 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: to see, you know, Bill Maher and his entire show 234 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: and fucking HBO find right for the missation, the misinformation 235 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: and lies that the show told and say so we're 236 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: going to make an example out of you. And now 237 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: these shows that continue to promote false information are going 238 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: to be charged like ten thousand dollars a minute for 239 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: every fucking minute that that show is on the air. 240 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: Like this is the kind of punishments that we need 241 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: to be looking at in order to get to the 242 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: point where eighty percent of the country is vaccinated. Because 243 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: here's the thing, folks, I don't really give a fuck 244 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: about what the optimism that folks are having around the 245 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: fact that so many people have been affected with omicron 246 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: that maybe this is the end of the pandemic. We 247 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck. We don't know. We barely 248 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: know what the fuck we do know? Okay, we are 249 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: learning all of this in real time. So for those 250 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: reporters and folks out there that keep asking stupid fucking 251 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: questions like are we there yet right when we don't 252 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: even know what portion of the trip we're on, the beginning, 253 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: the middle, or the fucking end, it's a stupid question 254 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: to ask because it is more likely that if you've 255 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: been paying attention over the last two years, that there 256 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: will be another fucking variant. And so the questions that 257 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: should be asking is how do we prepare for the inevitable. 258 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: We'll worry about the end when the end actually proves 259 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: itself to be here when we go six seven, eight 260 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: months a year right without following a fucking ticker on 261 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: cable news that is telling us how many people are 262 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: dying a day from a virus that twenty five percent 263 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: of the population still doesn't fucking believe exists. I'm just 264 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm just so tired and so frustrated. And you will 265 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: hear it in my conversation coming up with Jonathan, because 266 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: it's been two years of this conversation, two years of 267 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the same shit, different day, and it's like, I just 268 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: keep thinking about how this was able to happen right 269 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: about how there were no mitigation efforts around the misinformation 270 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: campaign that was run in twenty sixteen on Hillary Clinton, 271 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: on the election, on anything, and so they're just going 272 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: to be able to take this model and adapt it 273 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: to any issue and anything that they want. They've done 274 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: it with critical race theory, they are now doing it 275 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: with don't say gay, They've done it with abortion. Like 276 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: it's just going to keep going and they're going to 277 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: keep winning, and we're all going to be sitting around 278 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: with our fucking hands up, looking up in the air, saying, 279 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: I wonder how this is happening. The question that I 280 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: have is like, when is there going to be a 281 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: campaign that is working on our side? Right? When are 282 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: we going to see the tools and the tactics that 283 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: the radical rabid right has been using a apted for good? 284 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Like where the fuck are those people? Where is that platform? 285 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Where is that pipeline? You know, I had a call 286 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: today and I have to say this that you know, 287 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: I work in a variety of different spaces, and you know, 288 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: for for well over a decade, I have worked in 289 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: movement politics and with think tanks and various media outlets 290 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: on what it means to secure our democracy and expand it, right, 291 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: what it means to create a multiracial democracy. Right that is, 292 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: expands upon the origination of the founding fathers and moves 293 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: into a space of actual equity. And I got to 294 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: tell you that in the conversation we came to the 295 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 1: conclusion that the next several decades, not couple of years, 296 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: not couple of months, but the next several decades in 297 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: America are going to be like nothing we've ever seen before. 