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Speaker 1: discounting hard work or intent because but honestly, I never

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Speaker 1: had an intent to work in outdoor industry. And maybe

427
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: that's why my perspective is a little bit different. But

428
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: I never really like I always thought it was kind

429
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: of a pipe dream, and maybe this is remnants of that.

430
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: I was, like, man, I just gotta but but I

431
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: found myself making decisions over time that constantly favored me

432
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: being in the woods, you know. Like I I've started

433
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: my own business, and that not this business, but another

434
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: one that allowed me to to hunt a lot that

435
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: gave me a lot of freedom, that allowed me to

436
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: not have a boss that could tell me when and

437
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: when not to work, you know. So I kind of

438
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: geared my life towards this, and for other reasons too,

439
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: for my family, I wanted to raise my family and

440
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: be able to do what I wanted to do. But anyway,

441
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, I feel like that's a

442
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: question a lot of people have, is like how do

443
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: you get into that door industry? And I actually hate

444
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: to even bring that question up on this podcast. Well

445
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: you know I get that all the time as well.

446
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: And the number one thing I tell people, if they

447
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: truly want to do it, they gotta try. A lot

448
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: of people don't try. I know, that's a that's a

449
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: silly way. A lot of people will give up. A

450
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: lot of people don't try. A lot of people give

451
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: up quickly. You know, I wanted this. I wanted to

452
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: make a living in the outdoor industry. However I could.

453
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fortunate, It's not not the right word. Um.

454
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: I was able to push through not making money for

455
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: many years. I mean it's a lot of sacrifice and

456
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: a lot of quarrels with you know, my beautiful wife.

457
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: But you know, there was there was several years where

458
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: we weren't making nothing. I mean I'm talking, you know,

459
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: making I don't want to get into specifics, but you know,

460
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: making ten twelve thousand dollars a year because I was

461
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: trying to make it. I was trying to do it.

462
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: I did that for two or three years where we

463
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: were and and she was a full time student, she

464
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: had we had a young daughter, and I mean there

465
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: was a price, there was a there was a but

466
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: I worked my butt off and it's it's paid off.

467
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: I found a career. You know. Now, I've been told

468
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: by numerous people, I'm on the wrong side of my

469
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: career in this industry. But what do you mean, like

470
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: that television is television it's getting too says very saturated.

471
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: Television is specifically is well not even television, but just content,

472
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: the content and everyone can create content, everyone can create.

473
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people like great, great content

474
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: that you can get for free online which we offer.

475
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's horrendous, uh but you know,

476
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: like the Bear Honey magazine YouTube channel to subscribe. But

477
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: uh but the I guess sponsorship dollars. Like when I

478
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: was first coming in the industry was the heyday. You know,

479
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: there there was there was a small crop of really

480
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: outlets that these companies could go to. Now now they

481
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: can they can distribute that money little bits here and

482
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: there and to get get a bigger and they have

483
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: every right to. I mean, that's they're trying to reach

484
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: with me and people as possible. So you just gotta

485
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: be you gotta be creative. And just like whenever you know,

486
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: I was making you know, less than a thousand dollars

487
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: a month, you gotta work your butt off, work through it,

488
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: and figure figure out to make work. And like I said,

489
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: we're very fortunate. I mean, uh at Major Bower to

490
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: have a to have a good logo. Basically, you don't

491
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: have a good mark. You don't have to know what

492
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: really good people recognize for sure, Well you don't even

493
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: have to know what the show is about. If you

494
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: walk into a story you're online, you see and you're

495
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: a bow hunter, you see Major Lee bow Hunter, you

496
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: identify with that mark. And and we we're lucky to

497
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: have that because a lot of a lot of TV

498
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: shows are trying to sell you know, their show as

499
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: a brand, where really, our brand has a TV show.

500
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, so yeah, I'll see what you're saying. Well,

501
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: that's a good introduction to kind of get you to

502
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: where where you're at right now. And so what we

503
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: really want to talk about is we want to talk

504
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: well we want to talk about the broader project, which

505
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 1: I think I'll let you introduce, but we also want

506
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: to talk about Oklahoma Black Bear because the project entails that.

507
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: So why don't you give a give like a one

508
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: minute version of the of the project and kind of

509
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: the intent of it, and then we can dive in

510
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: and and I would like to nerd out a little

511
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: bit on Oklahoma black Bear. I would love to hear it. Uh.

512
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: So basically what we're doing here is this last fall,

513
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate too, uh attempt something that I've

514
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: been me into attempt for a long time, and it's

515
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: called the Oklahoma Grand Slam. In Oklahoma, we're very lucky

516
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: to have five honorable population of five big game animals. Yeah.

517
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: And and all over the counter tags and regulated seasons

518
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: for nonresidents residents life uh, which is black bear, elk antelope,

519
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: white tail, and mule deer uh. And and honestly, most people,

520
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't even know about a lot

521
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: of bet if you were to pull the listeners right

522
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: now and you would have said, how many of those

523
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: animals would you have known were in Oklahoma? I bet

524
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: money most of them would have said one of those animals,

525
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: probably one. You're right, I mean really and low mule, deer, elk,

526
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: black bear, and not just in the state honnible populations,

527
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: because in Oklahoma too we have I mean, we have

528
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: a honible population of odd Dad, which I didn't know

529
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: until I started this adventure. We have big horn sheep

530
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: up in the black up in the black Nasa, up

531
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: in the very tip of the deal. I had no

532
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: idea we have big horn sheep that even we're the

533
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: big horn sheep native to Oklahoma or did they think,

534
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I know, the odd Dad obviously would not be a

535
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: north Yeah, that's definitely. Uh. I have no idea if

536
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: the big horn sheep migrated naturally or they're in the

537
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: very I'm sure they were introduced at some point like

538
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: in like these animals were actually reintroduced there. I know

539
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: that for sure. But my question, and you know, would

540
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: be would they be native to Oklahoma? No idea, I

541
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: really don't. And we have, you know, obviously, mountain lion,

542
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: especially up in the Panhandle, there's a pretty pretty healthy

543
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: population amount. No season on mountain there is no season amount.

