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Speaker 1: Welcome on name, I'm Riyan Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: You know us from Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: We are here though in Los Angeles for this press conference.

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Speaker 2: Well well, well.

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Speaker 4: Ready to go, Jail before.

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Speaker 1: We get going, you need anything you could take down

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Speaker 1: one of those up there.

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Speaker 2: No, it does look very I'm weirried of get it

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Speaker 2: on my shirt. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, these are real mal problems. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know how to introduce our next guest,

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Speaker 5: UFC veteran bellator, veteran media mogul, the gangster from Westland, Oregon.

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Speaker 4: He's many names, many hats.

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Speaker 1: He's never lost and never failed the drug test.

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Speaker 4: There you go, it's my friend and yours it's jail

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Speaker 4: Son and I jail.

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Speaker 2: What's happening?

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Speaker 5: Guys going to be back with Yes, so we're here today.

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Speaker 5: We're all here today because in about an hour from now.

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Speaker 5: Of course this will come out probably afterwards, but we

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Speaker 5: are here for the Jake Paul Anderson Silva boxing. Yes, hey, hey,

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Speaker 5: and you're gonna be hosting today's presser.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right in the absence of the great hero

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Speaker 2: Aral Hawane. But I'm excited about it, by the way,

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Speaker 2: and I'm also very curious. I think I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: gut feeling. I think the world wants this fight. I

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Speaker 2: think they're going to be excited. But today we'll let

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Speaker 2: us know. And there was already fans lined up outside.

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Speaker 2: We're two hours early. There's fans lined up to get

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Speaker 2: in this thing. I think they're on to something here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I gotta cut you off to ask the question.

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Speaker 3: Most people are thinking, you're gonna be officiating this presser.

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Speaker 3: This fight's gonna be big come August twenty ninth in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: But Anderson Silva, you definitely suck. I mean, we've heard

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Speaker 3: variations of that through the years.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys back.

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Speaker 2: I have not seen him since. I have not seen

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Speaker 2: him say and I wish our relationship with better. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I put those things behind me. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: he has and I have not seen him since.

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Speaker 5: So are you planning to talk to him at all today?

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Speaker 5: Beyond the official capacity of hosting.

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Speaker 2: If I had a choice, I would like to say

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Speaker 2: hello to him before we go out there. Here's what

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Speaker 2: I don't want. I don't want him, you know, when

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Speaker 2: I'm in this capacity, I don't want him to come

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Speaker 2: out and think that I'm going to double cross him

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Speaker 2: or make it anything about you know this, this is

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Speaker 2: his moment. I'm just I'm just standing in the middle.

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Speaker 2: But I would prefer that he knew that.

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Speaker 5: What did you How do you view Anderson Silva, especially

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Speaker 5: like post UFC, like.

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Speaker 4: He has had a really remarkable little run here events. Strangely,

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Speaker 4: I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: Anderson loved the sport the way he does. When we

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Speaker 2: were competing. Sometimes I had a hard time getting a

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Speaker 2: match with him, and I'd have done anything. I loved this.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to be in there and compete with

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Speaker 2: those guys more of a wrestling mindset. And the fact

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Speaker 2: that he is still here and he's still training and

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Speaker 2: he's still doing this thing. I mean, he showed that

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Speaker 2: he really loves the sport and he's another capacity. He's

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Speaker 2: also a trainer. You know his boys are doing real well?

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Speaker 4: Oh his kids you mean yeah, yes, Yeah, he's.

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Speaker 2: Got two boys that are a striker. There's a striker search

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Speaker 2: going around there, entering a competition to try to get recognized.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: How do you feel about the whole YouTube boxing thing,

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Speaker 5: which Jake is a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit graduated from at this point, He's still the face.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: There was this event recently, I forget the name of

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Speaker 5: it was over the weekend. In fact, one of Jake's

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Speaker 5: early opponents.

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Speaker 1: Social and yeah, guy that you called on Twitter, I.

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Speaker 5: Didn't know he was, and I referred to him as

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Speaker 5: that's very like you.

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Speaker 4: You think that's very fair. But uh, nevertheless, he sort

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Speaker 4: of moved a little bit beyond that.

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Speaker 5: He's not fighting other guys on TikTok, he's fighting fucking

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Speaker 5: Anderson Silva. And yet there's still it's a it's a

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Speaker 5: weird space. How do you feel about it?

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Speaker 2: I like that you said that because I think that

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Speaker 2: he deserves that. For Jake to step in here with

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Speaker 2: Amerson Silva and this is showing a massive courage. He's

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Speaker 2: told everybody, I want to be part of this community

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Speaker 2: know why it was so important him. You think the

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Speaker 2: guy's got his whole life figured out. He's got some money,

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Speaker 2: he's got some bame, and he's a young man, but no,

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Speaker 2: he wants acceptance badly.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He listens to the fans closely, and I do think

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Speaker 2: we need to start talking about Jake differently. It's not

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Speaker 2: just entertainment anymore. This, this is the gig stops at

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Speaker 2: Anderson Silva. He's not playing in there. You don't play

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Speaker 2: with Anderson Selm.

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Speaker 5: Anderson also, like against Chavis Junior, that fight was like

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Speaker 5: he took.

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Speaker 4: It to him. And then against Tito Jesus, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean he did exactly what you should do, and yet

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Speaker 3: I still came away like, holy shit, he still got

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Speaker 3: I mean he put it on.

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Speaker 2: And he can. I go back to that seaw Ves

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Speaker 2: because many people do miss this about Anderson's career. His

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Speaker 2: skills are so good. He's dynamic, he's versatile, but he

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Speaker 2: is a gas tank. People forget about that. You could

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Speaker 2: tell me a fifthat we'll use mma. You can tell

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Speaker 2: me a fifth round that Anderson Silva had that he

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Speaker 2: lost against anybody. Uh, you know, he comes on strong

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Speaker 2: and guys like that get credit. These guys that can

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Speaker 2: I thought he showed that with Shavez to go all

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Speaker 2: of those rounds. One thing people miss. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: not just very good, he's a tough one bitch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how strong is Anderson Silva.

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Speaker 2: I probably would have put him in that category. But

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Speaker 2: it's similar to strengthcause you're talking about leverage, you're about

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Speaker 2: you know, he can do stuff in positions.

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Speaker 5: He can really talking about pure bench press numbers. But

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Speaker 2: With him, I don't I don't think you would leave

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Speaker 2: thinking he was strong, saying the capacity of a Dan

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Speaker 2: Henderson or a you should o comy. But he's also

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Speaker 2: not weak. Yeah, yeah, unusually Dan Henderson is too. Dan

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Speaker 2: Hereerson is deceptively strong man.

