WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Crushin' It

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast the and I'll be crushing it. Addition, as we

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<v Speaker 2>take an in depth look at the three players selected

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<v Speaker 2>by the Bengals on day two of the draft, Chris Jenkins,

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine Burton and McKinley Jackson. Coming up, you'll hear from

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<v Speaker 2>that trio as well as Bengals coaches. Then I'll discuss

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<v Speaker 2>the picks with my broadcast partner Dave Lappom and look

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<v Speaker 2>ahead to day three. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought

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<v Speaker 2>cho Banni Flip. Well, on Friday night, before Day two

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<v Speaker 2>of the draft got underway, several members of the local

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<v Speaker 2>media took advantage of the Key Lime Crumble flavor that

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<v Speaker 2>draft expert, it's a can't miss snack with tremendous upside.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're putting together, you're snacking big. The Key

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<v Speaker 2>Lime crumpled Chobanni Flip is a surefire first round draft pick. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get to Day two of the draft. After addressing

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<v Speaker 2>offensive tackle in the first round with a selection of

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<v Speaker 2>Amarus Mims, the Bengals chose a defensive tackle in round

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<v Speaker 2>two in Michigan's Chris Jenkins. He's not a DJ Reeder

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<v Speaker 2>noseguard type who will clog the middle. He's a penetrator

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<v Speaker 2>who served as a team captain for the national champion

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<v Speaker 2>wolfver Reines. It's no secret that the Bengals need to

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<v Speaker 2>beef up their depth in the middle of the d line.

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<v Speaker 2>In Cincinnati got Dane Brugler's third rated defensive tackle with

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<v Speaker 2>a forty ninth overall pick. Here's Zach Taylor.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a priory position, but again, we weren't just

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<v Speaker 3>gonna take anybody, and we were very fortunate the way

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<v Speaker 3>it fell. We had high marks on Chris and so

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<v Speaker 3>thank goodness he was there. But he was a priory

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<v Speaker 3>position for us, but at the same time, we weren't

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna take anybody, and he was one that we

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<v Speaker 3>specifically targeted, and so we were we were happy he

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<v Speaker 3>was at forty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Jenkins lacks ideal size, He's six to two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine pounds, but he's an excellent athlete who earned

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<v Speaker 2>the nickname the Mutant from his strength coach at Michigan.

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<v Speaker 4>Our same coach, Coach Hurd, gave it to me because

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<v Speaker 4>I just went above and beyond in the weight room

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<v Speaker 4>and I did some things that you know, people looking

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<v Speaker 4>at me wouldn't expect me to do, and he said,

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<v Speaker 4>my mentality, you know, how I carry myself, how I

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<v Speaker 4>pushed through adversity, injury, anything, is a mutant mentality. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's where he gave the name to me my sophomore

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<v Speaker 4>year and it stuck ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mutant is the son of a four time Pro Bowler.

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<v Speaker 2>His dad, Chris Senior, spent ten years in the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>with the Panthers in Jets. In the next round, the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals picks were announced by former Pro Bowl receiver TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Hushman Zada, and it seemed like fate when TJ announced

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals first third round pick.

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<v Speaker 5>So this pick means this pick means something to me

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<v Speaker 5>as I've been training this kid for a long time

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<v Speaker 5>and now he's gonna be drafted by the Bingles. So

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<v Speaker 5>with the eightieth pig in a twenty twenty four NFL draft,

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<v Speaker 5>the Cincinnati Bingals select Jermaine Burdon wide receiver Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>Burton spent his first two college seasons at Georgia before

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<v Speaker 2>finishing with two years at Alabama. He's six feet tall,

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<v Speaker 2>a solid one hundred ninety six pounds, and ran a

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<v Speaker 2>four four five forty at the combine in his college career,

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<v Speaker 2>he averaged eighteen yards to catch. Here's offensive coordinator Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Pitcher on how Burton will fit with Jamar Chase and

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<v Speaker 2>t Higgins.

