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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hello there, welcome to the Book of Joe Podcasts with me,

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Speaker 1: Tom Berducci, and of course Joe Madden. I like to

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Speaker 1: call it the most interesting podcast for baseball on the planet.

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Speaker 1: And if you just found us, welcome, Glad you're here.

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Speaker 1: And if you were with us last week you heard

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Speaker 1: us talk about the fact that no managers had been

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Speaker 1: fired in the course of the twenty twenty three baseball season. Well,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, things changed in a hurry, Joe. We are

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Speaker 1: now looking at four managerial openings, including the retirement of

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Speaker 1: Terry Francona in Cleveland, Phil Nevin with the Angels, Gabe

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Speaker 1: Kappler with the Giants, buckshow Show Walter with the Mets,

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Speaker 1: all out. I need to get your take, Joe on this,

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Speaker 1: And first of all, we need to start with Phil

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Speaker 1: Nevin and the Angels. Obviously he succeeded you there. Whoever

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Speaker 1: Angels in the last seven years. Your quick take on

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Speaker 1: the ousta of Phil Nevin?

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Yeah, I kind of surprised, a surprise, really

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Speaker 2: surprised by Kapler and with Buck I just didn't know

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Speaker 2: where that was going to go, almost like based on

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Speaker 2: mutual considerations.

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Speaker 3: But Phil.

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Speaker 2: See the thing about Phil and about Cap in particular,

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Speaker 2: and I think to a certain extent, Buck, although it's

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Speaker 2: almost hard to believe, is that a lot of this

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Speaker 2: was controlled by the front offices in both cities. I've

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Speaker 2: always thought that for Hunt and Gabe were almost inseparable,

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Speaker 2: and then with Phil and Perry and and Alex in

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Speaker 2: that group, I thought they were kind of tight two.

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Speaker 2: And again, when you get so much input from front

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Speaker 2: offices regarding how to do things, it's almost congruent for

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Speaker 2: them to fire somebody that's been actually carrying out their

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Speaker 2: methods or their plans. I know exactly how it works

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Speaker 2: with the Angels. I know how the day works, I

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Speaker 2: know the kind of information given. I know how their

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Speaker 2: meetings are run, and there are plenty of those. So

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Speaker 2: I again it's hard for me to put it all.

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Speaker 3: Together again having lived it.

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Speaker 2: Whereas the manager gets takes the blame for a method

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Speaker 2: be more I don't want to use the word unilateral,

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Speaker 2: but kind of where you're able to utilize your own expertise,

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Speaker 2: your own experience, deal the things that you've done in

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Speaker 2: the past, and then augment it with the kind of

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Speaker 2: information that can be supplied to you that's impossible for

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Speaker 2: you to collect prior to a series, just because there's

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Speaker 2: so much of it. So again it's I'm kind of curious. Again,

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Speaker 2: I don't talking about this in the past the method incorporated.

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Speaker 2: Whereas again too, there's so much noise interference coming from

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Speaker 3: I just don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the baseball world certainly has chained that used to

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Speaker 1: Joe aj Preller has gone through a lot of managers

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Speaker 1: But let's get back. You mentioned Farhan with the Giants

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Speaker 1: so that was a little bit surprising. But in announcing

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Speaker 1: more open to other suggestions and methodologies. That doesn't suggest

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Speaker 1: and healthy an organization. Listen, Gabe Kapler got to me

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Speaker 1: for one reason. They went eight and sixteen in September.

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Speaker 1: Under Gabe Kapler, they lost. This is unbelievable, twenty eight

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Speaker 1: was it just on the manager? No, But as you know, Joe,

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Speaker 3: Well, can I agree more with you on that?

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Speaker 2: And again, when a team fails in September, why, I

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Speaker 2: Get we won ninety six games and it's considered a

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Speaker 2: First began with the Angels, Rick Burrelson pointed out to

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Speaker 3: But we were. We were not a good.

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Speaker 3: So these are the kind of I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This would be the first place I would look what

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Speaker 2: They felt they needed to give them more in late

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Speaker 3: This is where I would do my deep dive.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it to me is based on fatigue, and.

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Speaker 1: For me, the Giants are just a little too wetted

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many times I heard about platoon

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Speaker 3: We like to tinker it and we like to become

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Speaker 2: There's so many different ways of looking at this and

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Speaker 2: so and I cannot disagree with you, because you're right

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Speaker 1: Right, So let's talk about the Angels in terms of process.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast. Yeah, playoff

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Speaker 1: baseball is here, folks, and let's start with the Rays

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a good one. You're right back then, Adrian

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Speaker 1: the home field because they won their division. Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: actually won more games. Give me your take on this series.

435
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Speaker 3: Well, from the beginning of the Ys gonna play? Do

436
00:22:04,638 --> 00:22:05,278
Speaker 3: we know that yet?

437
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of questions there. Korea Lewis and yeah,

438
00:22:08,878 --> 00:22:11,318
Speaker 1: he's probably going to play, but hasn't played much in

439
00:22:11,358 --> 00:22:13,718
Speaker 1: the last two three weeks with that plantarveesciitis.

440
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that matters. I mean, have you not played?

441
00:22:15,758 --> 00:22:17,838
Speaker 2: Have you not played? Can matter both ways. I mean,

442
00:22:18,158 --> 00:22:20,038
Speaker 2: could be rusty, but then again he could be arrested

443
00:22:20,158 --> 00:22:22,678
Speaker 2: the two rs, right, So I don't know. That's that's

444
00:22:22,718 --> 00:22:27,518
Speaker 2: really interesting because of his history and the playoffs, that

445
00:22:27,598 --> 00:22:30,878
Speaker 2: would be a big factor, I think. But I really like,

446
00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:33,358
Speaker 2: you know, I said this in the beginning of the year,

447
00:22:33,358 --> 00:22:34,198
Speaker 2: and we talked about this.

448
00:22:34,998 --> 00:22:38,118
Speaker 3: The pitching the starting pitching with the the Twins. I

449
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Speaker 3: really like it. I like it.

450
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Speaker 2: I like Gray and I like Lopez, right yep. I

451
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Speaker 2: like these guys. And their bullpen's outstanding too. So I

452
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Speaker 2: and I watched the I watched the Blue Jays. The

453
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Speaker 2: Blue Jay's got a lot of talent, physical talent. They

454
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Speaker 2: got some nice then they got some I love. I'm

455
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Speaker 2: a big Galsman guy.

456
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Speaker 3: I've liked him.

457
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Speaker 2: I wanted the teams that was on to acquire him.

458
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Speaker 2: I've liked him for years. Once he came up with

459
00:23:00,318 --> 00:23:04,358
Speaker 2: the splitter. But they make mistakes, and I, you know,

460
00:23:04,478 --> 00:23:08,158
Speaker 2: I just defensively, there's a Chapman's wonderful. But I even

461
00:23:08,198 --> 00:23:10,598
Speaker 2: you know Bashetti's shortstop, I still think he belongs in

462
00:23:10,638 --> 00:23:13,398
Speaker 2: the outfield as an example. I mean things like this

463
00:23:13,918 --> 00:23:16,158
Speaker 2: that's going to show up. They'reing to show up somehow defensively,

464
00:23:16,198 --> 00:23:19,278
Speaker 2: I think. And the Twins, their pitching staff, I think

465
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Speaker 2: is going to be strong enough to shut down the

466
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Speaker 2: Blue Jays offensively. So for those different reasons, I like

467
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Speaker 2: the Twins in the series.

468
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Speaker 1: Well, I know one thing, there's gonna be a ton

469
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Speaker 1: of strikeouts. You know, the Twins strike out more than

470
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Speaker 1: any team in baseball, but they're starting pitchers, you get.

471
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Speaker 1: I think they're second or third in strikeout right, I'm

472
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Speaker 1: with you on the Blue Jays. They scare me a

473
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Speaker 1: little bit. You saw last year against Seattle. They did

474
00:23:40,958 --> 00:23:43,598
Speaker 1: not rise to the moment and got knocked out very quickly.

475
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Speaker 1: I don't think they have played up to their level

476
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Speaker 1: of ability. I think this series is a coin flip.

477
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Speaker 1: I will go with Toronto though, because I again I

478
00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:55,358
Speaker 1: think the injuries for the Minnesota scare me a little bit.

479
00:23:55,398 --> 00:23:57,598
Speaker 1: I don't know at what strength they're going to be

480
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Speaker 1: even if the guys are on the field, and the

481
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Speaker 1: strikeouts do bother me. A lot of strikeouts in that lineup.

482
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Speaker 1: All right, let's switch over to the National League. Joe,

483
00:24:05,158 --> 00:24:08,878
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks at the Brewers. Now, the Brewers got some bad

484
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Speaker 1: news that Brandon Woodruff, they're really Game two starter behind

485
00:24:12,958 --> 00:24:15,638
Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns, will not be pitching in this series. Don't

486
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Speaker 1: know if he's out for the rest of the postseason,

487
00:24:17,718 --> 00:24:21,998
Speaker 1: but at shoulder injury came back again on his last

488
00:24:22,038 --> 00:24:24,558
Speaker 1: start of the season, so he is out in this series.

489
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Speaker 1: Diamondbacks at the Brewers.

