1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. 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This is Laura. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in mid June of twenty twenty six. 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: We're going to be talking Father's Day, and we will 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: also be talking summer reading, which of course is something 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: that is big around this time of year, with lots 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: of book guides coming out, people looking for ways to 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: lean into that during the summer months. But first, Father's 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: Day coming up next weekend here in the United States, Sarah, 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: do you have any particular memory. 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Of Father's Day activities as a kid. 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: So when I think of Father's Day, I think of cheese, cheese, Okay, 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: because because every year my dad was actually not typically 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: home for Father's Day, he had this law course that 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: was in Madison, Wisconsin. That was like always the same 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: time every year, and it was held over the weekend 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: of Father's Day. We did actually go with him one year. 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: I got to experience my first tornado siren in Madison. 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure that was fun for you. Maybe that's the 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 2: source of the lightning phobia. 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: For the future. 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: Possibly maybe I remember getting in the basement of our hotel. Anyway, 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: so he would go and we didn't do anything for 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 3: Father's Day, and he always came back with a whole 35 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: bunch of cheese and his suitcase which he bought at 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: the Babcock Hall Creamery. And now I'm like, you put 37 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: in your suitcase, Like, wouldn't that be like room temp? 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: But it seemed to be fine. We all ate it 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: and it was really good cheese. I wonder if I 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: could from there. 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: And when cheese was started, maybe they didn't have regular 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: refrigeration and it was just like in cellars and stuff. 43 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: Right as I'm recording this, I'm thinking, if they allow orders, 44 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: I'm going to order cheese to our house and my 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: dad's house, maybe my father in law's house too for 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: Father's Day. Why not everyone can. 47 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: Get Cheese's gonna have cheese, good Wisconsin cheese. That's like 48 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: the dairy land right there. Oh, I love it. 49 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: What about you? 50 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: Those are my unconventional Father's Day memories. 51 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any particular memories of specific father's days, 52 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: so it must not have I don't think we did 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: huge things for either of the mother's or father's days. 54 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: But have you done any fun gifts in recent years that? 55 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, so those were like childhood father's Day. My more 56 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: modern day Father's Day memories are generally around Miami Beach 57 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: because like we would celebrate my father in law's Father's Day, 58 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: while we would celebrate Josh's Father's Day. So a lot 59 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: of like given that it's June, like pool barbecue, Father's 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: Day stuff that we usually do, and I do usually 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: take the kids shopping to get Josh something fun. Like 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 3: we used to do ties, but then he kind of 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: stopped wearing ties for the most part, or he had 64 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: enough ties we stopped. And it tends to be like 65 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: an elevated version of something normal. So we did like 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: ADP kit. It was nice. We've done like shirts and 67 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: like nice swim trunks and things like that. Every once 68 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: in a while, I'll just order but we try to 69 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: get to a store. So yeah, we do a Father's 70 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: Day gift and I do really like to have the 71 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: kids involvement there. 72 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're probably going out to brunch this year at Tallulas, 73 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: which is a restaurant that we both like, and so 74 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: it's a slightly fancier brunch. We'll see how the kids 75 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: do with it. I had made the reservation for six people, 76 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: and then I realized that Jasper's gonna be home too, 77 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: so I got to go call them and make it 78 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: for seven people. 79 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: Hopefully that will work out. Maybe they can pull up 80 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: an extra little chair. There's a fun fact about Tululas 81 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: I have to share. 82 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Okay, what's the fun fact? 83 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift has eaten there? 84 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Oh really when I don't know. 85 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: But as I was telling you, we're also going to 86 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: Tulula's like a month after you are. And that's what 87 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: came up on the internet when I looked up Ta Lula's. 88 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: So I was so excited. I think like a year ago. 89 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: I think she celebrated some Mother's Day, maybe twenty twenty five. 90 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, random, random, for sure. Well it's a great place. 