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Speaker 1: Hey man, welcome back to the black market. We ring

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Speaker 1: the bell made. It's money on the floor. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: stock market, they'll go off. It's it's money on the table.

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Speaker 2: Man. Can we can?

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Speaker 1: You can say whatever you need to say. I say

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Speaker 1: whatever you need to say. You got some ship to

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Speaker 1: say that good is? You gonna need some al we

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Speaker 1: but we got none other than missus Kevin Coplan and

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Speaker 1: here with else today, Keavin. What you got going on? Man?

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm just out here, uh, trying to change the

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Speaker 3: world building shipping container homes uh as well as multi

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Speaker 3: family homes and just doing container developments overall.

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Speaker 1: Now what got you into that?

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Speaker 3: I used to work on the ship uh, on the ships,

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Speaker 3: on the Megory seamanships and the ships. I would going

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Speaker 3: ship and container ships, and when I would come home,

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Speaker 3: I would actually build houses traditionally, So I would come

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Speaker 3: home after six months and build on the traditional.

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Speaker 1: House and you'd be out.

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Speaker 3: See I'd be out and see overseas on on those

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you got the whole game from getting through customs

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Speaker 1: and all that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can. I can get you through there, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I can get just you know, talk after.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, high end race cars from Jap.

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Speaker 2: We can get them over most death for sure.

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Speaker 1: Then when you start building houses.

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Speaker 3: I started to building house when I was twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I taught myself where. Yeah. I got my first house

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Speaker 1: Carolina, just straight off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was on the container ship.

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Speaker 3: When I was sitting there working, I was like, I

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Speaker 3: called my girl at the time. I say, yo, I'm

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Speaker 3: goen I come home. I'm gonna try to build a house.

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Speaker 3: She said, you crazy, but it's not nothing far fits

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Speaker 3: for you. So I came home. That's before it was navigation.

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Speaker 3: We had map quest. I drove to Charlotte with the

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Speaker 3: map test with the directions. Right, I found a century

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Speaker 3: twenty one. I came off the ship with twenty thousand,

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Speaker 1: It don't man with the dog.

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Speaker 3: I said, yo, I want to buy a piece of land.

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Speaker 3: They said, all right, cool. They showed me some land.

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Speaker 3: We found one for seventeen five. I went back to

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Speaker 3: They was like, oh no, you gotta go through closing

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Speaker 3: and all that. I said, bro, I got twenty thousand

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Speaker 3: right now, I want the land. Needless to say, he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's up. And then you happened. What's the

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Speaker 1: next step? You got them?

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Speaker 3: So this what happened after I got the land, right,

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Speaker 3: I went to the lot and I called the uh,

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Speaker 3: He said, you gotta get your GC license. I said,

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Speaker 3: what's that? He said, your general contractor license.

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Speaker 2: All right, bet, I.

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Speaker 3: Took the test study for that, took the test, passed it.

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Speaker 3: Called him again, all right, what's next? He said, Now

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Speaker 3: you gotta order your your root, trust, your uh, your

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Speaker 3: eye joice and everything like that, amongst the blueprint that

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Speaker 1: See, just a lot of people don't notice where you

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Speaker 1: get your blueprints from.

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Speaker 2: Actually designed all my stuff, all my houses and no man.

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Speaker 3: I I went to Virginia Commwell University, and I was

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Speaker 3: pretty good at architectural drafting. I didn't finish college, but

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Speaker 3: not in no college debt whatsoever. Yeah, son blue friends, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So look got the blue So I got the blueprints,

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Speaker 3: You got the plans. Plans have been approved, so I

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Speaker 1: I might not put this episode out of you're telling

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a whole bunch of men watching this

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Speaker 1: you mean to tell me you can't build a house.

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Speaker 3: Look, I built my first house watching YouTube videos.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 2: That's why I feel like I ain't no man, what

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Speaker 2: else I had the news? I ain't had on the news.

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Speaker 2: You're right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So on the whole black male population right there, I

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Speaker 2: I tease somebody they.

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Speaker 1: Want to learn. Now that's the game right there.

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Speaker 3: I teach you if you want to learn, or got

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Speaker 3: a seminar coming follow this year too. Okay, where it's that,

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: All right, bet that's all we need to know. Get

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Speaker 3: So YouTube, so YouTube, and how to build a house.