298 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: They are going to be some of the darkest, most 299 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: dangerous times. I cannot stress that enough. And many can 300 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: think that I'm being hyperbolic. Oh where's your proof in that, 301 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, open your fucking eyes. Republicans will no doubt 302 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: win midterms. Our government will no doubt grind to a halt. 303 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: They will have all the machinations in place in order 304 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that the twenty twenty four presidential election 305 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: is anything but free or fair. Voter suppression, targeting of 306 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: marginalized communities and those that live at the intersection of 307 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: many of those communities will continue to happen. You will 308 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: see political opponents be slapped with lawsuits and be thrown 309 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: in jail. You will see academics targeted like we are 310 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: seeing with scientists and doctors and nurses and medical professionals. Now, 311 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: things will get much much worse. And if we are 312 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: not planning for what that looks like recognizing that there 313 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: isn't a way to stop this train as an individual 314 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: from going off the tracks, from falling over the cliff, right, 315 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: there isn't. There is only collective action. But we are 316 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: not a part of a party that has a backbone 317 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: that has a warrior not only warrior spirit, but an 318 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: actual strategic war plan about how we succeed. So if 319 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: that is the case, then what are we doing to 320 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: protect ourselves now in the best possible way that we can? Right? 321 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think that we're having those conversations out 322 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: loud enough because we're too afraid of being called crazy, 323 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: a being called hyperbolic, a being called chicken little, Oh 324 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: the sky is falling where they would rather right on 325 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: the television behind me, make little jokes and small talk 326 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: about politics and oh everybody and both sides and this 327 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: that and the other thing, much in the same way 328 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: that the you know, the morning show talk hosts did 329 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: in the in the film, don't look up. Leonardo Dicapri said, 330 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: Everything doesn't need to be so fucking cheery. Everything doesn't 331 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: need to be, you know, a joke or a giggle 332 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: or light. What we are dealing with is existential. It's 333 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: an existential crisis that this country is in. And so 334 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: if we're not willing to say the scary parts out loud, 335 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: then we're not really willing to tackle the problem, are we. 336 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: I wrote a piece that is up on Zora magazine 337 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: right now, the property under medium that you can check out. 338 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: I've tweeted it out and I'll continue to tweet and 339 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: share it across social media. But it's the theme is 340 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: what does it mean to be an American now? To 341 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: be an American right now? When we have no shared values, 342 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: we have no shared path right. Half of the country 343 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: doesn't believe in truth factor science, right. The other half 344 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: of the country believes that these people will come around, 345 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, at some point, who are we right when 346 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: we say that we are American? And like, oh, well, 347 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm an American? What the fuck does that actually mean 348 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: right now? In this climate? And so I pose that 349 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: question to all of you today on today's episode and 350 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,239 Speaker 1: answer me in the comments section or hit me up 351 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: on Twitter or on Instagram. What does it mean to 352 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: be an American to you right now? What does that mean? 353 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: And you know, has it shifted, has it changed? And 354 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: what does that look like? So I'd love to hear 355 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: from all of you in the comments section or on 356 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: social media with the hashtag hashtag woke af Coming up 357 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: next is my conversation with our in house doctor, doctor 358 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel, who is reporting live from Tennessee, where he 359 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: is back in the midst of what he says feels 360 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. He's like, there's just COVID everywhere. So that 361 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: conversation is coming up next. Folks. You know that if 362 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: it is Wednesday, we are in the doctor's office with 363 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, to bring you 364 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: the latest in COVID nineteen. Jonathan, you are now back 365 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee. How are you doing. It's 366 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: an interesting time here. I would just tell you that 367 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: there is a lot of COVID. A lot of people 368 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: don't think it's COVID. They think their pandemic is over, 369 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: but they're getting quite ill. So it's it's intense time. 370 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: We're trying to basically rent a college in the middle 371 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: of a pandemic, like many schools are, and it's definitely 372 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: a challenge. I mean, you can't just ignore it. People 373 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: think you can just ignore it doesn't work that way. 374 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, We've got some people are doing great, some 375 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: people are sick, and we're just trying to balance it 376 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: as best we can. So it's it's challenging, but so far, 377 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: so good. You know. I don't know if you've seen 378 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: the clip that has gone around of Barry Weiss and 379 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: Bill there Bill Maher on his show, but essentially and 380 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: Bill Maher also just got pushed back from Whoopie Goldberg 381 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: about making jokes about COVID and saying, you know, we're 382 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: just all over it. The vaccines clearly don't work, and 383 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: everybody is over it. And this was his refrain that 384 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: he keeps saying with millions and millions of followers, what 385 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: do you say to that to these people who are 386 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: either you know where you are located right now that 387 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: think that if you ignore something it goes away, or 388 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: feel like we're in a position when we are knocking 389 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: on a million people's door of deaths in this country. 