544
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a weird deal in the regulations

545
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: if you ever read it, because it's you have to

546
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: have a hunting license to kill one, but there's no

547
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: season on it, and you're not allowed to kill one

548
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: that's it's threatening you. But if it's threatening you, why

549
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: do you have the hunting licenses to kill it? You

550
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. That's kind of weird, right, got it.

551
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: But there's definitely a pretty good population in the Panhandle,

552
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: and of course you know there's sightings everywhere as Yeah, yeah,

553
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. But anyway, Uh, that's

554
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: that's what it's called. Then the project it called is

555
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: called Slammed. It's gonna be a basically a ninety ninety

556
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: minute film, So it's a full length feature film, be

557
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: a feature basically a feature film. Yeah, it's gonna air

558
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: on the Sportsman's Channel. We haven't nailed down the exact

559
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: air time, but it'll air sometime this year. Uh. And

560
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: then once it airs there go online to digital platform

561
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: and probably uh. And so it's a it's a ninety

562
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: minute film about you last year harvesting all of those

563
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: big game animals no Colomba. Wow, And I didn't know that.

564
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: So you gonna get into the story of how it

565
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: came about. Okay, So I the this has only been

566
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: possible for the last ten years because the bear season came.

567
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: The first Oaklahoma bear season that I'm aware of regular

568
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: hold season was in two thousand nine, and um, my

569
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: first bear hunt ever was in two thousand fourteen and

570
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: when and two thousand four and that was kind of

571
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: when I really realized what we had in our state.

572
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: We had five big em animals all over counter tags. Uh.

573
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: So I wanted to attempt it then, but I didn't

574
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: have the resources, you know, to really do it. And

575
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: what happened was I wasn't one of my really good

576
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: friends weddings, our wedding, um this last or to that

577
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: the fall to seventeen, and his father and I was

578
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: now father in law, came up to me and asked

579
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: me if I ever want to hunt elk in Oklahoma,

580
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: that I have told me that I have a place

581
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: to hunt elk, and I'm like, let's go. And once

582
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: I realized I had an elk property, I already had

583
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: obviously white tail uh and very fortunate that make Bowler

584
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: has a lease in the Panhandle that has muled deer.

585
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: So now I only needed to I needed black bear,

586
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: I need antelope. So I hit up Instagram because why

587
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't you hit up Instagram as a late twenties, uh

588
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: young man millennial? I am, yeah, I think I'm squarely

589
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: in the millennial millennial range there. Uh. But I end

590
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: up Instagram and very very very fortunate. Within within an hour,

591
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I had an antelope property. Yeah with what I had

592
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: dozens of leads too, but I hadn't had the guy

593
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: that I ended up hunting with Mr Zach Alvin. And

594
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: then I end up hitting the lead on bear in

595
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: southeastern Oklahoma. Had Jason Curtis here. He runs an operation

596
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: down They're called off grad white tails, and he was

597
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: super super grageous uh that he allowed me to come down.

598
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: Um are super thankful that he allowed me to come down.

599
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: Uh and black bear on his property and wit tail

600
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: to um. But after getting all five of those, my

601
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: elk property actually fell through. And so now I've already

602
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: told everyone I'm doing and I'm missing an elk and

603
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I have to, you know, obviously have an elk property

604
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: because in Oklahoma it's over the counter tag for help.

605
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: But the only catch is you for over counter tag,

606
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: you have to hunt on private ground, right, so you

607
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: gotta have landowner permission, correct, So to have that you

608
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: have to have you have to have a landowner give

609
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: you permission. And so what I did is I called

610
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: every person I knew down there, and that didn't work.

611
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: So then I opened up, uh, you know that the

612
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: apps on my phone, which I used an app called

613
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: hunt Stand, and was looking at, you know, uh the

614
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: different landowners and you know, gives their phone number on there,

615
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and was dialing I mean dozens of phone numbers, and uh,

616
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: none of the everyone said no, everyone's brother and everyone's cousin.

617
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: Everyone hunted these out because you know, it's a very

618
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: finite amount of land that has that resource seems could

619
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: be a very coveted, very coveted tag it is. What's

620
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: a coveted Yeah, yeah it is. It's coveted to have

621
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: a property that has them on it, the huntible population. Anyway,

622
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: I can end up contacting Buddy Brett Cardon, who runs

623
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: an outfit in southwestern Oklahoma, and I was kind of

624
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: curious if he had elk himself because he's in that

625
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: kind of the area, and he said he didn't, but

626
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: he knew of someone that might. And within an hour

627
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: I end up having the property that I end up

628
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: hunting on, which I say that the guy that gave

629
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: me permission, he had a three He had three acres,

630
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: and he said, more than welcome, come out. His name

631
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: is Trevor Johnson. He's become a great friend by the way.

632
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: He uh said, you're more than welcome hunt here. But

633
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: only three and twenty acres legitimately thirty of it was

634
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: even hauntable. The rest of it was as flat as

635
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: this floor. Uh. And then the other thirty went up

636
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: the side of this mountain. And when I talking about

637
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: a mountain, this is a Dagon mountain very north in

638
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: the witch Tall Mountains. Well, what he did is he

639
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: used me as an as a reason to contact his

640
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: neighbor who doesn't allow hunting, and he used me, told him,

641
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: told him what I was doing, and got me permission

642
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: to hunt on his neighbor's day, which has almost two

643
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: thousand acres of some of the prettiest and prime elk

644
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: cap that you've seen. Right. Let me, I don't I

645
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: don't know that part of Oklahoma at all. I mean

646
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: I've I don't even really think I've driven through there.

647
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: But from the pictures that I've seen, the video you

648
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: showed me some video this morning, it's like it's it's like, yeah,

649
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: like super flat. I mean, it looks like the prairie.

650
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: But then there's these pretty big mountains. I don't know,

651
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: it looks like they're two thousand foot fot like in

652
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: over thousand foot peaks where we were at Rocky Shrubby.