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Speaker 3: The first thing, of course you gotta do is dig

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Speaker 1: Come on, I'm telling you footing by yourself.

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Speaker 2: Watch or watch watch.

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Speaker 3: So it lasted for about maybe three hours before I

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Speaker 3: dig the dig the footing, the transfer the footing. Right

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Speaker 3: had the concrete guys came poor the founder, port the footing.

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Speaker 3: Then I found a Mexican to build the foundation wall.

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Speaker 2: So once I did that.

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Speaker 1: See how they have us hesitant to even say that

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Speaker 1: we want to give much love and respect to all

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Speaker 3: With these projects, bro, especially when I got vic Well,

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Speaker 3: we'll appreciate y'all exactly. So look, once I got the

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not that crue. But one day so old.

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Speaker 3: Head black dude, he pulled up on me and he

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Speaker 3: because the old head was already trying to rip my

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Speaker 2: You could tell, of course. So he went the car.

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Speaker 3: I picked up JJ the next day. He said, boss man,

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Speaker 3: what we're doing. I said, we're gonna frame the house today. Man,

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Speaker 3: He said, we're gonna frame you with what the nail guns?

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Speaker 3: AT said, what's the nail gun? He said, the nail

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Speaker 3: I said, man, look, I don't got no nail gun, man,

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Speaker 3: we're not building the art. We're trying to build a house,

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Speaker 3: so needless to said, I want on criz list y'all

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Speaker 3: me a power actuited nail gun. And that was the

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Speaker 1: That's what's up, bro, Facebook marketplace? That sure that team, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I got the one with the gas crture, so I

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Speaker 3: I didn't know you needed a temporary pole up there

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Speaker 1: First anybody know anything about building some houses?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Tell you digging some foot and that is some hard

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Speaker 1: ass brewer, Bro, That is some backbreaking labor. I used.

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Speaker 1: I have had all kind of jobs when it comes

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Speaker 1: like labor, all that hanging flick, hanging sheet rock, ship.

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Speaker 1: This with feet. Shit, I don't know what's worse hanging

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Speaker 2: It took me to it.

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Speaker 3: Took me about about two weeks to hang it. I

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Speaker 3: couldn't walk afterwards for about four days. Oh your body

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Speaker 2: So exactly your needs and shit, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: That's why when you see the guys who do that

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I get it, Yeah, man, I get it.

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Speaker 1: So then you flipped the whole script. Did you sell

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I sold it. I listened it.

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Speaker 3: Since I built it myself, I said, man, I might

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Speaker 3: because they hear. They said, baked goods make a person

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Speaker 2: Three people showed up. Two of them came to the

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Speaker 3: Needless to say, after that, I shut everything down. I

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Speaker 1: So was it hard to sell the first half.

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Speaker 2: That your build?

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Speaker 3: No, not necessarily, because I hired a professional. I can't

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Speaker 1: You weren't attached to it at all, And I.

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Speaker 3: Don't care nothing about that. I'm trying to get a

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Speaker 3: hard work. I'm twenty three. I started at twenty three

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Speaker 3: to get the bread back.

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Speaker 1: So how'd you do on that? How'd you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did decent. I think I didn't do my numbs.

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Speaker 3: I know I sold it for one sixty six. I

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Speaker 3: walked away with one forty two, and I bought the

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Speaker 3: land for seventeen five, and I think I put mostly

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Speaker 2: So I built it for about eighty to ninety.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I didn't make a whole lot of profit,

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Speaker 3: but I gained experience that helped me build learn how

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Speaker 3: to build shipping containers too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was your next project after that?

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Speaker 3: My next project after that was a project in all

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Speaker 3: Raleigh could up a notch. I built another traditional, but

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Speaker 3: it was twenty five Yeah, a single family of twenty

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Speaker 3: five hundred square feet in Raleigh.

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Speaker 1: How did you do on that one? I did decent,

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Speaker 2: I did the crew.

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Speaker 3: I cut the time down by six months, and I

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Speaker 3: I walked away about sixty five thousand or not one.

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Speaker 2: So that was that was sweet. That was sweet.

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Speaker 1: So now you got the urge.

