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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Player's Lounge,

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star.

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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, and NEWI Scrugs. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Players loungebot to you by Hotels dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I'm the we scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter, joined by two

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Speaker 1: former Dallas Cowboys players, Barry Church and Danny McCray. We

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Speaker 1: get their thoughts and views on the NFL from a

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Speaker 1: player's perspective. All right, gentlemen, I see one of your

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Speaker 1: former teammates guy fired today in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: That would be former Dallas Cowboys alignement and offensive line

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Speaker 1: coach Mark Columbo. So, gentlemen, my first thought when I

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Speaker 1: saw this report from ESPN. They said he got into

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Speaker 1: a verbal altercation with the head coach, Joe Judge, because

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Speaker 1: Joe Judge decided he was gonna bring in a consultant

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Speaker 1: and Colombo didn't take too kindly to it, like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: this guy's over here, you know, stepping on my territory.

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Speaker 1: And I immediately thought of that old day Chappelle's kit

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Speaker 1: that I absolutely loved when keeping it real goals roll man,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what many Joe better been bobbing and

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Speaker 1: weaving out there, because look, Colombo's a big dude. Man.

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Speaker 1: He bought six eight two eighty something, so hopefully Joe

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Speaker 1: Judge was out there bobbing and weaving. But for real, man,

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Speaker 1: how how much lack of respect you gotta have for

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Speaker 1: your head coach? I mean, look, this is the guy

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Speaker 1: damn all that, let me go ahead and serve you

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Speaker 1: up a couple of these knuckles sandwiches. Man like this

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Speaker 1: is this is beyond seeing anything like this. But I mean, Colombo,

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Speaker 1: he was always a fiery guy. Even when we played

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Speaker 1: of time before he left. He was always fiery. He

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Speaker 1: was always getting after the scout team. So for me, man,

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Speaker 1: this isn't a surprise, but man, it is hilarious. So

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Speaker 1: so you said Colombo put his hands on Joe Judge.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't verbal, was it physical? We can't hear me crag.

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Speaker 1: Was it was it was verbal? God? Was it verbal?

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Speaker 1: Or was it physical? Man? Internet boo boo? That's yalloo?

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well, so let's go ahead. We could

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Speaker 1: go ahead and run down lsu this he says. Was

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Speaker 1: it verbal or absolutely not? Oh he's bad. I knew that.

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Speaker 1: I knew that one getting. I knew that. I knew

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Speaker 1: that he was working my brother some lsull. First of all.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I knew some hate was coming. I

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Speaker 1: just want to know was it verbal or physical that

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Speaker 1: Columbo put hands on Joe Judge or was it or

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Speaker 1: was it just a verbal altercation? I'm saying he put

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Speaker 1: I'm saying he put hands on it. Goodness, Okay, listen, yeah, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's something serious right there. But if you get fired

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Speaker 1: over just a little verbal thing, it must have been

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Speaker 1: some some real verbal assault for you to go fire

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Speaker 1: the guy. Uh, you know, I guess over him being

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Speaker 1: you should be mad enough to put up what he

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Speaker 1: to work. So it had to be something that was

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Speaker 1: really outrageous that Columbo was saying the doing to Judge

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Speaker 1: having his back. It had to be something that was

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Speaker 1: really really out of hand. Good. Now a street the

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Speaker 1: streets are saying JG put him on it. They say, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: hey mccullumbuggo head and handled this work for me real quick.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, think he set him up. Hey man, you

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Speaker 1: should go talk to him. You should go talk to him.

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Speaker 1: And he trying to bring somebody here to run your thing.

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Speaker 1: You gotta look out, man, I'd say something. If FO

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Speaker 1: were you, It's like like, um, you guys weren't here

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Speaker 1: for that that time. That to got Roy Williams and

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Speaker 1: I'm just I just found I just found it absolutely funny.

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Speaker 1: me because your players. This is an industry where guys

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand why Colombo was so solty.

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Speaker 1: drafted guy in the first round he's right behind you.

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Speaker 1: He's your backup. And as you know, as the weeks

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Speaker 1: In the walk throughs, they're telling them, hey, just stand

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it, doing something like this. Columbo woke up

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Speaker 1: And then Columbo went to go talk to Judge and

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Speaker 1: it didn't go as Judge expected because he forgot to

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Speaker 1: it's more to it and we're gonna get it. Anonymous

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Speaker 1: gonna lace us up. I'm sure they're gonna let us know.

