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Speaker 3: Democratic Senator Ron Wyden released an investigation exclusively to Bloomberg News.
Speaker 3: We can throw this first hairsheet up on the screen.
Speaker 3: He's obviously been investigating Epstein's finances for a very long time.
Speaker 3: The Bloomberg headline here is Deutsche Bank JP Morgan Bank
Speaker 3: of America enabled Epstein. Widen report says, Now, of course,
Speaker 3: we basically already knew this, but it's a report from
Speaker 3: investigative reporter Jason Leopold over at Bloomberg, who says that
Speaker 3: Deutsche Bank failed to promptly report to US authorities more
Speaker 3: than two hundred and fifty million dollars a quarter of
Speaker 3: a billion dollars in suspicious transactions tied to Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 3: including funds used to pay women in Russia and other
Speaker 3: Eastern European countries, according to a new report from Ron Wyden,
Speaker 3: now that report itself is really long and really dense.
Speaker 3: In fact, this is the last element. We can toss
Speaker 3: this up on the screen. This is going to be
Speaker 3: a D three. Widen, after giving this to Jason Leopold,
Speaker 3: released this full it's nearly one hundred page report going
Speaker 3: through exactly what they discovered and Widen's team rights. The
Speaker 3: investigation revealed how major compliance failures at several Wall Street
Speaker 3: banks enabled Epstein for years by failing to report or
Speaker 3: choosing not to report his suspicious financial transactions to federal
Speaker 3: law enforcement. These banks allowed Epstein to send cash payments
Speaker 3: and wire transfers to his victims, friends, and collaborators around
Speaker 3: the world. The bankers who needed to be asking questions
Speaker 3: didn't ask them. Jeffrey Epstein's crimes were hiding in plane sight.
Speaker 3: Widing goes on to say they found quote significant evidence
Speaker 3: that JP Morgan Chase. Deutsche Bank of America violated federal
Speaker 3: anti money laundering laws by failing to screen and report
Speaker 3: Epstein's suspicious financial transactions in a timely manner. They went
Speaker 3: through records that were at the Treasury Department. You may
Speaker 3: actually remember Widen very publicly going through some of those records,
Speaker 3: I think it was last year, and internal bank records
Speaker 3: that showed top executives at major banks were aware of
Speaker 3: Epstein's suspicious financial activity for years, but withheld information from
Speaker 3: the government and protected Epstein from federal scrutiny. So there
Speaker 3: are a couple of things going on there, first of all,
Speaker 3: not properly screening Crystal, and second of all then withholding
Speaker 3: information from the government, failing to report information to the government,
Speaker 3: And Widen points out they failed to conduct appropriate due
Speaker 3: diligence on more than one hundred and seventy million dollars
Speaker 3: in payments to Epstein from Leon Black. They say the
Speaker 3: documents show that even after JP Morgan formally terminated Epstein
Speaker 3: as a client, which people may remember is like a
Speaker 3: story involved in exactly this conversation, due to human trafficking concerns,
Speaker 3: the bank still waited years to report his activity to
Speaker 3: regulators and top bankers eagerly continued to work with him
Speaker 3: informally through other channels where he could continue to be
Speaker 3: a source of referrals for other ultra wealthy clients. So,
Speaker 3: christ I think the big picture here was already known
Speaker 3: that essentially a lot of these banks were in bed
Speaker 3: with Jeffrey Epstein, and we're looking the other way, failing
Speaker 3: to report information to the government, failing to do their
Speaker 3: due diligence as required by law and by decent human beings,
Speaker 3: of course, with some of these transactions. But what Widen's
Speaker 3: doing here, I think, is really putting some meat on
Speaker 3: the bones of what was already broadly known. This is
Speaker 3: a very big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean this follow the money piece is
Speaker 2: extremely important because it gives us a glimpse into how
Speaker 2: this all, how this whole network operated, and how it
Speaker 2: was able to persist for so long.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bank of America they reported they're one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: million dollars in Epstein related transactions connected to Leon Block Black,
Speaker 2: but they did so five to seven years after they
Speaker 2: took place. The bank said some of those transactions had
Speaker 2: quote no apparent economic business or lawful purpose, you know,
Speaker 2: The other question here is whether there should be criminal
Speaker 2: charges or some sort of charges filed against those who
Speaker 2: were involved in these decisions, because banks are under a
Speaker 2: legal obligation to report this type of suspicious financial activity.
Speaker 2: So they appear to have failed in meeting those legal obligations.
Speaker 2: So someone should look into if something could be done
Speaker 2: there after the fact. And so you see the way
Speaker 2: the network operated though. I mean, number one, all of
Speaker 2: these banks, they're making too much money with Epstein, so
Speaker 2: and he's not only from his own transactions, but also
Speaker 2: he would bring in Elon Musk for a meeting, he
Speaker 2: would bring in Israeli officials for meetings. He would try
Speaker 2: to bring in high net worth individuals to these various banks.
Speaker 2: So he was a golden goose in terms of client
Speaker 2: development and relationships. So they were making too much money.
Speaker 2: And then some of these people had direct personal entanglements.
Speaker 2: You know, there's all kinds of very disturbing emails between
Speaker 2: Leon Black and Jeffrey Epstein that would are highly suggestive
Speaker 2: of some quite disturbing activity that they may have been
Speaker 2: partaking in. So that's the way that this whole thing
Speaker 2: would operate. And if he got a couple people in
Speaker 2: high places at these institutions, who were you know who
Speaker 2: he had some sort of black mail material, some sort
Speaker 2: of a personal relationship with, then he could get his
Speaker 2: way and he could encourage them to turn the other cheek.
