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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants hut.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Giants, get the Giants Bullet give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another tion of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. It's another

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Speaker 1: Baldy's Breakdown edition of the Giants Little Podcast, and that

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Speaker 1: means we're joined by Brian Baldinger. You can find them,

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Speaker 1: of course on Twitter and on NFL Network breaking down

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Speaker 1: everything National Football League. Baldy, what's going on, Man, Good

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Speaker 1: to talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good to see you, John. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: we got Week eight in the books. It was uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean it was a competitive game last night.

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Speaker 2: They came up short last night, but I mean they

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Speaker 2: did a lot of good things in that game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the rookie running backs, the real deal, you know, Tyrone

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Speaker 2: Tracy is the real deal here, John, I mean, might

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Speaker 2: as well just start with, you know, the obvious and

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Speaker 2: what really looked good last night?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So why don't we start there. The Steelers head

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Speaker 1: into this game, Baldy as maybe a top three rush

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Speaker 1: defense in the league, depending on what metric you want

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Speaker 1: to look at yeah, and I want to give the

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Speaker 1: interior offensive line credit too. I thought they create a

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Speaker 1: lot of space and they moved off the ball, something

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Speaker 1: they couldn't do the last two weeks against Philly in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: And then Tyler Tracy took advantage of the room that

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Speaker 1: he had.

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Speaker 2: He did he had. You know, the Steelers going into

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Speaker 2: the game, they were giving up three point six yards

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Speaker 2: to carry. I mean, like you said, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Tyrone leaves the game averaging seven point three. The biggest

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Speaker 2: run they had given up all year was twenty one yards.

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Speaker 2: He had two of them over twenty one yards, and

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Speaker 2: he was a tough guy to tackle. But the breakaway

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Speaker 2: run to get him back in the game for forty

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Speaker 2: five yards, I mean, it's the longest play by the

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Speaker 2: Giants all year, offensive play all year. And you see

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Speaker 2: like he hit that thing and then look, I call

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Speaker 2: him an angle assassin because Mica Fitzpator doesn't miss those tackles.

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Speaker 2: He took a bad angle, like he completely misjudged the

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Speaker 2: kid's feed. He should have at least gotten a out

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Speaker 2: of bounds and he beat him to the pieline. Like

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Speaker 2: you see the speed and for Mika as good as

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Speaker 2: he is as much as he's been around, like he's

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Speaker 2: their free safety for a reason. He saves touchdowns and

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Speaker 2: for him to beat him like that and he get

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Speaker 2: the Giants back in game. That was saying something yeah.

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Speaker 1: And look, Tracy continues to just play well, unfortunately to

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Speaker 1: lead the game late with that concussion. His head hit

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Speaker 1: is he went down, he hit his back ahead on

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Speaker 1: the turf, and boy, you're gonna need him next week

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Speaker 1: against Washington. So hopefully he can figure things out running back.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably gonna be tough, you know how

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Speaker 1: it works with the protocol, especially a short week coming

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Speaker 1: off of a Monday. But he just adds such an

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Speaker 1: explosive element to this offense that I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: they're missing because they have guys like Slaton Neighbors who

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Speaker 1: can make those plays too, But to have a guy

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Speaker 1: in the run game that can make those explosive plays,

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Speaker 1: it really does make a difference.

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Speaker 2: It makes a difference. And like you said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought running and John Michael, I mean, I think,

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Speaker 2: you know Van Roten, I thought they all played well inside.

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Speaker 2: They got a hat on a hat, they got movement.

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Speaker 2: At the point I thought Hubard played pretty well considering

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Speaker 2: you know, like he's kind of a journeyman whatever. But

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Speaker 2: I mean I thought he played pretty well in there.

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Speaker 2: A couple of past you know, I thought he was

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Speaker 2: but otherwise, but I thought he did a good job

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Speaker 2: he hits it. And then the other thing is like

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Speaker 2: he's powerful, like he's if you don't get him and

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Speaker 2: wrap up his legs like you still that seventeen yard

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Speaker 2: they had H'm like bunched up at the eight. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he broke four or five tackles on that play

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Speaker 1: by good physical tacklers too. You know, he's the Steelers. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you're running against the you know.

