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Speaker 1: What do we have, krisal indeed we do so. Finally,

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Speaker 1: a very long time, not just during his time as

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Speaker 1: Prime minister, I mean, which, of course, I mean he

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Speaker 1: was the longest of prime minister from twenty twelve to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, but even before before he became prime minister.

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Speaker 1: Between his two stints as prime minister, I mean, he

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Speaker 1: just a tremendously influential figure. And frankly, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's almost hard to imagine what the Japanese political system

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Speaker 1: looks like with him gone. I mean, so with that,

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Speaker 1: you know, with that in MND to your second question,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, of course, I've spent you know,

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Speaker 1: years and years thinking about him. I mean, even before

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Speaker 1: writing my book about him, he was, you know, this

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Speaker 1: figure who occupied a lot of brain space. I mean

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Speaker 1: just you know, so just a tremendous shock. I mean, certainly,

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Speaker 1: you know, entirely unexpected. You know, I think everyone who

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Speaker 1: watches Japanese politics was anticipating years and years of watching

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Speaker 1: him kind of invent a new role as an ex

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Speaker 1: prime minister and continue to wield influence. So it's just

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Speaker 1: really shocking to think that that's not going to be

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Speaker 1: the case. Yeah, you have a quote and the piece

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Speaker 1: that you wrote for the New York Times where you're

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Speaker 1: quoting Steve Bannon, of course, former President Trump's former chief strategist,

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Speaker 1: saying that Abe was Trump before Trump, which he of

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Speaker 1: course meant as a compliment. Not everyone would certainly take

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Speaker 1: it that way. What was meant by that. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to try to read the mind of Steve Vannon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was a point sort of

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Speaker 1: about nationalism and nationalist appeals and looking at that aspect

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Speaker 1: of Abbe. But I actually think they're very very different figures,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I talked about this in New York

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Speaker 1: Times piece. You know, you look back at the entire

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Speaker 1: arc of ABB's career and also his family, which really

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Speaker 1: shaped his political identity and the ideas he was pursuing.

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Speaker 1: You know, abb was a state builder. Abbe looked at

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Speaker 1: the long arc of Japanese history, both up until the

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Speaker 1: time he entered politics, but then also looking ahead to

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Speaker 1: the future and wanted a to build a strong, top down,

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Speaker 1: centralized government in a way that Japan Japanese government, the

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Speaker 1: Japanese government hasn't been, hadn't been after nineteen forty five,

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Speaker 1: that was going to be able to have a proper

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Speaker 1: crises effectively, that would really be able to meet the

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Speaker 1: challenges that Japan was going into face in the coming decades.

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Speaker 1: And he was very clear about this. He was persistent

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Speaker 1: about it. It was something that he always made clear

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Speaker 1: and so you know, and also with that came I

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Speaker 1: think a certain amount of flexibility and pragmatism. It was

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Speaker 1: always about what do I need to do to make

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Speaker 1: sure that Japan is strong and prosperous and secure in

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Speaker 1: an increasingly dangerous world. And frankly, that also meant that

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Speaker 1: he was willing to do things like open the Japanese

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Speaker 1: economy to trade, welcome foreign investment, welcome more immigration. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have a record by the end of his tenure,

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Speaker 1: you had a record number of foreign workers in Japan.

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Speaker 1: That does not sound like Trump before Trump to me

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Speaker 1: one thing, though, that is an echo of some of

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Speaker 1: the debates at least that we're having now that are

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Speaker 1: unfolding on the right of American politics. Is he introduced

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Speaker 1: his own version of patriotic education into schools. There was

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Speaker 1: some whitewashing of Japanese war crimes in World War Two,

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Speaker 1: which very much a break from the way that this

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Speaker 1: had been dealt with in schools and in sort of

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Speaker 1: national culture before. Could you speak to how significant that

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Speaker 1: was and what he was getting out after there? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and and you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: downplay that aspect of him. I mean there was you know,

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Speaker 1: that was certainly early in his career, back in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, when he was a young lawmaker, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to make his name. You know, that was an

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Speaker 1: issue he attached himself to. There was this movement to

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Speaker 1: change the textbooks that were being used in schools, you know,

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Speaker 1: fierce enmity towards the teachers' unions, which really, throughout the

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Speaker 1: entire Cold War period had been some of the most

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Speaker 1: radically left wing unions among all Japanese unions. So there's

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question that that was part of

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Speaker 1: his agenda. I mean, he very much saw education. In fact,

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Speaker 1: you look at the book he wrote back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, which really, I mean really lays out

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Speaker 1: his philosophy and his way of thinking quite clearly. You know,

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Speaker 1: education to him was also part of state building, and

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Speaker 1: you know, he looked at back, going back again, going

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Speaker 1: back to nineteen forty five under the US occupation. One

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Speaker 1: of the things the US did was completely reform the

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Speaker 1: Japanese education system, much more local control, you know, of course,

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Speaker 1: much more room for the teachers' union to influence what

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Speaker 1: was happening in the classroom. And you know, he saw

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Speaker 1: that if Japan is again believing that Japan needed to

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Speaker 1: be a strong state, he saw the way Japanese children

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Speaker 1: were educated as an obstacle to that, because he believed

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Speaker 1: the Japanese children were being taught to hate their country

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Speaker 1: and that that had to change, and that if you

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Speaker 1: were going to have Japanese children being willing, you know,

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Speaker 1: to sacrifice on behalf of their country, then they had

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Speaker 1: to be taught made to feel proud of their country.

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Speaker 1: I personally, I don't think you need to downplay historical

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Speaker 1: atrocities to make people feel proud of your country. And

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Speaker 1: I think lots of I think, frankly, lots of Japanese

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Speaker 1: people felt proud of what was built after nineteen forty

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Speaker 1: five and the country that Japan came, so, you know,

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Speaker 1: but this was absolutely part of his program. It was

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Speaker 1: clearly something that he wanted to change about the country.

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Speaker 1: I think the most fascinating. I've respected Abe for a

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Speaker 1: long time. I think of all the major US allies,

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Speaker 1: Japan is the one which people probably know the least

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Speaker 1: about here in America. But he still had a deep

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Speaker 1: amount of affection, at least amongst the US elite. He

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Speaker 1: was I think friends had appeared with four sitting US presidents,

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Speaker 1: which is remarkable. And I think what you point to

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Speaker 1: you and you write is that his major commitment was

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Speaker 1: to Japan, not only as to an ideal, but something

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Speaker 1: that should be robust in its defense, both against China

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Speaker 1: and North Korea. I was telling you before we went

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Speaker 1: on the air, I actually the opportunity to ask him

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Speaker 1: a question about North Korea twenty eighteen, whenever he was

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister appearing next to President Trump. And that

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Speaker 1: was really the last unfulfilled part of his legacy. So

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Speaker 1: do you think that that legacy will move forward in

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Speaker 1: Japan as a result of his assassination, which is a

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Speaker 1: Titanic political moment, like how well abeism is it? Like

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Speaker 1: almost like a Kennedy figure and trying to recast and

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Speaker 1: reclaim that. How do you think this is going to

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Speaker 1: affect them going forward? I mean, it's a great question.

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Speaker 1: It's one that I think lots of us are trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out. You know, once the dust settles, what

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Speaker 1: exactly is going to happen. I mean, there's a few

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Speaker 1: different moving parts of it, I think. I mean, first

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Speaker 1: of all, you know he did over the course of

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Speaker 1: his career he built the Japanese national security establishment in

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Speaker 1: a way that you hadn't seen before. You have a

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Speaker 1: more potent military, You have i think a more streamlined

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Speaker 1: command structure. You have a proper Ministry of Defense, which

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Speaker 1: is something you created the first time became prime minister.

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Speaker 1: You have a national security establishment that allows our secretariat,

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Speaker 1: that allows the Prime Minister to have a much more

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Speaker 1: direct hand in making foreign and security policy. So all

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Speaker 1: of that now exists. His successors now have these institutions.

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Speaker 1: They're much more able to be national security leaders, to

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Speaker 1: serve as as global statesman in the way that he

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Speaker 1: did compared to the past. One other thing that he

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Speaker 1: changed is that I think the LDP, the Liberal Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: is I think a much more uniformly I guess called

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Speaker 1: hawkish party than maybe it had been at the start

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Speaker 1: of his career. You know, there used to be I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, much in the same way that the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party you know, of course used to have. You know, actually,

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Speaker 1: really both American parties used to be much more diverse

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Speaker 1: in the kind of views. The LDP has been become

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Speaker 1: a much more ideologically coherent party compared to when he

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Speaker 1: entered politics in nineteen ninety three, and some of that

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Speaker 1: effect was a result in twenty twelve when he came

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Speaker 1: back to the LDP's leadership, a lot of the old

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Speaker 1: a lot of the older, more dubbish LDP members retired

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Speaker 1: and ended up being replaced by younger, handpicked politicians who

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Speaker 1: shared AB's views, and so you now have, I think

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Speaker 1: a big chunk of the LDP basically wants to press

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Speaker 1: on with Abbai's vision for a stronger Japan, a more

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Speaker 1: capable a Japan, more capable defending itself. And so you

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Speaker 1: do have, of course, with current Prime Minister Kishita, a

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Speaker 1: a self style dove liberal. He's from Hiroshima, but even

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Speaker 1: he he was elected really thanks to ABBE support last

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Speaker 1: year and made very clear that he was committed to

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Speaker 1: pushing ahead. And so right now, in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of months, there's going to be a big debate about

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Speaker 1: defense spending for the budget next year. All signs point

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Speaker 1: to there's going to be an increase of some kind.

