1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. 2 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about privacy and hip A violations when 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: it comes to influencers and celebrities. Then we have a 5 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: couple really dark true crime stories today, involving a mother 6 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: who was arrested after being caught putting feces into her 7 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: child's ivy line at a hospital, and one involving a 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: mom who gave birth in a porta potty and let her 9 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: baby drown in the holding tank. Then we'll talk about 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: wasting taxpayer dollars on stupid death investigations, and we'll finish 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: up with a man who won a twenty five million 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: dollar lawsuit against Pam Cooking Spray. All that and more 13 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: on today's episode. 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 2: All right, So, last year, this British influencer Joshua Caldwell Clark. 15 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: He had been traveling through Michigan and was hospitalized for 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: a torn ligament at some point during the trip. So 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: just recently he got a letter from the hospital stating 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: they just discovered that several hospital employees had accessed his 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: private records for no work related reasons, and they wanted 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: to alert him of the data breach. 21 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is this is like a huge thing 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: that any single person that works in the hospital knows 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: is a big no no. So for those of you 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: who don't know, I mean, when a person comes in 25 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: that's that's either a political person or a celebrity of 26 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: any kind, there's always you're always scared that someone's going 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: to try to look into their information because they could 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: sell it to tabloids and things like that. I actually 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: was thinking when we were talking about over the past 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: couple of weeks about Catherine o'haradie, I was thinking about 31 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: how cool it was that we found out not cool 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: that she had cancer, but we found out that she 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: died from a pulmonary embolism because she had this history 34 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: of rectal cancer. And she's getting treated in the United 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: States right and going. So she's getting diagnosed, she's having 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: a biopsy, she's having blood work, all of this stuff, 37 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: and nobody knew that she had it, which is awesome 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: because that means that all the people at the hospital 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: that were touching her specimens and were treating her, involved 40 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: the nurses, everything, like nobody said anything, and she was 41 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: able to live her life not having her private health 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: information released like that. But we hear in other cases 43 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: that that that's not the case. If you remember when 44 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: that whole thing went down with that hoax with Jesse Smollett, 45 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: like someone looked at his records when he was in 46 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: the hospital. 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: Well, didn't happen with Kate Middleton too, Yeah, Like you 48 00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: can't do that. 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: So when so for example, like if we get a 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: specimen into the lab, like especially in surgical pathology, and 51 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: let's say we got that got who's that actor or 52 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: that just died James Vanderby. Yeah, Like let's say we 53 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: got his coalon cancer case in our lab. If I 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: was the one that was grossing or dissecting it, I 55 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: it's okay that I go into his medical record because 56 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm have direct patient care with him. But let's say 57 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: someone in another lab like flow cytometry for example. Flow 58 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: cytometry is a lab that that mainly works on lymphos 59 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: olymphocyite cases, but like blood disorders and things like that. 60 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: But there would be no reason that they would really 61 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: need to look at a colon cancer case. Right if 62 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: if an employee there just like went into his medical 63 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: record because they heard that he was at the hospital. 64 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: They they can get fire for a hip of violation 65 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: because of that, because they're not directly taking care of 66 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: that patient. And there's no reason that that person had 67 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: to look in his chart besides the fact that they're 68 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: just peeking around. 69 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't you just live in a world where 70 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: you assume everything you're doing is being monitored? 71 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Like how dumb can you be? It is? It is 72 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: especially in so unfortunately, and I've seen this like working 73 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: in the hospital. This could be done in other situations too, 74 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: with like regular people because your neighbor's in the hospital, 75 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: right and your nosy, why is your neighbor in there? 76 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Like we're we're it's like inmbedded in our brains not 77 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: to go in anyone's chart that we don't aren't directly 78 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: taking care of it. It can't be traced back to 79 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: us having to actually touch their specimen and kind of 80 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: so like I'm sure people do it all the time 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: and don't even get caught because they're nobody's But in 82 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: cases like this, when you have high profile people, they're 83 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: certainly looking at it, and they can look and see 84 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: every single person that logged into the case. So and 85 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: like what other reason would some people just want to 86 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: goalk while other people want to sell the story to 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: tabloids and stuff. 