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Speaker 1: This program features the individual opinions of the hosts, guests,

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Speaker 1: and callers, and not necessarily those of the producer, the station,

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Speaker 1: it's affiliates, or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. Happy New Year, everybody, our very

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Speaker 2: first show of twenty twenty six, and yes, you have

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Speaker 2: it right, we have a stacked night of headlines. The

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Speaker 2: Epstein files were in fact released or were they complicated

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Speaker 2: stuff We're going to unpack kind of where we are

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Speaker 2: with that. Plus a very tragic development in the murder

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Speaker 2: of nine year old Melody Buzzard. It's a case we've

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Speaker 2: been following very closely and many updates are staggering, and

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Speaker 2: there's still a killer at large in Ohio. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you've been following it, but the dentist and

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Speaker 2: his beloved wife are found murdered in their home and

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Speaker 2: the police need our help. Plus we're going to tell

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Speaker 2: you what the biggest trials are that we're going to

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Speaker 2: be tracking with you all of twenty twenty six, and.

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Speaker 3: Get ready because there are a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: And look as we as we start this new year together,

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Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you for listening.

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Speaker 3: We're so excited to be with you tonight.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes these holidays or a break can come with

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Speaker 2: it all kinds of I don't know, all kinds of emotions.

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Speaker 2: You know, for some of us it's joyful and exciting.

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Speaker 2: For others of us, it's filled with sadness sometimes and

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Speaker 2: sometimes a little loneliness. And you know, also for some

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Speaker 2: of us it's a little bit of both. And no

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Speaker 2: matter where you find yourself in that, whether you are

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Speaker 2: dancing on a table and reveling in some greatness for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six or if.

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Speaker 3: You're if you're just getting by.

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Speaker 2: Either way, welcome, We are so happy to be with you.

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Speaker 2: And come on, ladies, let's have an amazing kick ass

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Speaker 2: twenty and twenty six. I'm in Eli Decker and of

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Speaker 2: course I'm here with my girls, Courtney Armstrong and Body

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Speaker 2: move in and look, we got the boys in the house.

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Speaker 2: We have Adam and Sam Taha's taking the night off.

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Speaker 2: He's traveling home as we speak. But we have our

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Speaker 2: favorite Ava Kaplan, the great producer with us tonight, sitting

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Speaker 2: in and ladies, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I missed you, We missed you know.

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Speaker 4: I didn't miss I didn't miss like every night having

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Speaker 4: to work and like all the research we have to

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot of work.

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Speaker 4: I don't think people really understand how much work goes

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Speaker 4: into a show like this, right, But I didn't miss

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Speaker 4: you guys.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: And you know what's so funny is I'm sitting there Christmas,

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Speaker 4: I'm at Indies, and I'm like, I want to I

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Speaker 4: want to text the team, but I was like, I

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Speaker 4: don't want to bother them, you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 4: I was like, I miss them.

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Speaker 3: This miss you guys.

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Speaker 2: I had my phone in my hand a million times

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Speaker 2: to tell you guys, and we all just sort of

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Speaker 2: needed the recalibration and just sort of the walk away

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Speaker 2: from all things murder or justice.

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Speaker 3: I should say, God, it was a.

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Speaker 2: Great break and man, I'm so happy to see your

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Speaker 3: How was you tell us?

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Speaker 5: A little sum It was the true unplug So it

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Speaker 5: was perfect weather for it to Los Angeles. We have

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Speaker 5: been absolutely just day loged, hammered with rain, which made

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Speaker 3: And I did a lot of paint by numbers. Oh

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Speaker 3: I love that. What did you paint by numbers? Oh?

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Speaker 3: My gosh, beautiful landscapes. I want to see them. Yes,

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Speaker 3: But no, it's on the list. It's like a long list.

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Speaker 3: I watched it dedicade a week. Yeah, I thought it

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Speaker 7: The last couple of seasons were just like a whole spectacle.

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Speaker 3: I did. That's all. Did you travel at all? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to Oakland. I went to Indie's for Christmas.

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Speaker 4: It was horrible, but I got it on video. It's hilarious.

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Speaker 8: I had a lovely time my two best friends from college,

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Speaker 2: It was our little Felicity, Like she really Felicity. That's

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Speaker 2: I love her? Actress diplomat Okay, oh, Carrie Russell. I

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I had a nice, uh Christmas time. I went

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Speaker 9: Sam, about you, Yeah, I was just out in Temecula

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Speaker 3: And then Stephanie, what have you been up to?

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to tell you that I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: So I feel I feel energized the same. I'm ready

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Speaker 3: But boy, you know, the Epstein fowls are interesting, is

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Speaker 5: We absolutely will. This is true Crime Tonight. We are

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Speaker 5: on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky to be back

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Speaker 5: with Body Movement and Stephanie Leidecker and everyone else. So far,

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Speaker 5: we've just kind of been easing into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: If you have any thoughts, we'd love to hear them.

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Speaker 5: taking a really hard right turn. Body, I know you

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Speaker 5: wanted to update us on a tragic development in a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is not the update you know, I

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Speaker 4: wanted to make the first segment of the first year.

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Speaker 4: You know, this little precious baby girl. So you know

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Speaker 4: we've been following the Melody Buzzard case and she is

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Speaker 4: the little girl who went mis seeing in October. Her

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Speaker 4: Wearing a wig, and it appeared as Melody was also

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Speaker 5: We are also going to be getting into the biggest

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Speaker 2: here with Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven and we are back. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: the band is together, and yeah, Epstein Files up for discussion.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: The Justice Department has released an initial, very heavily redacted

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Speaker 2: Kind of, I mean, it was pages and pages of

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Speaker 2: Out of the timeline. And by the way, let's just

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Speaker 2: Told this by every level of government, that it is

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Speaker 2: Those hot tap pictures were crazy, And it's so true,

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Speaker 3: Human trafficking generates.

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Speaker 2: Billions and billions of dollars of illegal profit in this world.

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Speaker 2: getting this under the rub, and it's not because we're

438
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: just looking to to out somebody in politics. It's not

439
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: even about one person. This is affecting world policy at

440
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: this point, and I'm.

441
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: A little scared.

442
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: And again, I think it's gonna continue to get pushed aside.

443
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: We know for a fact that crimes were committed against

444
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: young women, period. We know that, and we know that

445
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 2: the system did not back them up in any way,

446
00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: shape or form.

447
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: Why is it possible, how is it possible that still

448
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: is happening in this exact moment.

449
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: So again, for any victim who is listening right now,

450
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: or anybody who knows somebody who's been victimized, as any way,

451
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: this is a watershed moment. And I don't know what

452
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: the end goal is. I don't know who the what

453
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: the gotcha moment is. I think it's bigger than we think,

454
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: and I think it's bigger than us.

455
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 4: I think too the victims should know that many people

456
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: aren't going to forget about this, and we're not going

457
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 4: to get distruct.

458
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: We are not right, We're not And by the way,

459
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: they're too afraid, you know. And we're seeing the inconsistencies

460
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: that are nauseating, that are like, oh, I was never

461
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: on the plane. Oh wait, there's a call up. Oh yep,

462
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 2: turns out you were. There're eight times okay, fine, Like

463
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: it's just like the smallest little because they've gotten away

464
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: with lying for so many deaths.

465
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: And it's still happening now, right, they think we're stupid.

466
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: We're going to get it constantly, and maybe we are

467
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: because look around there's nobody talking about it and there

468
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: is no release. And now we're like, well, why haven't

469
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: the victims they know so well with the list is,

470
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 2: why aren't they saying it? Yeah, their lives are in danger,

471
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: their families and their lives have been threatened to nauseum.

472
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: So it's not that easy. And I feel for them,

473
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: and I think that might happen. Maybe they will, Maybe

474
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: somebody will. I don't know who it is, but it

475
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: doesn't appear that anybody within ears distance is able to

476
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: raise their hand and just say, hey, here's what's doing.

477
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: But again, it's bigger than the list. I want the

478
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: bank transactions. Who are all those transactions too?

479
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: Please? How does all those transactions happen?

480
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: And so many banks with so much oversight, we're getting

481
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: dinged for thirty three cents every time we you know,

482
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: our check is not routed correctly, or who hasn't had

483
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: a bounced check in your day?

484
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: They find you with a fee.

485
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 2: Yet billions of dollars are being spent even though the

486
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: oversight committees of many of these banks were flagging it

487
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: time and time again.

488
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: Why quit? I'm stung. I want you to have the answer.

489
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: I wish I did.

490
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 5: But listen, these redactions are killing me and everyone else

491
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 5: and who's craving information because it's clearly not just a

492
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 5: victim identifiers, which of course should be redacted, but these

493
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 5: are entire investigative narratives that are not being released, including

494
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 5: more than one hundred pages from a grand jury file

495
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 5: that was it was entirely blocked out, one hundred pages.

496
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: So think about it. Yes, crazy, it's crazy.

497
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: And by the way, the whole Gilaine Maxwell, oh course,

498
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: Gilay and Gilay. Okay, so we know full well now

499
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: that Gilaine Maxwell was having a meeting with a very

500
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: important internal person within the White House to you know,

501
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: just rest assured that we know the whole story, right

502
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: based on what there's apparently two and a half million

503
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: documents that were not even processed. How was that humanly

504
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: possible in the today? Wait do you repeat that, I'm sorry?

505
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: Meaning whether it was let's go back in time. We

506
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: had Pam Bondy, I have the files, we saw her

507
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: with the files, and then she was like, no files, Cashpitel, okay,

508
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: the files. We got to get those files. Oh, no

509
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: files to be seen here, I've seen the files. There's

510
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: nothing to see. Then we sent Trump's personal lawyer, who

511
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: now is not his personal lawyer works in the government,

512
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: to go interview Gilay Maxwell right before she got transferred

513
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: in the dead of night. You'll remember when she was

514
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: serving her actual real time in a federal prison for

515
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: twenty years.

516
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: We had a meeting with Glane.