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Speaker 2: Patrick and Patrick Queen. I mean, that's the heart of

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Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned the offensive line. I thought they did

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Speaker 1: mentioned it in pass protection, and look, it's tough. The

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Speaker 1: who was a somewhat surprise starter at that spot. Josh

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Speaker 1: a jud just started last week. They decided to go

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Speaker 1: to the veteran this week, and you want to help him.

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Speaker 1: And you saw why Alex Heidthimas had him inside spin moves.

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Speaker 1: He took advantage of him a couple of plays. But

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Speaker 1: then you gotta leave Jermaine lumin Or, who again has

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Speaker 1: been solid this year. But you don't want to ever

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Speaker 1: single up TJ. Watt because he's TJ Watt. So that

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Speaker 1: talk about what kind of pickles coordinator and trying to

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Speaker 2: Well, your spread thing, you know, you want the explosive plays,

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Speaker 2: and they got some last night. I mean Slayton on

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Speaker 2: the third play the game, I mean, you know, and

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Speaker 2: he had time to get to a second read on

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Speaker 2: that throw. I mean they had some explosive I mean

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Speaker 2: they missed neighbors on a couple of deep shots, but

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Speaker 2: in one he had his hands on the ball. I

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Speaker 2: mean normally he comes up with those acrobatic catches, but

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Speaker 2: I you know, they got some deep considering that pass

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Speaker 2: rusher describing they still got some deep shots out there.

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Speaker 2: I thought the tight ends did a decent job of

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Speaker 2: chipping on the way out, so I thought they had

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Speaker 2: a plan. Look, I've seen teams do a great job

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Speaker 2: on TJ Watt for fifty eight out of sixty plays

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Speaker 2: and the two plays he can ruin you, and that's

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Speaker 2: what he did last night. He had two plays where

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Speaker 2: he kind of really ruined their chances at the end

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Speaker 2: of the game right there, he got a chance to

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Speaker 2: go tie it up. And you know he's he's gifted

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Speaker 2: like that. I mean, he lives for those moments. And

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Speaker 2: you know, there's only a couple guys in this league

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Speaker 2: that can really take a game over, and he has

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Speaker 2: that ability. You know, Straighthand did that for a long time,

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Speaker 2: and they had guy's you know, the Giants know how

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Speaker 2: to do it, LT how to do it, but only

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Speaker 2: a couple guys in this league understand the gravity of

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Speaker 2: the game, the situation of the game, and when they

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Speaker 2: have to be at their very best. And I thought

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Speaker 2: TJ did that last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a closer. There's no question about his big

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Speaker 1: a knack for getting his hand in there knocking the

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Speaker 2: No, no, there's no question. I mean, I mean I

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Speaker 2: thought Daniels hold the ball too low, be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: a little too casual, knowing that TJ is there somewhere

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Speaker 2: and so like a little bit on the quarterback. But

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Speaker 2: I mean he did it twice against the Raiders down

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Speaker 2: the goal line and just knocked the ball out. Whether

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Speaker 2: he's punching it out or tapping it with his hands.

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Speaker 2: He's got long arms. He can really dip underneath people.

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Speaker 2: He showed me his past brush moves one day and

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Speaker 2: I was like, good lord, if you're the tackle like

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Speaker 2: you know, you got your hands full.

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Speaker 1: And here's baldy. What I think is so forrscinating about

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Speaker 1: this game after two consecutive weeks with the Giants, in

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Speaker 1: one game the longest flow is fifteen yards and the

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Speaker 1: other game, the longest plow is fourteen yards. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: had five plays in this game of twenty five yards

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Speaker 1: or more. Now, when you have five plays of twenty

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Speaker 1: those two touchdowns. You have the one touchdown. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: you have to four field goals in one touchdown when

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Speaker 1: you have four plays of thirty five three plays of

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Speaker 2: Well. I mean, look, you know, man, they've run a

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Speaker 2: great play for Man Hurts, he scores a touchdown, gets

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Speaker 2: called back. I mean it's just a look, it's careless.