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Speaker 1: Dan Henderson's all bad. You still see him public with

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy, what's the same one? Actually he's

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Speaker 1: Did well, he did well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but there was there was a few years there

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Speaker 5: I mean he was going on tour.

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Speaker 2: Ll.

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Speaker 3: The theme of this show Room Service diaries is typically

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Speaker 3: us complaining about our you know, low tee in life

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Speaker 3: in our mid forties.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time we're kind of relatable.

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you attacting to being, with due respect

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Speaker 3: a washed piece of ship?

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Speaker 1: Now that you're away.

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Speaker 2: From the game, I will share with you, and I

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Speaker 2: think you can relate. It's it's thank you to whoever

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Speaker 2: but he had a clause way in he was even resisted.

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Speaker 2: Right now he said he's a big thing they're nominating

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Speaker 2: for awards, but not at one point when he was

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Speaker 2: being resisted. And you've got to get through that.

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Speaker 1: And John Johnston, the hell that press conticipation? You remember that, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Just bringing up l's here, we could talk about your

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Speaker 3: The men, you know, you know, I mean you say

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Speaker 3: I blew you off last night. You wanted to hang

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Speaker 3: out and do drugs. I fell asleep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't believe it. You're gonna have to get

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Speaker 4: over there. I mean you are bad at doing drugs,

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Speaker 2: And when you say do drugs? What?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: What are we talking?

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Speaker 5: We got okay, chill, we are pathetic little nothings. We're

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Speaker 5: not trying to do the hard stuff. I just wanted to,

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Speaker 1: That, to get handsy though, like it's a little too much, brother,

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Speaker 1: it's not.

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Speaker 2: We're not in Philadelphia here though, bro Okay, I know

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Speaker 2: friends like that. As a night goes on, all of

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Speaker 2: sudden they want to get in a wrestling match. You know, I.

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Speaker 1: Gottha Davies put both hands down my pants one time.

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Speaker 1: The damn warlock. You know that guy kick at you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, just big kick this big, it's a kick, and

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Speaker 5: Gareth doesn't understand the concept of personal space, like both

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Speaker 5: with the chattiness and with the hand chill. Nevertheless, though,

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Speaker 5: like after fighting, did you you have carved out a

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Speaker 5: really interesting career for yourself, certainly on YouTube and other

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Speaker 5: places as well. What was your plan after fighting? Because

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Speaker 5: you opened up the pizza place and some of the

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Speaker 5: stuff like that. Did you know you'd be in a

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: No, And you know, I even even when I was

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Speaker 2: dreaming about what I'm gonna do, I'm in high school.

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Speaker 2: You know, my father's putting pressure on me. In college,

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Speaker 2: you could never say something like this. This didn't exist, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm in digital space and then it wasn't a big thing.

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Speaker 2: But also commentating wasn't a thing we had, you know,

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Speaker 2: Goldberg and Rogan had that lockdown. There were six events

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Speaker 2: and I do. I do enjoy speaking about the sport.

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Speaker 2: I am. I am a true fan where I mean,

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Speaker 2: I watch and I study these guys non stuff. I'm

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Speaker 2: on the internet and reading stuff, watching YouTube. So very nice,

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Speaker 2: very nice position.

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Speaker 5: What is the key to it? But folks always ask,

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Speaker 5: what's the key to a job like that? Well, for

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Speaker 5: partly you have to be like a famous fighter, but

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Speaker 5: beyond that.

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Speaker 2: To build your base. Yeah, no, that sure is true.

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Speaker 2: To stick around. But I found consistency. And we've had

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Speaker 2: a hard time in the sport, even the last seven weeks.

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Speaker 2: The sport of boxing NMMA has been a little bit down.

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Speaker 2: Finding topics, particularly as of late, I found to be hard.

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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people that do what

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Speaker 2: I do, but they didn't go in to record. They

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Speaker 2: just wasn't a show to do. And I get five

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Speaker 2: a day every day, no matter. I found that consistency

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Speaker 2: is probably five.

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Speaker 4: A day, five a day, every day.

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Speaker 2: Eight minutes a piece, by the way, yeah, about eight minutes.

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Speaker 1: There's reps, keep you fresh, you know what.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a lot. That's actually that's a lot Jesus,

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Speaker 4: why five I.

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Speaker 2: Five was just the number that we went with. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You can get carved up. Is it worth is it

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Speaker 2: But I don't share that with you. And I want

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad doesn't mostly just tells tells me I

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Speaker 1: Uh No, he has doesn't tell them anything at.

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Speaker 4: All that that actually doesn't talk to me at all. No. No,

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Speaker 4: I have a fine relationship. But like the fact that

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Speaker 5: Cannot possibly explain how divergent it is from every other

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Speaker 1: It's utterly they love him, but could they name the show.

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Speaker 5: It's like they gave birth. It's like they gave birth

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Speaker 5: what what the we're gonna do with this thing?

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Speaker 3: You know how many times, given your colorful microphone ability,

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Speaker 2: That every single time, Like where's my royalty check?

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Speaker 1: I should get ten cents off.

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Speaker 2: Of that and anything? And maybe not that, but I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, at the risk here, this one is different, dude,

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Speaker 5: I find it surprising, to be honest, and the odds makers,

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Speaker 2: I'm not buying into the whole age thing, and I

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Speaker 2: The rules would stop you had they not got in Mexico,

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Speaker 2: he passed the test in my opinion, still, uh.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 5: If Jake asked you for a piece of advice on

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Speaker 2: Engage and do not stand back. Do not watch those movements.

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Speaker 2: My coach Clay would call Anderson the Medusa. He would

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Speaker 2: You got engage. You gotta engage when he does that,

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Speaker 2: or if he does it, you got to back out.

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you that with the guy with Jake, like,

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Speaker 3: A Chail's point, he's got to use the youth size

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Speaker 2: People forget that. People put pressure on Anderson Silva. Go

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Speaker 2: back to MMA. Show me one fifth round he was

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Speaker 3: I'm his fight against Autasanya, which which is the most

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Speaker 1: Was like just three years ago.

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Speaker 4: He didn't win that game, wasn't.

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Speaker 3: In fact, he had some moments that ultimately disciplined out

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have a string of knockouts losses between now

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Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna get a real fight here.

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Speaker 3: I think the thing I want to find out most

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and there is something very significant.