Speaker 2: And they were highly incentivized to do so anyway, because
Speaker 2: of the money that was being made.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: And remember, jess Daley is all over the Epstein files,
Speaker 3: and particularly in his capacity at JP Morgan. Obviously he
Speaker 3: was the CEO of Barclays resigned Epstein problems back in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, but he was at JP Morgan for
Speaker 3: like what three decades. Refers to his friendship with Epstein
Speaker 3: as quote unquote profound, calls him family in the emails
Speaker 3: that were released recently. Melanie Stansbury, Democrat from New Mexico,
Speaker 3: has said, we have email documentation that in twenty ten
Speaker 3: Staley was requesting and interacting with Jeffrey Epstein to procure
Speaker 3: women that he had sexual encounters with. And when he
Speaker 3: was asked in the committee hearing that they had at
Speaker 3: the time what happened and to describe those encounters, he
Speaker 3: could not recall. So Staley is, like I said, all over
Speaker 3: the Epstein files. Some of these other guys are all
Speaker 3: over the Epstein files. Remember JP Morgan did settle what
Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars, some three hundred million dollars back
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three with Epstein's victims. But that two
Speaker 3: hundred million dollar lawsuit. Interestingly enough, isn't that the number.
Speaker 3: That's the number of that's the Deutsche Bank in Jason
Speaker 3: Leopold's report based on the Widen report, that's just the
Speaker 3: suspicious transactions that Deutsche failed to promptly report to US authoria.
Speaker 3: It's just a cool quarter of a billion dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's nothing in.
Speaker 3: That world, Crystal. It's nothing to worry about it at all.
Speaker 3: A quarter of a billion dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we've also we've got not only got a high
Speaker 2: finance story here, we've also got a media story. We
Speaker 2: can put this next piece up on the screen. So
Speaker 2: Widen apparently was interviewed about this whole investigation back in
Speaker 2: March by then sixty minutes correspondent Sharon Alfonsi for a
Speaker 2: segment the news program was reporting about Wall Street Banks
Speaker 2: and the US Virgin Islands government's relationship with Epstein. Two
Speaker 2: months later, CBS News fired Alphonsi after she publicly criticized
Speaker 2: their leadership and Barry Weiss's editorial decisions involving a different segment,
Speaker 2: she reported neither the Widen interview nor that broader Epstein's
Speaker 2: story has aired. Spokesperson for CBS News confirmed that Alfonsi
Speaker 2: had interviewed Widen for potential segment in March, but said
Speaker 2: the story did not come together for airing during the
Speaker 2: Sixty Minute season that concluded in May. This bookesperson would
Speaker 2: not comment on any plans for the program's next season. So,
Speaker 2: just to put that all together for you, sixty Minutes
Speaker 2: had recorded an interview with Widen on exactly these financial
Speaker 2: potential crimes and certainly cover up of the Epstein relationship
Speaker 2: and suspicious transactions. Not only did they spike the segment,
Speaker 2: but they fired the correspondent who conducted the interview. So
Speaker 2: pretty extraordinary revelations here about what is going on behind
Speaker 2: the scenes at CBS News. Because, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: interested in doing real journalism, if you're interested and also
Speaker 2: a topic that the public has great interest in, this
Speaker 2: seems like a prime opportunity for you to dig in
Speaker 2: and you know, show what was going on here. But
Speaker 2: they decided that this was not worth their time.
Speaker 5: Interesting, Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3: I mean I went and checked the archives on CBS News,
Speaker 3: not sixty minutes yesterday, because minunderstanding is that sixty and
Speaker 3: it's kind of operates as its own premiere product within
Speaker 3: CBS News, and CBS does have one of the best
Speaker 3: reporters on Epstein, Beat Rutnik, who published that great report.
Speaker 3: This was before Barry Wise took over the network analyzing
Speaker 3: the security footage from the cell, and he's continued to
Speaker 3: do excellent, I think, really challenging reporting on Epstein. But
Speaker 3: this is a sign, obviously now that sixty minutes is
Speaker 3: a place to be watched. I did go back and
Speaker 3: look at the sixty minutes archives recently, not a ton
Speaker 3: of Epstein coverage. Obviously there once a week, but just
Speaker 3: in the last year or so, they haven't done a
Speaker 3: ton over at sixty minutes on Epstein. But CBS at
Speaker 3: least does have a reporter that seems to still be
Speaker 3: on the beat a lot to be doing what they're doing, Crystal.
Speaker 3: It's a sign, though, to keep an eye on what's happening,
Speaker 3: no question about that, because there are a lot of
Speaker 3: people who have convinced themselves that can get away with.
Speaker 3: I mean it was ABC News, right, it was Amy
Speaker 3: Robock at ABC News, who I think was James O'Keefe
Speaker 3: got video of her saying that the network squashed her
Speaker 3: Epstein reporting, and I think she said I had it.
Speaker 3: She was like, I had all of this years before
Speaker 3: some of it blew up into public media. So it's
Speaker 3: it's definitely not beyond these networks to come in and
Speaker 3: try to put their thumb on the scale for people
Speaker 3: in their orbit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, they didn't want to compromise their access to the
Speaker 2: Royal family in advance of wedding or whatever was going.
Speaker 5: At the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't can't have that so sorry, sorry victims,
Speaker 2: Sorry world who doesn't want to continue to have a
Speaker 2: pedophile canbal have massive power in our system. We got
Speaker 2: to cover the Royal wedding, so that's more going to
Speaker 2: take precedence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would hardly be surprising if a network was
Speaker 3: putting its sum on the scale to downplay or suppress
Speaker 3: any of this reporting. But we'll continue, obviously to keep
Speaker 3: an eye on CBS News as we have been doing
Speaker 3: so Chris. Unfortunately, we have another abuse scandal to talk
Speaker 3: about today, in the case of Max Miller.
Speaker 2: So we have been tracking the political fallout and alleged
Speaker 2: abuse allegations against Republican Representative Max Miller, who gave a
Speaker 2: I guess fiery speech rebuttal of against these allegations on Sunday,
Speaker 2: doubling down staying in the race. Today is actually the
Speaker 2: deadline to replace him on the ballot, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: look like that's happening. The only Republican who has said
Speaker 2: that he should no longer be in Congress is his
Speaker 2: own father in law, Senator Bernie Moreno. Max Miller went
Speaker 2: on Jake Tapper Show yesterday for a combative interview. We'll
Speaker 2: show you some of those highlights, but Emily, you got
Speaker 2: a glimpse into some of the local political valance here
Speaker 2: and how Republican voters in his district in Ohio are
Speaker 2: processing these allegations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. So, I host a show right after
Speaker 3: Megan Kelly and Serious exem every day where we just
Speaker 3: take callers who have reaction to news of the day.
