1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Happy Saturday. Today is the International Day of Persons with Disabilities, 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: which is an observance that the United Nations first established 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: in so today's episode draws from disability history. It's on 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Ed Roberts and the Independent Living movement that is a 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: movement focused on collective self advocacy by and four disabled 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: people with a goal of getting people to support they 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: needed to live, work, and go to school within the 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: greater community rather than segregated away from it. Some of 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: the other subjects that are touched on in this episode 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: include polio and the five oh four sit Ends that 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: took place in nineteen seventy seven. Previous Hosts episode on 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Polio was a Saturday classic recently in September, and the 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: five oh four sit Ends were part of an installment 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: of six Impossible episodes that came out on February of 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: This episode originally came out on January. Enjoy Welcome to 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of I 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hello, and Welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy B. 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. Today's podcast is a listener 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: suggestion and I'm pretty sure it was a comment somebody 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: left us on our Facebook page. I really thought I 21 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: had written down the name of the person who sent 22 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: it in. Apparently I didn't, And I feel really bad 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: about that because it was such a great suggestion that 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: was definitely from that one specific person. It's not a 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: suggestion I think we've gotten other times. Besides that, by 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: absolute total coincidence. It was also a Google doodle literally yesterday. 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: In terms of when we are recording this podcast, uh, 28 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: it is about disability rights activist ed Roberts, who was 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: known as the father of the independent Living movement. That's 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: a movement for and by people with disabilities which combines 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: advocacy and resources and education all towards the goal of 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: living independently and fully integrated with abled society. And with 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: one quick heads up today there's a brief part of 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: today's episode while we are discussing roberts eighteen month hospitalization 35 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: with polio, that might be triggering for people with depression 36 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: or with eating disorders, and if that applies to you 37 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: when we get to that part of the story, you 38 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: might want to skip ahead about thirty seconds, starting with 39 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: our mention of that eighteen month hospital stay. Edward Verne 40 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: Roberts was born on January twenty, nineteen thirty nine, in 41 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: San Mateo, California, to Zona and Verne Roberts and at 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: the age of fourteen, he contracted polio, which is a 43 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: viral disease that primarily affects children under the age of five. 44 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: In addition to symptoms such as fever, headache, and vomiting, 45 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: polio also attacks the nervous system and causes paralysis. Because 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: of its typically young patients and the way the disease progresses, 47 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: it has also been known by the name infantile paralysis. 48 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Polio still exists today. There's no cure for it, but 49 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: it can be prevented by a vaccine. The first polio 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: vaccines were introduced in nineteen fifty five, which was about 51 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: two years after Roberts contracted the disease, and if you're interested, 52 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: there is a whole podcast on the history of polio 53 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: and its vaccines in our archive from past hosts Sarah 54 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: and Babuina. In many cases of polio, the diseases progression 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: affects a person's ability to breathe. Until this stage of 56 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: the disease was usually fatal, but that year the first 57 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: version of the iron lung was introduced. The iron lung, 58 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: which is the more colloquial name for a tank respirator 59 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: or a negative pressure respirator, could keep patients alive during 60 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: this acute stage of the disease. An iron lung looks 61 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: like a big metal cylinder. It's big enough for a 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: person's whole body to fit into from the neck down. Typically, 63 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: there's a bed inside that can be slid in and 64 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: out of the cylinder, allowing the patient to be removed 65 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: and returned when necessary. Windows and portholes on the sides 66 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: of the cylinder let caregivers touch the person who's inside, 67 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: adjust their bedding, generally care for them while they are 68 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: still inside of the iron lung and The iron lung 69 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: works by alternately lowering and raising pressure inside the chamber. 70 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: When the pressure is lowered, air is drawn into the 71 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: lungs through the patient's nose and mouth, and when the 72 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: pressure is raised that air is pushed out, which both 73 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: forces the patient to exhale and allows them to speak 74 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: during the exhaled breath, so for a person using an 75 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: iron lung, speech is usually timed with the machine cycle 76 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: of breathing. Today, iron lungs have been almost completely replaced 77 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: by other respiration technologies. As of fourteen, there were only 78 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: about ten of them still in use in the world, 79 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: and those were mostly with people who had survived polio 80 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 1: in childhood very long ago. But during Robert's early life 81 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: they were the standard of care and polio patients who 82 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: couldn't breathe on their own. In many patients, the muscle 83 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: weakness and paralysis associated with polio were temporary, as was 84 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: the need for an iron lung, but in about one 85 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: and two hundred patients, the paralytic effects of polio are permanent. 