390 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: So when they say I'm over it and it's done, 391 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: and we're exhausted and let's just throw our hands up. 392 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: What's your response to that? Well, confidentially, I'm going to 393 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: read a text exchange I had with one of my 394 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: fellow professors. Okay, well, it can't be confidential if it's 395 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: on the show. No, no, no names. Okay, I'm saying, 396 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: I'm not going to divulge who they are. Okay. My 397 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: colleague said, Hi, there, I have a few students at 398 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: this point who are isolating because of COVID and are 399 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: quite symptomatic. What is the strategy? So we talked back 400 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: and forth and I said, you know, make sure they 401 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: stay home zoom if they can, because they're actually quite sick. 402 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: And she said, yeah. All the students had COVID before 403 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: and on our vaxed and boosted and are now sicker 404 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: than they were before, and they're freaking out and I'm 405 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: freaking out. Meanwhile, in the past week, my youngest child 406 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: has been identified as a close contact and my husband 407 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: had to be tested because he was a close contact. 408 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: The school can't handle it, and staff are starting to 409 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: call in sick and they don't have enough teachers. So 410 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how you that's just one thing. Like 411 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: we've got students who are vaccinated, boostered and have had 412 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: COVID and are now quite sick, and schools that can't 413 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: run even if they're in Tennessee where, you know, whatever, 414 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: because they can't get teachers because the teachers are sick. 415 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: So Bill Mark and I can ignore that, you know, 416 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: maybe Bill Maher wants to come teach the class because 417 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: but it's having some very real I mean, you know, again, 418 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: we can put our own narrative on it, but when 419 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: people are really sick and they can't work, that actually 420 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: impacts things. So you know, it's just it's like, on 421 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: one hand, you want to say, yeah, we get it right, 422 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: Like you're not the only person that's over it. You're 423 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: not the only person that wishes and hopes that we 424 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: can go back to quote unquote normal. But it's been 425 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: two years. We know that that's not happening. We know 426 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: that the mitigation methods that have been put in place, 427 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: from the vaccines to the boosters, two wearing masks, two 428 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: remote you know, remote operations, if in fact you can 429 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: do so like is working. So I'm just you know, 430 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: at this point, Jonathan, where we are two years in right, 431 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: and you I just recently listened to Faucia as of 432 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: course everybody has where they are saying that they believe 433 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: amicron has reached its peak, right at least in the 434 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: in the cities where it started, like in New York 435 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: where where I am, In the cities where it started 436 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: and came out aggressively, it has peaked, and it's on 437 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: the decline and the numbers are dropping. Many are saying 438 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: that is this the end of the pandemic? Do you 439 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: even think that we're in a position to be having 440 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: that conversation, being as how this is the third major 441 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: variant since twenty twenty. We have no idea. That's the 442 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: terrified thing. We have no idea, Like we can put 443 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: our narrative on top of this. As much as we 444 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: have no idea what's happening, we have no idea what 445 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: it's going to be like in a year. I certainly 446 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: think that having a variant that gave a lot of 447 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: people exposure to the virus that was non that was 448 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: largely non lethal for people who were vaccinated, that was 449 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: probably not the worst thing in the world to happen. 450 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: But we have no idea there could be a new 451 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, velasco raptor a new Terrontosaurus rexam maximus or 452 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: something like that, Like we have no idea what's coming, 453 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: and so it's kind of like again, cavemen are like, man, 454 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: we've been dealing with dinosaurs for fifty years. Now enough dinosaurs. 455 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: We're going to go outside and we're just gonna have 456 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: a picnic or something like that. It's great to it's great. Good, Yeah, 457 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: it's great if you say that. But t Rex doesn't 458 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: care or he just wants to eat people, and so 459 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: that's the same thing. Like at this point, having a 460 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: little humility is better. I mean, no disrespect to Bill Maher. 