Speaker 3: And a guy from Max Miller's district in Ohio said
Speaker 3: he was from the district, called in yesterday Trump voter
Speaker 3: and give us a little bit of reaction how he's
Speaker 3: personally thinking about how the community is thinking about whether
Speaker 3: or not they'll go and actually vote for Miller amidst
Speaker 3: these very very ugly allegations, and they continue to mount,
Speaker 3: by the way, just the way that his campaign and
Speaker 3: potentially his House office that's another scandal in the making,
Speaker 3: have handled these allegations. It's stacking up. So we could
Speaker 3: take a listen here. I believe his name was George
Speaker 3: in Ohio. How he described his reaction in the district
Speaker 3: yesterday on Serious XM.
Speaker 6: I calling because Max Miller is actually my congressman, and
Speaker 6: oh wow, I don't think that I can actually vote
Speaker 6: for this guy. Yeah, he's a strange dude. A lot
Speaker 6: of stuff comes out in the local media that doesn't
Speaker 6: make the national news. He's had troubles before like this,
Speaker 6: and he really hasn't been a great congressman. He's basically
Speaker 6: just been a rubber stamp for whatever Trump wants. I mean,
Speaker 6: I've been a Trump voter, but I'm not too enamored
Speaker 6: with him at this point. But I hope the Republican
Speaker 6: Party finds someone new within a day to put up
Speaker 6: because I don't think this guy will win. His opponent
Speaker 6: is pretty strong. I don't know exactly that I would
Speaker 6: vote for his opponent either. I mean, just sit this
Speaker 6: race out home, because Ohio's in deep trouble with the
Speaker 6: Republican Party here. But that was my point. I don't
Speaker 6: think I can vote for this Max Miller guy.
Speaker 2: Pretty interesting and you know, as comments not only about
Speaker 2: Max Miller, like listen, even before this, we had some
Speaker 2: issues with this duties just not doing a great job,
Speaker 2: but also saying that the Ohio, Ohio as a whole,
Speaker 2: is having some issues with Republican leadership and you know,
Speaker 2: him being a Trump voter and being dissatisfied with that.
Speaker 2: And I do think Ohio is one of the states
Speaker 2: Iowa is really been screwed by the Trump agenda, but
Speaker 2: I do think Ohio is a state that has really
Speaker 2: suffered from some of the choices that Trump has made,
Speaker 2: both economically and obviously in terms of the war, etc.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had another woman from Ohio calling a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago and say she thinks Republicans are cooked in Ohio,
Speaker 3: that it's actually looking like Cherry Brown is going to win,
Speaker 3: and that Ohio is going to go Democrat in the
Speaker 3: fall because of the economy and the Iran war in particular.
Speaker 3: So there's something happening on the ground, there's no question
Speaker 3: about it. And Max Miller is right now. Apparently even
Speaker 3: the president according to an Axios report that leaked somehow,
Speaker 3: maybe this is Trump World trying to undermine Max Miller
Speaker 3: without publicly saying he should step down. Trump doesn't want
Speaker 3: to do that if you're a loyal Trump guy like
Speaker 3: Max Miller is, which the caller also mentioned by the way,
Speaker 3: a Trump voter's saying he's been a rubber stamp for
Speaker 3: Trump and not pushed back enough. Kind of interesting. But
Speaker 3: on a call, Trump told Miller that quote, things aren't
Speaker 3: looking good and said his reelection would be tough. According
Speaker 3: to three sources on this story, in access from Alex
Speaker 3: Eisenstatt and Mark Capudo about a conversation Trump had with
Speaker 3: Max Miller on Monday night, and Christal, we have video
Speaker 3: of Max Miller going on CNN to defend himself in
Speaker 3: front of Jake Tapper just yesterday. He's tripling down on
Speaker 3: all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quite defiant and just as a reminder here to
Speaker 2: set up this exchange. You know, the most of many
Speaker 2: of the allegations have come from his ex wife, including
Speaker 2: she claims that he threw scalding water at her, that
Speaker 2: he held a gun to her head, that there was
Speaker 2: other physical violence and threats. She suspects that he may
Speaker 2: have broken their young daughter's collarbone. So really very serious
Speaker 2: allegations here. But there are two other women who've also
Speaker 2: alleged that he abused them. One is Stephanie Grisham, who
Speaker 2: was in the first Trump White House, who said, you know,
Speaker 2: she was constantly afraid of him, that he threw her
Speaker 2: up against the wall and slapped her when she suspected
Speaker 2: him of cheating on her. And then there was a
Speaker 2: girl at the time in high school who alleges that
Speaker 2: he threw her down the stairs and what she described
Speaker 2: as being one of the darkest days of her life. So,
Speaker 2: in any case, Tapper confronts Max Miller with these allegations,
Speaker 2: effectively saying, don't you realize how hard it is for
Speaker 2: us to accept all of your dismissals when you have
Speaker 2: three separate women who are telling very similar stories about
Speaker 2: your behavior towards them. Let's go ahead and take a
Speaker 2: listen to how he handled that exchange.
Speaker 7: There are now three women, three women who have accused
Speaker 7: you of violent behavior. Politico published a report in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty one that says, when you were in high school,
Speaker 7: you quote pushed a girl out of the dorm of
Speaker 7: his room and she fell down some stairs after he
Speaker 7: became enraged when she resisted his attempts to touch her,
Speaker 7: according to three people who were there and many more
Speaker 7: who heard about the incident in the aftermath. Now you
Speaker 7: deny that, but the woman in question told Mother Jones
Speaker 7: reporter Abby Vasulis just days ago that it had happened
Speaker 7: and was quote one of the more traumatic nights of
Speaker 7: her life.
Speaker 4: Now that I'd love the whole on individual to go
Speaker 4: on the record, because I.
