1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's sound on 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: we need world wide effort to invest in transformative clean 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: energy projects. President is important, but sometimes President Bloomberg's sound 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: on politics, policy, and perspective from DC's top names. They 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: literally rolled back a right that women have enjoyed for 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: half a century. Why change the topic right? Why Why 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: get off into a social war around issues like abortion? 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: The number one issue in most households is is in place? 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: To Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: State laws are changing in the wake of the row. 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Ruling Democrats in Washington say they are pursuing legislation of 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: their own. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics as 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: we follow the evolving legal and political sides of the 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: story in a conversation ahead with Kathy Jennings, the Attorney 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: general for the state of Delaware, which has already moved 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: legislation in the wake of Friday's decision, and we'll have 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: analysis from our panel of course, Bloomberg Politics contributor Democratic 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: analyst Ginnie Schanzano along today with Republican strategist Doug High, 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: the former communications director for the Republican National Committee, Vladimir 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Putin targets Keyev with missile strikes, just as President Biden 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: arrives in Europe for the G seven. We'll talk about 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: the mission for these meetings, how much patience the world 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: has for a protracted war in Ukraine. With Daniel Freed, 24 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: former ambassador to Poland, now with the Atlantic Council, Nancy 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Pelosi puts pen to paper another letter to the Caucus, 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: this time, of course, in the wake of the Supreme 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: Court ruling on Friday, saying the Chamber, the Democrats, at 28 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: least in the Chamber, are going to pursue legislation to 29 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: protect personal data stored on health apps and to ensure 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: the right to free travel between states, as well to 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: codify the rights to an abortion. That might be a 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: heavier lift. We'll see if any of them can see 33 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: the light of day. While states, of course, conduct some 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: of their own business here, and one of them is Delaware. 35 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: As we told you, we're going to be speaking with 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: the Attorney General. On Friday, the day of the ruling, 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: the Delaware House passed a bill strengthening abortion rights and 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: women's health in the state. It's going to the Senate. Now. 39 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: One of many states actually moving legislation in the wake 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: of the ruling on Friday, and we're joined now by 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: Kathy Jennings, the Attorney General of the state of Delaware. 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Attorney General, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time today. 43 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: We just want to get a sense of to start 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: off with the conversation that's happening behind the scenes. Why 45 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: do you need new legislation if it's already legal to 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: get an abortion in Delaware. Well, thank you Joe for 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: having me, and we needed new legislation which will sail 48 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: through its final stage in the Senate for the following reason. 49 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: Delaware has had Roe v. Wade Um as our law 50 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: of the state for going on three years now, and 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: we have protected people's access to abortion in this state 52 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: as well as decriminalizing the crime of abortion in our state, 53 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: which means it no longer exists as a crime in Delaware. 54 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: We've also expanded access to abortion services by expanding the 55 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: categories of medical providers who can provide those services. This 56 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: newest legislation goes even further to protect women who come 57 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: to our state to seek an abortion, as well as 58 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: providers who provide that service to women from other states. 59 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: What do we say, when we mean that, what kind 60 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: of protections? Sure, So the protections are as follows. Women 61 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: who come to our state to seek an abortion may 62 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: in fact criminal prosecution in their own state, or providers 63 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: who provide those services in our state could potentially face 64 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: criminal prosecution depending on the laws of the states that 65 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: have done away with Roe v. Wade as a protection 66 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: and have criminalized We know that as we speak, as 67 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: many as eleven states have either made it illegal automatically 68 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: or have heavily regulated it. And so we need to 69 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: make sure that Delaware is not only a safe place 70 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: to receive an abortion, but the providers are protected here. 71 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: And how do you then affect the laws of another 72 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: state if they want to, for instance, charge someone upon 73 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: their return, how does Delaware get involved in that? So, 74 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: if the provider in Delaware provides the abortion services, that 75 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: provider cannot be extradited to a state that wants to prosecute. Okay, 76 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: how about the patient and the patient we believe has 77 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: an absolute right to travel to our state under our constitution, 78 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: and we will protect that right. That is where I 79 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: believe that that Democratic attorneys general across the country can 80 