1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We have touched down. That's right, 2 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: the suspect and the murders of four Idaho University students 3 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: has touched down in the jurisdiction where this case we'll 4 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: go to a jury trial. Now what I'm Nancy Grace, 5 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: here at Fox Station and series M one eleven. First 7 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to our friends at k 8 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: r E M two. Brian Coburner touching down to the 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Pullman Moscow Regional Airport just after six tonight on board 10 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania State Police plane which traveled across the country 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: a day after Coburner waived extradition. The twenty eight year 12 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: old murder suspect, wearing a black coat over his red 13 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: jump suit, spent less than a minute on the tarmac, 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: moving from the single engine plane to a sheriff's pickup truck. 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: The windows inside were covered up. That truck was escorted 16 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: from the airport through downtown Moscow. Coburger arrived at the 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: jail within a matter of minutes. We saw a garage 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: door open and immediately closed. Once the pickup was inside, 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: A large crowd of students and Moscow residents gathered to watch. 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: Less than an hour after landing on the police Coburger 21 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: was booked into the Layta County Jail, charged with four 22 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: counts of murder and one count of burglary. He's currently 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: being held without bond. It has all happened so incredibly quickly. 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: Forty seven days went by from the time of the 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: murders of those four beautiful young Idaho University students until 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the time of an arrest. And we're learning a lot 27 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: about that arrest and the intense tracking conducted by not 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: only local police but the FBI, as well as a 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: track the suspect Coburger across the country twenty five one 30 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: hundred miles in the Elantra that had been sought after 31 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: by law enforcement all across this country. But what we 32 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: know right now is that Coburger was flown on a 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: fourteen seater pilatus across the country, a private plane that 34 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: apparently it belonged to Pennsylvania State Police. It touched down 35 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: once in Champagne, Illinois, at a fixed operation flight service. 36 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: At that time, everyone at the flight provider, as a 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: private provider, was evacuated from the building. Obviously, for the 38 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: security and the safety of everyone else, and just in 39 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: case Cooburger tried to make an escape. We know that 40 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: there was a brief refueling and then he made his 41 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: way onward to Pullman where he will be tried. Was 42 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: it safe, Yes, it was. The entire flight, he was 43 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: surrounded by armed guards. He was never taken out of 44 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: shackles the entire trip, and now he's where he needs 45 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: to be. We have just gotten the first mug shot 46 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: originating from that location. Take a listen now to our 47 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: friends at King five. Now. Turboprop pilatus that is registered 48 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: to the Pennsylvania State Police just touched down at Moscow 49 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: Pullman Regional Airport after quite a cross country journey to 50 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: safely but at the same time efficiently get the twenty 51 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: eight year old murder suspect on the ground now in Washington, 52 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: soon to be in Idaho to face a judge and 53 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: formally be indicted on those murder charges in a single 54 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: burglar recharge. What you're seeing now is the plane that 55 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: is tack seed off of the active runway as law 56 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: enforce cerat work to get this suspect off of the 57 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: plane into a vehicle where he will be transported to 58 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: a county jail where he will be housed for the 59 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: night before seeing a judge the following day. Law enforcement 60 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, the FBI, Washington State, and Iyaho being very 61 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: cautious in this process to not reveal too many details. 62 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: The suspect, Brian Coburger, wore some type of protective vest 63 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: and was under armed escort. We know that the pit 64 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: stop in Champagne, Illinois, involved a fixed base operator at 65 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: Willard Airport. It was flight Star, one of many private 66 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: plane providers. Many people argue that this was just so 67 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: Coburger could use the bathroom. That's not true. The plane 68 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: probably had enough fuel, but just as a safety precaution, 69 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: they also fueled up there. Interesting that the entire fix 70 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: space operator was evacuated. People had to go outside while 71 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: Coburger was brought inside. Long story short, he's bat in 72 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: the jurisdiction where he will be tried, and as soon 73 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: as he appears in court, we will have all the 74 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: answers from that probable cause. FA David take to listen 75 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: to Janelle Burrell at CBS three. Man accused of killing 76 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: for University of Idaho students back in Idaho this morning 77 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: to appear in court on murder charges early this morning, 78 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: investigators releasing this mugshot of twenty eight year old Brian Coburger. 