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<v Speaker 6>He'll fig great. I mean, he's explosive, and so that's

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<v Speaker 6>really our job now as to how do we mix

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<v Speaker 6>and match those skill sets. But what he brings to

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<v Speaker 6>the table with regard to the threat he's gonna post

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<v Speaker 6>to the defense, how they're gonna have to respect all

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<v Speaker 6>three of those players in the explosiveness they bring. We'll

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<v Speaker 6>figure that part out, but he'll take care of the

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<v Speaker 6>hard part, which is separating from defense and catching the football.

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<v Speaker 2>As for that Hushman's out of connection. Burton says that

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy that DJ announced his pick and that he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to his former team.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, it's honestly amazing, you know, having TJ train me,

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<v Speaker 7>you know throughout these past few years of you know,

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<v Speaker 7>even going into college. You know, working with him is

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<v Speaker 7>you know, is honestly great. It's just just to know

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<v Speaker 7>his history and his background with the game of football,

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<v Speaker 7>that his knowledge on it, and you know, to see

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<v Speaker 7>the way he thinks and you know the way he

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<v Speaker 7>put puts it into the drills and you know, the

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<v Speaker 7>way he talks to you and his terminology. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>it's just it's a It really helps me. And you

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<v Speaker 7>know we also developed a relationship, you know, to the point,

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<v Speaker 7>you know we talk about other things and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>just life things and you know, just a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>maturity growth.

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<v Speaker 2>With their second pick in the third round, number ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven overall, the Bengals doubled down on defensive tackle and

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<v Speaker 2>chose McKinley Jackson out of Texas A and M who

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<v Speaker 2>addresses the void left by the departure of DJ Reader.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a guy we've talked a lot about, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>He he fits a good spot for us. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and thirty pound nose guard. There's not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of those in the draft. He's a guy that

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<v Speaker 3>we had rated highly and he was sitting right there

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<v Speaker 3>for us in the third rounds was the right spot

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<v Speaker 3>to take him. I don't think you ever go wrong

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<v Speaker 3>adding to your defensive line. You know, as a head coach,

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<v Speaker 3>as an offensive play caller that faces faces these guys

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<v Speaker 3>every every week and you have to prepare for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Depth at defensive tackle defensive end is critical and if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have it, if all of a sudden, you

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<v Speaker 3>come up short, it doesn't matter what's going on behind it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So I think that's the number one thing

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<v Speaker 3>to take the pressure off the back seven is to

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<v Speaker 3>continue to add to your defensive line. And we had

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to do that today and makes me sleep

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<v Speaker 3>a lot better at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson was a two time captain at A and M

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<v Speaker 2>and says he'll be a fit on the Bengals defense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I played football. I no matter what the

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<v Speaker 1>system it is. You know our cent I get the

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<v Speaker 1>better word. I want to get to play book and

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<v Speaker 1>you know brings the championship.

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<v Speaker 2>for analysis of Day two and I'll look ahead to

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<v Speaker 2>the final four rounds of the draft with my broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>partner Dave Lapham. All Right, lap Let's start with the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals second round draft pick defensive tackle Chris Jenkins out

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<v Speaker 2>of Michigan, a captain on a national championship team, the

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<v Speaker 2>son of a four time pro bowler, and obviously somebody

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals are going to be counting on this year

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<v Speaker 2>to be an important part of their defensive tackle rotation,

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<v Speaker 2>no question.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, this kid is six two and a half,

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<v Speaker 8>about three hundred pounds, runs five forty He's got good

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<v Speaker 8>arm length to thirty four inches, wingspans almost eighty inches.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's and the thing, the.

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<v Speaker 8>Thing that's been impressive to me, and with the liberalization

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<v Speaker 8>of the rules and earthing and athletics, starts with the

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<v Speaker 8>feed ends.

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<v Speaker 1>With your hands. All of these guys.

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<v Speaker 8>The the the Bengals are drafted in the interior of

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<v Speaker 8>the defensive line, of the offensive line.