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Speaker 2: But when we do see a guy come back, he's

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Speaker 5: Uh okay, that's a fair point by me. I think

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Speaker 3: It became harder, as it is for guys' age to

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Speaker 5: Jill, let me ask you something, and I said, I

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Speaker 5: that when Anderson left the UFC, it was in the

440
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Speaker 5: apex scranted it was still like the hangover of the pandemic,

441
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Speaker 5: which isn't nearly as much of a problem. But Nate

442
00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,200
Speaker 5: Diez just won this past weekend and that if that's

443
00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,000
Speaker 5: his last UFC fight, he got a great sendoff by

444
00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,400
Speaker 5: virtue of luck and his own engineering, but absent that,

445
00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,200
Speaker 5: it would have been not a great one. And I

446
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,240
Speaker 5: don't think the UFC was trying to dunk on Anderson

447
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:42,800
Speaker 5: when they gave him. I think his last fight was Again,

448
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,680
Speaker 5: I think Rye Hall is right right that, but it

449
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,440
Speaker 5: ended up being like a really quiet exit. I understand

450
00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,800
Speaker 5: the UFC is the highest level, and so there are

451
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Speaker 5: stages below that. There are other things you can do.

452
00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,520
Speaker 5: It's not officially a sendoff from the sport. Nevertheless, though,

453
00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,720
Speaker 5: it's they're a better way for the UFC to give

454
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Speaker 5: the goodbyes, especially people like Anderson, the mount Rushmore types. Right,

455
00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,280
Speaker 5: how do you do that for a guy like that

456
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Speaker 5: in that scenario, especially when they're losing all the time.

457
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Speaker 2: Sure, but it was very unique. I mean Dana had

458
00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,400
Speaker 2: announced for Anderson this is going to be his last fight,

459
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Speaker 2: and then he put him in a main event, and

460
00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,439
Speaker 2: that's also unique with Nate. A main event of a

461
00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,199
Speaker 2: pay per view just generally isn't how you send the

462
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Speaker 2: guy off right, kind of take his shine away. I

463
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,960
Speaker 2: can remember Pedro his who had a great career I

464
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,359
Speaker 2: can remember Rico Rodriguez who had great careers. You know,

465
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,960
Speaker 2: these guys were very close to champions. One of them

466
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,320
Speaker 2: was they last fight was on an undercart. I mean

467
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Speaker 2: there is a history in the UFC where you pull

468
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,280
Speaker 2: a guy down before you send him off the pay

469
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Speaker 2: per view and the promotion of moving him up is

470
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Speaker 2: for the guys that we still have. So I think

471
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Speaker 2: that it was very consistent. And I like how you

472
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Speaker 2: said that that Nate got a great sendoff largely because

473
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Speaker 2: of his own engineering and luck. I believe what's your quote,

474
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of truth to imagine him. He's a

475
00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,639
Speaker 2: twelve to one underdog. He wakes up the next day

476
00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,159
Speaker 2: he's a two to one favorite, Like just stop the

477
00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,800
Speaker 2: story right there, without even knowing the details. That is

478
00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,360
Speaker 2: is massive change emotionally.

479
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Speaker 5: If if if Nate ends up fighting Jake Paul right

480
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Speaker 5: with the big if sure sells a million buys, I

481
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Speaker 5: think that it could with the right promotion, that's.

482
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Speaker 3: Right well, and but with some criticism, with some fighting

483
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Speaker 3: between them during the build up.

484
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a few things have to go right, right

485
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Speaker 4: Is that is that possible?

486
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Speaker 2: That's right well, And the only reason I need to

487
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 2: jump on that and say yes, it's because buys are

488
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,680
Speaker 2: so much different now and it's a very different business.

489
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Speaker 2: Like our current record in MMA this year it was

490
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Speaker 2: four hundred one thousand on something that would have you know,

491
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Speaker 2: done more like one point too. I will tell you this,

492
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Speaker 2: there's a rumor, so if we're going to spread it,

493
00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 2: let's spread it. Yeah, Jake versus Nate, but on the

494
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 2: same card Logan versus Nick and that that does wow,

495
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Speaker 2: that the.

496
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Speaker 4: Still under contract right with the yes, yeah, so could

497
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Speaker 4: you do that?

498
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Speaker 2: Well, you'd need somebody to help you out, ye. Dana

499
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,399
Speaker 2: has stated, I don't know if I'm going to use

500
00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,760
Speaker 2: him again, and uh might might be.

501
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.

502
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Speaker 5: He was a little bit non committal about that. Looked

503
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 5: great again. Jake Shields told me that there was. It

504
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,920
Speaker 5: was just it was a series of really unfortunate circumstances

505
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,399
Speaker 5: and that he was more or less physically unprepared for

506
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,760
Speaker 5: the moment, which I'm willing to believe. I'm willing to

507
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,960
Speaker 5: believe that that's not the best version of even what

508
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,160
Speaker 5: is still left of Nick didn't look great.

509
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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't want to be in there, and he

510
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,199
Speaker 3: said it took a lot of punch I felt as

511
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Speaker 3: though he was doing better than maybe he thought.

512
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Speaker 2: You know, he waved it off and stopped, which is

513
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,640
Speaker 2: nowhere within his DNA that we've ever seen. I think

514
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 2: he was a lot more competitive in that fight than

515
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Speaker 2: maybe he knew at the moment. He took a lot

516
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,200
Speaker 2: of punches from Robbie, but he gave a lot back.

517
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Speaker 4: He did.

518
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a lot. He still got some fire

519
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 5: in his belly when he needs it. It just he

520
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 5: seemed so, he seemed old. Yeah, he was standing there.

521
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Speaker 2: He was a little bit you.

522
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Speaker 5: You and I like we're roughly the same age. I

523
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 5: remember watching Nick Das coming up. He's always been associated

524
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Speaker 5: with youth to me, like the next level, the new

525
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,679
Speaker 5: hot ship. And then to see a guy was like,

526
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 5: you know, visibly got all it changes it. It really

527
00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 5: is jarring to see that. If you're advising Nate on

528
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 5: what to do next, what do you tell him? Because

529
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 5: he the world is his oyster? Holy shit?

530
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 4: Right?

531
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 2: Sure, hey, I'll tell you what. The world of promotion

532
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: has a very tough business. It's an extremely hard thing.

533
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 2: You know. We saw kobeb come in and you know,

534
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: maybe some even rumors that Kobebe's going to slow down

535
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,439
Speaker 2: a little bits. It's just a really tough space to

536
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 2: get into. I would encourage him to be careful. Don't

537
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 2: go out and sign a whole bunch of anything. Don't

538
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Speaker 2: book five yeah.

539
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: Real made some hats.