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Speaker 1: I can listen. I vibe with Colombo. Look, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: ahead and tell the do how I feel. Hey, dude,

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Speaker 1: you gotta do man, Colombo got enough bread to go

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Speaker 1: The more important question, who do y'all think? One? Who

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Speaker 1: Who who got the better of situation? This dude want

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Speaker 1: to see a fight and nobody okay, So so since

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say Colombo gave him the

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Speaker 1: went I don't think it went far because Columbo's kind

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Speaker 1: And it's true. I'm gonna go I'm going against nose dumbers,

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Speaker 1: So anything that you say, I'm gona saying it was opposite.

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Speaker 1: somebody had to hype him up. I'm not saying it

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Speaker 1: information over there. All right. You brought the physical altercation

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Speaker 1: and now you're talking about you know, he wented it

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Speaker 1: just I'm just put trying to put the facts together.

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Speaker 1: And you know, in the streets, the streets, they tell

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Speaker 1: turning back together. That's it turned on a little and

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about nostre dumbers. He was able to

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Speaker 1: see it with his powers. But really we know that

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Speaker 1: he came some inside and source. It's all good. Man

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Speaker 1: was buried. If you if you watched the Boondocks cartoon

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Speaker 1: always okay, So remember the episode when Tom and Sarah

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Speaker 1: meant usher and then oh yeah, sits down at the table.

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Speaker 1: happened to me? Oh yeah, that's what happened. Somebody with

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Speaker 1: the Colombo that what happened to me? Walked on off

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Speaker 1: and then here Colombo went up in there. Hey Joe, Joe, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'm not about this man, What's what's up? With this man,

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Speaker 1: off from me, you know who? Then he bowled up

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Speaker 1: on it. Yeah it was man. Yeah, man, somebody walked by.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't. I hope columb gonna land

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Speaker 1: on the steat Man. We over landing, man, he got fired.

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Speaker 1: I hope he landed on the steat. Bro. You know,

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Speaker 1: You're not asked to take on those pulling guards and

425
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: pulling tackles as much as a middle linebacker. So for me.

426
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: I think they got the positions right. These two just

427
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: got to play better. Yeah, And with that being said,

428
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 1: With that being said, listen, I'll just go back to this.

429
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith be rushing off the edge, he should be.

430
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: He should be doing some things that that maximizes his

431
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: athletic ability to get back there, you know, and reac

432
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: havoc on the quarterback and called some confusion. Not just

433
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: sit back there, you know and play the run and

434
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: red gaps. He should be doing some stuff, not Jamal

435
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: Adams because he played safety, but they should be doing

436
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: some creative stuff like how they used Jamal Adams blizzening

437
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: off the edge, blissing up the middle, plucking your hand

438
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: down sometimes. They should be using him all over the place.

439
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 1: I think this is a similar case to real quick.

440
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: I think this is a similar case to Byron Jones.

441
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: All right, So when Byron Jones came in, they put

442
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: him at safety. And Barron Jones is a smart guy.

443
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: But as a rookie playing at safety, you have to

444
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: make checks here, you have to make checks there. You

445
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: have to be you have to be cognisant of the

446
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: whole defense as a whole. And I think he struggled

447
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: with that, but when they moved him to corner, they said, look, specifically,

448
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: you do this, you guard that man, or you were

449
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: in cover three, and he flourished at that. And I

450
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: think we need to do the same type of thing

451
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: with Jalen, like Danny was saying earlier. Put him in

452
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: a position to where he doesn't have to think too much.

453
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to make checks or get people lined

454
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 1: up in the right gaps, or if somebody else messages up,

455
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: he has to cover up for that person. I think

456
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: you got to put him in a specific job and

457
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: say either ay, you rush the pastor or you cover

458
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: this guy, or you dropped back in this position. I

459
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: don't think he needs to be the quarterback of the defense.

460
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: I think that's just slowing them down a little bit. Okay,

461
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: so so here's my next question, just listening to you guys,

462
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: would it be best to put both guys on the

463
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: outside and then either draft or free agency go sign

464
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: someone else and put them in the middle. But then

465
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: somebody would have to play the middle when you went

466
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: to a nickel package, like somebody would have to be

467
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: that mid middle linebacker. Anyways, Yeah, so what you don't need,

468
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: what you don't need on your team are three Pro

469
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: Bowl base linebackers. That is not what you need on

470
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: your team. Like a lot of teams are coming out here,

471
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: they run an eleven persons. They're almost the entire game,

472
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: some running empty. So a lot of times you see

473
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 1: that third linebacker that's playing in the base he probably

474
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: gets fifteen to twenty snaps the game. He doesn't even

475
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: play the whole game. So I don't think you need

476
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: to invest in another guy just to put in the

477
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: middle if you're still gonna have Jalen and Vander's playing

478
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: on the outside. The y'all killers, though, this could be

479
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: something that could like this could just be an off

480
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: year for them. Do you think that they can bounce

481
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: back from them or do you think they need a

482
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: whole new system just to get these guys. Second of

483
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: that is true, they haven't looked the same since that