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: band together and bring a lawsuit against any state that 81 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: seeks to restrict the right of that patient to travel 82 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: to a state when services understood. How about when it 83 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: comes to medication, This is going to be a big 84 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: part of the debate across the country. I realize it's 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: not an issue in Delaware, but but it may be 86 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: uh in other states. Is it something that you would 87 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: preemptively act on in your state to protect access to 88 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: medication by mail? Yes? Absolutely. We want to protect all 89 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: forms of medication assisted abortion in our state and we 90 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: will continue to do that. And we want to make 91 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: sure that in Delaware, in our small state of Delaware, 92 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: that we have expanded access um so that people who 93 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: do come here can receive an abortion and do it 94 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: not only in a safe manner, but expeditiously as well. 95 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: And so I've convened a group of providers and advocates 96 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: throughout our state to talk about these very issues. How 97 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: do we protect and make sure that abortion in Delaware 98 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: is guaranteed safe and expeditious. Do you I don't know 99 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: if you use the term sanctuary state. I'm assuming that 100 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: you do not as as an office holder in Delaware, 101 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: but that's what people are calling this. Stephen, do you 102 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: want Delaware to have that reputation that if if you 103 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: need this type of service, our doors are open. We 104 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: want you to come here. Absolutely, we are an access state, 105 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: and when you come here, we want to ensure that 106 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: it's safe for you to be here, that you are protected, 107 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: and that you have full access to the array of 108 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: abortion services that Delaware offers. We are not going to 109 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: see this, this stunning reversal of a constitutional right that's 110 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: been in existence for fifty years go away anytime soon. Yeah. Well, 111 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: how about the right of interstate travel, because we started 112 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: our conversation talking about people coming in from out of state. 113 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: Is the constitutional right of interstate travel under threat? You 114 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: think that it may be. For instance, when you hear 115 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: President Biden talk about using the full authority of the 116 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: White House to to try to keep that from changing. 117 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: I was so proud when I heard that said by 118 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: our president because it's critically important, as he said, that 119 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: the federal government play a role in protecting that constitutional 120 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: right to travel, because that's what's going to happen to 121 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: women who are in states that now outlaw abortion. They 122 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: will have to travel to seek access to that service, 123 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: and so the federal government will will do everything in 124 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: its power to ensure that people can safely travel to 125 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: an access abortion protected state, and the state governments that 126 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: stand up for abortion rights will also protect that right. 127 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: You heard me mentioned Nancy Pelosi coming into this conversation. 128 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: We've heard from the leadership in Washington, and it is 129 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: somewhat predictable, but Nancy Pelosi says Democrats will pursue legislation 130 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: which a lot of people have written off because I'm 131 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: assuming it would have trouble, if if any chance, right now, 132 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: passing the Senate. But is there something that Washington can 133 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: do to back up what you're doing the support of 134 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: the capital here for Delaware. I think it's critically important 135 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: for Congress to act, and I applaud how Speaker Nancy 136 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: Pelosi as I always do, because she's brave and she's 137 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: undaunted in her courage to go forward with how on 138 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: codifying the right to an abortion or for instance, protecting 139 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: personal data on health apps, which is something that apparently 140 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: we're going to be debated as well. Protecting that personal 141 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: data will be critical because you can bet that in 142 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: states where abortion is illegal, there will be attempts to 143 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: get at patients private medical records and like Delaware. That 144 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: should be protected throughout our country. The right to travel 145 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: should be protected. And I know that that Speaker Pelosi 146 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: intends to introduce a bill that protects that right. And 147 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: I should mention that Justice Cavanaugh, who agreed with the majority, 148 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: who joined the majority opinion, even he said in his 149 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: concurring opinion that he believed that women should have the 150 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: right to travel under our constitution. We're talking with the 151 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: Attorney General of the state of Delaware, Kathy Jennings here 152 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. As you step back from this as 153 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: as the top law enforcement official in the state of Delaware, 154 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: and you look at what's going to be a very 155 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: complicated path to work. We're talking about the laws in 156 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: your state. They're going to be very different laws in 157 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: other states. There's going to be a lot of confusion, 158 