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: This was the case for Ed Roberts. After contracting polio 87 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three. He was hospitalized for about eighteen months. 88 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: While in the hospital, he was very ill, with a 89 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: very high fever and near total paralysis. His mother asked 90 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: his doctor whether he would live, and the doctor's answer, 91 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: which was given where Ed could hear him, was that 92 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: she should hope that he didn't because he would be, 93 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: in the doctor's words, no more than a vegetable. And 94 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: for a while Roberts decided he didn't want to live. 95 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: He was being continually looked after by nurses and the 96 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: only thing in his life that he had control over 97 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: was whether to eat and so he stopped. His weight 98 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: dropped to about fifty pounds, down from approximately a hundred 99 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: and twenty. But after the last nurse left, the medical 100 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: staff had basically decided that the end was near for him. 101 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: As he would describe later in his life, he decided 102 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: that he did want to live. He started eating again. 103 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: He was eventually able to return home. His family had 104 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: moved into a different house when it had fewer stairs 105 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: and could accommodate this eight hundred pound iron lung, and 106 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: from there he returned to school, calling into classes at 107 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: Burlingame High by phone. Prior to contracting polio, Roberts had 108 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: wanted to be a professional baseball player, and he hadn't 109 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: been particularly interested in schoolwork, but that changed after his illness. 110 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: He was about two years behind because of his lengthy 111 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: hospital stay, but he dedicated himself to his schoolwork and 112 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: he became an excellent student. At this point, people with 113 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: apparent disabilities weren't really seen all that often in American society. 114 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Many were placed in institutions or were cared for at home, 115 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: but never really got out of the house. But as 116 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Ed's senior year of high school approached, his mother and 117 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: his social worker insisted that he not spent his whole 118 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: life in his room. They arranged for him to attend 119 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: some of his senior year classes, at least some of 120 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: them in person in a wheelchair. Roberts had learned a 121 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: method of breathing called glossop angel breathing, also known as 122 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: frog breathing, and this is sort of like swallowing air, 123 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: so basically using the muscles of his mouth and throat 124 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: to force air into his lungs. While he still needed 125 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: the iron lung for much of the time, especially while 126 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: he was asleep, he was able to live outside of 127 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: it for periods of time. He was worried about being 128 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: stared at, and people did stare at him, but he 129 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: quickly realized that the people staring weren't the ones who 130 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: were really uncomfortable with with his being there. People who 131 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: were really uncomfortable avoided looking at him, so he decided 132 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: that the ones who were staring at him were the 133 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: people who were interested and curious. So he decided to 134 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: approach it as though they were staring at him because 135 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: he was a famous person and not because he was disabled. 136 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: And this approach to other people's reactions to him really 137 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: set the stage for the man that Edward Roberts would 138 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: become throughout his life. The people who knew and worked 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: with him remarked on how charismatic and ambitious he was, 140 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: a very funny, very determined person, an adventurous man who 141 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: loved good food and good drinks and good company and 142 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: was absolutely unafraid to demand accessibility and equality and to 143 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: do the things that people told him would be impossible. 144 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Uh through the wonderful work of oral historians and documentary filmmakers, 145 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: there is a lot of footage and oral history from 146 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: ed Roberts, and he is a character like he Everyone 147 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: over and over marks on just having a big, big 148 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: personality and being very gregarious and very funny. And so 149 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: we will link to a lot of those in our 150 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: shore notes for the people who are interested and learning more, 151 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: but for now. One of Ed's first experiences with advocacy 152 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: would play out while he was actually still in high school, 153 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: and we will talk about it after a quick sponsor break. 