Speaker 7: Hold on because I'm not done with the list of
Speaker 7: women that have accused you of violence. Then there is
Speaker 7: former White House Press secretary Okay, you were young. Then
Speaker 7: there's a former White House Press Secretary, Stephanie Grisham, who
Speaker 7: was your ex girlfriend. She accused you of being abusive
Speaker 7: and having a violent streak. She wrote in her book, quote,
Speaker 7: I could do nothing right by him. I would wake
Speaker 7: up every morning shake it with shaking with anxiety about
Speaker 7: his mood that day. I had seen his temper before
Speaker 7: and it had scared me.
Speaker 4: Unquote.
Speaker 7: She has recently filed a temporary restraining order against you
Speaker 7: in a defamation case. And now there are these claims
Speaker 7: from your ex wife, Emily Marino, And I guess the
Speaker 7: question is, are all three of these women who don't
Speaker 7: know each other, are all three of them lying?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 8: It's very easy. And I can tell you why. Every
Speaker 8: single time and people have asked me, you know, what
Speaker 8: are you going to do? Are you gonna drop out
Speaker 8: of this race? Are you going to resign? You know,
Speaker 8: are you going to get out before the deadline? And
Speaker 8: my answer to you, Jake, is no. And I can
Speaker 8: tell you why. Twenty sixteen, when President Donald J. Trump
Speaker 8: faced the most extreme allegations in the world that hit
Speaker 8: him day after day after day, and people in the
Speaker 8: media have very much like yourself and others said that
Speaker 8: he would have no shot at winning, that he should
Speaker 8: not be the president of the United States. But guess
Speaker 8: what he stayed in and he was resilient. And what
Speaker 8: the American people can see is that they can see
Speaker 8: that somebody is fighting who is resilient, and that is
Speaker 8: a quality that the American people cherish. And so for
Speaker 8: no second am I going to sit here and continue
Speaker 8: to be debased by false and baseless allegations and be
Speaker 8: pushed out of his seat. I have worked so hard
Speaker 8: to represent and done a terrific job for our community.
Speaker 8: You know my record in Congress on the ways and
Speaker 8: means and Hou's foreign affairs and bringing back money for
Speaker 8: our district and standing up for the Ukrainian people and
Speaker 8: also voting to protect Obamacare during this entire time. This
Speaker 8: is why no one's attacking me on my policy, Jake,
Speaker 8: because they can't.
Speaker 4: I've been a good legislator.
Speaker 8: All they're trying to do is create rumor mills without evidence.
Speaker 4: It's all hearsay, do you all hear say?
Speaker 2: Kind of interesting the issues he chooses to highlight there,
Speaker 2: which are all sort of like democratic coded issues. Standing
Speaker 2: up for the people of Ukraine and protecting Obamacare gives
Speaker 2: you a sense of the kind of populist area in
Speaker 2: Ohio that he represents. But Emily, what did you make
Speaker 2: of his appeal there too? I'm like Trump. You know,
Speaker 2: Trump had all these allegations against him, and what people
Speaker 2: love about him is that he stood strong and this
Speaker 2: is the quality that the American people admire. Because it
Speaker 2: seems to me that that is very much pitched at
Speaker 2: Trump himself.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, yeah, my reaction is
Speaker 3: that is directly to the audience of one Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 3: He obviously was coming off of a conversation he had
Speaker 3: with Trump over the phone the night before, at least
Speaker 3: according to Axios, and Trump was telling him it's gonna
Speaker 3: be tough. So now you have Max Miller making a
Speaker 3: pitch that sounds just directly tailored to the one person,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, but the actually tying this back to that call.
Speaker 3: What's interesting is, I'm not sure that's really enough to
Speaker 3: have just the Trump stamp of approval. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that's really enough right now for Max Miller. I don't
Speaker 3: know that that can carry you anymore where you have
Speaker 3: a weak economy, a war that continues to rage on
Speaker 3: Trump is not on the ballot itself, So I don't
Speaker 3: actually even know that maintaining Trump's support, I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: that allows him to maintain the support of kind of
Speaker 3: the official party apparatus for now, because Trump is the
Speaker 3: leader of the Republican Party, so it all comes downstream
Speaker 3: of that. But I just I'm not sure that it's
Speaker 3: as big as a dub as he thinks it is.
Speaker 3: And Crystal just in the kind of subjective sense, he's
Speaker 3: being accused of emotional instability, like at the very very least,
Speaker 3: we have tapes that are coming out and all of
Speaker 3: that sort, like you can kind of hear it. And
Speaker 3: obviously his family situation is deeply unstable. He sounds emotionally
Speaker 3: unstable in his own defense of himself. Yeah, it plays
Speaker 3: into exactly what the big picture accusation is that he's
Speaker 3: not well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he gets caught in some kind of some
Speaker 2: lies like, for example, he had said in that long video,
Speaker 2: you know, my ex wife is the only one who's
Speaker 2: made any of these allegations, Like, well, that's not true.
Speaker 2: It's just not true at all, because he wants to
Speaker 2: be able to just attack her and say, well, she's
Speaker 2: the one who is diagnosed with mental health issues and
Speaker 2: so it's very sad, but she's got all these problems,
Speaker 2: and that's what's going on. It's very much more difficult
Speaker 2: to dismiss three separate women who have all come out
Speaker 2: and said very similar things. There's also this dynamic playing
Speaker 2: out with his father in law. So his ex wife
Speaker 2: is Emily Morino, her dad is Bernie Marino, who is
Speaker 2: a Republican senator from Ohio, who waited a very long
Speaker 2: time before he came out and said anything, and who
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But Miller
Speaker 2: sort of obliquely threatens Moreno with a revelation of some
Speaker 2: embarrassing matter in this interview with Tapper, and he had
Speaker 2: made some similar threats previously, some sort of like blackmail
Speaker 2: esque threats against Moreno previously. This could be the reason
Speaker 2: why he waited so long to come out against Max
Speaker 2: Miller in spite of the horrifying abuse allegations involving Miller
Speaker 2: against his daughter. So let's go ahead and take a
Speaker 2: listen to this part of the exchange with Tapper.
Speaker 7: With your former father in law story today about your
Speaker 7: daughter and the little blue Bonnie doll that she cannot
Speaker 7: sleep without. If it's true, that sounds like emotionally abusive
Speaker 7: behavior toward a toddler to refuse to give it to
Speaker 7: her when she can't sleep without it.