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of lawsuits, a lot 159 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: of people could get in trouble here. How are you 160 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: thinking about this from a rational law enforcement standpoint? I 161 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: am the top law officer in my state, as many 162 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: attorneys general throughout the country are. We have succeeded when 163 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: we ban together to fight for the rights of people 164 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: who live in our states, we will get through this, 165 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: and we will protect women in our country. It's going 166 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: to take all of us acting together, acting in concert, 167 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: to protect what we have always taken for granted as 168 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: a constitutional right. You have to work with other states, 169 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: though you can't obviously be making enemies of other state governments. Here, 170 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: How does how does this uh, this this cooperation take 171 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: place with with you welcoming people from other states but 172 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: also continuing to be part of this union. We are 173 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: a country that is divided, and this issue divides us 174 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: in a very deep way. I can't remember a time 175 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: when the Supreme Court of the United States took away 176 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: a right that for almost fifty years have been guaranteed 177 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: in our constitution. And we're gonna do everything in our 178 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: arsenal to protect those rights within our states and protect 179 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: people who come to the States. Kathy Jennings Delawares, Attorney General, 180 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: we thank you for your thoughts today on Bloomberg Radio, 181 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: This is Sound on the fastest hour in Politics. I'm 182 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew, not in Washington today, but coming to you 183 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg World headquarters in New York. We turned to 184 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: the panel next to seek some balance here with Jeanie Chanzano. 185 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: Today along with Republican strategists and former Deputy Chief staff 186 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: to Rik Canter, former r n C communications director Doug 187 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: high Back with us. Coming up next, we'll check traffic 188 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: and markets for you to This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg, 189 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: So No with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio and a 190 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: big what Now in Washington as lawmakers try to figure 191 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: their role following the Supreme Court ruling on Roe v. 192 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: Wade Friday, Listen to Senator Elizabeth Warren before we assemble 193 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: the panel. She was among the lawmakers making the rounds 194 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: over the weekend the Sunday News shows. In this case 195 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: ABC this week, the senator from Massachusetts says she's considered 196 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: going to President Biden to find out exactly what the 197 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: federal government can do to help in this case. Is 198 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: not not the state view, but the federal view. Here's 199 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Senator Warrnt. It also means asking the President of the 200 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: United States to make abortion as available as possible with 201 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: the tools he has, including medication abortion, including using federal 202 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: lands as a place where abortions can occur. This is 203 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: where we begin with our paneled Bloomberg Politics contributor, Democratic 204 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: analyst Jennie Chanzano along with Doug Hies back with us today, 205 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: Republican strategist, former deputy chief of staff to Erik Cantor, 206 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: and former calms director at the Republican National Committee. Great 207 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: to have both of you with us here. Genie, we've 208 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: been talking about this, of course since Friday, and now 209 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: that you're hearing Senator Warren throw a few ideas around there, 210 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: for instance, as you just heard, using federal lands as 211 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: an option, but also the idea of medication abortion, codifying 212 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: that somehow in law, Washington's role may not be over here, right, 213 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: at least before something greater can happen. Yeah, you know, 214 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: we're hearing from both the Democrats and the Republicans, and 215 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: so Elizabeth Warren one of many Democrats who's calling on 216 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: the Biden administration to explore those things you you mentioned, 217 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: also to potentially providing travel vouchers for women seeking abortions 218 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: to travel the states where they are legal. And you know, 219 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: you hear Ron Wide and Jeff Merkley a whole group 220 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: of them, because they really want an all hands on 221 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: approach by the federal government. Of course, on the flip side, 222 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: you're hearing from Republicans as well. We heard from former 223 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: Vice President Mike Penn's talking about potentially a law of 224 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: the land if Republicans take Washington that would ban abortion outright. 225 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: And we've heard that from House members as well. So 226 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, we are hearing Washington talk about these ideas 227 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: and options. The question, as always, can the federal government 228 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: deliver on you know, Congress and or the administration. And 229 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, we have to go back to what President 230 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: Biden said about this and guns, is that he doesn't 231 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of options at his disposal because his 232 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: power is limited to a certain extent. Doug, it's good 233 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: to have you back. We have a story on the 234 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: terminal today, the headlined anti abortion movement divided, a movement 235 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: described in this piece by the president of the Human 236 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: Coalition as thousands of organizations that have very different missions. 