91 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: We've enjoyed there. We've gone there several times. And have 92 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: liked it a lot. 93 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: So with this Father's Day kind of theme, there's a 94 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: lot of father's content that will be out there of. 95 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: Like what the modern dad does. 96 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: But we talked a little bit about when we sort 97 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: of think about what dads do, what's been helpful for 98 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: making sure that everyone is being part of family life 99 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: even when you have two parents with intense jobs. You've 100 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: really hit on vertical ownership, right, Sarah as an idea. 101 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, from like the baby phase on, it's just nice 102 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: to have some tasks that one parent entirely owns, and like, 103 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: living in the society that we do, the mom's going 104 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: to own some things. I mean, I'd be hard pressed 105 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: to find a family where the mom isn't owning certain things. 106 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: Maybe it's doctor visits, maybe it's feeding the baby when 107 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 3: they're young, you know whatever. But it's nice to also 108 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: have some things that the dad entirely owns and like. So, 109 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: for example, Josh is like the ball sports parent, I 110 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: don't really you know, I'm not vocal on the team chats. 111 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: I don't like think about as much like which teams 112 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: to do. I'm don't usually do the practice driving and 113 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: pick up for those sports and it's great because there 114 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: might be areas of your life that one person is 115 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: just kind of better suited to than the other, and 116 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: if it's entirely owned, then it's a true burden off 117 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 3: of the one parent. So we have practiced vertical ownership 118 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: even when the kids we're babies. Every once in a 119 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: while it was like, I am going to this workout 120 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: class that is not in the house, so I am 121 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: not in charge of our child for the next three 122 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: four hours. And to be really explicit that you are 123 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: looking for that break versus like kind of casually, oh yeah, 124 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: we both tag team like you might not. But if 125 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: it's really clear, then you can get that true respite 126 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: and the dad can build his confidence and confidence in 127 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: of course being able to care for his own child. 128 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: And by the way, I have to say, like, I 129 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: think it's great that there's more fatherhood content. I think 130 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: that's definitely a positive. There shouldn't just be motherhood. 131 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: It shouldn't just be. 132 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 3: Women talking about how to raise our kids. It should 133 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 3: be bothers talking about how to be present in the 134 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: family and what they like to do to build family 135 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: culture and things like that. So I think it's great. 136 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely for sure. 137 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: So in our family, I mean, among other things, but 138 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: Michael is the movie parent, and this is one where 139 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: I just have, I don't know, basically zero desire to 140 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: go see a movie in a movie theater, and I 141 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: really never have in the course of our time of 142 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: being together. 143 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: And so this is always something like he's like. 144 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: You never want to go to movies? Yeah, no, I 145 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: really don't, so we basically didn't. He's like, well, our 146 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: kids will go to movies. I'll go to movies with 147 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: the kids. And then when they were all of a 148 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: sudden old enough to start doing that, he has been 149 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: the one who does movies with them since that point. 150 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: I think I sort of remember when they were young 151 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: some of the first movies that they would do together, 152 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: probably some sort of Disney thing when Jasper was like 153 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: four or five that you start taking them too. But yeah, 154 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: the kid they all look for different movies that are 155 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: coming out, to like the Mandalorian one that just came out, 156 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: or the Superhero ones or the sequels I don't know, 157 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: like Hotel Transylvania. I think all four were seeing in 158 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: theaters or something like that. But yeah, they go do 159 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: that as an occasional weekend activity, and. 160 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: I love that. 161 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't like I will sit at home while all 162 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: the other people in the family go to a movie 163 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: and it's great. 164 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: And didn't he also own dentist for a while, which 165 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: is a pretty big category. 166 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not anymore, less so now, because it's 167 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: just there's so many people going to the dentist, and 168 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: we've gotten off sequence, Like we can't all seven people 169 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: descend on this dental office at once anyway, It's too 170 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: small for that to occur. So we've gotten off cycles 171 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: with some of us. So I was on cycle with 172 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: Sam for a while, but then we're not even anymore. 173 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: Orthodontia is more his category, because in my mind, the 174 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: kid's teeth look fine. 175 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: You're not up for two rounds of braces like everyone 176 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: gets in my house. 177 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: No, I'm not a I'm not entirely sure it's necessary. 