88 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: Well, he also said, so he was thankful they sent 89 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: him the letter, which quite frankly, I can't believe they 90 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: sent him the letter. We find out all this bad 91 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: stuff that goes on at hospitals behind the scenes, and 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: they really don't want it getting out there, and they'll 93 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: cover it up. But maybe they thought if this was 94 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: lawsuit worthy and they had internal documents saying they were 95 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: aware of the situation, it would blow up worse. But anyway, 96 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: he's thankful that he got notified. But he said, quote 97 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: the fact that there's people out there who now know 98 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: my personal address and I keep parts of my life 99 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: very private. They know where I live. They know a 100 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: lot of information about me without my permission, and that 101 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: is scary to think about. It's like you are online 102 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: and you are a public figure, so to speak, but 103 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: you work really hard to make sure people don't know 104 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: that information about you, and then you have to be 105 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: hospitalized and then some rando in another department gonna go 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: find out your address and stuff and maybe share it 107 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: with other people. 108 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: It's not cool. Yeah, I mean at another house. Another 109 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: thing too, is that while he was at the hospital, 110 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: he also said while he was heavily medicated, that there 111 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: were people working at the hospital that were coming up 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: for him to him and asking him for selfies. That 113 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: is it is, and like I've had this happen a 114 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: couple times during during this time that I've been on 115 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: Instagram and stuff, because especially locally, like a lot of 116 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: people that work in hospitals and stuff, like they they 117 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: follow me and they know who I am and stuff. 118 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: So I just I don't ever it just like usually 119 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm just going in like, oh, my kid's coughing or 120 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: something stupid, right, So it doesn't it's fine, It's it's 121 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: not embarrassing. But I don't know. I just always think, like, God, 122 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: if I have like a vaginal sister or something, do 123 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: I really want like people knowing that I'm there for 124 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: that It's it's it's it's a scare a little bit, 125 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: just because you know, you don't want everybody knowing every 126 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: single detail about your medical stuff. And also like. 127 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: We're very open people and I think we would share 128 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: anything that happened to us. But it's like it's my story, 129 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: like it's not your story. 130 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: It's so yeah, and I've never had anybody like, well, 131 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: not that I know of or anything, go through my 132 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: chart or anything, but just sometimes I'll have people say 133 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: to me, like, oh, I follow you on Instagram and 134 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: then it I don't know, it's just it's just like 135 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: a little bit weird because then I know that you 136 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: know that they're looking at my stuff right then and there, 137 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, it's just a little awkward. 138 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: But but yeah, certainly, like in this particular case, you 139 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: just you're really dumb if you do this, if you 140 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: work in the hospital, because when you try to get 141 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: a job at another hospital and think about this, this 142 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: is like people that go to school to be a 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: nurse or a technician or something. You go to school 144 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: for all these years, like you're never gonna hired again 145 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: if you had a hip a violation at another hospital. No, 146 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: especially really really from the pons. Yeah, and it's just 147 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like nosy. I don't I don't know, 148 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's just kind of weird. 149 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: I guess this is where it's good that my rule 150 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: followerness comes in, because like, I'm an extremely nosy person, 151 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: but like the rule follower kind of intersect set is like, well, 152 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: don't do anything stupid because you're a rule follower, right, 153 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: And I guess some people just really don't have that 154 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: monitor filter in their brain to be like this isn't 155 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: a good idea. 156 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm I actually would call myself not being a nosy person. 157 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: You're not, I'm not right, Like this is actually funny. 158 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: So when I was just dating Gabe, he he went 159 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: to visit with his he took off of work for 160 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: like in a three weeks or something and or maybe 161 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: even a month, and he went and like stayed with 162 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: his friends in San Francisco, right, And while he was gone, 163 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: I watched his house and like would like just because 164 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: he had a cat, and I would go feed the 165 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: cat and let the cat out or whatever, right, and 166 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: change the litter and stuff. And all of my friends 167 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: would just be like, why don't you, like are you 168 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: going through like all this stuff? And I'm just like no, 169 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: I like literally never did. I would never ever go 170 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: through somebody stuff like that. 171 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: No, there's tears, okay, because like I'm extremely nosy. Like 172 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: when somebody dies, I'm like just say, oh, they died, 173 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: Like I want to know or like, you know, there's 174 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: an ambulance or a firetruck on my street. 175 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, look out the window. 