237 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: What ex acthlete does the Republican Party do with this ruling? Now, well, 238 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: it's it's unclear. There are a lot of directions that 239 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, the party can do nationally. Obviously, state parties 240 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: are going to do different things in different states. So 241 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: while you know, a lot of repup yes, yes, um, well, 242 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: in Washington right now, you know, the RNC is still 243 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: right now in a wait and c mode, and they 244 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: are in a wait and see mode to see what 245 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: what Biden the Democrats do, what Republican governors are going 246 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: to offer as things that they could try and move 247 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: on a national model. But you also have a you know, 248 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: a divide, if not a divide, a disagreement in opinion 249 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: between you know, Mike Pents as you mentioned, who wants 250 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: to push a national abortion law, and Mitch McConnell, who 251 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: says that he doesn't want to do so. And I'll 252 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: tell you two things. One, I've just read that Kamala 253 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: Harris has taken the the idea of using federal lands 254 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: off the table um. But I'm also surprised that Democrats 255 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: have never codified roe versus weight in the law. With 256 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: a you know, with a majority the Holsing Senate right 257 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: now and a Democratic president, you would think that would 258 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: be one of the things they'd be trying to do. Yeah, 259 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: that's for sure, Genie. There's so many different ways to 260 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: to look at this, uh and and so few options, 261 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: it seems in Washington. I mean, are we really talking 262 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: about legislation that would get through the Senate on providing 263 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: public lands, for instance, for abortions. Yeah, I think it'd 264 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: be very tough to get anything along those lines through 265 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: the Senate right now. And you know, it's it's interesting, 266 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: you know what Doug was just talking about. There was 267 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: also Asa Hutchinson over the weekend, you know, putting himself 268 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: in opposition to somebody like Mike Pence saying, you know, look, guys, 269 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: we fought for a federal approach to this for so long. 270 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: Let's not move at nationals. So you're getting a break 271 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: within the parties as well. And I think the reality 272 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: of all of this is that we have this patchwork 273 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: approach to this now and the people who are on 274 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: the losing end are the women in need of services 275 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: who you know, it depends on where they're living and 276 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: how much money they have and what kind of access 277 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: they have, what kind of rights they have, and that's gonna, 278 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: you know, at the very least, lead to a host 279 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: of litigation depending on what the states and if the 280 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: federal government can act what it does as well. Senator 281 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: MS McConnell talked about this he's done in Washington is 282 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: actually down in Kentucky at the Old Rotary Club lunch 283 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: in Florence, is where this conversation took place. Speaking to 284 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: the idea of legislation at the federal level to codify 285 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: abortion law, Here's what he said. Neither side of this 286 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: issue has come anywhere close to having so I think 287 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: this is likely all be litigated out dealt with in 288 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: the various states around the country through the democratic process, 289 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: and Doug, if that's what the minority leader says, that's 290 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: what happens, right, Yeah, absolutely, But there's also there's the 291 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: policy fight, and there's the political fight, and you know, 292 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: before the Supreme Court announcement on Thursday, every addiction was 293 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: essentially it's going to be a big election year for Republicans. 294 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Now we're starting to ask questions of whether or not 295 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: that that's going to be true or not. And I 296 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: think the honest answer right now is probably so, but 297 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: we're not sure. Um, but Democrats will need to have 298 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: things to talk about in the upcoming elections that aren't 299 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: about inflation, rising crime and the border. This is an 300 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: opportunity for them, and you know, a lot of the 301 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of what we're hearing is crying 302 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: out for Biden in the administration to do more. You're 303 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: not hearing a lot of what Democratic members of Congress 304 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: and senators are going to want to do, and they're 305 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: the ones who are on the ballots. Doug Hi, Genie 306 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: Schanzano our panel on a Monday. I'm Joel Matthew. This 307 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg, the headline on our G seven latest on 308 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: the terminal. Zelenski tells leaders aid will be needed long term, 309 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: and it looks like he's going to be getting it. 310 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: Not only the declaration that I mentioned pledging support for 311 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: his government in this war effort for quote as long 312 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: as it takes unquote, but we already know of a 313 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: specific weapons package that is on the