79 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: Late last night, Idaho law enforcement vehicles escorted him to 80 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: the county jail there in Moscow. It was last Friday 81 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: that police arrested Coburger in the Poconos after a nationwide manhunt. Meanwhile, 82 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: authorities in Indiana they have released new video of the 83 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: first traffic stop involving Coburger and his father. On December fifteenth, 84 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: they drove from Washington to Pennsylvania on a trip that 85 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: was reportedly preplanned. Straight out to one an all star panel, 86 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: joining us to help us analyze what we are receiving 87 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: information fast and furious. Cheryl will call him joining me. 88 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: Founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute, currently on 89 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: a police force. You can find her at Coalcase Crimes 90 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: dot org. Cheryl, thank you. Cheryl also hosts of a 91 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: brand new hit podcast called Zone seven. Cheryl, everybody was 92 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: raising h E double L when this guy co Burger 93 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: and his father on a prearranged flight. Dad flies across 94 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the country twenty five hundred miles picks up son and 95 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: the white L launcher in question and they began the 96 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: journey across country back to Pennsylvania in the family home 97 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: in the Poconos. Everybody had a fit when it came 98 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: out that they were stopped for traffic violations and not once, 99 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: but twice within the span of about ten minute. And 100 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: you and I were like, h wow, isn't that quite 101 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: the coenkie dink coincidence? They're stopped two times in Hancock 102 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: County and Indiana and they're not given a ticket. Whence 103 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: the last time you got pulled over in the interstate 104 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: and you didn't get a ticket. Well, I've never been 105 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: pulled over on the air state. But nobody. Nobody gets 106 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: away if you're speeding or tailgating, as these two were 107 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: accused of doing, you get a ticket and a stern warning. 108 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: That didn't happen. And there's a reason why. Cheryl McCollum, 109 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: that's right. And it was two different agencies. It was 110 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: a Shares department in the Indiana State Police. It's what 111 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: they call a whisper stop. It's when the Feds tell 112 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: local law enforcement who's in their area, and hey, can 113 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: you find a legitimate reason to stop them? Usually a 114 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: traffic violation and peep in the car. Ask them a 115 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: few questions. Do you see any injuries to his hands 116 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: or arm? Does he give you a bog reason why 117 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: he's traveling in the break and he's going? Did he 118 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: admit to where he worked? All of those things are 119 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: going to be pertinent. Can I just give you a 120 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: little advice since you didn't ask when you're conducting your 121 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: hit podcast's own seven, because you please not bury the lead. 122 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: The FBI asked local police, local sheriffs to pull having 123 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: his dad over and this is on December fifteen, so 124 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: they could hopefully get video of the suspect's hands and arm. 125 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, that's exactly what they were doing. Need be 126 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: this agency, the Moscow Police Department, the Indiana State Police, 127 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: the Idaho State Police, the FBI. They have played this 128 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: thing so beautifully. It is just an orchestra of experts 129 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: working and it is purely so. While everyone was throwing 130 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: a big fit about them not arresting them for a 131 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: quadruple of murder, this was all part of the plan, 132 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: not only the FBI, but the local police in the 133 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: jurisdiction of the murder in Idaho to gather evidence. They 134 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: didn't need them to get a ticket for tailgating. They needed, 135 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: they needed video or photos of Coburgers hands at arm, 136 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: which they got. I might add in speaking of the stops, 137 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: we have that sound and footage. Take listen to our 138 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: cut two three seven, one of those doctor then when 139 00:09:42,679 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: you're driving by me there so don't as it was 140 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: a county guy was yeah, okay, all right, wow. Delle Carson. 141 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: Delle Carson joining me, high profile attorney out of Jacksonville 142 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: and former FBI agent, author of Arrest Proof Yourself at 143 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: delle Carson Law dot com. Dell that guy was really 144 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: chatty and nice for a pullover on the interstate. He's 145 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: staying on the side of the interstate with traffic flying 146 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: by him at ninety five mph, and he's like, hey, 147 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: you know what, when you're going this speed, you need 148 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: to stay six or seven. Carl links back and actually 149 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: having a conversation with the guy. Did they not understand 150 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: how wrong that picture was? Del Carson The whole time 151 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: he's getting body video of Coburger's arm and hand. Sure, 152 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: and when the inclement weather's coming in, they've also put 153 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: a GPS moniker on the car to make sure they 154 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: aren't losing. But think about this from a defense perspective. 155 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Did he act unusually frightened or scared when he was stopped? 156 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,479 Speaker 1: Did he flea He didn't do any of those things 157 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: because he's not guilty. I don't know about you, but 158 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: did you see the look on his face when the 159 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: cops pulled him over? Because I thought he looked shocked 160 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: and afraid. I mean, Chris mcdonnah joining me, director col 161 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Case Foundation, former homicide detective. I found him on the 162 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: interview room on YouTube. Chris, did you see the stricken 163 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: look on Coburger's face? And I'm talking about Brian and 164 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: Christopher Coburg, not the father, absolutely, I mean Dearren. The 165 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: headlights right, and well, a lot of technical things moving 166 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: here on this traffic stop. We also have to consider 167 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: did they need a photograph of him for a witness 168 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: to put him in a six pack in a lineup? 