176 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a different added level of people that go 177 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 3: through stuff like I just I just know interested in 178 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: doing that. 179 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: I never would do it. I don't do it too. 180 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: I didn't do it to you growing up. I don't 181 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: go through the kid's stuff, like I don't go through 182 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Gabe stuff. I just don't. I don't do that. 183 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: Because people like that don't realize that, no matter what, 184 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: you're always gonna find something you don't like and it's 185 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: gonna cause riffs. 186 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: And that's exactly like maybe that's why I'm just afraid. 187 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: I had a. 188 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: Friend who went through her boyfriend's phone while he like 189 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: in the shower or something and saw like he was 190 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: having a totally innocent conversation with like a coworker, freaked 191 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: out on him and she's like, okay, well it was nothing. 192 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm. 193 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: Breaking up with you because you just went through my vote, 194 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: and I was like, dude, you kind of deserved it. 195 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I just I don't want 196 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: to do that. And or like looking up people's addresses 197 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: and seeing where they live. And how much they pay 198 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: for their house, Like I don't know. I just I 199 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: don't do it. Oh, I do that. I look up 200 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: people's edges. I know, I know this is this is 201 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: geared towards you. My mom does it too. 202 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: That that's different. That's public record. I mean, that's out there. 203 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: But it's weird, like why do you? I guess it's 204 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: more like, why do you care like this? I don't know. 205 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: I'm just interested in real estate value. 206 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: But I'm okay, I do do that, but I have 207 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: no interest. Like, for example, I have no interest in 208 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: going through Ricky's phone. I don't care what he's doing 209 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: on there, and I don't want to see all the 210 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: dumb videos. I think of the dumb shit he sends me, 211 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: and then thinking about all the dumb shit he sends 212 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: everybody else. 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: I have no interest in looking at all. I don't 214 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: understand people that want to do that. 215 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: All right, this is like the episode of Absolutely Terrible Mothers. 216 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: So first, we have a mom who was charged after 217 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: she allegedly was seen injecting feces into her sick baby's 218 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: IV line at the hospital. 219 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know how exactly it went down, 220 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: but I guess it seems like the nursing staff or 221 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: some of the staff saw her doing this, and then 222 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: afterwards they did not let her have access to the 223 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: child again without being monitored. 224 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems like at first, on February sixth, 225 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 2: they there's not really much information about this, but they 226 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: contacted police and said they believed the baby was being 227 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: abused by the biological mother, and then they determined that 228 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: she was not allowed to be in the room on 229 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: supervise anymore. And then two days later that's when somebody 230 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: allegedly saw her injecting something into the line. So then 231 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: when they reviewed CCTV, they saw her go into the 232 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: bathroom with a cup, come out with what appeared to 233 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: be fecal matter in the cup, stick a syr engine there, 234 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: drew it up, and then put that in the kid's 235 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: IV line. 236 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: Like this is my thing, And you guys, I don't obviously, 237 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: like I don't take care of I don't put ivs 238 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: in and take care of babies in this situation. But 239 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: a part of me just thinks that this is not possible, 240 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: because if you did put poop into an IV line, 241 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: that means that you are There's no such thing as 242 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: sterile poop. It's got a shit ton of bacteria in it. 243 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: And there's chunks inside of poop too, right, So not 244 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: only are you injecting bacteria directly into the baby's circulatory system, 245 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: but also chunks of food, right, vegetable material, meet material, whatever, 246 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: that would cause that if it traveled, it would cause 247 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: an emboliss like a traveling clot basically, but it would 248 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: be food that would get stuck inside of the circulatory 249 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: system and would kill the kid. So the embelists could 250 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: kill the kid, and the bacteria going around the bloodstream 251 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: would cause would lead to sepsis and kill the kid too. 252 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,239 Speaker 1: So I don't know if this kid was like perfectly 253 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: fine and all of a sudden got this terrible bacterial infection, 254 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: and then they started trying to investigate what happened, But like, 255 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: you couldn't just do that and there wouldn't be some 256 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: kind of severe outcome of doing something like that. 257 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and they did this close why the baby 258 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: was in the hospital in the first place. And then 259 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: I immediately was like, is this a situation of Munchausend's. 260 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: Was the baby totally fine and the mom had been 261 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 2: doing this? And then was continue making the baby sick. 262 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's possible. I just want to know, like 263 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: if she really did that, there had there had, I 264 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: mean I would be surprised if the baby was still alive. 265 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: It just would It just would be very unusual. So 266 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: if you guys know anything about that or. 267 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean, regardless, she shouldn't be injecting anything into the 268 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: IV line, right, So I think, no matter if it 269 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: was poop or what, like, what is she doing? 