way. Ukraine right 314 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: now cannot defend itself against all the missiles that are 315 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: coming in from Russia, and so Zelenski. President Zelenski actually 316 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: spoke to the leaders of the G seven nations today 317 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: by video link from Kiev, which was struck over the 318 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: weekend by a Russian missile attack the capital of Kiev. 319 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: And so we're gonna be sending apparently some much more 320 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: effective missile defense systems over something that Jake Sullivan talked about, 321 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: the National Security Director here he is at the top 322 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: of his mind, was the set of missile strikes that 323 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: took place in Kiev and other cities across Ukraine, and 324 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: his desire to get additional air defense capabilities that could 325 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: shoot down Russian missiles out of the sky, and he will. 326 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: According to Sullivan, Senior National Security Advisor, we're sending medium 327 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: to long range weapons systems. Specifically, these are missile defense 328 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: systems that will apparently help Ukraine in the fight. Here 329 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: as Zelenski tells the G seven that he wants the 330 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: war to be over by the end of the year. 331 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: We're joined now by Daniel Freed, former Ambassador to Poland, 332 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: has been a very reliable voice and generous to share 333 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: insights with us since the beginning of this war. Former 334 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: Assistant Secretary of State for Europe. Now Wiser Family, distinguished 335 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: fellow at the Atlantic Council. UH, Ambassador, it's great to 336 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: have you back. Well, this new weapons package make a difference. 337 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: We're starting to give them so many now it's hard 338 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: to keep track of them all. It's an advanced surface 339 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: to air missile system. It will help the Ukrainians defend themselves. 340 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: Today you had missiles, Russian missile strikes on civilian targets. 341 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: They hit a shopping center, trapping, killing a lot of civilians. 342 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: This is ugly business. The Russians are using basic terror 343 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: to try to force Ukraine to surrender. The Ukrainians won't, 344 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: and the G seven have backed them. I'm glad that 345 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: we're sending them the sophisticated systems. This weapon system by 346 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: itself won't turn the tide. But if you add up 347 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: everything we're sending them, the Ukrainians have a chance on 348 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: the battlefield. They're resisting and they can prevail. What is 349 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: for as long as it takes means is that the 350 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: same as a blank check, Ambassador, and it's not a 351 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: blank check. But what that means is we're not about 352 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: to let Putin simply outweighed us. There's this sense sometimes 353 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: in the West, certainly in Russia, the Russians have infinite 354 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: patients and we have a short attention span. Therefore, they 355 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: can win by just sitting tight. The G seven was 356 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: saying to Putin not so fast. We also can stick 357 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: to a policy. Look, this is not going to be 358 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: over in weeks. We need to mean what we say 359 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: when we say that the Ukrainians are fighting our our fight, 360 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: in the fighting against an aggressive dictator. We need to 361 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: mean that we need to help them. It's not a 362 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: blank check in the sense that President Biden has drawn 363 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: a hard line saying no US troops in Ukraine fighting 364 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: over Ukraine, but a blank check presumably for defensive weapons 365 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: and assistants. I I just wonder your thoughts on a 366 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: war fatigue. It's something that I've been asking everyone today 367 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: coming off of last week, that the nation's attention was 368 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: was drawn, of course, to a series of Supreme Court rulings. 369 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: We're dealing with historic high inflation, We're going into a 370 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: mid term election cycle at the same time. How long 371 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: do you expect Americans to support sending billions and billions 372 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: to Ukraine to support this war effort when we have 373 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: such historically short memories, Ambassador, I wouldn't short change the 374 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: American people or assume that we're as a people irresponsible 375 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: and sort of flighty. I think that Americans know what's 376 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: at stake. I think we will support Ukraine, and I 377 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: think they will. I think Americans, both Republicans and Democrats, 378 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: are ready are ready to do so. But I did 379 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: notice one very interesting sentence in the G seven communicate 380 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: UH buried near the end, there was a sentence G 381 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: seven is going to think about using some of the 382 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollars of frozen Russian reserves that we've 383 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: locked down. And you saw that money for Ukrainian reconstruction 384 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: now that I was waiting for. That didn't mean they've 385 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: decided to use it, but it does mean since you 386 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: raised American needs, I think G seven countries are going 387 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: to be tempted to find a legal and sustainable way 388 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: to do that. Why have taxpayer US taxpayer money go 389 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: to repair the damage Russians have have made when we've 390 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: got we're sitting on three billion dollars of Russian absolutely 391 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: and you know the American people would support it in 392 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: terms of the timeline, Ambassador President, but we could do it. 393 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: The President Zelenski says he wants this over by the 394 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: end of the year. Is that realistic on any level? 