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Speaker 1: to the sound system. You know, if I put you,

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Speaker 1: Could you? I met Mark levin Sin's operations outside of

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Speaker 1: And just as I thought, he could ide the car blindfolded,

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Speaker 1: the LA specifically, guess what would be the cube? In

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Speaker 1: other words, what song would he use to be absolutely

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Speaker 1: sure he was sitting in Alexis. So I have worked

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Speaker 1: from Alexis and Pushkin Industries. This is go and see

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Speaker 1: our podcast about what makes Alexis Alexis. This is our

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Speaker 1: final episode, number six out of six. We have explored

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Speaker 1: I asked Brad for his signature song, because by this point,

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Speaker 1: Which brings us back to Mark Levinson and Brad Hom's

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