517
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: Oh and then suddenly Glaane moved you know, locations to

518
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: a spa in the middle of the night. What were

519
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: they meeting about if there were all of these documents,

520
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: millions of documents that suddenly just turned up. They were like, oh,

521
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 2: we haven't seen those yet. That's impossible. Please tell me

522
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: that not impossible.

523
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 4: So you're saying they had this meeting without knowledge of

524
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: these million Documently we had.

525
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: All these documents are just popped up in the last

526
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: week Alon right, right, right, right.

527
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: That's why it's taking.

528
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: So long to get all the info to the American public,

529
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: because they have people working around the coup. They just

530
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: found another two and a half million documents how they

531
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: possibly get through those overnight, let alone give us excuses

532
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: as to why the redactions are specifically the redaction.

533
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: Do you not trust the redactions?

534
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: I certainly, of course I don't trust the redactions, and

535
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: they're supposed to be footnoted as to why the redaction exists.

536
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: That was all due on Friday of this past week, sprise.

537
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: Thomas Massey is not happy. Thomas Massey shouldn't be happy.

538
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 5: There's one I would say, there's one silver lining if

539
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: we want to look real hard for it. Yes, as

540
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 5: that of all of these multiple millions of documents, they

541
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 5: also were only recently flagged by reviewers for inclusion in

542
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: the public release.

543
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: So I think that's important. So I don't know in

544
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: the review what does that mean.

545
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 5: It means that when everyone, as you said, was making

546
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: a parade about I have the files, they weren't even

547
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 5: considering the release of these new multiple millions. So now

548
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: they have been designated or flagged by reviewers for inclusion

549
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 5: public release.

550
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: Who's doing the reviewing? Like, what is this spoiler room?

551
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: Look like?

552
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: That's run by some of the people that are being

553
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: avoided in the files.

554
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's more than four hundred attorneys from the DJ

555
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 5: from the FBI. There are several US attorneys offices that

556
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: are reviewing all of you.

557
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 8: To be a fly on the wall in this magic room,

558
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 8: like I think, would you guys cut off like one

559
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 8: of your figures, I.

560
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: Would take my I would I'll step on my eyeglasses

561
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: right now, I'll never see again. Like, honestly, yes, And

562
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm the most trusting in period.

563
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: I trust, I trust, I really do. I trust how

564
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: things work. I do believe in the system. Do you

565
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: genuinely do? And I'm so grateful that this is a

566
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: great place.

567
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 6: It is.

568
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm really off the it's really uncomfortable for me to

569
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: even say too loud.

570
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: Me too, You're not alone. I trust the law.

571
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: I trust that you know, judges and lawyers and the

572
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: police and the FBI and the DOJ and all these

573
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: people are going to do the right thing. Yes, right,

574
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: And so talking about you know this and the corruption

575
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: and the things that the conspiracy basically is hard for me.

576
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, really it's hard.

577
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: Same And I believed that we would get these files released.

578
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: Then they came out and I was like, come on,

579
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: this is like a smack in the face. It's like

580
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: a joke, it's not even a even trying. And then

581
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: to keep it coming and keep it a slow roll

582
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: and a slow roll. Now there's no explanation of what

583
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: the redactions are. We know that it's things that the

584
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: victims were saying happened back in the nineties that everyone

585
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: was like, that didn't happen, That didn't happen. No, No,

586
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: it's in the files that happened. They've been now vindicated.

587
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: So that's just a tip of the iceberg. The point

588
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: being is human trafficking. Sex trafficking is a massive industry

589
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: and it's not an industry that any of us want

590
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: to be a part of, nor do we want to

591
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: support anybody who's looking the other way for that to occur.

592
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: And that's I guess the larger question.

593
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: It's not saying that everybody was committing like pedophilia and

594
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: sex acts on young girls that are involved in any

595
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: of the Epstein files, of course not.

596
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: But if you know it's happening and.

597
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: You look the other way, how is that okay? And

598
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: how do we not at least talk about it so

599
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen again?

600
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: Right, We're gonna stay on top of it, for sure.

601
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: I mean right, we're not going to be giving.

602
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: So this horrible murder that's happened in Ohio, double homicide,

603
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: it's what it's being called by authorities. A beloved dentist

604
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: and his beloved wife Monique.

605
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: There is a killer at large.

606
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: You know, they really don't have too much information to

607
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: go on right now.

608
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: Two children alone in the home. Where should we begin

609
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: on this, guys?

610
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I think just start with what is known,

611
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 5: which is not much in this early stage. But Spencer

612
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 5: and Monique Tempe, they're a married couple and Spencer, as

613
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 5: you mentioned Stephanie was a entist and his wife, Monique

614
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: was a stay at home mother. So this Columbus, Ohio

615
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: couple were found fatally shot inside their home. They were

616
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 5: found on December thirtieth. Their two very young children's children,

617
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 5: who are aged one and four, were also discovered inside

618
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 5: the home, thankfully unharmed. So police right now are investigating

619
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: the death as a double homicide. There's no suspect or

620
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 5: motive that has been publicly identified. And I mean this

621
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: couple just looks and by all accounts were just happy

622
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 5: and in love and young. Yes, Spencer Tempe was thirty

623
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 5: seven and his wife Monique thirty nine. She had a

624
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: background in childhood education, like just seemed to have a beautiful,

625
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 5: lovely little life. So the victim, Spencer and Monique were

626
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 5: found during a wellness check that was requested by one

627
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 5: of Spencer's colleagues, doctor Mark Valrose, and this was after

628
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: he didn't show up for work. So this nine one

629
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 5: one call came in at around eight fifty eight on

630
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 5: the thirtieth of December, and this colleague asked the police

631
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 5: to conduct a wellness check, telling the dispatcher you know,

632
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: he referencing Spencer, he was always on time, he would

633
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: contact us if there were any issues. Were very concerned,

634
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: and then also adding that they couldn't get in touch

635
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 5: with his wife, which is probably the more concerning thing,

636
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: is what the caller said. So nine twenty two that morning,

637
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 5: an officer arrived at the home to perform a welfare check,

638
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: but no one answered the door and.

639
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: The officer officers left because of that.

640
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 5: Well, people were really very concerned about this couple, because

641
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: thirty minutes later, Spencer, the victim, one of the victims,

642
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: his colleague and a friend arrived at the home also

643
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 5: get a response. There was a man at the scene

644
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: who called nine one one, This was at nine fifty

645
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 5: six am, saying he heard children crying inside. I can

646
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 5: hear the kids inside. Yeah, And they said, you know,

647
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 5: they couldn't get in and they were wondering if they

648
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 5: should be breaking into the house. Two minutes later, yet

649
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: another colleague of Vincer's, a victim Spencer Tempe, called nine

650
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 5: one one to say they were unable to reach him

651
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: for hours, and then finally at ten oh three that morning,

652
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 5: a friend of the Tepees were audibly discressed when they

653
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 5: called nine one one and said, there is a body.

654
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: Our friend wasn't answering his phone. We just came here

655
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: and he appears dead. Can you imagine?

656
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: And again, these little kids being in the home, there

657
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: was just they were very very near, just based on

658
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: the floor plan where this occurred. And you just have

659
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: to imagine, like even if you're one years old or

660
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: four years old, they're being left alone, just being in the.

661
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: Air of that.

662
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: What sort of a nut of a human could do that,

663
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: knowing that there was a baby crying so close by.

664
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: Well, I'm a little and maybe i'm being a little

665
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 4: you know, jumping the gun here a little bit, but

666
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: I'm a little upset with the police.

667
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: That the welfare check, Yeah, welfare.

668
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: Check, and they kept having to call nine one like

669
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: like and you like you said, Courtney, it sounds like

670
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 4: maybe they took matters into their own hands and called

671
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: it ten oh three and said there's a body. Our

672
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: friend wasn't answering the phone. They just came here and

673
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 4: he appears dead. How do they know that if they

674
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 4: didn't like break in right like they I don't know.

675
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: I'm just a little aggravated at the Columbus.

676
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 5: You know, that was my knee jerk, and then that

677
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: was absolutely my najor reaction as well. And then it's well,

678
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 5: is this Monday morning quarterback, because we know the very

679
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 5: sad end to this versus a welfare check. And maybe

680
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 5: this couple and their two young children went skiing for

681
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 5: the day, so I.

682
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: Don't know, Yeah, that's good.

683
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: And thankfully they had such good friends. I mean, honestly,

684
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: they obviously had some very beloved friends and co knew

685
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: them very low character exactly. And if you've seen their home,

686
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: first of all the moniques, she's like a smile for miles,

687
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: like they such a beloved couple. You know, nothing but

688
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: beautiful things have been said about them, you know, a

689
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: very prominent dentist in the area. It's on the verge

690
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: of their fifth year wedding anniversary.

691
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: But it looks like the home that they lived in

692
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: in Ohio. In this you know, lovely Wineland Park area.

693
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: It's they're very pretty homes, but they're not so so

694
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: far apart from one another. It's not like tons and

695
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: tons of land between each place. And I just I'm

696
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: surprised there's not enough, Like there's not any like ring

697
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: cameras or ct can't you know, it seems like it's

698
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: impossible to get away with anything these days. How is

699
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: there not surveillance footage from some of the neighbors or

700
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: not even just the neighbors or somebody just walking by.

701
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: To that point, there's no there's no sign of four century, right,

702
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 4: there's no sign of four century. This was a there

703
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: was no weapon found on scene, because my first reaction was, oh,

704
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: my goodness, was this murder suicide? But there was no

705
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 4: weapon found on the scene, so nothing might have shown

706
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: up on security cameras because there wasn't an event, right,

707
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: There wasn't like a commotion to pick up movement in

708
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: the dead of night maybe or something, you know what

709
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 4: I mean, like something.

710
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: We don't know that there's no survey, we don't know, right, surveillance.

711
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: Get like triggered if there's like a ruckus or.

712
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: No, there's more movement, it gets like, for instance, mine

713
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: gets triggered on movement. It's not always you know, but

714
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, mine gets triggered.