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Speaker 1: Is just a question of just how much and what

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Speaker 1: they're going to spend on. And Kishada has also signaled

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Speaker 1: that he's willing to consider acquire during offensive or not

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Speaker 1: offensive strike capabilities, but the ability destroyed targets overseas in

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Speaker 1: a defensive capacity, let's call it. And so that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's where we are right now. There's still some questions

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Speaker 1: about what the publics can sign on for, what members

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Speaker 1: of the coalition government to sign on for, but certainly

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of energy behind moving ahead with that. Yeah. Absolutely, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for breaking it down for us

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Speaker 1: to us. We really appreciate it. Yours biographer will have

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Speaker 1: a link down in the description to the book and

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Speaker 1: to the New York Times article that we reference, and

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us, Thank you, thank you, folks.

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Speaker 1: We are getting close to the midterm elections and so

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Speaker 1: we decided we are going to dive all the way

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Speaker 1: into the polling the candidate, the Democrats, the Republicans, the House,

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Speaker 1: the show that we were going to dig into as well.

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Speaker 1: So the whole show is going to be election focused.

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Speaker 1: Safe for our monologue, Soccer is looking at energy crisis,

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Speaker 1: looking at the crisis in Sri Lanka that is spreading

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Speaker 1: to a lot of other countries in the developing world. World.

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Speaker 1: But to start with a couple of announcements. Two announcements

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Speaker 1: housekeeping number one Live show. Let's put this up there

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Speaker 1: September sixteenth, seven thirty pm Eastern Standard time. We've got

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Speaker 1: to us. All right, So we wanted to start with

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Speaker 1: that New York Times polling, which is deeply revealing both

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Speaker 1: kinds of things to get into here. So let's start

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Speaker 1: with the big picture, how the country is feeling about

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Speaker 1: the president and how Democrats are feeling about President Biden.

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Speaker 1: Right now, let's go ahead and put this first part

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Speaker 1: Times headline. They say most Democrats don't want Biden in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Newfowl shows with the country group by

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Speaker 1: a pervasive sense of pessimism, the president is hemorrhaging support.

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Speaker 1: So here are the specifics on those numbers, and this

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Speaker 1: Sixty four percent of Democratic voters say they would prefer

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Speaker 1: a new standard bearer in the twenty twenty four presidential campaign,

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Speaker 1: and his approval rating among all voters is just as

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Speaker 1: abysmal as it could possibly be, only a thirty three

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Speaker 1: percent job approval rating. When you dig into these numbers,

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Speaker 1: you will not be surprised to learn that voters say

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Speaker 1: the economy is extremely important to them. In fact, seventy

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Speaker 1: five percent of voters say the economy is extremely important

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Speaker 1: to them, and yet only one percent of all voters

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Speaker 1: rate economic conditions as excellent. Among those who are working age,

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Speaker 1: only six percent said the economy was either good or excellent.

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Speaker 1: So voters are saying overwhelmingly the economy is their number

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Speaker 1: one issue, that it's extremely important to them, and that

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Speaker 1: they think it is absolutely abysmal. One other piece on

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Speaker 1: We're going to dig in a moment into the sort

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Speaker 1: of age breakdown here, because the abandonment among young voters

659
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Speaker 1: is particularly striking given that this was the demographic that

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Speaker 1: was supposed to set Democrats up for permanent dominance within politics,

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Speaker 1: and they are fleeing Joe Biden. Now that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: they're going to the Republicans, but they are deeply, deeply

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Speaker 1: dissatisfied with this president and with the direction of the country.

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Speaker 1: But another thing that I thought was really notable within

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Speaker 1: the numbers of the number of Democratic voters saying they

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Speaker 1: want a different candidate. Of course, Joe Biden. The reason

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Speaker 1: he got the Democratic nomination overwhelmingly was because of his

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Speaker 1: support among black voters. You now have more black voters

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Speaker 1: than not saying they want a different nominee. So forty

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Speaker 1: seven percent of Black Democratic voters say they would like

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Speaker 1: to see someone other than Joe Biden as compared to

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Speaker 1: forty four percent who say they want Biden right now.

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Speaker 1: Let me just give you one quote from one of

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Speaker 1: those voters and how they're thinking about this. Forty four

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Speaker 1: year old Clifton Heard, a maintenance specialist in Alabama, says quote,

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Speaker 1: anybody could be doing a better job than what they're

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00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: doing right now. He's an Independent. He said he voted

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Speaker 1: for Biden in twenty twenty, but his disillusion over the

679
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Speaker 1: state of the economy in the spiraling price of gas

680
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Speaker 1: is now reconsidering Trump. He says, I understand they've got

681
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Speaker 1: a tough job of mister Biden's administration, but he was

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Speaker 1: not prepared to do the job. I also really loved

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Speaker 1: this quote from a thirty eight year old. She's a

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Speaker 1: former factory worker in Greensburg, Indiana. She says she's been

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Speaker 1: currently sidelined by a back injury. She says, quote, we

686
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Speaker 1: used to spend two hundred dollars a week just going

687
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Speaker 1: out to have fun or going and buying extra groceries

688
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Speaker 1: if we needed it. Now we can't do that. We

689
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: are barely able to buy what we need. And I

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00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: especially love this part. I feel like he hasn't really

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Speaker 1: spoken much about it. He hasn't done what I think

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Speaker 1: he's capable of doing as president to help the American people.

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Speaker 1: As a Democrat, I figured he would really be on

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Speaker 1: our side and put us back on the right track,

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like he is not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this speaks to something that we try and highlight every

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Speaker 1: single day. People are willing to give you the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the doubt if they feel like you're trying to

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Speaker 1: do something about it, not even if you are doing

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Speaker 1: something about it, if you're trying to do something about it,

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Speaker 1: and he is just simply not able to live up

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Speaker 1: to that. So the decline of support in young people,

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Speaker 1: which we're going to do an entire thing on the

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Speaker 1: decline of support amongst black voters. But also I think

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Speaker 1: talking about age is important as well. The number one

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Speaker 1: reason that people say that they don't want him to

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Speaker 1: run again if he's as Democrats is age. And the

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Speaker 1: crosstabs of that, as he pointed out Crystal, are really interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's older Democrats who are like, yeah, I think this

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Speaker 1: guy is just too old. Yeah, And what they point

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00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: to is or what you said yesterday. It's like young

712
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Speaker 1: people who overwhelmingly backed Bernie, who is older than Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: They don't care as much about age. Yes, they want

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Speaker 1: younger blood and it kind of turns them off. But

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Speaker 1: the sole determination of age is actually amongst people. This

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Speaker 1: kind of makes sense who know better or who at

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Speaker 1: least know people, or deeply familiar with what aging looks like.

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Speaker 1: And I did my own monogue on this yesterday. I

719
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: played an interview with Biden just ten years ago. You

720
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Speaker 1: can't tell me that's the same guy, just not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: command to the facts. Stature even looks better different, you know,

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Speaker 1: more full in the face, cogent, ability to engage, doesn't

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Speaker 1: shuffle whenever he walks, doesn't stumble over his words. His

724
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: gaffs were always now they were more like top of

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Speaker 1: the mind saying what shouldn't be said, as opposed to

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Speaker 1: I don't know, misreading mettella prompter or just being genuinely

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Speaker 1: unintelligible when speaking. Yeah, that's that's right. And I mean

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Speaker 1: the way I feel about it personally is that it's

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00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: not his age per se, it's his ideology. It's his

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Speaker 1: inability to meet the moment and do the job. And

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the numbers that you get from young

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Speaker 1: voters who say their number one issue with him is

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Speaker 1: just his job performance. If he was, you know, ninety,

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Speaker 1: but he was doing the job well, I wouldn't care.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could be however old you want, if

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Speaker 1: you're able to do the job. The problem is that

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Speaker 1: he seems unable to do the job. So that's the

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Speaker 1: number one issue for young voters. Number two is not

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Speaker 1: progressive enough. That's very different landscape from as you point out,

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Speaker 1: the oldest voters. And I actually hear this and see

741
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Speaker 1: this commented online and hear it even from my own parents.

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Speaker 1: Of I can't imagine at this age being able to

743
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Speaker 1: do the job of the presidency like I feel my

744
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: own I feel what it is to start to slow down,

745
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: and so to think of him, who is not, you know,

746
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Speaker 1: certainly at the top of his game trying to handle

747
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: this office is hard to watch and hard to imagine

748
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Speaker 1: how this is working out. You know, I think it

749
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Speaker 1: is really really stunning and cannot be said enough how

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Speaker 1: much of a rebuke this is of Biden that his

751
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Speaker 1: own party a solid almost two thirds majority says they

752
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Speaker 1: want someone else. And yet there was an article yesterday's

753
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Speaker 1: CNN reporter who reached out to all the sort of

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Speaker 1: you know, elected Democrats who are being floated. Gavin Newsome

755
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Speaker 1: is getting a lot of a time to running ads

756
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Speaker 1: in Florida and all of this, and people are thinking, oh,

757
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: maybe he's setting himself up for twenty twenty four. JB. Pritzker, Rocanna.

758
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Speaker 1: They reached out to all of these folks who have

759
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: been floated as like, maybe they're going to be the

760
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: one to primary Biden, and every one of them was like, Nope,

761
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Speaker 1: sitting by, standing by, not going to do it. If

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Speaker 1: Biden is in the race, and he's in my view,

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Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent running if he's you know, able

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Speaker 1: to that's the only caveat is like if he literally

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Speaker 1: doesn't make it there. But we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: months before the presidential race really kicks off. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about I think he'll probably announce post holidays, so we're

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Speaker 1: talking about early in next year, that's right, So it's

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Speaker 1: very very soon that it's coming. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that you will have a lot of uh

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Speaker 1: in terms of numerical challengers in the primary. I do

772
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Speaker 1: think he will face the challenger from the left. Certainly,

773
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Speaker 1: Mary and Williamson has been thinking about it and floating it.

774
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Speaker 1: There may be others out there as well who were

775
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Speaker 1: thinking about it, because as just as a history oracle matter,

776
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: this is an incredibly weak president within his own party.