Speaker 8: Jake, I would agree that if that were true, that
Speaker 8: would be incredibly disturbing.
Speaker 4: That the Senator would be right.
Speaker 8: However, he has taken two years to publicly acknowledge for
Speaker 8: me to resign from my seat. Why is that, Jake,
Speaker 8: if he truly believed, like I'm a father to a
Speaker 8: two and a half year old daughter, I believe that
Speaker 8: you're also a father to children. And I don't know
Speaker 8: if you're actually a father to a daughter. But what
Speaker 8: I can tell you is, well, Jake, then what I
Speaker 8: can tell you is is that if my daughter came
Speaker 8: to me and she said my ex husband did X,
Speaker 8: Y and Z, and then I waited because I was
Speaker 8: nervous that a political live stream was going to expose
Speaker 8: a deeply impersonal, embarrassing matter to the senator for him
Speaker 8: to take that action.
Speaker 4: Sadly, this has nothing.
Speaker 8: To do with my daughter, Jake, And that's what this
Speaker 8: entire thing is about. This is nothing more than an
Speaker 8: individual who's being politically vindictive and talking about a blue bunny.
Speaker 8: When I have text messages I can show you from
Speaker 8: our parent coordinator, who is a mandatory court reporter, who
Speaker 8: said that mister Moreno would be coming over my home.
Speaker 8: And then another individual came who I don't know.
Speaker 2: So one of the we mentioned this before, but one
Speaker 2: of the theories here is there had been a report
Speaker 2: in the during Moreno's campaign that his work email had
Speaker 2: been used to set up a profile on a gay
Speaker 2: dating site. Stafford came out and said, oh, that was me.
Speaker 2: I was just playing a joke. But Emily, this is
Speaker 2: kind of the theory of what Miller may have on
Speaker 2: Moreno and why Moreno did not come forward before at
Speaker 2: this moment.
Speaker 3: Right and why Max Miller seems to think he can
Speaker 3: survive going forward now it's like he's holding this potentially
Speaker 3: is some sort of last minute, last ditch shield that
Speaker 3: he'll be able to whip out and stay in the race. Obviously,
Speaker 3: today is the deadline. It looks like Republicans have no plans.
Speaker 3: Looks like Max Miller is going to remain on the ballot.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 3: I guess it's possible that they could finally push him
Speaker 3: to drop out and organize some sort of write in
Speaker 3: campaign before the fall, but right now it just doesn't
Speaker 3: look like there's any sign of that whatsoever. We can
Speaker 3: go now to E two. I'm going to set this
Speaker 3: clip up. This is Bernie Moreno yesterday in the hallway
Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill getting asked some questions about it. Take
Speaker 3: a listen.
Speaker 10: What did you think of Miller telling Trump he could
Speaker 10: still win the election. Look, I don't care about the
Speaker 10: politics of this. I hope that you guys understand. Maybe
Speaker 10: I hope you never have to understand what my daughter's
Speaker 10: been through, what my daughter is going through, what my
Speaker 10: wife is going through, two other my two boys and
Speaker 10: my other daughter are going through. This is truly the
Speaker 10: seventh level of hell. This has been a horrific experience
Speaker 10: for my entire family. My daughter specifically did not want
Speaker 10: this to be out in the public. That's why she
Speaker 10: asked me to say, lower the temperature.
Speaker 3: And believe it or not, it actually gets even uglier.
Speaker 3: We can put E three on the screen now. This
Speaker 3: is a letter that Annie Karney The New York Times
Speaker 3: reported to Bernie. I'm sorry to Max Miller's lawyer from
Speaker 3: Emily Marino's legal team that said, yesterday you enabled your client,
Speaker 3: Congressman Max Miller, to share and disseminate to the public
Speaker 3: and electronic dropbox folder of materials. This was in conjunction
Speaker 3: with the video rant about our client Emily Marino that
Speaker 3: Miller posted on x the first time Miller shared the folder.
Speaker 3: It contained private images of Miller and miss Marino's daughter
Speaker 3: and left her name unredacted. At least one of those
Speaker 3: images could be considered child sexual abuse material. Because the
Speaker 3: daughter's genitals appear to be visible. It garnered, according to
Speaker 3: this letter, over two hundred and four thousand views from
Speaker 3: the time it was posted until this afternoon, So also
Speaker 3: Crystal Max Miller's legal defense. The dropbox folder I think
Speaker 3: it was was also uploaded with metadata that showed it
Speaker 3: was from his congressional office, which he blamed this attorney on.
Speaker 3: That would obviously be in violation of House rules about
Speaker 3: campaign purposes, blaming the attorney for that. The attorneys of
Speaker 3: the metadata had been changed. But oh my goodness, it
Speaker 3: does get worse. Believe it or not, it does get worse.
Speaker 3: We have not yet reached rock bottom. Although if this
Speaker 3: isn't it potentially sharing sexual abuse material of your own
Speaker 3: daughter that two hundred thousand people see, you can never
Speaker 3: erase that from the Internet. I don't know what could
Speaker 3: possibly be even lower than this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Miller's lawyer came out and took the blame
Speaker 2: for this, said, this was all my fault, MAXI. Millar
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with it. I deeply regret it,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But you know, again to your point about
Speaker 2: what is the character of this man at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, certainly this material came from him. How
Speaker 2: do you even you know, how do you put out
Speaker 2: all of these intimate conversations, which again he was secretly recording,
Speaker 2: which is kind of psychotic behavior, and though it was
Speaker 2: technically apparently legal in the state of Ohio, Like, if
Speaker 2: you're secretly recording your loved ones, I think that also
Speaker 2: speaks to a certain behavior and state of mind here
Speaker 2: as well. But you know, it's it speaks to a recklessness,
Speaker 2: at the very least, a lack of regard, a recklessness
Speaker 2: when it comes to his family, his own daughter. And
Speaker 2: you know, you and I were talking yesterday, you were like,
Speaker 2: why does anyone even want a congressional seat this much?
Speaker 5: But you got to think about it.