154 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Even though ed Roberts had good grades in high school, 155 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: when it was time for him to graduate, the school's 156 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: principle refused to let him. The state required credits and 157 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: physical education and driver's d. He had neither because neither 158 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: class was accessible to him. His mother's zona, who had 159 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: experienced in advocacy through her work as a labor organizer, 160 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: first took it up with the school. The vice principle 161 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: came by their house and suggested that since Ed hadn't 162 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: done the required coursework, his diploma would be a quote 163 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: CHIE one and he should stay an extra year to 164 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: make up for it. And the family, of course declined 165 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: this offer. It was not really reasonable to say, because 166 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: he didn't take PE and drivers that you need a 167 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: whole extra year of high school zone and then took 168 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: the matter to the school board, which ultimately allowed physical 169 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: rehabilitation to account for his PE credits, and they waived 170 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: the requirement for Driver's ED, which, uh, if you've ever 171 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: done any kind of of physical rehab it's harder than 172 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: most PE classes, Like he should have gotten extra credit 173 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: for that. Uh, so his high school diploma received. Roberts 174 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: attended his local community college, the College of San Mateo, 175 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: from nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty two, and he 176 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: at first planned to become a technical writer. He was 177 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: a good writer and he knew how to dictate documents, 178 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: so it seemed like a good way to be able 179 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: to earn a living, but after taking a class in government, 180 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: he became very interested in political science. Roberts had originally 181 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: planned to transfer from the College of San Mateo to 182 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: u c l A, and that was a campus that 183 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: was already wheelchair accessible, in part because of a program 184 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: for World War Two veterans that was already in place 185 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: at the school, but Ed's advisor at College of San Mateo, 186 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: Dean Worth, recommended the University of California at Berkeley for 187 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: the strength of its political science program. Ed's brother Ron, 188 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: was going to UC Berkeley, and Ed knew from his 189 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: visits there that the campus was not particularly accessible, but 190 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: even though Berkeley's lack of accessibility made it a list 191 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: practical choice, it was definitely the stronger option for him 192 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: in terms of academics. Ed went to the California Department 193 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: of Rehabilitation for financial help with school, something it had 194 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: made available to other disabled students. They gave him a 195 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: personality test and later told him that it scored him 196 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: as being very aggressive, something that Roberts suggested, given his disability, 197 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: should be seen as a positive and not a negative, 198 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: but the counselor assigned to him at the Department of 199 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: Rehabilitation denied his request or financial aid on the grounds 200 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: that he was not employable, and then when you See 201 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Berkeley learned about his disability, it tried to resend his 202 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: acceptance to the university. But similarly to how he'd had 203 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: his mother's support and getting his high school to allow 204 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: him to graduate, here, he had the support of the 205 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: staff at the College of San Mateo, including gene Worth, 206 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: as well as the school's president and Dean of students 207 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: uh and they backed his efforts to enroll at you 208 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: See Berkeley. They pointed to his strong academic record as 209 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: evidence that he had the right to continue his education 210 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: at the school with the best academic program that he 211 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: wanted to study, and that he shouldn't be forced to 212 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: go elsewhere just to be on a campus that was 213 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: already accessible. You See Berkeley, arguing that there was nowhere 214 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: on campus to how someone who used an iron lung, 215 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: and worried about Robert's medical needs and the risk that 216 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: something could happen to him while he was at the school, 217 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: again said no. This time, Roberts and his advocates went 218 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: to the newspaper You See Berkeley eventually relented Robert's plan 219 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: to work around you See Berkeley's lack of wheelchair accessibility 220 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: by using a wheelchair when he could, but being carried 221 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: into places like classroom buildings or cafeterias that had stairs. 222 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: But there was still the real issue of having nowhere 223 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: in student housing that could accommodate an eight hundred pound 224 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: iron lung, and eventually the decision was made to house 225 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: him in a wing of you See Berkeley's Cowl Hospital, 226 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: and he moved in in nineteen sixty two. For that 227 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: first year, it was a really lonely existence. Roberts was 228 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: the only student being housed full time in the hospital, 229 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: and his primary company was an attendant that was paid 230 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: for by state funds from a program to provide services 231 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: for people with disabilities. Sometimes his friends or his brother 232 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: Ron helped out as well, but at night he was 233 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: basically being treated as a patient and not a student. 