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<v Speaker 1>Big strong, massive hands, and that that hand strength is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, if he gets you in the position, now

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<v Speaker 8>you're allowed to get your hands within the framework of

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<v Speaker 8>the body clamp on them. Those big strong muckers that

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<v Speaker 8>these guys have and control people. And uh, he he

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<v Speaker 8>really does does a nice job with his with his hands.

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<v Speaker 8>There's no question he's got excellent functional football strength. In

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<v Speaker 8>my estimation, powerful athletic. You know, he's more of a

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<v Speaker 8>three technique. He slided out to a five technique occasionally. Uh,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, very physical at the point of attack. He

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<v Speaker 8>keeps his pad level down. He's uh, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 8>a he's a damn good football player. He's got lateral

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<v Speaker 8>movement skills that that are solid.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's not knocked off his feet.

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<v Speaker 8>He can stack and ship people pretty darn well good

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<v Speaker 8>pursued angles to the football. Uh, he's a he's an

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<v Speaker 8>excellent football player.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>He, like you say, grew up.

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<v Speaker 8>Around the game with his dad playing at the at

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<v Speaker 8>the at the high level that that his dad played at.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, he's he's definitely.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh, he's he's got you know, quickness, can get around

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<v Speaker 8>the blockers need be so he can change that up.

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<v Speaker 1>He can bull rush you.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, he's got a mirriad of ways to pressure

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<v Speaker 8>the quarterback too. He is more of a three technique

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<v Speaker 8>kind of guy, though he's not the nose tackle kind

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<v Speaker 8>of guy. And the Bengals did address that, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>later on in the in the draft, but he was

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<v Speaker 8>on the board at that spot. He was obviously the

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<v Speaker 8>best guy on their board, and they stayed true to

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<v Speaker 8>their board, and they go and they get you know,

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<v Speaker 8>a guy that is very, very consistent in his effort.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt about that. He's a solid NFL prospect.

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<v Speaker 8>But I do think he plays the run better than

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<v Speaker 8>the past at this point in time. But that's what's

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<v Speaker 8>asked of him at Michigan, you know, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically the way they have their defensive lineman play in

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<v Speaker 1>their front seven play.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think he can be you know, developed, I

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<v Speaker 8>think pretty quickly and effectively. Is a little bit better

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<v Speaker 8>pass rusher than he show up to college.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not a gigantic man like Amarius Mims that we

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<v Speaker 2>met earlier today. Chris Jenkins is about six three, weighed

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<v Speaker 2>in at two hundred and ninety nine pounds, But the

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<v Speaker 2>old Michigan strength coach who followed Jim Harbaugh out to

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<v Speaker 2>the Chargers nicknamed him the Mutant when he was a

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<v Speaker 2>sophomore in college for his performances in the weight room

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<v Speaker 2>and his attitude, you know, when times were tough. So

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you don't have to be three hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>pounds to impose your will on the defensive line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, And he's you know you can probably you didn't

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<v Speaker 8>get a little bit bigger as he matures, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean he's uh, he's got that like Randy White

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<v Speaker 8>was the manster part man park monster. That's what I

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<v Speaker 8>think Jenkins aspires.

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<v Speaker 1>To be, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>And and honestly, the Bengals the way they are, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>addressing things with the offensive line is the land of

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<v Speaker 8>the Giants, and they're trying to compete with that title

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<v Speaker 8>with with what they're trying to do on the interior.

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<v Speaker 8>And uh, it's Are all these guys gonna be starters?

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<v Speaker 1>No, not necessarily. Will they be in a rotation?

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<v Speaker 8>Hell yeah, I'll be in a rotation in some way,

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<v Speaker 8>shape or form. Eight guys all made all eight Brookies

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<v Speaker 8>last year. They all made the football team. They all

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<v Speaker 8>had a role initially expanded upon those roles. And the

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<v Speaker 8>three guys that they have drafted in uh in the

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<v Speaker 8>first two rounds, uh in this in this draft, in

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<v Speaker 8>the national and first.

