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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in is DJ n V Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are to breakfast Club. We got a special guest

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Speaker 1: in the building. Yes, indeed we have the Governor, Gretchen Whitmer.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you, I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling. I'm feeling good, feeling good? Would

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Speaker 2: you like some tequila this morning? Are the two early?

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't good. Tequila's fine any time of day,

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Speaker 3: but I'm not going to start my day all that

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Speaker 3: way today.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she wants because she can't keep

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Speaker 1: it down. Since has that stuck with you your whole life?

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Speaker 1: Like that one story and everybody always talks about that

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Speaker 1: one thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, obviously what you're talking about is or

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Speaker 3: I drank too much when I was in high school

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Speaker 3: and you should have been drinking that at that young

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Speaker 3: age anyway. But I got caught drinking at a high

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Speaker 3: school football game. I was passed out. My principal came

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Speaker 3: upon me and I tossed my cookies on him, and uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, it was kind of a notorious thing at

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Speaker 3: the time. Everyone in school knew what happened. I got suspended,

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Speaker 3: I got in big trouble. My mother wanted to kill me.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I tell that story in my book

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Speaker 3: because it was that moment where I screwed up. But

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Speaker 3: I learned a lot and got my act together started,

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Speaker 3: you know, taking my academics more seriously. I had to

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Speaker 3: because I was at home for a month grounded. But

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah, we learned when we screw up. If

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Speaker 3: you're if you're a person who evolves and you've learned

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Speaker 3: from it, then screw ups have value, right, So got

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Speaker 3: my act together, went to MSU, got into law school,

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Speaker 3: and learned kind of a lesson that if you surround

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Speaker 3: yourself by great people, it helps you achieve what you

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Speaker 3: want to. You learn from smart people, and that's kind

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Speaker 3: of been a philosophy of my life, but also how

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Speaker 3: I've governed. And in the story, you know, in the book,

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Speaker 3: True Gretcha, I talk a lot about people like doctor

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Speaker 3: Joan A. Kalduton, who was my chief medical executive during COVID,

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Speaker 3: and I'm proud, you know, we've got one of the

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Speaker 3: most diverse cabinets in state history in Michigan. And when

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Speaker 3: you empower people and have real representation, empowered representation, you

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Speaker 3: can get a lot of good stuff done. And I

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Speaker 3: think that drinking story was maybe the beginning of my

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Speaker 3: learning that when you to surround yourself by good people.

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Speaker 1: As a mom, what do you tell your kids?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because your kids are going to make mistakes. Right, you

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Speaker 1: have two daughters, and all I would say if I

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Speaker 1: was your daughter's mom, what about you in high school?

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Speaker 1: So what do you tell your kids?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why I didn't tell them till after they

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Speaker 3: were out of high school. But you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're all human, and we got to see

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Speaker 3: the humanity in one another. We all fall short on occasion.

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Speaker 3: We got to hope that you learn from from those times.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what I've tried to instill in

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Speaker 3: my own kids. They've made their own mistakes. But you

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Speaker 3: know what, Fortunately for my generation, we didn't all have

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Speaker 3: cell phones, we weren't all recording as it wasn't something

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Speaker 3: that you had a receipt that you had to carry

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Speaker 3: with you the rest of your life. And that's one

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Speaker 3: of the things I tried to encourage my kids to,

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Speaker 3: you know, give other people grace, give yourself a little grace,

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Speaker 3: and put that damn phone down.

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Speaker 2: Only had two more questions about that topic. Number one,

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Speaker 2: what was you drinking as a teenager? Right? And did

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Speaker 2: you get suspended for actually drinking or throwing up on

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Speaker 2: the principal vodka?

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Speaker 3: It was vodka, it was easier to come by, and

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Speaker 3: the you know, I gouts suspended for drinking, okay, but

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Speaker 3: I'm sure throwing up didn't help my cause.

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Speaker 2: I also like, did you kept your book true gritch

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Speaker 2: what I've learned about life, leadership and everything between. I

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Speaker 2: like that you kept it short and it's the easy read.

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Speaker 2: Did you do that on purpose? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You know, Charlamagne, one of the things that I get

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Speaker 3: asked the most, whether I'm traveling across Michigan or outside

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Speaker 3: of Michigan, is how do I stay positive? You know?

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Speaker 3: I ran for reelection and a lot of people said,

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Speaker 3: why do you want to keep doing this? You know,

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Speaker 3: on my first term, I dealt with a pandemic, a

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Speaker 3: president who targeted me, plot to kidney and kill me,

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Speaker 3: twenty eight recall attempts, dealt with flooding in Midland that

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Speaker 3: my way, and it was an understandable question, you know,

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Speaker 3: rational people said, why do you want to keep doing this?

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Speaker 3: And so this book really is that. It is kind

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Speaker 3: of a handbook ten things I've learned in my life

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Speaker 3: at different times in my life that I have used

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Speaker 3: in situation that I've had to navigate as governor. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I want to give people maybe you can

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Speaker 3: get a laugh at my expense about the drinking or

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Speaker 3: knocking my teeth out. I talk about that in the

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Speaker 3: book too. Maybe there's a lesson that will give someone

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Speaker 3: some inspiration when they're navigating a hard time, whether it's

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Speaker 3: in the workplace or in their private life, or maybe

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Speaker 3: it's just a little light reading. And what I know

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Speaker 3: is a heavy time for a lot of folks, all

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Speaker 3: of us, right, And so that's really what it's about,

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Speaker 3: trying to put a little light out in the world

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Speaker 3: in a damn dark time.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a Judy Bloom book in a way.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means yet.