178 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: But Sam and Ruth have both been through this, and 179 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: Ruth's getting her braces off now and they'll be done 180 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: about to potentially start Alex. 181 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: We shall see. 182 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if he needs them or not, but 183 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure the orthodontists he will take him too for 184 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: a reason. They'll find a reason, like why would you 185 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: ever have somebody come in your off and say no, 186 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: they don't need braces, So I feel like this is 187 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: but hey, you. 188 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: Know what's funny. When we took Cameron, I feel like 189 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: they wanted me to be surprised that they would say 190 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: he needs Like they're like well, and I'm like, well, duh, 191 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: Like that's why I'm here, like and not even that 192 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: his teeth are that bad because he did a round 193 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: one of braces already. But it wasn't like I was surprised. 194 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: It was a very unsurprised. All Right, we're getting we're 195 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: digressing big time, but we're digressing big time about orthodontia here. 196 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: But you can also, I mean, one of the great 197 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: things about having a co parent is being able to 198 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: split up sometimes and have individual kids do things with 199 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: each parent that might match more with their interests than 200 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: with others. So, for instance, Michael and Sam took a 201 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: buddy trip to Alaska, like definitely two guys on a 202 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: road trip, out hiking in Bear country, fishing on various 203 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: boats for salmon, and whatever else they got in Alaska. 204 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: So definitely a dude trip, as is scuba diving, because 205 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: I'm not into scuba diving whatsoever. So Michael and Sam 206 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: have done this, and now Alex got his license, so 207 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: the three of them. 208 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: Will do various dive trips together. 209 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: And I learned to scuba when I was first dating Michael, 210 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: and I really don't like it, so I'm glad that 211 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: this does not have to be part of my life anymore. 212 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: I'm confident I would also not like it. So we 213 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: have Josh as a movie parent, kind of like you 214 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: do as well, and I do love taking little one 215 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: on one trips and he's done the same thing, especially 216 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: with Cameron, to like a sports game. So the kind 217 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: of yeah, like dividing and deepening individual relationships, I think 218 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: can be great for fathers, great for mothers, great for 219 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: the family. 220 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you definitely want to set up a situation 221 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: where both parents can in fact do this. I've seen 222 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: this actually in some families are just like, Okay, well 223 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: dad can take a single child off to do something, 224 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: but there's no way mom could do it because that 225 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: would involve leaving everyone else and that's not something that 226 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: can be put on dad, and I think that's ridiculous. 227 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: So I definitely we've set up where, for instance, spring break, 228 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: I took Sam to Japan and last summer it took 229 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: Josper to France on the choir tour. And yeah, if 230 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: you find yourself thinking that you should probably rework your 231 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: family set. 232 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: Up, agree, I took Genevieve to THELA So there you go. 233 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: Exactly. 234 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: All right, let's take it. 235 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: So we're going to take a quick ad break and 236 00:10:48,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: then we'll be back talking more Father's Day content. Well, 237 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: we are back. This is the Tuesday before Father's Day. 238 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: As you might imagine, Sarah and I are both sort 239 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: of more of the planner in the family, but trying 240 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: to make sure this is at least somewhat of a 241 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: two person job. What have you done in that category, Sarah? 242 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love planning things for the family, but I 243 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: have to remember to include some kind of discussion phase 244 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: early on before I get to attached to any given plans. 245 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: So if I start to get excited about some trip 246 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: or the way we do camp, I had to learn 247 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: this over the years. I feel like, but I've been like, 248 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: you know what, before we get any further here, let's 249 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: make sure we talk about it at dinner, that least, 250 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: send a text and make sure that I have buy 251 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: in and like to be honest, Usually I get a 252 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: lot of buy in, but every once in a while 253 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: I'll be like surprised by like, no, I really want 254 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: to do this instead, and like obviously I could then 255 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: push back if I wanted to do, and it was important. 