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Speaker 2: It's just careless on Malik's part. You know, like he's

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Speaker 2: got to be set and he's a little cavalier coming

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Speaker 2: you get away with that sometimes. You know, they got

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Speaker 2: just a detail, you know, and it's I'm sure sure

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Speaker 2: you know, Brian is is all over that, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I mean that's a great play, you know, to

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Speaker 2: it was great play action. Nobody expects Man Hurts to

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Speaker 2: get that ball. You know, it beats the safety to

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Speaker 2: the to the pylon. It's a touchdown. They take the

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Speaker 2: lead right there, gets called back and so you know

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Speaker 2: you end up settling for a field goal. You know,

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Speaker 2: they they moved the ball and you got those chunk plays,

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Speaker 2: but then you know you had, you know, delay of

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Speaker 2: game two delay of game penalties, Like I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't know why the plays either it's not getting out

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Speaker 2: or it's taking so much time, but those plays they

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Speaker 1: Did did two delay of games. They had two illegal shifts.

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Speaker 1: They had another illegal man downfield, something that they've had

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Speaker 1: way too many of this year, baldy. They had let's see,

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Speaker 1: what else did you happen to you? Two holding penalties

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Speaker 2: To them right to on one the left guard. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: those things back yep.

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Speaker 1: Just procedural stuff, and constantly they put themselves into these

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Speaker 1: two yar mode would have been third and four. They

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Speaker 1: get called for an a legal shift and then they

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Speaker 1: get called, I believe, for a full star in the

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Speaker 1: next play. Then you're in second and sixteen and TJ

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Speaker 1: walk ats a sack. Yet no crap, you're in second

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Speaker 1: and sixteen. That's what's gonna happen, and that's what those

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Speaker 1: those little mistakes and those little breaches of focus that

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Speaker 2: Well, you think about you know, the explosive plays you

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Speaker 2: talk about one, they had a great two minute drill going,

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Speaker 2: They're in a scoring position, and then those penalties showed up,

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Speaker 2: and you know they end up getting you know, taken

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Speaker 2: out of field goal range eight. They could have been

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Speaker 2: at least in field goal range there John, where you

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Speaker 2: go in, maybe up twelve to nine at half. Same

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Speaker 2: thing happens to start the third quarter. They get a

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Speaker 2: good drive going and they go backwards and so, yes,

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Speaker 2: they needed more touchdowns last night in that game. That's

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Speaker 2: why they went forward on fourth and two early in

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Speaker 2: the game. They called a good play for elite neighbors.

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Speaker 2: They executed it perfectly. H You know, they got that done.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you have to you have to kind

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Speaker 2: of take those chance especially. Look, I mean, I understand

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Speaker 1: The thing on the defensive side of the ball that

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Speaker 2: Moving up front of me. Look, that's a rookie fourth

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Speaker 2: one of the best, if not the best pass blockers

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Speaker 2: in the league at running back. And honestly, Dexter just

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Speaker 2: like he swatted him like he was, you know, just

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Speaker 2: a chicken wing and knocked him right out of the

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Speaker 2: way like he was invisible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Just and he's so much fun to watch. Johnson.