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Speaker 2: I'm a huge It just feels like a adult, adult

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Speaker 2: Judy Bloom book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice. That's a I'll take that as a

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Speaker 3: compliment because I think you know I'm Yeah, I'm a

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Speaker 3: real person. You know, I'm an ordinary person. I got

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Speaker 3: an extraordinary job, I'm serving an extraordinary time. But I

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Speaker 3: am a you know, I'm a human being too. I've

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Speaker 3: got my shortcomings, I've I've got things I've learned along

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Speaker 3: the way, and there's something that that I can share

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Speaker 3: that might give help someone. That's really what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: Why would you ever release a book during a presidential election.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be a very awkward time, especially now

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Speaker 2: with everybody talking about wanting Biden to step down, have

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Speaker 2: to be a very awquet time.

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously, when you write a book, you have no

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Speaker 3: idea what is going to be happening by the time

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Speaker 3: that book comes out.

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Speaker 2: You know it's gonna be a psidential election.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. I did, And that's why I wrote

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Speaker 3: it because I knew this was going to be heavy time.

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Speaker 3: I knew it was gonna be hard. You knew the

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Speaker 3: matchup was going to be Donald Trump and Joe Biden again,

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Speaker 3: and I thought, you know, people are going to want

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Speaker 3: some some encouragement, and that's what I what I try

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Speaker 1: Did you did you speak Biden before his debate? Right,

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Speaker 1: because you talk about your previous debates and how you were,

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Speaker 1: you were loose, you were people looked at you as

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Speaker 1: an ordinary person. They felt relatable. But I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: people don't see that with Biden. Did you have those

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Speaker 1: conversations with him to be like, loosen up a little

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Speaker 1: bit or did you have those conversations any pep talks.

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Speaker 3: I didn't, and you know, in retrospect, maybe you know

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Speaker 3: that was a missed opportunity on my part. I tell

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Speaker 3: the story in the book. You know, I was running

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Speaker 3: for governor the first time in two thousand and we

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Speaker 3: I've traveled all across the state. I was getting ready

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Speaker 3: for my first debate. Emily's List, you know, a great

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Speaker 3: organization that helps women candidates, sent a debate coach to

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Speaker 3: come talk with me. And the debate coach, I'm always

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Speaker 3: interested in learning more, how can I do better? He

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Speaker 3: it was a man, which kind of ironic, right, your

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Speaker 3: Emily's List, those organization sending a man and give me tips.

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Speaker 3: But you know, he gave me a lot of good,

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Speaker 3: good pointers. But one of the things he said was

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Speaker 3: the happy warrior wins every debate. Whoever looks like they're

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Speaker 3: having the most on is the winner, no matter what

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Speaker 3: people say. And I thought it was interesting. And his

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Speaker 3: tip was, you know, go in and remember to be

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Speaker 3: the happy warrior. So as soon as you get to

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Speaker 3: your podium, put a happy face on top of your papers.

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Speaker 3: And anyone who's ever been told to smile knows it

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Speaker 3: has the opposite effect. You tell me to smile, it

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Speaker 3: pisses me off. I'm not going to smile. So I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I'm never going to write a happy a smiley face

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Speaker 3: put me in the happy warrior frame of mind? So

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks before the first debate, we went

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Speaker 3: to go see Kevin Hart at LCA in downtown Detroit

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Speaker 3: and he had a number of folks to open up

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Speaker 3: for him, and niam Lynn gave this great be this

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Speaker 3: great observation that women are a lot more bold today

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Speaker 3: if a woman was menstruating, she'd be real shy about

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Speaker 3: want to come over and get together, and she'd say, oh,

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Speaker 3: didn't want to say it, but just wanted to communicate it.

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Speaker 3: He said, today when you say I'm want to come

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Speaker 3: woman said you're not coming over. It's shark week, motherfucker.

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Speaker 3: And I thought that the funniest. I mean, I laughed

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Speaker 3: was all buttoned up and he said, oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm Bill Shooty on duty. And I said, welcome to

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Speaker 3: Shark week, you know. And it just kept me loose

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Speaker 3: and happy. And I got caught on a hot mic

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Speaker 3: mouthing the word motherfucker. And it was during the Democratic

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Speaker 3: National Convention, and I was just off beside myself that

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Speaker 3: someone sent out that footage because it was virtual.

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Speaker 2: Like I always wonder how much prep is too much

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Speaker 2: prepp because I always say, the language of politics today,

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Speaker 2: so if that is how you talk, why can you

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Speaker 2: not communicate like that? Because that's how most of America.

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Speaker 3: Speaks I think you're right. I think you're right, and

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Speaker 3: so like my first and my initial reaction was, oh man,

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Speaker 3: this came out and it'll it'll.

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Speaker 2: You didn't say oh man, you said oh shit.

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Speaker 3: I did. Oh shit. I came out and you know,

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Speaker 3: this is what people are gonna focus on instead of

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Speaker 3: what I said. And it worked hard on that speech.

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Speaker 3: I wanted people to hear what I said, and I thought,

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Speaker 3: oh geez. But we embraced it. And you know what

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Speaker 3: people did too. People started showing up. They make candles

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Speaker 3: that say sharkly, motherfucker, They got t shirts, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I thought, you're right, this is how people talk.

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Speaker 3: It resonated with people and it turned out to be

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Speaker 3: a really funny episode. And that's maybe the lesson, Right,

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Speaker 3: you got to be the happy warrior.

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Speaker 1: Why do politicians try to be so perfect or try

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Speaker 1: to look so perfect? Right, the world is not perfect,

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Speaker 1: nobody's ever perfect, but it you try to be perfect

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Speaker 1: and then something comes out that shows that they're not.