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Speaker 2: Independent of all of that, the Brewers, my experience with

491
00:24:30,238 --> 00:24:32,838
Speaker 2: them is that they have a grittiness at this time,

492
00:24:32,918 --> 00:24:34,958
Speaker 2: they have a greediness period and I know Craig has

493
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Speaker 2: a lot to do with that, but they find ways

494
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Speaker 2: to be successful. That's that's why I view this group.

495
00:24:40,758 --> 00:24:43,198
Speaker 2: You know, the backside of their bullpens outstanding. The team

496
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Speaker 2: on the field is good. There's nothing there's not a

497
00:24:45,798 --> 00:24:49,758
Speaker 2: greatness about them, but they do play well together. They

498
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Speaker 2: their defense. The thing about with the Cubs that always

499
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Speaker 2: they reminded me the Brewers are the Rays when I

500
00:24:56,478 --> 00:24:58,478
Speaker 2: was when I was with the Rays in a lot

501
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Speaker 2: of ways, because when you hit a ball heart it

502
00:25:00,718 --> 00:25:02,718
Speaker 2: always seems like a defender standing right there. It was

503
00:25:02,838 --> 00:25:06,278
Speaker 2: very frustrating with the Cubs as the Brewers as send

504
00:25:06,278 --> 00:25:09,358
Speaker 2: it that their defense was positioned so well. Mattie Arnold,

505
00:25:09,358 --> 00:25:11,838
Speaker 2: I know him, you know, with the with the Brewers

506
00:25:11,878 --> 00:25:14,278
Speaker 2: right now in charge. So I there's all these little

507
00:25:14,318 --> 00:25:17,318
Speaker 2: ancillary benefits or components of the Brewers that I think

508
00:25:17,358 --> 00:25:19,478
Speaker 2: plays and plays well this time of the year.

509
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Speaker 3: So that's that's why I like I mean I like

510
00:25:21,958 --> 00:25:23,198
Speaker 3: them for that reason. I think a lot of people

511
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Speaker 3: are gonna like them for those reasons too.

512
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Speaker 2: But I think really watched the series, balls gonna be

513
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Speaker 2: hit well by the Diamondbacks and somebody's going to be

514
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Speaker 2: standing right there. And I still think even minus Woodruf,

515
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Speaker 2: they're pitching as good enough.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, and you're dead on about Milwaukee.

517
00:25:38,998 --> 00:25:40,958
Speaker 1: They're one of the best two three best teams in

518
00:25:40,998 --> 00:25:45,678
Speaker 1: baseball combining pitching and defense. They have a very athletic

519
00:25:45,918 --> 00:25:48,518
Speaker 1: defensive team, a younger team. Some of the rookies there

520
00:25:48,518 --> 00:25:53,278
Speaker 1: have really helped them out defensively, Terraang and Weimer and Monasterio.

521
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Speaker 1: So yes, they have a thin margin of error. They're

522
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Speaker 1: not going to score a lot of runs, but neither

523
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Speaker 1: do the Diamondbacks. The Diamondsbacks come in with the highest

524
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Speaker 1: ERA of any postseason team. They cannot start Gallon in

525
00:26:06,798 --> 00:26:09,318
Speaker 1: Game one because they had to use them over the weekend,

526
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Speaker 1: so Brandon Fought gets the ball in Game one against Burns.

527
00:26:12,758 --> 00:26:15,598
Speaker 1: That's a tough matchup. Goes against Arizona. They did not

528
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Speaker 1: hit at all in the last week at the season,

529
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it'll be competitive, low scoring games.

530
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Speaker 1: But you know what, the Brewers love those kind of games,

531
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Speaker 1: and with Craig Counsel, they find a way usually to

532
00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:29,958
Speaker 1: win those games. All right. The other wildcard series the

533
00:26:29,998 --> 00:26:33,598
Speaker 1: Marlins at the Phillies. Now, the Marlins won the season

534
00:26:33,718 --> 00:26:37,078
Speaker 1: series seven to six. You can take that for whatever

535
00:26:37,118 --> 00:26:39,918
Speaker 1: it's worth. Joe, I'd never put a ton of stock

536
00:26:39,998 --> 00:26:43,078
Speaker 1: in this season matchups because you're looking at you cut

537
00:26:43,118 --> 00:26:46,158
Speaker 1: down your rotation, you cut down your bullpen. Guys. It's

538
00:26:46,158 --> 00:26:48,198
Speaker 1: a different game, you know, in the postseason in the

539
00:26:48,198 --> 00:26:51,958
Speaker 1: regular season. That being said, who do you like Marlins

540
00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:52,598
Speaker 1: at the Phillies?

541
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Speaker 2: Well, I was on the Phillies all year. I think

542
00:26:55,678 --> 00:26:57,798
Speaker 2: you know, the Marlins are in that ascending mode. And

543
00:26:57,878 --> 00:26:59,798
Speaker 2: on top of that, I mean the Phillies whether they

544
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Speaker 2: win eighty.

545
00:27:00,238 --> 00:27:02,438
Speaker 3: Nine or ninety games only, yeah, ninety. But that's part

546
00:27:02,478 --> 00:27:04,278
Speaker 3: of what's going on. That's what's going on right now.

547
00:27:04,278 --> 00:27:05,958
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of teams that normally would not

548
00:27:05,998 --> 00:27:08,398
Speaker 2: have made playoffs in the past are making the playoffs.

549
00:27:08,438 --> 00:27:10,878
Speaker 3: Now. There's a again, there's a there's a parody.

550
00:27:10,518 --> 00:27:12,878
Speaker 2: Component to all this, and and I think again a

551
00:27:12,878 --> 00:27:16,238
Speaker 2: lot of it may be based on methods and how

552
00:27:16,278 --> 00:27:18,798
Speaker 2: they're being employed and how teams are going about their business.

553
00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:21,318
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of sameness happening right here.

554
00:27:21,358 --> 00:27:24,638
Speaker 2: So having said all that, you know, Obviously, I do

555
00:27:24,678 --> 00:27:28,358
Speaker 2: believe that the Phillies are better, more battle tested team.

556
00:27:29,198 --> 00:27:33,238
Speaker 2: But again, I do like a lot the late season

557
00:27:33,438 --> 00:27:36,438
Speaker 2: acquisitions made by the Marlins and regards to making them

558
00:27:36,478 --> 00:27:38,198
Speaker 2: a different group going into the end of the year.

559
00:27:38,638 --> 00:27:41,078
Speaker 2: Burger's a good hitter, man, He's a very good hitter

560
00:27:41,598 --> 00:27:43,678
Speaker 2: and a belle. I mean he I saw him with

561
00:27:43,718 --> 00:27:46,838
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh when he first came on the scene and when

562
00:27:46,878 --> 00:27:48,398
Speaker 2: he gets hot. Man, if he gets to one of

563
00:27:48,438 --> 00:27:52,478
Speaker 2: those moments heads up in Georgie Solaire where Hey didn't

564
00:27:52,518 --> 00:27:54,478
Speaker 2: get a whole lot of you.

565
00:27:54,438 --> 00:27:56,918
Speaker 3: Know, press or credit in a sense.

566
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Speaker 2: But he was really big for the Cubs when I

567
00:27:59,158 --> 00:28:01,718
Speaker 2: was huge for the Braves, and so you never know.

568
00:28:02,918 --> 00:28:04,838
Speaker 2: So overall, I think it's gonna be a good series.

569
00:28:04,878 --> 00:28:06,878
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a tight series. But I

570
00:28:06,918 --> 00:28:09,878
Speaker 2: do like the Phillies a grit. Again, I like to

571
00:28:09,958 --> 00:28:12,318
Speaker 2: use that word, a little bit of a battle test that

572
00:28:12,398 --> 00:28:14,598
Speaker 2: I think during the rise of the occasion in Philadelphia,

573
00:28:15,118 --> 00:28:17,758
Speaker 2: and you know, it's gonna be difficult for the for

574
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Speaker 2: the Marks to go into that pit there and breathe

575
00:28:20,878 --> 00:28:24,238
Speaker 2: and see how well they can do. So interesting, yes,

576
00:28:24,318 --> 00:28:25,718
Speaker 2: but I do like the Phillies.

577
00:28:25,358 --> 00:28:25,918
Speaker 3: In this moment.

578
00:28:26,358 --> 00:28:29,478
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to know how Luis OLiS is. You know,

579
00:28:29,558 --> 00:28:31,798
Speaker 1: he hasn't really played much in the last week because

580
00:28:31,798 --> 00:28:34,558
Speaker 1: he turned his ankle. Actually, yeah, he did it on

581
00:28:34,598 --> 00:28:37,838
Speaker 1: the dugout steps. After a lot of these ballparks now

582
00:28:37,838 --> 00:28:41,038
Speaker 1: they turned the lights down to have these dramatic entrances

583
00:28:41,038 --> 00:28:43,478
Speaker 1: for their closers. Tenor Scott was coming in, so they

584
00:28:43,478 --> 00:28:45,918
Speaker 1: turned the lights down and on and off and strobe effect,

585
00:28:45,998 --> 00:28:49,838
Speaker 1: and that's how he hurt his ankle. I do like

586
00:28:49,878 --> 00:28:53,598
Speaker 1: their left handed pitching. You know, Lozardo and Braxton Garrett

587
00:28:53,598 --> 00:28:55,278
Speaker 1: will get the ball against the Phillies. But you know what,

588
00:28:55,318 --> 00:28:57,998
Speaker 1: the Phillies lefties don't bother them. I know, you look

589
00:28:57,998 --> 00:29:00,478
Speaker 1: at their lineup and you see Harper, you see Stott,

590
00:29:00,478 --> 00:29:02,958
Speaker 1: and you see some of these guys. But they're actually

591
00:29:02,998 --> 00:29:05,638
Speaker 1: they went thirty and twents left handed pitching. I don't

592
00:29:05,638 --> 00:29:08,038
Speaker 1: think that by itself is a big deal. I do

593
00:29:08,118 --> 00:29:10,878
Speaker 1: agree with you, Joe, that it's such a tough minded

594
00:29:10,918 --> 00:29:14,678
Speaker 1: Philadelphia team, especially in their ballpark. I love the way

595
00:29:14,718 --> 00:29:16,558
Speaker 1: they've played the last two months of the season. I

596
00:29:16,598 --> 00:29:20,278
Speaker 1: do think they're playing their best baseball this season. Marlins

597
00:29:20,318 --> 00:29:23,038
Speaker 1: were outscored by fifty five runs in the course of

598
00:29:23,078 --> 00:29:25,518
Speaker 1: the season. I don't see a team like that taking

599
00:29:25,558 --> 00:29:28,638
Speaker 1: out an offense like the one Philadelphia has. A lot.