484
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: since they played against the Rams in the playoffs. I

485
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: would I would look to the next defensive coordinator and

486
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: ask him, and that's what they should do in the

487
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: interview process. Hey, here two guys that turned in Pro

488
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: Bowl years. Here are two guys that used to look like, Hey,

489
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: they were going to be you know, key players for

490
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: our franchise defensively number one. Check out the take. Can

491
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: they get back to that or do we need to

492
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: make a move. Um, that's what I would do, as

493
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: far as you know, interview with the new defensive coordinator

494
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty one, and then I'd also ask this

495
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: simple question here, guys, do we see the Jones family

496
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: admitting a mistake with Jalen Smith and running him after

497
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: this season? They don't. They rarely pooled the plug on

498
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: guys like that. You know, that's just kind of going

499
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: and looking at the history they give guys deals. They

500
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: rarely pull the plug this early. So anyway, mccraig, I

501
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: listen from from person from personal experience. Now, they asked

502
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: you to take a pay cut, all right, So it's

503
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: not it's not it's not necessarily them, you know, saying, uh,

504
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna release you. But they asked you

505
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut and get and give you

506
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: that option, you know, to leave on your own and

507
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: then say, hey, we gave an option. We really loved him,

508
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: but it was best for him to go and in

509
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: his own direction. It was his choice. But that pay

510
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: cut thing is always on the table for the joneses,

511
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: m M, so so let me so, let's stay stay

512
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 1: with this, Danny. So when they come to you for

513
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: the pay cut, the first do they call you? Do

514
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: they bring you into a room? Is it over the phone?

515
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Let me take me through how this works. Man, Listen.

516
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how it happens for everybody else, but

517
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: I know for me, it was one of those things where,

518
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, I went off to Chicago the next year

519
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: because I felt so so played by it. They I

520
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: had pulled my hamstring in the last preseason game, so

521
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be able to play the first game

522
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: and I was on the tender And right after the

523
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: last preseason game, they called me in the office and

524
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: my agent called me like five minutes before that. He

525
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: was like, I think they about to ask you to

526
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. And I was like, I mean

527
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: all right, well, I mean I got five minutes. So

528
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: they called me back in the office and he broke

529
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: it down to me, Hey, we're gonna need you to

530
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And I was like, well,

531
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: do I have a second to like talk about it,

532
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, called my agent back whatever. He was like, yeah,

533
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: I could lead a room and when I come back again,

534
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: you know, we need you to have a decision. I

535
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: was like, all right, So I called a few people,

536
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: and you know, with me being hurt and having a

537
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: hamstring injury, uh you know, I pretty much had no

538
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: choice but to take that. So that that was my

539
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: experience with it. I don't know how it is for

540
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: those for the bigger players that had a bigger contract

541
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: that they may be worried about keeping a little bit more.

542
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Who was he? Who was he? He said it was

543
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: his name? Who's his name is Adam? I don't know

544
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: his last name, but his name is Adam. You might

545
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: see him holding the change. He's a bigger guy. He's

546
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: on the sideline usually you know his last name Church Now,

547
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just called him the money gag

548
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: because that was the money man. He always had come

549
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: to the top contracts and stuff. So, okay, so it

550
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: was his name was Adam. To be honest, no, no,

551
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: at your Adam ASSISI no, one't the Joneses. It was Adam. Okay,

552
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: so I thought it was. It wasn't a grim reaver nat.

553
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: Now I find it this fascinating. So you take the

554
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: pay cut, the next time you see the Joneses or

555
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: a coach, what what what happens? How are you feeling?

556
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: Anybody say anything? And what happened after that? Did they

557
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: act like nothing ever happened? Listen, my coaches act like

558
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: they had no idea what's going on? So I, you know,

559
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was pissed off of it for

560
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the year and I got up out

561
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: of that right after that. So I took it personal.

562
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: And I took it personal mainly because, like you said,

563
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: I had been around those coaches for three or four years.

564
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: I was like, Bro, you couldn't come pat me on

565
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: the back, you know, say what's up? Hey man? You

566
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: know I understand, but this is how we're gonna get

567
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: this fix or nothing. They just act like, you know,

568
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: I act like it was no big deal. So I

569
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: think my stuff got the little out of it. Do

570
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: you think that you think the coaches wouldn't know they

571
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: would tell the coaches about the decision like that, Well,

572
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: well it was in the paper. After it was in

573
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: the paper. After that, it was everybody know what I'm saying. Yeah,

574
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: they would have known. They would have known. Yeah, no,

575
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: they they knew because also, you had to tell the coaches,

576
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: they look, we're gonna ask mc cray to take a cut,

577
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: and if he doesn't, you know, what's the next plane,

578
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: you know. So so everybody, you know, you know somebody

579
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: was in on it. So definitely somebody was in on.