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<v Speaker 1>Three rounds, I should say that for the first four.

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<v Speaker 8>Guys they drafted, I think we'll all make the football

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<v Speaker 8>team and have a significant role. So that's their last

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<v Speaker 8>eleven draft picks. You know, it's they've they've done a

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<v Speaker 8>damn good job. And honestly, the way the National Football

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<v Speaker 8>League is today, when you're paying your quarterback pick dollars

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<v Speaker 8>and you're gonna pay multiple receivers potentially big dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to put the bat on the ball.

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<v Speaker 8>You have to have rookies that can contribute, because you

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<v Speaker 8>know they're under rookie contracts, and that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The way you can control that that salary cap. So

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<v Speaker 1>the draft becomes more and more important. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very easy.

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<v Speaker 8>To have a great draft like they did in twenty

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<v Speaker 8>twenty when they had the first pick in every round.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 8>And honestly, I think the closer you get to the

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<v Speaker 8>end of the round, like when they went to the

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<v Speaker 8>Super Bowl, I think that is a good spot to

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<v Speaker 8>be too, because you can always pick up the guys

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<v Speaker 8>that slid. Oh man, this guy's still here. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 8>we didn't expect he'd be here before he slides.

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<v Speaker 1>The second round. Let's clean this up. You do that

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<v Speaker 1>every round.

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<v Speaker 8>I think you can set yourself off for a decent draft.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, Kansas City's made a living on it. But

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<v Speaker 8>if you're in the middle of the round, now it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 8>do we contribute to the slide of this player or

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<v Speaker 8>should we end the slide or do we have somebody

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<v Speaker 8>you know a little bit better on our draft board.

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<v Speaker 1>It does. It's so not a need. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go there. I mean, I think the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the round can be.

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<v Speaker 8>Almost one of the more difficult spots to pick, and

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<v Speaker 8>I think they're doing a hell of a job of

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<v Speaker 8>kicking quality flares.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's jump to the third round and actually go to

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<v Speaker 2>their second third round pick, since they doubled down at

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<v Speaker 2>the defensive tackle position and selected McKinley Jackson number ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven overall. According to Dame Brugler of The Athletic, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a sixth or seventh round grade, so maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals took him a little bit higher than some of

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<v Speaker 2>the experts expected. But this is more of a DJ

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<v Speaker 2>Reader type replacement. This is a large man three d

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty five pounds, two time captain at Texas A

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<v Speaker 2>and m Lunarumo told reporters after the selection that he

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<v Speaker 2>is close to the ball nose tackle shade type guy.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean he is. He's a zero technique of

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<v Speaker 8>one technique compilation of of the mock drafts.

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<v Speaker 1>That I saw.

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<v Speaker 8>I had him as the third rounder. You know it

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<v Speaker 8>was I don't know. I mean, everybody has has has

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<v Speaker 8>differences of opinion. That's what makes the draft so beautiful

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<v Speaker 8>because it's totally non scientific. But the Bengals obviously had

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<v Speaker 8>him rated decently on their board into the third round

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<v Speaker 8>because I thought, wow, it might go exactly as I

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<v Speaker 8>had hoped. You know, you start out with an offensive

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<v Speaker 8>tackle and then you a receiver is pick, a defensive

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<v Speaker 8>tackles picked, and a receiver's pick. Then they doubled down

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<v Speaker 8>on defensive tackle because more cornerbacks were off the board.

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<v Speaker 1>They had defensive tackle.

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<v Speaker 8>In this In this case, I mean, Kenley Jackson rated

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<v Speaker 8>higher than the remaining quarterback and our cornerbacks on their

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<v Speaker 8>big board, and uh, you know it's like he's a

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<v Speaker 8>he's basically a zero technique in the yard front. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>he's the he's the nose tackle they're looking for. And

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<v Speaker 8>for a guy you know that's gonna play that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's six one and a half. You know, he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>got decent, decent height, He's got long arms. Though, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a he's a burly dude. Man, he's put together.