600
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Speaker 1: To me depends Joe on Aaron Nola. You know, he's

601
00:29:31,318 --> 00:29:33,518
Speaker 1: had an up and down year. He had an ERA

602
00:29:33,678 --> 00:29:36,638
Speaker 1: over five in September. When he's good, he can dominate.

603
00:29:36,678 --> 00:29:38,838
Speaker 1: To me, it all is about his breaking ball. When

604
00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:41,358
Speaker 1: he can command and land that breaking ball when he wants.

605
00:29:42,158 --> 00:29:45,798
Speaker 1: He is an ace, and I think they can go

606
00:29:45,918 --> 00:29:49,638
Speaker 1: really far, but they definitely need Aaron Nola to be

607
00:29:49,678 --> 00:29:52,398
Speaker 1: on the better side. So I'm taking the Phillies as

608
00:29:52,398 --> 00:29:53,078
Speaker 1: well well.

609
00:29:53,078 --> 00:29:55,598
Speaker 2: I just just to say I like Stought a lot.

610
00:29:55,918 --> 00:29:57,638
Speaker 2: I love that kid, I love the way he plays,

611
00:29:57,678 --> 00:30:00,118
Speaker 2: love his at bats, and of course Harper. So when

612
00:30:00,118 --> 00:30:02,838
Speaker 2: it comes to lefties and schwarbs, I mean, think about it.

613
00:30:02,878 --> 00:30:04,758
Speaker 2: I mean, Lazard has got a great I understand that,

614
00:30:04,838 --> 00:30:07,918
Speaker 2: but that doesn't bother Shore. If he's gonna he's gonna

615
00:30:07,958 --> 00:30:09,398
Speaker 2: go up there with a definite plan. If you make

616
00:30:09,478 --> 00:30:11,238
Speaker 2: some mistake in his area, it's gonna get hit hard.

617
00:30:11,998 --> 00:30:14,078
Speaker 2: Harper is going to battle, and Scott is just a

618
00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:15,198
Speaker 2: good hit of Brandon Marsh.

619
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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're doing right there.

620
00:30:16,958 --> 00:30:19,598
Speaker 2: But marsh had a really good year and he's really

621
00:30:19,638 --> 00:30:21,878
Speaker 2: come on right now too. And the fact that they

622
00:30:21,918 --> 00:30:24,518
Speaker 2: permitted their lefties to face lefties. We're talking about the

623
00:30:24,518 --> 00:30:29,278
Speaker 2: platoon advantage earlier regarding the Giants, and you get to

624
00:30:30,118 --> 00:30:32,478
Speaker 2: leaving your better players out there all the time and

625
00:30:32,518 --> 00:30:35,678
Speaker 2: fighting through learning how to compete better against lefties.

626
00:30:35,678 --> 00:30:37,478
Speaker 3: I think is gonna pay.

627
00:30:37,278 --> 00:30:41,478
Speaker 2: Dividends for the Phillies right now. So yeah, there's a

628
00:30:41,478 --> 00:30:43,518
Speaker 2: lot of stuff there, and I agree with that. I

629
00:30:43,558 --> 00:30:47,918
Speaker 2: think the lefties will handle the lefties. Noah, what's gonna

630
00:30:47,918 --> 00:30:50,678
Speaker 2: happen there. Robbie's just going to be very quick with him.

631
00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:52,478
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to keep a close eye on him.

632
00:30:52,638 --> 00:30:54,518
Speaker 2: Wheeler's the man. I mean, here's the guy. When I

633
00:30:54,598 --> 00:30:56,558
Speaker 2: was with the Angels, I wanted I wanted the Angels

634
00:30:56,598 --> 00:30:59,078
Speaker 2: to acquire Wheeler first, and I thought if he could

635
00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:01,758
Speaker 2: acquire Wheeler, you might be able to get Garrett Cole

636
00:31:01,838 --> 00:31:04,318
Speaker 2: because he's saying that the Angels are really making an

637
00:31:04,358 --> 00:31:07,678
Speaker 2: attempt to improve right now. So I've been a Wheeler

638
00:31:07,718 --> 00:31:10,838
Speaker 2: guy for years. Actually went to his house in Atlanta

639
00:31:10,878 --> 00:31:13,118
Speaker 2: and a recruiting trip. I really think he's that good

640
00:31:13,198 --> 00:31:14,638
Speaker 2: and I but I just like I said, when it

641
00:31:14,678 --> 00:31:18,118
Speaker 2: comes to Nola, I would bet that Robbie's gonna keep

642
00:31:18,118 --> 00:31:19,678
Speaker 2: a closer eye on him this time around.

643
00:31:20,118 --> 00:31:23,438
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll double up on Wheeler as well, Joe. I

644
00:31:23,478 --> 00:31:27,238
Speaker 1: love the fact that he's a high velocity guy without

645
00:31:27,398 --> 00:31:30,678
Speaker 1: max effort. He's got a very smooth delivery. He's got

646
00:31:30,678 --> 00:31:33,478
Speaker 1: a long stride. That ball just jumps out of his hand,

647
00:31:33,598 --> 00:31:35,518
Speaker 1: sort of like Gerret Cole and Man, he can just

648
00:31:35,678 --> 00:31:38,198
Speaker 1: eat up right handers. He uses two seams and four

649
00:31:38,278 --> 00:31:40,718
Speaker 1: seams as well as any pitcher around in terms of

650
00:31:41,238 --> 00:31:43,638
Speaker 1: keeping you off balanced. There's a lot of fastballs, but

651
00:31:43,718 --> 00:31:47,078
Speaker 1: no two actually very much the same. So yeah, I

652
00:31:47,078 --> 00:31:49,718
Speaker 1: have no problems with Wheeler. He's a true ace. But

653
00:31:49,838 --> 00:31:52,758
Speaker 1: they're gonna need Aaron Nola. Hey, Joe, that reminds me

654
00:31:52,878 --> 00:31:55,558
Speaker 1: we're getting this situation now. You mentioned Robbie Thompson. Maybe

655
00:31:55,598 --> 00:31:58,678
Speaker 1: getting Nola out won't really stick with him these three

656
00:31:58,718 --> 00:32:02,398
Speaker 1: game series here, especially in Game one. If you're a

657
00:32:02,518 --> 00:32:05,238
Speaker 1: manager and maybe even the man on the road, getting

658
00:32:05,238 --> 00:32:07,638
Speaker 1: your team a prepared to play these games and then

659
00:32:07,678 --> 00:32:10,918
Speaker 1: to be running these games, you give me a little

660
00:32:10,958 --> 00:32:12,398
Speaker 1: window on how it might be different.

661
00:32:12,758 --> 00:32:15,198
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're aggressive state of mind. You have to be.

662
00:32:15,318 --> 00:32:18,198
Speaker 3: You can't tolerate, you can't put up with you. And

663
00:32:18,238 --> 00:32:19,838
Speaker 3: we're talking about pitching primarily.

664
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Speaker 2: The other thing is if you're really a built on

665
00:32:23,798 --> 00:32:27,998
Speaker 2: pinch hitting and the platoon matchup, that may happen earlier

666
00:32:28,038 --> 00:32:29,878
Speaker 2: in the game too. You might have to just take

667
00:32:29,878 --> 00:32:33,278
Speaker 2: that opportunity of that chance. You're always aware of the

668
00:32:33,398 --> 00:32:34,238
Speaker 2: handedness of the.

669
00:32:34,198 --> 00:32:35,838
Speaker 3: Closer on that team.

670
00:32:35,878 --> 00:32:38,518
Speaker 2: For instance, if you if they have a lefty closure,

671
00:32:38,518 --> 00:32:41,718
Speaker 2: which Texas does, you might be more reticent to pop

672
00:32:41,758 --> 00:32:44,798
Speaker 2: your left handed other hitter earlier in the game. But

673
00:32:44,838 --> 00:32:47,638
Speaker 2: then again, if you lose that moment, you may be

674
00:32:47,798 --> 00:32:48,998
Speaker 2: may become a mood point.

675
00:32:48,798 --> 00:32:49,558
Speaker 3: Later in the game.