540
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Speaker 4: Don't line up.

541
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,439
Speaker 2: You know, thirty guys under multi fight contracts. There's promotion

542
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 2: and there's event organizing, and I think right now, an

543
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 2: event organ one time, an event organizing is the right move.

544
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 2: I think I want to give you advice.

545
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: Two years ago, I'm even the greatest promoter ever.

546
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Speaker 3: Dana White had a ZUFA boxing sure misappened the last

547
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 3: few years, and it's not easy.

548
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people have lost a lot of money

549
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Speaker 1: in this.

550
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Speaker 4: Where is Triller, Oh in trouble being sued? Yeah, it's

551
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Speaker 4: not over.

552
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 1: They may owe you money too. They might never worked

553
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 1: with that.

554
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 2: I know. They've got a few checks out there to do.

555
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 5: They're being sued left and right, but they're not done.

556
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 5: Not as not that I'm aware of, as.

557
00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: Long as Justin Bieber got paid for that car.

558
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 5: Been sued by a couple of artists, Swiss Beats and

559
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 5: some other ones. They've been sued by Sony, They've been

560
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 5: sued by John Tyson, Mike Tyson. They've been sued by

561
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 5: a bunch of sort of smaller creators who were promised

562
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 5: they and they remember they almost didn't pay Covid left.

563
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 5: They did pay him, they did pay him, but it

564
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 5: was a delayed thing. Yeah, they're I don't know, they're

565
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 5: fucking about.

566
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: They don't have a date coming up. They're not working

567
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 2: on it next time, I said, because v Tour was

568
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: under contract with them. But all of a sudden, he's

569
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: gonna fight uh Raman.

570
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Speaker 3: So I was just guessing, which was interesting, right, So

571
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 3: he I thought for sure when he missed the way

572
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 3: and the whole thing got blown up, that's the last.

573
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Speaker 5: We're going to hear of him. He leveraged against vietor

574
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Speaker 5: what do you think about that one. He's a big kid,

575
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 5: by the way, I'll.

576
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Speaker 2: Tell you what he used that He never flinched. That

577
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: thing was completely his fault from my judgment standpoint. He

578
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: would didn't tell anybody. Sorry, he flipped the script. He

579
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 2: did more media after that thing. Did did this? I mean,

580
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Speaker 2: he did turn that.

581
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Speaker 1: It is it's a level of handling.

582
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Speaker 5: He took the old he took the old jail playbook.

583
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 5: There for a little bit of a run. But against

584
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Speaker 5: this version of V Tour, who God only knows you

585
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 5: know what he's doing in his personal.

586
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 2: Tough night out, you think so, I think it's a

587
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: tough night out. I mean, here's some thinking.

588
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 4: About rock Mon. He is, what do you want to say,

589
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 4: an underachiever?

590
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: Yes, right, sure, but he's a big dude.

591
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 4: He does have some legit experience. Yep, he does have

592
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 4: big power.

593
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: He's a six foot three South Paul who's dead, was

594
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: the heavyweight champion of boxing.

595
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Speaker 1: He's gotta have something.

596
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 4: He's gotta have something like V Tour.

597
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 5: I think it's you know, Vitor reminds me like there's

598
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 5: these guys you know this right and doesn't It's a

599
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 5: little bit more common with like wrestling based sports, so

600
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 5: EMMA and wrestling. But these guys who in their first

601
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 5: the beginning of the match, at the beginning of the fight,

602
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 5: they come out like a bat out of hell hamsad

603
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 5: is that way, right? They're just shot out of a

604
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 5: fucking cannon. I feel like V Tour is that way.

605
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 5: But like when V Tour was in UFC, Great, it's

606
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 5: a different circumstance at the end of the run there.

607
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 5: I used to time. It all my watch, he had

608
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Speaker 5: three minutes. He had three minutes of fury, kind of

609
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 5: like BC in the bed, he had three minutes of fury.

610
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: How would you know then?

611
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just guessing, and then

612
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 4: it was over and then it was over. Right.

613
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Speaker 5: I feel like a guy like Rockmand if he's not

614
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 5: terribly stupid, should be able to like drag that out

615
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 5: a couple of rounds and then take over, right.

616
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Speaker 2: I think it'd be a good strategy. I'm interested in

617
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: VTUR boxing. I always take the box like MMA versus boxer.

618
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: In my mind, I have so much respect, you know,

619
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Speaker 2: for the sweet science. Like I thought Oscar dalea hoya

620
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: would destroy VTUR. But Oscar came out after this, and man,

621
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: it was good. I didn't take that.

622
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Speaker 4: Fine he would have beat me was fake.

623
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Speaker 1: The COVID event, the COVID hospital selfie video on me,

624
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: come on, he.

625
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 4: Was literally writhing in agony like someone was poking him

626
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: with hot me. Do you ever see that?

627
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. But either way, I would have

628
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: thought that, you know, the Golden Boy, the Olympic champion

629
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Speaker 2: of the sixth time wheel chain, I would think he

630
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Speaker 2: would go take care of Vitor, who had very limited.

631
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Speaker 3: It depends on the drug testing that in that event, Chilie,

632
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: You playing your greatest hits and talking about him could

633
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: fill any podcast, But people do that all the time.

634
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 3: What's your behind the scenes greatest hits on how you

635
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 3: navigated the business side of it? On times you went

636
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: face to face with Lorenzo and Dana and Jo and

637
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Speaker 3: didn't flinch and god exactly what you were looking for?

638
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, boy, I think I was nice. I mean,

639
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 2: on top of everything else. They'll tell that's the one

640
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: in the business book, won't tell you. If people like you,

641
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 2: it's not a bad thing. I think I was nice

642
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: to work with.

643
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 4: Well, I found that out the hard way too.

644
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's right. I know that you did. But

645
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: I mean the greatest move. If you're talking about a stunt,

646
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: I wanted to fight on the twenty year anniversary, George

647
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre was headlined. I thought that it would do

648
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: new numbers. So I hired a graphic artist who put

649
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: out a poster of me versus Rashat and made a

650
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 2: UFC announcement uh stall their logo, did the whole bit,

651
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: put it out there, and the media went with it

652
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: and Joe Silica, what are you doing about? And they

653
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: made the fight. They had to make the fight. I

654
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: already said that we're the Comaine of the media, will

655
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Speaker 2: print anything.

656
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, worse, Yeah, we are terrible.

657
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Speaker 2: But the UFC was jammed up though, how do we

658
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: not do this? Now that it went out? And I

659
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: thought that was a good caper by me. I thought

660
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: that was a solid move.