653
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: It almost looks like New Mexico or something. It's about

654
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: how you describe it. Actually, I would describe it unlike

655
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: anywhere I've ever been, just because because of the actual rock,

656
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: not just composition, but the way the rocks are. It's

657
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: the mountains, which not to be confused with the Washita Mountains,

658
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, it's the w U Yeah. And so

659
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: like you said, it's it's super flat in the bottoms

660
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: with mesquite trees and it just looks like you know,

661
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: sound looks like Texas. It's super flat. And then it

662
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: just runs boom right into the witch Tall Mountains, which

663
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: is just you got gravel, you know, rocks the size

664
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: of gravel, all wet sides of houses and and and

665
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: rocky super rocky, and so whenever you're walking across this

666
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: if you're jumped from rock to rock. And while we

667
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: were there, it was raining the entire time, so it

668
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: was really dangerous. There's a lot of rattlesnakes. I mean,

669
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: it was. It was the roughest country ever been. If

670
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: it was at altitude like some of the places that

671
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: we hunt in Colorado and New Mexico places I've been

672
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: in Montana, it would be it would be the worst.

673
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: It would be the worst conditions I've ever been in.

674
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: But it's luckily, you know, you're talking about you know,

675
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: two thousand feet above sea level or whatever. You know,

676
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: it's super low. There's there's no breathing issues. Right, So

677
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: how far is that from where you live? So I'm

678
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm lucky because I live in central Coloma. Yeah, about

679
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: two and a half three hours from just about everywhere?

680
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: Is that right? From the bear and from the elk, Yes,

681
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: the get to the Panham the table of the Panhaus

682
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: a long way, so that's about five little over five

683
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: hours five uh. And then the place that we hunt

684
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: we have another the least that we for the mule

685
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: deer and the where I end up killing my white tail. Uh.

686
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: It's also in the Panhandle, on the east end of

687
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: the Panhandle, and it's about four and a half hours away. Yeah,

688
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: so uh, but yeah, luckily I'm in the central part

689
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: of the state. So I'm only about two and a

690
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: half from my bear, it's two and a half from

691
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: the alp and you know, not too pretty incredible. Well,

692
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: let me just take a minute to just say what

693
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: a I think it's pretty incredible. I would not have

694
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: even known and and been a neighbor to Oklahoma here

695
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. I mean, we're we're twenty miles from the

696
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: Oklahoma border right here where we're sitting, and I would

697
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: not have known that Oklahoma had all those big games,

698
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: just wouldn't have even known it. So because of and

699
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: it's partially because of the Panhandle, if you think about it,

700
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: So the east west, the length of Oklahoma is really wide.

701
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see. I bet it's one of

702
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: the widest. This would be interesting. I bet it's one

703
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: of the widest states when you count the Panhandle. I mean,

704
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: like obviously Texas would be wider. Yeah, you know, some

705
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: someone would be. But but when you think about that,

706
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: because the topography of North America changes from east to west,

707
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: you go from the eastern deciduous forest into the Grand

708
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: Prairie into the Rockies, you know, and so it's like

709
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: the very eastern edge of Oklahoma is in the eastern

710
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: deciduous forest. I mean that like, which is a massive

711
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: topographic vegetative feature of North America. And then you know,

712
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: you get two hours from here and you're you're pretty

713
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: much in the prairie, I mean, the bread basket of

714
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: the planet. And then you keep going and you almost

715
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: get into the desert like high Yeah, so it goes

716
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: from high desert prairie to eastern deciduous forests. And there's

717
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't know of any other states that encompass all

718
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: those things. One of the most diverse states Texas Texas, Texas,

719
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: Texas does, and I believe California. I think it's number

720
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: three for the most diverse state. For that's a good

721
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: statement ecosystems, like you're talking about what types of animals

722
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: that it could hold just just a terrain. So like

723
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: the you're talking about the eastern half of the state

724
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, large pine, large oaks, this big woods,

725
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: giant and it transitions from there to the cross timbers,

726
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: which is where I grew up, where the where the

727
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: big pines meets the plains, and then it meets the

728
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: plains and then you know, it has all these sub

729
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: ecosystems within the state that we're very fortunate to hold,

730
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, large populations of different animals. Frankly, it's right on. Okay,

731
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: So we've established this project and so people will be

732
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: able to watch this this fall at some at at

733
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: either on television or on YouTube at some point YouTube channel. Yeah, okay,

734
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: So let's talk about your bear hunting. So this bear

735
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: that you took inen was your first bear that you've killed,

736
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: and so what what we're I wanted to ask you,

737
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: ask you some specific questions because you already said that

738
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: We've talked quite a bit and we were talking about

739
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: baiting bears and whatnot, Like, what were the what was

740
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge inside of being successful baiting bears in Oklahoma?

741
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: The biggest challenge was getting to the bait uh, running

742
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: the base stations, I know, just the actual work of

743
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: the actual work, the actual work of making sure that

744
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: there was always food, you know, where I was wanting

745
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: to be hunting. That was by far the because I

746
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fortunate to travel and to hunt across

747
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: the country. In September is a busy month for me,

748
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: and you know, our season opens up October one. But

749
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: my hunting season opens up the end of October or

750
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: end of August, right, and so in between trips, I

751
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: was scheduling, you know, you know, driving down to to

752
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: run bait in southeast Oklahoma. And I was having my

753
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: my dad um hunted bear with me, and I was

754
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: having him run my bay station while I was going

755
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: on trips. I was going on an elk hunt for

756
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: twelve days in the middle of the middle of September.

757
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: And I mean our bait station was you know, running

758
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: out in four or five days, so we had to

759
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: make sure there's always bait there, you know what I mean.

760
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know this until uh, you know, it was

761
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: fortunate to have you to text and to ask all

762
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: these questions too. But you know, you don't want to

763
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: bait to run out, you want them to I mean

764
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: I learned about oil from you, like I would have

765
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: never thought, yeah, grease and you know, knol and because

766
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: you said that the oil gets all over their pads

767
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: and the spreads across the woods, and that brings in

768
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: more bears. And uh, my bait station where I actually killed,

769
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: we were very lucky to have I mean a lot

770
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: of bears. I mean, I hate to say the exact number.