715
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 8: Right. That I didn't see in my research is that

716
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 8: there is a police cut crime camera that just happened

717
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 8: to be situated on an icand that intersection, like right

718
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 8: by their house. So obviously journalists are trying to figure

719
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 8: out whether or not any neighborhood cameras captured any clues,

720
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 8: and they did identify that one, but there's no word

721
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 8: yet from the police on whether or not this camera captured.

722
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's an open investigation.

723
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: They're not going to really test too much and that

724
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: sort of you know, we get information that they're they're

725
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: looking for a specific kind of car or something like that.

726
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: But I do think, you know, obviously, I mean, I

727
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: think it's pretty obvious.

728
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: This seems like somebody they knew, right with.

729
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 5: No forest entry and also victim Spencer Tepe appeared to

730
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 5: have multiple gunshot wounds and his wife, Monique, sustained at

731
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 5: least one gunshot wound to the chest. And by the way,

732
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 5: investigators are actively searching for a suspect. They're seeking information

733
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 5: from the public via the Columbus Police Homicide Unit and

734
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: the Central Ohio Crime Stoppers.

735
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: Just putting that in for they need the help.

736
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody listening has any piece of information. And by

737
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: the way, if that's the case, if this is not

738
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: just a burglar or a stranger, and it's somebody that

739
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: they know creeping in, then they would know that there

740
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: were two kids there, and that is even more demented

741
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: that they would do that knowing that two little souls

742
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: might be witnessed to this, even if they're not even

743
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: aware of what they're witnessing, it's like embedded in their

744
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: little like.

745
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 3: You said, breathing the same air, breathing the same air.

746
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 8: I don't know.

747
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: I think of that as a yeah, throw away the key.

748
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: That would be so upsetting, and it's upsetting no matter

749
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: how you slice this. But imagine their family at the holidays.

750
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: It's the day before New Year's Eve, so much to

751
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: be thankful for and celebrate.

752
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: It looks like they built a beautiful live for.

753
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: Themselves and then ugh, I'm really sorry.

754
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is you know, it just happened. It's evolving.

755
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 5: We will keep you updated as things do come out.

756
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: This is Truegrime tonight, we're on iHeartRadio and Body Move In.

757
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 5: I believe you were going to update us on the

758
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 5: Celeste revus HERNANDEZK case.

759
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I wish there was better news.

760
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 4: But it is being reported that the grand jury in

761
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 4: the Celeste Revus Hernande's case is expected to vote on indictments,

762
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 4: while private investigator announced his discovery of an unused chainsaw

763
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: now found at the house that he was renting. Yeah,

764
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: there was a chainsaw along with his burning.

765
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 3: And the farm. I just don't know that, how ya doesn't. Okay,

766
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: everybody talk once we're going to we're all losing. Everybody's

767
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: not ready to lose.

768
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: Everybody's hands are up and we're all leaning in like

769
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: we want to like what right, But like, let's just

770
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: review the incinerator that was not used, That was not used,

771
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: It was still boxed. It was still still box Mostly

772
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: incinerators are used for trash and large ticket items.

773
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: And they are not legal in the city. They're in

774
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Speaker 4: Los Angeles.

775
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: And they're known for bodies.

776
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: Okay, then there was these farm tools that would be

777
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: unusual to find in the city of Los Angeles or

778
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: was that the are I think the chainsaw and the

779
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: incinerator are those implements that Stephen Fisher, the private Now

780
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: just so you guys know that for you know, people

781
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: who aren't you know, familiar.

782
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: Stephen Fisher is the private investigator that was hired by

783
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: the land the guy who owns the property. He hired

784
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: Stephen because you know, a girl was found. You know,

785
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: this little girl fourteen years old was found at his

786
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 4: property and he probably wants to get to the bottom

787
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: of it, so he hired he hired Stephen Fisher, and

788
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: Stephen Fisher went to the home and you know, doing

789
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: his investigation, and of course he has access to the

790
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: home because the landlord hired him. And then he found

791
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: this incinerator, which is very to me, a big deal.

792
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: And this chainsaw. Now, people in Los Angeles don't have

793
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: chainsaws normally, you know what I mean. It's not like

794
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: David's out there doing tree trimming, do you know what

795
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: I mean? Like he's not out there, you know, cutting

796
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 4: bushes down and building bird houses or I don't know,

797
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 4: whatever you do it chainsaws, but they weren't used to

798
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 4: your in Eva, you were like, why didn't the police, Well,

799
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: they weren't used, right, But I would think that they

800
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: would be like, hmm, there's a you know, it's being

801
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: reported that, you know, poor Celeste was dismembered, right, We

802
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: don't know that for sure, but it's being reported that

803
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: she was dismembered. Like if I find a chainsaw in

804
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 4: the house of the owner of the car the girls dismembered,

805
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: and there's a chainsaw in the house, and it'd be like, hmm,

806
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: maybe I should you know, note this and like take it.

807
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: Not it's necessarily evidence, but as part of the investigation

808
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: into what happened.

809
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: At least note it at the bare minimum, and just

810
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: for some context, because even somebody listening might say, Hey,

811
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: I have a chainsaw in my garage. They might totally true,

812
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: but in this particular case, where this home is located

813
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: a it's palm trees, right. So, and also we're talking

814
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: about David the pop star who was you know, who's

815
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: a beloved pop star rapper who was on tour and

816
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: like living the big life Hollywood vibes, and the renter

817
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: the key signator on the lease was like his manager

818
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: or something, right, he's the guy that had to appear

819
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: before the grand's correct. And then the owner is like, okay,

820
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: well this is a drag. I can't rent the place

821
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: because a young girl was like maybe.

822
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: Murdered here, dismembered my power. Yeah exactly. I mean to

823
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: know to the bottom of it.

824
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: So I hire with my own money a private investigator

825
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 2: to like aid in this investigation because mum's the word

826
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: from LAPD.

827
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: And again we get it. LAPD has to keep mums

828
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: the word because they don't want to throw off an

829
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: investigation allegedly allegedly allegedly. Oh, we're back twenty twenty.

830
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: But you know, a lot of things have been solved

831
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: in this time period. It's shocking that we're still debating

832
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: this grand jury.

833
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: Right, and we don't know and we don't know what

834
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: the LAPD noted. We should add that, you know, we're

835
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: all just kind of spitballing here right now, and you know,

836
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: scuttle butt a mook, right, but you know the fact

837
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: that they didn't, you know, capture this considerator of all things,

838
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: is just kind of mind boggling to me. But it's

839
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: worth noting that the LAPD and the Medical Examiner's office

840
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 4: and the Prosecutor's office. So basically all of the authority

841
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: figures in La County are hush hush about everything. There's

842
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 4: gag orders from on the Medical Examiner. There's there's all

843
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: kinds of secrecy going on. But sources are telling TMZ.

844
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: You know, TMZ has kind of been They've been wrong

845
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: on a.

846
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: Couple of things.

847
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: You know, they they did, but whatever. But they are

848
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: being told that the grand jury will vote on the

849
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 4: indictment and witnesses may continue to be called throughout February,

850
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: meaning that an indictment isn't like imminent. But the prosecutors

851
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: do believe David was involved. You know, we've speculated on

852
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 4: this show that there were at least two people involved,

853
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: and proscuters agree and there they also the prosecutors are

854
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 4: thinking that the grand jury is going to agree as well.

855
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: The prosecutors are betting that there was going to be

856
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: an indictment.

857
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: And there's going to be an indictment this week. I

858
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: don't know, well know through February.

859
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, we have to wait through February.

860
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: We have to wait. It's going to be some time.

861
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 8: Money, But what I'm most obsessed with about this case

862
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 8: is how like all the tea is coming from the

863
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 8: hallway outside the Grand Jursey.

864
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy to you?

865
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 8: AVA piece of February information was heard in the hallway outside.

866
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 8: I want to be this is the.

867
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Speaker 4: Third This is like the third piece of information that

868
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 4: we've gotten from It's them, it's Harvey Away.

869
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 8: I'm like at this point to just not speak in

870
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Speaker 8: the hallway.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think people are the dumbest people ever.

872
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: It's crazy. I don't get it.

873
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 4: Like if you're at that corner, I just don't speak

874
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: in the hallway, Like, how stupid are you?

875
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Get Harvey Levin on our show this year.

876
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 4: I think that's aren't you Come on?

877
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: We need to get those boys on. You went on

878
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: to talk about this, and I love those guys.

879
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: But and they've they've and listen, even the things that

880
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: we thought weren't right that they reported ended up being right.

881
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: I know, you know, so like Ian, we went in,

882
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: but I predicted that this would happen there a rest

883
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: would have happened.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, a month and a half ago at

885
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: this point too, I was off. I thought by the

886
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 3: end of December.

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00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: I see, so I'm surprised that again, because if in

888
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: fact this is true, there is somebody who's very dangerous,

889
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: dangerous enough to dismember a fourteen year olds and shove

890
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: them in a car and go on your merry Day.

891
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: At March four.

892
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, or even if it's not him, whoever it is,

893
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 2: they're just wandering around the streets.

894
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: That's true.

895
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: Well, stay around. We will keep you updated as always

896
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 5: on this case. And at the top of the hour,

897
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 5: we're getting into all of the trials that we're going

898
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Speaker 5: to be following this year, and the list is lengthy.

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Speaker 2: We Love, Love, Love your talkbacks. So lots of trials

912
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: to discuss.

913
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: But before we do that, let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 11: Hi, True Crime tonight, Sam from Minnesota.

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Speaker 8: Here.

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00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 11: I just got done listening to your Christmas episode. Wow,

917
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 11: what a gift to all of us listeners. We feel,

918
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Speaker 11: or I guess I should speak for myself, feel like

919
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Speaker 11: I know you not in a creepy way, but I

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00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 11: just appreciate you guys's true friendship and it really comes

921
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 11: through on the show. Love you guys, Happy Holidays.

922
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: That is the nicest talk back ever. Sam.