234 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: At the same time, though in typical college fashion, he 235 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: had a lot more freedom and independence than he had 236 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: had at home. He could breathe on his own outside 237 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: of the iron lung long enough to go to class, 238 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: go have a drink, and even to go on dates. 239 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: It was that last one that prompted Roberts to try 240 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: to find a way to make a power wheelchair, which 241 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: was at this point a relatively new technology work for him. 242 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: Today there are a lot more options for controlling power wheelchairs, 243 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: including head and mouth controls, but at the time, hand 244 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: controls were really the only one in existence. For this reason, 245 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: Roberts threehab counselors had told him that he wouldn't ever 246 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: be able to use one. He only had the use 247 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: of two fingers on his left hand, and not in 248 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: a way that could operate those controls. But Roberts, highly 249 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: motivated by a desire to be alone with his girlfriend, 250 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: figured out that with the controls simply turned around, he 251 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: could operate the power wheelchair by pulling with his two 252 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: fingers rather than pushing on them as they were designed 253 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: to be used. In nine Roberts was no longer the 254 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: only student living in Cowell hospit Battle. He was joined 255 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: by John Hessler, who had broken his neck in a 256 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: diving accident, and soon Cowel Hospital was home to other 257 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: students with similar disabilities as well. By nineteen sixty seven, 258 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: at which point Roberts had finished a bachelor's and the Masters, 259 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: and had moved on to PhD work in political science. 260 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: There were about twelve students living in Cowel Hospital who 261 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: called themselves the Rolling Quads. They formed a support network 262 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: and advocacy group, coming up with ideas and strategies for 263 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: better accessibility both on and off campus. You see, Berkeley 264 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: was a hotbed of political activism, including protests for women's rights, 265 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: free speech, and against the Vietnam War. Berkeley is one 266 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: of the campuses that shows up again and again in 267 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: coverage about student protests, some of them uh quite radical, 268 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: and this was true for the Rolling Quads as well. 269 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: When the program administrators tried to cut funding for students 270 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: who weren't completing their coursework fast and the Rolling Quads 271 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: petitioned and then went to the media on the grounds 272 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: that the same standards were not being applied to non 273 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: disabled students. Basically, the school was in a hurry for 274 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: the students with disabilities to finish faster because it was 275 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: more expensive to house them, but that same measurement was 276 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: not being applied to other students who were in more 277 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: typical student housing. When the city started refurbishing a shopping 278 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: center near the campus, eight of the Rolling Quads went 279 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: to a city council meeting to demand that curb cuts 280 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: be included in the budget. They were with the city 281 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: devoting fifty thousand dollars a year to making accessibility improvements 282 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: to city streets. The curb cut is just that little 283 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: slope that goes from the curb level to the street level, 284 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: which today is completely standard, was not standard at that point, 285 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and it meant that, you know, if if you were 286 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: using a wheelchair, it was really hard for you to 287 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: get from like across the street. And when they went 288 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: to the city council, one of the arguments that they 289 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: got back, well, we don't need those, We never see 290 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: any people out in wheelchairs. And they were like, well, yeah, 291 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: because it is because safe, we can't use the sidewalks. 292 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: It's such like a jacked up logic. I know. Uh. 293 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: As all of this was going on, Robert's former counselor, 294 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: back from the College of San Mateo, Jean Worth, had 295 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: been working on a college readiness program for minority students. 296 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: And this was a program that was working toward reducing 297 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: high school dropout rates and preparing minority students for college. 298 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: Through peer counseling, students who were at risk for dropping 299 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: out were paired with other students who were their mentors 300 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: who could help them remove whatever obstacles were in the 301 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: way and keeping them from finishing school. Based on the 302 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: work that the Rolling Quads had been doing UH and 303 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: how much they had been able to advocate for themselves 304 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: and support one another, Roberts thought the same model could 305 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: be used for students with disabilities. So Roberts flew to 306 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: Washington to help Worth write a plan that included disability 307 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: among the minority students the program sought to help, and 308 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: he presented a grant proposal to the Department of Health, Education, 309 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: and Welfare to implement a peer support program at UC Berkeley. 310 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: The department approved eighty one thousand dollars in funding. With 311 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: this grant, Roberts and the Rolling Quads started the Physically 312 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: Disabled Students Program or PDSP. The p DSP was run 313 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: by and for students with disabilities, and it sought to 314 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: provide attendance, wheelchair repair, and resources for accessible housing, including 315 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: the relocation out of Cowell Hospital into actual accessible housing 316 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: rather than a hospital ward. Even though it was only 317 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: meant to be a student program, it was so successful 318 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: that people in the greater community began to rely on 319 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: it really quickly. Something that was technically against the rules, 320 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: but the p DSP was just not really willing to 321 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: turn people away. It was grounded in the self advocacy 322 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: and the folk us on self determination that became the 323 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: hallmarks of the independent living movement. Much of the disability 324 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: advocacy before this point had been by and on behalf 325 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: of caregivers, not of people with disabilities themselves. It was 326 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: often paternalistic, and it approached people with disabilities as a 327 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: population to be pitied and looked after, not as autonomous 328 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: human beings capable of making their own decisions. Although there 329 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: are still divisions between self advocacy and caregiver advocacy today, 330 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: the independent living movement changed that direction entirely. You will 331 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: definitely see huge divisions especially among like uh parents of 332 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: children with disabilities and then those adults who have grown 333 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: up and are able to advocate for themselves. A lot 334 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: of times very different needs and opinions. But before this 335 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: movement really started, the only voice was the more paternalistic 336 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: I need to look after you. Here's how I'm going 337 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: to fix your problem kind of voice. Soon, the p 338 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: DSPs work made a more official move off of campus, 339 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: rather than just seeing to the needs of community of 340 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: the community, even though it was really a student program, 341 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: and we will talk about that after another quick sponsor break. 342 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: As more students with more types of disabilities came to 343 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: Berkeley's Physically Disabled Students Program for help, the p DSP 344 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: broadened its focus from primarily wheelchair users to include, for example, 345 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: providing rail readers for blind students. And as we noted 346 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: before the break, the p DSP didn't want to turn 347 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: away anyone who needed help, regardless of whether they actually 348 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: went to Berkeley or not, so almost immediately the p 349 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: DSP staff of nine full and part time counselors was 350 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: just completely overwhelmed. The result was that in Robert and 351 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: the Physically Disabled Students Program launched the Center for Independent Living. 352 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: It followed the same model as the PDSP, an organization 353 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: run by and for people with disabilities, incorporating a broad 354 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: range of disabilities and working towards the goal of completely 355 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: integrating people with disabilities into the greater community. The by 356 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: laws stipulated that at least fifty one of the staff 357 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: and board had to be people with disabilities. While the 358 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: p DSP had been launched by federal grant money, the 359 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: Center for Independent Living was funded by whatever money its 360 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: founders could scrape together, including donations, occasional grant money, and 361 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: ten percent of the pot at some of the founders 362 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: periodic poker games. And after a brief time away from 363 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: Berkeley teaching community organizing at an all black school, Roberts 364 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: returned to the Center for Independent Living in nineteen seventy four. 365 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: As its director, he began more explicitly approaching his disability 366 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: rights advocacy in terms of civil rights. Other centers for 367 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: Independent Living soon opened in other states, following the same 368 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: model for self advocacy, self determination, integration, and quality of life. 369 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: By the nineteen eighties, there were more than three hundred 370 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: of these centers around the United States. Roberts stayed and 371 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: his in his role at the Center for Independent Living 372 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: for about eighteen months until nineteen seventy five, when California 373 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: Governor Jerry Brown came for a tour. After seeing the 374 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: work that Roberts was doing, he offered him a new position, 375 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: director of the state's Department of Rehabilitation. This was the 376 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: same department that had told Roberts he was unemployable when 377 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: he was looking for financial help to go to UC 378 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: Berkeley and Roberts would work as the director of the 379 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: state Department