777
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Speaker 1: People want another option. The thing I keep saying and

778
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: keep thinking is Joe Biden was the consensus choice because

779
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: people were persuaded this was the guy who could win,

780
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Speaker 1: and he just doesn't have the numbers to back that

781
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Speaker 1: up anymore. I mean, when you look at gunput actually

782
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Speaker 1: the next graphic up on the screen that has his

783
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: approval rating or has the right track, wrong track. I mean,

784
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Speaker 1: you have massive numbers, almost eighty percent of voter saying

785
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: that we're headed in the wrong direction. His overall approval

786
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Speaker 1: rating in this poll is only thirty three percent. So

787
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Speaker 1: it's hard to look at those numbers and be like, oh, yeah,

788
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Speaker 1: this is the guy who's electable. This is the winner

789
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Speaker 1: that you really want to put on the field. So

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Speaker 1: it very much undercuts the core argument that he made

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Speaker 1: to the Democratic primary base that got him in the

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Speaker 1: slot to begin with. I can reletalely agree. I just

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Speaker 1: think it's fascinating too that none of the Democrats are

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Speaker 1: even opening the door to it. I mean at this

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Speaker 1: time in the nineteen seventies, so let's say we're roughly

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. Well, Ted Kennedy had very much top

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Speaker 1: of mind. He's like, I think I'm going to challenge

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Speaker 1: this guy. He's like, this guy's not doing well. And

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Speaker 1: the lackluster results of the nineteen seventy eight midterm elections

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Speaker 1: are really what gave Kennedy the confidence to say, on

801
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Speaker 1: top of the Iran contract crisis, he said, this guy

802
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: can't do the job. We'll have to challenge him. We

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Speaker 1: have to try and have a new generation. Now. Look,

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Speaker 1: Carter did beat him ultimately in that primary, but it

805
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: did certainly wound him going into the general. But the

806
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Speaker 1: theory of the case, and Kennedy was a bad candidate

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Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, but still the thinking at

808
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Speaker 1: the time was like, there's just no way this guy

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Speaker 1: can stand up to Ronald Reagan. They were right, they

810
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Speaker 1: were right. That's actually such a great point because oftentimes

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Speaker 1: the lesson that Democrats learn, and you see this even

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Speaker 1: in the response from I can't remember which one name

813
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: checked this specifically, but this is the ethos coming from

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Speaker 1: these Democrats who were saying, no, if Joe's running, like,

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Speaker 1: we're out. I mean Bertie Sanders obviously already took himself

816
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Speaker 1: out of contention too, if Joe was running, which I

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Speaker 1: think we all should assume that he ultimately is. The

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Speaker 1: lesson they normally take is it was a mistake for

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Speaker 1: Kennedy to primary Carter because that hurt Carter and that's

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Speaker 1: what leads to him losing to Ronald Reagan. No, that

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Speaker 1: is not what led to the massive landslide defeat of

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter. In fact, the lesson should have been, when

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Speaker 1: you had that week president, you actually should have switched

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Speaker 1: towards us. Now. I don't know that Ted Kennedy was

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00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: the right dude for it, but they actually did need

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Speaker 1: to change who they were backing to have a prayer

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Speaker 1: of being able to stop that, you know, Reagan revolution

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Speaker 1: coming into power, which has reset our politics now for

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Speaker 1: an entire generation, for my entire life. So it's kind

830
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Speaker 1: of the opposite lesson of what they should have learned.

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Speaker 1: They should look at that and go, you know what

832
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Speaker 1: Kennedy was onto something Carter was extremely weak and we

833
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Speaker 1: were going to get our butts handed to us, and

834
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Speaker 1: we should have gone behind another nominee. But that is

835
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Speaker 1: not the lesson they learned. And listen, I mean they

836
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Speaker 1: use the threat of Trump right even though, and we're

837
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Speaker 1: going to get to this in a little bit, even

838
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Speaker 1: as these numbers are super dire for Joe Biden in

839
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: the head to head matchup with Trump, he still had

840
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: to him out, still beats him, still beats him, and

841
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, his numbers are better than the next most

842
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: likely person with just Kamala Harris. Yeah, so they're really

843
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: they're really kind of stuck. And I keep thinking about

844
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: remember when in France Emmanuel Macron wins pretty easily over

845
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: Marine La penn in spite of the fact that I

846
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: think his approval rating was in like the low to

847
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: mid thirties as well, very similar dynamic to Joe Biden

848
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Speaker 1: and Ron. Klaine, Biden's chief of staff, tweets out interesting

849
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Speaker 1: that Macron is able to easily win with this very

850
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: low approval rating. That's clearly the path that they think

851
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Speaker 1: they're going to be able to walk, which is, listen,

852
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Speaker 1: you may be totally miserable under I mean, you may

853
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: despise what, you may be completely disappointed and disillusion but

854
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: you're still gonna like us better than that other guy.

855
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: And that's what they're ultimately betting on. That's their only prayer. Yeah,

856
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Speaker 1: it is, And like you said, they have data to

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Speaker 1: point to. Yeah, Macron did win. You know, the poll

858
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: does show him, and I just you know, look, it

859
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Speaker 1: just shows what a messed up country we're in. Is

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Speaker 1: actually a poll literally just came out this morning that

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Speaker 1: relates to what you're saying. Should Trump run for president again?

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Speaker 1: This is Political Morning Console twenty twenty four Yes thirty

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Speaker 1: five percent, No, sixty one percent. Should Biden run for

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Speaker 1: president again? No? Yes, twenty nine percent, no sixty four

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Speaker 1: I mean that's basically in the margin of area you

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Speaker 1: have two Thursday, the American people on both sides saying

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Speaker 1: I don't want either and want these people almost certainly

868
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Speaker 1: to be the outcome. Crazy stuff could happen. I think

869
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat, what you should plan on is

870
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: very likely contingency that Donald Trump may also be too

871
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: old to be able to run. He also going to

872
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: have a health concern is not exactly the best health.

873
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: You know, he may not be able to run in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. And if that's the case, I mean,

875
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: Biden is dead. There's no way he stands up against

876
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: Ron Desanta or any generic rep I mean, I yeah, today,

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00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you. It is a long time between

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00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: then and now, So I don't want to say like,

879
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: I think it's too early to make that assumption. But

880
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: I do think that Trump is the most beatable of

881
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: the Republicans when it comes to Joe Biden. I got

882
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: to eat some crow here. Doctor Oz is not doing

883
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: something in that I thought he'd be great. I'll be

884
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: honest with you. I thought that he's good on TV. Yeah,

885
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: I did too. I'm actually a little surprised by how

886
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: poor he's been so far. It's still early. A man,

887
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: Oz is just terrible so far. Fetterman, despite the fact

888
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: that recent reporting shows that he can't even properly speak

889
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: and may never even get that skill back, is destroying

890
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: him whenever it comes to painting him as an outsider, which,

891
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: to be fair, he has a mansion in New Jersey,

892
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: and he's got a more recent ad, which is slamming

893
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: doctor Oz has got extraordinarily viral resonating in the state.

894
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: Painting Oz as an outsider who doesn't even belong in Pennsylvania.

895
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, hey, Paple magazine, Welcome to our home.

896
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: Come on, and the original owner had gotten it from

897
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Speaker 1: King George the Third. Come on, now we hit the

898
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: basketball court around the corner. They little Pennsylvania tell me

899
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: they can't go on vacation this summer. Folks you mentioned

900
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: are going off to these beautiful houses. They thirst second

901
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: or third houses. They've got to hang it out. That's

902
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: not what's going on with many people in Pennsylvania. For

903
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: those of you who are just happening, it's the whole lifestyle,

904
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: the rich and famous knock off. It starts with them actually,

905
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: like you know, doing this people magazine, Welcome to our mansions,

906
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Speaker 1: showing them around the basketball court, and then it lists

907
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: all of the properties that he owns and shows some

908
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: of them. He owns nine different mansions around the world.

909
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: And the kicker there at the end, they say number

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00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: nine he finally bought a house in Pennsylvania. And what's craziest,

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00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell doctor Oz is doing

912
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: put this up there on He's had no television ads

913
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: since he actually won the primary. He's completely dark. Fetterman

914
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: is destroying him on the airwaves, pointing himself out as

915
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: an outsider, and Oz doesn't have any affirmative political vision.

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00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 1: I mean he was actually, frankly, he was doing better

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00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: on the campaign trail, going after David McCormick and really

918
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: running against Biden. And he hasn't been on the air

919
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: since May twenty first, even though John Fetterman is destroying

920
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: him day after day after day as a carpetbagger from

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. That's not what the expectation on OZ was whatsoever.

922
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: On the one hand, yeah, he's worth hundreds of millions

923
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Speaker 1: of dollars personally, has the money in order to do

924
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Speaker 1: anything that he would need to to go up on

925
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Speaker 1: the air. But two, he's got a big bank account,

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Speaker 1: a big war chest. His issue right now is that

927
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania GOP voters don't trust him after a brutal campaign.

928
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Speaker 1: To the extent that people went with him, it was

929
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Speaker 1: really only because Trump really dragged him across the finish line.

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Speaker 1: He should have been up the day after both targeting

931
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Speaker 1: the GOP because his unfavorables are so hi and two

932
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: going after John Fetterman. I mean, it's crazy that John

933
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: Fetterman is beating him right now literally from his hospital.

934
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: Like Fetterman has not been on the campaign trail for

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Speaker 1: two months since he suffered a stroke. As I said,

936
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: reporting indicates it was way more serious than Fetterman ever

937
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: let on he finally told to everybody the truth after

938
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Speaker 1: the doctors openly were like, yeah, this wasn't some mild stroke.

939
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Speaker 1: And the campaign videos that have come out recently show

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Speaker 1: him have lost an extraordinary amount of weight from his

941
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Speaker 1: own personal from his own personal health. There's reporting, like

942
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Speaker 1: I said, there indicate he may never fully retain his

943
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: ability to speak. And yet Oz is losing outside the

944
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Speaker 1: margin of error in the head to head poles against.