676
00:32:50,438 --> 00:32:53,558
Speaker 2: So you're just going to be more assertive, aggressive, making

677
00:32:53,598 --> 00:32:56,998
Speaker 2: moves early regarding a variety of different things. I mean,

678
00:32:57,038 --> 00:32:59,358
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get away from normal patterns. I think that

679
00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:01,358
Speaker 2: was about up early. Like, if you run, you run

680
00:33:01,878 --> 00:33:04,158
Speaker 2: the same way you ran earlier in the season, run

681
00:33:04,238 --> 00:33:06,318
Speaker 2: right now. If you're gonna play the infield in like

682
00:33:06,358 --> 00:33:07,638
Speaker 2: you did earlier in the season.

683
00:33:07,558 --> 00:33:08,678
Speaker 3: Play the infield in now.

684
00:33:08,758 --> 00:33:13,758
Speaker 2: Don't get away from normal patterns, don't become tentative, don't

685
00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:16,638
Speaker 2: think you have to do something differently as that's one

686
00:33:16,638 --> 00:33:18,598
Speaker 2: of the main things that bring up to my team

687
00:33:18,958 --> 00:33:21,718
Speaker 2: to not feel that way. That where you do become different,

688
00:33:22,278 --> 00:33:24,878
Speaker 2: I believe is with your pitching staff and your bullpen.

689
00:33:25,278 --> 00:33:27,798
Speaker 2: That's what the difference really shows up. It's not a

690
00:33:27,878 --> 00:33:30,718
Speaker 2: National League game. The National League game made you possibly

691
00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:33,598
Speaker 2: make moves early based on the scenarios I describe with

692
00:33:33,638 --> 00:33:36,558
Speaker 2: the pinchhitting. It's probably you're more tolerant now in an

693
00:33:36,598 --> 00:33:39,518
Speaker 2: America League or a DH game, but you can't. You

694
00:33:39,558 --> 00:33:42,678
Speaker 2: can't be tolerant with your pitching because in this situation,

695
00:33:42,918 --> 00:33:46,118
Speaker 2: the soortness of the series and the importance obviously of

696
00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:49,278
Speaker 2: that very first game, you just got to be aggressive.

697
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:51,118
Speaker 3: There's no waiting around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that fact. It is a game played

699
00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:57,398
Speaker 1: with urgency. There's no question. I always feel like, obviously

700
00:33:57,518 --> 00:34:00,878
Speaker 1: Game three, Game Series, Game one is just enormous. It's

701
00:34:00,918 --> 00:34:04,438
Speaker 1: important for these teams to, especially on the road, to

702
00:34:04,478 --> 00:34:07,278
Speaker 1: try to steal that one. Hey, when we get back,

703
00:34:07,678 --> 00:34:09,678
Speaker 1: I know you want to hear it, and we'll do it.

704
00:34:09,718 --> 00:34:11,758
Speaker 1: We'll jump right to the World Series. Who do we

705
00:34:11,838 --> 00:34:14,998
Speaker 1: have in the World Series this year? Stick around for that.

706
00:34:25,558 --> 00:34:28,358
Speaker 1: It's the book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Berducci

707
00:34:28,478 --> 00:34:34,438
Speaker 1: and Joe Madden, World Series winning manager twenty sixteen Chicago Cubs.

708
00:34:34,758 --> 00:34:36,318
Speaker 1: And you want to know who's going to win the

709
00:34:36,318 --> 00:34:40,878
Speaker 1: World Series this year? Well, it's an interesting postseason field.

710
00:34:41,438 --> 00:34:44,518
Speaker 1: There's no Red Sox and Yankees for only the second

711
00:34:44,518 --> 00:34:47,998
Speaker 1: time in thirty years. There's no Cardinals, there's no Mets,

712
00:34:48,078 --> 00:34:51,798
Speaker 1: there's no Padres. Three biggest spenders will be watching this

713
00:34:52,078 --> 00:34:57,438
Speaker 1: postseason at home. So we've got some stalwarts, the Braves,

714
00:34:57,438 --> 00:35:00,478
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, the Astros, the Rays. They've been at it

715
00:35:00,558 --> 00:35:03,918
Speaker 1: just about every year the last five, six, seven years,

716
00:35:03,598 --> 00:35:06,278
Speaker 1: and some newcomers back in the show, like the Orioles

717
00:35:06,318 --> 00:35:09,278
Speaker 1: and the Diamondbacks. So we'll see where this goes, Joe.

718
00:35:09,318 --> 00:35:12,558
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give you my World Series picks right

719
00:35:12,598 --> 00:35:14,758
Speaker 1: here because I know the chalk is the Atlanta Braves,

720
00:35:14,798 --> 00:35:18,718
Speaker 1: and why not. It's literally the greatest slugging team in

721
00:35:18,718 --> 00:35:21,678
Speaker 1: either the National League or American League history. Selegged over

722
00:35:21,798 --> 00:35:26,478
Speaker 1: five hundred these games. And I know we're both fans

723
00:35:26,518 --> 00:35:30,318
Speaker 1: of playing small ball and executing, but these postseason games

724
00:35:30,358 --> 00:35:32,998
Speaker 1: turn more on hitting home runs than anything else. You

725
00:35:33,078 --> 00:35:34,958
Speaker 1: hit a second home run, you're gonna win about seventy

726
00:35:34,958 --> 00:35:37,958
Speaker 1: five percent of the time, and Atlanta just has so

727
00:35:38,398 --> 00:35:41,918
Speaker 1: much thunder in their lineup. They can beat you with

728
00:35:42,038 --> 00:35:43,998
Speaker 1: five or six hits because two or three of those

729
00:35:43,998 --> 00:35:46,278
Speaker 1: are going to be home runs. Have to try to

730
00:35:46,358 --> 00:35:48,678
Speaker 1: keep that team in the ballpark. They're going to be

731
00:35:48,838 --> 00:35:50,958
Speaker 1: hard to hold down. They have the best player on

732
00:35:50,998 --> 00:35:53,918
Speaker 1: the planet right now, and Ronald Acunya Junior. So let

733
00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:56,558
Speaker 1: me start by saying they're the Chalk, but I'm going

734
00:35:56,558 --> 00:35:59,838
Speaker 1: against the Chalk. I like the Philadelphia Phillies coming out

735
00:35:59,878 --> 00:36:02,398
Speaker 1: of the National League. I think they can hit with

736
00:36:02,558 --> 00:36:05,718
Speaker 1: the Braves. Obviously, they took them out last year in

737
00:36:05,718 --> 00:36:08,438
Speaker 1: a postseason environment. I think the Braves are a little

738
00:36:08,438 --> 00:36:11,318
Speaker 1: bit vulnerable injuries to Charlie Morton. We don't know about

739
00:36:11,438 --> 00:36:14,998
Speaker 1: the blister for Max Freed. The bullpen is good, but

740
00:36:15,118 --> 00:36:17,718
Speaker 1: I think the Phillies bullpen can hang with them. They're

741
00:36:17,878 --> 00:36:20,038
Speaker 1: just as good. I think it's a deeper bullpen. Rob

742
00:36:20,038 --> 00:36:24,038
Speaker 1: Thompson has this year than last year. So my National

743
00:36:24,118 --> 00:36:27,598
Speaker 1: League pick is going to be the Philadelphia Phillies. How

744
00:36:27,598 --> 00:36:28,038
Speaker 1: about that?

745
00:36:28,318 --> 00:36:29,878
Speaker 3: Well, I love it. I actually love it.

746
00:36:30,718 --> 00:36:33,478
Speaker 2: God, I mean I know they I'm watching the Rays

747
00:36:33,478 --> 00:36:34,958
Speaker 2: at the end of the year and they've been faltering

748
00:36:34,958 --> 00:36:36,438
Speaker 2: a bit and they still had to one hundred and

749
00:36:36,478 --> 00:36:39,598
Speaker 2: three wins something crazy like that. I do like the

750
00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:43,678
Speaker 2: Phillies also, I do. I didn't realize the statistical component

751
00:36:43,718 --> 00:36:46,158
Speaker 2: of the home runs in the postseason, because I know

752
00:36:46,198 --> 00:36:49,158
Speaker 2: there's so many points in the game that the balls

753
00:36:49,198 --> 00:36:51,758
Speaker 2: just got to be moved in order to score a run.

754
00:36:51,798 --> 00:36:53,798
Speaker 2: And to what extent if you did that more often,

755
00:36:53,838 --> 00:36:56,998
Speaker 2: with the homerun become less important, if teams could actually

756
00:36:57,438 --> 00:36:59,918
Speaker 2: create runs. I think maybe with the stolen base this year,

757
00:37:00,398 --> 00:37:03,878
Speaker 2: you might see a different method regarding scoring some runs.

758
00:37:04,398 --> 00:37:08,038
Speaker 2: But the Philly side of things, I do. I hate

759
00:37:08,038 --> 00:37:10,078
Speaker 2: to agree that, I don't hate to agree with.

760
00:37:10,598 --> 00:37:12,438
Speaker 3: I liked them. I I liked them from the beginning

761
00:37:12,478 --> 00:37:14,478
Speaker 3: of the year. I liked the Phillies. We talked about that.

762
00:37:14,878 --> 00:37:17,678
Speaker 2: I remember early on I was on him, and your

763
00:37:17,718 --> 00:37:19,718
Speaker 2: concern was about Bryce Harper being out and how long

764
00:37:19,758 --> 00:37:20,518
Speaker 2: he was going to be out?

765
00:37:21,118 --> 00:37:21,838
Speaker 3: Uh, And then they did.