923
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 5: Not only are you so sweet and thoughtful to leave

924
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 5: that message, but you also have the name. I was

925
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 5: so desperate growing up to be called Samantha, so I

926
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Speaker 5: go by Sam to be a tomboy.

927
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Speaker 3: Yeah Sam, Yeah you serious? Joe I was Joe from life. Yes, Joe.

928
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to be Joe Jam.

929
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 5: We all want to be you.

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Speaker 2: Sam exactly, Courtney, we say sure. I was like to

931
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Speaker 2: change my name to Sam forever.

932
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Speaker 3: I wanted to shoo, what is this? This is very

933
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Speaker 3: curious to come out. We'll need to have something. I

934
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: was young, but like, I love that name Sam. I

935
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Speaker 3: never been of Sam.

936
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Speaker 2: I didn't love including on our team.

937
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Speaker 3: That was so nice. Thank you for the talk back.

938
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: So, yes, yeah, we are all our friends and we

939
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: are really genuinely happy to be together and happy to

940
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: be with you guys because you are our friends too.

941
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Speaker 2: So pull up a chair to our table and we're

942
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: talking trial Watch, because again.

943
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Speaker 3: Trial Watch. We need a theme song twenty twenty six

944
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Speaker 3: watch don't do the advice? Well we have it. That

945
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Speaker 3: was it, so bring in?

946
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Speaker 2: That was it every time we said it's a trial,

947
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Speaker 2: you have to sing that body. By the way, Sam

948
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Speaker 2: and Adam play instruments, and I don't know how to

949
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 2: beg for the True Crime Tonight band to kick in.

950
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Speaker 2: Why can't we have the theme song generated live by

951
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Speaker 2: you guys.

952
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: I thought we were supposed to rehearse last week. I

953
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Speaker 3: was telling you guys, I forgot my clarinet. But I

954
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Speaker 3: think we should really put that in the recorder. Yes, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Run.

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00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: So we're gonna do last What should we What trial

957
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Speaker 3: should we start with?

958
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Speaker 6: First?

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Speaker 3: Because I can speak, Let's go to a talkback all right,

960
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: fair enough, let's do that. I'm into the talk back mood.

961
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Speaker 6: This is Henry from Florida, and I'm of the opinion

962
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Speaker 6: that with Rob Reiner's murder, I know that his son

963
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Speaker 6: was put in and out of rehab several times, but

964
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Speaker 6: I think that the parents probably should have given him

965
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Speaker 6: some tough love. And no matter what people are going

966
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Speaker 6: to talk about someone, whether they're a drug addict, or

967
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Speaker 6: whether they put them in rehab, or whether they're out

968
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Speaker 6: on the street, So at least show them tough love

969
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Speaker 6: and kick them out and hopefully they find some sort

970
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Speaker 6: of help at some point. But it would have at

971
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Speaker 6: least saved their lives.

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Speaker 3: This is a tough one. Yeah, this is a tough one.

973
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Speaker 3: Thank you for the talkback. It is, Yeah, thank you.

974
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Speaker 5: And there's so many schools, there's so many schools of thoughts,

975
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Speaker 5: and there.

976
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Speaker 4: Is I'm a tough love person, and you know, totally anecdotal,

977
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Speaker 4: but it worked for me and my family, you know,

978
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Speaker 4: but it is anecdotal, like what might work for one

979
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Speaker 4: person might not work for the other, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And it does seem like you no matter how you

981
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: slice it, Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner, his wife. By

982
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Speaker 2: the way, if you're not familiar with the case, this

983
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 2: was a tragedy that happened just before the holidays, and

984
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Speaker 2: it really you know, it ripped all of our hearts out.

985
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Speaker 2: If you don't know who Rob Reiner is, he's the

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Speaker 2: famous director you name one of the greatest movies of

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Speaker 2: all time. He probably directed it top of Head when

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Speaker 2: Harry met.

989
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Speaker 5: Sally stand by me. I watched that over this vacation.

990
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Speaker 2: I mean, just a real artist, right, he changed, He

991
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: changed the foundation of how we all watched movies and

992
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Speaker 2: how we all felt about things. So he has a

993
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Speaker 2: beautiful family. They live in Brentwood, California, which is a

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Speaker 2: very affluent, lovely area in the Los Angeles outskirts. He

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Speaker 2: and his wife, who had been married for decades, have

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Speaker 2: three children, two sons and a younger daughter. The middle son,

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner, aged thirty two. This guy had stuff, right,

998
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Speaker 2: He was like the one that had stuff. He was

999
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Speaker 2: in and out of rehab. You know, they've accounted for

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Speaker 2: eighteen times eighteen times just you know as a stage

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Speaker 2: center in some of these air quotes Los Angeles rehab centers.

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Speaker 2: That's a you know, starting point at sixty k. So

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Speaker 2: we're talking real financial investment into his wellness. And they

1004
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: even made a movie together, Rob Reiner and his son,

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Speaker 2: they made a movie just literally about addiction and surviving

1006
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Speaker 2: it and how they pushed through it. There's countless interviews

1007
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Speaker 2: discussing it. Well cut to Nick Reiner has now been arrested.

1008
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Speaker 2: He is in a Los Angeles facility awaiting trial, pled

1009
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Speaker 2: not guilty to the murder of both his mother and

1010
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Speaker 2: his father. They were killed in their bed as they

1011
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: were sleeping. The timeline is pretty specific, so he gets

1012
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Speaker 2: the mom and dad. He lives in the property basically,

1013
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Speaker 2: so they have this nice, fancy house. There's probably a

1014
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Speaker 2: guest house living in it. Because Nick's pretty not functional

1015
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Speaker 2: right to some degree. He's forever in rehab. There's interviews

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Speaker 2: of him saying, yeah, I would you know, say whatever

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Speaker 2: the rehab instructor told me to say so or wanted

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Speaker 2: me to say because I was clever so that as

1019
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Speaker 2: soon as I got out of there I could go

1020
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Speaker 2: use So this is the cycle that they were living,

1021
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Speaker 2: and something must have been doing because they didn't feel

1022
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Speaker 2: comfortable leaving him home.

1023
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Speaker 3: So they bring him along.

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Speaker 2: To a party, a Christmas party at Conan O'Brien's house.

1025
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Speaker 2: And he was a little disheveled, meaning Nick the Sun

1026
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Speaker 2: was a little disheveled. He was being kind of argumentative,

1027
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Speaker 2: He apparently was running around asking everybody.

1028
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: Are you famous or you famous?

1029
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Speaker 2: Had some weird interaction with the comedian Bill Heater. Hater

1030
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Speaker 2: I always say it wrong, thanks Hater.

1031
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: I like him very much.

1032
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Speaker 2: You know, so this is like weirdo with the party, right,

1033
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: that's like kind of making people uncomfortable, some sort of

1034
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Speaker 2: conversation or you know. Other accounts say it was a

1035
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Speaker 2: straight up fight occurs between dad Rob Reiner and son

1036
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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner. They all leave, and then this timeline gets

1037
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Speaker 2: a little wonky from there. We don't know what came first,

1038
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Speaker 2: but at some point Nick checks himself into a Santa

1039
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Speaker 2: Monica hotel, the peer Side Hotel. It's a very nice hotel.

1040
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Speaker 2: The woman at the front desk or the check in

1041
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Speaker 2: people say he seemed pretty normal.

1042
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Speaker 3: He was not like covered in blood.

1043
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Speaker 2: He was reaching for what seemed to be beers, but

1044
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Speaker 2: they were actually non alcoholic beers. We don't know if

1045
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Speaker 2: this was before or after the murders. You have to

1046
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Speaker 2: assume before because he wasn't all bloody. But you find

1047
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Speaker 2: out that the room, when his room is gone through

1048
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Speaker 2: by the cleaning service, there's blood in the shower and

1049
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Speaker 2: there's like FORCCTA curtains all on the windows, and you

1050
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 2: know there's blood on the spread, Like, yeah, it's messy.

1051
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, someone's return from a crime scene.

1052
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: So either he cleaned up and then dipped back out

1053
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Speaker 2: or vice versa. Timeline a little unhinged there, But it's

1054
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Speaker 2: not until the afternoon when mom and dad we're supposed

1055
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Speaker 2: to have a massage or something. Amususc goes to the house,

1056
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Speaker 2: can't get a hold of them. That daughter, Romy, youngest sister,

1057
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Speaker 2: also an actress, lives across the street. She loves her brother,

1058
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Speaker 2: loves her parents. Everyone's obviously is a very close family.

1059
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Speaker 2: They all live like literally within feed of each other,

1060
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Speaker 2: it seems. And uh, she comes over and dis covers

1061
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Speaker 2: Mom and dad, can you can you we're romy.

1062
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: Our hearts are with Romy. So she has to make

1063
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Speaker 3: a say that point, go find my brother. He's dangerous

1064
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Speaker 3: or something.

1065
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: That's been speculated about and taken back. Also, we don't

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Speaker 2: like some have reported that others that's inaccurate, but he

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Speaker 2: was troubled. There's lots of evidence to suggest she really

1068
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: was close with him and loved him very much. You know,

1069
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: there was she at some points that he was her

1070
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: best friend. Again, both things can be true, right, somebody

1071
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: can be troubled and he can love them so much.

1072
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: And I guess that's what's so complicated about this story,

1073
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Speaker 2: and I think that's why we're covering it and why I'm.

1074
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: Curious about it.

1075
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Speaker 2: He's now in jail, he has pled, not guilty, and now.

1076
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 3: He hasn't played yet. He hasn't. Oh, he hasn't played yet. Correct. Now, Yeah,

1077
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: he's gonna be this week.

1078
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 5: Actually, January seventh is going to be the next court hearing.

1079
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Speaker 3: That's right.

1080
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Speaker 2: But what has come out now is that he's been diagnosed,

1081
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: or he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and maybe it

1082
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: was on some you know, cocktail of meds that either

1083
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: he was taking or the wrong combination of, or wasn't

1084
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Speaker 2: taking at.