256 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that what he would want to do 257 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: would always be the answer, but a lot of times 258 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: some of the decisions could go many different directions, and 259 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 3: it's just important to have multiple pieces of input before 260 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 3: moving forward. And as the kids have gotten older, that's 261 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: included a lot more kid consultation as well. 262 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that a lot of just like 263 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: general weekend plans, it tends to be me and then 264 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: Michael's kind of up for anything, which is good because 265 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: otherwise this would not be workable. I would be very 266 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: unhappy if somebody was not up for anything and yet 267 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: was not actively planning a lot of this stuff. However, 268 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: in terms of vertical ownership, I've decided he can mostly 269 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: book all our bigger trips, like we'll just vaguely decide 270 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: like we want to go to the Galapagos, and then 271 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: he is in charge of actually doing the bookings and 272 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: doing the airplane and the hotel stuff and all that 273 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: because I feel like he does more travel. I do 274 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: a lot of travel, but he does even more than 275 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: I do. So he's sort of vaguely aware that, like, oh, yeah, 276 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: Delta would fly through here and all this stuff, and 277 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: that I wouldn't necessarily be and so I like to 278 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: have him be completely in. 279 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: Charge of that. 280 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: See. I care so much more about those details that 281 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 3: I end up vertically owning that part, but I actually 282 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: I actively enjoy it, like the choosing of the hotel 283 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: and things like that. 284 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course, getting outside help is always a 285 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: good way to make sure that everyone is able to 286 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: do the things that they want to do moms, dads, etc. 287 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: We're a big fan of having enough childcare that, for instance, 288 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: both of you can have a hobby. In some families 289 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: it works to trade off, and others it's harder to 290 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: coordinate that. But then you have an evening sitter and 291 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: both of you can take a night to do something, 292 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: and that might be a great way to make sure 293 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: that everyone is happy in the two parent dynamic as well. 294 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: Yes, and there may be sort of like higher value 295 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: things that a father or mother can do for the 296 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: family and then lower value things, And I would rather 297 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: Josh be available to go to basketball than him be 298 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: doing laundry, so we do get help with some of 299 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: that stuff, and I think it's been really good overall 300 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: for our parenting experience for both of us. 301 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 302 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well, let's pivot to summer reading. So a couple 303 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: weeks ago Modern Missus Darcy came out with her summer 304 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: reading list. 305 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: That was a big event for you, right, Sarah. 306 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: Yes, I love it. I love that she makes it 307 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: a whole celebration. I love that she now comes out 308 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: with a physical like magazine that you can have mailed 309 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: to your house so you can flip through it and 310 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: like really have fun with it. And I did actually 311 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: go that route this year, and I yeah, I just 312 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: like the idea of summer reading as like an event. 313 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm just ready for it at the 314 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: end of every school year. 315 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, what were some of your favorite titles on 316 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: the list this year? 317 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: Ooh, I don't have it with me. I'm starting one 318 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: today because I just finished my last book that's called 319 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: something like The One Day I Had with my Husband. 320 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: I mean, that's not quite the name of it. I'll 321 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: have to send it to Laura so she can put 322 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: it in the post. But one day I was married 323 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: something like that, and it's like a thriller, which is 324 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: not a book I normally would have picked, but it 325 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: was on that list. And my book club actually has 326 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: not because of me, but a few of them also 327 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: follow her, and so we all got very excited because 328 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: our last book club meeting was right after the launch 329 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: of her list, and we were like, ooh, which one 330 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: of these books should be read? So we picked that one. 331 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: So I'm super excited. There's a new and patchet book 332 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: out that's on her list that looks great. Yeah, just 333 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: a lot of like beloved authors that I had read 334 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: before and just a lot of juicy fiction. Looks good. 335 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 336 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: Now, I've been trying to get to the library frequently 337 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: this year. That was on my sort of goal list 338 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: for the year as regular library trips, because if I 339 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: have books, I am more likely to read them, and 340 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: the upside of the libraries you can kind of grab anything. 341 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: But I do tend to gravitate toward natural history type 342 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: stuff and science. I find for whatever reason, I've been 343 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: really enjoying reading into that to the point where I've 344 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: been reading lately this this is like so the opposite 345 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: of a summer reading book, Richard Forty's book Trilobytes, about 346 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: the ancient animal that chylobitist. 347 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: It's about trilobites. 