169 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: So that that is another potential reason as well. Now 170 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that's it, and I'll tell you why, 171 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: because they had his student photo, they had other photos. 172 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: They had plenty of photos of Coburger at that point. 173 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the dad. Okay, yeah, if if they're 174 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: thinking through, who's this other guy in the car meaning, 175 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: you know, knowing it probably was family, but there's always 176 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: that unknown, so they want to get eyes on that gotcha. 177 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: But I do believe he had quite a striking look 178 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: on his face when the cops pulled him over. Go ahead, 179 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: joining me, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 180 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet and host of Body 181 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: Bags of Joe Scott Morgan. Go ahead, jo Scott. Yeah, 182 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: I gotta say, Nancy, I think there's another peripheral reason 183 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: they may have stopped him. They wouldn't see if this 184 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: guy was going to bolt. They wouldn't see if he 185 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, put put his foot down on 186 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: the pedal and run off. And again, you know, they're 187 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: trying to measure what they're doing here. This is an unknown. 188 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: As the other guests have said, this is an unknown. 189 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: But that's another factor here. They stopped this guy twice, 190 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: and it's like an experiment where you're adding another stimulus 191 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: into the into the into the experiment to see what's 192 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: going to happen because it's unpredictable. Keep in mind, this 193 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: guy is alleged to have slaughtered four people. I can 194 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: only imagine kind of how the you know, how these 195 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: officers guts felt inside if they were aware of what 196 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: they were dealing with. Yeah, dude, I could also jump 197 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: in about his facial expression. Sure with me is Dodor 198 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall's psycho alicside of Beverly Hills. She is at 199 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: Dodor Bethany Marshall dot com. You can also see her 200 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: on Netflix, Bling Empire. Go ahead, Dodtor Bethany. Have you 201 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: ever noticed that the guiltier, the purp, the wider their 202 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: eyes become. It's the fake innocent look, you know. She 203 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: probably when he was pulled over, felt he felt shocked. 204 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: He probably had that fight or flight res bonds where 205 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: you want to evacuate your bowels, your your heart rate 206 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 1: speed up, you know you've been caught, and then bam, 207 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: the wide eyes. You know these guys who kill their 208 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: wives and then they show up at the funeral looking 209 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: all wide eyed. I think that's the other thing I noticed, 210 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: not in his other like arrest and being led out 211 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: by the police, but certainly when he was pulled over, 212 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: playing the innocent guy. Yeah, I would say that that 213 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: is exactly the expression he had. Now, Guys, I am 214 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: pilloried often online which I try not paigning attention to 215 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: about convicting people before they go to trial. I think 216 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: it should probably go unsaid that maybe I have to 217 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: say it again. Of course there's a presumption of innocence. 218 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Of course Cuyberger is going to go to trial, and 219 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: of course at this juncture we don't know all the 220 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: evidence or what the defense is going to say. Maybe 221 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: they'll prove the DNA is wrong. If there is DNA, 222 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: we don't know yet. We are taught looking about the 223 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: facts as we know them right now. We are not 224 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: in a court of law. What's more troubling is his 225 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: alleged comments while he's in custody in Pennsylvania, if those spontaneous. 226 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: Oh wait now, wait, wait, wait, before you even start talking, 227 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: del Carson about what a female inmate said. First of all, 228 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know that anybody house men and women together, 229 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: never heard of that, which at first Blood struck me 230 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: as being wrong. And then I looked at her record 231 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: of let's see domestic violence on Christmas Day, I believe 232 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: it was, and I found what she said that Coburger 233 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: said to be fantastical, things like I cut them, I'm 234 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: going to cut you two, Yes, I'm a creeper. Come 235 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: in my cell and find out. Ah, that didn't jive 236 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: with what we already know about him, his classmates who 237 00:15:54,920 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: were probably more believable and trustworthy, and a fellow inmate 238 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: saying he was very shy and very quiet and very 239 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: socially awkward. This female inmate allegacy tried to expose himself. 240 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't pay any attention to any of that. 241 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't believe it because it's too inconsistent. And the 242 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: jailhouse warden said that didn't happen. That's not at all 243 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: the way it was set up, So I don't believe. Okay, 244 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: you know what you go at, Cheryl, Please, I want 245 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: to go by facts here that we know. When he 246 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: was arrested, it was without any incident. When he was 247 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: stopped not once but twice by law enforcement, it was 248 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: without any incident. He wouldn't even answer a direct question. 249 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: If Dad had to answer for him, a simple thing, 250 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: where you headed? Why didn't you say home for Christmas 251 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania? He didn't. He couldn't even answer something direct. 