Speaker 2: For him, his whole his whole career is because of
Speaker 2: this political trajectory. You know, he ends up as an
Speaker 2: intern on Rubio's campaign, and then once Rubio's down it
Speaker 2: and he jumps over to Trump, he ends up as
Speaker 2: part of the the you know, head of the part
Speaker 2: of the Trump's advanced team, ends up as an aid.
Speaker 2: Like everything he has is because of Trump and the
Speaker 2: MAGA movement. So if he drops down in this race, what's.
Speaker 5: He gonna do.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna hire me outside of these abuse allegations. He's
Speaker 2: got you know, some charges on his record too. His
Speaker 2: rap sheet is not clean in terms of past interactions
Speaker 2: with law enforcement, again, including alleged violent behavior, et cetera. Uh,
Speaker 2: driving under the influence. That was another piece that came
Speaker 2: up in the Tapper interview. That was, you know, he
Speaker 2: didn't exactly handle terribly well with regard to allegations of
Speaker 2: use of illegal drugs. So, you know, I think for him,
Speaker 2: it's kind of he feels like he's got no other choice.
Speaker 2: So even though you are likely doing Republicans in this seat,
Speaker 2: He's going to go for it in the off chance
Speaker 2: that he can hold on, because what else are you
Speaker 2: going to do with his life?
Speaker 3: You know, whatever the truth is, he decided to put
Speaker 3: his family through this by releasing the drop box. I
Speaker 3: get that he was you know, say, let's even grant him.
Speaker 3: Let's say he was potentially being falsely accused to put
Speaker 3: the dropbacks out there with images of your child, to
Speaker 3: just drag your child through the mud one day in
Speaker 3: a way they're actually going to be able to see
Speaker 3: when they're old enough. It is so so disgusting. It's
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope that there's a swift conclusion to
Speaker 3: this and he drops out. But it's not looking like
Speaker 3: that's going to be the case at all, Crystal.
Speaker 2: No, today's the last day. John Thune got asked about it.
Speaker 2: He said, it's a family matter. Don't have any observations
Speaker 2: beyond that. I saw Mike Johnson got asked by a
Speaker 2: congressional reporter this morning. He's standing by him. Yeah, Jim
Speaker 2: Jordan's colleague, saying he's a great guy. You know, Trump
Speaker 2: could have pulled the plug on him, but instead he
Speaker 2: just decided to have this behind the scenes conversation which
Speaker 2: was apparently not persuasive.
Speaker 5: So there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Republicans publicly outside of Bernie Morino, Republicans standing by
Speaker 2: their man.
Speaker 3: Gross after well we covered this last week, but gross
Speaker 3: after exactly what just went down with Graham Plattner and
Speaker 3: how eager Republicans were to revel in the Platiner dem problems.
Speaker 3: You know, Casey Hunt nailed Jim Jordan on that one.
Speaker 3: It was pretty impossible for him to squirm out of it.
Speaker 3: It's you're right, Trump could endless in a second, but
Speaker 3: choosing not to.
Speaker 5: Yep, there you go.
Speaker 3: More drama though, at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Let's go
Speaker 3: to our next segment on Trump's really brutal infighting with
Speaker 3: Janine Piro. Trump is in a major fight with his
Speaker 3: own US Attorney for the District of Columbia, one Jeanine Piro,
Speaker 3: a longtime friend and allies of Donald Trump, by the way,
Speaker 3: one of the most vocal defenders of Donald Trump for
Speaker 3: the last decade on Fox News, one of the most
Speaker 3: vocal defenders of him in the media, and obviously, of course,
Speaker 3: now his US attorney for the District of Columbia in
Speaker 3: a pretty high profile position, powerful position as he makes
Speaker 3: cleaning up DC a centerpiece of his second administration, or
Speaker 3: at least his efforts to clean up DC a second
Speaker 3: a centerpiece of his administration. Now, before they had a meeting,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump had some harsh words for Janine Piro, who
Speaker 3: dropped charges against someone alleged to have damage the liner
Speaker 3: of the reflecting pool here in Washington, d C. At
Speaker 3: President is obviously furious with Janine Pierro about that. Let's
Speaker 3: take a listen to him in the Oval office. I
Speaker 3: think this was Monday f one.
Speaker 9: I won't say what was on the sidewalk but hor horrible, horrible,
Speaker 9: disgusting set. And not only did we fix it, we
Speaker 9: have military standing there watching it, and if any he
Speaker 9: touches it, we That was the one mistake with the
Speaker 9: reflecting plant. They hadn't put up the cameras yet.
Speaker 11: They had enough up because you see what's happening.
Speaker 9: But if they would have had them up, we would
Speaker 9: have had a lot of it would have been a
Speaker 9: lot easier.
Speaker 11: And I was disappointed with Janney Biro, really disappointed with
Speaker 11: janneied Pierrot. She folded like an umbrella, and people get
Speaker 11: away with things and it's a disgrace.
Speaker 3: Okay, really disappointed. Now if we tossed them folded like
Speaker 3: an umbrella, Yeah, full of like an umbrella. That's the quote.
Speaker 3: Now she choked, I think is the other thing that
Speaker 3: he said. Now we can put this in pr tear
Speaker 3: shoot up on the screen they're reporting. The federal government
Speaker 3: dropped charges against three individuals in connection with damage to
Speaker 3: the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool for their wakening. Trump's argument
Speaker 3: was the work of vandals, but her prosecutors moved to
Speaker 3: drop the vandalism case against former Olympic canoist David Hearn
Speaker 3: on Friday, abruptly changing course after arguing four months that
Speaker 3: he had taken a piece of the Lincoln Memorial reflecting
Speaker 3: pools new fourteen million dollars a line. A judge could
Speaker 3: rule on that motion at a hearing schedule for Thursday.
Speaker 3: According to Hearn's lawyers, the US Attorney's Office for the
Speaker 3: District of Columbia, Piro's office wrote, given newly released evidence
Speaker 3: from the Department of the Interior, quote is difficult to
Speaker 3: attribute the widespread damage to the reflecting pool to vandalism,
Speaker 3: let alone to establish that fact beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3: Piro's office is blaming a quote unquote botched installation by
Speaker 3: President Trump's hand picked contractor. So Doug Burgham and Donald
Speaker 3: Trump are absolutely insistent that this was vandalism first and foremost.