661
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 4: Would have been was this?

662
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: It was a twenty year anniversary, could have been twenty

663
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: five year George Saint Pierre fought Johnny Hendrix.

664
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Speaker 4: Oh, y, Comaine have been.

665
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: In that car?

666
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, twenty thirteen, yeah, yeah, roughly twenty thirteen.

667
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Speaker 1: So you look back and say I was a company man.

668
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: Do you look back and say I was always, you know,

669
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 3: a businessman who was ahead of the game, thinking the

670
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: next move, ahead of the establishment.

671
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: How do you sort of grade yourself and how you navigated?

672
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: Well, my whole motivation is I was just a competitor

673
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: that wanted opportunities. That was all that it was. It's

674
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: very hard to get a world title fight, It's hard

675
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: to get main events, and so I was just a

676
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: competitor that wanted opportunities. That was my main motivation. But

677
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: I think when it was done, you could definitely put

678
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: me in the category of company man. When they needed

679
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: a favor, they needed a short notice, they knew who

680
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: to call, and you know, in exchange, I just wanted

681
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: the opportunity. So I mean, I felt like we were

682
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: both doing what the other one wanted. They thought I

683
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: was a great guy willing to help out, but I

684
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: wanted those calls.

685
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 4: So it is your view that like the way you

686
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 4: were able to advance was I'm going to do them

687
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: a solid and then just hope on the back end

688
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: that they reward that very much.

689
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, you tend to very much. So hey, I'm

690
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: seeing Colby Comington doing that. Colby's doing doing everything right

691
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: and going, hey, wait a minute, I'm doing more than

692
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: the guys that are getting and I think Koby's getting

693
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: a little bit frustrated with it. I don't think he's

694
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: going to change, But there is some stuff within this

695
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: sport where the better you are to do something, or

696
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: the more willing you are, your only reward is you

697
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: get asked to do it again and again. I think

698
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: the Gilbert Burns, I think that all the favors that

699
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: he's pulled and all the tough that he's done. I'm

700
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: not sure that that's getting paid back in some way.

701
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 5: That's the only part. It's like, I think that that

702
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 5: model definitely worked for you. I just don't know how

703
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 5: scalable that model is for the roster. You're only a

704
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 5: couple of guys or ladies or whatever. Angela Hill, for example,

705
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 5: like she says yes to everything, and I think she's

706
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: gotten some opportunity.

707
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: You've got to be great to win the hard fights

708
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: that you're putting yourself in by being so willing to

709
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: shout anybody at any time. You need magic, you need luck,

710
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: you need everything. That's why when you see guys go

711
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: on these special next level runs, the McGregor from twenty

712
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty sixteen, it's like everything has to go perfectly.

713
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of McGregor's out that door. There's

714
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: just not there's not a lot of jail sons out

715
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 3: that day.

716
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: Hey, they just had to move over the week where

717
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: they had to put three fights together. I mean John

718
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: Jones has been out two years because we can't get

719
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: the fight made. I mean Hunter and Dana had to

720
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: put three fights together. Backsta, you go and fight Jamai.

721
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: It's a number one contendership, you fight Jamia getting a

722
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: whole bunch of money. I guarantee Kevin Holland just said yes.

723
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: I'd have got him one hundred grand on the spot

724
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: and a no cut clause. I mean right, it just

725
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: would and they would have said yes like that. I

726
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: guarantee Holland was just he wanted to do it. He

727
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: wanted to do the match. But I feel like guys

728
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: like that, I do hope they get paid back down the.

729
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: Road, especially the Leach.

730
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 5: The Leach was the only one I got fucked because

731
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 5: of all the six, he was the only one that

732
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 5: had to then fight an opponent who was way above him.

733
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 5: And wait, they looked like they were different weight classes

734
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 5: when they were in there against not Rodrigue is his fault.

735
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 5: He was supposed to fight Holland on the catchways it

736
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 5: just worked out that way. He kind of got screwed

737
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 5: a little bit, I feel it, and the judges kind

738
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 5: of fucked him maybe too.

739
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people think that. Yeah. I think

740
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: it was a split decision overall. But Dana came out

741
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: and said he had it the other way. He thought

742
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: the Leach one I had Rodriguz. By the way, I

743
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: thought it was a really close thing.

744
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: I thought the Leach got handled there. But I want

745
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: to spin it to this handled handled by the judges.

746
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: I throw a lot of statement til you're right. I

747
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: don't accurately define what I really mean. I meant handled

748
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: by the judges a bit Chailluh. Let's say UFC calls

749
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: up and says, we'd like you.

750
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: To consult with us as a matchmaker. You know, we'd

751
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: like you to come into the war room.

752
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: They say, we probably got three to four blockbusters left

753
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 3: with McGregor.

754
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: What do we do with him?

755
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 4: Jill? What do you say?

756
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: I have a weakness and matchmak and I must tell

757
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: you I I honor that skill because I don't have it.

758
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: My strength would come once the fights made. I'll come

759
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: tell the audience why. I'll come tell them what the

760
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: story is.

761
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: Somebody's here. Hey, Cole, we dropped the Trump thing. Get

762
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: onto Santis. It's the future.

763
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

764
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: Well, and hey, there's where you're looking to go. Why

765
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: are we here? Why are we fighting? You know what's

766
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: this about. I'll go back to surreal gun and ty

767
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: to we Vansta. What is on the line? You got

768
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: the number one guy versus the number four guy. You

769
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: gotta sold out crowd. The number one guy stops the

770
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: number four guy any place in history. That means he's

771
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: fighting for a world championship that wasn't even discussed. It

772
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: wasn't even dangled. Why why were they fighting?

773
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 5: What was this Paris for the French market, for the

774
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 5: French market, just to put on a good match. I

775
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: guess Yo's kind of blowing up in that market. And

776
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: this was the first show there they got a big, strong,

777
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 5: fucking athletic heavyweight. He turned into dynamic performance. I think

778
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 5: that's one of those because I've said this before, I

779
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 5: said it on MK. I remember when the UFC went

780
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: to Germany, it was a very small affair. This was

781
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 5: not this was a big one, right, there was a thing.

782
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: So what happened when London blew up last year? It

783
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: just became a thing.

784
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 5: For France is the third biggest market in all of Europe,

785
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 5: like just behind the UK.

786
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: Like it's so big, and they.

787
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: Have potential to do Gon versus in gondofore the bell

788
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: in fricking Paris right in the not too soon, you know,

789
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: distant future.

790
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: Obviously John Jones.