461 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: If he can stop the virus from mutating, I'm all 462 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: for it. You know, what is really troubling to me 463 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: is one that I know that Bill Maher and Barry 464 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: Weiss that their comments are pervasive, right, And it's this 465 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: kind of negligence and dismissiveness about the virus that I 466 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: think is just as dangerous as the virus itself. But 467 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: what is troubling me, Jonathan, is that latest polls, I 468 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 1: think it was NBC News poll this week, say that 469 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: of Americans no longer trust the CDC, right, that their 470 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: feelings with regard to what the CDC is saying around 471 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: COVID and what they should be doing. They no longer trust. 472 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: What do you make of that? And how this administration 473 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: needs to be tackling the trust and transparency issue That 474 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: the CDC, even after Trump was gone, has messed up themselves, right, 475 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: like has put their own foot in their mouth. It's 476 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: not even about having an administration that was lying on 477 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: them that they have had significant missteps that have caused 478 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: this decline in trust. Well, I mean, I don't know 479 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: for sure. I would guess that the CDC was great 480 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: at I mean, first of all, the CDC was undermined. 481 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: We kind of took it for granted for a long time. 482 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: But the CDC was not great at the challenge we're 483 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: facing now, which is an evolving, continually changing threat where 484 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: scientific consensus is fleeting and the knowledge is really it's 485 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: almost like a real time kind of deal where there's 486 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: a new variant, there's a new thing. And so I mean, 487 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: I think that countries that have mobilized a strong public 488 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: health infrastructure, you know politics aside. I read the Israeli 489 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: newspaper every single morning because I figure, you know, they 490 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: have a functioning thing I read a lot of the 491 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: European countries, you know, even New Zealand now, how they're 492 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: dealing with it. Everybody's dealing with the same problem. But 493 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: if you have a kind of vibrant, functioning public health infrastructure. 494 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: I thought that the head of the CDC we made 495 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: a really good point the other day, which is our 496 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: public health infrastructure is not set up to face the 497 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: challenge we're having right now. So the CDC themselves are 498 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: admitting it. You know, doctor Lenski basically just said, you know, absolutely, 499 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: we need to change the way that we get knowledge 500 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: out We needed the way. We need to change the 501 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: way we get data. So it's not like there's some mystery. 502 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: They recognize that. Also, it's just that, you know, again 503 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: like if we're dealing with like polio and smallpox diseases 504 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: that we thought we had overcome but some people want 505 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: them to come back, then they were great about that, 506 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: a kind of sitting target with a long peer review 507 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: process data gathering. But right now the virus changes and 508 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: we have to change right away, and things like that, 509 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: and not everybody knows and so things like that. So 510 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: the CC is really kind of a relic of an 511 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: environment that wasn't as politically contested and an environment where 512 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: the virus wasn't mutating as quickly as this one. And so, 513 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, but at this stage in the game, right, 514 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: we know that this current administration, this is one of 515 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: the things that they are running on right for midterms, 516 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: is they're dealing with the vaccine rollout and they're dealing with, 517 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, the mitigation efforts around COVID, except it hasn't 518 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: worked right, and there are more people in hospitals now 519 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: than we're in twenty twenty. There have been more deaths 520 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: now than there were in twenty twenty when this came about. 521 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: So what is the conversation here? What is the what 522 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: is the thing that they can say right or do 523 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: two years in? You know, it's humility. Honestly, I don't 524 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: know if COVID I just drank some coffee, but it's humility. 525 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: It's humility, right because we're facing I mean, COVID. Humility 526 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: would probably be the best thing for our country right now. 527 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: We don't know all the answers. We were again, we 528 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: were kicking deltas, but if it was just the delta variant, 529 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: we would be done by now. The vaccines were completely effective. 