Speaker 3: The problem with the reflecting pool is vandalism. Piro's office,
Speaker 3: who actually had to make this stick in a court
Speaker 3: of law, is saying we can't prove that, certainly can't
Speaker 3: prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, dropping the charges. Trump
Speaker 3: is clearly very upset about that. Now, if we put
Speaker 3: the CNN tear sheet up on the screen, CNN is
Speaker 3: reporting that she did not offer her resignation in a
Speaker 3: meeting they had at the White House at if this
Speaker 3: was yesterday, and then Trump also declined to outright fire her,
Speaker 3: so this was this was actually Monday. They're reporting that
Speaker 3: he had been considering removing her after the Justice Apartment
Speaker 3: concluded that the problems with the pool stemmed from a
Speaker 3: flawed renovation rather than vandalism. That's according to two people
Speaker 3: familiar with his thinking. Also, according to the SoundBite you
Speaker 3: all just heard of him openly laying into one of
Speaker 3: his closest, longtime allies in the Oval office, saying she
Speaker 3: folded like an umbrella. Shortly after actually that sound bite,
Speaker 3: Trump met at the White House with both Pierro and
Speaker 3: Doug Burgham, according to the CNN report, and they had
Speaker 3: a kind of a it came to a head, let's
Speaker 3: just put it that way, a blow up over what
Speaker 3: the actual truth was. And Trump is saying that the
Speaker 3: filing quote blindsided him. He didn't know beforehand that Piro
Speaker 3: was going to drop those charges and was very upset
Speaker 3: about that. But Crystal, uh, he is obsessed with a
Speaker 3: reflecting pull to the point where one of his longest allies,
Speaker 3: one of his most intense allies, the last decade, he's
Speaker 3: furious with her, and Jeanine Pierro is loyal to Trump
Speaker 3: beyond almost anything else. She's loyal to Trump. They have
Speaker 3: been pleased with her except for maybe the sandwich case,
Speaker 3: the subway sandwich case. They've been pleased with her here
Speaker 3: in DC. But man, she couldn't make the chargestick and
Speaker 3: that's not good enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if like, Janine Pierro is probably the
Speaker 2: closest thing that you're going to get to like a
Speaker 2: female Trump.
Speaker 5: I met her before, I've been on her show.
Speaker 2: Like the vibes are very sim of both these like
Speaker 2: brass New Yorkers. I mean, one major difference is Trump
Speaker 2: is a teetotally. He doesn't drink at all, and that's
Speaker 2: definitely not the case.
Speaker 5: For Jeanine Pierro.
Speaker 2: But they have a lot of very similar personality traits
Speaker 2: and she has been completely loyal to him. And she also,
Speaker 2: you know, she's another way and doesn't she doesn't have
Speaker 2: all that much of like a rock solid ideology, so
Speaker 2: it makes it easier for her to just go in
Speaker 2: whatever direction he wants to go in at the time.
Speaker 2: You also could be forgiven for her thinking that it'd
Speaker 2: be no big deal if after pressing these charges she
Speaker 2: then turned around and dropped it, because that has been
Speaker 2: the story of this Trump administry.
Speaker 5: She brought up the subway sandwich case.
Speaker 2: Just as a reminder for people, as a guy who
Speaker 2: threw his sub at what it was like an ICE
Speaker 2: agent and they said, he's, you know, felony assault charges
Speaker 2: that ends up. I actually think a grand jury wouldn't
Speaker 2: indict him, is what happened there. New York Times had
Speaker 2: a whole analysis of all of the charges that have
Speaker 2: been filed against people who are alleged to have assaulted
Speaker 2: ICE agents or other immigration officers. Out of the five
Speaker 2: hundred plus instances of charges, only four have been found guilty.
Speaker 2: In most instances the charge. In many instances, the charges
Speaker 2: are just completely dropped because when they dig into the substance,
Speaker 2: they realize, I can't make this case in a court
Speaker 2: of law. It is one thing to tweet something out
Speaker 2: and have a press conference. It is another thing to
Speaker 2: actually establish a fact pattern that is going to lead
Speaker 2: to a guilty verdict or at least a plea deal.
Speaker 2: And so clearly she looked at this, It's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this the truth of the matter is, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: We're not going to be able to make the stick.
Speaker 2: Let's just quietly walk away from it. But Trump wants
Speaker 2: her to invent a totally different reality, which is not
Speaker 2: something she's capable of. So it's very easy for Doug Bergham,
Speaker 2: who doesn't have to go and present a case in court,
Speaker 2: to say, oh, yes, sir, of course it was vandals.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the fact that it was rushed and the
Speaker 2: whole thing was botched and you gave it to a
Speaker 2: contractor who's a buddy of yours through some corrupt deal.
Speaker 2: It was definitely these left wing radical vandals that caused
Speaker 2: the problem. It's just such a perfect story of the
Speaker 2: Trump administration. It really has all of the levels here
Speaker 2: because to your point, Emily about the like, is even
Speaker 2: the most loyal person if you aren't able to, you know,
Speaker 2: invent a reality, do something that's completely insane, sacrifice yourself
Speaker 2: on the altar of trump Ism, like, eventually it comes
Speaker 2: a point where you just can't give him what he
Speaker 2: wants because reality is in conflict with it.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and on a serious note, there's been a
Speaker 3: lot of speculation that one of the reasons Trump launched
Speaker 3: the Iran War. One of the many reasons, but one
Speaker 3: of them is that when you get frustrated on a
Speaker 3: domestic policy front, just psychologically as a leader and politically
Speaker 3: as a leader, it becomes tempting to sort of lean
Speaker 3: into the things that you have almost total control of,
Speaker 3: rightfully or wrongfully, meaning foreign policy in particular. And that
Speaker 3: sounds like maybe an odd connection, but it's just to
Speaker 3: say that he's really clearly very frustrated on the domestic front,
Speaker 3: and he feels like he can exercise almost total control
Speaker 3: here in Washington, d C. Still moving ahead with the
Speaker 3: arch plans, moving ahead with basically everything that he wants
Speaker 3: to do at the White House, if you've seen pictures
Speaker 3: of the helipad that's in progress right now, changing what
Speaker 3: the south lawn looks like. And even here in DC,
Speaker 3: if he's not able to kind of exert his will,
Speaker 3: you see his frustrations bubble up with somebody who's been
Speaker 3: a longtime friend and ally, to the point where he
Speaker 3: considers firing his pick for US Attorney for the District
Speaker 3: of Columbia, Jeanine Pirou, and lashing out really brutally from
Speaker 3: the Oval Office. So it is all to say that
Speaker 3: you do since with him, genuine frustration, not this kind
Speaker 3: of nonsense palace intrigue that we used to get during
Speaker 3: the first Trump administration about oh, how he's frustrated with
Speaker 3: this person and this person, and it was a new
Speaker 3: person every day, and it was a fresh cycle every day.