791
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: Could let's talk it let's try about you. I want

792
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: to get before we get Juneles. I do want to

793
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: get one answer from you on Gregor where who would

794
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: they or who should they match him next?

795
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: Yees, that's the entire George Mosital Okay, tire, There's gonna

796
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: be no significance in terms of ranking or title contention.

797
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: We're talking about bring Hi back for a title. Let's

798
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: stop with that silliness. Connor's on an island where whatever

799
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: he does is going to be a big deal. Whatever

800
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: George does next not gonna be the title fight some

801
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: of these things or time. But I just think that's

802
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: the match. And don't forget the whole reason Connor went

803
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: to one seventy in the first place, because Dana White

804
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: made an offhanded comment that got captured by TMZ where

805
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: he said, I never make that fight. George is too

806
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: big for him.

807
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: And George I'm too much man.

808
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: So Connor said, well, just a second is now fight

809
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: He goes and fights Cowboy one to seven and they

810
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: have a story there and that's that's the match.

811
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: So that's why it won't help.

812
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 5: So is that why in your mind they're not making

813
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 5: the Joorge versus Gilbert Burns fight, because Burns has been

814
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 5: advocating for that fight.

815
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: I think the reason they didn't do that is Mazvi.

816
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: It all thought he was going to be able to

817
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: slide in and get the match with Leon. Now, that

818
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: was being very unaware of your own career, but we

819
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: all do that at times, and so he stalled that

820
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: match trying to get Gilbert tied up. Trying to get

821
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: the match with Leon is what I believe, and three

822
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: piece Minsota needs to be answered for. It's just not

823
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: going to be answered for in the form of a

824
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: title match, not right now.

825
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't see that.

826
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 5: There was a lot of uh, you know, interest in

827
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 5: that necessarily that particular iteration.

828
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 4: All right.

829
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: I would have told Leon by the way to go

830
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: like this when Hore came out him and say, I

831
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: don't want to fight you. I don't want to fight you,

832
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: you know South paust stance. That was an old Vonder

833
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: lay Silva reference when we were talking about that the

834
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: other day. Thanks for selling, Thanks for putting the little sites.

835
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 5: But what BC does is he just rolls grenades into

836
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 5: conversation and then wants you to jump on it.

837
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: But I got it. I speak his language, all right.

838
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: Let's let's talk about John Jones here for a second.

839
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.

840
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: Am I excited about him potentially fighting? I guess I

841
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: don't know when the hell's gonna happen. It'spite all the talks.

842
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: And here's the other part that one I'm more curious about.

843
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: It's not that I don't think he can't go up

844
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 5: there and win. He might go up there and do

845
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 5: exactly the same thing and do the light heavyweight, But

846
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 5: the part that gives me a little bit of pause.

847
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 5: And I'm I'm not trying to be unfair to him.

848
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be just acurate about the circumstances. There

849
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 5: was a decline at the end of his line heavyweight run.

850
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 5: I thought Dominic Ray has beat him out right. You know,

851
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: the Santo's fight was close. The Smith fight was kind

852
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 5: of weird. You look at his numbers, His takedown success

853
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 5: rate plummeted at the end there. I think he attributes

854
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: that to maybe burnout. You can believe that or not.

855
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: I have no idea if that's true. So my only

856
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: point is, like, could he do well at heavyweight. He

857
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 5: might go and win the belt right away. I just

858
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 5: don't believe it's I should automatically assume that he's going

859
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 5: to I need to see what he actually looks like.

860
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: Where are you on that spectrum?

861
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, If John Jones hears you

862
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: say that, he's gonna love it. He wants something like

863
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: he wants to be questioned.

864
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 5: He wants really he wants to be adored.

865
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: Well on some hands, but I really think he left

866
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: two five because it had been exhausted. I think he's

867
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: looking around and go, yeah, I'm having close fights with

868
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: rays or close wives of Santos. But he was better

869
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: than that. It was he wasn't getting the training, he

870
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: wasn't getting pulled out of him. The audience was expecting

871
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: too much of him. I think he wants to be

872
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: in a position where he really is questioned. I think

873
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: he's got a matchup problem. Look, we took the two

874
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: last two years to move John into heavyweight, to wait

875
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: that he's comfortable, but also to tell the story to

876
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: the audience. Can John Jones overcome a deficit? That deficit

877
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: is simply going to be a size disadvantage. But now

878
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: they're done about putting with step Ay. John's going to

879
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: weigh in heavier than steep A and that whole two

880
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: year experiments is going to go up and smoke when

881
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: they get to the scales. I think the right opponent

882
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: is is really important, and I'm not sure I buy

883
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: this Jones steep end mass or how about this match

884
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: prior to Anghano getting decided?

885
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: How about John Jones Titovaso.

886
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: I like that. I mean, I think you probably have

887
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: something there. Two of us is coming on lost and

888
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: they're not going to match that. Two of us is

889
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: a real street fighter. I got to see somebody that

890
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: can defend a takedown or I can't have a question

891
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: with John.

892
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: I think it's surreal.

893
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: Gone uh, you know, just the fact that he had

894
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: fifteen fights and was never taken down. I think there's

895
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: something special there. I'll tell you the hardest fight skill

896
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: wise for John Joe, easily the hardest fight is Curtis Blaze.

897
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, Yeah, Curtis Blaze's.

898
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: The most slept on fighter maybe on that roster.

899
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: What did he do he's upset the audience? What did

900
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: Curtis Blaze to me?

901
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: In an interview with me? He brought uh, I brought

902
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: up the fighter pay to him.

903
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: It was ahead of the Volkov fight, and he went

904
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: off about fighter pay and then Dana in every interview

905
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: the rest of that fighter that week was just like, well,

906
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: fuck this guy.

907
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 4: More than that.

908
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: More than that people. Someone accused him of being boring,

909
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 5: and he's like, yo, let me explain something to you.

910
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be as boring as fuck. Boomy, eat a dick,

911
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: don't give a fuck like he was. He was, you know,

912
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 5: not merely adamant about the idea that he wasn't going

913
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: to cater to anyone else's interest, like he had disdain

914
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 5: for the idea that you should even he should even

915
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: be questioning about it, And which is weird because you

916
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 5: actually look at his style. He started out as like

917
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: a really wrestling based guy, still obviously is, but now

918
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 5: there's a little more striking involved. And you put out

919
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 5: Chris Dalkas's lights without a takedown for.

920
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: He made a point of doing that for sure.