1085
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: All, or maybe doing with some such a bunch of drugs, which.

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Speaker 2: He was found downtown when he was ultimately taken into custody.

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: He was near usc which is a University of Southern California.

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00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: Also Courtney Armstrong's Arma Mada, which is in downtown Los Angeles.

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00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: The outskirts of downtown Los Angeles in some cases.

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Speaker 3: Is where you go score.

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Speaker 2: So that kind of is the assertion or assumption I

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00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 2: should say, we don't know, we don't.

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00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: Know that piece of it. So he has that lawyer,

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00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: he has Karen Reid's lawyer. Well, that's the thing.

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00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 4: Alan Jackson, right, Alan Jackson lawyer, He's an incredible lawyer.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like Alan Jackson doesn't take cases he

1097
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 4: doesn't think he can win, right.

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Speaker 3: And this is patricide, And like, what is the playbook here?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: I'm insane? Is that the place I'm insane? Or I've

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: been abused?

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00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 8: Right?

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00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: So it's one of the two. Oh no, I didn't

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: even think about that.

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00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: That's the play I mean, I'm not suggesting that. So

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm just suggesting that's what's been said. And by the way,

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00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm we haven't heard much about it in the last

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: few days and following it pretty closely, so there will

1109
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: be some ongoings with it, allegedly this week. But what

1110
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: an incredible tragedy. And again, like we've talked about earlier,

1111
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: a mother murdering her daughter, like in the Melody Buzzard case,

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00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: very unusual. Anybody murdering their parents extremely a usual.

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Speaker 3: It's very rare.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're going to be covering this, Sarah, Why

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Speaker 2: am I spacing on her name, Sarah grayce Patrick. Sarah

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00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: Grayce Patrick accused of killing her mother and her stepfather

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00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: while they slept.

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00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: She's a teenager. That trial starts tomorrow.

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00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: Would be covering it rare the Menendez brothers, we see

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Speaker 2: that one out. I'm curious what the Menendez brothers are

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00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: weighing in on that. I haven't heard anything.

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 3: I haven't either.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is one of the many trials in twenty

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00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 5: twenty six that we will be following, and again, Nick

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00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 5: Reiner will be in court on January seventh.

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Speaker 2: One question before we move on to the next one,

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: just to go back to our talk back the Rhiners

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00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: did it seems like they did everything they could, right,

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00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: they loot I think they did pie. So we're not

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: this is not a this is not a look at

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: the Reiner family and what they did or did not

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00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: do correctly. Let's put that aside and may they rest

1133
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: in peace. But I think it's an important convo, right,

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 2: What is the combo here?

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00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 8: Right?

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00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 3: So you have somebody who's clearly mentally an ill.

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00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: There's schizophrenia is very serious, also close to my is

1138
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: very serious, and drug addiction, right, it's so relatable. So

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00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: many people deal with this on a daily basis. I

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00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: would be curious if we start.

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00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: Self medicating, right, yeah, right.

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00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 5: Trying very common percentage wise with people who suffer from

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 5: mental illness, the rates of abuse to help.

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00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: And then you go on your meds and you think

1145
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 4: you're cured because you're great. Everything's everything sunky dory, Your

1146
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 4: life is great, things are picking up, you feel quote

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 4: unquote normal.

1148
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: Right, So then you go off the meds because you don't.

1149
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 4: Need them anymore. You're fixed, you're cured, and this cycle

1150
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 4: just continues, right, And then you're off the meds and

1151
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: now you're going to drugs because you're self medicating. It's

1152
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 4: just a that terrible cycle. And I don't know what

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00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: the right answer is.

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00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: You say tough love, and I love it because you know, well,

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00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: it is so anecdotal. But that's minus this schizophrenny A piece.

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00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 4: Right, Minus ischizophreny a piece is gets differny piece, I

1157
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: think changes everything.

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01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's an important distinction. And if

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Speaker 2: anybody listening has a personal antecdote to share or a

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01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: story or like I just say, for like families and

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01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: parents everywhere who have yeah, in the zero shame of

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01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: it all, what the hell do you do? How could

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01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: this have been handled with or without the same resources, Like,

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01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, this is more common than.

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Speaker 3: Probably we think.

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Speaker 2: And this is a very extreme ending, of course, which

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Speaker 2: we would hate to have see again. But maybe there's

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: something to be gleaned from it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great opportunity to talk about mental

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01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 4: health too at the same time, you know, definitely, I

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 4: think the Rhiners would maybe even appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that is so true.

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Speaker 5: And it's it permeates everyone's life and one capacity or another,

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01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 5: you know, mental health struggles. And I don't I don't

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 5: know when this quote is from, but the Rhiner family

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01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 5: has noted that victims and Rob and Michelle Reiner Nick's

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 5: parents quote tried everything, giving him space, keeping him close,

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Speaker 5: but his struggles run very deep. And that is also

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01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 5: something that Rob Reiner has spoken about about. I mean

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 5: literally trying everything everything in the book, everything, academic everything,

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01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 5: you know, hands off, every of course.

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Speaker 2: And you look at the interviews though with some of them,

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01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: and you can see like his dad, Rob Reiner, like

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: looks at him lovingly and like there's like hope in

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01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: his eyes and he wants to like connect and it's

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01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: not really behind his eyes, right, like there's something bigger

1187
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: going on with the sun, and like what do you

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01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: do in that situation? And I just think it's an

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: important conva. I certainly don't have the answers, but I

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe we can all put our brains together

1191
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: just so that if anybody finds themselves in something harrowing.

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: By the way, everybody at Conan O'Brien's party, they were

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01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: in a very dangerous situation.

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Speaker 3: Begoings to them that Momas We're going to be at

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Speaker 3: the house that.

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Speaker 2: Night, exactly the Obama's We're going to have dinner with

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01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: them that night. Right, So again, a very dangerous scenario

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Speaker 2: for anybody who just have you know, these are those

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Speaker 2: slighting doors moments, right, Yeah, you're.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely we really are. Well listen, keep it here. After

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01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 5: the break, we have even more trials that we're looking

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01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 5: ahead towards covering, including the Long Island serial killer and

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Speaker 5: Luig jiman Gione and a couple of others including Sarah

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Speaker 5: Grace Patrick. As you mentioned, Stephanie, this is true Crime tonight.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here. We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: and Bodie and the boys, Adam and Sam Taha.

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Speaker 3: We miss you as always.

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Speaker 2: And we have Ava Kaplan in the house, our most

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: favorite producer. She's usually the daytime shift, but now she

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: is nighttime. So more trials, more trials, more trials? Which

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Speaker 2: one do you think?

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Speaker 3: It's Audie List? Wow? Can you? Yes, Lisk? I'm really

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01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 3: looking forward to list.

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Speaker 4: But I'm so bombed that it's it's happening in New

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01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 4: York right, And so New York doesn't broadcast their trials,

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Speaker 4: so there's.

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Speaker 3: Not going to be any radio.

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Speaker 4: There's not going to be any you know, there's not

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Speaker 4: going to be any visual things from the trial that

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01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 4: we get it. To think of it like federal court.

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Speaker 4: You know how when Diddy was on trial, we didn't

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Speaker 4: get anything. New York doesn't broadcast in either trial, so

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Speaker 4: we're gonna have to rely on courtroom reporters, you know,

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Speaker 4: when they go on lunch break, giving us updates through

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Speaker 4: Twitter and things like that. So but I am looking

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Speaker 4: forward to Lisk. Liscu is the Long Island serial killer

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Speaker 4: and the defendant is Rex Huerman. And he is a

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Speaker 4: sixty two year old architect from Massapeco Park, New York.

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Speaker 4: And me, listen, I got a schooling on how to

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 4: say that, so hopefully I said it correctly. I have

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Speaker 4: two Long Islanders with the merchant to say rights.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 4: So he faces the allegation of being the infamous Long

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01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 4: Island serial killer. The prosecutors are saying that Rex Humorman

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 4: lived a very quiet suburban life, walking to the train

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Speaker 4: every day in a suit and carrying a briefcase. You know,

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01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: he's like the all American dad, he's like the all

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01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 4: American businessman. He takes the train from a Long Island

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01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 4: into Manhattan and he does his little architect job, and

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Speaker 4: he comes home and he's just the perfect you know.

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01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 4: That's like the facade, but the reality is, well, they're

1244
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 4: reality allegedly torturing and murdering women. He's being accused of

1245
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Speaker 4: killing seven women and the victim's full or partial remains

1246
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 4: were found along the Ocean Parkway near Gilg Beach. You

1247
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,959
Speaker 4: might hear about people talking about the Gilg Beach four,

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01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 4: and those were the original four women that they found

1249
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 4: and charged Rex Humorman with. And since he's been in jail,

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 4: they've added additional charges of other killings and murders of

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01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 4: other women to the docket of charges that he faces.

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01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 4: So he's facing charges of first and second degree murder

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Speaker 4: for the deaths of seven women dating back all the

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01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 4: way to nineteen ninety three. So he has pled not guilty.

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Speaker 4: The judge previously ruled that all seven charges will be

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01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 4: tried at once, which is really good news. So there's

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Speaker 4: only be one trial. The next to hearing is scheduled

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Speaker 4: for January thirteenth, and if convicted, he will or he

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01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 4: could receive life without the possibility of parole, and that

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Speaker 4: is one I am looking forward to for sure.

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Speaker 5: I have to say I am thrilled, and that's a

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01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 5: strange word perhaps to use in this context. I am

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01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 5: so thrilled that that judge has ruled that all of

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01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 5: these cases will be tried at once because they all

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01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 5: inform the other. And these victims who have been fought

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Speaker 5: for really only by largely their.

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Speaker 3: Mother, their mothers amiss who were otherwise forgotten, just deserve justice.

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Speaker 5: And I do believe that this is the most straightforward

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01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 5: way towards it.

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Speaker 3: So I think.

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Speaker 4: You think it's going to come to the point where

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01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 4: he's going to play out Yeah, yeah, that could be. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the upside that would be. I

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 4: was going to play devils.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no death penalty.