270 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: So she got no, she shouldn't be doing anything, and 271 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: she should be charged and she should be put in 272 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: prison for even if it was saline or anything, like, 273 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: why are you touching it? You have no idea what 274 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: you're doing, Like, don't touch that exactly. So she got 275 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: charged with endangering children, a third degree felony, which is 276 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: a third degree feliny. And then she got bond set 277 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in her preliminary 278 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: hearing schedule for tomorrow. So I'm happy to see they're 279 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: taking it seriously. I mean, they still set a bond, 280 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: but like to a regular person, that's unobtainable pay that 281 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: much money. Yeah, So she's still in jail, So I 282 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: don't know good all right. 283 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: In other terrible mother news, this woman showed up to 284 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: the er after giving birth and the hospital became extremely 285 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: suspicious when there was no baby with her. And it 286 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: turns out that she gave birth and a porta potty 287 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: and then left the infant to drown in the blue 288 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: chemical liquid in the holding tank. 289 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk about a weird autopsy that you don't 290 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: see every day. They opened the baby's lungs and trachea 291 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: and found the blue fluid from the porta potty inside 292 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: of the respiratory track, which means that this baby was 293 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: born alive and drowned in this fluid, like took breaths 294 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: and breathed in this blue toilet chemical and that was 295 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: the cause of death. So it and it looked like 296 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: she had actually cut the umbilical cords. So it wasn't 297 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: even like I don't know you hear about these stories, 298 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: like I didn't know I was pregnant. She gave birth 299 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: and like looked in the porta potty and there was 300 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: a baby in placenta and like freaked out and left 301 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: it there. Like she gave birth and cut the placenta 302 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: from the from the baby in the porta potty and 303 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: put the baby with this cut cord inside. 304 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, exactly what you're saying. Like she didn't 305 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: like accidentally give birth in the porta potty and was like, 306 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: oh shit, like there they think she intentionally gave birth 307 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: and put the baby in there after two drowns. 308 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like, what are you doing? She's a scumbag? 309 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't what do we say? Yeah? 310 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely disgusting. This episode is brought to you by the 311 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: Grosser Room. 312 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: So, guys, speaking of Catherine O'Hara, more information came out 313 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: about her cause of death and her death certificate was released, 314 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: so we talk a little bit about that. We because 315 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: we didn't know exactly which why she died, if you remember, 316 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: so we found out that she had a pulmonary embolism 317 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: due to rectal cancer. 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So a fetus was 339 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: found at a South Carolina water treatment plant, and in 340 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: this case, they said the male fetus was between thirteen 341 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: and fifteen weeks, showed no signs of trauma, and the 342 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: autopsy revealed that it was not a live birth with 343 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: extreme prematurity like what they found a fetus that was 344 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: that small, Like any normal person's gonna look at this 345 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, clearly this baby couldn't have lived. 346 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: It's the size of like it's it's so small thirteen 347 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: to fifteen weeks. It's like I can't even explain to 348 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: you what the size of it is. It's like the 349 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: size of what is what does it look on the april? Quick? 350 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: What does it say for thirteen to fifteen? 351 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: Hold on, I'll look the sciences. Could we speak about 352 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: this for a minute. The sizes are unbelievable, by the way, 353 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: like they're just totally all over them. 354 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm like, I'm mentally picturing it in my 355 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: hand trying to think about like it it has to 356 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: be like I would say, like an orange, not even 357 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: and that's they say, it's a lemon to an orange, 358 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: a lemon to an orange, okay, perfect, okay, perfect? So 359 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: and and like you have to remember, like a fetus 360 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: is in a circle, so it's like kind of a 361 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: crescent size shape of that fruit. It's very small. Did 362 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: any person in the world that saw that was like, 363 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: like my first thought would be like, oh, this person 364 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: had a miscarriage and the toilet and flushed it right, 365 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: Like why else would there be a fetus in the 366 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: water treatment plant? That's what I would think, how is 367 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: anybody looking at this? And then so so fine, So 368 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: then you give it to the medical examiner. The medical 369 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: examiner should have just been like eyeballing it, like you 370 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: don't even I'm not even going to examine this. This 371 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: is this is a miscarriage, Like it can't be anything else. 372 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess in theory they could have someone 373 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: could have done an illegal abortion on someone and that's 374 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: how it ended up there. 375 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: But like, come on, yeah, and they're like saying they're 376 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: gonna try to pull DNA from it to try to 377 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: look in case a parent. This is a lot of money. 