766
00:37:21,878 --> 00:37:23,238
Speaker 2: They got off to the bad start, and all of

767
00:37:23,238 --> 00:37:26,038
Speaker 2: a sudden they've caught their breath. And I like their clubhouse.

768
00:37:26,238 --> 00:37:29,358
Speaker 2: I like their attitude, I like their grit, And not

769
00:37:29,398 --> 00:37:31,918
Speaker 2: to say I don't like Atlanta for the same reasons.

770
00:37:31,918 --> 00:37:35,598
Speaker 2: But from the beginning I thought this is a possibility.

771
00:37:36,238 --> 00:37:39,158
Speaker 2: Uh and right now they're they're playing with that that

772
00:37:39,158 --> 00:37:42,398
Speaker 2: that that that fire and their eyeballs. I don't get

773
00:37:42,398 --> 00:37:44,838
Speaker 2: to see Atlanta as much. And I know Akuna is

774
00:37:44,838 --> 00:37:47,558
Speaker 2: a Kuna. I get that levels and nobody even talks

775
00:37:47,558 --> 00:37:50,478
Speaker 2: about him. But why can't you? I mean, I but

776
00:37:50,558 --> 00:37:52,118
Speaker 2: I at the end of the day, I have to

777
00:37:52,158 --> 00:37:54,998
Speaker 2: say I'm on. I'm on the Philly train right now.

778
00:37:55,358 --> 00:37:57,918
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, listen, Philadelphia's a different team right now.

779
00:37:57,918 --> 00:37:59,798
Speaker 1: I said they're playing their best baseball. Part of that,

780
00:37:59,838 --> 00:38:02,118
Speaker 1: as you mentioned Harper, you know coming off to Tommy

781
00:38:02,198 --> 00:38:04,798
Speaker 1: John surgery, had no power when you got back, but

782
00:38:05,078 --> 00:38:07,078
Speaker 1: he's back at full strength. You know, he loves the

783
00:38:07,078 --> 00:38:09,838
Speaker 1: big moment. And the difference maker to me is Trey Turner.

784
00:38:10,078 --> 00:38:12,118
Speaker 1: I mean, the way he played these last two months.

785
00:38:12,118 --> 00:38:15,078
Speaker 1: That's the superstar player they signed. So they're playing their

786
00:38:15,118 --> 00:38:18,038
Speaker 1: best baseball. We should mention the La Dodgers, Joe, because

787
00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:19,758
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a different postseason for

788
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:22,878
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and I think there's tremendous amount of you

789
00:38:22,878 --> 00:38:25,798
Speaker 1: want to call it pressure or responsibility on Dave Roberts

790
00:38:26,038 --> 00:38:28,598
Speaker 1: because he's going to have to win games with his bullpen,

791
00:38:29,158 --> 00:38:31,718
Speaker 1: his starting pitchers, and you can probably mark this down.

792
00:38:31,758 --> 00:38:33,718
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if anybody's going to face more than

793
00:38:33,758 --> 00:38:36,798
Speaker 1: eighteen batters. He just doesn't have that kind of rotation.

794
00:38:36,918 --> 00:38:39,958
Speaker 1: You know, Clayton Kershaw is being really, really good, but

795
00:38:40,198 --> 00:38:43,398
Speaker 1: he can only go sixty, seventy, maybe eighty pitches at

796
00:38:43,398 --> 00:38:46,158
Speaker 1: this point with the shoulder. You've got Bobby Miller, lights

797
00:38:46,158 --> 00:38:49,678
Speaker 1: out stuff, but he's beyond his innings, you know, high

798
00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:52,078
Speaker 1: as a rookie. And I just think this is the

799
00:38:52,118 --> 00:38:55,598
Speaker 1: way Dave Roberts runs games. In his last twelve postseason games,

800
00:38:55,678 --> 00:38:57,998
Speaker 1: no one has gone beyond the fifth inning for the Dodgers.

801
00:38:58,198 --> 00:39:00,558
Speaker 1: He's got a great bullpen. He will go to it

802
00:39:00,638 --> 00:39:03,718
Speaker 1: early and often. I think it's easy to do early

803
00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:06,998
Speaker 1: in the postseason calendar. Don't forget in the Division series

804
00:39:07,038 --> 00:39:09,638
Speaker 1: for the National League this year, you play game one,

805
00:39:09,958 --> 00:39:12,798
Speaker 1: there's an off day, you play Game two, there's an

806
00:39:12,838 --> 00:39:17,158
Speaker 1: off day. Six of his first eight games. Potentially, he

807
00:39:17,198 --> 00:39:19,798
Speaker 1: will go in with a fully rested bullpen with days

808
00:39:19,838 --> 00:39:21,718
Speaker 1: off before those games, so he can do that. I

809
00:39:21,758 --> 00:39:24,518
Speaker 1: think eventually it may catch up to you but listen,

810
00:39:24,518 --> 00:39:26,078
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a theme throughout

811
00:39:26,118 --> 00:39:30,998
Speaker 1: the postseason. You're going to see relief pitchers throw basically

812
00:39:31,678 --> 00:39:34,358
Speaker 1: as many innings, if not more than starting pitchers across

813
00:39:34,398 --> 00:39:36,198
Speaker 1: the board in baseball, just the way it is, and

814
00:39:36,278 --> 00:39:38,558
Speaker 1: especially with the off days, the Dodgers will try to

815
00:39:38,598 --> 00:39:41,278
Speaker 1: max that out. I think eventually it's going to come

816
00:39:41,318 --> 00:39:43,718
Speaker 1: back and catch up to them, but that's their path

817
00:39:43,758 --> 00:39:45,678
Speaker 1: to get to the World Series is through their bullpen.

818
00:39:45,958 --> 00:39:48,238
Speaker 2: Hey man, you're absolutely right, and I know that would

819
00:39:48,238 --> 00:39:51,638
Speaker 2: be part of the meetings that they go through right

820
00:39:51,678 --> 00:39:55,598
Speaker 2: now preparing for these different teams. The way the schedule

821
00:39:55,598 --> 00:39:57,718
Speaker 2: sets up that there are that many off days, it

822
00:39:57,798 --> 00:40:00,358
Speaker 2: is a bullpen series just based on that alone, and

823
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:02,198
Speaker 2: you're right, one hundred percent right, that's why it's going

824
00:40:02,278 --> 00:40:02,478
Speaker 2: to go.

825
00:40:02,678 --> 00:40:03,798
Speaker 3: And I know that group.

826
00:40:04,118 --> 00:40:07,358
Speaker 2: Andrew likes that kind of a method also, so I

827
00:40:07,438 --> 00:40:10,358
Speaker 2: believe you're going to see that and the way the

828
00:40:10,398 --> 00:40:13,598
Speaker 2: schedule breaks. As a manager there could be more aggressive,

829
00:40:13,998 --> 00:40:16,718
Speaker 2: comfortably because you know you're going to have rested people.

830
00:40:17,158 --> 00:40:18,438
Speaker 3: Come here next time out.

831
00:40:19,278 --> 00:40:22,358
Speaker 2: So I don't understand exactly why that was made that way,

832
00:40:23,198 --> 00:40:25,958
Speaker 2: but absolutely benefits the team that is going to rely

833
00:40:27,038 --> 00:40:28,838
Speaker 2: more on relievers and starters.

834
00:40:29,038 --> 00:40:32,038
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the American League, Joe. I think

835
00:40:32,158 --> 00:40:35,678
Speaker 1: to me, the American League, the way the brackets are

836
00:40:35,678 --> 00:40:38,398
Speaker 1: going to fall was set up in the final weekend

837
00:40:38,398 --> 00:40:41,598
Speaker 1: of the season when the Texas Rangers had a division

838
00:40:41,638 --> 00:40:46,318
Speaker 1: title in hand. They clinched a postseason berth on a Saturday,

839
00:40:46,798 --> 00:40:51,118
Speaker 1: and boy did they celebrate. The Astros clinched the postseason

840
00:40:51,118 --> 00:40:53,798
Speaker 1: spot and they're like, yeah, we're not done yet. The

841
00:40:53,838 --> 00:40:56,118
Speaker 1: next day Texas comes back and I'm not saying there's

842
00:40:56,118 --> 00:40:59,078
Speaker 1: a direct correlation, but you got to feel like emotionally

843
00:40:59,158 --> 00:41:01,078
Speaker 1: they let down a little bit. They couldn't score a

844
00:41:01,118 --> 00:41:05,798
Speaker 1: single run against Seattle. They fell into the wildcard spot,

845
00:41:06,118 --> 00:41:09,118
Speaker 1: so rather than a bye in the first round, they

846
00:41:09,198 --> 00:41:13,678
Speaker 1: wind up having to fly from Seattle to Tampa to

847
00:41:13,758 --> 00:41:16,078
Speaker 1: play in the most difficult place to win a game

848
00:41:16,118 --> 00:41:18,198
Speaker 1: in the American League. And that's the drop. That is

849
00:41:18,238 --> 00:41:22,358
Speaker 1: a huge downfall for the Texas Rangers. By the way

850
00:41:22,398 --> 00:41:25,638
Speaker 1: they lost that last game of the season. Flip side

851
00:41:26,078 --> 00:41:30,958
Speaker 1: Houston back as division winners huge advantage with the buye

852
00:41:31,238 --> 00:41:35,358
Speaker 1: if they went into a division or wildcard series justin

853
00:41:35,478 --> 00:41:37,518
Speaker 1: Verlander would not have been able to take the ball

854
00:41:37,518 --> 00:41:40,158
Speaker 1: in Game one because he pitched over the weekend in Seattle.