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01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: Myself, there is no death penalty, so why not just

1277
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: roll it down?

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Speaker 4: And there is controversial DNA in this case, right, so

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01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 4: that there was special DNA that they had to build

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01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 4: and we learned this from CC Park. Remember yeah, CC

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01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 4: was on the show and they had to build this

1282
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 4: DNA and it's kind of a new thing, but new

1283
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 4: thing for New York. I should say, it's not new elsewhere.

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 4: But so it's kind of controversial. So that is going

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01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 4: in his favor because the defense can kind of like

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 4: poke holes in that maybe. So I don't know if

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Speaker 4: he's going to please there's no death penalty. Yeah, he's

1288
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 4: got nothing to do, right, Maybe a shorter sentence, but

1289
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 4: how do you get a shorter sentence on four murders?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Seven?

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Speaker 2: Anytime soon? He's one of the song people. I guess

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't ever say this. I'm not going to say

1293
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: it out loud, but I don't know that I buy

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01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: the allegedly part.

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Speaker 5: He seems Yeah, I mean, wonder I will have to

1296
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 5: say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you are given some grace for that.

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Speaker 5: You know, all seven of these victims happened to be

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Speaker 5: murdered when his rex humor and the accused wife and

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Speaker 5: family happened to be out of the country on another

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Speaker 5: continent every time.

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Speaker 4: And his phones were in the same travel as the victims,

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Speaker 4: and the DNA and the belt.

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Speaker 2: And and by the way, the Tower of Mama's. It

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Speaker 2: was all the moms banding together and just like not

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Speaker 2: taking not taking any any note right.

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Speaker 3: Step so death.

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Speaker 4: So for those who don't know, a lot of the

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Speaker 4: victims were sex workers and he would, you know, call

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Speaker 4: him up on the back page or Craigslist wherever, you know,

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Speaker 4: they were advertising. And so the mothers felt and probably

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Speaker 4: rightfully so, that there, you know, their children that had

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Speaker 4: gone missing at the time weren't getting the attention. And

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Speaker 4: then when they discovered the bodies, it was just kind

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Speaker 4: of being like swept under the rug, right, Oh.

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Speaker 3: They're just sex workers. They they had it coming.

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Speaker 2: It was sort of the nobody said that obviously said

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Speaker 2: it felt like it was under investigated.

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Speaker 3: For you, well, there was a lot of weird stuff

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Speaker 3: happening with the police. The police were all up to

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Speaker 3: it was a jump show. But wasn't he like soliciting

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Speaker 3: sex in a park or something?

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Speaker 2: All there was some intersection that nobody quite There's a

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Speaker 2: really good book called Jimmy the Kid. It's a good book,

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Speaker 2: but there is an intersection there between what law enforcement

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Speaker 2: in that time period, all of it, but some of

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Speaker 2: the key people who have since got you know, behind

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Speaker 2: bars and served time. There is an intersection there that's

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Speaker 2: a curious one. So yeah, it seemed like these mothers were,

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Speaker 2: you know, begging for help their daughters being found in

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Speaker 2: burlap bags tossing the beach, and because they were sex

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Speaker 2: workers in some cases or had used drugs, it was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: well they don't count. And you mean to tell me

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Speaker 2: that was the feeling, doesn't It was the was a

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Speaker 2: while ago. Hopefully that wouldn't be the case in any

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Speaker 2: way today.

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Speaker 5: But it was beyond the feeling. Body And I'm trying

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Speaker 5: to remember where I saw this, whether it was a

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Speaker 5: documentary or news, but it was real news footage and

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Speaker 5: I'm going to screw up all the details, but it

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Speaker 5: was someone official, someone who was an officer or an

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Speaker 5: attorney of the state, and it really was, well who

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Speaker 5: cares sub quote, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know it was nobody cares really agregious.

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Speaker 3: We can't deploy resources, that's right. A sex worker. Of course,

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Speaker 3: I know I'm going to get this wrong. Also, speaking

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Speaker 3: of getting it wrong.

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Speaker 2: So we were you were, you and I were together

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Speaker 2: and we get a call from a journalist who was

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Speaker 2: a friend of a friend through right somebody. It was

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Speaker 2: coming from a closely connected scenario, and they basically said, look,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be an arrest in the Long Island

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Speaker 2: serial killer case, which by the way, had been cold

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Speaker 2: for years and years and years and years and years.

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Speaker 2: As a Long Islander it was like never going to

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Speaker 2: get solved. And they sent us like footage and they

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Speaker 2: had information, and they basically did say like I'm going

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Speaker 2: to give you guys the exclusive basically and you can

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Speaker 2: run with it, which of course our eyes were like,

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Speaker 2: oh okay, both because we're New Yorkers and we're like,

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Speaker 2: we're going to solve the Long Island serial killer case finally,

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: and because it did seem like it was tracking and

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Speaker 2: there were big names or can't use any of them

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Speaker 2: as big names, but we were like what and then

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Speaker 2: we wanted to like, obviously there's lawyers, and we wanted

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Speaker 2: to make sure. We wanted our lawyers to vet everything.

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Speaker 2: And that's just a part of the process. That's the unfun,

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Speaker 2: very unsexy part where on the one hand you want

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Speaker 2: to scream it from the rooftops and on the others

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Speaker 2: you're like, okay, we have to legally vet this, and

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Speaker 2: going through that process. Suddenly, like I want to say,

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Speaker 2: two weeks later, there's we didn't merit, we didn't go

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Speaker 2: with it, we didn't print, nothing went, we didn't go

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Speaker 2: forward with it. And then suddenly Rex Humorman is arrested

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Speaker 2: and he was not on that.

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Speaker 3: It was not him out really nowhere, and it wasn't

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Speaker 3: the same. It wasn't the same.

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Speaker 5: No, and Stephanie even is under selling how long.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I would love to discuss that at

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Speaker 2: some point, Joey, but okay, yes, by the way, talk

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 2: about it. We'll talk about it and that to the

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Speaker 2: list of twenty twenty six. But no, it wasn't Joey buttafuco.

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Speaker 2: But it was like high profile. It was oh wow, yeah,

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01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: don't say it was actually very scandalous.

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Speaker 8: And the.

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Speaker 2: One other important credit mun I'm wrong, But the whole

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,959
Speaker 2: idea was either the person was already behind bars because

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: they were not a danger to society, which is why

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: it was going to be a big announcement that was

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: like maybe a little politically charged that some but it

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 2: was going to take credit for finally we have this solved,

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01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: and we just we didn't do it because we can't

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 2: just we can't just accuse people of murder.

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Speaker 5: Even though it looked really it was real buttoned up,

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01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 5: real buttoned up. But man, you start itching and it fell. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: well well you know, ay, let you guys dug into it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like I'm greate with a lesson sho.

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01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: We went to sleep one night thinking like we're a

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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: bunch of losers, like we're throwing away a big hot

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: story and you know, maybe we should be it in

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: like someone else is going to take it. But it's not,

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01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the day, like that's

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01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 2: not what we're in it for. So but yeah, thank god.

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Speaker 3: Thank god.

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Speaker 5: Listen, we'd love to hear what cases you want us

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01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 5: to dig into in twenty twenty six. Yeah, so you

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 5: can always you can always call us eight to day

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01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 5: through on crime or would you do such a great

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01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 5: job of leave us a talk back on the iHeartRadio app.

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01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 5: It's in the upper right hand corner. It's a little

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 5: red microphone. You press it record and then you were

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 5: on the show. So let us know your thoughts. And

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Speaker 5: in the meantime, Luigi Mangeon of course you another one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got he.

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Speaker 5: Got a lot of child lad Yeah, So catching up

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Speaker 5: if you've forgotten. Back in December of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 5: so a little over a year ago, twenty seven year

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Speaker 5: old Luigi Mangione allegedly stalked and shot United Healthcare CEO

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Speaker 5: Brian Thompson. This happened famously outside of Manhattan hotel and

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01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 5: Mange and then allegedly fleed the scene. A five day

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Speaker 5: man hunt was triggered and ultimately manngeone was captured in Altuna, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 5: We have spoken a lot prior to the prior to

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Speaker 5: the break about everything that happened in Altoona. He was

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Speaker 5: founded in McDonald's, he showed he man Jones, showed a

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01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 5: fake a fake ID, and there's a lot of evidence

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 5: being called into question. So Mangione has pleaded not guilty

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Speaker 5: to all charges and he's been charged with a lot

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Speaker 5: in New York in New York State, which is where

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Speaker 5: the murder of CEO Brian Thompson occurred, second degree murder,

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 5: multiple weapons charges, as well as forgery. There had been

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Speaker 5: some terrorism related murder charges that were dismissed in New York, which, actually,

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Speaker 5: I'll be curious, wesh, I'd love to pick Jarrett Farantino's

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 5: brain about that.

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Speaker 3: Why, Yes, me too.

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01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 5: And then Pennsylvania state charges, which again is where Mangione

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01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 5: was captured after the five demand hunt. He is charged

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01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 5: with firearms violations, false identification as well as possessions of

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01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 5: instruments of crime. So man June allegedly had on his

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 5: person the ghost gun, the gun that someone three D printed.

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01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 3: Did he three D printed?

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 6: Yes?

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 3: We assume. So right, this guy was like in the

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01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,879
Speaker 3: basement just making a gun. That's I mean, that's your basement.

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: I mean printing throws me up. I don't know what

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 3: that looks. I know, what do you print on?

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's a printing standbu stand it's printed it

1447
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 4: like he's a glue together.

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01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: Like I don't care. It's a problem for a different day. Well, so,

1449
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 3: like my brain can't handle. But let's go we digress.

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01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 5: And then finally, federal charges include interstate stalking, murder with

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01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 5: the firearm, which is a capital offense, as well as

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01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 5: firearm violations, and the US Justice Department has announced intentions

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 5: to seek the death penalty. So there's a lot going on,

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 5: but I don't think any of it's going to be quick.

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Speaker 5: I think this is going to be a long.