771
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Some people that we hunt with say the exact number,

772
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, they give a number, but it was it

773
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: was way more than one way. We had a really

774
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: we had one really big four had a huge blaze

775
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: on his uh, big chevron, you know, big black chevron

776
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: on his chest. And then we had a big south

777
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: that they were equal size, but she also had a

778
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: huge chevron, and we thought, I thought it was saying

779
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: bear for a long time until I got this. I

780
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: got them together and they were fighting each other. Uh.

781
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: But then we had we had those two We had

782
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: the two boards like that with the size that I killed,

783
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: and we had a couple of boars that were actually

784
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: really that size. Are a few boars, and then a

785
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: bunch of like random you know, salsand cubs. I mean,

786
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: we had a very active bait station. And he said

787
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: one place that you were baiting over there. We had

788
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: one place that we ended up keeping baiting. You tried

789
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: some other places that didn't work. Yeah, they didn't. They

790
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: didn't they didn't like Yeah, they didn't take as well

791
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: as that place. What do you think what was the

792
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: problem with those bears? Weren't there wasn't secluded. Was there

793
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: any factors in the successful bait that you could say

794
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: these were the factors that made this one successful. Like

795
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: in terms of location, Yeah, so where I killed. So

796
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: where we're hunting. I don't want to give away the

797
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: name of the mountain, but we're hunting on a pretty

798
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: tall mountain on our property, and uh we're on the

799
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: north face of it. And I think being on the

800
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: north face in October helped. I don't know if this

801
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: has anything at all, but I think that that's definitely

802
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: the cooler side of the ountain. I think that that helped.

803
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: And we were right next to a spring fed creek.

804
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean literally, the back of my blind was up

805
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: against a creek that always had water in it. And

806
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: uh so around that creek it's a big draine that

807
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: goes up and down the mountains. So if animal wants

808
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: to go up the mountain, which I when I say

809
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: a mountain, it's you know, fet from the bottom of

810
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: the top and there's a huge, you know, a gully

811
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: that goes up so that if you're going to go

812
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: up it, that's the easiest place to go up it.

813
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: And uh so it's a natural corridor because of that,

814
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: there's water there on the north side of the mountain.

815
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: I think it was cool. I think then bears want

816
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: to stay cool that time of year, So I think

817
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: that had a lot to do with it. One of

818
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: the other stations that we had, I mean it kind

819
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: of got bad luck. It was more in the open.

820
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: I put it kind of in the open for the

821
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: video aspect of it, but like just a curse of

822
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: bad luck. Um. Two days before uh the first open

823
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: the opener. Uh, we were were hundred yards off of

824
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: a big oil or well site. You know, they moved

825
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: in an oil rig to clear out the whole. Okay,

826
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, so there's forty people on trucks and and

827
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: so that that kind of killed that spot because there

828
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: we did have a good bear coming in there. Uh

829
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: So maybe that spot would be good in the future, yes,

830
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: but yes, and there the chance of them coming in now.

831
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: They were literally just going in there to clean it

832
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: up for some reason. So they're gonna coming there for

833
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: years now. Uh So, yeah, that would be a good

834
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: spot and that but that spot is also right next

835
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: to the creek, so I think the water has lots

836
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: of water had a lot to do with you. Also,

837
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: on the north side of a mountain, the most of

838
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: the time that that time of year there would be

839
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: a southerly or southwesterly prevailing wind, So that wind would

840
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: have been blowing from the south, blowing your scent up

841
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: onto that mountain. Correct. No, we were on the north face,

842
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: so it had been coming over the mountain. Let me

843
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: think about what you're saying. Okay, okay, you're right, I'm

844
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: back I'm backwards. And I was concerned because it is

845
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty steep mountain. I was concerned that

846
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: the prevailing wind is out of the south. Like you

847
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: said that we don't get last squirrels. And with all that,

848
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: I know how greatly the vegetation will affect, you know,

849
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: wind currents. I was really afraid that our wind current

850
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: would be swirling a lot in there, and I honestly

851
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: believe it was swirling a lot, but we got really

852
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: lucky on the opener. It didn't affect us. So, but

853
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: that could be why I like to be on the

854
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: north because the wind is swirling, they can smell everything. Yeah,

855
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, it seems to me that in

856
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: those mountains the wind swirls no matter where you're at.

857
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: That that well, that's what the vegetation. Yeah, it really does.

858
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Those little kind of smaller mountains like that with a

859
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: lot of drainages and different things just swirls like crazy everywhere.

860
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: So you killed, so you you started baiting these bears.

861
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: You were running running the baits, which is a ton

862
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: of work, and people that haven't hunted over bait, you know,

863
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: sometimes don't understand the amount of work gathering bait and

864
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: all these different things. You know. But one thing that

865
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: we said earlier is that there's there's no other big

866
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: game hunt that you interact with and animal as closely

867
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: as a baited black bear hunt. Because it's like a

868
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: white tail deer. If you're hunting a white tail deer

869
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: a target buck that you see and kill, you're probably

870
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna see him for like thirty seconds before you kill him,

871
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: and it's probably the first time you've seen him. Uh,

872
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: you may have had this experience. But like over the

873
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: years of baiting bears, I mean, you'll you'll see bears often,

874
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: Like when you're baiting, you'll learn there like actually see them.

875
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: When you go into bait. There'll be a bear up

876
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: in the woods or he'll try to come in on

877
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: your You'll and so you see this animal, but you

878
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: know you can't hunt him because it's not season. You're

879
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: watching trail cameras and you realize that that animal is

880
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: patterning you, you know, I mean, like you see that

881
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: he was there two minutes before you got there, and

882
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: then he was there thirty minutes after you left, and

883
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: it's like you kind of start playing this like cat

884
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: and mouse game with this animal. Nothing else is like that,

885
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: and so it it it forms kind of a unique

886
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: hunt in my mind because you're you're just I mean,

887
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 1: you're you're you're feeding this animal and um. And it's

888
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: it's the way that I the reason I like hunting

889
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: over bait in this part of the world. You know,

890
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: every every hunt that I do, I try to find

891
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: a kind of what I want to be the limiting factor,

892
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: like where I want the challenge to be and to

893
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: me hunting in this part of the world, I like,

894
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: I like targeting really big, old mature males, um um.

895
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: And so by baiting you can do that. But it's

896
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: also extremely difficult to kill a big giant bear over bait.

897
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't understand that. I mean, they

898
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: just think, well, there's just a big dumb bear that

899
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: just walks in. But like the bear I killed an

900
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Okloma this year, We've been hunting for five years and

901
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I've never laid eyes on him on property that we

902
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: have hunted extensively. Super I mean, it's bear. He knew

903
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: us better than we knew him. Very difficult to hunting

904
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: him for five years. Yeah, getting pictures of him trying

905
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: to take him and I've never seen him, you know,

906
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: And so anyway, I guess I'm trying to paint the

907
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: picture that it's a challenge. It's uh. It's also a

908
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: great conservation method for managing bears. In Oklahoma. The bear

909
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: population is uh upwards of two to three thousand bears

910
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: and there and their harvest in every year between forty

911
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: and eighty bears per year. And the only way that

912
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: they can do that is through bait. Because a lot

913
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: you get a lot of guys that don't understand bait hunting.

914
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: They're like, well, why do you have to hunt over bait?

915
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: Why can't you hunt them like real men. Well, come

916
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma and try to kill a bear just spotting stock,

917
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: and let's see how that goes. I mean, you can

918
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: do it, but it's tough, and so bye bye hunting

919
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: him over bait. It's really a conservation tool to manage

920
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: black bears, but it's also a lot of fun. It's

921
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: a ton of fun to get to see that many

922
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: bears to to create a honey hoole, you know what

923
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean. You you have all these bears coming in

924
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: and it's just fun to It's fun to be in

925
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: a situation like that because it's you don't you don't

926
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: see that too often you get to see bears interacting

927
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: different stuff. But tell me about killing your bear, Like,

928
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: what was it? Like? Was it? I know it happened quick.

929
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: You killed him on the first morning. Well, one of

930
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: the cool things we talked about, you know, having the work.

931
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean I've actually made it, you know, running the

932
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: bait station. But one of the cool things about this

933
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: hunt is I planned on there being a bear on

934
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: the station when I was getting into blind because actually

935
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: you told me, specifically told me not to go in

936
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: there open the morning. You told me not to. Yeah,

937
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: I disobeyed you. So you made it work though, Yeah,

938
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: but you you you amended for the thing that I

939
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: was telling you not to do, which is going in

940
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: spookle bear right, Yeah, and one of you so you

941
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: amended for that what I did, what I am doing.

942
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: So I put up a mere step like a pop

943
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: up blind originally, and they kept, you know, breaking that.

944
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: They broke it, and they kept dragging off. Every time

945
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: I put it up, they dragged it and they were

946
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: just they played with it. So what I end up

947
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: doing is I built a wooden blind and I put

948
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: it where my mayor step blind was where they I mean,

949
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: they could tear it up. I guess they wanted to,

950
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: but I would blind. So what I did was is

951
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: I situated a trail and something really thick cover and

952
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: cleared out the ground where it was on dirt and rocks,

953
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: all the leaves and country stuff right for about a

954
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards, so you could just slip right

955
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: into the backside of this blind. Yes, and so in

956
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: the dark, in the in the pitch black with no light.

957
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if bear are affected by a flashlights

958
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: or not, but we didn't use one whenever we when

959
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: when it came down to crunch time, we didn't use one.

960
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: Um so we actually slipped the blind. It was wet,

961
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: opened the open the back of the blind, which I

962
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: made to be quiet, slipped in. We put carpet on

963
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: the floor to be quiet, and uh shut the door quietly,

964
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: looked out the window. There was a you know, a

965
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: black bear at twenty yards. It was pitch black. Now,

966
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it was it was pitch black.

967
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: We can make out a blob moving in the in

968
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: the darkness, and then I got my glasses on him,

969
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: and you know, could tell that it was black bear. Yeah,

970
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: and it was one of So, like I told you,

971
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: we had different animals coming into the station, and I

972
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: knew that it was one of the not the two

973
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: big ones, but it was one of the other. To me,

974
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: it was a big bear, right, and so what I

975
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: it was one of It was an adult, right, it

976
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: was an adult. And this one will happened to be

977
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: a color phase one that was there. And it laid there,

978
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and it lay there for over an hour in front

979
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: of We were waiting for the obviously to get legal

980
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: light and for the camera to get light. So once

981
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: the legal light came, we wanted to get a little

982
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: more light for for the camera and to shoot because frankly,

983
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: it's dark in that blind Uh. And he for whatever reason,

984
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: actually not whatever reason I know it was. Now he

985
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: looked up and just scdaddled and you know, they just

986
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: disappeared like that, and as quietly as He's hard to

987
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: explain how quiet these big animals moved through, you know,

988
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: to the timber he disappeared. I was kicking myself for

989
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: not because I mean, he was in front of me

990
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: for obviously hours, but he was it was legal for

991
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty minutes. I could have shot him. Uh,

992
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: I was like, Dad, gun I should. I was trying

993
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: to milk it basically, which I'd never do. And he

994
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: walked off with feeling walking off and less than two

995
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: or three minutes later, from the opposite direction, the same

996
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: size bear slipped in and that was the bear that

997
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: end up shooting. And uh, he messed around there at

998
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: the at the at the station for a little bit

999
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: and I drew back him and I shot him. Unfortunately,

1000
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: he went down thirty yards and you know, right in

1001
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: front of the right in front of the blind so uh,

1002
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: it was it was pretty surreal, I mean really, and

1003
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: then my dad came in. Yeah, we happened real quick,

1004
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: and he died basically at the bait station. Uh. And

1005
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: so we we drove the quad up there somehow, loading

1006
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: him up onto the quad and got out there quickly.