348 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: Yes, it's about trilobites. 349 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: But you know they live from like five five hundred 350 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: and fifty million years ago to two hundred and fifty 351 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: million years ago, which is a huge run, right, Like, 352 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: that's longer than the dinosaurs. It certainly longer than mammals 353 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: or humans or anything like that. 354 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's just they live forever. 355 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: Although you think of like the oh they were a 356 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: primitive creature that just was died in the past. Clearly 357 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: they must not have had what it took, and yet 358 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: they last a long longer than so many other creatures 359 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: ending in the in Permian extinction. Of course we have 360 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: to get that in here. So yes, I have been 361 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: reading that, Sarah. 362 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: Wow, So I guess the answer to my next question 363 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: is going to be, No, do you read any differently 364 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: in summer? Yeah? 365 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: No, not really, not really. I do have what I've 366 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: started doing. 367 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: Also, though, I look for books that are coming out 368 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: that I know I'm going to be interested in or 369 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: have come out recently, and I will try to save them. 370 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: For a long plane trip, and it's like, Okay, I know. 371 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: I like last spring when I was flying to Portugal, 372 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: I knew that Dave Barry's memoir was coming out the 373 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: Humor Writer, and I was gonna want to read that, 374 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: so I save that to read on the plane to Portugal, 375 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: and yes, it made the plane ride to Portugal go 376 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: faster than it otherwise would have. So I have a 377 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 2: Mary Roach book that just came out about like replacing 378 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: various body parts or something like that that I'm going 379 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: to read on another long flight that is coming up. 380 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I try to do that. 381 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 3: I like that. I feel like I do end up 382 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: reading a little higher volume in summer. I end up 383 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: being more ambitious with how many I kind of put 384 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: on my to be read list. I tend to buy 385 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: more of them or like be more aggressive about putting 386 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: them on library holds. And I usually read about fifty 387 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: books a year thereabouts. But I feel like it's not 388 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: crazy for me to end up reading like seven to 389 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: eight books a month during the summer specifically. 390 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like i'd how do you have 391 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: more time for reading in the summer, Like, where is 392 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: this reading time occurring? 393 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: Well, I think my kids have fewer evening activities, so 394 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: there's less like driving around and we're like settled early. 395 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 3: It's also our bad weather season and a que on 396 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 3: a weekend afternoon, it's like it's thundering. I want to 397 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: like read in my bed, Like those things go together 398 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: for me versus in January, it's bright sunshine, We're gonna 399 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: go out and do stuff. So I think it's those things. 400 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: I also think I choose. I just tend to put 401 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: more of those like juicy titles that just propel me 402 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: to pick them up, so you read more like In 403 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: the Cracks of Life. And then I also tend to 404 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 3: read a lot on planes and like we're fine Hawaii, 405 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 3: I could read like five books just on flights for 406 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: that trip. 407 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, so yeah, it's a long flight. 408 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: Flights many flights, so. 409 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Many, many, many flights. Yeah. 410 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I've had that problem with like the thirteen point 411 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: five hour flight to Japan and you read your three 412 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: point five hour book and like, guys, I got ten hours. 413 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: Now and my like paper books, but I'm just gonna 414 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 3: bring my backpackfits a lot of but not worried. And 415 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: then I'll like alternate with watching movies or TV or 416 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: something like that. But yeah, summer, Like for me, it 417 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: is a little different, I would say from a reading perspective, 418 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: and I like that, have. 419 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 2: You ever taken a reading retreat? I hear that's like 420 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: the cool thing to do. Now, this is well number one. 421 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: This was the theme of Modern Missus Darcy Summer Reading 422 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: Guy this year was like the idea of a reading retreat. 