945
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Speaker 1: It's a disaster. L what's happening to him. The latest

946
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Speaker 1: pull USA today Suffolk has Fetterman of by nine. Yeah,

947
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: and that's crazy. What's remarkable too, is that this shows

948
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Speaker 1: you how, you know, a lot of times policy doesn't matter,

949
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Speaker 1: whether we would like it to or not. In the

950
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Speaker 1: gubernatorial race, where you have you know, Shapiro, who is

951
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Speaker 1: is a well known figure in the state of the

952
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Speaker 1: Democratic side. He's done a few good things. There's nothing

953
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Speaker 1: like objectionable really about him. And then you have Mastriano,

954
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: who's like, was there on January. I mean, this guy

955
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 1: was intimately involved in the January sixth election insanity. He's

956
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: completely extreme on abortion. He has these views that are

957
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: very much out of step with the mainstream politics. That

958
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: race is closer than actually Fetterman and Oz, which is

959
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: really interesting and a testament I think to what a

960
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: smart campaign John Ftterman is running. Frankly, this is the

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Speaker 1: type of thing that Republicans normally do well, where they're like,

962
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: you know what, we understand our economic policy in particular

963
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: is really unpopular. So we're not going to talk about that.

964
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: We're going to use cultural touchstones and vibes to show

965
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: you that we are the ones that get your concerns

966
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: and we are the ones who are going to fight

967
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Speaker 1: for you and that you can relate to. And in

968
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Speaker 1: this matchup, I mean, this is a perfect matchup ultimately

969
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: for Fetterman, because Fetterman does he is Pennsylvania thrown through,

970
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: is a of a steel town. He you know, where's

971
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: the basketball Jim shorts everywhere he goes and it feels

972
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: very natural. He's got you know, he's he's very comfortable

973
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: in his skin. He's not one of these Democrats that, like,

974
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: you know, they've never worn jeans and a flannel shirt

975
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: before they filmed the campaign at which is like ninety

976
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Speaker 1: percent of the candidates Democrats love to run Republicancy that

977
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: sometimes too, but this matchup where Fetterman clearly saw, Oh,

978
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Speaker 1: I know the contrast to make here, I know how

979
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: to I know how to pull this off. I'm not

980
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: sure that I would have predicted that this would be

981
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: as damning and as devastating as it is so far,

982
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: but it really, it has been very savvy and very clever,

983
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: and I think it has hurt Oz a lot, especially

984
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: as he is completely silent and he's running. Oz is

985
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: running this completely cookie cutter, standard Republican talking point line

986
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: of attack against Fetterman. His most recent tweet was when

987
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: the most extreme liberals endorsed John Fetterman and tells you

988
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: everything you need to know about what kind of center

989
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: do you? It's all just like, oh, he's he's left,

990
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: he's Bernie Sanders, he's a socialist. All just completely cookie

991
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: cutter talking points that you see in every single Republican race,

992
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: and people are not impressed. Also, extreme liberals like what

993
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: that's what Kelly laff remember This is Kelly Laffer against Warnocks.

994
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: She'd be like radical socialist Raphael Warnock. Well, how did

995
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: that work out for you? Kelly? I mean, you know

996
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: how you run against John Fetterman. Don't talk about him

997
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 1: at all, talk about Joe Biden, and by Biden. Biden Biden,

998
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a Biden stooge. Just run against Biden.

999
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: Run against the National Democrats. That's the easiest thing. You

1000
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: don't even have to tie to them. It's making into

1001
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: a national referendum and say, hey, if you want somebody

1002
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: to go up and stand up against Joe Biden and

1003
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: lawyer gas Price and vote for me, I mean, is

1004
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: that so difficult? I just I truly don't get it.

1005
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: Because the problem that Oz has right now is Fetterman

1006
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: is destroying him as the carpetbagger, and he needs to

1007
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: at the very least be on the airwaves reminding people

1008
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: that he lives in Pennsylvania. Now, be a good listen.

1009
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they're long history of carpet bagging. Ask

1010
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and Bobby Kennedy. You think they were from

1011
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: New York? All right? So throw this up there on

1012
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: this Fetterman is running and flying planes over the Jersey

1013
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: Shore to troll doctor Ozz. He's selling bumper stickers that

1014
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: say doctor Oz for New Jersey and it is really

1015
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: resonating with a lot of people. And like I said,

1016
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: the issue with Oz is not like he has a

1017
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of support within the GOP base because they

1018
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: don't trust him after the brutal campaign David McCormick and

1019
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: all of that. And look, even if Trump comes to

1020
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and tries to drag him across the finish line

1021
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: for the general election, it's still going to be a

1022
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: very uphill battle. Fetterman is again a testament, just like

1023
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: we were talking about with herschel Walker, where candidate quality

1024
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: doesn't always matter, but when it does, it can matter

1025
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: a lot, and it can matter just enough in other

1026
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: points in order to drag you across the finish line.

1027
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: And with the current campaign, as long as it remains

1028
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: where it is now, and Oz seems totally frozen and

1029
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: inability to really not even define Fetterman but have a

1030
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: reason to vote for him, which again I think is

1031
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: extremely easy. Just vote for me in order to stand

1032
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: up to Joe Biden. I don't see the I don't

1033
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: see a way where he can pull himself out of this. Now,

1034
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: look it's still early. He could shift strategy. He could

1035
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: do exactly what I'm saying. You know, Look, he's still

1036
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: a multi he's a multimillionaire celebrity. He didn't get there

1037
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: by no reason. He's very politically talented when he wants

1038
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: to be. I just think that he's very frozen right

1039
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: now and doesn't seem to know what to do well

1040
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: whenever he's backed into a corner. It really does. The

1041
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: Federman strategy here really does remind me of what Obama

1042
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: and his team did to met Robber Roman. Yeah, that's right.

1043
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: It really does look like a very similar playbook. I

1044
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys remember those ads, but they

1045
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: were excellent and they were savage, and I mean remember

1046
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: the guy that's like, you know, white working class guy,

1047
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: I think at Ohio saying that they made him build

1048
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: the stage where the executives then announced that they're all

1049
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: getting fired, and he's like, it was like I was

1050
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: building my own coffin. They went up on the air early,

1051
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: and that actually goes against a lot of sort of

1052
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom in politics, is you wait till the end

1053
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: and then you you know, dump millions of dollars of

1054
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: ads on the air waves because that's when voters are

1055
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: finally paying attention. Well, the Obama team said, no, we

1056
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: are going to define Mitt Romney early, before they have

1057
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: a chance to find themselves, and we are going to

1058
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: paint him as this cartoonishly villainous like monopoly man character,

1059
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: rapacious capitalists, private equity ghoul. And it was very effective,

1060
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: and I mean he's really never overcome that image of

1061
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: himself that was very carefully crafted by the Obama team.

1062
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: And the reason that it landed and it worked is

1063
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: because there was some there there, and because Mitt Romney's

1064
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: is very awkward character anyway, and you would say weird things,

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Speaker 1: you know, the trees of the right height and all

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00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff where you're like, you're not a

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00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: real normal human being, are you? And I think that

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00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: Fetterman is running a very similar playbook of I'm going

1069
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: to go up early. I'm going to define this guy

1070
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: before he has a chance to define himself to Pennsylvania voters.

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00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: And once that caricature lands and sticks, and again with Oz,

1072
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: there's enough there there that it's seems to be really sticking.

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00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: It can be very hard to overcome, especially when you

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00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: have in contrast Fetterman, who is a sort of great

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00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: political character and you know, has this great everyman vibe.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Look, it should have been an extraordinarily

1077
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: winnable race. If he does lose it, it's entirely his

1078
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: fault for doing that, for allowing himself to get defined.

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00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we have a long history of electing

1080
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: super rich people. Listen, I'm not saying it's a good thing.

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00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: But it's not like Mark Warner and all these other

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00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: people haven't faced similar attacks. Mark Moore is worth actually

1083
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: probably I think he's richer than doctor Ossa. It was

1084
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: always John Carried, but guess what, they all got elected,

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00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: so it's not like it can't be done. And if

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00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: it's not like they didn't face the attacks, just like that,

1087
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: he could very easily parry it with a modicum of

1088
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: political talent. Personally, I thought he would. It's not that

1089
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: hard to translate from the screen in the modern era.

1090
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: But he's flailing. He clearly is out of his depth.

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00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, I don't think he's used

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00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: to be intact. I think that a lot of these

1093
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: people are so used to being in the public spotlighteleby

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00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: celebrity kind of bubble. Yeah yeah, I mean, you're just

1095
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: not used to dealing in any sort of substances. He's

1096
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: probably on the back for the first time in his

1097
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: entire life. Is super rich, got nine mansions, you know,

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00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: it was a massive celebrity. He had a very high

1099
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: Q score in terms of his favorability ratings. Took some

1100
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: hits over the years for hawking diet pills and all

1101
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: that stuff. But he's just not used to being in

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00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: the arena. And I mean Fetterman to his credit, he's

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00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: an actual politician, came up through that world, ran a

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00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: great campaign against Connor. Lamb is using the same playbook,

1105
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: even though the guy is literally in the hospital. So

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00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: it's humiliating for doctor Oz. He needs to step it

1107
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: up and for right now in terms of how he's

1108
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: responded to this, it doesn't look good. At the same time,

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00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: what are all the caveats? National wins are almost determined.

1110
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: You know, things are probably only get worse for Joe Biden.

1111
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you

1112
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: should just run against him and OS could still win

1113
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: this thing. Yeah, some Republican consultant is going to come

1114
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: in and be like, here's how we're going to do things.