378 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: It's the dumbest shit. So they get this macerated fetus 379 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: that's thirteen to fifteen weeks, which is like already dead 380 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: and it's been sitting in water, and they examine it 381 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: and say, the dumbest shit ever. So they're just like, oh, 382 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: it's a boy, and we're gonna so now you're gonna 383 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: waste more money on DNA to track down this awful 384 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: mother that had a miscarriage and flushed it. Like it's 385 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: such a waste of resources. It's just the dumbest shit. 386 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a complete and. 387 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: Any person looking at that would know that that was 388 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: definitely like a little tiny fetus and nowhere near like 389 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: it didn't take a breath, yeah, because it can't live 390 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: on its own outside of the wound. 391 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: Like it's just like the last story, rightfully, So the 392 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: mother is getting criminal charges because she like intentionally birthed 393 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: a live baby and then killed it. Right this is 394 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: like it's a completely different story. Yes, it's completely different, 395 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: and it's just not unheard of. Like I've talked to 396 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: so many mothers. 397 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: That I've had miscarriages, and they'll just say, like, I 398 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: freaked out, I panicked, I didn't know what to do. 399 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: I flushed a toilet. I shouldn't have done that. I 400 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: should have brought it to the hospital to get genetic 401 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: testing or whatever. Like when you're sitting there and you 402 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: have a toilet full of blood and a fetus that 403 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: you can even see sometimes and a tragedy, and a 404 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: tragedy like no, nobody's like like what are you supposed 405 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: to do with it? We've had this conversation like what 406 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: are you supposed to do with it? It? Because people 407 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: don't want to go to the hospital and get a 408 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: bill if they don't have great insurance. It's done and 409 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: over with, Like what are you supposed to do with it? 410 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: Throwing it in the trash? Then what the trash man 411 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: finds it? And then you're gonna get an under investigation 412 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: for that, Like what are you going to do? 413 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they already determined it was from a miscarriage, then, like. 414 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: What's the point. I mean, like, thirteen weeks is just 415 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: out of control. It's like three months, you're not even 416 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: showing it. That's just still so small, That's what I'm saying. 417 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: It's just so so small. I just don't understand, like 418 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: what could be the reason that it's here right now? Like, 419 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm just like I just can't believe it, 420 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: Like I just don't. I'm mind blown. I mean thinking 421 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: about the amount of money that this is causing taxpayers 422 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: for this death investigation and to add the DNA on it, 423 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: which is going to be expensive. Could you imagine getting 424 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: a call like, oh, you had a miscarriage three months ago, 425 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: we found this fetus and we did DNA and tracked 426 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: it back to you. Like what are they going to do? 427 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: How are they going to prove what the hell happened? 428 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: At this point, it just seems it's so dumb, all right. 429 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 2: A fifty eight year old man has been awarded twenty 430 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 2: five million dollars after developing popcorn lung from using PAM 431 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: cooking spray regularly. This is actually a really interesting case. 432 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: So this is popcorn lung is also called bronchiolitis oblitterans, 433 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 2: and that happened. It actually got its name from a 434 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: really crazy reason. So you know, butter has been known 435 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: to be so bad for you, right, So then they 436 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: decided to just like make this chemical that tastes like butter, 437 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: and they started doing it with microwave popcorn. And the 438 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: workers in the factory that were using this fake butter 439 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: called diacetyl were we're inhaling the fumes from it and 440 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: started showing up with this really crazy scarring in their lungs, 441 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: like permanent scarring that was causing lung transplants and stuff. 442 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: So we were talking about this with this condition called 443 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: a valley, which is the lung associated vape injury. It's 444 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: it's kind of the same exact thing that you're saying. 445 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: That's why sometimes they would call it popcorn lung because 446 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: it had the same findings on imaging that you saw 447 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: in these workers from the popcorn factory. 448 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: So this guy in this particular case was trying to 449 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: do like healthy living and he was grilling all these 450 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: vegetables and meats with this spray that had this diacetyl 451 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: in it. And he's saying that, so, so PAM hasn't 452 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: put that chemical in there for a while. 