252 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: There is no way he made the statements that he 253 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: did about law enforcement or tried to expose himself didn't happen. 254 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: All right? Are you done for just right now? Cheryl? 255 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: I am okay. I know that's not true, by the way, 256 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: but mozing going forward. That's not the only bodycam sound 257 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: a video we've got. We have the other stuff, and 258 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, why it didn't dawn on them? Please? Anybody 259 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: jump in, even you Sharyl mc call. Wow, I've been 260 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: pulled over twice in ten minutes and I didn't get 261 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: a ticket. This is a miracle. This is quite the coincidence. No, 262 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: it's not. It's orchestrated by the FBI. Let's take a 263 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: listen to what we can make out of this bodycam. Listen, 264 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: how you do it? How y'all do it today? Good? Good? 265 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: I think look your driver's lines and real quick, who 266 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: I could city is right up on that man. Man, 267 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: you right up on the back end of that man. 268 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: Hold you over? Fortiliating? Is your car? Okay? Cool? Where 269 00:17:52,240 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: you headed? Well? Are you coming from r SU? What's WSU? Yeah? 270 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: That is sure. Okay. I had a hard time period 271 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: because the traffic. If you're coming from Watchington State University 272 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: and you're going where oh oh okay, yeah, real little 273 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: hours hours day? Wow, I gotta tell you something. That cop, 274 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: as well as the first one one was a sheriff, 275 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: on was a cop. I think they deserve an Academy 276 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Award number one. Whenever I've been pulled over, which sadly 277 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: has been often, the cop says two words license registration, 278 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: that's it. No, Hey, how are you doing? Where are 279 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: you going today? And then the whole line, Hey, what's 280 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: wsu I've never seen By the time they're pulling you over, 281 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: they are fed up with you and everybody else on 282 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: the road because everybody's speeding, causing accidents. They're drunk, they're high. 283 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's just the cops are sick of it 284 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: because they see it all day long, every day. So 285 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: they're not there to chat. They're there to get your 286 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: license and registration and give you a ticket or take 287 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: you to jail one in the other and have your 288 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: card and bounded. But it didn't never dawn on these people, 289 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, that lightning is striking twice and everybody walks 290 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: away unscathed. No, Nancy, because criminals are stupid. And there's 291 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: a really interesting research project that was reading that shows 292 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: that eighty nine percent of criminals do not feel that 293 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: they're going to be caught. Actually, that actually may be accurate, 294 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: because most criminals get away with crime. They do. As 295 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: much as we see crime stories on TV, most of 296 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: them actually do get away. There's not enough cops, there's 297 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: not enough jails, there's not enough halfway houses to deal. 298 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: You couldn't do it. Yeah, Okay, I think I agree 299 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: with what you just said. The big news right now 300 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: is Coburger the prime and as we believe, the only 301 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: suspect in the murders of four beautiful University of Idaho 302 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: students is back home in the correct jurisdiction, home from 303 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: mommy and Daddy's house in Pennsylvania, back to Idaho where 304 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: he will be tried. There's no way there's going to 305 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: be a plea entered in this case unless it's for 306 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: the max. And I remind everybody this is a death 307 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: penalty state. Guys. Take a listen to our cut four, 308 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: our friend Craig Copeland and Joyce Teller. The man accused 309 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: of murdering four University of Idaho students is back in 310 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: the Northwest tonight, landing just minutes ago at the airport 311 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: in Pullman. You get a live look outside. There's the 312 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: jail now in Moscow, Idaho. That's where the suspect, twenty 313 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: eight year old Brian Coburger, will be taken. It's about 314 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: seven miles from the airport. So he is being escorted 315 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: by Pennsylvania State Police after being arrested there on Friday. 316 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: A Fox Nation exclusive and international pop star stripped of 317 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: human rights? How does that happen? Easier than you think. 318 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: Join us for a deep dive into Britney Spears's Conservatorship Trapped, 319 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: streaming now on Fox Nation Jos with Nancy Dreamy, Joe Scott, morgun, Dotor, 320 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, Dill Carson, Chris mcdonnaugh, and crimal Wine's Dave 321 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: Matt Cheryl. Did you hear the way that the trooper 322 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: was extending the conversation, basically keeping the defendant talking, trying 323 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: to get a good shot of his hand and arm 324 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: I really admired that. And again, this is not a 325 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: search that is protected by the Constitution of the Fourth Amendment. 326 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: Anything that a private citizen could see is open game 327 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: for law enforcement. Now, if you're going to break into 328 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: a house or go into somebody's trunk, then you have 329 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: to have a warrant but if I could look in 330 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: that car and see his arm as I walked by 331 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the cop can too, So I know everybody's been looking 332 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: at this, Cheryl, Chris, do you notice anything about his 333 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: hand or arm? I didn't really. I mean I saw 334 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: one thing that could have been either a scrape or 335 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: a shadow. I really couldn't make out for sure. But again, 336 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: there's multiple things going on simultaneously here. There's also the 337 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: plain view doctrine. So that officer as he approached that car, 338 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: looked in the back seat, looked at the day. But 339 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: that's what plain view is. I just talked about. I know, 340 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm just reiterating he was doing that as well. It 341 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: wasn't just the hands seniorly, he was doing multiple things. 