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00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: You just sit back and let us take it. Mitch

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00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: McConnell is not going to let whatever. He's not going

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00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: to let doctor Oz just sink to the bottom so quickly.

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00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania. He needs that seat, he needs to keep it.

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00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: They are going to throw everything they possibly can into

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00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: this thing, and so don't count anything out right now.

1121
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: And that's where things stand well because remember this is

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00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: one of the few pickup opportunities for Democrats. So if

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00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: Democrats win this seat, they can afford to lose one

1124
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: of the others that they have and still maintain control.

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00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: So this is a rare situation in this year for

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00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: Democrats where they have an opportunity for a pickup, and

1127
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: that would that would very much. That would really hurt

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Speaker 1: Republican chances, especially when you have, you know, other less

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00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: than amazing candidates and other situations across the country. The

1130
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: Republicans are doing their damnedest to try to keep the

1131
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: Senate in Democratic control. And I do think that what's

1132
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: happening in the House is another sort of stunning indictment

1133
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: of the poor quality of some of these candidates. Because

1134
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: in the House, where it's just the national wins, Republicans

1135
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: are poised to completely clean up. Let's go ahead and

1136
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So here's this is

1137
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: a tweet that says new Biden's nemic approval is weakening

1138
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: House Deems map even more than you thought Dems were

1139
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: on defense in at least thirty districts. Now Republicans are

1140
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: preparing to seriously contest a dozen more. Many of those

1141
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: districts are Biden plus nine or higher, meaning that Biden

1142
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: won these districts, oftentimes by double digits. They go into

1143
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: some of the polling here, which is just shows you

1144
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: how bad of a landscape this is for Democrats overall,

1145
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: and how in the House, where again it's much less

1146
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: about the individual candidates and much more about just how

1147
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: do people feel about the state of the country, And

1148
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: the answer is terrible, not good. How bad things look

1149
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: for the Democrats. So they say Biden is down fifteen

1150
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: points in a pro Democrats group's polling of a now

1151
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: open Oregon seat that he won by nine points in

1152
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. He's down sixteen points in a New Hampshire

1153
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: district that he had won by nine points He's down

1154
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: seventeen points in a recent Republican survey of a Minnesota

1155
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: seat that he carried by seven points four years ago.

1156
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: So you're talking about massive, like thirty point shifts towards

1157
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: Republicans that are putting seats into play that in their

1158
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: wildest dreams they wouldn't have thought would be feasible for

1159
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: them to win in this climate. So it really is

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00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: starting to be a story of two houses. Now. Listen,

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00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: I think you would still say Republicans are narrowly favored

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00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: to win the Senate as well. Ultimately, you know, this

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00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: polling is still early. Things could shake out just based

1164
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: on the national mood. You would still rather be a

1165
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: Republican running for Senate as well, but the House picture

1166
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: is really clear and Democrats are in for a very

1167
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: ugly No. Yeah, I likely way you put it, which

1168
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: is that the House is just much more of a

1169
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: referendum on the national mood. You know, House races never

1170
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: get the amount of interest that these Senate races are,

1171
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: and they're more dynamic, is more expensive. Your candidate quality

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00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: probably matters the most at the Senate level of any

1173
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: of the national elections. So gubernatorial and House Guberntroyal, you know,

1174
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: more so like the Senate, but House is just complete wins.

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: And with this, I mean the fact that they're contesting

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: in Biden plus nine districts. At the same time, I

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00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: think we should just be careful because what we've been

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: talking about are these wild swings in the Democrat generic

1179
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: ballot like we saw after Roe versus Way. To the

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: extent that the House Dems have any chance, it's in

1181
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: those states trying to run on that, trying to activate

1182
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: some sort of committed base in order to actually overcome

1183
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm gap, because that's just where the Republicans are

1184
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: cleaning up, not just on the generic ballot, but their

1185
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: base is ready to come out and vote against Biden.

1186
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: Independents are fed up, disgusted with Biden, disgusted with the

1187
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: lack of action. They have to be able to make

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00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: some sort of affirmative case the way they were in

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00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Sob women, you know, the people who had

1190
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: showed up in the past, who hated Donald Trump. They'd

1191
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: have to try and make the same sort of referendum.

1192
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: But it's just not working for them. And the Hispanic

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: areas in particular, what they point to. I mean, actually,

1194
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: the New York Times poll even showed this ye effective

1195
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: tie between Hispanics between Joe Biden and Trump. Imagine that

1196
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: that's crazy. If you look at men, it's actually probably

1197
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: higher for Trump, which they're able to do and if

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01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: they can capitalize on that. We'll talk about Jill Biden

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: later on this week, but her comparing Hispanics to breakfast

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01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: tacos as unique as breakfast tacos and not being able

1201
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: to pronounce bodega, which is crazy. I mean, I've never

1202
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: been in New York City before Bogada, Like what is happening? Listen?

1203
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: We could spend all day on that clip. But it's

1204
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: a big problem going into the House and Pelosi's day.

1205
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean, she already knows her days are numbered. I

1206
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: really don't know how they're going to handle them leadership

1207
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: next year, because they're gonna have to have a real

1208
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: Democratic leader who needs to make a case for why

1209
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: they should be speaker. I don't know. I don't know

1210
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: how that's going to work. I'm sure they're going to

1211
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: rig it, but it could be total chaos and actual

1212
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: election for it. I mean, it seems like she's setting

1213
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: up Hakeem Jeffries as her successor. That seems like everybody's

1214
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: more or less like planning on That's that's the direction

1215
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: that they are going to go in, And I can't

1216
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: see anybody on the left really rocking the boat there.

1217
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: They should, yeah, they should, Yeah, won't hold my bread there.

1218
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: I think some of your warnings, though, are well said

1219
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: in terms of not over interpreting Biden's low approval in

1220
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: some of these districts, because keep in mind, part of

1221
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: why Biden's numbers are so low is because of his

1222
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: erosion among the Democratic base. Those are not people who

1223
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: are going to come in and then vote for a Republican.

1224
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: Most likely, those are people who are incredibly dissatisfied with Biden,

1225
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: but they're still Democrats, and they may be exercised over abortion,

1226
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: they may be exercised over any number of issues. You know, Actually,

1227
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: gun rights has been at Gun control has been another

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01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: issue that has been in some poles even higher than

1229
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: abortion rights in terms of Democratic base sentiment and what

1230
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: they care about. So the fact that Biden has a

1231
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: super low approval rating and a district doesn't necessarily mean

1232
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: that all of the people who are unhappy with him

1233
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: are flipping to the Republican Party. So that's a word

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01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: of caution, but I do still think overall, I mean,

1235
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: this is a really ugly portrait for Americans. You just

1236
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: can't have it be the case, going back to the

1237
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: original polling that we were looking at here, that only

1238
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: thirteen percent of the country says we're on the right

1239
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: track and they return the party in power, you know,

1240
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: back into power. I just that's not a universe that

1241
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: is likely to occur. That is an extraordinarily unlikely state

1242
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: of affairs. So I think it is I think it

1243
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: is a real commentary on some of the extraordinary weakness

1244
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: of the Republican Canads that any of these Senate seats

1245
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: are even in play. And I think the size of

1246
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: the gap at the House level really shows you just

1247
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, how poorly they're doing by comparison at the

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01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Senate level, because I do think, you know, Republicans are

1249
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: in position to have it actually historic year in terms

1250
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: of winning seats at the House level if things do

1251
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: not shift. Let's start with the big, very bad inflation numbers.

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: Let's put the headline up on the screen here from

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01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Heather Long the Washington Post. You does it job just

1254
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: tracking the number she says, justin inflation is getting worse.

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: Inflation rows nine point one percent year over year in June.

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01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: That is the highest since nineteen eighty one, the year

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01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: of my birth, and the highest so far in the

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01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: pandemic period. Gas, rent, and food drove the increase. Gas

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: accounted for about fifty percent of the increase. Inflation was

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01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: up one point three percent just in the month of

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01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: June alone. Let's go ahead and put some of the

1262
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: specifics here. This next tweet up on the screen about

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01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: what categories we are seeing the highest inflation in this Again,

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01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: hoather Long says, inflation continues to hit hard. Groceries up

1265
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: twelve percent in the past year. That's the biggest annual

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01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: increase since nineteen seventy nine. Chicken up nineteen percent in

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01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: the past year. That's the biggest increase ever. Gas up

1268
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: sixty percent, biggest since nineteen eighty one. Electricity up fourteen percent,

1269
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: biggest since two thousand and six. Rent this is a

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01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: really critical one, up five point eight percent, biggest since

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01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. Little bit more on rent. Put the

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Speaker 1: next one up. Over the past three months, rents have

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01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: risen at an annual rate of eight point two percent.

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Speaker 1: Owner's equivalent rent rising at seven point three percent rate.

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Speaker 1: That's especially worrying because rents don't tend to turn around quickly.

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Speaker 1: And the part that is probably the most crucial point here,

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Speaker 1: let's put this a four up on the screen. Bottom line,

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Speaker 1: wages are up five point one percent in the past year.

1279
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: That sounds pretty good, but costs are up nine point

1280
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: one percent. That means you are getting a massive pay cut.

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Speaker 1: Gas prices have come down a little lately, she says,

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Speaker 1: which will help, but food, rent, electricity are showing few

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Speaker 1: signs of relief. We're going to get to the cope,

1284
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: the political cope from Biden and Pelosi in just a moment.

1285
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: But you know, there continues to be hope that all

1286
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: we're getting to the peak. Month after month after month

1287
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: we hear these sale we're at the worst of the

1288
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: crisis is behind us. But what's really troubling here is

1289
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: that even if you strip out the most volatile pieces,

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01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: which are like food and gas prices, what they call

1291
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: core inflation is still rising at a rapid pace that

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01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: would seem to indicate that we are not moving past

1293
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: the end of this crisis. And listen, I think everyone

1294
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: should have a lot of humility about predicting exactly how

1295
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: and what happens here, But there is no sign at

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01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: this point that, you know, the Fed's goal of reducing

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01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: inflation is working. The Fed's goal of hurting you is working.