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<v Speaker 1>But at three hundred and.

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<v Speaker 8>Twenty six pounds, he's almost got.

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<v Speaker 1>A thirty four inch you know length to his arms.

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<v Speaker 8>He's got a ten inch and in a wingspan of

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<v Speaker 8>over eighty inches. So they're doing a tremendous job of

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<v Speaker 8>of You know, a guy with with that type of

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<v Speaker 8>that type of body is one of those dudes that

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<v Speaker 8>entire shoes without bending over. You know, he's he's he's

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<v Speaker 8>gonna be able to control you with those long arms

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<v Speaker 8>and those strong hands. He's an impressive athlete for his size.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, there's no question. I mean, he has quick feeding.

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<v Speaker 8>He plays low. When he doesn't, he's gonna have issues,

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<v Speaker 8>There's no question about that. I mean, I know I've

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<v Speaker 8>seen him get moved pretty well on some double teams.

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<v Speaker 8>But he's he's got a lot of masks and if

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<v Speaker 8>he handles it right, he's a damn good uh two

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<v Speaker 8>gap defender.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 8>He's got strength, he's got athleticism. You know, he'll he

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<v Speaker 8>does have like he'll he'll he'll snatch you and swim

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit. You know, he's he's a he's a

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<v Speaker 8>brute strength kind of guy. You know, he's a and

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<v Speaker 8>it's not like he can't play a defense where it's

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<v Speaker 8>a penetration into gaps. He's got the versatility to do that,

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<v Speaker 8>I will, playing both in a one gap and the

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<v Speaker 8>two gap kind of scenario. So he gives Lure in

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<v Speaker 8>a amos some versatility in that regard. And again talking

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<v Speaker 8>about the hands, he's got violent hands, I mean strong

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<v Speaker 8>lower body, uh, strong moodor second effort guy. Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 8>know he is he's got his nose over his skis

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<v Speaker 8>and he ends up on the ground a little bit

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<v Speaker 8>against single blocks, which.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that can be corrected very easily.

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<v Speaker 8>So he's I think, I think he's you know, he

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<v Speaker 8>looks maybe he's a little bit tight in his hips.

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<v Speaker 8>That might be the only you know, knock that you

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<v Speaker 8>can you can throw out there with him. But again,

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<v Speaker 8>I think they gave up eighty two plays of twenty

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<v Speaker 8>yards or more.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you have trouble stopping.

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<v Speaker 8>The run and give up big plays in the running game,

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<v Speaker 8>you're going to get crushed in the passing game.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of it was getting beaten physically.

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<v Speaker 8>A lot of it was you know, metal mistakes hit

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<v Speaker 8>and raw gaps and breaking down and coverages and that

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<v Speaker 8>sort of thing. But what you want to do is

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<v Speaker 8>rectify any of the problems that you have from a

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<v Speaker 8>physical standpoint. And you lose DJ reader, you got to

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<v Speaker 8>do something, man. You've got to get some people that

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<v Speaker 8>you can rotate in there to plug up that running game,

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<v Speaker 8>particularly in this division. And it was amazing to me

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<v Speaker 8>to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers almost duplicate every position Bengals took.

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<v Speaker 1>They took one. It was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 8>Bengals take an offensive lineman, they take one. Bengals take

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<v Speaker 8>an interior defensive limon, they take one. You know, Bengals

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<v Speaker 8>take a wide receiver. They seemed to me it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 8>So Baltimore, I think did their solid job. Cleveland didn't

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<v Speaker 8>have a whole lot of a lot of hooks in the.

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<v Speaker 9>Initial stages, but in this division you'd have to be

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<v Speaker 9>able to be pig physical and run the ball with

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<v Speaker 9>some a modicum of consistency and stop the run with

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<v Speaker 9>a bigger mod consistency.