530 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: We could have dined indoors, we could have done whatever 531 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: we wanted. That that ain't That ain't the world we're 532 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: living in right now. And so the virus just changed 533 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: the rules, and it changed the rules in ways that 534 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: if you did modeling for the statistical likelihood of a 535 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: variation that looked like omicron, you wouldn't have been able 536 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: to do it like it was. The virus is outthinking us, 537 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: it's outperforming us. And so I guess the issue is 538 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: look at places that are just like doing, like Florida 539 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: or the Bill Marshall, and you'll see and you'll see 540 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: that it's not like they're coming out of it any 541 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: better in a certain kind of way. And so I 542 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: think some kind of humility, like, man, we don't have 543 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: all the answers right now, we're doing our best. Let's 544 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: all join together, that kind of thing. Um. You know, 545 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: I think that. I think that, Um. I think that's 546 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: a I think that that's going to be the issue, 547 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: because again, this thing's going to keep changing in ways 548 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: we can't anticipate. You know, I just don't think that 549 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: there is going to be humility. I don't think that, 550 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: Like I don't, we don't even have empathy, you know, 551 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: like I just and all of these things are needed 552 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: in order to be able to muster through something together 553 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: as a collective, as a community, right, But we're not. 554 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: We're so divided and with forty percent of people not 555 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: even now trusting the CDC. If there is a new variant, 556 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure there will be, I don't know 557 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: why there wouldn't be, right, Like, I don't even understand 558 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: why journalists are asking questions two doctors and medical professionals about, 559 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, is this it? Are we done? As if 560 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to articulate, yes, absolutely, we're finished. 561 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: You all, can you know, burn your masks and like 562 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: go back to doing what you were doing in twenty 563 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: nineteen and forget about the last couple of years. One 564 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: of the things that again is not being spoken about 565 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot, and I like to bring this up when 566 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: I have you on is the emotional aspect of COVID 567 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: and the fact that suicides are on the rise. How 568 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: do you think that we should be having those conversations 569 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: about the other ramifications around COVID, which are one the 570 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: fact that we don't have conversations about long COVID and 571 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: I just saw a tweet from somebody who said, I've 572 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: been working out every day of my life since high 573 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: school and now I can't walk up the stairs. And 574 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: this is uh weeks past when I when I initially 575 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: got COVID, and I'm really getting concerned. And then you 576 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: have other people that are in emotional and mental distress 577 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: with suicides being on the rise. So how do we 578 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: have the conversations about the other ramifications of COVID that 579 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: aren't really you know, um attached to the attached to 580 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: the virus itself. Well, let me ask, what would those 581 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: conversations do. I mean, I think we need to have 582 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: those conversations. I'm just saying that at the core of 583 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: it is that we is that we're going outside every 584 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: day is a risk the way it's never been before. 585 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: So we're living in a really risky world right now, 586 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: and there's so much change, there's so much despair. And 587 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: then I mean, I'm an optimistic person, I'm like fucking 588 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: bummed out about all the political dysfunction, the rise of 589 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm I worry every night that um 590 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: that the Republicans are going to win the midterms and 591 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: then they're going to like decertify the Arizona election results, 592 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: and our whole system is going to collapse, like like 593 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: political instability, you know, Putin reading the Putin of course, dude, 594 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: what we really need in the middle of this is 595 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: like war and made another country. That's exactly what everybody wants. Um. 596 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: So it's just like it's just like there's the thing itself, 597 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: which sucks. Um. And then uh, and the thing sucks 598 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: right long, COVID sucks, but also just COVID itself sucks. 599 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: How it tribalizes, how it everything it's it's doing, and 600 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: so and then and then just it's just a you know, 601 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: it's like a party for a holes in terms of 602 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: just who gets to you know, who rises to the 603 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: top at a moment like this. Um, it's it's not 604 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: our best and our brightest, really honestly, and so um 605 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: that's the understatement. Yeah. So it just feels like it 606 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: just feels like back slighting and who and so, I 607 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: don't know, there's so much despair now. People want it, right, 608 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: Biden won because people wanted this pandemic to be over. 609 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 1: They wanted some competency and stuff like that. But until 610 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: we get a hold of the pandemic, Like I don't know, 611 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: it just seems like it's it's open, it's I don't know. 612 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: There's always going to be some idiot in the middle 613 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: of the street saying, like, you can stand in traffic. 