395 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: The question is not just whether the Ukrainians can keep 396 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: fighting or whether Western attention span will hold, but whether 397 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: the Russians can keep fighting. They've got a lot of 398 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: problems too. Their military is not in good shape. They've 399 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: got production problems in their military production caused partly by 400 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: US and European sanctions. Their morale isn't good. The Ukrainians 401 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: are fighting for their country. The Russians are fighting for conquests, 402 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: not the same thing. So it's not clear to me 403 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: that Putin can keep this up forever either. He may 404 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: be pushing bluffing, basically saying nothing can stop us, but 405 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: in fact he's got some problems as well. If the 406 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: Ukrainians resist and we help them resist, the Russian offensive 407 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: may run out of steam, in which there can be 408 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: a settlement on much better terms than Putin would prefer. 409 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: The G seven is not NATO, of course, We're headed 410 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: to the NATO meetings later this week, Ambassador, I only 411 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: have thirty seconds left. But is the message the same 412 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: from Joe Biden at the NATO summit as it is 413 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: now at the G seven. I think you'll see the 414 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: President take a strong position on Ukraine. I think you 415 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 1: will see NATO take a strong position to resist Russian 416 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: aggression against all NATO members, and that is something we 417 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: would fight for. So it's been not a decisive week, 418 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: but a strong week for the for freedom, the free 419 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: world in US leadership. Have the review from Daniel Freed, Ambassador, 420 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: Thank you as ever, Daniel Freed here on Bloomberg sound 421 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: on Will reassemble the panel next to get Doug in 422 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: Genie's thoughts on this, as we also have a hearing 423 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: set for tomorrow we didn't know about yesterday. This is Bloomberg. 424 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg, So long with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 425 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: Looks like the NATO summit later on this week will 426 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: be a newsy one, as we were just discussing with 427 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: Ambassador Daniel Freed. The President has a lot to solve here, 428 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: a lot to figure out as he spends time with his, 429 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: of course, fellow leaders in this alliance. And a breaker 430 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: from NBC News here Biden to announced extension of US 431 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: troop presence in Poland. Interesting remembering that it won't be 432 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: everybody here, but some of the increased US troop presence 433 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: in Poland reportedly will be extended here. It's also going 434 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: to mean changes to US deployments in several Baltic nations 435 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: that he authorized ahead of the invasion of Ukraine, I 436 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: think Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. The White House declined to comment 437 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: on the story. Of course, that doesn't start for a 438 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: couple of days here, so we'll be looking for President 439 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 1: Biden to make an announcement along those lines. Later on 440 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: this week in Madrid, still in Germany, the G seven, 441 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: as we reassembled our panel, Genie Chanzy No Democratic analyst, 442 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor and Republican strategist Doug High is back today, 443 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: former communications director at the r n C. You know, Doug, 444 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: They always, well at least used to say or in 445 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: a in a in a non war time, that events 446 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: like these were great for the commander in chief because 447 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: they allowed him to look presidential. President. Biden's had a 448 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: lot of opportunities to do that. Of course over the 449 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: last couple of months. How is this one going optically 450 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: for him? Well, the optics so far, I think I've 451 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: benefited him. Obviously. Democrats are unified um behind Biden. Republicans 452 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: are mixed, but they've been generally um supportive of Biden. 453 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: And he has the benefit of almost universal American support 454 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: for Zelenski, which which certainly helps him as he tries 455 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: to make a cause. But Biden, excuse me, Plutin knows 456 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: his best asset is time, and as you were talking about, 457 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: he is playing as much of a waiting game as 458 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: anything out as anything else, and hoping that he can 459 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: outwagh wait us. The good news is, you know it, 460 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: it appears that the G seven not only remains unified, 461 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: but it is more unified. Just over the actions that 462 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: we've seen over the past couple of days, especially with 463 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: that bombing of the mall Um to be in this 464 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: fight for the long for the long haul and the 465 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: bombing of Kiev, we hadn't seen the capital city targeted 466 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: like that. Uh an apartment block was destroyed, Doug, how 467 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: many more rounds of weapons packages? If that's what we're 468 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna call them? Uh? Do we get here before people 469 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: start questioning spending? I know that's not a popular question 470 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: to ask right now, but as the president gets closer 471 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: to November, if that coincides with people losing patients for 472 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: this effort, that could be a major political story. It is, 473 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: and the short answer is, we don't know, but we're 474 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: starting to see some cracks. Um. We're seeing more Republicans 475 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: opposed additional spending for Ukraine, and we don't know where 476 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: that's going to go. And obviously with a new Congress, 477 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: whatever of that Congress, maybe those questions will only increase. 