921
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: Still never people aren't over I mean I heard those

922
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: two interviews, you guys, you read that the honest is

923
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: not over there. I mean, I've really never seen a

924
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: guy as willing as him. He goes and fights in

925
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: Gonald before we knew it was in Gonal. He then

926
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: wants to do it. He gets slept in thirty seconds,

927
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: he flies to a completely other confident continent to do

928
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: it again. He gets put out and under a minute again,

929
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: and he's begging to fight him a third time.

930
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: Like those are the kind of guys we usually like, Yeah,

931
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: you're right, because he had two moments the Derek Lewis knockout.

932
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: He's not a media dark Gona one where.

933
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: It looked like he was ready to make a run.

934
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: And both times it just gots like the.

935
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 5: More I've been in media, the more this is just

936
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 5: absolutely true. And chill you know this because you were

937
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 5: one of them. The media picks its darlings right, like

938
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: you know the Leach even though he don't speak much

939
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: English as a media darling. Now in certain ways you

940
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 5: were one. There's some other ones, and they give outsized

941
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 5: coverage to certain ones at the expense. There's only twenty

942
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 5: four hours in to day. It's only so many columns

943
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 5: you can write. I think he's on the other end

944
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 5: where he's just not even selected for that irrespective of

945
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 5: his abilities, and so he's in that space. But still

946
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: get him back to John, gun to your head, Gun

947
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 5: to your head, really really thinking about it not can

948
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: he does he win a UFC title at heavyweight?

949
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: Yes, Doug on it, he does, think probably too. He

950
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: probably wins the intrum and then and then the undisputed.

951
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: And I'm largely going off a rumor in the practice room,

952
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, but the campfire is real important. Henry so

953
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: Hudo sees him, he's in the practice room. He saw

954
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: him with you're not supposed to talk about. But he

955
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: saw him with pro Hoska. He saw him with these

956
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: top guys, and Henry says, he says he's better now

957
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: what he is?

958
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: That Jesus, that's frightening.

959
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: Yes, but that's not how a human being works. You

960
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: don't get better with time. You don't get better at

961
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: something by not doing it. You'll get better once you.

962
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: You get bigger, and you get He broke all the rules.

963
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: He always has.

964
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: He's got small calves.

965
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not ready. I'm not ready to dismiss him.

966
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm cheering against him. I'll be fine about that. I'm

967
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: not ready. You were worried, like.

968
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 5: You're accidentally cross paths and he'll run up on you.

969
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh I think yes, Yes, he came up to me

970
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: one time, Yeah, which I think was I think that's

971
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: where this was going to happen. And he saw that

972
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: my mother was there and he flipped instantly. He gave

973
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: her a hug, he introduced himself. Yeah, I got give

974
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: him credit for that. He was he treated my mother

975
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: very nicely.

976
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: Yes, he.

977
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: Has a similar story by the way, about that was

978
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 3: the reason why him and that were shot and John

979
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: ended up killing their beef because their mom's got involved.

980
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I could see that, and he had the

981
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: look in his eye was the I knew exactly what

982
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: was gonna happen. I was. I was preparing to defend

983
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: myself and he saw her.

984
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: Where was this.

985
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: We were in a hotel lobby. Uh. Yeah, We're in

986
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: New Jersey and he'saying he said, he I just want

987
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: to come home and introduce myself your Chail's mom, right.

988
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he turned it on instantly, and but I

989
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: got to give him credit. You know, a guy treat

990
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: you right in front of your mom.

991
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: I respect that.

992
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: How Come nobody ever references the fact that you were

993
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 3: the former w e C middleweight champion.

994
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, can we put a little bit of respect

995
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: on that title.

996
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying that, because that's my only one.

997
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: That's my only I mean, you never even played up.

998
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: If I were you, I'd be walking around. Do you

999
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: still on the title?

1000
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: But I got it. Paula Felis sent me the bell,

1001
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: yes you really, Yes he did, made him, but I

1002
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: have it. He sent me the bell. Paula made me

1003
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: a video about two years ago, just sent me a bit.

1004
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: You know, he can do that with the iPhone now.

1005
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: It was very sweet to catch up with him. I've

1006
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: never spoke to him, I've never seen him since.

1007
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 4: Filled me on what he was doing and how he

1008
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 4: had some problems here.

1009
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think, I think so. I know he

1010
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: had some substance problem and he ultimately ended up shot

1011
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 2: someone shown it was like in the leg physically. Yeah,

1012
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: and he but he refused to say, he refused to

1013
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: tell anyone. I mean, it's just kind of this weird thing.

1014
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: You thought he was gonna lose his dude.

1015
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: Folks don't know how good he was. He was a

1016
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: fucking terminator. He was the he was.

1017
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 5: He was Paul Horrace, not quite as jacked, but he

1018
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: was the Paul Horace. But he was actually like a

1019
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 5: much he was actually much smarter comparison in terms of.

1020
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Then I met, but he was right one. I mean

1021
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: Anderson was two and Henderson was nine. I just kind

1022
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: of remember the rankings back then because I was falling

1023
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: with uh so, yeah, people really respected him and it.

1024
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: Uh and and Jail peace got that belt.

1025
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: Thank you for mentioning that.

1026
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: Does the peace stand for pancras?

1027
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: The peace stands for icon?

1028
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 4: Uh? Jail? I don't want to love your spot, but

1029
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 4: I have to ask. I have to ask, though.

1030
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: I was like, because we're running out of time here,

1031
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: can you talk about what happened in March of this

1032
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 5: year in the in the hotel?

1033
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: The first thing is why are you at the Luxer?

1034
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: That's job one.

1035
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: Your first mistake was going to that bed bug infestation?

1036
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Uh no, I can't talk about it.

1037
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: It's still active, right, it's still active, Okay, expecting a

1038
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 5: resolution in twenty twenty three, Oh my.

1039
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: I mean statistically it takes a couple of years. As

1040
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, cowboys are running through something and

1041
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: has told me, hey, just so you know what to expect.

1042
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was on a ball.

1043
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 5: Before we wrap up here, how are you in your

1044
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 5: personal life with things? Okay, good to go, just saying

1045
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: thank you for asking.

1046
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: Kids are doing great. A wife's doing great.

1047
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: We're bored.

1048
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: We're a little bit bored. Briggan was very shut down,

1049
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: and we're the most shut down state of the nation.

1050
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: But we're so small. The media didn't cover us, and

1051
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: we're still not one hundred percent open. There's still place

1052
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: where you have restrictions on number and whatnot. So the

1053
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: pandemic was tough in Oregon and we're still coming out

1054
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: of it. We're bored, we're a little slow.

1055
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: You're gonna move No, no, no, no. I would never move

1056
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: Wes No, never.