580
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola had a great line that he said many

581
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: years ago when I used to have him on one

582
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: or five through the Fan. He said, guys will take

583
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: a pay cut, but they won't take a pay cut

584
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: for you. And this was about that time when Andre

585
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Girard had to take the pay cut. Andre is like, nah,

586
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: I ain't taking that pay cut. He took a pay cut,

587
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: but he went to Baltimore. But so so you're kind

588
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: of one of those rarities, mccraig, where you took the

589
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: pay cut and stayed with the cowboys, and most guys

590
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: didn't hit that pay cut. They're like, nah, man, I

591
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do it here. I had nowhere to go.

592
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: I was injured, but believe me, I made the phone call.

593
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I made the phone call. I won't get a hurt

594
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: for it now. I made the phone call that obviously

595
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: was out there, but I was injured, so nobody could

596
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: help me at that point. I remember, I remember that.

597
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: After that, your whole mood change. You was like, I

598
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: am strictly special teams. They was like, come on, we

599
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: get some reps as safe. Danny like, nope, I am

600
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: special teams my days when his kickoffs done, and listen, listen, listen.

601
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: You know what why why were yaller? Let me let

602
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: me go in too? Because I never got to get

603
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: this off my chest Church. If you remember I was playing,

604
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: I was playing. I was a special teams guy already,

605
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: and then everybody started getting hurt. And then usually when

606
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: when when that happens and they moved somebody up to

607
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: play safety, they usually take them off special teams. That

608
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: let them focus a little bit more on safety. They

609
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: had me running down there on kickoff at the five.

610
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: I was playing gunner on the on the punt team,

611
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: still on kickoff return, and then going out there and

612
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan defense covering tight ends and certain package started

613
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: at safety. And when I told Jerome Henderson, I was like, hey, man,

614
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: look I'm gassed, and you know this is gonna affect

615
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: my play. He was like, look, look man, I just

616
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: need you to get some rest during the week. It's

617
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: nothing I could do about it. I was like, what

618
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: are you serious? So so that that whole thing transpires

619
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you know, I ended up I played.

620
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, however I played, I ended up losing the

621
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: starting job. So I thought that was over. I was like, yes,

622
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm backing on special teams. And you know, the next

623
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: year came and they asked me to take that pay cut.

624
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: So I was upset for two years. To be honest,

625
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: that's that's why I had to get up out of it

626
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: it and they give my mind, right, it's just to me.

627
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: It was to me, it was baffling that they waited

628
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: for so long, like they waited right until the last

629
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: Like wasn't it like a day or two before the

630
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: regular or something like that. It was it was. It

631
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: was the day of final cuts. It was a day

632
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: of final cut. So I didn't have any option. It

633
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: was like you got, you got thirty minutes. It was

634
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: like right right before that deadline was there, and he

635
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: made me sit in that room where I was upset,

636
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Speaker 1: but I knew the day opinion me in the whole.

637
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Speaker 1: I had no choice. So let me ask this. Since

638
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: you're here and you opening up the cannib were talking,

639
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: was there any part of you. After you said you

640
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: take the pay cut that you wished you went ahead

641
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: and got released, so you could have gone somewhere else.

642
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: Uh nah, man, you know, money on the table's money

643
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: on the table. When I was I always enjoyed the

644
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: fact that I was in Dallas and I was close

645
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Speaker 1: enough to my mom and my family that they could

646
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: all drive up like it was. Everything was convenient for

647
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: me in Dallas. So I didn't regret taking a pay cut.

648
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: I just regretted how how it happened, right because I

649
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: had a feeling how I felt about the Cowboys an

650
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: organization before that, and then that whole process happened, and

651
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: it was like how I thought they felt about me,

652
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: they actually didn't, especially because nobody actually came and said

653
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: nothing after that. It just it was a shocking surprise,

654
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: and I didn't hear nothing from pretty much anybody after that.

655
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, when I was, when

656
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I was about when I was about to leave the

657
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: next year though, to go to Chicago, I got all

658
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: the phone calls then, yeah, we really want you to

659
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: do this, really this, and that that I was like,

660
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I'm on my way. I'm on my

661
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: way to oldhair right now, buddy. See, let's see y'all.

662
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: See y'all next time, y'all because y'all y'all have to

663
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: me the phone then, So okay, So who calls you

664
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: at that point in time, it was trying to make

665
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: it right. Who was on the phone? Who who it

666
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: calls you? Yeah, man, look at it. It was j

667
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: G called me. Joe Baker called me. The one person

668
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: that kept it real with me was Jerome Henderson. He

669
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: was like, look, I know that I know that you're

670
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: gonna get some money out there in Chicago, so I

671
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: want you to go out there and prove all of

672
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: us wrong. I know what happened to you here was bad,

673
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm really not gonna try to convince

674
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: you to stay. And I was like, appreciate it, bro.