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Speaker 1: Well yourself. You talk about everything in the book, from

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Speaker 3: the policy in Michigan. And you know, declaring racism of

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Speaker 3: public health crisis, making sure that our racial disparities work

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Speaker 3: wasn't confined into a pandemic because it existed before the

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Speaker 3: pandemic and obviously can exist to this day. But I

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Speaker 3: think we're making strides on it, and she and the

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Speaker 3: Lieutenant Governor have been key leaders in that effort in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Is the unconscious bias training is something that's going to

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Speaker 2: transcend past healthcare because I feel like that should be

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Speaker 2: in law enforcement, that should be in the banking system.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that should be in schooling. I feel

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Speaker 2: like that should be in so many different spaces.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we require all state employees to go through it.

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Speaker 3: So whether you're working with people in the healthcare space

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Speaker 3: or in law enforcement or anywhere for that matter, it's

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Speaker 3: important to recognize we all bring bias like we are

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Speaker 3: lived where human beings with lived experiences that informed how

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Speaker 3: we act. If we're cognizant of it, we can do better.

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Speaker 3: But if we're not talking about it, not thinking about it,

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Speaker 3: not examining it, we aren't going to change anything. And

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Speaker 3: so that training, I think is really important. I went

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Speaker 3: through the training just like everyone on my staff and

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Speaker 3: throughout state government did, and I think more workplaces should

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Speaker 3: require it because it's just an honest assessment of who

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Speaker 3: we are and it's how we grow. And I like

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Speaker 3: to think most people want to do better, but we

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Speaker 3: can't expect them to do better if they don't know better.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And it's another thing that you do to

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Speaker 2: I like and Governor Shapiro has a version of it

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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. But it's the Clean Slate Bill and the

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Speaker 2: Clean Slate for Kids that that you signed. What is

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Speaker 2: that about.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you one of the things. One of the

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Speaker 3: days that if you need no I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: But one of the days that I think will live

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Speaker 3: with me for the rest of my life was, you know,

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Speaker 3: we changed the laws in Michigan so that people can

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Speaker 3: get their records xpunch. We made sure that people that were,

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Speaker 3: you know, sentenced and did time for marijuana offenses don't

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Speaker 3: have that on their record anymore. It's not legal in Michigan,

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Speaker 3: so you shouldn't have to carry that with you. And

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Speaker 3: so we had a huge expungement fair in Flint. Actually

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Speaker 3: we're talking a lot about Flint today, but this was

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Speaker 3: in Flint, and the Lieutenant Governor and I were there.

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Speaker 3: The Secretary of State was helping people get registered to vote.

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Speaker 3: There's a common misconception that if you have a record,

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Speaker 3: you can't vote. Well, you sure as can. And we

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Speaker 3: register people when they're leaving prison now to make sure

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Speaker 3: that they are voting. And the Attorney General was there

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Speaker 3: so we can help people with paperwork to get all

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Speaker 3: the records expunged. We had a thousand people show up

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Speaker 3: before eight o'clock in the morning who were excited about

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Speaker 3: this giving them an opportunity to get into a better

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Speaker 3: job because of this old thing on the record was

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Speaker 3: keeping them from getting gainfully employed or get housing. And

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Speaker 3: so we've made we've made big strides. There's always more

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Speaker 3: work to do, but our bail reform, you're not sitting

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Speaker 3: in jail because you don't have someone in your pocket

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Speaker 3: for a you know, a civil infraction. We've we've made

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Speaker 3: a lot of great policy changes and we've helped a

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Speaker 3: lot of people, you know, get another opportunity, which is

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Speaker 3: everyone deserves that.

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Speaker 2: Why are people going further on the marijuana thing? Like

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Speaker 2: I saw I read that you were considering pardoning a

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Speaker 2: lot of non violent marijuana offenders. We saw what Wes more.

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Speaker 2: Just did you know in Maryland when it comes to

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Speaker 2: misdemeana convictions, weed is legal in Michigan, So it seems

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Speaker 2: like a no brain that had just pardoned all non

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Speaker 2: violent marijuana offenders.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, it's it's every state has a little different

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Speaker 3: requirements to get it done. So, Wes, did you know

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Speaker 3: a wonderful thing. I was really happy to see am

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Speaker 3: use those powers. I don't have those kind of sweeping powers.

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Speaker 3: So we've done it. We've gone through and done it.

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Speaker 3: You know, so many cases we've been able to move through,

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Speaker 3: but we can't do it end mass like that. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: who the power? It just depends on the state. You know,

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Speaker 3: different states have different executive authorities and powers.

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Speaker 2: I saw you say that governors are a competitive bunch. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you talked about Governor Newsom in the book. Like

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Speaker 2: what did you mean by that? Because then and the

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Speaker 2: reference the example you used with something in regard to

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Speaker 2: social distance, and I don't want to tell the whole story,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, like, what did you mean y'all a competitive book?

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Speaker 3: Oh? No, you know, I think governors are the best

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Speaker 3: salespeople for their states. I got to see Jay Insley

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Speaker 3: talk about how great the state of Washington. Is when

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Speaker 3: I was running for governor, I thought, oh, yeah, this

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Speaker 3: is gonna be the job is. I'm going to be

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Speaker 3: the promoter of all of Michigan for the world. Right,

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Speaker 3: So we're we are a competitive bunch, you know. In

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Speaker 3: the book, I talk a little bit about, you know,

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Speaker 3: some ways that you know, we're all human, right, and

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Speaker 3: when we make a mistake, we should own it. And

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Speaker 3: I was praising Gavin Newsom for owning a mistake that

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Speaker 3: he'd made. I'd made a very similar one, and so

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Speaker 3: that was an example. You know. I think Newsom is

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Speaker 3: a phenomenal leader. I think we're really lucky that we

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Speaker 3: got so many great Democratic leaders across this country. Right now.

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Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about Wes Moore. I know

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Speaker 3: you had Josh Shapiro in here recently. He's fantastic, more

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Speaker 3: a heally from Massachusetts. I mean, we got leaders all

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Speaker 3: across the state. Tim Walls from Minnesota. He swears even

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Speaker 3: more than we do, so you should have. But you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a really incredible bunch of people. And

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Speaker 3: I've learned so much from my colleagues, and we've helped

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Speaker 3: one another, and and I think you know, there's a

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Speaker 3: real great crop of leaders right now.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me ask a question. I know you had

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Speaker 1: it to promote your book, but I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: you a question. A lot of people are not necessarily

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Speaker 1: confident in Joe Biden right now. They don't know if

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Speaker 1: they should go out and vote at all. Maybe they're

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Speaker 1: looking people are thinking right now, maybe it's the lesser

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Speaker 1: of two evils. What do you say to those individuals

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Speaker 1: that are not a thousand percent confident and Biden. Maybe

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Speaker 1: think Biden is too old, maybe think that he doesn't

548
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Speaker 1: has early signs of dementia.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to those people?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with us. You know, we all watch

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Speaker 3: that debate and you know it was bad. I mean

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Speaker 3: that's an understatement.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was really bad, horrible, and it shook a lot

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Speaker 3: of people. And people are asking questions. And you know what,

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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. You should ask questions.

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Speaker 3: You should demand that your leaders are up to the job.

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Speaker 3: I believe that Joe Biden is. And I tell you

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Speaker 3: I went to the White House with a number of

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Speaker 3: my colleagues, Gavin and Josh included and West as well,

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Speaker 3: and we had to sit down with the president. There's

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Speaker 3: no question in my mind that he's ready to take

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Speaker 3: this on. I had a conversation with him all of

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Speaker 3: our co chairs last weekend, same thing. He's a fighter,

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Speaker 3: he's ready to go. He had a bad night, He'll

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Speaker 3: be the first to admit it. It was terrible. Yet

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Speaker 3: here we are. We've got a choice between an affirmative

568
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Speaker 3: vote for Joe Biden or anything else is a vote

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Speaker 3: for Donald Trump, and a second Trump presidency will be devastating.

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Speaker 3: Second Trump presidency will take us further down the line

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Speaker 3: of taking away individual rights of a worse and more

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Speaker 3: intelerant nation with bigger discrepancies and income. I think that

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Speaker 3: it's a dangerous prospect. Joe Biden wants to continue the

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Speaker 3: work he's made record investments in on shoring, manufacturing, and

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Speaker 3: the growth that we're seeing in our supply chains. We're stronger,

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Speaker 3: We're getting stronger every day. That all can be undone.

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Speaker 3: We got a president who's going to fight for every

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Speaker 3: one of us black community, the brown community, women, and

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Speaker 3: our rights. I think that he's got a record of

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Speaker 3: doing that and he's going to continue to do it

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Speaker 3: for the next four years. And that's why I'm on

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Speaker 3: wavering in my support of Joe Biden Kamala Harris. I

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Speaker 3: think that they are great leaders who are fortunate to

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Speaker 3: have them. They've got the receipts and they got a

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Speaker 3: plan for the next four years. The other guy represents

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Speaker 3: a real, clear and present danger. You know.

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Speaker 2: Chapter four is surround yourself with great people. Don't be

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Speaker 2: afraid to ask for help. You know, when you think

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Speaker 2: about the sarrogance, like yourself, the wes Moores, Governor, Shapiro's

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Speaker 2: vice president. I rock with all of them. Right. Is

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Speaker 2: President Biden the kind of leader that will ask y'all

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Speaker 2: for help? Yes?

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Speaker 3: And you know what I think. Another thing to remember

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Speaker 3: is during the Trump years, remember his cabinet, it was

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Speaker 3: a bunch of cronies and crooks. These are people that were,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think, not experts in the fields in

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Speaker 3: which they were hired. I can talk about the Department

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Speaker 3: Education because Betsy Deboss is from Michigan. Biden, on the

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Speaker 3: other hand, has got a diverse cabinet that is incredibly

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Speaker 3: skilled that he leans on. You got Gina Rimondo and

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Speaker 3: Pete boota judge, and Tom vill said, he's got Cedric Richmond,

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Speaker 3: you know, very much a big part of of his operation,

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Speaker 3: and obviously the vice president. He surrounds himself with quality

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Speaker 3: people who are doing the work and showing up and

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Speaker 3: actually care about the American people. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: a real fundamental difference here. So yeah, he does listen,

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Speaker 3: He asks questions. He says, you know, give me some advice.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we've been pretty pretty frank, had some

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Speaker 3: pretty frank conversations about giving some some input.

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Speaker 2: You think he's the Secretary of p too, because he

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Speaker 2: comes to the base, comes some time all the time.

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Speaker 2: And I often feel like y'all should be offended. And

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Speaker 2: the reason I say y'all should be offended because people

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Speaker 2: will say, is this the best America has to offer?

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Speaker 2: Is this the best the Democratic Party has to offer?

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Speaker 2: In Biden? And it does kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: make yourself and the the Wes Moorees and the Shapiros

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Speaker 2: and the Buddhajas and the VP look like damn aren't

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Speaker 2: they're they're all better to me than you know, the

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Speaker 2: current leader of the of the party.

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Speaker 3: Well, all these people you're gonna we're gonna to see

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Speaker 3: do incredible things for the short term and the long term.

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Speaker 3: So we're fortunate that one. You know, I understand that sentiment.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I got kids, they're twenty two and

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Speaker 3: twenty and they're you know, they're not as excited as I,

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Speaker 3: you know, would love for them to be. And yet

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Speaker 3: I know they're going to vote because they understand their

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Speaker 3: rights to make their own decisions about their bodies, their

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Speaker 3: ability to get housing after they graduate from college and

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Speaker 3: try to get you know, an affordable place to live

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Speaker 3: that is on their minds. Their ability to you know,

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Speaker 3: live a long life in a climate that can sustain humanity. Right.

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Speaker 3: Gun violence. This generation has grown up doing mass shooting drills.

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Speaker 3: We can't even we can't even appreciate what kind of

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Speaker 3: trauma that's inflicted on this generation. They are engaged in

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Speaker 3: a way that we weren't, and so the fact that

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Speaker 3: there may be don't Joe Biden doesn't resonate as well

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Speaker 3: with every one of you know, every voter that's out there.

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Speaker 3: I think that every voter can see a voice, a

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Speaker 3: person that is a part of this effort that does though,

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Speaker 3: and I think that that kind of Avenger style campaign

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Speaker 3: and leadership has got to be a part of how

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Speaker 3: we go forward.

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Speaker 2: I've been saying that I don't want it. I would

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Speaker 2: rather see his sarrogates out there.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to see him debate again? Do you

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Speaker 1: think he should debate again?

648
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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I it doesn't seem as

649
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: though people go into debates with open minds these days.

650
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: I do agree with you that, you know, having surrogates

651
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: out there is powerful and incredibly helpful. And I know,

652
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of my colleagues and standard bears

653
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: for the party are going to be descending into Michigan.

654
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: And I'm excited about that because I want people to see,

655
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: you know, I want people to get to know, you know,

656
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: all of all of these leaders that are doing the

657
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: work and that are part of the work that President

658
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 3: Biden has gotten done. I want them to hear from

659
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: them too.

660
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: But why lie to American people? And what I mean

661
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: by that is, like, you know, Joe Stephanopolis just got

662
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: caught saying he doesn't feel like he can serve another

663
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: for is President Biden. So even if that is people's

664
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, sentiment, why not say, hey, this is why

665
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: you still vote for him? Like, why can't we have

666
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: that conversation?

667
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was not happy to see those comments, obviously,

668
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: I disagree with George, and I have a great deal

669
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: of respect for him, but I disagree with him, And

670
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: you know, I challenge anyone who's out there opining about

671
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: someone's health. Oh my lord, we've spent two weeks litigating

672
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: the ninety minutes, the bad ninety minutes of Joe Biden,

673
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: and not enough time litigating the four horrific years of

674
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Let's be clear, this is a choice between

675
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: two people. Yes, there are some third party candidates, but

676
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: you vote for one of them that is helping Donald Trump.

677
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: And so anything short of an affirmative vote for Biden

678
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: is a vote for Trump. And I think whether it's

679
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: because you're appalled at that possibility, or you're confident and

680
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: have faith in in President Biden and Kamala Harris. And

681
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: let's be clear, that's why we have a team. In

682
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: case one person can't do the job, you got to

683
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: back up. That's what the vice presidency is all about.

684
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: And she's incredibly capable. This is not the time to

685
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: keep bringing our hands. We got to roll up our

686
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: sleeves because we got a lot of work to do.

687
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: You think people should challenge him at the convention coming up?

688
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't.

689
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't. You know, I respect that there are different opinions,

690
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: but I don't. I think right now we know what

691
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: the matchup is.

692
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: We keep asking for it. What last year he said

693
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: there's about fifty other Democrats who could beat Trump. Last

694
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: week he goes, you know, hey, conn Yeah, he's asking

695
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: for it.

696
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to see him show a little swagger, frankly,

697
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: but by the same token. You know, this isn't fantasy football.

698
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: We are beyond the primaries and we are beyond the caucuses.

699
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: The matchup is set, and the only person that changes

700
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: that matchup is Joe Biden. He's made his decision, he's

701
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: communicated it.

702
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: So let's go you know, just about mission. Because it's

703
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: a huge battleground state. Over one hundred thousand primary voters

704
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: cast uncommitted votes back in February because of the Bidens

705
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: administration's funding of the Israel military and the war on Palestine.

706
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: Does that concern you about how Michigan will turn out

707
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: in November?

708
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it does. You know, the great story

709
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: of Michigan is that we are the place people came

710
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: to from around the world for opportunity, and because of that,

711
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: we got a richly diverse population, right People came from

712
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: the South for a job on the line. People came

713
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: from Lebanon for a job on the line. People came

714
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: from Holland for a job in you know, the muckfields

715
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: on the west side of the state, or from Finland

716
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: for a job in mining in the Upper Peninsula. I mean,

717
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: we're a very diverse state and it's a great strength.

718
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: It also is made up of communities. All of these

719
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: communities that I've been able to count on as a

720
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: part of the coalition that's always supported my candidacy for office,

721
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: and I'm grateful for that. Everyone's hurting right now. That's

722
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: the only universal truth. You know. Our Jewish community is

723
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: in pain. We've seen the rise of anti Semitism, the

724
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: horrors of October seventh, the hostages that still haven't been released,

725
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: my Arab American and Muslim community, and Palestinian community, and

726
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: it's important to single them all out because it's not monolithic.

727
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: They are different communities within within one larger community. They're

728
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: hurting because they see the loss of innocent lives every

729
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: single day playing out. There's so many people in Michigan

730
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: that are one degree or two degrees of separation from

731
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: someone who's lost their life in this altercation or someone

732
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: who's starving right now. And so I think part of

733
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 3: the one of the lessons in my book is about

734
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: the power of listening. We got to show up and listen.

735
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: We've got to show people that we care. Staying close

736
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: to my Arab American community, staying close with my Jewish community,

737
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: it is really important. And recognizing the pain that everyone's

738
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: feeling is as well. But I also want to be

739
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: clear that Donald Trump presidency eight sure is hell ain't

740
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: going to fix what's going on in the Middle East.

741
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: I mean it could measurably make it worse. You hear

742
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: some of the crazy things that he has said, some

743
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: of what his supporters have said. You think we want

744
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: a two state solution where we everyone can have a

745
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: safe homeland. That's not something that he's promoting. And I

746
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: think it will make it measurably worse. And that's why,

747
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: you know, I understand the pain and that people are

748
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: feeling checked out and unheard. That's why the listening part

749
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: is so important. That's why I say listening is a

750
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: superpower in my book, and I think that's something that

751
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: Biden does better than Trump does. He's an empathetic guy

752
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: who actually cares about people.

753
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: What would your message be to the Muslim Arab community

754
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: in Michigan in regard to the supporting President Biden come November.

755
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: Because you know, fifty thousand, you know, innocent people killed.

756
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: It is tough to see.

757
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, no, it's it's horrific.

758
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: Women and children.

759
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, man too. You know, I know everyone posts the

760
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: women and children, but there are a lot of isn't

761
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 3: men's who've lost their lives too. I mean, it is horrific.

762
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: And yet if we want to have a leader of

763
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: the free world who sees that, who cares about leading

764
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: for a two state solution, who's never going to campaign

765
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: on like a Muslim band or child separation at the

766
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: border for Brown families coming into this country. I mean

767
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: that's Joe Biden. There's no question who the better leader

768
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: is on all of these issues, and it's Joe Biden.

769
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: You know, chapter nine, you talk about owning your screw

770
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: ups and forgiving others for theirs, And I read where

771
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: you wanted to actually meet with someone from the far

772
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 2: right militia that applotted the kidnap and assassinate you. Yeah,

773
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: I don't know if my forgiveness works, then wouldn't want

774
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: to have that conversation was, well.

775
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: You know you hope to gain When I wrote that,

776
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know it would get such strong reaction, but

777
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: it has, so you're in the majority.

778
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I could and you know you can kill you.

779
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: What do you hope to gain from?

780
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: There were twelve to fourteen guys who were out there

781
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: planning for months to kidnap and then hold a sham

782
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: trial and execute me. That was their plan, and they

783
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 3: had a kill house. They went through all these exercises

784
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: to practice that. Text messages are horrific. Fortunately, law enforcement,

785
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: you know, had infiltrated, they had an informer, and they

786
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: were able to keep it from happening, and I'm grateful

787
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: for that.

788
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: Did they tell you early on that this was happening?

789
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: Did you know through the whole process or not through

790
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 3: the whole process? But I knew a few months before

791
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: it became public. The head of my security details sat

792
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: down with me. I talked a little bit about it

793
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 3: in the book and shared it with me, and someone was,

794
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, give me a hard time because they said, oh,

795
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 3: you know the way you told your kids. He said, oh,

796
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: by the way, there's a plot to kidnap and kill me.

797
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: But it's okay, We're going to be fine, you know,

798
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, it like that and very I don't know,

799
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: practical or strange, but whatever, you know, I want to

800
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: understand what happened. It is not a rational thing that

801
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: you pick up guns and want to assassinate a sitting

802
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: governor because she told you wear a mask. That's not rational.

803
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: That did not happen all over the country. It happened

804
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: in this unique circumstances. Why I would like to understand.

805
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: So I'd love to, you know, have the chance to

806
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: sit down maybe with one of the people that cooperated

807
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: with the government and testified against their fellow plotters.

808
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: That's fine.

809
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 3: Well, I'm grateful that there were a couple of snitches,

810
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, like to just sit down and ask, you know,

811
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: what was going on here and show I'm a human being.

812
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a normal person. I'm doing. I'm an

813
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: ordinary person, an extraordinary job serving in a crazy time.

814
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 3: But I'd like to understand and if I can learn

815
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: something that will make me a better human or a

816
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 3: better governor than it's worth doing.

817
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: Have you forgiven them yet?

818
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

819
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?

820
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: Wow?

821
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: How does the forgiveness thing work in regard to like

822
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: politicians like can you can you forgive Trump for leading

823
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: an attempted cooled his country? Can you give the Supreme

824
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: Court for a boxing Roe v. Wade? Like that is

825
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: the forgiveness work that way too? Well?

826
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: I think if if you own it, yeah, I think

827
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: if you say you know, you have, you have learned,

828
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: or you regret, then yeah, I think it is you

829
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: can forgive if.

830
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: You're fighting actively against it.

831
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: Though, well he hasn't owned it, and he hasn't you know,

832
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: they're trying to spin it as though it was a

833
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: harmless group of tourists. They're trying to spend as you know,

834
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: the people that were tearing down our capital and we're,

835
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: you know, are the reason that people officers have lost

836
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: their lives. Were patriots doing this. That's what they're trying

837
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: to tell us, Like, don't believe you're lying eyes you know,

838
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: we this was a peaceful group Bologney, And so I

839
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: don't forgive that. I'm mad about that still because that

840
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: was a horrific thing to see. I sat there with

841
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: my daughters watching this play out in the United States

842
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: Capitol and everyone was so shocked. And I thought, if

843
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: you're shocked, you weren't paying attention to what was going on.

844
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: In Michigan. We saw the early signs of this with

845
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: people showing up with guns, standing over our legislature and

846
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: sitting outside my house with AR fifteen. It's threatening to

847
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: kill me. I mean, this is a part of the

848
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: rhetoric that Donald Trump has made so common and the

849
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: reaction that is predictable because of what he's done. And

850
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: he's showed no remorse for that, not even an understanding

851
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: of how serious that was. And that's why I think

852
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: you see so many people who used to call themselves

853
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: Republicans are looking at him, going I can't do it.

854
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: But there still are a lot of people are going

855
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: to support him. And I don't forgive him for that.

856
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because you're a woman, Because there

857
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: are a lot of governance that said you have to

858
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: wear masks. There's a lot of people that came out

859
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: and said that you have to wear masks, But none

860
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: of them I can recall, had plots on their life

861
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: for kidnapping and killing.

862
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know I was. I convened a group

863
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: of governors during COVID to kind of share what we

864
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: were seeing help one another when we could. It was

865
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: the Midwest governors. Tim Wallas from Minnesota, Tony Evers from Wisconsin,

866
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: Baby Pritzker from Illinois, Eric Holcombe from Indiana Republican, Mike

867
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: DeWine from Ohio also Republican, and Andy Basher from Kentucky.

868
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: Good friend and another great talent. All of them are.

869
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: I think all the Democratic governors are fantastic. And we

870
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: were chatting about, you know, everything that was playing out,

871
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: and one of my colleagues said, you know, Gretchen, you're

872
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: doing all the same things that we're doing, but why

873
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: are you taking so much more heat for it? And

874
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: when the last word landed he went, he said, oh wait,

875
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: don't answer that. I know it's because you are the

876
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: woman doing it, and so I'm not the one who

877
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 3: raises Okay, I'm dealing with this because I'm a woman,

878
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: but I appreciate when someone else points it out because

879
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: I do think that that's a part of it. I

880
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: don't want that woman telling me what to do. And

881
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't have a black governor during the pandemic.

882
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: I don't know the extra kind of heat that a

883
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: black governor would have confronted, but I know that the

884
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: women governors did deal with a whole higher intensity of

885
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: hate that came.

886
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: Oh I agree with you because you know, you know,

887
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 2: even when your name comes up as you know, being

888
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: a presidential candidate. You know, I always say, man, I

889
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: think that this country in a lot of ways is

890
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: more sexist and racist. I don't know if they would

891
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 2: vote as qualified as you are.

892
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Right, Huh we seen Hillary.

893
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: That's my point, Like, I don't know if they would.

894
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: It's the same reason that they're so afraid of Vice

895
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: President Harris. Like when people when you hear people say, oh,

896
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 2: you should be scared of a you know, president Harris.

897
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: You know, uh, you should be scared of a president

898
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 2: Harris run. And I'm like, why what would our policies

899
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't be any different than any other Democrats, So what

900
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: would be make them afraid other than her being a

901
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: woman and a woman of color.

902
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that. I think you're making an

903
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: important point. You know. I was kind of marveling watching

904
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: the news this morning. Nikki Haley was taking a shot

905
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: at Kamala Harris, and you know, it just really struck

906
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: me that these are two women of Indian descent, you know,

907
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: and she's saying things like Kamala Harris would be dangerous,

908
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, and it's just it's it's galling to me

909
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 3: to watch that play out. I was hopeful, you know,

910
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: I thought she was somewhat of a voice of reason

911
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: in that primary, and yet you know, she's just thrown

912
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: her a lot in and with the team that she

913
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: was so critical of over the last year and a

914
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: half and attacking Kamala Harrison. I just I don't know.

915
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: It's just maybe that's why we haven't had a woman

916
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 3: president yet, because because you see.

917
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: Stuff like that playout, do you think you could be

918
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: the first?

919
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 3: I don't have any plans to run for anything after

920
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: this term as governor. It's it's certainly a compliment to

921
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: be included in the list of people whose names come

922
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: up all the time. But you know, I got a

923
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: big job right now. I got two and a half

924
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: more years to be governor of Michigan. I got a

925
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: lot more that I want to get accomplished, and I'm

926
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: not thinking of anything beyond that.

927
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: You could write shock, shock, blood, motherfuck shop, motherfucker on

928
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: the paper and then you know you can go for it.

929
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: Did you hear g Matcash a song about you, Big

930
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: rich oh Man, I love Gmtcash. He sent me an

931
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: email yesterday he said, good luck on gm A. I'm

932
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: rooting for you, bestie. So yeah, that is we're not

933
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: best friends, but I like to think that we're very good.

934
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: Friends when you hear the record and who put you

935
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: onto it?

936
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So first, it started with the nickname Big Gretch,

937
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 3: Big Gretch. So you know, first of all, I'm named

938
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: after my two grandmas, Gretchen and Esther. They're both in

939
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: the book. But Grandma Gretchen always said, don't ever let

940
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 3: anyone call you gretch. Your name is Gretchen. So I've

941
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: always had an aversion to being called gretch. I don't

942
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: know many women that want big in the front of

943
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: their nickname. Am I right?

944
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: Big? What depends? You know? If you heavy said, we

945
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: say you got a big bag, but big can mean

946
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: like position as well.