423 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: I do love the idea of a reading retreat, like 424 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 3: I think people often will do it with like a 425 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: sister or a good friend, where instead of going on 426 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 3: a vacation and planning to like do things, you literally 427 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: like rent a house beautiful somewhere and you read books 428 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: because in our daily lives, many of us don't have 429 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: time to just sit there and read for hours, which 430 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: is again why I kind of like being captive on 431 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 3: a plane flight, like ooh reading time. So no, I 432 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: have not done it, but I kind of am the 433 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 3: type of person who would because I love traveling. But 434 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: a lot of what I often love about traveling is 435 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 3: just like doing everyday activities but with more time, like 436 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: with in a relaxed way versus like, oh I need 437 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: to see everything. Like my philosophy is I'm not going 438 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 3: to see everything any So if I see a couple 439 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: things and just have a really nice, relaxed time, then 440 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: I've met my goals of my vacation. So I would 441 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: not rule out of reading retreat. 442 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 2: What about you, Yeah, I mean, we do tend to 443 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 2: try to do a lot of sight seeing, but I 444 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: find there's always still time. I tend to bring like 445 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: a lot of economists, like we subscribe to the economists, 446 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: and then it tends to stack up since I'm not 447 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: like reading about the political situation and Ethiopia in my 448 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: everyday life. But then you know, on a long plane 449 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: flight or like between you sight see from say like 450 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: nine to three thirty and then you've got dinner at 451 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: six thirty seven, Like, there's a lot of time in there. 452 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: That's great time for reading and relaxing. And I find 453 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: that these things can still go together. So that's one thing. 454 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 3: I do while traveling. Yeah, I like it. Even if 455 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: it's an active trip, there's some time. Everyone's going to 456 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: need rest at some point, so I can embed your 457 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: reading retreat in there. 458 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's take one more quick ad break 459 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: and then we'll be back with a little bit more 460 00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: about summer reading. Well, we are back talking summer reading, 461 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: So Sarah, what about kid reading? 462 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: Are they going to be doing a lot of summer 463 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: reading as well? 464 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 3: I think they will be, actually, at least Genevieve really 465 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: loves to read now, and I plan on just keeping 466 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 3: her very stocked in the fun types of books she 467 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: likes to read. Cameron is really into books. He likes 468 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 3: the Dungeon Crawler Carl series, which has a lot of 469 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: I think he's like, he may be actually close to 470 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: the up to date, but they keep coming out with 471 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: more and they're like phone book sized, so they keep 472 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: him nice and busy. 473 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: And Yeah, I. 474 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: Feel like my kids are like more into reading at 475 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: this age than they have been. Annabelle maybe not as much, 476 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: but she, I don't know. I just got her the 477 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: memoir of Dance Moms and she seemed pretty excited about that. 478 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: I think as long as we have the right books available, 479 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: and as long as we have sometime when screen is 480 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: not an option that's on the table, there will naturally 481 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 3: be reading, like I won't have to even force it. 482 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is actually another one where we're sort 483 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: of assign vertical ownership. 484 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Like I read books at night to Henry or whatever. 485 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: We read stories. 486 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: We have read through some of the Magic Treehouse books 487 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: or Dragonmaster's books. But Michael has been sort of in 488 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: charge of big series readings. 489 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: With the kids. 490 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: So he has read through all of Harry Potter I 491 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: think maybe three times. Like you read it with Jasper 492 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: and Sam together, and then he read it with Ruth, 493 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: and then he read it with Alex, maybe starting with Henry. 494 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive a lot of times, a lot of times. 495 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: But right now they're reading like sideways stories from Waystside School, 496 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: I think. 497 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: But he's also reading through the Hunger Games with Alex. 498 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: I watched one Hunger Games movie and I was like, 499 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: not free, no, no. 500 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: Not well, it's a good thing. 501 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: This is great again that I'm not the movie parent 502 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: and I'm not the Hunger Games reading parent, because I 503 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: have zero interest in reading these stories. 504 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: I know they're great, I know they're. 505 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: Awesome, and I'm sure people love them, but I'm just 506 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: the idea of the whole concept is well, I don't 507 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: want to read about it. 508 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: No. 509 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: I mean I just finished all three seasons of Euphoria, 510 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 3: which is like the most graphically violent, disgusting show, and 511 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 3: I had no problem. Well, I had minor problems with that, 512 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: but like I could not The Hunger Games was a no. 513 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: You could not wait. 514 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so same, but they've been enjoying reading it together 515 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: and so good for that. I tie that into our 516 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: Father's Day content here. But I think this with this 517 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: summer reading, the sort of pivots and kid reading into 518 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: our question. I just wanted to go ahead and go 519 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: into our question, which is a listener writes in, My 520 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: kids have a bunch of summer work, which I would 521 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: assume includes reading assigned books over the summer before they 522 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: start for classes in the next year, and in the past, 523 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: it becomes a stressor for the whole family as the 524 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: end of the summer draws near. 525 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: Do you have any ways to avoid this? So, Sarah, 526 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: what do you think? 