453 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was discontinued in two thousand and nine, but 454 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: he had been using it from the nineties till then. 455 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's saying like there was never a warning 456 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: on there that said that I shouldn't be breathing this 457 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: stuff in and I was using it to cook with 458 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: every meal. And I mean, I guess what's what my 459 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: question is is how how do you prove that does 460 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: he have like all these like seats that he was 461 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: using it all this time? And I don't know. 462 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna ask you, Like, how did 463 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: they even make the connection once he starts having problems 464 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: that that's where it came from. 465 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: Well, because it's a very specific finding it That's why. 466 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: That's why it's interesting, because it's not like a person 467 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: that just has a cold, like their lungs look like this, 468 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: like this is this It was an occupational hazard. This 469 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: was directly linked to people using or working in the 470 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: factory with the microwave popcorn with exposure to this chemical, 471 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: and then when they see it in the vape associated 472 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: injuries too, it's like, because that person's having chronic use 473 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: of that particular chemical that they think is causing that 474 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: finding in their lungs. With the vape it's a little 475 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: bit different because they think it's the vitamin et oil 476 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: that's mixing in the vape fluid, but it's giving that 477 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: similar look. It's a very specific look. It's not common. 478 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: It causes scarring, which leads to lung transplantation. So when 479 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: you're at that point of going to a pomonologist where 480 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: you're getting treatment and then all of a sudden you're 481 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: talking about needing transplants, they they're like, well, what caused this? 482 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: What exposure did you have? And so then he would 483 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: go back and be like, I mean, they would probably 484 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: say like, were you ever exposed to anything that you inhaled? 485 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: Did you ever work at a factory that used diacetyls? 486 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: Things like that? And then they would say, well, what 487 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: other products has chemicals like that? Oh, like this PAM 488 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: cooking spray, and then all of a sudden, the guy's like, yeah, 489 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean I use that every day for the past 490 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: fifteen years. But I guess, like I could see how 491 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: they could track it back fairly easily just because it's 492 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: such a specific pathologic process. I guess my question is 493 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: more like now, for example, like I could prove the 494 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: groceries that I've bought over the past couple of years 495 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: because I could get receipts easily from Amazon or Walmart 496 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: or Wagmans or something like that. But prior to that, like, 497 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: how do you have proof that you were actually using 498 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: this product for that many years when it was not 499 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: the internet time like that, I don't know. 500 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: I mean, clearly they had enough if he won this 501 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: massive settlement. 502 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's and honestly, like it is true 503 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: because I mean a part of you has to just 504 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: like use your brain a little and just be like, 505 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: if I'm using this stuff that's like made of chemicals, 506 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: it's probably not good, right, just like even if it 507 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: wasn't good to inhale, just like eating that shit every 508 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: day is not good. But honestly, like a lot of 509 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: people just don't think about that. And you know, using 510 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: an aerosol spray like that every day. I certainly wouldn't 511 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: think that it was going to the little droplets I 512 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: was inhaling and actually to the point where my lungs 513 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: were getting so scarred that I need a transplant now. 514 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: So and they've known for quite some time that that 515 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: was an issue because of the increase in the my 516 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: wave popcorn industry and all of the workers. So if 517 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: that product is used in anything that can be airborne, 518 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: then it should have had a label on it. 519 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, but can't you argue that about the use of 520 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: like aspertain and diet coke and all this other stuff 521 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: that's been linked to all these other problems too, But 522 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: they have a warning label. Does a diet coke have 523 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: a warning label on it? 524 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: I believe so? Like I know that pink uh, the 525 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: what was the one that had aspertain in it? The 526 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Sweet and Low was just like this has been known 527 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: to cause cancer and labrats it used to be on 528 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: the label. That is disgusting. 529 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: I don't know it really wants it And people that 530 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: drink diet coke are like addicted to it. 531 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I when I drink it, it's equivalent to 532 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: like if I have ever taken like a sip of 533 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: someone's scotch. It gives me that like, ugh, I'd rather 534 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: have a sip of hard liquor than one sip of 535 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: diet coke. It's so gross. 536 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: It is real coke all the way, extra delicious. But no, 537 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: thank you. Okay, guys, we have our show at City 538 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: Vineyard this Saturday. You don't want to miss out. We're 539 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: going to have the best time ever. You could have 540 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: a lovely meal and watch the funniest show you'll ever 541 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: see in your life. We'll talk about we have good 542 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: We have some good stories too. I have some good stories. 543 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: You could buy some mertz there, you get your books signed, 544 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: do anything. So if we're gonna have a really great time. 545 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: I'll have a couple of books too actually to sell. 546 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna have books and then you could 547 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: sign them at the end, and we're gonna take our 548 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: picture with all our grocery members too, So of course, 549 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: if you are a grocery member, you will be able 550 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: to take a picture with us at the very end 551 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: of the show. So you could find those tickets in 552 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 2: the description of this episode or in the grocer room 553 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: or on our social media. 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