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Speaker 1: at citizensbank dot com slash Giants. It's Week fifteen. The

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Speaker 1: Giants back from the buy at MetLife Stadium hosting the

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Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. The final score twenty nine at twenty one

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Speaker 1: in favor of Washington. Madelenburg here with Super Bowl champion

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Speaker 1: Howard Cross. Howard first of all broad strokes, here was

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Speaker 1: your big takeaway from this game?

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Speaker 2: Big takeaway from the game is that they're not The

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Speaker 2: Giants are not good enough to make mistakes. They have

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Speaker 2: to be in phase and of all phases of the

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Speaker 2: game all the time. They can't just go for a

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Speaker 2: little bit and then try to you know, kick jump

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Speaker 2: in and get started. They have to go from beginning

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Speaker 2: to end and try to be perfect almost and today

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Speaker 2: they just weren't.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the season, we saw the Giants offense start strong.

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Speaker 1: We sew them scoring on opening drives of six different

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Speaker 1: games of the year. Today was a different story. The

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Speaker 1: Giants offense kind of struggled out the gate. The Giants

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Speaker 1: as a whole really struggled, trailing as much as thirteen

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Speaker 1: to nothing before getting on the board late the second half.

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Speaker 1: You know, the defense created some takeaways, the offense was

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Speaker 1: create some opportunities. But what was the change in the

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Speaker 1: shift that you saw that the team seemed like they

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Speaker 1: were able to execute better down the stretch of this game.

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Speaker 2: What started out was that the offense kind of they

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Speaker 2: felt like they were freezing that you know, you could

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Speaker 2: tell when guys are cold. They weren't prepared for it

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Speaker 2: mentally to be out there in the cold weather. They

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Speaker 2: let a punt return go back for a touchdown. They

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Speaker 2: made one series of tackles they did okay. Then the

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Speaker 2: offense itself couldn't figure out how to get things going.

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Speaker 2: You're playing against the twenty nine point defense against the run.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing that, run the ball, they're throwing the

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Speaker 2: days when we played and I hate to speel like

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Speaker 2: I get off my yard, guy guy, But in the

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Speaker 2: old days, we would come into the stadium, especially on

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Speaker 2: windy days, and we would practice just to get used

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Speaker 2: to the wind, just to get used to the to

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Speaker 2: the atmosphere, because it's a different field when the wind's

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Speaker 2: going across the field and the winds swirl in the

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Speaker 2: one end the pump. You know, the returners got to

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Speaker 2: they got to sit a certain way and catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: The kickoffs go a certain way. The field goals are

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Speaker 2: harder to make, and the receivers, believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: when the quarterback throws the ball, the ball sometimes lifts

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Speaker 2: and sometimes it dives, and you've got to be used

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Speaker 2: necessarily practicing outside and at the practice fillity. Sometimes you

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Speaker 2: got to come into the stadium and run your routes

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Speaker 2: practice inside well.

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Speaker 1: As close as the practice facility is to the stadium,

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Speaker 1: see it from here, but it is a different environment.

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Speaker 1: I mean, looking out at the stadium right now as

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Speaker 1: looks like, oh, this is a completely still not windy day.

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Speaker 1: to effect not just the passing game, but also the

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Speaker 1: missed field goals that we saw the special teams moments,

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Speaker 1: or downplay them, but also to quantify just the fact that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty grees, snow on the ground, wind blowing across

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Speaker 2: very very interesting. You can see the ball when it

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Speaker 2: I'm like, uh huh, I said, well, listen, that's part

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Speaker 2: I'm sure coach Kafka understands that. And he'll be looking

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Speaker 2: part of the process planning in a windy stadium. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is the third game that we've seen under

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Speaker 1: interim head coach Mike Kafka, and one of the things

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Speaker 2: It looks a lot different. But to me, I would

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Speaker 2: have loved to see him go into twelve personnel, which

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Speaker 2: especially planning the team again it's twenty nine against a run,

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Speaker 2: out of that. And I'm not saying that because I'm

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Speaker 2: but I'm saying it because they've had the most success

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Speaker 2: ourselves how to get in here?

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Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you got to go over

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Speaker 1: the middle with at the score, right, how do we

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Speaker 1: make that happen? I don't know, Bud Citizen does it

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning. Yeah, the tight ends were getting going today.

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Speaker 1: and of course it wasn't enough to close the gap entirely.

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Speaker 1: Is the Giants fall twenty nine twenty one, you know?

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Speaker 1: And also credit to Tyrone Tracy two touchdowns on the day,

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you have to also remember that Jackson Dark

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Speaker 2: that was mostly from the offensive lineman. And people don't realize,

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Speaker 2: I said when he was slow to get up because

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Speaker 2: But he wants they call the sideline. The trainers ran out,

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Speaker 2: can see dark going like what do you mean. He's like, well,

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Speaker 2: I want him to throw the ball right away. He

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Speaker 2: Kind of moment I would have just personally ought to

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Speaker 1: And that's interesting too, because you were down on the

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Speaker 1: because we've seen, you know, we've seen Jackson Dart take

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Speaker 1: they can only be so warm when it's twenty degrees outside,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And again I'll have just gone quarterback sneak right

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Speaker 2: at I'm trying to push it in, let everybody know

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Speaker 1: The Giants offense was in that position to make that

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Speaker 1: Giants defense in the fourth quarter, one of them influenced

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Speaker 2: I saw him being you know, extra extra what how

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Speaker 2: would I explain it? In the first in the first

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Speaker 2: level of understanding had grown a lot.

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Speaker 2: They got him a couple of times inside where he

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Speaker 2: the plan for the season. If Thibodeau, Burns and he

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Speaker 2: wants to rest on the inside this time. And those

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Speaker 2: not prepared for a guy to jump around them. Interiorly,

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Speaker 2: they're prepared for you to be a big brawler and

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Speaker 2: But when you can be really really quick that initial

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 2: I'd like to learn about an Molli routine.

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Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, it's not just

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Speaker 2: No offense to the guys. If we If we, and

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Speaker 2: and those guys will be here to play, and whoever's

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Speaker 1: The Giants fall to two to twelve on the season,

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Speaker 1: dropping their eighth straight game. They've got three more on

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Speaker 1: the schedules, starting with next week back at MetLife hosting

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. Three more games, three more opportunities for

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Speaker 1: this team and these individual players and coaches to earn

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Speaker 1: out the season strong with the Super Bowl champion Howard Cross.

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Speaker 1: I'm Madeline Burke. That's been your Week fifteen. Rapid Reaction

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