Speaker 3: But now I think there's palpably a deep and obvious
Speaker 3: frustration he has with what even his loyalists, not being
Speaker 3: able to kind of exert his own will when he
Speaker 3: thinks it's most possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's to tell if you want to get
Speaker 2: at him, like this is something he actually cares about,
Speaker 2: as stupid as it is, which is why he made
Speaker 2: a big deal out of it to begin with, and
Speaker 2: talking about the ballroom all the time, like these are
Speaker 2: the things that he actually cares about. So, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the right wing pushbacks on the reflecting pool coverage,
Speaker 2: which you know in general would be fair, is like, well,
Speaker 2: why do we care about this? There's so many more
Speaker 2: important things, true, But Trump is the one who did
Speaker 2: a whole thing about the reflecting pool and like drove
Speaker 2: his convoy through it, and you had all these right
Speaker 2: wing influencers going and talk ya, Oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: so amazing, it's so beautiful, the new paint job, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. So then when it doesn't go well, you
Speaker 2: don't get to turn around and be like, why are
Speaker 2: you guys even talking about this? It's you know, it
Speaker 2: shows you this is a path to get under his skin,
Speaker 2: which many people in the country would like to do.
Speaker 2: There was one more element that you added to this, Emily,
Speaker 2: that is kind of shocking to me actually, was put
Speaker 2: this last piece up on the screen from the BBC.
Speaker 5: Apparently the UFC.
Speaker 2: Lost like thirty million dollars on their White House Lawn
Speaker 2: cage match situation, the Freedom two fifty event at the
Speaker 2: White House. It says they lost thirty million staging this.
Speaker 2: Despite the one off events losses which UFC expected, they
Speaker 2: still saw an increase of revenue for the second quarter
Speaker 2: and estimated forty three hundred people, including President Trump and
Speaker 2: Vice President Jamie Vance, were present for the invite only
Speaker 2: event on the South Lawn. Tickets were not sold to
Speaker 2: the general public, and initial costs were predicted to be
Speaker 2: more than sixty million. However, they were able to recoup
Speaker 2: some of that money through sponsorships, media exposure, and other partnerships.
Speaker 2: So I guess they saw this as kind of number
Speaker 2: one a loss leader, in that they could attract attention
Speaker 2: and bring more people into the brand overall through how
Speaker 2: highly publicized this was. But more importantly, Dana and White
Speaker 2: and Trump were obviously longtime friends pre dating Trump's latest
Speaker 2: political era. And it's good for any company in America
Speaker 2: to be on the on the good side of the king.
Speaker 2: So when they think that will inor to their benefit,
Speaker 2: and so that's part of the calculus here too.
Speaker 3: They say their revenue is up for the second quarter
Speaker 3: despite that thirty million dollar loss at the UFC White
Speaker 3: House event, So I guess maybe branding and exposure did
Speaker 3: its its job in that case. But the entire thing,
Speaker 3: I mean never worth leaving out was World Liberty Financial
Speaker 3: was one of the sponsors, which is Trump's son's company,
Speaker 3: which has benefited Trump himself. So it turned into a
Speaker 3: massive grift, not particularly surprising, but worth mentioning on that front.
Speaker 3: By the way, I should mention about the reflecting pool.
Speaker 3: I think on a Friday show I was bullish about
Speaker 3: the reflecting pool. Really, Oh, I'm more than happy to
Speaker 3: take an l on it, but it is true that
Speaker 3: there's a better way to do the reflecting pool, and
Speaker 3: that it was so bad and gross. Now it's even
Speaker 3: worse and more gross, and it's fenced off.
Speaker 5: So you were Emily was reflecting pool curious. It was.
Speaker 2: She was open minded, and yet Trump has devastated her
Speaker 2: and just deeply disappointed her with this shoddy, corrupt job
Speaker 2: that was done here.
Speaker 3: I am, like Janine Piro, forced to admit that Emperor
Speaker 3: Trump could not repair the reflecting pool. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: was cautiously optimistic that they might be able to do
Speaker 3: something slightly better, and in fact, it seems like it
Speaker 3: got significantly worse. Union Stasia looks great ish. It's not
Speaker 3: as good as they say it is, but it's better. Said.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be that hard though, to be honest, it
Speaker 3: really shouldn't be that hard when you're Trump and you're
Speaker 3: just like bulldozing shit.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if he was going to be able
Speaker 2: to do anything, well, you would think it would be renovation.
Speaker 3: That's yes, yep, that's right, and here we are. So
Speaker 3: I'm happy to take an l on it. But we
Speaker 3: will continue to monitor the reflecting pool situation. I have
Speaker 3: no fear. We will be watching and reporting back to
Speaker 3: on the progress or lack thereof.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, we'll be Ryan and Sager tomorrow. I've done,
Speaker 2: I've done enough for now.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: More caffeine. I'm not a late night person. It's really
Speaker 2: brutal for me. I know everybody feels very sorry for me. Detroit,
Speaker 2: and you need to get your act together with this
Speaker 2: vote counting situation.
Speaker 5: That was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But anyway, you'll have a bro show to look forward to,
Speaker 2: and then we got a great Friday show. I'm sure
Speaker 2: we'll have some fun things cooked up for then. So
Speaker 2: Emily and I will see you guys. Then, everybody, have
Speaker 2: a great day.