614 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: The car's not going to hit you. The government shouldn't 615 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: tell you we can't stand in traffic. You know, that's 616 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,280 Speaker 1: kind of and anybody dumb enough to stane in traffic 617 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: is going to get the megaphone right now because nobody 618 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: else wants to stand in traffic. Yeah, it's really depressing 619 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: like these Yeah, I mean, you're going to you're full 620 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: of good metaphord to day, but it's also just like, 621 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about guns, we've been talking 622 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: about COVID, we've been talking about mental health, and I 623 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: feel like what is most frustrating is that all of 624 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: these dots are not connected in a way that people 625 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: can see here or understand them. And I know that 626 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: there's always going to be a order of the population 627 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: that are going to bury their heads in the sand 628 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,760 Speaker 1: like ostages and just you know, you know, they're they're 629 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: the people and don't look up. They're the people that 630 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: are going to stare at the ground even though the 631 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: comment is literally hovering over their heads like they're going 632 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: to refuse any type of information. But I'm like, what 633 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: about everybody else. Everybody else can't get exhausted at the 634 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: same time and just decide to throw up their hands. 635 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, though, if that's where we're headed, where 636 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: we're just going to following this and when we get 637 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: to the spring, you know, if there is another variant 638 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: that pops up over the summer, I don't think that 639 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: we have the mental capacity anymore to deal And and 640 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: that's like, that's what I'm seeing, That's what I'm hearing, 641 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: and I that worries me. Yeah, no, I mean I 642 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you. I'm worry Yeah. I mean, 643 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: it feels like we're living in wartime. Honestly, that's what 644 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: I feel like. We're this is a we're living in 645 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,479 Speaker 1: I mean, we're living in wartime and so sorry about 646 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: that and so um and so I don't know, like 647 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 1: it's weird to think about like a year ago where 648 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: everything felt so horrible or whatever, and then now things 649 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: are worse, right, So maybe now is better than we're 650 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: going to have two years from now. So maybe now 651 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: is as good as it's going to get, you know, like, yeah, 652 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, or I mean, that's honestly 653 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: really terrifying to think about, right because I thought we thought, 654 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: honestly at the beginning, that the worst of it was 655 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: going to be, Oh my god, what if there's no 656 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: vaccine that can be created? What if we're two years 657 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: in and there's no vaccine. Well, we got a vaccine, 658 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: and we thought that that was going to be the 659 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: silver bullet, and it's not. And so I'm like if 660 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: and I'm reading people's comments, like on social media, and 661 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm just what the fuck is wrong with you? Like 662 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about ventilators killing people? And I'm just like 663 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: are you, Like are you that dumb? But then I 664 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: go back to all of the things that the Republican 665 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: Party is doing two schools right and in our classrooms, 666 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: like trying to literally end critical thought, and I'm just like, no, 667 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: wonder why we're here, Like, no wonder why we're here. 668 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: We don't care about education, we don't lift up things, 669 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: we don't talk about science in any real way, like, 670 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: and so there's just this one big disconnect so that 671 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: all you need is one worm, like a Joe Rogan 672 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: to have the most popular podcast in the fucking world 673 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: be on the wrong side of damn near everything, and 674 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: then we're just screwed. I just I guess it just 675 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: shows me how everything in America seems to have been 676 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 1: built on a deck of cards by a deck of cards. 677 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: And it's windy every day now, and every day it 678 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: just collapses. I mean. Part of the issue is also 679 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: that you can you can use that playbook on any issue. 