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01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: But the Fed's goal of reducing inflation through the actions

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01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: that they're taking thus far, we're not seeing in the numbers. Yeah,

1300
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's any getting around it,

1301
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: and any of the structural issues that are affecting inflation

1302
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: are not being solved. So gas, I mean, you know,

1303
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: people are saying the administration we're about to get to

1304
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: is like championing the fact that gas is only for

1305
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: sixty a gallon. It's actually still near five here in DC. Okay, yeah,

1306
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say thirty cents a gallon reduction

1307
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: isn't a good thing, But that doesn't mean that it's

1308
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: it's still good. I mean, by the time before you

1309
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: Russia invaded Ukraine, I think it was a three fifty

1310
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: a gallon that was already high and a lot of

1311
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: people were complaining. So around the twos is where people

1312
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: feel comfortable as a consumer. So look, you're still over

1313
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on that on food, I mean, the

1314
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: food price problem continues to skyrocket. Also, the fertilizer issues

1315
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: and natural gas and more that we've been talking about.

1316
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: None of that is going away, and not just right now,

1317
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: for years and years because crop planning and others that people,

1318
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: farmers and others need to do in Europe and in

1319
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: the United States, all of those problems remain. On top

1320
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: of the supply chain issues. I mean, the port of

1321
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: Los Angeles continues to be a nightmare. It's not as

1322
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: bad as it was a year ago, but it's still

1323
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: not even close to twenty nineteen. And then you add

1324
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 1: on top of that the recessionary problems that we already

1325
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: have in the economy, where people just don't want to

1326
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: spend as much money, so you have a reduction in demand,

1327
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: You have the supply chain problems, and then you have

1328
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: the gas issue on top of the geopolitical risk situation.

1329
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: All of that just means that it's just not going

1330
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: to go away anytime soon. In addition to fuel, oil

1331
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: is probably the highest part of all of inflation that

1332
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: people are seeing at home. As I've talked about here

1333
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: at non, the energy crisis that we're all experiencing is

1334
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: going to continue, and as the country gets colder up

1335
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: into the winter, that's actually when I think we'll probably

1336
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: see some of the worst energy inflation. So gas may

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01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: come down to force something agallon just because of reduction

1338
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: in demand, But electricity prices are going to probably just

1339
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: replace and eat even more of people's incomes. So it's

1340
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: rough out there. Curate, it absolutely is. I read the

1341
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: New York Times analysis of these inflation numbers and what

1342
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: they mean and what might happen in the future, and

1343
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: their quote unquote like silver lining or hope of what

1344
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: might happen. They say there are some reasons that today's

1345
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: rapid price gains could abate based on economies fundamentals. For example,

1346
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: consumers might struggle to sustain their spending as prices jump.

1347
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: They move in with roommates, stop taking vacations, or pull

1348
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: back on social activities to save money. Supply could begin

1349
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: to catch up with demand, allowing price gains to decelerate.

1350
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: So they're hoping that people are hurting so badly that

1351
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: they're having to move in with roommates, cancel their social activities,

1352
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: cancel their vacation, stop driving. I mean that is the

1353
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: economic policy of this administration, and this is what the

1354
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: Republicans are offering as well. They have no actual solutions

1355
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: that would deal with the corporate price gouging, the supply

1356
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: chain issues, nothing that's going to get through Congress. The

1357
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: only thing that they can do is crush demand. And

1358
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: so that's what they're actually hoping for. I mean, how

1359
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: absolutely grim is that they are hoping that the American

1360
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: consumer is so badly hit that they have to pull

1361
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: back on their car trips, their road trips, their vacation,

1362
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: they're spending their meals out there, you know, moving in

1363
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: with roommates, all of these things. It really that it's

1364
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: just incredibly ugly. That is what our policy makers have

1365
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: resorted to. Housing is the one I'm probably the most

1366
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: worried about because you already pointed out eight percent on

1367
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: national average. Okay, you know that's national, but if we're

1368
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: talking metro area. So there's actually a story that just

1369
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: broke this morning. Manhattan rent has broken five thousand dollars

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01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: for the first time in New York City history. Five

1371
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for the average rent in the city. Oh

1372
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: insane on manhe Island. Okay, yeah, you can live in

1373
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: Brooklyn or is it going to be that much better

1374
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: in Queens and elsewhere, that stuff bleeds out because what

1375
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,879
Speaker 1: happens is, of course the ultra rich are not affected

1376
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: by this, and even the upper middle class broadly can

1377
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: afford it. I'm talking about this in my monologue. Only

1378
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: seventeen percent of white college educated voters say that the

1379
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: economy or inflation is their top issue in twenty twenty two.

1380
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: The fact is they can just absorb it, but everybody

1381
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: else has to deal with it. And so the trickle

1382
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: down effect of squeezing upper class and upper middle class

1383
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: people out of the housing market is just going to

1384
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: balloon the rent market even more, which is just going

1385
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: to force even more working class people, even middle class

1386
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 1: people honestly out into the you know, the real dregs

1387
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: of housing. So people are going to have to drive more,

1388
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 1: which means going to spend more gas, live in subpar conditions,

1389
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: thirty thirty five year olds living with roommates. I mean,

1390
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: this is this is not the way the country is

1391
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: designed to work. But effectively, that's the policy right now

1392
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: of the Federal Reserve is to push things in the

1393
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: direct And we are covering for either this weekend or

1394
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: for next week, a story about how any people are

1395
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: pulling out of their contracts when they're buying a home,

1396
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,839
Speaker 1: they put the house under contract, and then fifteen percent

1397
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: are now walking away and say, ah, we can't do

1398
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: this anymore because of inflation, because of you know, the

1399
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: way the prices have escalated, and specifically because of the

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01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: way that mortgage rates have dramatically spiked, I mean a

1401
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: huge historic spike in mortgage rates, which again that's the

1402
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: intent but the place. So you're not seeing the results

1403
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: of the FED policy in terms of inflation coming down,

1404
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: but you are seeing the FED policy in terms of

1405
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: regular consumers Americans being hurt and you know, increasingly struggling

1406
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: to be able to sort of move forward with their

1407
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: lives and especially things like being able to get into

1408
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 1: a house, which, as you said, that has a trickle

1409
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: down effect in terms of, Okay, if that person's not

1410
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: buying house, then they're in the rental market. Then someone

1411
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: who was already in the rental market, who was sort

1412
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: of struggling to hang on there, gets pushed down into homelessness.

1413
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: It's a really really bad downward spiral. So let's talk

1414
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: about what the politicians are said. Hang about all of this.

1415
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: President Biden let's go ahead and put a five up

1416
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: on the screen. He says, the CPI data is out

1417
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: of date because gas prices have fallen. Let me read

1418
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: this statement. He says, Well, today's headline inflation reading is

1419
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: unacceptably high. It is also out of date. Energy alone

1420
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: comprise nearly half of the monthly increase in inflation. Today's

1421
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: data does not reflect the full impact of nearly thirty

1422
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: days of decreases and gas prices that have reduced the

1423
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: price of the pump by about forty cents since mid June.

1424
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: Those savings are providing important breathing room for American families,

1425
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: and other commodities like wheat have fallen sharply since this report.

1426
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: It is a good thing that gas prices are going down,

1427
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,839
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. But as I was saying before,

1428
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: you know, if you look past the gas and food

1429
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: prices at core inflation, you still see these huge spics.

1430
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: So you know, in terms of really making a case

1431
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: that we're at the peak of the crisis and things

1432
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: are going to start to abate, that maybe that could

1433
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: be the case, but there isn't particularly evidence for that

1434
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: in this report. It is also just so stupid you're

1435
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: not supposed to celebrate four dollars and sixty cents a gallon.

1436
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we were sounding the alarm here on this

1437
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: show when gas was like four thirty a gallon. And

1438
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 1: just look, keep in mind what's happening on the west

1439
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: coast of this country. California is still five dollars and

1440
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: ninety cents a five ninety nine a gallon on average,

1441
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: which means in the city it's over six dollars a gallon. Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Alaska, Hawaii,

1442
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: and Illinois all still have five dollars a gallon. The

1443
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: national price, yeah, it's at four to sixty. Here in

1444
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: the Northeast it's well over four point fifty a gallon

1445
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: as well. So the only people who were actually seeing

1446
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: cheaper gas are the people who live near refineries in

1447
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: the South, like Texas is at about four dollars and

1448
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: thirteen cents. But I only you should celebrate the fact that,

1449
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: you know gas the cheapest gas in the country is

1450
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: like four dollars and eleven cents in the state of Georgia,

1451
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: where they've had to slash the gas price or gas

1452
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: tax and do all sorts of financial chicanery even to

1453
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: get there. This is not a victory. And yet at

1454
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: the same time, Nancy Pelosi, let's put up there on

1455
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: the screen. She says, I think we're peaking. I think

1456
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: we're going to be going down from here now. People

1457
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: pointed out Biden in December, so seven months ago, said

1458
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: that inflation had likely peaked. Also, I've learned from personal

1459
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: experience you shouldn't be getting into the prognostication game and

1460
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: you should just sit back and let it all work out.

1461
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: Just be like, what's going on here? Because all we

1462
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: can really understand is that inflation is out of control

1463
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: for a multitude and a variety of reasons, far longer

1464
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: lasting than anybody expected. And you should have a deep

1465
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: amount of humility if you're a policymaker. Let's throw that

1466
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: up there. The Biden comments specifically, I think it's the

1467
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: peak of the crime that was in December of twenty

1468
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: twenty one, back way before we hit forty year highs

1469
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: on inflator. If anything, inflation has at gotten worse in

1470
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: the last seven months. So when you consider the cope

1471
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: and the prognostication from these people, the issue I have

1472
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: too is that they're just constantly trying to gaslight the

1473
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: American people like Biden is trying to go out there

1474
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: and say, well, gas prices have come down every day

1475
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: for the last thirty days. Yeah, you're right, from five

1476
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: dollars a gallon nationally to four sixty, so forty cents

1477
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: a gallon to a still unmanageable price. That's not a victory.