478 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: What's your thought on this, Genie. I know that's not 479 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: a conversation that a lot of people are having But 480 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: that's why we have it here on Bloomberg. The president 481 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: has to know that this is not endless, even though 482 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: the agreement today the declaration basically says indefinite support here right, 483 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: for as long as it takes. Yeah, it's a critically 484 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: important question. You know, we had Zelinsky talking about, you know, 485 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: wanting the war to be over by the end of 486 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: this year. Um to Doug's point, if the Russians can 487 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: drag this on and this becomes a war of attrition 488 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: and they're trading small winds but there's no knockout punch 489 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: and this thing drags on, there does become a chance 490 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: that there are cracks both in the United States domestically, 491 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: but also in our relationships with NATO and with the EU. 492 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: So that it's critically important, and it does concern me 493 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: a bit that there was an end of the year 494 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 1: sort of discussion um as if this thing could be 495 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: wrapped up. And you know, one of the questions I've 496 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: asked a repeatedly, as you know, is is there a 497 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: political solution here? What is the end of this? This 498 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: is a president who promised not to get us into 499 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: endless war pulled us out of Afghanistan in a in 500 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: a particularly problematic way, and yet now he's involved in 501 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: this proxy war which seems to have no end and 502 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: big costs not just monetarily but for civilians over there, 503 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: and so I think there are real serious questions to 504 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 1: be asked. In the ambassador's point about the infrastructure end 505 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: of this is critically important. They are going to try 506 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: to use that money to rebuild over there, and right 507 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: they should. But you know there's also the President talking 508 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: about this build back Better World, and that's going to 509 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: become another critical component of this infrastructure investment, and that's 510 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: all about addressing China and competing with China. So you know, 511 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: the infrastructure aspect of this is critically important. I don't 512 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: know if I get my head around global infrastructure dog, 513 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: how do you have that conversation right now when we 514 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: can't figure out our own on most days here in 515 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: the US now if it seems an impossible task. Obviously 516 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to tackle some tough questions. But to Genie's point, 517 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have universal agreement within the G seven, 518 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: within NATO. Obviously, France and especially Germany, you know, have 519 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: very different realities when it comes to what you know, 520 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: their energy is, um, what they what products they buy, 521 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: not just not just oil, fertilizer as well. Is a 522 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: major exporter from Russia, you know, into Europe, and so 523 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: they're they're making and will be making different decisions than 524 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: the US are. And that's part of I think where's 525 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: a Lensky wanting maybe hopefully hope, wishful thinking to have 526 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: this conclude by the end of the year. Is based 527 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: on he knows that time is not limitless for him. 528 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: Do either of you think that will happen, Doug, I 529 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: don't think so. But also you know, we we just 530 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: don't know. We hear so much bad news about what's 531 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: happening to Russia. You know. The the question for Prutin is, 532 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, how long can he can he last dangerous 533 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: to get that in people's heads, Genie, to create false 534 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: expectations or false hopes that is done by the end 535 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: of the year. I think those red lines are always important, 536 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: just ask President Obama. You set them and the minute 537 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: they extend there is cause for criticism. And I think 538 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: to your question, you know, it's going to depend whether 539 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: this ends on how much we the United States and 540 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: our allies invest in heavy weapons and all the things 541 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: the ambassador was rightly talking about. And you know, the 542 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: other wrinkle here is imagine we invest and then one 543 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: of these things finds its way across into a NATO country. 544 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: Are we going to respond to that? You know, it's 545 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: a very dangerous game we are playing with this proxy situation. 