342 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: He was also locking him in to certain statements that 343 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: he's not going to be able to unwing that bill. 344 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: So again, this thing was done so extraordinarily perfect. You 345 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: know what was the real irony to Chris mcdunnah joining 346 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: me from the Cold Case Foundation and the interview room. 347 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: Is that unsolicited? Brian Coberger says, yeah, what about that 348 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: shooting back at WSU and there was a swat standoff 349 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: where an armed person was shocked during a swat standoff. 350 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: The irony that this guy accused of stabbing dead four 351 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: beautiful young people unarmed in their sleep, three of them 352 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: women in their own beds, And he's going, wow, you know, 353 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: we just got away from this this shooting, doing a 354 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: swat standoff is what he's talking about. That's pretty ironical, 355 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: is it, not, Chris mcdonnah, Yeah, I mean classic deflection, right, Nancy. 356 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean here, you know he's raising an issue of 357 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: a not you know, national case when you know the 358 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: officer is questioning about it, going, well, I haven't heard 359 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: about that. But had he, to your point, made a 360 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: comment such as, well, you know, we're leaving where those 361 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: four college students were murdered for the holidays. We're going 362 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: back to family, YadA yadah. No, he didn't do any 363 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: of that. In fact, he stayed miles away from that conversation. 364 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: He sure did, just like he did in classes. According 365 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: to classmates, Go ahead, doctor Bethany people who were guilty 366 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: always talked too much. And when he brought up, hey, 367 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: what about that shooting, he's trying to distance himself from 368 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: crime he heard about. Oh I know about the shooting. 369 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: I was not a part at the shooting. I'm not 370 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: one of them. I'm just the observer. So you know, 371 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: the wide eyed look, you know, talking too much already 372 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: at the very beginning, he's distancing himself from crime. But 373 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: what we know about him is, in fact, when he 374 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: was a student of criminology, he was obsessed with crime, right. 375 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he put out that survey morning to know 376 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: what criminals thought before, during, and after the commission of 377 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: a crime. So he was already getting tips and he 378 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: was getting excited about the possible execution. He also wanted 379 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: to know how they picked their victims, possibly because well, 380 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: I think most likely because he was already engaged in 381 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: victims selection himself. So he was finding a community of 382 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: criminals online, just like pedophiles find a community of other 383 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: pedophiles online. You know, he was congregating, you know, I 384 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: think it's it may have been Brian Kieberger's dad that 385 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: brought that up. And again they're the IRNAF. He's sitting 386 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: next to someone and he's our murder for defenseless people. 387 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: Little did the dad know, or did the dad know, 388 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: We don't know yet, but we do know the dad 389 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: went there. They changed the taggle in the car for 390 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: whatever reason and drove across the country in a white Luntra. 391 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: They came from nine miles away from the murder's scene. 392 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: You'd have to be under a rock in a cave 393 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: in a country far far away not to know. Costs 394 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: were looking for a white Launtry just like the one 395 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: your son is driving. That's food for thought, But for 396 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: right now, take a listen to our three our friends 397 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: at ABC thirty. We're getting our first look at the 398 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: new booking photo of Brian Koeburger. He's the suspect accused 399 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: of killing for a University of Idaho students in their sleep. 400 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: Coburger was extradited from Pennsylvania back to idaholy last night 401 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: to face murder charges. The plane carrying the suspect first 402 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: arrived at a regional airport in Washington State before officers 403 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: escorted him off the tarmac and took him back to 404 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: a jail in Idaho. Coburger's arrival at Idaho means that 405 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: the court documents filed in his case should soon be 406 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: un perhaps as early as this morning, which could shed 407 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: more life on this case. So the first much shot 408 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: is out. He looks much the same as he does 409 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: in every other photo. But I'm wanting you to also 410 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: hear Sebastian Robertson from King five with the big question. 411 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: So that is the big unknown at this point. What 412 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: do police have on him? When did they know this, 413 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: and how did they place him at the scene of 414 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: the crime. We're expecting those answers within twenty four hours. 415 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: A police essentially have to put a paper together an 416 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: argument that says, this is why we believe this is 417 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: our guy in this case. That's called a probable cause affidavit. 