of Rehabilitation for the next nine years. During 380 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: that time, he would radically shift the department's direction and 381 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: the way that it offered services. The department's federal funding 382 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: was based on how many people it was able to 383 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: place into jobs, so for years it had focused most 384 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: of its attention on the people whose disabilities were easiest 385 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: to accommodate in a workplace setting, and that was why 386 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: it had written Roberts off as unemployable. Instead, Roberts added 387 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: day to day support for a person's independent quality of 388 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: life to the Department of Rehabilitation's roster of duties, as 389 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: well as advocacy for non discrimination policies other things that 390 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: were basically meant to take a broader, more holistic scope 391 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: to what the department was doing. The department did see 392 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: a fair amount of turnover as employees resisted the shift 393 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: in direction and in some cases were let go because 394 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: they did not agree with the shift in direction, and 395 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: the debate on how much to continue to focus on 396 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: more easy to place jobs for the sake of federal 397 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: funding continued, and really in a lot of places continued 398 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: still today and in the midst of all of this UH, 399 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: in those same years, Robert got married and he and 400 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: his wife Catherine also had a son named Lee. Also 401 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: during these same year's very busy collection of years was 402 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: a lengthy governmental back and forth related to what's known 403 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: as Section five oh four. This is a non discrimination 404 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: clause and the Rehabilitation Act of nineteen seventy three UH. 405 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: Section five oh four reads quote, no otherwise qualified handicapped 406 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: individual in the United States shall, solely on the basis 407 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: of his handicap, be excluded from the participation, being denied 408 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any 409 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. Section five oh 410 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: four was added to the Rehabilitation Act almost unnoticed during 411 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: the Nixon administration, and the fight over it lasted into 412 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: the administration of Jimmy Carter, largely due to the financial 413 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: costs involved with making buildings and programs accessible and fears 414 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: about its scope being too broad. A four year delay 415 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: in writing regulations to actually implement section five oh four 416 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: ultimately led to an enormous takeover of the Regional Health, 417 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: Education and Welfare Building in San Francisco in nineteen seventy seven, 418 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: one or and ized by Judy Hyman, who had been 419 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: paralyzed after contracting polio as a baby. Roberts made several 420 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: visits to this sit in, which was ultimately successful, prompting 421 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: Carter's Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare to finally sign 422 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: off on the necessary regulations also in nineteen seventy seven. 423 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: Section five oh four would eventually lead into the Americans 424 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: with Disabilities Act in nine ed Roberts continued to be 425 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: a strident advocate for disability rights and independent living for 426 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: the rest of his life, and this included travel all 427 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: over the world, which itself involved advocating for accessible airports 428 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: and airplanes. He helped found the World Institute on Disability 429 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three, and he was awarded a MacArthur 430 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: Foundation grant in nineteen eighty four. He served on the 431 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: board of directors of numerous disability rights organizations while also 432 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: serving as the president of the World Institute of Disability 433 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: until until his death from cardiac arrest on March fourteenth 434 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: of nineteen five at the age of fifty six. His 435 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: wheelchair is now part of the Smithsonian Collection. He was 436 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: inducted into the California Hall of Fame in eleven and 437 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: the United States House of Representatives declared at January at 438 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: Roberts to day. Also January is the day that he 439 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: was a Google doodle. Coincidentally, as I was like, that 440 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: was the day I finished writing this podcast. Good accidental timing, 441 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: Tracy Well, and as I was doing the research, I 442 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, his birthday's coming up, and then there 443 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: was the Google doodle today. The nonprofit Ed Roberts Campus, 444 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: a fully accessible campus and events based in Berkeley, is 445 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: also named for him. That is had Roberts. He really 446 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: did so much to shift the way that people thought 447 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: about disability and to shift the way that people regarded 448 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: people with disabilities. Uh, not at all to suggest that 449 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: everything is perfect now. I mean basically, everybody I know 450 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: who is living with a disability, especially if it is 451 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: not something that is easily accommodated, faces a basically continual 452 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: uphill battle to get services and basic uh equipment and care. 453 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: But going from nothing two to that, like it was 454 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: a huge, a huge deal. 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