855
00:41:40,598 --> 00:41:43,038
Speaker 1: Now they get Verlander, who was terrific in the last

856
00:41:43,038 --> 00:41:46,078
Speaker 1: week at the season, rested for a Game one in

857
00:41:46,118 --> 00:41:49,758
Speaker 1: the division series with from Bravaldez behind him. I think that,

858
00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:53,038
Speaker 1: to me, set up this entire postseason schedule in the

859
00:41:53,078 --> 00:41:57,158
Speaker 1: American League. The Astros and all due respect to the Orioles,

860
00:41:57,198 --> 00:42:00,038
Speaker 1: because I think they're actually underrated even though they have

861
00:42:00,078 --> 00:42:02,518
Speaker 1: the best record in the American League. They're starting pitching

862
00:42:02,598 --> 00:42:05,198
Speaker 1: is way better than people think. I am not going

863
00:42:05,198 --> 00:42:07,878
Speaker 1: against the Houston Astros. I saw that in the last

864
00:42:07,918 --> 00:42:10,678
Speaker 1: week of the season, Joe. They come off losing a

865
00:42:10,758 --> 00:42:13,998
Speaker 1: series swept at home by the Kansas City Royals. So

866
00:42:14,078 --> 00:42:16,718
Speaker 1: they go on the road to play at cl in

867
00:42:16,758 --> 00:42:20,358
Speaker 1: Arizona and they go five to one and win the

868
00:42:20,398 --> 00:42:23,558
Speaker 1: division title. Do not count this team out. Michael Brantley's

869
00:42:23,558 --> 00:42:25,878
Speaker 1: back in the lineup. I mean, they just you talk

870
00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:29,358
Speaker 1: about pedigrees. They remind me, and I know this is

871
00:42:29,398 --> 00:42:32,318
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hyperbole, like the nineties Yankees,

872
00:42:32,318 --> 00:42:34,998
Speaker 1: and you remember that team, Joe, no matter what situation

873
00:42:35,078 --> 00:42:37,118
Speaker 1: you had them in, they would find an answer. Not

874
00:42:37,118 --> 00:42:39,518
Speaker 1: saying they're gonna win and rattle off three championships in

875
00:42:39,518 --> 00:42:42,638
Speaker 1: a row. But what I am saying is, don't count

876
00:42:42,678 --> 00:42:44,758
Speaker 1: this team out until they're actually out.

877
00:42:45,158 --> 00:42:50,198
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, first of all, for the Rangers to

878
00:42:50,238 --> 00:42:54,878
Speaker 2: put themselves in that position really hard to imagine.

879
00:42:55,358 --> 00:42:57,078
Speaker 3: It is. It's a great advantage for the Astros.

880
00:42:57,118 --> 00:42:59,958
Speaker 2: It's a great disadvantage for Texas to have to fly,

881
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,398
Speaker 2: like you say, from Seattle to Tampa and then have

882
00:43:02,438 --> 00:43:04,558
Speaker 2: to play in that ballpark there. That was always my

883
00:43:04,718 --> 00:43:08,078
Speaker 2: goal when I was the Raised manager. I wanted that.

884
00:43:08,198 --> 00:43:09,998
Speaker 2: I wanted to call it the pit. I wanted that

885
00:43:10,038 --> 00:43:12,638
Speaker 2: place to be the pit. I wanted when people walked

886
00:43:12,638 --> 00:43:13,838
Speaker 2: in that building they know where.

887
00:43:13,638 --> 00:43:15,438
Speaker 3: They were at. That was going to be very difficult

888
00:43:15,438 --> 00:43:15,758
Speaker 3: to win.

889
00:43:16,238 --> 00:43:19,958
Speaker 2: The sitelines are different, Uh, your depth perception is different.

890
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,518
Speaker 2: Everything about it, just the barometric pressure felt different. Everything

891
00:43:23,558 --> 00:43:27,478
Speaker 2: about that place is different, and it's uncomfortable when you

892
00:43:27,518 --> 00:43:28,598
Speaker 2: make when you have to come down.

893
00:43:28,598 --> 00:43:30,638
Speaker 3: And we got beaten there. Yes, the Rangers did beat

894
00:43:30,678 --> 00:43:31,198
Speaker 3: us there.

895
00:43:31,598 --> 00:43:34,318
Speaker 2: Back in the day because Belcher was so good. But

896
00:43:34,998 --> 00:43:39,078
Speaker 2: tremendous disadvantage for the Rangers to have to make that trip,

897
00:43:39,118 --> 00:43:42,438
Speaker 2: play that team in that building and forfeit some of

898
00:43:42,438 --> 00:43:44,838
Speaker 2: the rest they could have had otherwise. Having said that,

899
00:43:44,878 --> 00:43:47,158
Speaker 2: I mean, and you're talking about the Astros, and yeah,

900
00:43:47,238 --> 00:43:50,078
Speaker 2: they're they're great, and they're wonderful, and everybody seems to

901
00:43:50,078 --> 00:43:50,478
Speaker 2: be clicking.

902
00:43:50,518 --> 00:43:52,078
Speaker 3: But what's up with their record at home?

903
00:43:52,238 --> 00:43:53,798
Speaker 1: I don't get Do you have.

904
00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:54,198
Speaker 3: Any of it?

905
00:43:54,438 --> 00:43:57,078
Speaker 2: I mean, is there any is there any concrete reasoning

906
00:43:57,158 --> 00:43:59,718
Speaker 2: behind that, because again, they go on the road go

907
00:43:59,918 --> 00:44:00,478
Speaker 2: five and one.

908
00:44:00,518 --> 00:44:02,758
Speaker 3: Had they played at home with they've gone five and one.

909
00:44:02,878 --> 00:44:06,398
Speaker 2: Which is kind of like again incongruent because it's based

910
00:44:06,438 --> 00:44:08,798
Speaker 2: on their history there. I know we've gotten past it,

911
00:44:08,838 --> 00:44:10,478
Speaker 2: but the fact that they all the things that have

912
00:44:10,518 --> 00:44:12,878
Speaker 2: been going on there, the banging on the trash can,

913
00:44:12,918 --> 00:44:15,198
Speaker 2: et cetera, and the advantages they've had there, now of

914
00:44:15,238 --> 00:44:18,158
Speaker 2: a sudden it's a disadvantage. I don't understand. I don't

915
00:44:18,158 --> 00:44:21,358
Speaker 2: even love to know any kind of theories regarding that.

916
00:44:21,878 --> 00:44:24,158
Speaker 2: Having said all that, if you're picking the Astros, I'm

917
00:44:24,158 --> 00:44:27,478
Speaker 2: still picking Baltimore. I'm staying with my guys up there.

918
00:44:27,518 --> 00:44:30,758
Speaker 2: I'm staying with Brandon, staying with that athletic team because

919
00:44:30,798 --> 00:44:33,558
Speaker 2: they do play well in Houston. Also, I don't know

920
00:44:33,678 --> 00:44:37,878
Speaker 2: what the deal is with Houston in Baltimore. But there's

921
00:44:37,918 --> 00:44:41,238
Speaker 2: something about the Ools right now. They're athleticism there and

922
00:44:41,278 --> 00:44:42,518
Speaker 2: again talking about grit.

923
00:44:42,518 --> 00:44:43,998
Speaker 3: They're like the American.

924
00:44:43,718 --> 00:44:46,358
Speaker 2: League version of the Phillies to me, and that'd be

925
00:44:46,398 --> 00:44:48,118
Speaker 2: a great replay from years ago.

926
00:44:48,358 --> 00:44:50,518
Speaker 3: Was in the eighties Phillies.

927
00:44:50,158 --> 00:44:53,078
Speaker 1: And the Truth three. Yeah, good travel series too.

928
00:44:53,158 --> 00:44:57,838
Speaker 2: Yeah that it's a tremendous travel series. But I can

929
00:44:57,918 --> 00:45:00,638
Speaker 2: see that happening. I don't think Baltimore is going to

930
00:45:00,718 --> 00:45:04,318
Speaker 2: back off these guys when he's the frame his team

931
00:45:04,318 --> 00:45:07,638
Speaker 2: of destiny. But definitely there's something about him that's so

932
00:45:07,718 --> 00:45:11,238
Speaker 2: attractive to me. I think Hyder's done a great job

933
00:45:11,438 --> 00:45:17,358
Speaker 2: leading them despite being hider Brandon Brendon Hyde, he's got

934
00:45:17,358 --> 00:45:20,758
Speaker 2: the stoic method about him. He's he's one of the

935
00:45:20,798 --> 00:45:23,078
Speaker 2: funniest guys that you'll never really realize that he's being.

936
00:45:23,358 --> 00:45:24,838
Speaker 3: He's funny, he doesn't even know he's funny.

937
00:45:25,118 --> 00:45:28,318
Speaker 2: But he's also really bright and he knows, he knows

938
00:45:28,318 --> 00:45:29,038
Speaker 2: what he's doing out there.

939
00:45:29,038 --> 00:45:30,958
Speaker 3: He knows what he knows what he knows, if that.