418 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: That document won't be made public until he faces a 419 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: judge and he is formally arraigned on those charges. So 420 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: as soon as that happens, we should get quite a 421 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: bit of details that will tell us what police knew 422 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: when they knew it, and that may be why he 423 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: chose to wave extradition come back to Idaho voluntarily so 424 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: that he himself and his attorneys, his public defenders can 425 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: find out what police have on him, What do they 426 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: have with me? An ulstar panel to make sense of 427 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: what we know right now aside from what the state 428 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: has on him. We already know that his parents are 429 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: shelling out for a crime scene reconstructionist that's not going 430 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: to be cheap. We also know that the Defense has 431 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: sent a team of five investigators into the murder house 432 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: on King Road. What are they doing in there? Straight 433 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: out to just Goot Morgan joining me, Professor forensics, what 434 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: would the team of defense investigators to be doing at 435 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: the crime seing. They're basically reprocessing it in a light 436 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: most favorable to Braig Hoberger. Yeah, they are. They're trying to, 437 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, essentially go in and document what remains within 438 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: that despite that the scene has been altered at this point. Remember, 439 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: and I've talked about this before, it was I think 440 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: that this was a major mistake on the part of 441 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: the authorities to say that they were going to allow 442 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: people to take quote unquote sentimental items out of that scene. 443 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: Everything that is in that scene should have remained pristine. 444 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: You saw it done in Parkland, and you knew who 445 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: the perpetrator was there. They didn't know at that time. 446 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: So now the scene has been altered at this point 447 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: because you cannot you can't undo that. I don't care 448 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: how many photographs they've taken. Now now you've given the defense, 449 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: you've given them ammunition at this point in time, and 450 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: they're going to make Hay with this, I can guarantee 451 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: you it would not. I don't understand what the rush 452 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: was at the time. Probably pressure from families would be 453 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: my guest. Well maybe so, But again, you know, I 454 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: have the ultimate respect for the families. I am so 455 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: sorry for their loss and everything they've been through. But 456 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: a year from now, as is it going through the courts, 457 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: that could be problematic that items were removed from the 458 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: murder scene and the defenseman is not able to look 459 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: at them. You're absolutely right, that's what the defense teams 460 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: is doing right now. They have put in a team 461 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: of five investigators to reprocess the murder scene in the 462 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: entire home at twenty two King. Now, I want you 463 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: to take a listen to our cut two three nine. 464 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: This is Mike Mancuso, the first assistant attorney in Pennsylvania. Listen. 465 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: It is a quirk. Apparently it's not in the norm 466 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: of the states I'm familiar with that Idaho does not 467 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: release their probable cause affidavit in support of their arrest 468 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: warrant until after their defendant is brought a return to 469 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: that state. But having read those documents and the sealed 470 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: affidavit's a probable cause. I definitely believe that one of 471 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: the main reasons the defendant chose to wave extradition and 472 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: hurry his return back to Idaho was to need to 473 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: know what was in those documents. So that's a significant 474 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: development Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What we know is 475 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: that once Coburger appears in court, they probably cause affidavit 476 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: will be unsealed and what do you expect del Carson 477 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: to be and the probab will cause affidavit, Well, it's 478 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: going to be the investigative report, and it's going to 479 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: show what they did, when they did it, and where 480 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: the information came from that links Coburger to the killings. 481 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: You know, there were defensive wounds, so there's likely DNA 482 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: under finger nails or things of that nature that would 483 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: lead directly to that connection. And we will know that 484 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: as soon as he's are reigned in the defense as 485 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: all the information that the state has. But certainly the 486 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: state as an interest as does the defense in delaying 487 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: those revelations, and it will be interesting to see whether 488 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 1: or not they file emotion to keep it sealed as 489 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: it apparently is now. We also know that Coburger's family 490 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: was in the courtroom when the extradition hearing was taking place. 491 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: It was very short, it was to the point, but 492 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: we know that the family was crying. The mother, the 493 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: sisters were beside themselves. I'm just curious because I believe 494 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: that everybody connected to Coburger is going to fall under suspicion. 