1007
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: And my dad actually came in there that night. He

1008
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: actually that morning and sat there all night and kill

1009
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: one or all day and kill one that evening. You

1010
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: know what, what did you estimate your bear away? You

1011
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: think I think he was. They did not weigh him.

1012
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: I think that he was probably in the high two hundreds,

1013
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: mid two hundreds, Frank, I mean that's what I think.

1014
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: People that was with they said, and actually the biology

1015
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: said he was over three hundred. But I thought he

1016
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: was in the high two And I'm only guessing off

1017
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: of like picking him up and handling a boar. It

1018
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: was a boar. Yes, he had a little bit blaze

1019
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: on his on his little white patches chess, which thought

1020
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: was cool. I mean, the the one that out the

1021
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: target bear he had a you know, from shoulder to

1022
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: shoulder and real thick and it was just beautiful. Uh.

1023
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: But yep, the one I got was super proud of. Um.

1024
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I haven't ate it yet. I have to text you

1025
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: for some uh, for some recipes. Well, you can pretty

1026
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: much use it for anything. Anything you're using beef. It's good. Yeah,

1027
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: you need to you need to eat it. It's good stuff.

1028
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna eat. It's in my freezer. I just

1029
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: haven't pull it out yet and cooked it. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1030
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: well you have to try it. That could be something

1031
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: I do on my third birthday. That's a good idea.

1032
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: Barbecue bear smoked bear smoke it. Yeah, what kind of smoke, Uh,

1033
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: hickory smoke. Thick hickory smoke. That's I really like smoking bear,

1034
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: like brisket, like barbecue, barbecue, sauce all over it. Smoked

1035
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: the roast, yeah, like smoke a ham like uh, and

1036
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: just make smoke bear good. I seasoned it and do

1037
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: everything just like I was smoking a brisket or yeah,

1038
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: just treated treated just like beef for pork. I mean,

1039
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: just kind of like a fatty portion of b for pork.

1040
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, trim off most of the fat.

1041
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: You're some people say you gotta trim my fall the fat.

1042
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily had too much problem with with fat.

1043
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: But you'll be surprised how good it will taste. Is

1044
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: it important to cook it slowly because I know that, Well,

1045
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: you need to cook it thoroughly for sure. I mean

1046
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: you because of what's the what's the chicken ella is

1047
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: what that's what they can have. But what's uh I

1048
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: was I was gonna say, cooking slowly to render, you know,

1049
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: like that, because they're very there's a lot of I

1050
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: don't know if it's called tendons or whatever, there's live

1051
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: send you in there. Yeah, it can be tough if

1052
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: you don't if you don't if you don't get it

1053
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: tender just by cooking it for a long time for sure. Yeah. Well, um,

1054
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: I like what you did and that you cleared out

1055
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: a path and got in there before daylight. And I

1056
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: just want to say that that's a good strategy if

1057
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: your goal is just to kill a bear. But let

1058
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: me paint a different picture for you. Let's say you

1059
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: had a five pound bear that was the only bear

1060
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: that you were interested in taking, you know, on a bait.

1061
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: That's when I wouldn't do that because it was a

1062
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: little bit risky. Right. Well, because you know how risky

1063
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: it was. Is the my number one bear, which he

1064
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a five pound bear, but he was probably mid

1065
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: three hundreds or high three hundreds, really good bears. He

1066
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: was on there in about twenty minutes before I got there, Okay,

1067
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I was that close

1068
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: to spooking him well, And and you think about when

1069
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: you watch a lot of these bears and how they

1070
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: interact with bait. They're just when they leave and art

1071
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: in front of your camera. It doesn't mean that they

1072
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: just disappear from the planet. They might be out in

1073
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: the woods fifty yards bedded down, and so you like

1074
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: walking in and you know you could have you could

1075
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: have bumped him or something. But again, good job you

1076
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: made it work. But that's the reason I always tell people,

1077
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: especially if you're targeting like a ultra, I mean, just

1078
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: an animal that you really want to kill and don't

1079
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: want to mess up. I like just hunting afternoons, because

1080
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: I promise you if you spooked a bear, a big

1081
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: bear like that off of bait, most of the time

1082
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: he's not gonna come back. I mean for a long time,

1083
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: or at least during the daylight. Let me let me

1084
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: say that. In Oklahoma and Arkansas, I can't speak for that,

1085
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: and in Canada you can do whatever you want. In

1086
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: some other places bears are just not as a tune

1087
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: to being bumped. But these big bears are. They just

1088
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: know how to do. So that's why I'm like ultra

1089
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: careful because I'd rather come in there in the early

1090
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: the late afternoon, gets set up and then kill him

1091
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: right it dark when he's coming back in from being bedded.

1092
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: So do you run in so you whenever you run stations,

1093
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: do you run in there with the quiet or some

1094
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: type of trucker. Yeah, I don't have any problem just

1095
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: with with driving actually to the bait site and making

1096
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of noise and leaving. Said, I mean,

1097
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't try try to make noise, but um, what

1098
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: I say is just whatever pattern that you established for

1099
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: baiting bears, don't break it. So like if you like,

1100
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that are challenged by the

1101
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: time frames that they have to work inside of baiting bears,

1102
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: and so they might come in after work one day,

1103
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: it might come in before work the next day to

1104
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: bait bear. So you know, they might be there at

1105
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: seven o'clock in the morning. There might be there at dark.