675
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: And then when I went to Chicago and I ended

676
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: up getting the starting job there for a little bit,

677
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: he he was the first person to call me a

678
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: congratulate be on that. So I got love for Jerome

679
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Henderson as well. Jerome always did keep it real, man.

680
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: He always did keep it real. Oh all right, let's

681
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: take a break, man. I mean, that's why we do

682
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Speaker 1: this show man. That that is That is why we

683
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Speaker 1: do this show. That is why we do this show

684
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: because that's pretty eye opening. And look, you know, I've

685
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: I've gone through the whole pay cut thing too, in

686
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: my whole in my experience. Now it's nothing like yours.

687
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: But but I know, I know high speels. When you

688
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: you stepped back in that building, you know you ain't

689
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: trying to smile, and nobody ain't trying to say hid

690
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: anybody just go do what I do. So I understand,

691
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Speaker 1: I understand. Okay, um, when we get back, um, something

692
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Speaker 1: that I know is gonna make Barry Church say, wow,

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Speaker 1: those young men as they fulfill a lifelong dreams gonna

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741
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Speaker 1: not gonna be able to see guys do what they've

742
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Speaker 1: done in the past. And I love these these NBA

743
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: opt outs because guys right now have a good bird

744
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Speaker 1: in the hand if they want and with the way

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Speaker 1: there free agency, but there's no telling what you may get. Barry,

747
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: You'll love to understand the excruciating dilemma for one Gordon

748
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Hayward the Boston Celtics. He has an AKKA. It is

749
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: four thirty four million dollars. He's not sure what he

750
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: wants to do, and they told him you didn't have

751
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: to decide Tuesday. They pushed it out to Thursday, so

752
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: he's got one more day to decide if he wants

753
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: a guaranteed thirty four million dollars to play for the Celtics.

754
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: If he plays for the Celtics this year, he's not

755
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: going to be He's gonna be a role player. He's

756
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a role player. So he's got this tough

757
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: decision to decide. Does he want the burden the hand

758
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: of thirty four million dollars, but does he want to

759
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: go out of the free agent market. What would you do? Man?

760
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: What is the indecision here? What is Gordon Hayward thinking? Like, Look,

761
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: it ain't like Gordon Hayward is lightening up the stat

762
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: sheet or anything like that. It ain't like he's a

763
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: perennial All Star or anything like that. Since just gruesome injury.

764
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: But what are you thinking? Thirty four million dollars fully

765
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: guaranteed as soon as you sign on the dotted line,

766
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: and it's the easiest money you'll ever made because you're

767
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: not even going You're not even gonna be a starter.

768
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a guy coming off the bench, maybe

769
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: playing twelve fifteen minutes a night, and you're making thirty

770
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: four million dollars. There's no indecision about this. It's signed

771
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: me up. I'll take his spot, we can switch spots,

772
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: he can come on the players lound. I'll go ahead

773
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: and get the twenty jersey and play for Boston. I mean,

774
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: this is this is ridiculous. I don't the man, Well,

775
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna piggyback out that for you new Church Church

776
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: to do it. Goodness, I thought dude is gonna bring

777
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: this up yesterday because he put it in a Twitter

778
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: group chat. So James already gonna pass fifty two a

779
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: year in Houston, so you can go to Brooklyn. What

780
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: type of sister that made these guys fifty two million

781
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: dollars a year to do? Fast it up? Yeah? So

782
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: he could have been the NBA's first fifty million dollars

783
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: year play. Here was the thing I truly didn't get

784
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: in this whole I want to go play for the

785
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets demand that James has right now, we all

786
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: know there's no state taxes here living in Texas. You're

787
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: going up to New York to play. Guess what brother

788
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: you are about? You about to jump up fourteen percent?

789
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's crazy that. But I'll also and one

790
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: reason why I didn't bring it up, Danny, We've seen

791
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of these guys turned down more money because

792
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: they don't want to be someplace New Orleans had offered,

793
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis the max. They offered him a great

794
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: boatload of money, but he said, no, I don't want it.