527 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, my kids definitely have various amounts of summer work. 528 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: Some of it is sort of like you can't rush. Well, 529 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 3: I guess you could rush through it, but like there's 530 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: a computer program where you're supposed to do a thing 531 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: every day, and there's like twenty eight things, so it 532 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: really suck to leave that till the end of the summer. 533 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: I mean, we tend to just talk to them like 534 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 3: how do you think we should spread this out? When 535 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 3: do you want to do it. The younger the kid is, 536 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 3: the more you might have to be, like, let's just 537 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 3: make doing your little module like what you do after 538 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: camp before you watch TV. But obviously when they get 539 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 3: older and their middle and high schoolers, it's going to 540 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: be more on them. But I still think that at 541 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: least having them vocalize what their plan is, like they 542 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: can come up with it, but to have some kind 543 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 3: of a plan I think will be helpful if there's 544 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: like a nagging situation where you don't want to nag them, 545 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: but you kind of want to know what's happening. One 546 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: thing that I could see one of my kids agreeing 547 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 3: to would be like they like using a whiteboard, so 548 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: putting it up in their room and they check it 549 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 3: off on the whiteboard, and then instead of asking them, 550 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 3: I can look to see what's happening on said whiteboard 551 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 3: versus asking, and then I will just throw out there 552 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: that like, there have been certain projects where we've hired 553 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 3: a tutor because it was going to be relationship ruining 554 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 3: to have me help with said project, and thus far, 555 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 3: I have not yet ever regretted hiring a tutor. So 556 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: there's offering that as an option for the kid can 557 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: be maybe helpful for some kids. 558 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just bought two gigantic books that must be 559 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: read for AP literature apparently Beoof. 560 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. What's that Beowulf? 561 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: What are they reading? 562 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: What is they do? No, it's something different. 563 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: Or maybe it's language and composition because because these were 564 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: nonfiction books, or maybe it's language and composition not literature. 565 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's big stuff got to be annotated and 566 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 2: gotten through. But this is really not my business at 567 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: this point. However, in the past, yes, we have had 568 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: some family stress over some of my older children have 569 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: taken summer courses that were four credit courses for school, right, 570 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: so not just a enrichment where it didn't really matter, 571 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 2: but this is going on your high school transcript, and 572 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 2: so like, it needs to get done in a certain 573 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: amount of time, And we also have other things going 574 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: on in the summer, like camps or trips, and so 575 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: sometimes there's a question of whether it was getting done 576 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: before said camps, since I didn't know how much time 577 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: would be available at said camps for doing this. And 578 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: this may have led to a conversation with one child, 579 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: not naming which child, and I asked if this child 580 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: was mostly done with the course and got the answer 581 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: of yes, And then I checked three days before they 582 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: were going away to camp, and mostly done was forty 583 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: eight percent, And like, that is not mostly done in 584 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: my mind, Sarah, forty eight percent is under half, Like 585 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: doesn't mostly done. 586 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: This child was counting the ramp up to doing it 587 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: as part of the ten ramping up towards done. 588 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 2: Okay, mostly done to me means like a north of 589 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: seventy percent, right, like I. 590 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: At least it wasn't like eight percent because I thought 591 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna say. 592 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: No, well, forty eight percent is better than eight percent. However, 593 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: there was then a moment of reckoning. There were still 594 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: three days before camp. This child was then sitting down 595 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 2: and doing it for big chunks of time every one 596 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: of those three days and got through about like twenty 597 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 2: five percent of the course like in that time. So 598 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: then up to like seventy five percent of it done. 599 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: So then it's okay because there was some time and 600 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: like nights weekends. It was a course that you weren't 601 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: off in the wilderness like you were the camp. 602 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: You were able to do some stuff. 