WEBVTT - #453 Packers Unscripted: Walk-off win 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:20.680 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.360 I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.640 West Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.760 at lambeau Field and West. We are coming off of 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.360 a short night of sleep. It's after a thrilling Packers 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.919 come from behind victory to twenty two over the Detroit 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.120 Lions on Monday Night football lambeau Field a walk off 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.199 field goal by Mason Crosby. There is so much to 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.080 talk about with this game and how it unfolded and 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.760 how the Packers came out with the victory. Where do 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.960 you want to start, my friend? There are three rules 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.600 that I live by, Michael. Never speed in school zones, 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.080 always tip your waiter waitress, and never apologize for a victory. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.280 The Green Dave Packers did just that on Monday Night football, 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.280 and I was talking to a number of players about 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.399 this in the locker room afterwards. Was it the prettiest game? No? 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.640 Were there missed opportunities? Yes? Were they beaten by three 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.840 in the turnover battle? They were, But at the end 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.399 of the day, the defense got the stops that they 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.280 needed to keep Detroit out of the end zone, and 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.440 just enough playmakers made plays for Aaron Rodgers in this 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.520 offense to pull out the victory. I don't know how 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.680 you felt about it. I felt like this was one 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.720 of Aaron rodgers finest hours. He did not have Davante 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.000 Adams for the second straight week. Geronimo Allison leaves the game. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.160 I just thought he put on a masterclass about not 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.880 only how to play the quarterback position, but bouncing back 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.240 from adversity. A number of different instances in that game 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.880 where a lesser quarterback, a less experienced quarterback could crumble 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.800 underneath that drop touchdowns, interceptions that probably shouldn't have been in. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.920 Aaron Rodgers rose above it, and he found a guy 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.000 that had twenty one offensive snaps to his NFL career 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.280 resume going into this game in Alan Lazard made some 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.040 incredible catches down the stretch. Yeah, I think that's as 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.440 good a place to start as any as with Alan Lazard. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.160 You said it, the twenty plus offensive snaps he'd played 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.799 in his NFL career. He had one catch for seven 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.560 yards to his name as an NFL player, and it 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.840 wasn't even from Aaron Rodgers. It came in week seventeen 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.040 when Rogers was out with a concussion last year in 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.919 what really was a meaningless game against Detroit that the 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.600 Packers got it handed to him that day to wrap 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:35.080 up a rough eighteen. But Alan Lazard I mean listening 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.000 to Rogers in his postgame press conference talking about how 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.679 he went to Alvis Wood at the wide receiver's coach 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.520 with the Packers down by a couple of scores in 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.800 the fourth quarter, and said, hey, put number thirteen in 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.880 the game, Let's see what can happen here. And then 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.280 third and five from the thirty five yard line when 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.800 you're down by nine points. He had just tried to 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.120 go to Lazard, tough play in traffic down the seam, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.800 almost makes a great catch, gets broke and up. Next 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.240 play goes right back to him one on one down 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.720 the sideline with Justin Coleman, who had had the big 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.760 interception of the deflection of Darius Shepherd at the goal 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.639 line on the Packers previous possession. The throw is right 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.560 on the money, Lizard makes the catch, tumbling into the 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.679 end zone, and suddenly a star is born. Not only 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.240 with that touchdown, but then Lazard catches three passes for 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.320 thirty yards on the final drive, two of those that 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.440 moved the chains to help set up the game winning 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.360 field goal. This Uh, this young receiver from Iowa State. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.800 He didn't make the fifty three man roster out of 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.240 training camp. He was on the fifty three the day 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.760 before the opener when Darius Shepherd had a hamstring injury 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.240 and couldn't place who was only on the practice squad 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.240 for a few days. At the end of the day, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.680 West the Packers are lucky that this six ft five 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.840 receiver out of Iowa State was not claimed on waivers, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.000 because otherwise he's not even here to be able to 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:56.760 make those plays at the end of a week six 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.840 Monday night games, they roll the dice a little bit. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.800 It was one of the first thing that actually was 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.520 the first thing that Aaron Rodgers kind of acknowledged when 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.720 he was speaking at the podium. But the fact of 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.320 the matter is they did the same thing with Geronimo Allison, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.920 Jake Crumero, a number of these players that have been 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.000 on the bubble before and you know, been on the 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.760 practice squad. But they brought him right back up right away. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.280 And I remember talking to Allen about that that week after, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.320 and sure there was some disappointment involved with not making 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.800 the initial fifty three. That was a big goal for him, 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.040 but he also saw the end game when he resigned 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.960 with the Packers. And there's a lot you know, everybody 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.760 wants to make comparisons about players like you know, player 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.760 A plays like player X from But the thing that 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.640 I like the most of aut Alanas artist he has 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.440 a very similar temperament to Davante Adams. This is an 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.880 ultra confident athlete. He might have been an undrafted free agent, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.240 he might have spent a majority of his first rookie 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.039 season on the practice squad of the Jaguars, but he 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.480 feels like he belongs and he was just waiting for 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.159 that moment. I thought you saw him, you know, show 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.279 those attributes. Throughout the preseason, he made some credible catches 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.560 in at slate, but very productive in the month of August, 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.800 no question about it. He made a legitimate run out 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.480 of roster spot and uh, I know it wasn't an 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.480 easy decision for the Packers, but decisions are tough. Fortunately 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.960 it worked out that he wasn't claimed. He came back. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.520 Rogers talked about how he's done nothing but work hard. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.680 He didn't let the disappointment affect him and uh, and 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.479 he came up big when his number was called, and 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.360 that's what I really liked about. I mean, as you mentioned, 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.320 Rogers throws that contested passed to him. He was asked 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.919 in his Pope Lazar was was asking his postgame scrum, like, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.240 did you say anything to Rogers, like, you know, to 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.040 throw it back to me? He said, I just kept 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.840 throwing it, telling to throw me the ball. And you 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.239 know he wasn't throwing at every play. He was obviously joking, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.279 but that's just the way he's wired. And I think 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.560 he even it was your column that he had retweeted 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.880 this morning, um saying he's made for this, this is 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.480 the moments he's made for, and he echoed those comments afterwards. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.680 He's incredibly humble, he said, this is a huge dream 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.599 come true to be able to have four catches for 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.320 sixty yards in a touchdown, all in the last ten 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.480 minutes of a game, only playing seventeen offensive snaps, and 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.279 yet having that production. But at the same time, like 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.120 as markisveld Is Scantling, other guys said in the locker room, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.400 this isn't surprise anybody. Al Lazard has been calling his 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:11.800 shot since he got to Green Bay and he had 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.720 a chance to show what he could do on Monday night. Well, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.279 and Rogers said after the touchdown on the final drive 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.800 for the Packers, Lazard was coming back to the huddle 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.320 and telling Rogers what routes he wanted to run. He 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.599 was getting a feel for the coverage, what the Lions 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.000 were running, what he was comfortable with, and how he 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.400 could get open. Rogers said there was one moment where 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.960 La Fleur was in between two different play calls when 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.960 there was a time out or they were discussing something 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.080 on the sideline, and Rogers told him to go with 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.240 the one that included the route that Lazard had told 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.480 him he wanted to run. And the Packers got a 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.800 first down out of it, and the ball keeps moving 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.839 down the field. Just great execution by a green Bay 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.360 down the stretch. Yes, the illegal hands to the face 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.400 penalty on Trey Flowers, his second one of the game, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.360 certainly factored into the Packers being able to run out 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.280 the clock and not give Matthew Stafford a chance. Going 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.239 the other way, the Lions would have had ninety seconds. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.840 I think we're so if that third down penalty is 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.840 not called, and then you have to kick the field 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.840 goal a little bit earlier with Mason Crosby. But but boy, yeah, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.680 you drain the last sixty six off the clock fourteen 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.480 plays seventy seven yards from the Packers perspective, you can't 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.320 draw it up any better. Yeah, I remember seeing this 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:26.760 to you in the press box right around I think 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.480 it was too forty one remaining, like, oh, could the 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.200 Packers legitimately run this thing? They could run it out. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.760 There are three things I want to mention here. Okay, 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.960 first and foremost, I've been really hard on officiating this 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.240 year in the inbox and obviously here. The review process 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.080 is something that is driving me bonkers. But the job 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.960 of referees itself, I don't envy them, especially in two 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.280 thousand nineteen. I want no part of that. If we 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.360 want to have more conversation about that tomorrow, we can 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.200 discuss that then. But the bigger point I want to 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.840 make is that I'm sure there's gonna be a lot 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.480 of people in Detroit, a lot of people in Michigan 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.760 that are upset. They feel like they, you know, they 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.040 got it taken away from a little bit. The fact 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.560 of the matter is Mike because Detroit didn't finish drives, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.920 and that's where the Packers ultimately beat them. That's why 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.800 they were able to overcome the three turnovers. It wasn't 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.080 the officials or the penalties that it's the fact that 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.920 Detroit had to settle for five Matt Parator field goals 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.280 um including some in the red zone. You have to 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.280 be able to finish off drives if you're gonna win this, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.920 like the Green Bay Packers have found that out too. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.400 You look at the NFC Championship game five years ago, well, 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:26.960 and I was gonna say just a couple of weeks 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.400 ago against the Philadelphia Eagles. The Packers are in the 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.560 same kind of situation in terms of, yes, you're lamenting 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.400 the fact at the end of the Eagles game that 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.200 there's not past interference called on the past of Valda 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.840 scantling at the goal line that leads to the deflection 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.040 in the interception. Everybody could see the pictures. Everybody knows 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.280 that it's past interference. But at the end of the day, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.440 the Packers had plenty of other chances to win the game. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.640 You can't sit there and cry about a call or 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.640 a no call or whatever it is when you have 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.520 those opportunities. The Packers knew they had their chances against 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.760 the Eagles. They didn't get the job done. They licked 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.600 their wounds, and they've come back and found a way 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.920 to win two more games. Yeah, and the Lions legitimately 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.760 did shoot themselves in the foot at several turns. Look 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.600 about it like having twelve men on the field for 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.520 a field goal opportunity. That's an excusable four points that 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.520 you have to know what your personnel is when you 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.880 go out there in that unit. There was an instance 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.240 where you know, Matt Floor took a time out because 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.800 they had twelve defensive players on the field. They were 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.199 switching out from a base defense to their dime. I mean, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.240 that's stuff that you understand. A field goal operation of protection. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.080 You have to know what your job responsibility is the 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.200 coaches field goal block on the sideline and it's supposed 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.079 to you have to know who the eleven guys are 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.360 that are going in a game. So the point I 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.720 want to kind of close up on this whole discussion 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.880 with is Detroit came out of the gate and had 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.360 two huge plays right away. The flee flicker to Kenny 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.400 Galladay for sixty six yards and then Marvin Hall had 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.800 his fifty eight yard touchdown or fifty eight yard pass 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.520 that led to a touchdown on that drive ten points 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.360 right off the bat. After that, they did not have 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.280 another play of more than twenty five yards the mainder 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.880 of the game, the Agreemat Packers had five. So that's 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.720 what it came down to me, and I wrote about 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.640 this in Packers dot com with our with our locker report. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.440 It was lazard as you wrote about in your column. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.200 It was Jamal Williams coming back after missing two weeks, 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.080 comes back as a hundred four yard Rushi performance was 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.439 a stabilizing presence for four quarters for this team. Uh 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.000 and then obviously slid down late, so you want to 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.840 go in the end zone to to allow Mason Crosby 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.680 to hit the field goal. It was Crosby making three 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.520 big field goals, the biggest of which was the twenty 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.200 three yarder to win it. And then also you have 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.760 to tip your cap to this to this auxiliary players, 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.160 the the Marcedes Lewis is having two catches for fifty yards, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.400 the will Redmond's playing safety Chandon Sullivan played safety in 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.840 this game. Jannon Sullivan's not listed as a safety. I mean, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.679 it is just when you get that's the biggest thing 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.199 that really separates this team. I feel, as opposed to 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.200 where the Packers were at last year, is that if 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.280 the starters go down, they just have guys that are 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.520 more experienced and a little behind them. And I think 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.559 that's what's allowed them in the instances when everything doesn't 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.560 go right, to be five and one at this point, Yeah, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.360 I want to get back to that point in a minute, West, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.400 but I can't forget about our sponsored business. Select Cousin 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.360 Subs locations are now offering delivery. Whether you're ordering catering 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.920 or your favorite sub, they're delivering right to you when 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.040 you order online at Cousin Subs dot com. Cousin Subs 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.760 we believe in better. Yeah. I wanted to get to 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.360 Jamal Williams here because, as you and I both know, West, 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.080 this game can humble you quickly, and it can humble 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.840 you in different ways. Jamal Williams took that shot on 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.520 the opening play against the Philadelphia Eagles, and he's out 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.360 for a couple of weeks. He's can't get himself back 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.960 onto the field. Unfortunately, Aaron Jones becomes the star in 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.760 Dallas with four rushing touchdowns. Well, what happens on Monday night? 