795
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: I'll go play for the Lakers. And so he just

796
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: opted out, turned down the twenty seven million dollars and

797
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: so he's about to sign, you know, a big, mega

798
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: deal with the Lakers, and he got we won a

799
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: world championship, So it worked out for him. But this

800
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: starts to become really, hey, how comfortable am I? And

801
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: how much money do I want to leave on the

802
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: table to win? Now? To me, I look at Anthony

803
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Davis and this is what I was told by my

804
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: buddy Mark Experience of ESPN that Anthony lived in LA

805
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: in the offseason and this is where he wanted to

806
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: be anyway, So this was for him about getting to

807
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: a spot, leaving New Orleans and get into a spot

808
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: where he wanted to be. And oh, by the way,

809
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: he'll play with Lebron James. I don't know if i'd

810
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: be what didn't it gonna play with Kyrie Urp. I

811
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing that. Well, I would not be doing that. Man,

812
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: Well let's let's do this. So so just I don't

813
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: know how true this is, but I know I've been

814
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: reading that one of the issues for James Harden and

815
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook and a lot of other guys for the

816
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: Rockets with some political issues for you know who, Tilman

817
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: for Tido was supporting. So all those guys are kind

818
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: of revolting and trying to get up out of there,

819
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: and then James Harden, I don't know, man, you know

820
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: how comfortable you can be. But I know the dude,

821
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred million dollars from Adidas, so he

822
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: might be already passing up that fifty two because he

823
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: know he's gonna make a boatload of money in the

824
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: New York market as well. Fifty mill thole. I understand,

825
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: he's getting that bread. Like you said, he got Adidas,

826
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: he got all those contracts, he went in Oklahoma City

827
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: all those times. But fifty mile passing that up and

828
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: then you're gonna go play with KD and Kyrie, who

829
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: all dominant guys. It's not up there. Let's say this

830
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: that the fifty two is not for next year. It's

831
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: an extension, so he still has I think a year

832
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: or two on his current deal and then he'll make

833
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: fifty two after that. So I'm sure if he goes

834
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn, he's still gonna make a boatload of money.

835
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: And you know, they say New York is a marketing

836
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 1: capital capital of the world, so he's gonna he's gonna

837
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: get some more deals and the money are probably even

838
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: out somehow. The only thing he's saving is those state taxes.

839
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: But he's been to it. He's been close as he

840
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 1: can in Houston. So you know, go take your shot

841
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: and go try to get your championship. What do y'all

842
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: think about this? Like, what do y'all think about all

843
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: these guys like grouping up together? Like now it's Katie

844
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: Kyrie and maybe Kevin or Hardened? Like, I mean, what

845
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: y'all thought? What are your thoughts on that? I like it? Yes,

846
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: I have no issues with it. I have no issues

847
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: with it. Here's the thing. What you and your organization

848
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: need to do is create a culture and a climate

849
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: that people want to come to it. I mean, that's

850
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: what you have to do. And I give Milwaukee a

851
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: lot of credit with what have we seen this week.

852
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: Milwaukee said, you know, look, we're gonna make this atmosphere

853
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: great for Jannis and we want him to stay. I remember,

854
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: and you guys were young, but when I was growing up, man,

855
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: that's what they did in San Francisco, Bill Walsh and

856
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: Eddie de Barlowe Junior. They made the forty nine ers

857
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: a place where guys wanted to come, and they were

858
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: taking less money to go get there. And when Jerry

859
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: Jones bought the Cowboys and he and Jimmy John's helped

860
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: making the team of the nineties. It was an atmosphere

861
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: the dudes wanted to come to. That's how you get

862
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: a Dion Sanders here because they want to come play

863
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: in this kind of atmosphere. So to me, now, if

864
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: you're running an NBA franchise where you have one player

865
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: who can change the fortunes of the whole organization, you've

866
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: got to make sure that you are trying to make

867
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: that player happy, but also have a situation where other

868
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: guys want to come play there, and hopefully you can

869
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: get them to come and play for a little bit

870
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: less cash. Pat Riley has been able to do that

871
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: in Miami Houston, and I want to make sure I

872
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: give Houston credit. They've done everything they could and they

873
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: built that whole thing around James Harden. And something that

874
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: you said, Danny was Rick Bucher, who was on with

875
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: my boys couple, Chris Bossard and Rob Parker. That's where

876
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: that report came from. That there were several Houston Rockets

877
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: who weren't happy that Tilmo and Ftida, in their opinion,

878
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: was too close to Donald Trump and the day all

879
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: wanted to go. Let me tell you what. I don't

880
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: buy that, because these guys ultimately all want you make money. Okay,

881
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: you can sit. I mean, and most of these NFL

882
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: owners are affiliated. You can just go look it up.

883
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: You can find out who your owner is affiliated with.

884
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: From a political standpoint, all right, Tilman Fritida were the

885
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: only owner in professional sports giving money and supporting Donald Trump.

886
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: But I thought it's a difference. It's a difference between

887
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: supporting the Republican Party and then being being very close

888
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump. You know, just to be fair with

889
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. It's it's it's a huge difference, right.

890
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: But but at the same time too, Look, you know

891
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of NFL owners who gave money to

892
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: President Trump and his inaugurations. It's a whole bunch of owners.