603 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: So it all worked out. Everyone has in fact finished 604 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 2: their summer courses. Ruth is taking one this summer. I 605 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: don't think she's going to be telling me that she's 606 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: mostly done when she has forty eight percent done. 607 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: I think she will probably have like. 608 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: Ninety six percent of it done in the first week 609 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: because she'll want to get through it. So who does 610 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: But we will see different people have different approaches to life. 611 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: Well, Annimill is taking one too, but it's in person 612 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 3: and you have to show up, so like, yeah, I'm 613 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: not going to have this issue. It's going to be 614 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 3: over when it's over. 615 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. That is true. 616 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: So I think yes, checking in frequently to ask the 617 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: percentage is a good ideal with certain children, and setting 618 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: a schedule and sort of at least a little bit 619 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: of time, maybe having a set time where it happens 620 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: each day would be helpful. 621 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. With certain of my kids, all I'd have to 622 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: do is say you have to do finish this amount 623 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: before playing your video games, and it would get done. 624 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how high quality would get done, 625 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: but it would get done. 626 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that brings us to love of the Week. 627 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: So speaking of things that have to happen over time, Sarah, 628 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: what is your love of the week? 629 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: My love of the week. I didn't mean this to 630 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: tie into our orthodontire discussion, but I'm almost done with 631 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: my VISI line. Don't my teeth look good? 632 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: They do look good. 633 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: They look great, So I'm really glad I did it. 634 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: It's been almost a year and a half. Now. My 635 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 3: goal is to be totally done. My best laid plans live. 636 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: I don't. I will be technically done, but then they 637 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: do these like refinements, so I don't know if I'll 638 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: be done with my refinements or not. But I'm pretty 639 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 3: happy with how it all went. 640 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeay, Well that's exciting. It's good when you 641 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: have a smile you are excited to see in the mirror. 642 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: So my love of the week is something that's probably 643 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: not great for my teeth at my coffee that's making 644 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: it to different shades of white than mate one. 645 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: But I hear there are things they can do for that. 646 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: These days, I would say my coffee outside in the morning, 647 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: so especially as we transition out of the school year, 648 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: which when this is airing, this is like our last 649 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: day or second to last day for various kids of school. 650 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: While we have camps, they do not start quite as 651 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: early as the school day starts. I assume that I 652 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: will not start staying up drastically later during the summer, 653 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: which means that I'll probably be up in time to 654 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: have a slightly more slow morning, which means I would 655 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: like to start drinking my first cup of coffee outside. Like, 656 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: go sit on the porch, enjoy the pleasant summer morning atmosphere, 657 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: listen to the birds, have my coffee, then deal with 658 00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: the day. 659 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: Y I'd have to put bugs brew on to do that, 660 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be willing to, but it sounds lovely. 661 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we have bugs too. I don't know, maybe 662 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: they're just less and I'll probably be wearing like in 663 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: the morning. Sometimes you even needle fleas right around here, 664 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: like if it's gonna be sixty five degrees or so, 665 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: so I'm mostly covered. 666 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: That sounds delightful. I'm happy for you, okay. 667 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: I love that for you. 668 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: Well, I love your invisile line for you, Sarah, I 669 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: have zero interest in doing invisile line. 670 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: My teeth are just gonna have to be the way 671 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: they are. 672 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: Your teeth are great My teeth are awesome, amazing. They 673 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: do what they're supposed to do. 674 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: They chew. I like that. All right, Well, this has 675 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: been best of both worlds. 676 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: We've been talking Father's Day, we have been talking summer reading. 677 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: We've been talking kid summer work and getting yourself through that. 678 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: We will be back next week with more on making 679 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: work and life fit together. 680 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 681 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram. 682 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: And you can find me at Laura vandercam dot com. 683 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 684 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: join us next time for more on making work and 685 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: life work together.