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.679 Aaron Jones fumbles the ball. Aaron Jones drops a wide 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.280 open touchdown pass. This game can humble you. And it's 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.560 what you said. It's having those other guys who can 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.880 step in and pick up the slack. And Jamal Williams 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.840 did that. He had a forty five yard run to 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.040 set up a field goal, the longest rush of his 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.640 career by twenty yards. He ends up with a hundred 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.640 and four yard performance. He keeps his wits and his 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.840 head about him when everybody has said in the huddle, okay, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.360 we're not scoring a touchdown. We want to run the 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.240 clock down and kick the chip shot field goal. The Lions, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.679 you know, part the ways from the eleven yard line. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.920 They're gonna let him walk into the end zone and 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:32.240 he sits down on the three and yeah and bypasses 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.520 the touchdown so that the Packers can execute the final 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.000 drive and the final plays the way they need to, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.160 so that Matthew Stafford doesn't get another crack the other way. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.840 I can't say enough about what Jamal Williams did in 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.760 this game. On top of the fact that it was 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.160 his first game back in the whatever was eighteen days 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.360 since he had taken that shot against the Eagle. Yeah. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.040 The other thing I love about this to talk about 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.120 the cat, you know, willing itself not to eat, the 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:00.200 Canarian situation. I asked Williams about that after the aim 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.040 I mean is that is it difficult to turn that 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.600 switch off because you are just trained your entire football life. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.839 Now I understand there's some instances where I remember I 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:09.559 think it was Brian Westbrook a number of years ago, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.560 or whoever it was, where they're running and then they 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.840 they're wide open. They could just john you know, go 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.800 right into the end zone and they stop at the two, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.000 they slide, they give themselves up. Jamal Williams is right 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.040 in the middle of the battlefield there and the Sea's part, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:23.560 as he said, and he had to make sure he 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.800 got down. He did say, it is a little tough. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.440 It is tough not to want to score. But then 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.880 you have to remind yourself what you're doing. That's the 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.160 benefit to the team not going into the end zone, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.760 being smart in those instances. And Rogers said, hey, he 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.199 probably wanted to dance. He's a dancing light. He wants 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.720 to do is celebrate. I mean jokingly, of course, but 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.760 you can, right And no matter how much it's communicated though, West, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.800 my point is that you have to keep your head 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.920 about you have to keep your wits about you in 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.480 a highly charged, highly competitive, intense moment there because his 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.600 number one priority, of course this ball, security to not 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.080 fumble the ball, and then all of a sudden everything's 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.760 wide open and has the presence of mind to go, no, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.080 I'm not going into the end zone here. We're going 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.079 to do this the uh, the right way, the best 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.640 way to give us the chance to win, and uh 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.800 and the Packers come out with the victory. I was 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.319 really just really really impressed with Jamal Williams start to finish, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.240 and I don't want to jinx him here, and I'm 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.040 sure obviously fans will say I am now. I mean, 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.960 he's gone basically over three and fifty career touches, three 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.320 and fourteen carries, two and sixty four receiving yards without 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.800 a fumble in his NFL career to this, didn't had 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.360 a fumble, lost without a fumble. I mean, and here's 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.320 the thing about Jamal Williams. A couple different points to 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:38.120 this one. He's a fun guy. Everybody understands that. You know, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.120 he's he's joking, he's jovial. He's throwing footballs with kids 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.120 before games. He was really introspective after the game. Any 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.680 can be really introspected. There was a little huddle with myself, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.560 Bill Hubert, Ryan would he's a different personality, but he 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.000 is a very He is a very smartful guy. He 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.600 is an incredibly intelligent guy. And it was when when 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.960 he pulls back all that stuff, it was really interesting 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.320 to just hear him talk about football. And and Ryan 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.120 had asked him a question. It was a good question, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.000 basically saying everybody talks about Aaron Jones, does that frustrate you? 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.840 And he said it doesn't frustrate him because he knows 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.840 the player he is. He's confident in the player he is. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.520 He doesn't care if he's running, blocking, passing, catching the football. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.520 He he's a confident football player. And it ties into 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.040 what he said last week too, when myself and others 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.560 are asking, I mean, how can you have a hit 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.880 like that like you took against Derek Barnett and just 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.960 go back out there and put it behind you? And 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.120 he said, that's my mentality. It's not bravado, it's not 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:34.960 a statement, it's not a line that he's trying to 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.800 give people. He legitimately just wants to play football and 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.320 he's an as to use his own words, he's an 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.240 all around back. He can do it all. And I 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.400 think when you really look at what he's given this 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.160 offense over the last two and a half years, every 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.240 single time they've needed to turn to Jamal Williams for injury, 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.680 for opportunity, for game situation, he's responded and you made delivered. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.880 There's no question you made such a great comment last 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.520 night too, when we watched him after he win in 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.560 for Aaron Jones. You need five yards, He's gonna get 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.960 you five yards, man. I mean, he just was dragging 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.880 piles and then he has a forty five yard carry, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.680 his longest by twenty yards in his NFL career. Uh, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.720 he just found ways to make plays and he ended 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.080 up with his second career hundred yard rushing day. Yeah. Well, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.160 we'd be remiss if we didn't also give due to 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.920 the Packers defense here. You mentioned it earlier, the two 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.720 big plays over the top. Early. I looked at my 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.040 play by play as I was putting some things together 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.280 in the wee hours of the morning after the game 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.400 and finishing up our coverage on the website. Five minutes 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.240 into this game, the Detroit Lions had a hundred and 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.440 thirty two yards of offense. In the last fifty five 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.800 minutes of this game, they only added a hundred and 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.640 sixty seven yards to that total. I mean, what the 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:51.560 green Bay Packers defense did over the last fifty five 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.360 minutes of this ball game was incredible, and they almost 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.400 stopped him on the goal line stand there. Highly questionable call. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.080 You had the two side judges, the one the one 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:07.240 is signaling that it's a stop, and Cleet Blakeman, the referee, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.560 actually signals first down in the Packers direction. The side 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.520 judge on the other side is signaling touchdown, and suddenly 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.000 Cleet Blakeman turns on his microphone and says the ruling 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.800 on the field was touched on moments after he just 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.320 signaled first down Green Bay. There was no discussion, there 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.600 was no huddle. Suddenly it's a Detroit Lions touchdown. Highly questionable. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.879 The replay clearly inconclusive, so they're just gonna stand with 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:30.480 the call in the field based on the way the 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.320 rule is written. But my point is what the Packers 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.840 defense did in this game, holding the Lions to five 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.600 field goals, almost got the goal line stand. Two of 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.800 those possessions for the Lions started in Green Bay territory, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:50.000 and the Packers defense gets the stop, and yeah, it 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.760 ended up ended up being a long field goal, but 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.359 they didn't even give him a first down um green 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.679 Bay's defense. As Aaron Rodgers said after the game, the 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.240 team got punched in the mouth in the earth least 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.920 stages of this game. But they responded. They and they 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.760 didn't just respond, they responded quickly because that thirteen to 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.560 nothing deficit was wiped out by early in the third quarter. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.840 It was thirteen to thirteen. I remember turning to you 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.000 looking at how much time was on the clock in 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.800 the third quarter. I was like, all right, it's thirteen thirteen, 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.360 there's twenty seven minutes left. May the best team win? 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.440 Here we go. Yeah, it's just to touch on really 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:22.920 quickly with the goal line thing. I found it really 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.800 funny that didn't seem to make it into the group 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.640 pool for the you know, the Yeah, there weren't there 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.480 weren't There weren't any questions about how that decision was 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.800 made with no discussion amongst officials who had disagreed with 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.520 what they had seen on the field. But we digress. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.119 But you do wonder if it's one of those things 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.320 where Cleet thought, Okay, well I'll get reviewed. But I mean, yeah, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:42.919 there was no way to tell once it got to that. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.440 But Cleet was the one that actually had the vantage point. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.359 The other guy was looking at shoulder pads. Be that 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.679 as it may. Let's move forward here the Packers defense. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.760 This is what's so important about the confidence that they have. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.439 It's not I've said this several times this year, but 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.280 it's not a synthetic confidence. It's not something that they 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.720 just put on a Phase four and try to act 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.560 like they got swagger and then when they get punched 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.480 in the maut they curl up in the corner and 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.359 and quit. They really truly believe every single time they 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.359 go on the field, regardless of what happened the last series, 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:11.560 that they're going to get a stop, that they're going 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.879 to get a takeaway, that they're gonna make a big play. 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.480