1478
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: They're always trying to play games with the charts and

1479
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: by saying gas lighting people. This is the strongest labor

1480
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: market since World War Two, the strongest listen. As you

1481
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: pointed out on the wage thing, wages are up five,

1482
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: inflation is up nine, so that means people got a

1483
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 1: four percent cut. Yere. You know if you compared to

1484
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, people got even larger of a cut. So

1485
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Things are way too expensive? You know,

1486
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: I was looking people are paying like eight dollars for

1487
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: a dozen of eggs in some places in the cuntry.

1488
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean, eggs is one of the highest

1489
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: chicken as well. I was even seeing and this is

1490
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: really gross and dystopian. There are YouTube channels of like

1491
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: this old grandma called depression cooking, which is seeing a

1492
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: skyrocket number of views because people are buying whole chickens

1493
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: to learn how to like gross chicken stock, make their

1494
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: own taco see anything to costs at home, specifically moms,

1495
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, or people are going out and buying like

1496
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: costcover tisserie chickens and learning how to make a whole

1497
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: week's worth of meals out of those things. You know, Look,

1498
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm being frugal is fine, but it's more pointing to

1499
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: that's the economic reality. Yeah, people are pointing to people

1500
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: are looking at YouTube channels to try and save five

1501
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: dollars here, four dollars here, or whatever per day just

1502
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: because the price is so much higher. People's grocery bills

1503
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: up over one hundred percent in some cases. Yeah, I guess.

1504
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing that really irritates me, not

1505
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: just irritates, it really enrages me about the Biden response

1506
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: is his defenders, you know, would say, oh, well, back

1507
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: in December when he said he thought this was to

1508
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: peak this before Russia and be to Ukraine, and so

1509
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, this is out of our hands. What could

1510
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: we do completely ignoring the fact that we are playing

1511
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 1: a very active role in that crisis, that our posture

1512
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: and approach of keeping that war going indefinitely is creating

1513
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: massive inflationary pressures, not only for our own people but

1514
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: around the globe. And this is part of you know,

1515
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: we covered the crisis in Sri Lanka, which has myriad

1516
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: of causes, but one of them is skyrocketing food and

1517
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: fuel prices that are leading people to absolute desperation. And

1518
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: so inflation is high around the world. There are a

1519
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for that, but part of it is

1520
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: our response to the Russia's war in Ukraine and in

1521
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: particular the Russian oil bands. So to pretend like, oh,

1522
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. We're just going to sit

1523
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 1: back and hope that things get better from here, and

1524
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: hope the FED, you know, does their best to crush

1525
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: the consumers so that ultimately supplying demand can meet up again.

1526
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: Hope is not a strategy. And also that's the worst

1527
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: possible way and the most painful way that you could

1528
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: deal with inflation is by just depending on the FED.

1529
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to really stop thinking about this one.

1530
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: I know, we know the details. Of course, we've known

1531
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: them now for a while. The cops stood out there,

1532
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: did nothing the broad contours, but luckily some hero somewhere

1533
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: leaked the video, the full video of the officers and

1534
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: their engagement in Uvaldi in the classrooms. So let's go

1535
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 1: ahead and put this up there on the screen. Major

1536
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: props to the Austin American statesman. They got the video,

1537
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 1: they did an excellent job doing the analysis. They edited it.

1538
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the most haunting lines is they

1539
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: say that they edited out the screams of the children

1540
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: from the video so that none of us would have

1541
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: to hear it. And what they point to is just

1542
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,520
Speaker 1: a level of screwery inside which is difficult to comprehend.

1543
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: You can actually see the gunmen come in, You see

1544
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: a child actually peak his head around the corner, and

1545
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 1: you can immediately hear the gunshots. That's apparently where the

1546
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: screams were edited out. Then within a couple of minutes,

1547
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: you see three officers come in, come close to the door,

1548
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: get engaged, but immediately the moment they have fire, they

1549
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: all run back. From that moment forward for another seventy

1550
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: seven minutes, nobody goes inside, and we are talking about

1551
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: dozens of guys who are gathered within this around mill

1552
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: on their phones, literally on their phone, getting hand sanitized, bumping,

1553
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: getting hand sanitizer. It's difficult to describe how aimless, so many,

1554
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: so much of this looks. We have a video mash

1555
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: up here. Just look for if you know, if this

1556
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: is a sensitive thing or whatever, I recommend that you

1557
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: don't watch it. But for those who can stomach it,

1558
01:18:25,479 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: let's take a listen. So the reason that that matters

1559
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: is you can see clearly, I mean, ten minutes, eleven minutes,

1560
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: there were gunshots that were still being fired while these

1561
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: guys were standing out there. If you continue to watch,

1562
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, again, it's a seventy seven minute long video,

1563
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: but if you continue to watch, what you see is

1564
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: you got guys milling around. At the fifty six minute mark,

1565
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: they're like, we're going in. But if they don't go in,

1566
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: everybody's quote looking for the keys, even though the door

1567
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 1: wasn't locked, and also even you know, why didn't nobody

1568
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: has for the keys earlier? A colossal cluster, you know,

1569
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 1: the hand sanitizer thing we referenced. Just put this up

1570
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 1: there on the screen. I mean, just look at this

1571
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: guy and he's got a helmet on. You know, he's

1572
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: got his vest on, he's getting hand sanitizer. People were

1573
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: fist bumping people were checking their phones, people are text messaging,

1574
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: making phone calls. You can say which they have and

1575
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: blamed Pete Aredondo, who was the chief of police who

1576
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: made the call not to go in. You guys were

1577
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: all out there, and ultimately it was the border patrol

1578
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: guys at the end who were so disturbed that they

1579
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: even went in. Although to be fair, you know, you

1580
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: can see they were standing out there for a little

1581
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: while there, for a hour or two. Yeah, So like, look,

1582
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: it's not they're not. There's some heroes. I don't know

1583
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: who they are. I think the biggest one is probably

1584
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: the guy whose wife was I think he was killed

1585
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: and called him and was texting him from the room.

1586
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: He tried to go in. They literally held him back,

1587
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: stopped him. You can actually see some of that in

1588
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: the video too. So I don't know that that image

1589
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: with the guy in the hands and it just really

1590
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 1: sticks with me. You know, it's fifty so casual too.

1591
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 1: I mean they're all just so casual, like there's nothing

1592
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 1: going on, like this is no big deal, just hanging around,

1593
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: hanging around, and they're tough guy little outfits like they're

1594
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: badasses when they're two fucking cowards too. Cowardly to go

1595
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: in and rescue these kids. I mean, they they didn't

1596
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: have the kids' screens edited out in time. They heard that,

1597
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: they heard that gunfire in those classrooms where there are

1598
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: children and teachers, and they do nothing for so long.

1599
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: You know. One of the other things that really stood

1600
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: down to me is remember we were told, oh, they

1601
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: engaged the gunman, but they were wounded so they had

1602
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: to fall back. Oh were they really show me where's that?

1603
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: Where does that happen? I mean, it's that was a

1604
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: total lie in bullshit, and I knew that from the

1605
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: beginning because they wouldn't give us any details about like

1606
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: who was injured, how they were, how they were doing,

1607
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 1: were they in the hospital. Nothing. None of those police

1608
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: officers ended up going to the hospital because they none

1609
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: of them were injured. That was a total lie and

1610
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: part of their cover up as an excuse for why

1611
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: they did not ultimately go in. And to your point,

1612
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: you know, they all have wanted to scapegoat this one

1613
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 1: dude who definitely deserves a lot of blame, no doubt

1614
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: about it. But you had on the scene there that

1615
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: you see visibly in this video. You have the Evaldi

1616
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: Police Department the regular police department, you have the Uvaldi

1617
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: County Share Department, you have the Texas Department of Public Safety,

1618
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: you have Texas Rangers, you have US Border Patrol, and

1619
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: you have US Marshall Service. Show me in the video

1620
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,799
Speaker 1: where they're having to restrain these people from going it. No,

1621
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: they're not trying to go in. They're not like, oh

1622
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: my god, we want to go in, and this guy

1623
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: just won't let us know. They're all doing the same thing,

1624
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: which is absolutely nothing. So listen, as you said, we

1625
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: knew a lot of these details already, not because this

1626
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: is the story they told us, but it became blatantly

1627
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: obvious that they had just kind of hung around and

1628
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: hoped someone else would come in and do the hard

1629
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: work and do the scary thing that they didn't want

1630
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: to do. But to actually see the video and all

1631
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,759
Speaker 1: these guys and how casual they are as kids are

1632
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: bleeding out on the floor, you can't unsee it. You

1633
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: can't unsee it. I mean, the people who are the

1634
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: families here, they're so upset. A teacher who we've played

1635
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: video of him before, he just talks. He says he'll

1636
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: never forgive these cops, and he was sitting there and

1637
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: I want to address on other people were like, well,

1638
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of shots. Afterwards, people bled out

1639
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: in that classroom. You don't know how many people died.

1640
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: How many if you'd gone in there, you neutralize this

1641
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: guy within ten minutes, maybe you could have saved some lives.

1642
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people bled out. That's your

1643
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: blood loss. And anybody who's worked in the military first

1644
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: responder will tell you the first minutes are critical. So

1645
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: you let somebody just sit there, bleed out for over

1646
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 1: an hour, you're guaranteeing death. At the very least you

1647
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: can give some people, at least some people of fighting chance.

1648
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 1: And again that's just something that they are not They

1649
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: won't even acknowledge. And what's even what pisses me off

1650
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: even more, this mayor, this guy is a serious problem.