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Speaker 2: Road low roll, right, Like he is not fightened for

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01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 2: a speedy trial, that's for sure. He does seem to

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: have a pretty extraordinary lawyer.

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01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yes, and man Gionne has pleaded uh, not

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01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 5: guilty to all charges. And the attorney for the state

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Speaker 5: and federal cases. Do you know what, they just flatter

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01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 5: my mind. You'll have to excuse me. But there's high

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Speaker 5: profile on all ends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 2: It's like that this is like a lawyer off, Like

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01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: that's really what we're following here, is like who has

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01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 2: the best lawyer?

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, Well, you know, Sarah Grace Patrick's trial starts tomorrow,

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01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 4: so quarly right, Yeah, this is this has moved very quickly,

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Speaker 4: and you know, the Dodge did promise her a speedy

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Speaker 4: trial though, so this is what it looks like. You know,

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Speaker 4: so that's going to start tomorrow, and I guess it's

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Speaker 4: you know tomorrow's I don't think there's a bench trial,

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Speaker 4: so I do believe jury selection is tomorrow. For those

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Speaker 4: who don't aren't familiar, She has been accused of killing

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Speaker 4: her mother, another another child, killing their parents, patricide, killing

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Speaker 4: her mother, forty one year old Kristen Brock and her stepfather,

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Speaker 4: forty five year old James Brock, inside their home on

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Speaker 4: February twenty at The investigator said the couple was found

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Speaker 4: shot to death after Sarah called nine one one. Authorities

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01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 4: quickly labeled the case of double homicide after no firearm

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01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 4: was out at the scene. Yeah, so that's going to

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Speaker 4: be sorry tomorrow, we'll definitely be following it. I do

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Speaker 4: believe tomorrow the first two days are jury section. We

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01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 4: will definitely keep everybody posted. But that's that's another one

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Speaker 4: we're looking forward to discuss.

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Speaker 3: Running at a time.

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Speaker 2: I have so many and this, you know, these cases

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Speaker 2: of murdering your parents. Yeah, in her case, there's not

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Speaker 2: even really allegedly drugs involved, not that she's young, she's

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Speaker 2: so young. This is just tragic. You know, we know

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Speaker 2: very little about Sarah Greece Patrick. I'm sure a lot

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Speaker 2: will come.

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Speaker 3: I take a lot will come.

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01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: Out other than she was like show voting a bit

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Speaker 2: about her grief after the murders, and was on TikTok.

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Speaker 4: Sang, and she was reaching out to True Crime creators

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Speaker 4: asking them for the case, which is very kind of interesting.

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Speaker 4: So stick around, We've got more to dig into. Give

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Speaker 4: us a call eighty eight thirty one Crime if you

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01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 4: want to be on the show, or leave us a

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01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 4: talk back on the iHeartRadio app. Keep her right here

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Speaker 4: on True Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm staff here and

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Speaker 2: Courtney and body. So Courtney just shared with us her

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Speaker 2: pain Fine Numbers that she was doing all through the

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Speaker 2: holiday break. By the way, it's so it's good I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about.

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01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 3: I was expecting this. I thought human junk art.

1511
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that, it was like pain Fine numbers, carders,

1512
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 2: not this, not this.

1513
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 4: This is gorgeous. I would hang this up in my

1514
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 4: in my house too.

1515
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,879
Speaker 3: I would tattoo it on my forehead. Is so funny.

1516
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 5: But honestly, for anyone who's looking for something to do,

1517
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 5: it's like it's the dopamine hit I cut out, and

1518
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 5: Stephanie will know that this is crazy, that it wasn't

1519
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,839
Speaker 5: that big of a deal. But I cut out social

1520
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 5: media entirely. And this is partly dopamine hit and just

1521
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 5: detail and it's very therapeutic. But these paint by numbers

1522
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,799
Speaker 5: you can get really intricate kits. You need zero talent.

1523
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 3: I can assure you, No, this looks pretty talented, and

1524
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 3: this is really good. I want to like this.

1525
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it is so pretty, like I really want one.

1526
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 3: I will send you there.

1527
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 5: They're so cheap and actually we'd love to hear any

1528
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 5: of you leave us a dog bag if you're into

1529
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 5: this genre of thing.

1530
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 3: You know, I.

1531
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 4: Don't want to I don't want to get the I

1532
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 4: don't want to get the supplies, you know what I mean, Like,

1533
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 4: I don't want to have that stuff or the mess.

1534
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 3: I just want the I would do you have, like

1535
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 3: where's where?

1536
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 5: It's like thirteen by thirteen inches, So I just I

1537
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 5: don't have an easel.

1538
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 3: No, it's do you know what.

1539
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 5: I don't hang them in my house because I feel

1540
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 5: like I would start to be like a weird needle pit.

1541
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 3: Uh right, you know, and just Josh Keys but in.

1542
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 5: In like my office or stuff like that, and then

1543
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 5: otherwise if if I'm done, I say thank you and

1544
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 5: toss it.

1545
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 3: It gave me pleasure, you know, gave me very pleasure

1546
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 3: I'm not going to have.

1547
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 4: I've done needle points from this company called Subversive cross Stitch,

1548
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 4: and they do like snarky needle points, you know, like, yeah,

1549
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 4: oh my god, those are fun. That's a really good unwinding.

1550
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 3: It's the same VI. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1551
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 2: If I'm I shouldn't enough. It is so beautiful. Don't

1552
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: every sauce one. I will take one in frem too.

1553
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, post it on my wall. This is beautiful.

1554
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:56,839
Speaker 3: Look at you. I'm just shocked.

1555
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, your your talents continue to amaze.

1556
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 5: Well listen, thank goodness for vacation when we have time

1557
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 5: to do stuff like this. Right, And speaking of I

1558
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 5: think we had some talkbacks of maybe what other folks

1559
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 5: were up to.

1560
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1561
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 10: Hello, True Crime team. This is Molly from Pennsylvania and Stephanie.

1562
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 10: I love you. I am so thrilled that you got

1563
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 10: a real tree. I swear I was not trying to

1564
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 10: guilt everyone and the running out and getting a real

1565
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 10: tree for this year. Just something to think about the

1566
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 10: future years. But here's what I think needs to happen.

1567
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 10: You all need to plan a trip to Pennsylvania next year.

1568
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 10: Come on out, pick out a tree. I'll hook up

1569
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 10: the mini horse to the slife. We just know. If not,

1570
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 10: I'll hook them up to the wagon. Everyone to take turns,

1571
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 10: take and a ride. While someone's out. When the mini

1572
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 10: horse ride, the rest of you can be sipping some

1573
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 10: hot coco or hot apple slider and loving up on

1574
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 10: the three other horses getting equine therapy. I want you

1575
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 10: all to know, in these crazy times, how uplifting despite

1576
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 10: the content that you know you're talking about, your shirt

1577
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 10: is uplisting. I'll just I could keep gushing of you all.

1578
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: Molly, we love you coming. Okay, So I'm getting out

1579
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: our calendar. It's pretty wide open for the horses in

1580
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 2: the next holidays.

1581
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 3: Can you imagine, well you just described it sounds it

1582
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 3: sounds like above. Yeah, that's spend Christmas on a Christmas

1583
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 3: tree farm.

1584
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 4: It's like it's like a Hallmark movie or a smile Yeah,

1585
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 4: like the big city girl come into town.

1586
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: You know, like that's me. I'm going to love bring

1587
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 3: me the.

1588
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 5: There's going to be a prince or a princess, but

1589
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 5: they're going to be like mucking the barn and then

1590
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 5: you find out their royalty after you fall in love because.

1591
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: For the money exactly.

1592
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: And you were like, look at the guy cutting down

1593
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: the trees and he cares and he's like feeding us

1594
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,440
Speaker 2: the horse cider.

1595
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 3: Gold. Okay, we have literally jumped the slie. We are

1596
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 3: so there. Thank you.

1597
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 2: Let's like book the dates now, Ava, are you in?

1598
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 2: Sam and Adam?

1599
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 3: Can I get what Mollie? We are packing our bags.

1600
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 3: We will see you in three hundred and sixty days.

1601
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 3: Giddy up. Giddy up is right by the way.

1602
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: You can't beat the you can't beat the pleasure of

1603
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: the smell of fresh evergreen.

1604
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 3: That's fury the end exclamation point. Well, I thank you

1605
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 3: so much Molly for that.

1606
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 8: I think we have actually a talk back about that

1607
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,799
Speaker 8: or something similar, stuff about the smell of fresh evergreen.

1608
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll bring it. Let's do it.

1609
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 12: Hi, guys, this is Andy from Minnesota, and you were

1610
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 12: talking about Christmas and consumption and I just wanted to

1611
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,759
Speaker 12: share some things that my sister and I have started

1612
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 12: doing for each other. We also have too much stuff

1613
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 12: and jobs we can buy whatever we need. So we've

1614
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 12: been giving each other the gift of experiences, trips to

1615
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 12: the theater or going to see a comedy show. We

1616
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 12: went to drag brunch, We took a trip together to

1617
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 12: Chicago in November and just really enjoyed our time together.

1618
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 12: Those are things that you can't buy, experiences that can't

1619
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 12: be purchased, and memories that you carry with you for

1620
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 12: the rest of your life.

1621
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 3: True, so true, And you don't have to wrap it.

1622
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah you can, that's true, but that you could write

1623
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 2: the little like note and put it in.

1624
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 4: A balance now, but I love the tip for you know,

1625
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 4: under consumption. That's kind of one of my things this

1626
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 4: year is I want to consume less, you know. So

1627
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 4: I love the idea of gifting experiences. I just have

1628
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 4: to make sure that it's an experience that the people

1629
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 4: I want to spend those.

1630
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 3: Experiences with want to do because they just don't have

1631
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 3: the same sometimes. Yeah, now, but that is so great.

1632
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think anything's better than that, because that

1633
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 5: is why do you remember even even if it's you know,

1634
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 5: like dinner at a group's house and you all get

1635
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 5: dressed in a theme or something like, things don't have

1636
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 5: to be that expensive experiences.