893
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he saw Woody Johnson of the New York

894
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: Jets go work for the Trump administration. Um so. But

895
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: but ultimately, but I don't think. I don't and this

896
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: is just me, Danny. I don't think and I don't

897
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: believe that this is what Houston Rockets players are motivated by.

898
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: The saying get me out of here or I don't

899
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: want to be here because of that. These guys want

900
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: their money and they want to be in a situation

901
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: that they like. I just don't believe that. I just

902
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: have And I'm the dude who used to cover the

903
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: Clippers when we knew all about Donald Sterling, way before

904
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: that Magic Johnson take got out there, that v Staviana play.

905
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: I mean that stuff was known about Donald Sterling and

906
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: dudes came out there. When Chris Paul was traded to

907
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: LA he was asked about it and Chris said, I

908
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: don't get into all that. I just played. I was like,

909
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: all right, dude, do you want to be blind and

910
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: to it? That's fun. But these dudes just came out

911
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: a situation their money. You think about this, we already

912
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: we already explained that NBA and NBA players NFL players

913
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: are different as far as how much power they have

914
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: and what they're willing to do. And they take exactly

915
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: what you said. These dudes one thing money. James Harden

916
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: is running from fifty two million a year to get

917
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: away from Houston. Russell Westbrook has money on his contract

918
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: and he's still trying to get up out of there.

919
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: So they getting their money they got money there from

920
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: Houston and they're trying to go to opposite way of it.

921
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think this is the only reason

922
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: that they saying we need to get up out of here.

923
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: But when you start listing stuff on there, I'm sure

924
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: that they can throw that there. Some of them throw

925
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: it out there and say, yeah, also you know X,

926
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: y Z and this is that, so that this, this

927
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: is why I want to leave. But I don't think

928
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: it's the main reason. But whether they smoke there's fire,

929
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure they heard something something about it up there.

930
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it's in the top three though, I

931
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: really don't. I don't think no, no, no, no, no no.

932
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's in the top three. I give

933
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: a top five. You know. First off, it's it's it's me.

934
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: He's always the number one thing. When I look at

935
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: these NBA guys and guys who are moving, everything revolves

936
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: around me. What's best for me? And what are we

937
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: seeing for Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook realized, guess what, I

938
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: need the ball. I like, I like James, James is

939
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: my boy, But I need the ball. He has the ball.

940
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: I want to be gone, you know, Kyrie Irving, you

941
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: played with Lebron James. Lebron James, you play with Lebron,

942
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: you just walk into the finals. Lebron now here getting

943
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: bums rings, and Kyrie like, nah, I need to be

944
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: the man. I need my franchise. I don't care about him.

945
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are built different. I mean they

946
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: think that's amazing. The fun thing about covering these the

947
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: two sports for me is NBA guys are just different dudes. Man,

948
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: I do want to hear nothing about Kyrie. Kyrie and

949
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 1: his decision making. He was running around head telling people

950
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: that the Earth was flat a few months ago, so

951
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to hear nothing about Kyrie

952
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: talking nothing about those decisions or none of that. Kyrie, right,

953
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: weird guy, the earth is flat. I used to tell

954
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: my boys in Boston because I used to do NBC

955
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: Sports Radio, I bring the guys on from Boston and

956
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: I would always I mean, they was like, man, why

957
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: do you hate Kyrie? Man? What did he do to you?

958
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: That I used to tell? Was like, you don't want

959
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: this dude. This dude is different. It's something. And then

960
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: sure enough, man, Kyrie up to got out of Boston.

961
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: And they were like, you were right. That's like I

962
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: told you, I was right. You thought I was just

963
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: taking down because he was part of that was because

964
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: he was a dukie. But this, this dude ain't right.

965
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: When you decide that you don't want to play Lebron

966
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: and you running down Lebron James, there's something wrong with you. Man,

967
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: It's just something wrong with you. He's just a different dude.

968
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: He gonna come out to Steve Nash is a coach,

969
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: and he like, well, we're all kind of the coach, Like, no,

970
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: you ain't all. Stevens is the coach. Then he gonna

971
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: sit up. K Katie's the first guy ever played with

972
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: who I know can make that shot. You know, I

973
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: never played with a guy who could be that guy

974
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: to make a shot. He didn't play Lebron. James won

975
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: a championship. Like this dude is different. You should run

976
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: from Kyrie. So if I'm the NETS, I make the

977
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: James Harten deal and I tell him take Kyrie, Please

978
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: take Kyrie. Blow up the franchise. Man, Yo, listens getting long, man,

979
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: your listens getting long? Kyrie? It's what Leon Sanders, No, no, no, Columbo.

980
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: Colombo's on there. Colombo's I don't I like Prime. Prime

981
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: don't like me. That's what toy on that Prime promise.