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<v Speaker 2>So in between the two defensive tackles selected, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a wide receiver. Jermaine Burton started his college career Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>spent two years there, finished it at Alabama, spent two

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<v Speaker 2>years there and averaged eighteen yards per catch, playing four

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<v Speaker 2>seasons in the SEC. The word explosive jumps out when

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<v Speaker 2>you watch the tape of Jermaine Burton.

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<v Speaker 1>Jermaine Burton is a dog.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean there's no other, no better way, and I

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<v Speaker 8>mean that in a good way of four years starter.

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<v Speaker 1>He said in Georgia for a couple then he goes

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<v Speaker 1>to Alabama. I mean, this.

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<v Speaker 8>Guy is you know, he he averaged a career high

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<v Speaker 8>twenty and a half catch yards per catch last year,

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<v Speaker 8>number one in the SEC.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking SEC.

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<v Speaker 8>We're talking Georgia, We're talking Alabama. He plays with definitely

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<v Speaker 8>a swagger. He plays with a toughness who worked the

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<v Speaker 8>middle of the field and and and be physical in

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<v Speaker 8>that area of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He can get vertical in a hurry. He's got speed

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a quality route runner. You can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with that speed, he can sink his hips and get

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of cuts.

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<v Speaker 8>He's got an extremely low drop rate, it's the most

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<v Speaker 8>the lowest in this class of wide receivers. And you

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<v Speaker 8>know he had some off the field issues. I think

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<v Speaker 8>part of that was due to his competitive nature. Uh

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<v Speaker 8>to be I guess about it. But that's a matter

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<v Speaker 8>of maturity, a matter of growing up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think that it's not like they feel like

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<v Speaker 8>he's you know, he robbed a bank or he's got an.

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<v Speaker 1>Alcoholic drug problem or whatever. And this locker room is

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<v Speaker 1>is solid. I mean, it's it's got a lot of uh,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of high quality guys in it.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'm sure they feel like the wide receiver room

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<v Speaker 8>and the coach of the wide receiver room is a

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<v Speaker 8>former player himself, and they feel like they can probably

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<v Speaker 8>help this guy in that maturation process a little bit.

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<v Speaker 8>And again we talk about hands. His hands were oversized,

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<v Speaker 8>his frame for his body type, and the statshers out

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<v Speaker 8>of that football pretty down done, effectively plays through contact,

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<v Speaker 8>and the dude's fielders. There's no doubt about it. Like

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<v Speaker 8>I said, I mean, he's a dog. There's I thought, Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 8>then in the corner of it, and then it's like

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<v Speaker 8>Burton heat he's he's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the best. He's got the most.

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<v Speaker 8>Talent that's left on the board put up you know,

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<v Speaker 8>significant nun numbers against the best players in college football,

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<v Speaker 8>in the conference that college football has to offer.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like to pick man. I'm excited to see

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<v Speaker 1>high he blossoms.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Bengals definitely vetted his character. They took one

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<v Speaker 2>of their visits that they're allowed to have with players

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<v Speaker 2>at the Combine and used it on him. Then they

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<v Speaker 2>used one of their thirty you know, visits in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>that they're allowed to have on him. So they took

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of opportunities to talk to him to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the bottom of some of these things that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>including a postgame incident in a game against Tennessee. And

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<v Speaker 2>they came away from those two meetings thinking, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a good person that's made a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes and he's going to fit in nicely here, right, you.

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<v Speaker 8>Know, competitive nature of losing the temper, you know, confrontation

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<v Speaker 8>with the band, I mean, those are things that do

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<v Speaker 8>you want it to be something that happens with any.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of regularity?

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<v Speaker 8>Now, I mean, do you think possibly he may have

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<v Speaker 8>learned something, you know, maybe maybe uh you know, in

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<v Speaker 8>Alabama can can help him get some counseling, Maybe the

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<v Speaker 8>Bengals can help get some consoling and control his temp

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit. But part of that is what makes

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<v Speaker 8>him such a good football player.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. The dude is competitive. He is a d a

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<v Speaker 1>W G. Dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he spent the last few years training in the

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<v Speaker 2>off season under t J. Hushman Zada another guy who

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<v Speaker 2>could be described as a dog in his playing days.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if he's got TJ's stamp of approval,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear that.