546 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: Made some tough talk along those lines too. As we 547 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: spend a little bit of time left here with Doug Ingenie, 548 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about something we learned about 549 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: today that fell in our laps, and that's the January 550 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: six hearing we now suddenly have scheduled for tomorrow. Uh, 551 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: this was not supposed to be the case until we 552 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: learned earlier today the committee apparently obtained evidence and witness 553 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: testimony that are compelling members now compelling the leadership of 554 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: the panel to hold a hearing tomorrow. It's going to 555 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: happen at one o'clock in the afternoon from what I understand, 556 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: and interestingly, Doug, they did not announce the witness or 557 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: witnesses in advance, as they have for each hearing until now, 558 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: so there's a bit more I guess, suspense, but certainly 559 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: more questions going into this than we have seen in 560 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: the process so far. Are we're going to get a 561 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: bombshell tomorrow? They're certainly setting the stage for that, and 562 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: very clearly they're reacting to something that that's new. And 563 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that we've learned from this process 564 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: all along, every every hearing that they've had, is the 565 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: committee knows more than we do. And the Committee may 566 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: know more than Donald Trump does, Mark Meadows does, or 567 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: anyone else who's come up in these conversations. So clearly 568 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: they know more than we do, and they've learned something new, 569 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: which makes tomorrow really compelling. Doing you have a sense 570 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: of this genie what you're looking for? I thought we 571 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: were going to take bets on what's going to happen 572 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: and we'll try to see who's right now, you know, 573 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: I think the Committee has done a really smart job 574 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: so far, and this surprise hearing stunned me today. And 575 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure so many people who wouldn't they want to 576 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: announce the genie. Does that mean a lawmaker? Does that 577 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: mean a former Trump official or family member? It could 578 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: you know. I said my bet would be on this 579 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: documentary filmmaker Alex Holder as one of those people who 580 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: may appear I don't know why they wouldn't announce him 581 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: in advance though, to your point, Um, But you know, 582 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: Benny Thompson at the end of all of these hearings 583 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: has been announcing, you know, keep sending us material and 584 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: from what we understand, they have been receiving it. Very 585 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: bad news for Donald Trump, because you know, we keep 586 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: hearing over and over that Republicans who want to sort 587 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: of cleanse themselves are talking to this committee and trying 588 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: to show that there is distance between Donald Trump's attempts 589 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: to you know, uh, to turn over the election and 590 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: and themselves. And so they've they've sort of been going 591 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: to them and confessing to a certain extent. And and 592 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, we don't know we'll get more of that tomorrow. 593 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: It's a good way to be thrown out of the family, Doug. 594 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: We heard five or six members of Congress supposedly sought 595 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: pardons from the Trump White House. Is that maybe where 596 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: we're going tomorrow, Maybe we hear from one of them. Yeah, 597 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: I have no idea, it's certainly a possibility. And we 598 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: know that those members have been mentioned now by name, Um, 599 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: and clearly they have been engaged with counsel probably more 600 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: than they were previously. Um. But we know that this 601 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: could go in any direction. And that's why it was 602 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: such a shocker today because we were specifically told that 603 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: there would be nothing until after July. That's really it's amazing. 604 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: Doug is a Republican and a Republican strategist, no less 605 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of a midterm election cycle. Do you 606 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: feel like this is a liability for the party as 607 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: a whole or is this is this a Donald Trump story. 608 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: It's it's more of a Donald Trump story. Um. You know, 609 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: you may have some individual races that are affected by this, 610 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: but it's been really hard to identify. If you're a Republican, 611 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: you want to be talking about inflation, the border, rising, 612 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: crime and nothing else. So it's a distraction, UM. And 613 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: distractions happen in campaigns and political seasons. Um. But very clearly, 614 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: and that's why, you know, following what's just happened at 615 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court over the past week is going to 616 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: be interesting to see, you know how and if voters 617 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of reset their thinking on this. Republicans know what 618 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: they want to talk about it. If it's not one 619 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: of those top three issues, they'd rather have it have 620 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: it be left left alone. We have so much to 621 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: learn that if if someone's telling you they know what's 622 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: going to happen, don't believe them. As we spend time 623 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: with Doug High and Jeannie Chanzano, thanks to both of 624 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: you for a great panel, great insights, and everyone else 625 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: here on the fastest hour in politics will check traffic 626 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: and markets. Next, this is Bloomberg