495 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: Did they aid him? Did they bet him while he 496 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: was on the run. I certainly do not believe in 497 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: any way that his family had anything to do with 498 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: the killings, But did they help him cover up? It 499 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: was a great investigative points harbor him. I think that's 500 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: cristamly done to go ahead. Yeah, Nancy, those are excellent 501 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: investigative points. And this is going back to that traffic stop. 502 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: At this point, we all know there are multiple teams 503 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: chasing every one of those angles right now. They're going 504 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: to want to find out what were the family's movements, 505 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: when were they contacted by this individual, their son, When 506 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: was the ticket purchase for the airline, what was the 507 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: communication and relationship to that, you know, And so the 508 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: CAST team, you know, the Southern Analysis Survey team from 509 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: the FBI, they're going to have all that data and 510 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: they're going to overlay that data in relationship to the 511 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: timeline here. SOO, that critical comment that you just made 512 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: is still on the radar in my opinion. Take a 513 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: listen to our cut two to eight. This is Noah 514 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: Bolter from k HQ. Former FBI Jr. Richard Colco says 515 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: Coburger's charges mean anyone who has been around him could 516 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: be under a microscope. There's going to be a lot 517 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: of interviews that's still need to be done. Now they 518 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: know where they went to school, they can go talk 519 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: to all of his former classmates, former professor's neighbors, wherever 520 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: he lived. They'll do that there, they'll do that in Pennsylvania. 521 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: Lebar says Coburger's biggest concerns surround how his family is 522 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: handling the aftermath of his arrest. He obviously have concerns 523 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: for them, and really he's a little shamed that they 524 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: have to go through this process. The family is totally 525 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: in shock. They say, their son, their brother, would never 526 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: have anything to do with a murder. Must let a 527 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: quadruple murder. Take a listen to the chief public defender 528 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: there in the Poconos, Jason Labar, and our cut two three. 529 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: They don't believe it to be Brian. They can't believe 530 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: this or obviously shocked. This is certainly completely out of 531 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: character the allegations, and really they're just trying to be 532 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: supportive with the understanding these four families have suffered loss 533 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: so that they're sympathetic towards that, and that's why it 534 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: should remain really private, and they don't want to try 535 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: this case in the court of public opinion, and without 536 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: knowing the facts and evidence as of right now, they 537 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: don't really want to comment on things. And now take 538 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut two three two investigators processing 539 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: Koberger's white Houndean Launtra they say was spotted on surveillance 540 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: near the crime scene. Koberger and his father driving the 541 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: car twenty five hundred miles from Washington to Pennsylvania, arriving 542 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: at the family home a month after the murderers. I 543 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: continue based on a serious in cars months and sometimes 544 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: years old, we've been able to find trace amounts of 545 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: blood and DNA in a view of despite the fact 546 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: that I had to Cheryl McCollum joining us from the 547 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, you're hearing our friends at ABC. Yes, 548 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: he has had the car for now over a month 549 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: after the murders. What if anything, what trace evidence could 550 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: be left behind, Cheryl. There could be drops of blood, 551 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: There could be hair from one of the victims. That 552 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: could be hair from the dogs. There could be computers 553 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: in the car, There could be mud in the car. 554 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: They could be all kind of things associated with that area, 555 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: specifically even the parking lot. They're they're looking for anything 556 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: in that vehicle. And if you remember, like Ted Bundy 557 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: took the seats out of his car and was literally 558 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: hosing it down, it doesn't appear that that was necessarily 559 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: done here. If you look at the outside of the car, 560 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: it's still filthy, so there could be evidence even on 561 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: the outside of the car. Remember O. J. Simpson had 562 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: one drop of blood with all the blood in that 563 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: one drop, So you're going to have, you know, multiple 564 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: victims here that were killed at different times, and those 565 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: blood droplets could have different blood intermingled to tell you 566 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: again who was killed in what order, but also it 567 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: could be in his vehicle. Well, you're right, Cheryl McCollum, 568 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: you're right again. So Joseph Scott Morgan explain how they 569 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: will go about this tedious process. We're saying what it's 570 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: going to be in the affidavit This is evidence that 571 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: may not be in the PC affidavit because it hasn't 572 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: been gathered yet. They're doing that right now as we speak. 573 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: What exactly are they doing and how are they doing it? 574 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Well, I'll tell you this, that car ain't 575 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: going back to Otaho. The FBI has that car. They're 576 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: probably processing it at their facility near Philly or Scranton. 577 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: They all of these places have these types of garages 578 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: they can take them in and they are taking this 579 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: thing apart. They're taking the tires off, they're gonna take 580 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: the headliner out, they'll probably take well, they're going to 581 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: remove the seats, they'll take out the dash, they'll take 582 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: off the steering wheel. They're gonna pull up the carpet 583 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: and they're gonna go over this scene from stem to stern. 