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<v Speaker 8>And you know, here's a guy that you know, four

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<v Speaker 8>four five, you know, in his arms thirty one inches,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean his wingspans almost seventy five inches, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>and and a little over six feet hundred ninety six pounds.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, he's uh, he's done. He's done a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of a lot of trains sty they drafted. They drafted

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<v Speaker 8>guys with measurables and a lot of traits that in

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<v Speaker 8>in uh, you know, everybody's estimation could lend itself to

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<v Speaker 8>success in the in the National Football League. And I

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<v Speaker 8>think I trust the fact that they feel like they

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<v Speaker 8>can control and handle any issues that he may have

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<v Speaker 8>and he'll be a big contributor for him on the

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<v Speaker 8>football field.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's quickly look ahead to Day three. The

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals have six picks left. They've got a fourth, a

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<v Speaker 2>fifth to sixth round picks, and two seventh round picks.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a couple of those picks will probably be

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<v Speaker 2>used on cornerbacks. Yep, that's cornerbacks, not quarterbacks. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be surprised if a pick is used on a punter

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<v Speaker 2>to complete with compete with Brad Robbins. Maybe somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>had experience as a kick returner in college. Since you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the new kick return rules in the NFL, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure they're thinking about somebody that can do that. Any

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<v Speaker 2>other thoughts for you on position groups they'll be attacking

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<v Speaker 2>on Day three?

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I agree with you, Dan, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 8>have to address the corners, and in the fourth, fifth, sixth,

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<v Speaker 8>and seventh round you're looking at twenty six draftable players,

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<v Speaker 8>you know. I mean there are forty one draftable corners overall,

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<v Speaker 8>and over half of them are going to be in

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<v Speaker 8>Day three of the draft. So that's why, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>it's like there was a run on corners. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>let's let's double down at the at the interior defensive

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<v Speaker 8>tackle position. That's an area that we need to address.

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<v Speaker 8>So I have no problem with them doing that, and

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<v Speaker 8>I do think they will attack that cornerback position. And

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<v Speaker 8>then after that, it's like, okay, well we do we

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<v Speaker 8>double down at the offensive tackle position? Do we address

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<v Speaker 8>the interior the offensive line? When you're talking a round six,

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<v Speaker 8>four through through six, you're looking at nineteen, nineteen and twenty,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, candidates in those rounds.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a deep draft.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, there's not you know, in my mind there

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<v Speaker 8>it's been talking to people around the league. There's not

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<v Speaker 8>a big difference in pick seventy to pick one hundred

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<v Speaker 8>and fifty with a lot of people. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 8>are a lot of teams around the league have similar grades.

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<v Speaker 8>It's not like there's a huge disparity of a major

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<v Speaker 8>drop off you know.

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<v Speaker 1>From from an eighty pick.

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<v Speaker 8>Scenario in this in this draft, so you know that

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<v Speaker 8>that goes well. I do think some of the position

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<v Speaker 8>groups that the Bengals will address and double down on

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<v Speaker 8>there there's death in those rounds and and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>tej Christian zad is a great example. He's a seventh

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<v Speaker 8>round pick. Look at how his career turned out.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent call on interior offensive lineman. I think there will

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<v Speaker 2>definitely be at least one of those guys selected as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's after midnight. You've been talking for a long time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you spending a few minutes with us, and

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<v Speaker 2>I will see you tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir Dan, get a good night's sleep.

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<v Speaker 8>I know when my hit my head hits the pillow,

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<v Speaker 8>and ain't gonna take long to.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have another edition of this podcast following day three,

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<v Speaker 2>and then on Monday, I'll get the front office perspective

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<v Speaker 2>as I'll be joined by the Bengals Director of College Scouting,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Potts. That's going to do it for this episode.

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