940
00:45:31,078 --> 00:45:33,238
Speaker 2: Makes any sense. So there's all these little things going

941
00:45:33,238 --> 00:45:35,478
Speaker 2: on there in Baltimore. I think their fan base is

942
00:45:35,478 --> 00:45:40,038
Speaker 2: going to show up. So yes, don't disagree. But the

943
00:45:40,718 --> 00:45:42,838
Speaker 2: thing the incongruity is about the Houston at Homan on

944
00:45:42,878 --> 00:45:45,358
Speaker 2: the road is weird. But I just think that Baltimore

945
00:45:45,398 --> 00:45:46,878
Speaker 2: is a team that's going to get it done this year.

946
00:45:47,198 --> 00:45:48,518
Speaker 3: Baltimore Philadelphia.

947
00:45:48,598 --> 00:45:51,358
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me first address the Houston thing, because there

948
00:45:51,758 --> 00:45:55,318
Speaker 1: was a story that they repainted the batter's eye in

949
00:45:55,398 --> 00:45:57,958
Speaker 1: center field there in Houston that might have something to

950
00:45:57,958 --> 00:46:00,838
Speaker 1: do that. I think that's baloney. Joe. I don't know

951
00:46:00,838 --> 00:46:03,318
Speaker 1: about you, but when I look at home road splits,

952
00:46:03,918 --> 00:46:07,358
Speaker 1: they really don't try to explain them. I think it's

953
00:46:07,438 --> 00:46:09,918
Speaker 1: just the function of how you're playing at a particular time.

954
00:46:10,478 --> 00:46:13,358
Speaker 1: Why would the Houston Astros be a bad team at home?

955
00:46:13,518 --> 00:46:15,478
Speaker 1: A losing record at home only to two thousand and

956
00:46:15,558 --> 00:46:17,838
Speaker 1: one Braves in a full season ever made the postseason

957
00:46:17,878 --> 00:46:20,318
Speaker 1: with a losing record. I don't put faith in those

958
00:46:20,438 --> 00:46:22,198
Speaker 1: kinds of things. It doesn't make any sense if you

959
00:46:22,198 --> 00:46:24,238
Speaker 1: want to tell me that a right handed hitter is

960
00:46:24,278 --> 00:46:26,478
Speaker 1: better at Fenway Park because it's a hitter's park, or

961
00:46:26,558 --> 00:46:29,038
Speaker 1: hitting in Colorado. Yeah, over the course of time, that's

962
00:46:29,078 --> 00:46:32,998
Speaker 1: going to show up. Why the Houston Astros would be

963
00:46:33,038 --> 00:46:35,918
Speaker 1: a sub five hundred team at home. I'm not going

964
00:46:35,998 --> 00:46:38,438
Speaker 1: to try to explain it. I think it's an anomaly

965
00:46:38,518 --> 00:46:41,838
Speaker 1: and that's it. I think it has absolutely no bearing

966
00:46:42,198 --> 00:46:43,918
Speaker 1: on what happens in this postseason.

967
00:46:44,118 --> 00:46:45,878
Speaker 2: There's something in their heads. I mean that would be

968
00:46:45,958 --> 00:46:49,278
Speaker 2: the only thing. Nothing that's logical, nothing that makes sense,

969
00:46:49,798 --> 00:46:53,638
Speaker 2: nothing that's worth exploring. It's just something that's human and human.

970
00:46:54,678 --> 00:46:57,918
Speaker 2: There's something I don't know. There's something that they probably

971
00:46:57,918 --> 00:47:00,718
Speaker 2: talk about among each other, and is it something that

972
00:47:00,758 --> 00:47:03,198
Speaker 2: they could overcome and get beyond us. There's something legitimately

973
00:47:04,038 --> 00:47:07,878
Speaker 2: different about the ballpark that we don't know about, that

974
00:47:07,918 --> 00:47:10,598
Speaker 2: they know about. So I'm just curious. I would watch it.

975
00:47:10,598 --> 00:47:12,358
Speaker 2: I don't think it's just necessarily going to go away

976
00:47:12,478 --> 00:47:15,238
Speaker 2: because they do. They think about it, they've they've heard

977
00:47:15,278 --> 00:47:17,318
Speaker 2: about it, they talk about it, So there might be

978
00:47:17,318 --> 00:47:20,118
Speaker 2: something minutely different about it that we don't understand.

979
00:47:20,558 --> 00:47:24,558
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as the Orioles, I'm with you on Baltimore.

980
00:47:24,638 --> 00:47:27,798
Speaker 1: I think to me they're the best rally team in

981
00:47:27,838 --> 00:47:31,718
Speaker 1: the postseason. I've seen them come from behind so many

982
00:47:31,838 --> 00:47:34,078
Speaker 1: times this year, and let me tell you, folks, that

983
00:47:34,238 --> 00:47:36,638
Speaker 1: is worth something when you get to October. This team

984
00:47:36,798 --> 00:47:40,198
Speaker 1: believes that it's never out of a game. They don't hope,

985
00:47:40,238 --> 00:47:42,358
Speaker 1: they believe they're coming back. And I think the reason

986
00:47:42,398 --> 00:47:46,038
Speaker 1: for that, Joe is they play very unselfishly. I think

987
00:47:46,078 --> 00:47:49,438
Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde is really instilled that coret disciplined. In this group,

988
00:47:50,118 --> 00:47:52,998
Speaker 1: their superstars are very humble. I'm talking about Gunnar Henderson

989
00:47:53,038 --> 00:47:56,758
Speaker 1: and Attlee Rushman. They play team baseball. I think when

990
00:47:56,758 --> 00:47:59,318
Speaker 1: they move that fence back and up in left field,

991
00:47:59,438 --> 00:48:02,318
Speaker 1: not only did it help their pitchers, who all of

992
00:48:02,358 --> 00:48:04,918
Speaker 1: a sudden started pouring strikes over the plate. It's like,

993
00:48:05,118 --> 00:48:07,158
Speaker 1: try to hit it out and you can't hit it

994
00:48:07,198 --> 00:48:09,838
Speaker 1: out to left field, it has helped their offense as well.

995
00:48:09,958 --> 00:48:12,078
Speaker 1: It's not an easy yard to leave to the pole

996
00:48:12,198 --> 00:48:14,998
Speaker 1: side for right handed hitters, so that encourages players to

997
00:48:15,198 --> 00:48:18,558
Speaker 1: use the whole field, and that to me defines Baltimore

998
00:48:18,558 --> 00:48:21,078
Speaker 1: as a great rally team. They'll do what they need

999
00:48:21,118 --> 00:48:22,998
Speaker 1: to do. They're not trying to get back into a

1000
00:48:23,038 --> 00:48:26,318
Speaker 1: game with one big swing. So when you watch the

1001
00:48:26,358 --> 00:48:28,558
Speaker 1: Orioles play in this postseason, I think they're gonna play

1002
00:48:28,598 --> 00:48:31,198
Speaker 1: the same way. They will come from behind on people.

1003
00:48:31,758 --> 00:48:34,678
Speaker 1: My only concern here and I've got them in the LCS,

1004
00:48:34,678 --> 00:48:36,678
Speaker 1: so it's not like I think they're gonna get knocked

1005
00:48:36,678 --> 00:48:39,478
Speaker 1: out and jumped early. But the loss of Felix Bautista,

1006
00:48:39,998 --> 00:48:43,518
Speaker 1: a lockdown closer who punched out about fifty percent of

1007
00:48:43,518 --> 00:48:45,958
Speaker 1: the batters he's faced, that's big to me. And I

1008
00:48:45,998 --> 00:48:48,598
Speaker 1: know Cano came in and did a nice job, but

1009
00:48:48,878 --> 00:48:52,038
Speaker 1: he hasn't been in that role long. The situations get

1010
00:48:52,078 --> 00:48:56,358
Speaker 1: bigger in the postseason and it moves everybody else in

1011
00:48:56,398 --> 00:49:01,038
Speaker 1: your bullpen carousel up a little bit. I think push

1012
00:49:01,118 --> 00:49:05,318
Speaker 1: comes to shove because I've got Uston over Baltimore. Dusty

1013
00:49:05,398 --> 00:49:09,038
Speaker 1: Baker has more and better options to win a game

1014
00:49:09,198 --> 00:49:13,718
Speaker 1: late than Brandon Hyde, not a lot more, but Brian

1015
00:49:13,758 --> 00:49:16,358
Speaker 1: A Bray who has just been amazing to get to

1016
00:49:17,158 --> 00:49:19,758
Speaker 1: Ryan Presley and a brain who can get out there

1017
00:49:19,758 --> 00:49:21,758
Speaker 1: and get you five or six different outs, and even

1018
00:49:21,758 --> 00:49:25,038
Speaker 1: Presley can get you more than three. That's the one

1019
00:49:25,278 --> 00:49:28,158
Speaker 1: edge I see. And again, maybe that home record for

1020
00:49:28,238 --> 00:49:30,718
Speaker 1: us to mean something, maybe it doesn't, but I know this.

1021
00:49:30,998 --> 00:49:33,198
Speaker 1: You put them on the road have to win a

1022
00:49:33,238 --> 00:49:35,358
Speaker 1: game six or seven to get to the World Series.

1023
00:49:35,838 --> 00:49:37,238
Speaker 1: They absolutely can do it.

1024
00:49:37,358 --> 00:49:38,278
Speaker 3: No question they can.

1025
00:49:38,398 --> 00:49:40,318
Speaker 2: But can they do it in Baltimore against that group

1026
00:49:40,398 --> 00:49:43,438
Speaker 2: just like you describe them I think it's gonna be fast.