1637
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: Exactly Christine who always comes on you know, Christine, our

1638
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: our motivational life coach. She says, to have all your

1639
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: buds choose a movie like I love the Holiday for example,

1640
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 2: whatever the movie you do, and then you can all

1641
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: like wear matching for jamas and then you even you

1642
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 2: can do that virtually you don't have to be together

1643
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: because sometimes you're far apart from your loved ones and

1644
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 2: like there's really inexpensive things. That's the trick to this year,

1645
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 2: less of the more and more and more.

1646
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 3: Right, you don't have to keep up with the Jones's,

1647
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like it's not having a

1648
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 3: rough time, just like all of us.

1649
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: Get it easy over there either And by the way,

1650
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 2: like if we can us appreciate what we have a

1651
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 2: little more, right, Like that's my hope for myself, like

1652
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 2: appreciating and love, not even appreciating loving what you have

1653
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 2: or I have, which is so much like loving what I.

1654
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 3: Have versus having what I want. What is it want?

1655
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 3: That's a Buddhist saying, right, I'm going to get it wrong,

1656
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 3: but go with me here. Having what's done.

1657
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 8: It's not having what you want, it's loving what you got.

1658
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 2: No loving what you loving what you what you have,

1659
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,520
Speaker 2: not having what you want.

1660
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1661
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 5: It's a little bit of a riddle with wanting what

1662
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 5: you have having what you want. Know, you're exactly right, Stephanie.

1663
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 5: I love that saying yeah and that actual want what

1664
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 5: is you already yeah, and appreciate it and love it and.

1665
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 3: Relish in it and and love on each other a

1666
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 3: little more, right, mm hmm, I'm all about it.

1667
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 4: So there's another there's another thing too here that you know,

1668
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 4: I've forgotten about that. You know, we're just talking about

1669
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 4: the trials that we were looking for two in twenty

1670
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 4: twenty six. By the way, if you're just joining us,

1671
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 4: give us call eighty eight thirty one Crime if you

1672
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 4: want to pop on the show and give us a

1673
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 4: little talk. But the one case I forgot about Keffy D.

1674
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to kfy D. It's happening in

1675
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 4: Las Vegas and he is going to be on trial

1676
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 4: for the murder of Tupac Okay so too wrapper. Tupac

1677
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 4: Shakori was twenty five years old. They were at the

1678
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 4: boxing match, you know, the famous Mike Tyson Las Vegas

1679
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 4: fights that used to happen in the nineties. It's crazy. Well,

1680
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 4: he's going to be on trial for the murder of Tupac.

1681
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 4: One moment.

1682
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 3: I have to add Stephanie. One second, there we go.

1683
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 4: Okay, So Tupac was shot in a drive by on

1684
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 4: September seventh, nineteen ninety six, and this happened in Las

1685
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 4: Vegas while he was stopped at a stop light. After

1686
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 4: this fight, the victim, Tupac was hit four times by

1687
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 4: a forty caliber Block twenty two and he died six

1688
01:27:58,680 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 4: days later.

1689
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 3: Show the Knight.

1690
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 4: He was in the car he was driving was also injured.

1691
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 4: So Orlando Anderson, he was a Southside Compton cripp He

1692
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 4: was long suspected of being the trigger man, right, long suspected. However,

1693
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 4: he died. He was killed in nineteen ninety eight. Okay,

1694
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 4: so just a couple of years later. Was he killed

1695
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 4: by Diddy?

1696
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 7: Wow?

1697
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 3: Kidding, that's a good question. I'm not kidding. Kaffy D.

1698
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 3: Keffy D.

1699
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,600
Speaker 4: His real name is Dwayne Davis, but he goes by

1700
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 4: Keffy D. He's the uncle of Orlando Anderson. And he

1701
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 4: was in the car allegedly that night. Okay, he was

1702
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 4: arrested here in Las Vegas in twenty twenty three and

1703
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 4: charged with the first degree murder as an alleged accomplice.

1704
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 4: He pled not guilty, and he did not. He denies

1705
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 4: firing the fatal shots. Now Las Vegas PD no love

1706
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 4: lost with me. They mismanaged this case they filed. They

1707
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,959
Speaker 4: failed to follow certain leads, witness statements in photo lineups,

1708
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 4: and a lot of the witnesses from you know, Tupac's

1709
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 4: entourage largely refused to cooperate, which wasn't surprising.

1710
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 5: Isn't didn't Suge Night, the record executive and dear dear

1711
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 5: like life friend of Tubox card didn't he say that

1712
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 5: he would not say if he ever if I if

1713
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 5: I know today, I'm not telling you.

1714
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 3: Yep, he said it would never stitches.

1715
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like to Ethos, you know, right,

1716
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 4: it's Ethos, right, Yeah, sure, I'm no snitch. So his

1717
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 4: trial is scheduled to start in August of twenty twenty

1718
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 4: six here in Las Vegas. It's going to be one

1719
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety five degrees out, So listening if you're

1720
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 4: thinking about coming here for the trial in August, to

1721
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:43,919
Speaker 4: bring a swimsuit.

1722
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to that.

1723
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Speaker 2: It's a big one because again that was in the

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01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: Didy doc. If you haven't, well, let's talk about that.

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01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Have you guys all get it in?

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01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 3: Yes? Of course, of course, so good.

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01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: So again, can I just say a big shout out

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01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: to any of the victims that were featured in that

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01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: that I feel like there's so much press about, like

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01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 2: there has been so much about what potential crimes did

1731
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: he may have committed, which I'm curious if that will

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01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: have an effect on his fifty month sentence, especially in

1733
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,959
Speaker 2: light of this trial coming up, because something comes.

1734
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 4: Out in this trial that that did he did, it

1735
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 4: really did pay that middleman who died of cancer, can't

1736
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 4: remembers yet. Now it for Kathy d and Orlando to

1737
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 4: get this money to kill Tubac. Come, oh my, can

1738
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 4: you imagine?

1739
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 5: I mean in the documentary if you haven't seen it,

1740
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 5: it's laid out and it is what happened to Tupac

1741
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 5: score that he was shot, you know, the night in

1742
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 5: September ninety six. But man, this dot paints every road

1743
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 5: back to Diddy to the payment. There's we're looking at

1744
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 5: some papers.

1745
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants to go home to did he file

1746
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: to complain he wants to go home. Oh bo Yeah,

1747
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 2: and his sons believe it's justin. And there's another one.

1748
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 2: They're doing their own documentary. A trailer dropped on something

1749
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 2: called zeus. I don't even know what that is, but

1750
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 2: that's like their side of it, okay, which there's two

1751
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 2: sides sides, right, a thousand sides to everything. Perspective is

1752
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: really powerful. But man, they squarely say some very serious

1753
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 2: thing which appears to have some receipts. I gotta imagine

1754
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: just knowing from what we know on the KT side,

1755
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 2: like things are legally vetted so intensely on the dock.

1756
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 4: Sidace you that from being a documentary, Yeah, like sometimes.

1757
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 2: All the good stuff is taken out, you know, like

1758
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: the end, Like you could really feel like you have

1759
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: certain a certain set of goods and either the network

1760
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 2: or the streamer their legal is you know, obviously does

1761
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 2: not want to be dealing with a lawsuit. And then

1762
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 2: on our side, we had the scariest of the most

1763
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 2: intense lawyers, so that process is so intense. I did

1764
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 2: not imagine that Netflix did not go down a road.

1765
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 4: Having worked with Netflix on two different shows, one being

1766
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 4: a documentary, I mean we were vetted. It was invasive

1767
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 4: in vetting that they did. Ye, So I mean, I

1768
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 4: if they did that just for us, our little, unknown,

1769
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 4: little people, I can't imagine what they had done for this,

1770
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I can't imagine.

1771
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 3: I mean it must have been so incredibly.

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01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 8: I keep thinking about what Jarrett Farantino, or our lawyer

1773
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 8: that we have on on Wednesdays, said about it, because

1774
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 8: we asked him like, how did they get away with this?

1775
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 8: And his theory was kind of like it was them

1776
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 8: almost daring?

1777
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 3: Did he?

1778
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 8: And he seem to refute it becauxactly they did that,

1779
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 8: then they would have to go to court, which you.

1780
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: Mentioned getting deposed about it. But would you want to

1781
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 2: do it because now you're open to question.

1782
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 5: Now you're open to the deposition, right, But he did

1783
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 5: Jarrett did frame it so well or just answered so plainly.

1784
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 5: You know, we asked, how is this not defamation? He's like, well,

1785
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 5: you have to be lying and you have to lies.

1786
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I can't.

1787
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,839
Speaker 2: Just be an opinion just because somebody says an opinion,

1788
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 2: you can't air it. So it has to be really checked,

1789
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, multiple sources, all the things. So pretty extraordinary stuff. Again,

1790
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,839
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it. It is definitely worth the watch.

1791
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 3: Aubrey O Day. She gets no say like none of

1792
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 3: the press has ever been about. I mean, I'm sure

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01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 3: there is.

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Speaker 6: I just.

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Speaker 2: She was so incredible and sometimes when I go to

1796
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 2: my heart goes out to her, I mean a bible.

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01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 2: I don't know her, but somehow Auby Oday is like

1798
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 2: heavy on my heart sending her. It took a lot

1799
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 2: of bravery, so to all of the victims in that case.

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Speaker 8: He's going to be in court this week. He's going

1801
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 8: to be in Core on the sixth, so we can

1802
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 8: follow that because he's denying some evidence, so we'll not

1803
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 8: as well.

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Speaker 3: Body, you're going to go the Live Live Machine, Live.

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Speaker 2: Well Listen. Day one of twenty twenty six is under

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Speaker 2: our belt.

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Speaker 3: We love you. We did it guys listening.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow this you know, major trial with

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Speaker 2: again mattress Side Patricide True crime tonight.

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Speaker 3: Stay safe out there and thank you for listening.