1106
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's the worst thing that you can do,

1107
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: because you're trying to create this safe space for this

1108
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: big old bear that's ultra smart to decide that it's

1109
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: okay to be here during daylight. And so if he

1110
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: if you're extremely predictable, he will be more predictable because

1111
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: because after you leave it, you know, I pretty much

1112
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: have a window from like ten thirty to two that

1113
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: I will bait my best places. I might have some

1114
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: fringe places that I'm testing out that I might roll

1115
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: in there at six o'clock and throw it. But I mean,

1116
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: it's like I'm just not that concerned about it. You know,

1117
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: there's a two and pound bear on the bay. But

1118
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: like when I was trying to kill Batman last year,

1119
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, you gotta do a ton of stuff

1120
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: right to make it work. And so I would I

1121
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: would rather let the bait go dry than go in

1122
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: there at six o'clock in the afternoon a week before

1123
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: season and put out bait. That's my philosophy. And so anyway,

1124
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: just the more predictable that you can be, the more

1125
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: predictable they'll be because they feel safe. That's basically the

1126
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: essence of it. But well, that's I will definitely take

1127
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: that to heart. I will follow that more. Next year,

1128
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: I will be after a little I mean, next year,

1129
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm gona hunt again, and I'm gonna be after a little,

1130
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: bigger bear. And so maybe it'll be like I said,

1131
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: it depends on what you're trying to do, right, I

1132
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: was trying to kill a bear with black for you know,

1133
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: that was what I was good. You got it done well.

1134
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: The main thing that I I take from a conservation

1135
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: perspective of of kind of what we're talking about. We

1136
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: talked about your slam with killing these five big game

1137
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: animals and in Oklahoma, is that I was thinking about

1138
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: this from a macro perspective. Man, those animals are there,

1139
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: and the habitat for those animals is there because of

1140
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: hunters for real, like hunters of the ones that are

1141
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: hundreds of the ones that reintroduced bear essentially back into

1142
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma hunters. I know elk. I'm pretty sure the elk

1143
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: were reintroduced their native over there, but they were reintroduced

1144
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: at some point because they were extra payd out of Oklahoma.

1145
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: It you know, it wasn't the anti hunting organizations that

1146
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: put those elk there. It was guys that had ultimately

1147
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: the first love that they have was for wildlife. But

1148
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: the second thing is is they wanted to hunt elk.

1149
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so Brandon always, you know, everything that we're

1150
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: doing is especially being bear hunters. You know, bear hunters

1151
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: are the low hanging fruit for the anti hunting community,

1152
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: and we see it firsthand here at Bear Hunting Magazine.

1153
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: A lot of people, even hunters, don't understand why we

1154
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: hunt bear. They're like, you know, they ask us if

1155
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: we eat it, They ask us why we want to

1156
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: hunt a bear? And uh So I always always bring

1157
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: it back to these kind of conservation principles, of of

1158
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: of why we well of of why we even have bear.

1159
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: And in in Oklahoma we have bear because of hunters.

1160
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: That's essentially what I'm saying. We have elk in Oklahoma

1161
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: because of hunters, I mean, and we're the ones that

1162
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: are historically I've been protecting habitat and putting money into

1163
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: habitat and wildlife conservation. And so really it's a testament

1164
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: to the North American mile of wild wildlife conservation that

1165
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: Oklahoma has five big game species like it does, which

1166
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: is incredible. And so really what I see when I

1167
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: see you doing what you're doing, it's really a celebration

1168
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: of of a celebration of a celebration of conservation working,

1169
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: you know. And and at the same time, it's just

1170
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: really cool to be able to do that, to do

1171
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: with the bust. So there's all these like hunting feats

1172
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: that is really cool about it. But also there's a

1173
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: bigger picture to me that's really cool that a lot

1174
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 1: of people wouldn't have known about. And um so yeah,

1175
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: well Colby, you hadn't said a word. I know. I'm like,

1176
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: haven't you haven't. We haven't given you a place to

1177
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: step in. You know. I really like podcasting. The live

1178
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: version is just as good as when I listened to

1179
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: my truck. Yeah yeah, except every now and then you

1180
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: hear your voice like popping in on the when you're

1181
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: in the truck. Yeah, I'm saying stuff like yeah, yeah,

1182
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: well any uh any closing, let me go to Kobe

1183
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: and then we'll end with you closing thoughts called it

1184
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: what observations comments thoughts? Man? I think uh, I think

1185
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: the quote that keeps coming in my mind is the

1186
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: dream is free and the hustle is sold separately. Yeah

1187
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, No, the the whole thing is really cool.

1188
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, especially to do it with the bow, you know,

1189
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: I have to get that close. And uh yeah, I'm

1190
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: always surprised that guys can get an antelope with the bow,

1191
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Like it always just blows my mind because they have

1192
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: such a good sight, and they're so fast, and I

1193
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: don't know, I was surprised too. Yeah, i'd assume them

1194
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: any five yards. You said that was the hardest hunt

1195
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: out of the Out of the five in Oklahoma, the

1196
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: antelope was the hardest one to get on the ground. Yeah,

1197
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: because for a couple of reasons. One, like you said,

1198
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: the eyesight. But in Oklahoma, there's a bunch of control

1199
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: hunts starting in the beginning of September. They go they're

1200
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: all rifle hunts. There's a limited amount of area that

1201
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: you can't even hunt antelope in Oklahoma. You know, there's

1202
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: a county and a half and uh so they've been

1203
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: hunted for a month. I showed up at the end

1204
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: of the archery season. The archer seasons from October the

1205
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: one fourteenth. I showed up. My first day was the

1206
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: tenth day. I had five days the tenth to four

1207
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: and uh and and so so I had at the

1208
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: very tail end of over a month of hunting. So

1209
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: these animals are spooky. They've been hunted. They've been spooked

1210
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: from here to there across the county. And plus there's

1211
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: I was numbers. I think I was number sixty two

1212
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: or sixty something that was checked into that check station,

1213
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: which that means there was more because there's another check

1214
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: section down the road. So let's just say there was eighty.

1215
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: There was eighty less antelope to kill. Um presumably the

1216
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: dumb ones exactly, it's the smart ones, right, and to

1217
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: boot when I get there. The day I'm pulling in,

1218
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: uh uh, it's three degrees and the snowing and so.