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Speaker 2: You Now, I ain't scared to build nothing, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So needless to say, I did that cycle, going

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Speaker 3: that for about twelve twelve to thirteen years. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: You already got the plug. You shouldn't know somebody.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: No, it was a little something, so something, yeah, And

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Speaker 3: I won't scared of nothing because I didn't did it

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Speaker 1: Damn, that's that's some ship. I don't want them to

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Speaker 2: Everything I came off the ship, we had to go

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Speaker 1: That's crazy when you said you cut your finger off

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was held on by this little piece

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Speaker 2: Well, you gotta want it.

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Speaker 1: It's actually now, how has the shiving container game been?

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Speaker 2: Though it's going good.

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Speaker 1: It's still like the at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still at the beginning stages, and I'm fine

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Speaker 2: People think they're cheap to build. They're cheap to build.

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Speaker 3: If you're willing to downsize, you have to make a sacrifice,

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Speaker 3: do framing. Everybody gonna raise a hand. Ask them same

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Speaker 3: Metal fabrication. That's a that's a profession. So they charge

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Speaker 3: Airbnbs have two categories, traditional and special containers going special,

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Speaker 2: So that's where it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: That's what's up man. So you were talking to you

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Speaker 1: said that you were able to You've got some information

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Speaker 3: So the thing is a lot of people when I

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Speaker 3: I can get it for thirteen hundred. Yeah, But the

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Speaker 3: you can try to get a new container that's about

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Speaker 2: They still got to say that make the same.

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Speaker 3: Trip across because they manufacturing in channel, so that's the

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Speaker 3: largest that's the biggest uh cod uh that you don't

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Speaker 3: want to viol it because potentially they will check that name,

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Speaker 1: And that's crazy though you think once you buy it,

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Speaker 1: you just buy it. But it's got to be it.

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Speaker 4: Like you said the colder, Yeah, certain, Yeah, that's that's dope.

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Speaker 3: And even with the aesthetic of it. You don't want

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Speaker 3: in it. Yeah, like I care about that type of stuff,

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Speaker 3: and ain't nobody if I'm doing from building houses for

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Speaker 3: for resale, that's not gonna be esthetic pleasing profit up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So so.

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Speaker 1: On your first joint your first ship and container house.

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Speaker 2: That's the one that ended up on a g TV word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you either like the coldest nigga or like Lucky

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Speaker 1: is a nigga that I have ever had on him.

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Speaker 2: Lucky hard work, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Lucky ain't shit. Wing preparation meet the opportunity to exactly.

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Speaker 1: So you're killing it out here.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: It's still, like I said, we're still in the beginning stages.

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Speaker 4: I see that's hard. Yeah, Yeah, we got money. We

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Speaker 4: got twenty eight contained the homes. Because you put on

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Speaker 3: A loaded question because you want to have it centralized

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Speaker 2: Spacing or something like that.

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Speaker 3: But I say to put for an acre, you could

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Speaker 3: is called shot Hills. That gun right outside of a crow. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what the paper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So look, have you built like one big ass shipping

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the one I built, it's so nineteen hundred square

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Speaker 1: Now how they work. People reach out to you and

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Speaker 3: Usually people will contact me through the website Cargo by

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Speaker 3: we're actually about to redo the website and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go on now. I want to

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Speaker 1: I know y'all got big paper. I can get two

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Speaker 2: What ruf?

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Speaker 1: I need two of them.

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Speaker 2: We can do it.

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Speaker 1: On one in America and then get me one over

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Speaker 1: there in Ghana. So when we go over there, already

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Speaker 1: be set up.

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Speaker 2: Trust me.

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Speaker 1: I guess you don't. We just hey, you heard it.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey I don't talk because I got lips.

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Speaker 1: Got and I get a discount if you was on

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Speaker 1: the show and ship, we can do that. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: We let them know what the website is, how they

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Speaker 3: The website is www dot Cargo by KVN dot com. Uh,

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Speaker 3: my instagram is KVN the builder. Also, uh, YouTube is

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Speaker 3: Cargo by KVN and the professional page on Instagram is

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Speaker 3: Cargo by KVN.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, check me out, check us.

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Speaker 1: Out, because I just bought two of them. This alright,

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Speaker 1: fuck it didn't even you send me one and a

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Speaker 1: half one and a half. I guess off based on

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Speaker 1: my discount. Cargo back kV black market.

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Speaker 2: We out of here.

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Speaker 1: There's money on the floor.