947
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it's it's all good now. But you know,

948
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: when I first heard the name big Gretch, I'm like,

949
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: oh Lord, what what is happening here? And Shaquille Meyer,

950
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: someone on my on my team at the time from Detroit,

951
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: was like, oh no, you don't understand the people of

952
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: Detroit have accepted you. Big Gretch is a compliment. It

953
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: is given with love. And I was like, all right,

954
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: tell me more. And then in Detroit, a symbol of

955
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: success is buffs. So the Buffalo, Cardier.

956
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: Sunglasses, buff glasses.

957
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, so you got to have the buffs. So

958
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: but when I don't own buffs, I mean I don't

959
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: have that kind of money, and I don't trust myself

960
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 3: with expensive sunglasses. But they they present you with buffs

961
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: like it's they don't literally present you with buffs, but

962
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: it's you know, a saying. And so it was like, okay,

963
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: I'm presented with buffs? What the hell are buff shequilla?

964
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: So she's educating me. But then Gmac made it into

965
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: a into the rap song and I just love it.

966
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: I think Big Grutch has become this this nickname I

967
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: never knew that I needed. It was given to me.

968
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: Trump was kicking my butt, he was making my life miserable.

969
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: I was getting all sorts of threats and ugliness. And

970
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: this happened at a time where I really, you know,

971
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: appreciated the boost. And everywhere I go, especially in Detroit,

972
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm Big Gretch.

973
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: So Big Gretch Gravity Gretsch. Which one do you like?

974
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: Big Gretch is my favorite.

975
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Yes, Big grts has to go.

976
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I got one more question, well too, you could

977
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: actually get the buff glasses now because the Supreme Court

978
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: made it to where you can get bribes. You can

979
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: have the money for me. But why aren't people saying

980
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is no longer a legitimate institution. Why

981
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: aren't folks calling them out for their corruption?

982
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: I am, you know, and I was glad to see

983
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: Sheldon Whitehouse and a letter to Merrick Garland. I don't

984
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: know if he's going to do anything about it, but

985
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: I hope he does because it is so depressing and

986
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: sad to me. You know, I'm a lawyer. I was

987
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: raised by you know, two public servants who also were lawyers, though,

988
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: and who revered the judicial system, that it was the

989
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: check on government, that it was above the politics of

990
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: the day. We saw that over the years, where decisions

991
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: came out even if you didn't agree with him, you

992
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: respected him because they were grounded in some you know,

993
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: interpretation of the constitution, not a political agenda. And yet

994
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 3: what we've seen now Trump remade the Supreme Court three

995
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 3: appointees who lied to Congress about roeb Wade and went

996
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: on and just eviscerated women's reproductive freedom. That is on

997
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: this ballot a majority now who has said that a

998
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: president has you know, this vast immunity now that the

999
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: law didn't apply to the person who is who we

1000
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: elect as our president. It is scary, and they are is.

1001
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: It is terribly frustrating to have all the presumptions I

1002
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: was raised to believe that you could count on that

1003
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 3: court thrown into the garbage in a dumpster. And it's

1004
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: it's a real problem, and I'm glad to see. You know,

1005
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 3: some folks in Congress are taking it seriously, but man,

1006
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: we need a better mechanism to hold them accountable.

1007
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: You still think it's a legitimate institution, the Supreme Court.

1008
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: I think that they have bastardized it. I hate to

1009
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: say it.

1010
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: You shouldn't, It's the truth.

1011
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate the fact of it. You know, we

1012
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 3: deserve better, and those justices took an oath then. Man,

1013
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: it's just horrible to see that not even they're holding

1014
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: it up.

1015
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: So Biden needs to expand the courts.

1016
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: Right Well, I'm not going to tell the President what

1017
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: to do, but we do need a system that is

1018
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: actually accountable to the people, and it has to abide

1019
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: by a certain ethic standard and is brained in by

1020
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: you know, the law.

1021
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: If you were president, would you explained Supreme Court?

1022
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: I haven't. It's a good question. I don't know that

1023
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 3: I've got a thoughtful answer for you. Yet the answers

1024
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: should be the answers aren't running for president. So there.

1025
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: All right.

1026
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: Last question, when you see people from Michigan at Detroit,

1027
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: do you agree them with?

1028
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: What upde?

1029
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, That's that's how we agreet one another. What

1030
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: updo you know? I gotta tell you Detroit hosted the

1031
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 3: NFL Draft yep, and man, it was the most fun event.

1032
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: Detroit's population has grown for the first time in seventy years.

1033
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: We had a record draft turnout, and then we had

1034
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: the Grand Prix the next week, and then the opening

1035
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: of Detroit Michigan Central Station, the old train station that

1036
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: Bill Ford, you know, decided to plow a bunch of

1037
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: resources into and now it's like this hub of R

1038
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: and D and it's exciting time. We had, you know,

1039
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: eminem produced a big party at the opening. I mean,

1040
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: there's so much good stuff happening in Detroit and all

1041
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: across Michigan. And so yeah, what up dough to the

1042
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: listeners from Detroit forty two.

1043
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: Doug is here, so you'll be able to say that

1044
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: to him. You'll surly seeming in the whole. All right. Well,

1045
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: it's the Governor Gretchen movie. Thank you so much, Governor

1046
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: of Michigan. Pleasure make sure you go get her a

1047
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: new book, true Gretch, what I've learned about life, leadership

1048
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: and everything in between it. And don't be a stranger. Please.

1049
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: We were on a lot of stations in U Misschchigan.

1050
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: I know I'll come back, please do all right, thank you.

1051
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass.

1052
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: Up in the morning. The Breakfast Club