1651
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up there on the screen,

1652
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,919
Speaker 1: because he's been playing cover up from the very beginning.

1653
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: He went out and actually castigated the Austin American Statesman

1654
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: as quote chicken and unprofessional for releasing the video shoots

1655
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: footage before the families were able to see it first. Yeah, well,

1656
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: why didn't you show it to him? You know, it's

1657
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: been over a month and they've been asking for it

1658
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: from the very beginning. And this guy is very upset

1659
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: because Uvaldi police has been getting to blame. And actually,

1660
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: on this part, I will agree with him. He's like,

1661
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: it's not like the Texas Department of Public Safety doesn't

1662
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: have things to cover up too, And yeah, you're right,

1663
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, screw all of you. That's really what it

1664
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: comes down to. I was also reading about how there

1665
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: was a quote heated debate where Governor Abbott and others

1666
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: had wanted to release the video but didn't do anything

1667
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: about it. Now, look, maybe his office leaked it and

1668
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: they didn't want I don't know who leaked it. That

1669
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: being said, I think the governor and them should still

1670
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: be much more forward and I don't think it should

1671
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: come out this way. It shouldn't have to be leaked

1672
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: to the Austin American Statesment. Yeah, the governor and the

1673
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: Attorney General should come out and be like, hey, here's

1674
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: a video. Anybody in that video who has shown a

1675
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: dereliction of duty is hereby laid off fired by the

1676
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: State of Texas at the least the least. Yes, not,

1677
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, and you think about it, given the way

1678
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: laws are structured. It's not none of them are ever

1679
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: going to face any criminal penalty for what they did here,

1680
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: given the Supreme Court and ruling that police don't actually

1681
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: have a duty to protect you. But also, you know,

1682
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: none of them are really open to civilize either. I

1683
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: personally think they should be. I think this guy Ardando

1684
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: should be sued to high health for what he did

1685
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: again because at least you can tie back the decision

1686
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: making to him. But there are a lot of there

1687
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: are a lot of individual actors who made terrible, terrible,

1688
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: terrible decisions that day. I mean, at least we have

1689
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 1: the video, at least we can all see it. I

1690
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: think it's really disgusting that the mayor tried to like

1691
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Speaker 1: use the residence of like, oh how dare you release this?

1692
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: They wanted it? Yeah, of course a resident shot back

1693
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,440
Speaker 1: because he said, oh, these journalists are chicken and unprofessional

1694
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: for releasing the footage, and they said a residence shot

1695
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 1: back asking him he thought the cups wore chickens? How

1696
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: about that? So the residents, I'm sure feel that this

1697
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: has been a service that has done that gives the

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01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: public and gives them some at least answers about what

1699
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: actually happened, so to hide behind this, I mean, it's

1700
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: just total bullshit. It really has been a cover up

1701
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: at all levels they And by the way, there is

1702
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: still a lot of information that has not come out

1703
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: because they are blocking the release of the bodycam footage,

1704
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: any and all documents relevant to that day. At every level,

1705
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: from the county to the state, they are standing in

1706
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: the way of that information ultimately being released to the public.

1707
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: And at this point, I mean, the very least, given

1708
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: the colossal, what should be criminal failures that happened here,

1709
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: the very least they can do is provide these families

1710
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: with the truth of what unfolded on that day. And

1711
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: people who are relatives of the victims reacted and they're disgusted,

1712
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: they're horrified, and like, you know, this is the main thing.

1713
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: It's not just the Evaldi police. There were Feds there,

1714
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 1: board patrol, Texas rangers, US marshals, us Mark all of

1715
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: them should be dragged before I mean, look, can't somebody

1716
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 1: in Congress step up to you have subpoena power, that's true, Yeah,

1717
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: drag the rastions before Congress, make them, you know, make

1718
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: them testify or let them believe the fifth if they

1719
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: want to, but let people see it because the video

1720
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: I think should just be the starting point. I mean,

1721
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm not naive, and I think most of these guys

1722
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: will keep their jobs, which is honestly the most discussing

1723
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: part of this entire thing. Shall we check in with

1724
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: our friend John Bolton? Yes, do it? Former National Security

1725
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: advisor under Donald Trump. Also former UN Ambassador under President

1726
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: George W. Bush. So he's served in all sorts of

1727
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: Republican administrations, and he was recently on CNN with Jake

1728
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: Tapper and they were talking about whether Trump was really

1729
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: competent enough to plan and execute a coup. John Bolton

1730
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 1: had some interesting insight on this. Let's take a listen.

1731
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 1: With all due respect, one doesn't have to be brilliant

1732
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: to attempt a coup. I disagree with that as somebody

1733
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: who has helped plan coup d'eta not here but you

1734
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: know other places. It takes a lot of work, and

1735
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: that's not what he did. I'm sorry, come again. I

1736
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: mean not that any of us are surprised, but John

1737
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: Bolton has been involved in planning coups, but usually they

1738
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: try to keep that quiet here. He is just brazenly

1739
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: saying the quiet part out loud, just openly admitting to

1740
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: it casually like this is a perfectly fine and acceptable

1741
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: thing to cop tail. Well, yeah, it was completely nuts,

1742
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: and it's the reaction will get is really funny from

1743
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: the neo cons who still support Bolton. Yes, but it

1744
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: was one of those just absolute quiet part out louds.

1745
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: Maybe he was trying to be funny, but I don't

1746
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: think so. I think that there is some truths. He's

1747
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: got a long career assistant Secretary of State, and obviously

1748
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: he hasn't made his views private on this, and Jake

1749
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: Tapper actually continued to press him on this. Let's listen

1750
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: to that when we were talking about what is capable

1751
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: of what you need to do to be able to

1752
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: plan a coup, and you cited your expertise having planned coups.

1753
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the specifics, but successful coups. Well,

1754
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: I wrote about Venezuela in the book and it turned

1755
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: out not to be successful. Not that we had all

1756
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: that much to do with it, but I saw what

1757
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: it took for an opposition to try and overturn an

1758
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: illegally elected president, and they failed. The notion that Donald

1759
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: Trump was half as competent as the Venezuelan opposition is laughable.

1760
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: I feel like this other stuff you're not telling me, though,

1761
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm sure there is. Well, so that's actually

1762
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: interesting having lived through some of that. When I was

1763
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: covering the White House, they refused to say that it

1764
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: was a coup. If you remember that, and now here

1765
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 1: I is He's There was a lot there were people

1766
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: were like, well, hold on a second. Here, you know,

1767
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: you're recognizing some guy who is like the parliamentary leader

1768
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: as a leader of Venezuela, Like, what right do you

1769
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: have to do that? Whenever, clearly he doesn't have any

1770
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: position where he has any hope of actually becoming the

1771
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: product became a whole thing. I mean, that guy visited Washington,

1772
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: he was given like diplomatic recognition. It was totally I

1773
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: remember there was standing ovation for him and all the

1774
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: dureau government, by the way, didn't go anywhere, and now

1775
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: we need their oil. I don't know if people have

1776
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: checked that out. So it was anyway, I remember covering

1777
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: at the time and people were asking like, hey, is

1778
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: this a US coup? Dayton absolutely not. You know, we're

1779
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: representing the diplomatic or the democratic will of the Venezuelan

1780
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to claim Duro was democratically elected

1781
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: or wan God Okay, like the whole country is a

1782
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: complete mess. The whole point is that when you start

1783
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: trying to meddle in other countries like this specifically, it's

1784
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: really weird. Yeah, And that is to have him just

1785
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: say it out loud in that way and also just

1786
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: fully acknowledge is just it's crazy, right, because the mythology

1787
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: I think in America now is like, well, during the

1788
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: cold of course, you know, out of our we didn't

1789
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: really want to we're kind of forced arting we had

1790
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: to do these coups wasn't great to serve American interests

1791
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: read capitalist interests. But you know that passes all behind us.

1792
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: And here's John Bolten now right being like, yeah, cous Venezuela,

1793
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I remember, just a couple of years ago we were

1794
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: involved in that, which again at the time, there's no

1795
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: way they would have admitted to the fact that they

1796
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: were basically trying I mean not basically, they were literally

1797
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: trying to foment a coup in the country. Now in

1798
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: the modern era, and here's John Bolton just admitting it.

1799
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: On television. The response was equally revealing. Though, Let's go

1800
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: ahead and put up first. Of all, this is from

1801
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: put Up D three here. Uh, this is from someone

1802
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: who's Bronco Marcetic, who I think is a good and

1803
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: smart observery since I hope my American followers can understand

1804
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: how extreme and abnormal this is. I don't know any

1805
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: other country where a former official can just openly say

1806
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: this and then the journalists interviewing him simply nods along

1807
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: as if it's completely unremarkable. I mean, at least Tapper

1808
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: as a brain and is capable of like listening and

1809
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: then following up. But he kind of chuckled like this

1810
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: was some sort of a joke, like a ha ha,

1811
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 1: of course we do, couz. Yeah, there is no other

1812
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: nation on earth that would just outright admit to this

1813
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 1: casually like this is no big deal, and then everyone

1814
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: just goes on as usual. And I'm sure John Bolton

1815
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 1: would be back in a cable news green room next week.

1816
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Super weird. Yeah, and I also love, yeah, the January

1817
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: sixth thing, Oh that you know, you gotta put you

1818
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: gotta have hearings and all this on this They're like, oh, yeah,

1819
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: you know he was talking about Kho. It's like, well,

1820
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: hold on a second, because that was not byparison you

1821
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: or I was, but in practice, but Congress never voted

1822
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: on that. You know, people are supposed to have some

1823
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 1: sort of democratic input. Nobody wants to have hearing apparently.

1824
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: Just amazing to me. Which coup planners are, you know,

1825
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: pushed out and which are I have a little bit

1826
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: to say on that in my monologue as well.