584 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: What's really fascinating that folks might not know is that 585 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: there's technology out there. I know that Cheryl can chim 586 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: in on this with IMBAC, where you think that you've 587 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: gotten everything out if you're attempting to clean an environment, 588 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: but when you apply IMBAC technology, which is a vacuum 589 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: cleaner essentially for crime scene process and it goes down 590 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: deep into the strata, so anything that's soaked in. And 591 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: I have held that that car is a rolling crime scene. 592 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: Just understand that that when if that car was used 593 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: as a conveyance for him that night when he left, 594 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: when he left Moscow and transported himself back to Pullman, 595 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: anything in that scene would have transferred there to that car. 596 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: And there's no way you can get everything. So they're 597 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: going to be pulling it up right now. And you 598 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: make a good point. They still don't know what they 599 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: have at this point. They just have gotten their hands 600 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: on the car. So this is going to be a 601 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: developing story all the way along. But I'm asking about 602 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: is the exact process how they do it? Do they 603 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: take a box cutter, for instance, and cut the carpet 604 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: out of the car, and then they put the carpet 605 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: under a microscope bit by bit? Do they rub luminole 606 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: inside the car down in the nooks and crannies where 607 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: the gearshift may be, or where the radio is, where 608 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: you touch panels, the light switch. Remember in Teresa Avery's 609 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: murder excuse me, Teresa Halback's murderer at the hands of 610 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Avery, who shot to fame in making a murder 611 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: He actually moved her car from where she had parted 612 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: when she came to take photos for an Auto Trader magazine. 613 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: He moved her car to the far back end of 614 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: his salvage lot and covered it up, tried to obscure it. 615 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: But can you just imagine that hulking killer hunched over 616 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: the wheel his sweat. We believe something that offered up 617 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: DNA was found on the ignition of her car. Yeah, 618 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: it could be, and his sweat could be present. I want, 619 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: I want to make this point clear. His sweat could 620 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: be present at the scene in Moscow or Moscow as well. 621 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: But they're going to use alternative lighting sources like infrared, 622 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. There's all kinds of format we 623 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: can do relative to photography inside the thing. And this 624 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: is not a blunt event. This is almost like doing 625 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: surgery within this car. They're going to be they'll have 626 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: a plant when they go through everything. Because we're talking 627 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: about at a molecular level, Nancy, anything can be missed 628 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 1: very easily, so they will take their time. And he 629 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: had to have blood on his person when he left 630 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: that scene. Then he gets in the car, what did 631 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: he touch? I mean, I'm talking about the steering wheel, 632 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: the flasher, the light switch, the locking, the door, the 633 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: seat belt. Yeah yeah, don't you know something could be 634 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: on that seatbelt if he put it on, because you know, 635 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: we didn't want to get arrested. But speaking of what 636 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: is going to be in that PC affidavit, what they 637 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: do have, what they don't have, this is one thing 638 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: I believe they do have. Take a listen to our 639 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: cut two three three are friends at crime Online, a 640 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: source close to the investigation drops a bombshell claim that 641 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: Brian Coburger was stalking the victims for weeks leading up 642 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: to the murders, then war gloves after the quadruple homicide 643 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: to avoid leaving a trail of evidence. A friend of 644 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: an investigator says of Coburger, he's not stupid and has 645 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: been very careful. The source said. As Coburger stalked his victims, 646 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: his cell phone data showed that he was in the 647 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: same area as his victims, with their cell phone locations 648 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: matching up on multiple occasions in the weeks leading up 649 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: to their deaths. The source said, not sure if they 650 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: ever interacted, but his cell phone pings followed their every 651 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 1: move for weeks, and Nancy as we speak. The probable 652 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,479 Speaker 1: cause affidavit has been released, and even though coburger phone 653 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: did not ping near the home of the murders between 654 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: three am and five AM on the thirteenth, phone records 655 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: clearly indicate at least twelve prior occasions before November thirteenth, 656 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: his phone was in the area of the home in 657 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: the late evening or early morning hours. That's not all 658 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: police are revealing the recovery of a tan leather knife 659 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: sheath laying on the bed right next to Mattie Mogan. 660 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: The sheath had a K bar USMC and the United 661 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: States Marine Corps Eagle globe and Anchor insignia stamped on 662 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: the outside of it. The Idaho State Lab located a 663 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: single source of male DNA left on the button snap 664 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: of the knife sheath. We wait as justice uncles Nancy 665 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: Grace signing off good Bysman