1057
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: I would die in Westland.

1058
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 5: What's the best part about west Land? I've never been,

1059
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 5: actually know what. I've been to many places across the world.

1060
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 5: I've never been to Oregon. I've never been to the

1061
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 5: Great Northwest.

1062
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: I never will.

1063
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'd like to go.

1064
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Actually, I could be a number of compliments to our city.

1065
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: I mean, the school does very well and the crime

1066
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: rates low and that type of stuff. But those are

1067
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: just my people. That was my people. That was my town.

1068
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: Some guys never, you know, they never fully grow out

1069
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: of their high school. That's a weird thing when they don't. Uh,

1070
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: And I'm in that weird category. I love two point

1071
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: eight whiles from the high school. I still go went

1072
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: every day and coach the wrestling team. So some guys,

1073
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, they get they get trapped and maybe that

1074
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: was me, but that's my town.

1075
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: Are you still involved with Eagle FC. Yeah?

1076
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the commentary for U Let's see. Yeah, we

1077
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: had an event canceled. As a matter of fact, we

1078
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: had two and my understanding was that they went to

1079
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: Russia and held those events. Uh. But then I've heard

1080
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: other rumors and and uh, but yeah, I'm still involved.

1081
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: How was it awesome?

1082
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: Organization is a total maniac.

1083
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 2: Oh man, he I thought that was just a name thing.

1084
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: He is calling shots over there. He was talking, yeah,

1085
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: right in front of me. Calls Mike Tyson. You know,

1086
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm a big fight, So calls Mike Tyson on FaceTime.

1087
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: Then he's got to start talk to Scott Cocher. Is

1088
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: talking Cocher about getting fat or a millionaco and then

1089
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: somebody came to him and want to know about the menu,

1090
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: and he had to call the menu that everybody was

1091
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: gonna you know, he was busy, man. I respected it.

1092
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: Kuldie works hard, Kabeep got it, took a red eye. Uh.

1093
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: It was in the hotel super late, checking in barely awaken.

1094
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: He was up at five am cutting cutting weight with

1095
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: his teams. We did the Eagle FC in the next night.

1096
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: I caught him in Phoenix at a Belletre event corner

1097
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: A different guy. Jesus, he is an animal. I gotta

1098
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: get by the way, Kubeb's actually secretly very funny. Do

1099
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: you guys know that?

1100
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1101
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 4: I know that. Yeah, I never knew to his digs

1102
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: at Cornier or.

1103
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: Yes, he's a very funny guy.

1104
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: To play the hits a little bit to close it, Okay,

1105
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm always going to give your respect for entering that

1106
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: bellat or heavyweight tournament when you know you're you're past

1107
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: the prime. But we're looking at the bracket going you

1108
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: might be able to make a run the matchmaking.

1109
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: You made it work and then you fought Fador. Y

1110
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: know were you? I mean, you're at that point in

1111
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: your career, you're not scared of anything. But you knew

1112
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: he still had quick hands.

1113
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: Yes, was that a fight you walked in there going

1114
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: I'm really not sure what it's gonna look like.

1115
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the rampage was too you heavyways, it was

1116
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 2: a different experience. I have never had fun in the sport.

1117
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I like times like this, but I've

1118
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: never had fun uh in that octagon. I had fun

1119
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: with the Fador fight. If I could go back and

1120
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: do it. He hit me in ways, but it was

1121
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: special being in there with him. He's respected. You know,

1122
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: there's an aura around him. You just feel it. I

1123
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: feel that when Hoyst Gracie walks in the room, just

1124
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: a couple of guys, and he got in my way.

1125
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a fan of the sport. That's a

1126
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: problem at times when you look up to guys or

1127
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: your feet and I was way down at middleweight. I'm

1128
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: never gonna have to deal with this guy and also

1129
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: set him up two weight classes and here he is.

1130
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: That's a real thing to get over. He hit me

1131
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: with a missile five seconds in and as I as

1132
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: I fell to the ground. The only reason I got

1133
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: up as I knew it would have been a record

1134
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: and I don't want that record. And I mind I

1135
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: was doing that, it would he recalled doing this to

1136
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: get up and he backed away. He bought me a

1137
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: couple of seconds, but and a very nice human being.

1138
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't like to compliment guys after I fight him.

1139
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: I think it sounds weird, but just a really special

1140
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: human being.

1141
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you're to ask him about Russian literature

1142
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: and get all the other interviews.

1143
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: Eat shit, Okay, Chail.

1144
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: So look, we're journalists, but we're obviously really just fans

1145
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: in disguise. I'll tell you the three fights that the

1146
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: fan in me got the most excited for it in

1147
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: the minutes leading up to it. Right, It was like

1148
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: Lesnar Carwin, you get it, right, hbib Connor, you get

1149
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: it Chaill Anderson too, Dude.

1150
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: I was high higher then. I mean, I had a

1151
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: heart on from here to hand over.

1152
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 4: He tells all his guests about his erections.

1153
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I fired.

1154
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: Up for where that fight could go.

1155
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: You had some spinny shit that didn't go right, and

1156
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: then the fight was over. What would the rest of

1157
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: that fight look like if you hadn't made that?

1158
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: You have to rap on that, though, massive regret of

1159
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: my life. I went down on that. I fell down,

1160
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: and I'm down, and Anderson took a step backwards. He

1161
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: was trying to let me up to my feet. Then

1162
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: he changed his mind. He changed his mind to come in.

1163
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: But I saw that step. I mean That step replays

1164
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: in my mind in slow motion and I had I

1165
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: had an opportunity to stand up, and I didn't take it.

1166
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: But it was a choice. I don't mean I missed

1167
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: a beat. I chose to stay dead. There was something

1168
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: about this moment that'll happen a lot in a fight

1169
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: where you're you're ready to check out. You got to

1170
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: fight yourself, you come back from it. But that was

1171
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: my moment. I learned something about myself in that moment.

1172
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: Quently threw a knee.

1173
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: And kind of swarmed me in there, but I wasn't

1174
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: going anywhere.

1175
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 4: All right. Well, listen, we're getting the wrap, Segnal. We

1176
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: gotta got chail.

1177
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 5: You will be out there hosting the presser for Jake

1178
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: Paul Anderson Silva. It is always good catching up with you.

1179
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 5: You are everywhere for folks. Give us a plug. Where

1180
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: can they find your stuff?

1181
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: What do you want to?

1182
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: Just go to YouTube and I'll be happy there.

1183
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 5: It is there the Gangster from Westland, Oregon. It's Chill

1184
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 5: Son and R Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas and whipped his