1027
00:49:43,758 --> 00:49:45,918
Speaker 2: That's really interesting to me. I love to see it

1028
00:49:45,918 --> 00:49:49,038
Speaker 2: come down to that, those two guys playing each other.

1029
00:49:49,238 --> 00:49:52,958
Speaker 2: And again if the if it in my mind's if

1030
00:49:52,998 --> 00:49:55,678
Speaker 2: it all works out like I can see it working out,

1031
00:49:55,998 --> 00:49:58,438
Speaker 2: it'll be like looking in a mirror, Philly looking at Baltimore,

1032
00:49:58,438 --> 00:50:02,078
Speaker 2: Baltimore looking at Philadelphia. Two very similar teams in regards

1033
00:50:02,118 --> 00:50:05,718
Speaker 2: to their cities, their fan base, where they come from,

1034
00:50:06,198 --> 00:50:08,438
Speaker 2: the kind of teams that they have. If you want

1035
00:50:08,438 --> 00:50:10,038
Speaker 2: to throw back series, if you want to turn back

1036
00:50:10,078 --> 00:50:12,158
Speaker 2: the clock a little bit, I don't think they get

1037
00:50:12,158 --> 00:50:12,798
Speaker 2: any better than that.

1038
00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:15,958
Speaker 1: I'm with you, sign me up. I would take that here.

1039
00:50:15,998 --> 00:50:18,158
Speaker 1: I am. I have the Phillies over the Astros in

1040
00:50:18,198 --> 00:50:20,238
Speaker 1: the World Series, the rematch of last year with a

1041
00:50:20,238 --> 00:50:24,318
Speaker 1: different result. But man, I've loved watching this Baltimore team

1042
00:50:24,478 --> 00:50:28,758
Speaker 1: all year long. Two great fan bases and like I said,

1043
00:50:29,518 --> 00:50:30,878
Speaker 1: can't beat the travel.

1044
00:50:31,558 --> 00:50:36,758
Speaker 3: Right now, come on, that's awesome, that'd be awesome.

1045
00:50:36,838 --> 00:50:39,078
Speaker 1: Who's your final pick? I mean, we heard about your

1046
00:50:39,078 --> 00:50:41,198
Speaker 1: Pennant winners. Who you got winning at all?

1047
00:50:41,358 --> 00:50:43,798
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, and they're looking in the mirror

1048
00:50:44,038 --> 00:50:46,798
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, even just based

1049
00:50:46,838 --> 00:50:49,838
Speaker 2: on regular season record. I'm taking Baltimore. I'm taking the Orioles.

1050
00:50:49,878 --> 00:50:52,438
Speaker 2: I'm taking my boy to go all the way. This year,

1051
00:50:53,038 --> 00:50:55,718
Speaker 2: they won over one hundred games. They did it in

1052
00:50:55,758 --> 00:50:59,638
Speaker 2: a really good division. They're absolutely battle tested. I think there.

1053
00:51:00,278 --> 00:51:02,878
Speaker 2: I just love the way their players go about their

1054
00:51:02,878 --> 00:51:06,318
Speaker 2: business does not be kind of my twenty sixteen Cubs,

1055
00:51:06,318 --> 00:51:08,798
Speaker 2: and even to a certain extent, the Rays.

1056
00:51:08,878 --> 00:51:09,798
Speaker 3: But there's a lot.

1057
00:51:09,638 --> 00:51:11,758
Speaker 2: Of young guys there that don't act like young guys,

1058
00:51:12,398 --> 00:51:14,718
Speaker 2: and there's a couple of just a couple of sprinkled

1059
00:51:14,798 --> 00:51:17,438
Speaker 2: veterans in there. I don't think they're going to be

1060
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:21,758
Speaker 2: intimidated by anything. I think when something bad happens, they're

1061
00:51:21,758 --> 00:51:24,878
Speaker 2: going to bounce back from it quickly. And I just

1062
00:51:24,878 --> 00:51:28,518
Speaker 2: think overall, talent wise, what they got going on the field,

1063
00:51:29,078 --> 00:51:29,878
Speaker 2: I kind of like it.

1064
00:51:30,558 --> 00:51:31,758
Speaker 3: You did mention Trey Turner.

1065
00:51:31,758 --> 00:51:34,158
Speaker 2: I think he's like he's gonna be like the alpha

1066
00:51:34,198 --> 00:51:36,878
Speaker 2: thing for the Phillies. He's going to really come once

1067
00:51:36,918 --> 00:51:39,198
Speaker 2: wrong at this time of the year. I think he's

1068
00:51:39,198 --> 00:51:41,438
Speaker 2: going to really show how good he is. He's been

1069
00:51:41,478 --> 00:51:44,238
Speaker 2: showing that, but the people that doubted his abilities earlier

1070
00:51:44,278 --> 00:51:47,558
Speaker 2: on are really going to see him showcase during the playoffs.

1071
00:51:47,678 --> 00:51:49,918
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I like I

1072
00:51:49,998 --> 00:51:51,998
Speaker 2: like the makeup. I like the makeup of the Orioles.

1073
00:51:52,038 --> 00:51:54,598
Speaker 2: I like the way they and I don't dislike the Phillies.

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00:51:54,918 --> 00:51:57,838
Speaker 2: But I really like this when I look at when

1075
00:51:57,878 --> 00:51:59,598
Speaker 2: I watch them on the gate on TV, when I

1076
00:51:59,598 --> 00:52:02,078
Speaker 2: see these guys and I hear them talk, I just

1077
00:52:02,638 --> 00:52:05,558
Speaker 2: there's a humility about them, like you suggested, and there's

1078
00:52:05,598 --> 00:52:07,358
Speaker 2: an absolute they believe.

1079
00:52:07,438 --> 00:52:10,718
Speaker 3: They believe in themselves and each other. So I got Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: It's a good call. And boy, I can't wait to

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00:52:13,598 --> 00:52:16,398
Speaker 1: see and hear the energy in that ballpark when it's

1082
00:52:16,438 --> 00:52:19,358
Speaker 1: been a while. Essentially, you know, a generation of younger

1083
00:52:19,398 --> 00:52:21,678
Speaker 1: fans who haven't seen your team, you know, win a

1084
00:52:21,718 --> 00:52:24,838
Speaker 1: postseason series and make a run. You know, they're hungry.

1085
00:52:24,878 --> 00:52:27,118
Speaker 1: It's a great baseball town. It's good to see baseball

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00:52:27,158 --> 00:52:30,798
Speaker 1: back and alive in Baltimore these days. Well this is fun, Joe.

1087
00:52:30,878 --> 00:52:34,198
Speaker 1: I mean, let the games begin. Post season baseball is here.

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00:52:35,078 --> 00:52:36,678
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to come back later in the week

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00:52:36,718 --> 00:52:38,918
Speaker 1: and do a very similar preview and pick on the

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00:52:38,958 --> 00:52:42,998
Speaker 1: division series once the matchups are set from this wildcard series.

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Speaker 1: So to take us out for the start of the

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00:52:46,398 --> 00:52:49,358
Speaker 1: postseason fun. Who do you have for us today?

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00:52:49,678 --> 00:52:50,958
Speaker 3: I have Jordan Peterson.

1094
00:52:50,998 --> 00:52:56,958
Speaker 2: I've really been following this guy a lot from Canadian dude, doctor, psychologist, psychiatrist.

1095
00:52:57,638 --> 00:53:00,478
Speaker 2: Really I love listening to him. He's got a lot

1096
00:53:00,478 --> 00:53:04,198
Speaker 2: of wonderful points and theories and expresses himself so well.

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00:53:04,198 --> 00:53:07,518
Speaker 2: But again, here it goes because it applies when you

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00:53:07,558 --> 00:53:09,958
Speaker 2: have something to say, Silence.

1099
00:53:09,598 --> 00:53:10,918
Speaker 3: Is a lie. You know.

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00:53:11,318 --> 00:53:13,998
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that, you know, and I think it

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00:53:14,038 --> 00:53:18,038
Speaker 2: happens too often, especially with the advent and the popularity

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00:53:18,078 --> 00:53:22,798
Speaker 2: of social media, we tend to not say things because

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00:53:22,838 --> 00:53:25,638
Speaker 2: you don't want to stir up the hornet's nest or

1104
00:53:26,198 --> 00:53:28,518
Speaker 2: have this contrived group.

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00:53:30,918 --> 00:53:31,518
Speaker 3: Against you.

1106
00:53:31,558 --> 00:53:34,758
Speaker 2: For some they just combined forces kind of a thing.

1107
00:53:35,278 --> 00:53:37,598
Speaker 2: So when you have something to say, silence is a lie.

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00:53:37,638 --> 00:53:39,478
Speaker 2: So just tell me what you think now what you've heard.

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00:53:39,478 --> 00:53:43,198
Speaker 2: It's on one of my paintings with the Spy versus Spy.

1110
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Speaker 2: I love that, and again I really enjoy listening to

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00:53:46,558 --> 00:53:48,398
Speaker 2: this fellaw. I got to get his book. I think

1112
00:53:48,438 --> 00:53:50,358
Speaker 2: it absolutely resonates for me personally.

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Speaker 1: Well said and as usual, well done, Joe. We'll meet

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00:53:54,198 --> 00:53:57,238
Speaker 1: again as we get into the Division Series round.

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Speaker 3: You Tube brother, thanks a lot man.

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