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Speaker 1: slash Giants. All right, Baldy, anything else in this game

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Speaker 1: before we look ahead real quick to the Commanders.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, look, I mean they you know, they've

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Speaker 2: got to finish. They got to find a way to

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Speaker 2: finish drives, john They just you know, I mean, they

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Speaker 2: had opportunities, obviously the one touchdown of Manhers. But you know,

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Speaker 2: field goals. Any team that is just surrendering field goals,

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Speaker 2: no matter how many chuck plays you give up, they

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Speaker 2: always feel like day won. They only gave up three,

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Speaker 2: you know, And so even when it's you know, nine

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Speaker 2: to nine, Like the defense feels like either way, both

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Speaker 2: defenses feel like they're winning, like they're not giving up touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: and so, uh, that's that's just you know, that's that's

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Speaker 2: where they're at right now. And maybe the tight ends

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Speaker 2: got to get more involved, you know know in you know,

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Speaker 2: down down there, closer to the goal line. But it

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Speaker 2: would be it'd be good if they could just clean

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Speaker 2: things up so that the big plays turn into touchdowns

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Speaker 2: rather than backing themselves up. When he got a chance

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Speaker 2: to score.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned the tight end. That was a heck of a

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Speaker 1: seam throw from Jones to Johnson on that final drive

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Speaker 1: down the field.

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Speaker 2: He showed great at flight. I mean that was that

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Speaker 2: throw to theo that I mean, that's a shot not

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Speaker 2: every quarterback wants to make. But they didn't have a

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Speaker 2: choice at that point for fram me come up with

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Speaker 2: that ball. Maybe that's kind of an eye opener, like

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Speaker 2: this guy should be used more than what they're using

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: And you say finished drives and I'll just throw off

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Speaker 1: finished games, bald. Look, this is like the bizarre version

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two team where they're all these

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Speaker 1: close games and they figured out how to way to

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Speaker 1: win all the close games this year. They've had opportunity

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Speaker 1: then of the Commander's game, end of the Dallas game,

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Speaker 1: and of the Bengals game. Now the end of this game,

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Speaker 1: where if you make a couple of plays here or there,

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Speaker 1: the result could be different. And they just have not

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Speaker 1: been on to make the big play in the big spot,

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Speaker 1: whether it's offense of your defensively. At the end of

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Speaker 1: these four closes.

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Speaker 2: Lost, Cincinnati has got ten points on the board deep

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Speaker 2: into the fourth quarter. They need one play to win

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Speaker 2: the game. And you know, and you know last week

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia made those plays against Cincinnati they won. The Giants

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Speaker 2: could have made one of those plays, you know, the defense,

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Speaker 2: I mean, all they did was give up that Borough run.

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Speaker 2: That was it. Otherwise they kept everything in check and

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Speaker 2: they needed one play to win that game. They couldn't

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Speaker 2: make it.

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Speaker 3: You love turf, You're good at it. So you start

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Speaker 3: a turf fiz. Business grows, your savings grow, become the

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for.

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Speaker 3: All that life brings?

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Speaker 1: No question? All right, the Commander's coming up this Sunday.

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Speaker 1: They have a miraculous win, you know against the uh

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Speaker 1: what they played last week?

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Speaker 2: Theirs?

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Speaker 1: Thank you last week Caleb Williamsworth, Jayden Daniels. Obviously we

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Speaker 1: know about the Tyreek Stevenson thing, which I still cannot

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Speaker 1: believe what I saw when I watched that video. But

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Speaker 1: this feels like one of those years where everything's going

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Speaker 1: right for the which hasn't happened much of the command

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Speaker 1: that's over the past couple of decades. But boy, Jadon

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Speaker 1: Danias was playing well, he's running it well. He actually

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Speaker 1: slid a little bit last week with that with that

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Speaker 1: rib injury. Good for him trying to protect himself. And

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Speaker 1: I have you know, I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I did not love the hire of Cli Kingsbury. I

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Speaker 1: thought he struggled a little bit at the end of

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Speaker 1: his head coaching tenure in Arizona. He has done a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal job, I think getting scheming up that offense Baldy

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Speaker 1: and creating some easy opportunities to let Jade and Daniels

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Speaker 1: get in some rhythm. And then Jadon Daniels has made

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Speaker 1: some really big plays himself above the ex's and ohs.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing I did that game. I announced

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Speaker 2: that game for national radio last week, so I was there.