1219
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: And it had been raining the entire because traditionally when

1220
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: people think of a bow hunt for antelope, they think

1221
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: of sitting over water because that is by far the

1222
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: most productive. Yeah and so, and it's post rut too,

1223
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: So I had a decoy, but they weren't responsive. You know,

1224
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: it's middle October now, and it's everything's wet, so there's

1225
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: nowhere to go. So it's just it's it's a crap shoot.

1226
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: And I got fortunate. I've used that word a lot,

1227
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: but you know, I was fortunate. I was very lucky

1228
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: to to have a buck that was bettered in a

1229
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: certain spot. Recordst You were just lucky, Brandon, Yeah, that's all.

1230
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: It was just purey brother, I'll take it. I had

1231
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: a very lucky season. I did. No, I don't. I

1232
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: don't like it when people use that word because you know,

1233
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: inside of a hunt, like Hoby said, the dream, it's

1234
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: the quote that I used. All the dream is free,

1235
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: the hustle is sold separately. So I mean you did

1236
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: a ton of work on this. You know. I think

1237
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: inside of an individual hunt, like a guy could be fortunate,

1238
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: could be lucky, like favorable circumstances. But you gotta hustle

1239
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: to find a favorable circumstance. And that's what successful hunters

1240
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: do as they hustle and work and work and work

1241
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: and work until they get lucky. Yeah, that's very true.

1242
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: It's the truth. You mean, you're just you're searching for

1243
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: that moment of a good fortune when the winds in

1244
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: your favor, the animal stalkrble, you make a good shot,

1245
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: and everything comes together. So you know, and you know

1246
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: that and most people that are hunters that are listening

1247
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: to this podcast would know that too. There. Luck is

1248
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: probably not the best way to describe it, but it

1249
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: does play a part in it. Well, if you if

1250
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: you don't think that you're lucky, then you're a liar. Uh,

1251
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,439
Speaker 1: every every opportunity, no matter if you have a deer

1252
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: and animal bear anything, if you have a pattered down

1253
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: to a t like, you know, it's gonna walk by

1254
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: this tree at three forty five every single day, and

1255
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: it's done it for ten days in a row. Guess

1256
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: why if you're gonna sitt there the leventh thing, it

1257
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: has to do it the eleven times in a row.

1258
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: You have to get lucky for that anim want to

1259
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: do it, you know, no matter no matter how smart

1260
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: and how good you think you are, you have to

1261
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: be lucky. And every one of the kills that I

1262
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: had this year, Yeah, I put a lot of work

1263
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of mental preparation that went

1264
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: into this whole endeavor um. But to have the animals

1265
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: in front of me and for me to capitalize on them,

1266
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: that's luck. And yes, there was a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of work, you know, but you gotta to get there.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of luck to Yeah, well that's awesome. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, we really didn't get into the nitty gritty

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Speaker 1: of like every animal. We'll leave that for the show.

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Speaker 1: We'll leave that for people later this fall to be

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Speaker 1: able to see the details of every of every hunt

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Speaker 1: and uh. Closing thoughts, you're at the man, You're at

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Speaker 1: the global headquarters, this is like the This is like

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Speaker 1: the bear hunting mecca of the world. I believe it.

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Speaker 1: Looking around the room, I can tell that that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what it is. There is dead bear and bear paraphernalia

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Speaker 1: and white tell paraphernalia all around me. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I I greatly appreciate you helping me out on this,

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Speaker 1: On this project, You're gonna provide a tremendous amount of insight.

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Speaker 1: When we did a couple of interviews, right, Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: didn't really explain that. Yeah, So what you did is

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Speaker 1: you did some interviews to provide some insight for the

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Speaker 1: history of the black bear and you know, just overall

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Speaker 1: information on on black bear and black bear in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Uh something that I can't provide because I don't know

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Speaker 1: any of it. Uh. So I come to people like you,

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Speaker 1: experts like you, and um lucky to have you know,

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Speaker 1: like bar Running mag and you know, a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other organizations helped me out. For the other end. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do a podcast sometime really soon with a bear

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Speaker 1: biologist in Oklahoma and a lady that's done more bear

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Speaker 1: research in Oklahoma than anybody else. So that's coming. That

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Speaker 1: would be a total total nerd outilogical session. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: be listening. That would be it'll be really good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I greatly appreciate your help and uh, you

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Speaker 1: you definitely knocked out of the park with your interview.

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Speaker 1: So uh, I'm just grateful to have the opportunities I had,

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Speaker 1: and um, we did. We haven't mentioned this, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I was fortunate to be the first one to ever

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Speaker 1: We didn't even say that. Yeah, I'm the only one,

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Speaker 1: not only so I didn't know this going into it.

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Speaker 1: We'll close with this. I didn't know that going into

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that I was going to be the

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Speaker 1: first one to ever tag all five of those animals

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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. And yes, there may have been someone that's

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Speaker 1: done it before, probably not in the same not in

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Speaker 1: the same season with the bow though. Well no, well

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I thought if I thought, if I

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Speaker 1: could pull that off, I might be the first one

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Speaker 1: to ever do that. But it turns out I'm the

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Speaker 1: only one to ever tag all five and then period. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no one's ever done with any weapon. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: to to get it all in one year with the bow, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to top that season. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: until the sequel. Ain't gonna be a sequel for that,

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Speaker 1: not in Oklahoma. So trad yeah, the game trad bow

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Speaker 1: next time, Oh my gosh struggles. Well, hey, so you can.

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Speaker 1: You can check out Brandon Adams on Instagram be Underscore,

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Speaker 1: Underscore b A Underscore atoms, or check us out on

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: Major League Owner at Major League Bow, go follow us

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, you know, all the whole one yours watching

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Speaker 1: someone sports to channel Starry get Q three, which is

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Speaker 1: in July. Yeah, and then check out Sland it'll be

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Speaker 1: this fall, probably in August sometime. Uh, we don't have

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Speaker 1: that boy, good time. Check that out. Definitely it'll be online,

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Speaker 1: you know probably yeah, right out, Thanks Brandon, Well keep

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Speaker 1: the wilds Wild Bears.