982
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: Not like me, but Colombo. I think what Colombo was

983
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: Colombo tried to keep other guys from talking. Okay, So

984
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: if I go in the locker room, all right, I

985
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: want to talk to to Tyrn Smith or Andre Gerard

986
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: and if no, we can't talk, well I can't talk.

987
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: Talk Colombo don't want to talk. I'm like, man, why

988
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: whore Colombo? You go sit around here to tell people

989
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: they can and can't tell me? Who are you? You You

990
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: ain't nobody's daddy, he said, were telling people what they

991
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: can't talk. I mean, dude, I get it. Does stop

992
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: the same thing man, and y'all see what happens. You

993
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: should really be questioning to dude, who told you they

994
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: can't talk? They can't they can't talk because Colombo said

995
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: so you should be questioning in those guys. Those are

996
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: the ones who need to be questioned that. That is

997
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: another conversation. The old line, I guess has some kind

998
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: of fine system or something. But anyway, they were trying

999
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: to do what the Broncos did back in the nineties,

1000
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: where their guys didn't talk, but yeah, no, when Colombo

1001
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: was out there trying to do that kind of thing.

1002
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: And then then as soon as my last thing on Colombo.

1003
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: So it was during the lockout and guys who are

1004
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: working over at Dragon Stadium, South La and Colombo was there.

1005
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: So the media shows up to talk to guys and

1006
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: Colombo goes over there telling the telling the media we're

1007
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: not talking. And it's at this point time everybody knows

1008
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: this dude is getting cut. But why are you talking?

1009
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: Nobody's here to see you, nobody here to talk to you,

1010
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: and you ain't gonna be here. Why are you telling

1011
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: somebody to say no? It was just and then so

1012
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: nobody talked, and I'm like, you know, wit didn't want

1013
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: to Nobody wanted to talk because they would have scared

1014
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: him with Mark Colombo's gonna say like who made he representative?

1015
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: So and then that they need in the locker room

1016
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 1: right now. They need a Colombo now right now? What Okay,

1017
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: I'd seen No, I didn't see no championships being one

1018
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: when Mark Colombo was here, Anonymous, you ain't seen no

1019
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: championship being one and twenty? What are you talking about? So?

1020
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: I and this is this is how Jerry, and this

1021
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: is how Jerry plays us in the media. So we

1022
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: show up for the press commence, the Daily Pressor, and

1023
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: Jerry has it. Jerry's gonna talk like, okay, well we

1024
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: need to show u because Jerry's gonna be here. So

1025
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: before the presser starts with the coach, Jerry has a

1026
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: retirement thing for Colombo right there. So Jerry and ied

1027
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: Columbo tries a cowboy and it was one of those

1028
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: things where had we known in the media that he

1029
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: was gonna do that, we wouldn't have showed up. We

1030
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: would not have shown It's like, oh, you didn't want

1031
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: to We wasn't gonna show up because they've done that before,

1032
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: all right, So they did that one time. The Texas

1033
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: Rangers have retired. They had a y'all, they had a

1034
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame presser for John Wetland. So he was

1035
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: going to Texas Rangers Hall of Fame that John Wetland

1036
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: was notorious for. He hated the media, he didn't like us,

1037
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: so his pressure was at one o'clock, nobody showed. It's like,

1038
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: now we ain't going you don't want to talk to nobody.

1039
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Anybody gonna talk to you now, So it's like nah, nah, nope, nope, nope, nope.

1040
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: But he did that, so Colombo was there. You know what,

1041
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: I'd have used any of it that night. It's like,

1042
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: I ain't putting none of this on. I ain't putting that,

1043
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: putting nothing come up over and tiring on, like I

1044
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: ain't using the cinder. But this guy didn't want to

1045
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: talk to us. He didn't want he didn't want to

1046
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: take care of the media. We ain't take care of you.

1047
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: So it was just like he just vanished in the night.

1048
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: I ain't mentioned it. We just went on the Cowboy

1049
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: business Man. And that's how that's that was how Jerry

1050
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: got a story because he knows well you were in

1051
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: the show. He had Rich dal Rupper knows we would

1052
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: not have shown up had they told us it was

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Speaker 1: gonna be about him. So it happened. They go through

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing to day. Man. That was good stuff. Man,

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Speaker 1: that was good stuff. Oh yeah, I got you, bro,

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Speaker 1: I got you. That was good stuff. I'm getting him.

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Speaker 1: Get away, all right, we'll be back tomorrow. I want

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Speaker 1: to share some of the mother stories too. No no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. It's a process. Shows over shows over this

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Speaker 1: process man show over time over time to get all

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Speaker 1: the stories. Two thirty right here, Chris Bean. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow, everybody. This has been a

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