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Speaker 2: It was some atmosphere in Washington. I didn't seen it

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Speaker 2: like that in a long time, John, But you know,

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Speaker 2: they are the hidden thing about Cliff and I've known

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Speaker 2: him for a long long time, who's at Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: I did a lot of his games, Like he wants

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Speaker 2: to spread you out. You talked about air raid offense

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Speaker 2: and all that's just words. They would have spread you

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Speaker 2: out to run it. And they run in a lot

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Speaker 2: of different ways. They used three back and actually use

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Speaker 2: all four backs. You know they're gonna use Actor, They're

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Speaker 2: gonna use Brian Robinson. He's their power back. He's what

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Speaker 2: we saw last night. You know, he's their Naji Harris.

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Speaker 2: He's very powerful, you know. And then you got to

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Speaker 2: count for you know this McNichols and then Jaden himself.

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Speaker 2: And the thing about Jaden is he's much more sudden

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Speaker 2: than what Russell is. Like his fast twitch, like he's

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Speaker 2: I talked to him before the game. There's not a

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Speaker 2: lot there. He's got a very thin frame, but he

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Speaker 2: is very fast twitch, and he's very accurate with the

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Speaker 2: ball and he knows where to go with it. He

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Speaker 2: threw a deep bolt to uh Terry McLaurin last week

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Speaker 2: for sixty one yards. He can't throw it any better.

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Speaker 2: Chicago played great run red zone defense to keep him

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Speaker 2: in the game. They didn't need the Hail Mary to

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Speaker 2: win it. But I would say, you have got to

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Speaker 2: make their secondary page John. Like the pass rush is okay,

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Speaker 2: it's not great. They blitzed their linebackers a lot, so

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Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner and Frank Louvu. They blitz him a lot

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Speaker 2: to get pressure. But you got to make their secondary

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Speaker 2: man up because I think that's still the weakness of

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Speaker 2: this whole team. And so I think offensively they're very talented,

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Speaker 2: and the way that they move the ball, the way

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Speaker 2: that they they don't beat themselves. The quarterback has two

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Speaker 2: interceptions all year, Like he doesn't he doesn't put the

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Speaker 2: ball in harm's way, and he extends drives with his

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Speaker 2: runs on especially third down. Seat knows where the sticks are.

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Speaker 2: But I would say you've got to offensively, You've got

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Speaker 2: to make Benjamin Saint just in some of these corners

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Speaker 2: and safeties. You got to make him play the ball

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Speaker 2: because they I have questions about the back end of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think and then this will be my

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Speaker 1: last one for you, Baldie. I think you got to

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Speaker 1: try to force them into playing and man the man.

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Speaker 1: And you know, dan Quinn played a ton of man

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Speaker 1: in Cover three in Dallas. That's what he did. And

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Speaker 1: to his credit, I think he's leaned into a lot

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Speaker 1: more cover too here in Washington to try to take

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Speaker 1: pressure off of those corners. But when you do get

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Speaker 1: those guys in one on ones, you got to make

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Speaker 1: those big plays and make them play.

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Speaker 2: You got to you got to hit like Slayton. You've

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Speaker 2: got to make leak, you know, get over the top

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Speaker 2: on these guys like you got it. Like they gave

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Speaker 2: up nine touchdown passes the first three weeks of the

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Speaker 2: season and it was a real issue. Giants obviously hit,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's against them. And then they've they've really

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Speaker 2: calmed down. They've been playing with the lead, they've been

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Speaker 2: blitzing a lot more, and it looks like they've only

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Speaker 2: given up five touchdown passes last five games. But you

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Speaker 2: look at them early on this year, like, I think

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Speaker 2: there's still the same guys playing on the back end

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Speaker 2: of this defense.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Baldy. Always good to talk to you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: It's been a couple of weeks. Hopefully we'll talk again soon,

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Speaker 1: I hope. So thanks you as the Baldy Breakdown edition

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Speaker 1: of the Giants Little Podcast, brought you by Citizens, Official

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Speaker 1: Bank of the Giants. We'll see you next time. Everybody,