680 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 1: That's kind of the other frustrating thing. Like I was thinking, like, 681 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: imagine if you ran across the highway naked, how many 682 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: people would get hit by a car? Forty percent? Maybe, 683 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: So why does the government tell us we can't run 684 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: across the highway naked? Right? If you smoke four packs 685 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: of cigarettes today, your chance of getting lung cancer is 686 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: thirty percent? So why is it bad? Why shouldn't everybody 687 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: be able to smoke four packs of cigarettes today? Why 688 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: do we limit smoking? Like you could the number of 689 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: things you could use the logic they're using against vaccines 690 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: and COVID and stuff, you could pretty much apply that 691 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: to any law or any anything. With modern medicine. It's 692 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: not like any single thing is one hundred percent, and 693 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: many things are evolving, and many things we learned fifty 694 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: years later that we you know, we went down the 695 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: wrong path and we went on the right path. And 696 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: so in a way, there's there are rules about a 697 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: lot of things. You know, why should there be a 698 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: street light a stoplight when you drive down the road. 699 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't the guy with the biggest car just to 700 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: ride down the middle of the road. When that kind 701 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: of like sense of like trust in at least a 702 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 1: kind of common foundation of knowledge gets eroded, you know, 703 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: that's a that's a pretty place, bad place to be 704 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: as a society. As you were saying, the fault lines 705 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: were here and we hadn't dealt with them for a 706 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: very long time. But this is the kind of exposing 707 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: and obviously enhancing and so the Rogan kind of logic, 708 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: I mean, pick anything right. My employer, believe it or not, 709 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: requires that I wear pants to come to work. What 710 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: right do they have? I mean, likes there's like there's 711 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: no end to that logic. You can protest anything, and 712 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: it leads to all these absurd things. But I mean 713 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: it's also important to think about how deep that is. 714 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: It's super deep, Like we have people here at Vanderbilt 715 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: in the ICU who are dying who don't believe COVID 716 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: is real, and they're dying of COVID. Like it's not 717 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: like there's some aha moment, you know, ideology like this 718 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: is quite profound, and so I guess, I guess I 719 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: haven't taken drugs since high school? Can you restart taking drugs? 720 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm not supped to do exactly. Yeah, I like, you know, 721 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: it's just like that comment of the amount of people, nurses, 722 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: doctors yourself who are saying, like people's last breath, their 723 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: last words are this isn't real and that's how they're dying. 724 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, what do you think that you're 725 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: dying from? Like, I'm just so confused by it, and 726 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm also confused about how they find their way to 727 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: the fucking hospital. But I mean the issue is also 728 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: like so many people, I don't know, it's just um, 729 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: it's just um, I don't know. I mean, again, the 730 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: extreme cases of the ones you hear about on social media, 731 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 1: but really it's the everyday version of this kind of 732 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: disbelief that's I mean, there's always going to be a version. 733 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so media is built for these extremes, but 734 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of the everyday level of disbelief that we're 735 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: living with now. Also that's almost more terrified. Yeah, yeah, 736 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. But but let me again just tell people, 737 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 1: I love puppies. I love puppies. There you know, there's 738 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: probably an island somewhere that is not affected by any 739 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: of this crap. Um, No, there isn't. Yeah, isn't there 740 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: the Atlantis Island. It's built by like somehamas. Yeah, that's 741 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: something like that. You can go on a water slide 742 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 1: or something like that. Like, I don't know. There's gotta 743 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: be There's gotta be somewhere. But it's just funny because 744 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: like if you read wartime journals like Hemingway's journal from 745 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: World War One, people are always imagining, like somewhere else 746 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: in the world that's not affected by shelling or bombardiment 747 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: or trenches. You know, that's where we are now. We're 748 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: like imagining like, oh, there must be somewhere that's not 749 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: infected by like people trying to overturn the election and 750 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: fiato that kind of thing. So I don't know, folks, 751 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: but all I have to say is, you know, if 752 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: you find that place. You let us know here so 753 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: that Jonathan and I can come and visit. It's got 754 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: to be that behind. I mean, I don't know. It 755 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: looks like a fun there's a water slide. It still 756 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: has COVID. Sorry. As always, Jonathan, we appreciate you your 757 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: insight and sticking with us as we continue to trudge 758 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: our way through year two of a pandemic. Just you know, 759 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: shock of power. Everybody hanging there as always, dear friends. 760 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,240 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 761 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck.