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Speaker 2: You guys remember this, Oh yeah, Mega Pie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we assumed this guy had a bit of

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Speaker 3: Guess what, we were right.

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Speaker 1: We got an email from that background actor, one Robin Hunter,

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Speaker 1: who lives now in Canada, and Jensen asked him to

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Speaker 1: thankfully he delivered. Here are Robin Hunter's memories of being

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Speaker 4: Hey, gang, I am the Magnum Pie T shirt guy,

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Speaker 4: Robin Hunter. I check out the podcast from time to

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Speaker 4: time and started listening to the Fraternity Row episode and

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Speaker 4: it made me cringe immediately when my name was mentioned.

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Speaker 4: After my work visa ran out, I moved back to Canada.

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Speaker 4: I moved to Toronto and I used to use Boy

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Speaker 4: Meets World to pad my resume, and I hadn't really

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Speaker 4: thought of it much until Your Guys' podcast. It was

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Speaker 4: first acting gig, dancing with Shania Twain in one of videos.

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Speaker 4: picked as a feature extras. It's funny to think of

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Speaker 4: how excited I was at the time, because you're like,

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Speaker 4: I'll get whatever. And one thing I remember is I

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Speaker 4: know who it was suggested that, oh I would just

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Speaker 4: But I remember it was like shot down immediately, So

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Speaker 4: going from like, oh my god, yes too, Oh that's

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Speaker 4: that's terrible. And then that episode there was supposed to

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Speaker 4: be two T shirt gags. I watched the episode again

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Speaker 4: and I'm guessing it was a love boat T shirt,

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Speaker 4: so I imagine the same type of thing. But from

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Speaker 4: I was waiting backstage for my cue to go on.

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Speaker 4: Paul took me aside and gave me direction to do,

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Speaker 4: it and it was totally different than Alan's direction, and

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Speaker 5: You're sitting there and you're like, oh, I was.

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Speaker 4: I remember on that episode we had to stand like

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Speaker 4: Well, while I was waiting for Paul to sabotage my

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Speaker 5: You know, learned a lot.

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Speaker 4: I still act mostly commercials. I'm a member of Extra,

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Speaker 6: First of all, he sounds just like Canadian Adam Scott. Yes,

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Speaker 6: Like what obviously not the man's passed away, not trying

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's funny that there were you know, two t

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Speaker 2: Well, it would have made the love Boat makes sense.

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Speaker 7: It's so funny that they just decided to shelve that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so weird, so funny.

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Speaker 1: It's so cool to hear other povs, you know, like

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Speaker 1: fun So Robin, thank you so much for reaching out

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Speaker 1: to Thank.

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Speaker 7: You, Robin.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember Ryder being intense as a kid.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what you're talking about and talking about

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Speaker 1: Wrong person, Matthew Lawrence, nice guy, never heard of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, welcome to pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm

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Speaker 1: Today we are very excited to have a special guest

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Speaker 1: with us during our rewatch. Some of the most fun

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Speaker 1: we've had involves checking out our surroundings. It's the little

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Speaker 1: or even the most laughs. Now, thirty years later, and

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Speaker 1: sure the environment of Boy Meets World was as deep

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Speaker 1: David Glazer who worked on all seven seasons of Boy

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Speaker 1: film or TV is responsible for purchasing, acquiring, manufacturing, properly, placing,

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Speaker 1: and or overseeing any props needed for a production. It's

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Speaker 1: high stress, high pressure, and of very high importance. And

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Speaker 1: schedule of a Boy Meets World episode, things were changing constantly.

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Speaker 1: So just because we needed a sad looking salad for

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Speaker 1: addition to the entire run of our show, David worked

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Speaker 1: on classic films like When Harry Met Sally Scrooged, and

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Speaker 1: was in that red drink we were forced to drink.

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Speaker 1: Take after take in the cafeteria as children. And if

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Speaker 1: that's the reason we're so weird. Now, welcome to Pod

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Speaker 1: meets World. The Master of the Props, David Glazer, diavu.

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Speaker 5: Hi guys.

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Speaker 3: I can already tell you're wearing a boy met jacket.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 3: The baseball jacket.

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Speaker 5: Yes, all of my swag from all the years.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. You probably have more of it than I do.

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Speaker 3: A few things. Yeah, I don't know how that happens.

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Speaker 3: I still have the mug.

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Speaker 5: I uh, I'm drinking my coffee out of it right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you geared up for us. We are so appreciative.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. It would have been impossible

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Speaker 1: to recap our time on boy Meets World without talking

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Speaker 1: to you. We gave a little description in the intro,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to let you give a description of

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Speaker 1: your job for our listeners. What exactly are the responsibilities

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Speaker 1: of a prop master right?

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Speaker 5: Well, a prop master is responsible for anything that an

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Speaker 5: actor handles or touches. It could be anything from a

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Speaker 5: eaten by the actors on the set. Watches such as

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Speaker 2: Yes they still have that too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And eyeglasses, wedding rings, police belts, badges, when we

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Speaker 5: interfaced with wardrobe and and makeup and hair all the time.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so cool. So I like thinking, that's a really

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Speaker 5: But we work very closely with set deck because times

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Speaker 5: Right. That's obviously an end joke that I actually wasn't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's no laugh like a writer laughing at his.

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Speaker 5: you remember. Once we had to have Michael asked for

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Speaker 5: gigantic menus once. I don't know why he asked for

440
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 5: gigantic menus, so we had to have gigantic menus made.

441
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Speaker 5: Those were always a lot of fun you know.

442
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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, and you said funny props. I just

443
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Speaker 7: had the memory. Do you guys remember the when when

444
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Speaker 7: is a knife? Funny thing?

445
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 5: Oh?

446
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know?

447
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 7: Not funny? Not funny, funny, funny funny funny, not funny,

448
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 7: funny funny.

449
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Speaker 5: I went into David Kendall recently. It was a show

450
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Speaker 5: that a mutual friend of ours was doing called An

451
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 5: Evening with Groucho by Frank Ferrante. It's a one person

452
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Speaker 5: show where he portrays Groucho, and David Kendall was a

453
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Speaker 5: friend of him. Anyway, we ran into each other at

454
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Speaker 5: the performance and we talked about that. We talked about back.

455
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Speaker 5: There was a production meeting once where I made a

456
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Speaker 5: prop illustrating that. It was a fold out card and

457
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 5: I'd written funny, funny, funny, as I asked, I opened

458
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Speaker 5: it up bigger and bigger.

459
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Speaker 3: I love it.

460
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Speaker 6: Okay, So wait, so before we get deeper into borm

461
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Speaker 6: me thorl, because I know we all have other questions,

462
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Speaker 6: I want to go back to the films a little bit,

463
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Speaker 6: because you did some pretty amazing films and I'm curious

464
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Speaker 6: A what your favorite film was, and B do you

465
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Speaker 6: prefer doing films or sitcom.

466
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Speaker 5: I'll start back with this with the second question. Honestly,

467
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 5: I preferred sitcoms, okay, even more than I did lots

468
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Speaker 5: of episodic TV too. Sitcoms are the dream job in

469
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 5: the industry. I'm not sure how it is now time

470
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 5: seven years, but at the time, first of all, Boyme's

471
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 5: World was the best job I'd ever had. We had

472
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 5: Jewish holidays off with pay. We had Christmas two weeks off,

473
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: we had Thanksgiving two weeks off. And when you kids

474
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: were young, we could only work eight hours a day.

475
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 5: We didn't make a ton of money like you might

476
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 5: make on a movie, but it was much more of

477
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 5: a family, much more of a feeling of working together

478
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: that sometimes you always get that on movies, but it

479
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 5: sometimes takes weeks because everybody's just so insane working on it.

480
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: But the other question. My favorite movies that I ever

481
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Speaker 5: worked on probably, I mean, the most famous one I

482
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 5: ever worked on was When Harry Met Sally. That was

483
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 5: a blast. But I also did some non union movies

484
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 5: back in the day, a Dreamscape, which.

485
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: A great movie is that Dennis Quaid? Yes, Yeah, great movie.

486
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 5: Ape which became kind of a cult film. And there

487
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 5: another movie directed by Abel Ferrara called Fear City, which

488
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 5: is kind of a film noir, a dark movie. We

489
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 5: shot that in New York. And my other favorite movie

490
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Speaker 5: of all time that I worked on was Soap Dish. Oh,

491
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 5: Sosh Boldberg and Sally Field.

492
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Speaker 2: That's right.

493
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Speaker 6: You wait, you and I had a conversation about Soap

494
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Speaker 6: Dish and if memory serves, didn't you tell me that

495
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 6: Robert Downey Junior wanted like different glasses in every single

496
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 6: scene he was in.

497
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean at first I thought, well, okay, this

498
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 5: is a horrifying continuity nightmare. But you know, I talked

499
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 5: to the director about it was basically, let him do

500
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 5: whatever he wants. And the way kind of the way

501
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 5: we solved it is had we had a stand on

502
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 5: his desk, which I don't know it was ever seen,

503
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 5: but it had like ten pair of glasses on it

504
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 5: and sometimes he would switch in the middle of a

505
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: scene and it worked out. I mean, he actually, you know,

506
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 5: he's one of the my favorite people ever worked with.

507
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 5: He treated me so well. I mean, I know he

508
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 5: got a lot of bad press in the early problems

509
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 5: and stuff, but he was a total pro. I really

510
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 5: enjoyed him.

511
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: But he's also a genius.

512
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 6: I mean, he's an actual genius when it comes to

513
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 6: as an actor.

514
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

515
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 5: And you know, I was going to say, some of

516
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: my most favorite moments in any show, more so on movies,

517
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: is when you're shooting a scene in a small room

518
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 5: and there's only five or six people in there. There

519
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: may be the two actors and the director, the cameraman,

520
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 5: the prop guy, makeup, hair, script supervisor. We'd get that

521
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 5: small group because a lot of times we'd be in

522
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 5: those offices or you'd be in somebody's bedroom. The crew

523
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 5: couldn't fit in there. And this was kind of almost

524
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 5: before video village, and it was such a privilege to

525
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 5: be right there when you see the acting going on.

526
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so I want to know what is your

527
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 7: proudest moment of fabrication, Like, what what is your favorite

528
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 7: prop that you ever delivered for in general, and then

529
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 7: I want to hear what your favorite on Boy Meets

530
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 7: World was.

531
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Speaker 5: Well, I have actually a list from Boy Meets World.

532
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 5: I mean, so many props throughout so many movies are

533
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 5: just mundane, you know, gotens and police badges and i

534
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 5: ds and all that. Very often you get to make

535
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 5: an iconic prop. I don't think any of mine were

536
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: as famous as the Maltese falcon or right, But I've

537
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: got to say specifically on Boy Meets World, and I

538
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: don't know if you remember this, it was a very

539
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 5: early episode. We had to make a candy clown that Lily,

540
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 5: not Lily. It was the other little girl had Lindsay.

541
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: Had early on though Lily Lily.

542
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a candy clown. It was was they

543
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 5: wanted a clown three feet tall and it was made

544
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 5: all of candy. I looked for the episode. I couldn't

545
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: find episode. It was very early in the show, and

546
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: so I had a friend who did crafty type props

547
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 5: for me. The idea was she was supposed to carry

548
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: in this clown and I don't even know what the

549
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 5: gag was, but my friend made it and we bought

550
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 5: all of this different kinds of candy and it was

551
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 5: glued all over. Well, we pick it up. It was

552
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 5: so heavy there was no way she could pick it up.

553
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

554
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 5: I showed it to them and they said, well, can

555
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 5: you put it on wheels? So we put it on

556
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 5: wheels and she rolled it in. Now, I mean, it

557
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: may not have been my proudest moment, but it was.

558
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: It was something that we had to figure out. A

559
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 5: couple of others from the show that were great. Again,

560
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: I couldn't find the episode there was one where honey

561
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 5: got poured down from the part of it. I mean,

562
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 5: all those little gags actually took a lot of thinking

563
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 5: and a lot of a lot of work. Of course,

564
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: the brains, those those electronic brains. So this is interesting

565
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 5: because you know, Michael Jacobs had for some reason gone

566
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 5: on a vacation or he was on another show. I

567
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 5: don't know what he was doing, but I've been told

568
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: that these brains were coming up. And when it got

569
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 5: closer and I went to talk to the producers, and

570
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 5: you know, I talked to I guess you know, all

571
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 5: the guys there, David, and they described, well, it's just

572
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 5: just we just want a brain that they wear it

573
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: like a hat. And I said, okay, you know we

574
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 5: made that. I found some brains. We we cut them

575
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 5: in half. We had to glue them together to make

576
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 5: big enough. We had an electronics guy make all this.

577
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: Michael comes back just in time for the run through

578
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 5: and he he looks at me, go is no, no, no.

579
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 5: He says, they're supposed to be like the Mars attacks brains.

580
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: And Michael, nobody ever told me that.

581
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was, Oh, I should never.

582
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 5: Have left, you know, communicate that clearly to his writers.

583
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: So they gave me what they but you know, it

584
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 5: ended up being a funny prop anyway. Yeah, and we

585
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: had to make all of them for the audience as well,

586
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 5: if you remember, we had audience superwearing. But I mean

587
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: those were some great props. I mean, in all the

588
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 5: other shows that I've done, there's always stuff that came up.

589
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 5: But you know, you make an electronic prop, yeah, it's fun.

590
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 5: But you know, the sitcom props and all the sitcoms

591
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: I did sometimes were the most challenging.

592
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 6: So you you mentioned at the beginning that there was

593
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Speaker 6: you would often work closely with wardrobe because you would

594
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Speaker 6: get a lot of the things that we would have

595
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 6: to wear would also be considered props. Where is that

596
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 6: line drawn of what wardrobe does and what the prop

597
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 6: department does?

598
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 5: It's it's it's a fine line. I mean with with

599
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 5: police props does the badges and the gun belts. But

600
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: sometimes costumes would show up with the costume and it

601
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: would have badges and it would have a gun belt

602
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 5: and we would provide the gun. A lot of times

603
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: it just came from having a discussion ahead of time,

604
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 5: you know, what are we going to do? Who is

605
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: going to handle this?

606
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

607
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 5: And that's when you have the most cooperation. I mean,

608
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 5: I think I always worked with great people on the show,

609
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 5: so I was lucky. You know. It could be as

610
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 5: simple as the script says, somebody takes their wallet out

611
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 5: of their pocket, right, and or somebody takes a hair

612
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 5: brush out of their pocket, and the girl's costume shows

613
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 5: up or the or the man's costume shows up, the

614
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: pocket's not big enough or the pocket's not there, and

615
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 5: you go and it's like these are the things you're going.

616
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 5: Was it really necessary to talk about a pocket when

617
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 5: the script there was a pocket? Because I wouldn't normally

618
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: bring that up and get there and it'd be on

619
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: like run through day or whatever, and you go, my god,

620
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 5: what they don't have pockets? And why should they have

621
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: the wardrobes and why should they have pockets? Well, because

622
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: it says in the script they take the naro prop

623
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 5: out of their pocket. So try to avoid those things.

624
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: But sometimes those really fine lines would get for gotten

625
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 5: and we'd get the same thing with hair, of hair

626
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: and makeup sometimes. I mean when I mean for Tapanga's character,

627
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 5: I mean there was often she was putting on makeup.

628
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: Those were props, but I'd have to go through a

629
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 5: makeup I would say, hey, what what is what is

630
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: she using in this? Or what color are you using?

631
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: I'd usually buy my own, or if they were nice,

632
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 5: they would give me some, but I'd always have to

633
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 5: greek out the name because Disney allowed zero product placement.

634
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 5: So we'd have our own props that match the makeup props.

635
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: And the same with hair. If somebody's brushing their hair,

636
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: or if there was a haircut scene, it was the

637
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: time when when to Panga cut her hair, you know,

638
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 5: we would have to tell, okay, what are we using? Uh?

639
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: You know, and so we would we would we would

640
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 5: work very closely with them.

641
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously I'm assuming for that it was scissor hair

642
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: cutting scissors Lori Heaps provided since I was actually cutting

643
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: my hair.

644
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 5: Yes, I do remember. It was your real hair, as

645
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: I recall.

646
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Yes it was, yeah, I were. It wasn't just like,

647
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: uh yeah it.

648
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: Was we just found these here, these are in my belt.

649
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: Those were real haircutting shears.

650
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

651
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 5: It was great too. We you know, I remember all

652
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 5: these people so clearly as if it was yesterday, and

653
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 5: I really felt that we had a great team.

654
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 7: Yes, we did.

655
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 6: I remember when when then Mark left for a little

656
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 6: while and Hector came in. Yes, we used to play

657
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 6: a game with Hector because he always wore that vest

658
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 6: and where it was essentially like.

659
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: Name something and I have it on me and we

660
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: come up with.

661
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 6: The most esoteric we want blanks for a thirty eight special.

662
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: All right here you go right back to zoom.

663
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 6: It was like come and no matter what you would say,

664
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 6: he would have it in a pocket somewhere. It was

665
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 6: amazing how you were always just what do you need,

666
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 6: We've essentially got it, or we'll have it in a day.

667
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: Well that's that whole vest idea came from feature films

668
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 5: and It came from one of our mutual mentors whose

669
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 5: name was Eric Nelson, and Eric's passed away. Now Eric

670
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 5: did the lethal Weapon movies. He's a national treasure. But

671
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 5: he started that. He wore the vest of many pockets,

672
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 5: which is to be from addition. Yeah, and I tried it,

673
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 5: but it was just so heavy for me. Yeah, Hector.

674
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 5: Hector kept up that tradition and even though on a

675
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 5: sitcom you could work off of a cart, he kept

676
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 5: everything on his body and it was kind of admirable.

677
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: You know, that was great, that's so cool.

678
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 7: So there was always a prop cart, right, which have

679
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 7: like sort of just a bunch of objects that might

680
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 7: be needed, mugs, glasses, all those kinds of things, but

681
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 7: then purses. But then I also remember, you guys had

682
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 7: a room on stage right, like a big and it

683
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 7: was like and we didn't really go back there that often,

684
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 7: but I remember going back. It was a magical place.

685
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 7: I think when we were kids, we weren't allowed back

686
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 7: there because there's so many like things that we could

687
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 7: grab or mess up. But can you just describe what

688
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 7: you would have in that room. It's like a walk

689
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 7: in closet that was just filled with stuff.

690
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, on the modern stages now they

691
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 5: have dedicated actual physical rooms. Like when we were in

692
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: one of our last seasons at Radford, we actually have

693
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 5: an actual physical room with a door on the ceiling.

694
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 5: But in general, on Stage two at Disney, I mean

695
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 5: that was not built as a sitcom stage. So what

696
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 5: they did is they built gold rooms for all the departments.

697
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: They were wooden. They were wooden structures that they built,

698
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 5: and believe it or not, you were on your own.

699
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 5: They gave you a wooden box with a door, and

700
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 5: that was it. Good luck. So you know, I had

701
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: to first I had to get lights. I had to

702
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 5: get fluorescent lights. We had to get power strips and

703
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: put power all over and get shelves built. But what

704
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 5: we started with was the scripted the scripted props, and

705
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 5: as if I knew other episodes were coming up, we'd

706
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 5: have boxes labeled with you know, episode one oh one,

707
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 5: episode one o two, episode one oh three, And every

708
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 5: time I got an inkling of something coming up, I'd

709
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 5: buy it and I just toss it in that box

710
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 5: and maybe time would come by and then we would

711
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 5: have the actual hero props, the things that people wore

712
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: all the time, whether it was a watch that a

713
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: character wore, or well, mister Feenie had his own glasses,

714
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 5: but we had a double pair of them, an exact

715
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 5: pair of them in case something happened.

716
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 3: Amy and Allan's wedding rings exactly.

717
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 5: So we would have all of those in one of

718
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 5: our prop boxes. And so we would have shelves of stuff,

719
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 5: and a lot of it was just generic stuff. A

720
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 5: lot of it was like, you know, soda cans that

721
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 5: we could label, candy bars that we could throw labels on,

722
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 5: grocery bags, telephones, uh, you know, yeah, backpacks, kids backpacks,

723
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 5: student backpacks, notebooks, things.

724
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: The peachy folders is that what the same folders.

725
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 5: We would have lots of this stuff in there, and

726
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: then this room we called our gold room, and that's

727
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 5: where I generally did all of my work, and we'd

728
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: have a computer and you know, my scripts and stuff,

729
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 5: and that's where you know, if you didn't have it

730
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 5: on your set cart, you'd be running there at the

731
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 5: last second. But you know, I had my little set cart,

732
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 5: and in there we keep the wedding rings and the

733
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 5: watches and the glasses and all the things you'd need

734
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 5: right away, and little tools, little things that you might

735
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: need tape, glue, anything that might come up to fix

736
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 5: something on the moment. But you know our prop boxes

737
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: for a prop master, that is that is our thing.

738
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just one person, and without my prop kit,

739
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 5: I'm just another guy. So the prop kit is kind

740
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: of what makes you the superhero. If you don't have

741
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 5: things to get, you know, you're not really doing your

742
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 5: best job. Right.

743
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to know what was the red drink

744
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: that we drink in the cafeteria sets all the time

745
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: in those early years. They were in those little plastic

746
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: like juice things and it was just bright red.

747
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: Was it fruit punch? Hawaiian punch?

748
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: Was were probably Hawaiian punch or fruit punch, the little

749
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 5: boxes that you put the straw in.

750
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: No, no, it was plastic.

751
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: They look kind kind of similar to the Martinelli's apple juice,

752
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: but they were they were smaller and yeah.

753
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 5: Exactly what that is. Oh yeah, they were milky kind

754
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: of plastic. Yes, they were very very inexpensive drinks that

755
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 5: I would get from Spartan Final because, as I said,

756
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 5: I was out of budget. I mean I'm sure they

757
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 5: were you know, purple flavored and green flavored.

758
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: Exactly, but they're mostly glue.

759
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 7: The red dye.

760
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: We just have always called it red drink, bread drink.

761
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 5: You know, I never knew that that, And you know,

762
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 5: at the time, you know, I was always cognizant of

763
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 5: what actors needed to eat and drink, but I never

764
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 5: thought much about that. I always wanted to make sure

765
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 5: that the food was edible and that nobody got sick.

766
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 5: But the drinks, yes, I remember, I used to buy

767
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: those by the because the cafeteria scenes took a lot

768
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 5: of my time, even though we barely ever saw the food.

769
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 5: But everybody's going in and out. So I mean, in

770
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 5: the prop room, I'd have all of this pre prepared

771
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 5: stuff which I would basically microwave or I would buy

772
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 5: it hot and then just spoon it out, you know,

773
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 5: whatever it was, unless it was a specific funny prop.

774
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 5: But I had all this generic food that I would

775
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 5: just pull out, start slapping on trays, and I'd load

776
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 5: up the cart and i'd wheel it out there. And

777
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 5: then you remember the first time I worked so hard

778
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 5: on that, the very one of the very first cafeteria episodes,

779
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 5: and we did like two takes and we moved on,

780
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 5: and I said to Mark, I said, all this for that.

781
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 7: Yep.

782
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 6: Well yeah, no, we needed the red drink to wash

783
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 6: down the cold, uncooked French fries. Yeah, and soggy cold

784
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 6: green beans.

785
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 5: So gross. I got to apologize because it was very

786
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 5: difficult in those days because we basically had a two

787
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 5: man crew. Yeah, I mean that was it. I mean

788
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: for the days where you were basically told you've got

789
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 5: two people, that's it.

790
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 7: Now you have like twenty extras in those cafeterias. Names

791
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 7: you have to provide and they all have.

792
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: A tray and a plate and a dream and drop

793
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: in and silverware.

794
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 5: As we got further along in the show, and I

795
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 5: don't know if I gained any more clout, but it

796
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: just became more industry standard to have three people on

797
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 5: a crew. Get to have somebody extra in on show

798
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 5: nights to help us with that stuff. But but yeah,

799
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: it was it was hard. And then and of course

800
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 5: they wouldn't give me the luxury of money to hire

801
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 5: a food stylist, you know, to come in and actually

802
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 5: keep food hot, and we didn't have the space for it.

803
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: I mean, as I gained more experience in props and

804
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: I had space, I mean, we would set up you know,

805
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: chafing dishes and have hot things. But that required two

806
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: or three people, and so yes, I apologize the food barely.

807
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 6: So you mentioned the which we I'm dying to know.

808
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 6: I have a vague memory of it during run through

809
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 6: the clown, the Johnny Candy clown, but I don't think

810
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 6: it ever made it to air.

811
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 5: It may not have.

812
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 6: But other than that, would that also be the most

813
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 6: difficult prop you've ever had to do in life?

814
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 5: Probably not. No, that wasn't the most difficult because I

815
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: basically made a phone call and talk everybody about building it.

816
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 5: But you know, it's set. I get asked that question

817
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: a lot. And some of the things that are the

818
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: most difficult are the most mundane. And that's bad thing

819
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 5: because you know, I did commercials for a lot of years,

820
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: and you know, be an orange juice commercial or whatever,

821
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: you had to have an orange juice as part of

822
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 5: this healthy breakfast, and you could go out and shop

823
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 5: and bring in twenty different orange juice glasses, and some

824
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 5: agency person will say, well, you know, like the shape

825
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 5: of this one, can it be? But can it be

826
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 5: the size of this one? And so the the most

827
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 5: difficult props I feel were the most mundane because it'd

828
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 5: be the one where, like I, you know, I'd be

829
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 5: told you can you can just go out and find

830
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 5: that in the trash can out in the studio. I'm going,

831
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 5: oh really. Or the worst thing was well, well it

832
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 5: was later in life, but you'd see it on What's

833
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 5: What's that site where everybody posts pictures of their stuff.

834
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 5: But anyway, you know, it's oh I saw yeah, yeah,

835
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 5: I saw it on Pinterest. Yeah, right there, I saw

836
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 5: it on Pinterest. Well yeah, except the pictures from eight

837
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 5: years ago. Those were the toughest. I mean, honestly, because

838
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 5: the rest of it is just persistence. I mean that's

839
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 5: all it is. I mean, there were I will tell

840
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 5: you one of the toughest props on the show, and

841
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: it was prior to the studio. I was really cracking

842
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 5: down on having to have animal wranglers on set because

843
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 5: we all know animals are animal actors, and the rules

844
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 5: require a member of the Humane Society to be there wrangler.

845
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 5: But in the early years or the years that we

846
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 5: were doing Boy Meets World, it wasn't so strict, and

847
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 5: I wasn't as much of an advocate for animals back then,

848
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 5: but we needed a bird. It was a scene in

849
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: the boys that the college kid's apartment.

850
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: It was a oh yes, but it was the roommate.

851
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Eric has a roommate who has a creepy bird.

852
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: That's right, right, So you know, that fell to me

853
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 5: and they said, oh, David, we don't need an animal wrangler.

854
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 5: You know, it costs thousands of dollars. They said, can

855
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 5: you just go maybe just you rent a bird you

856
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: can find maybe somebody has a bird, I mean a bird.

857
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: Questions all watch one outside.

858
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, we get these questions all the time from producers

859
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 5: because they didn't want to spend money. So I had

860
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 5: first I did call all the animal wranglers. I know

861
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 5: was that. I think it was a Laura heat. I'm

862
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 5: not sure what it was, but I couldn't they nobody

863
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 5: had a red bird, and I was getting desperate and

864
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 5: I started calling bird stores throughout throughout the city. And

865
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 5: it's funny, it was around this time that my dad

866
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 5: was pretty sick and I used to take them to

867
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 5: his doctor's appointments all the time, sometimes even when I

868
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: was working, and I was always working the phone, and

869
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: my brother is with me, and we're sitting there and

870
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 5: I'm on the phone while we're waiting for my dad

871
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 5: to come back out of the doctor's office and I'm

872
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 5: sitting there. He says, what are you so obsessed about?

873
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 5: He says, I have got to get a red bird,

874
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: and I need it by Friday, and if I don't

875
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 5: get this red bird, my career will be over. Well, well,

876
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 5: what if you can't find it, Oh, I said, Oh,

877
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: I will find Oh. I have to paint one myself.

878
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 5: And it took I mean prior to the internet being

879
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 5: what it is now. Yes, I probably could have found

880
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 5: one in five minutes then, but I called hundreds of

881
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 5: birds stores and I finally found somebody who had a

882
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 5: red bird who was willing. I had to buy him

883
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: for like a thousand dollars or whatever, fifteen hundred dollars

884
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 5: because it was a very expensive bird. I had to

885
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 5: buy him. And if he was returned healthy, they were

886
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 5: going to keep like five hundred dollars or whatever. If

887
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 5: we didn't return him healthy, then we owned him. So

888
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 5: we had that bird for about a week during rehearsal,

889
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: and he lived in my office and he took care

890
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 5: of him, and you know, and when the show was over,

891
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: he was perfectly healthy and happy, and I actually fell

892
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: in love with him buy him. But we only had

893
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 5: cats at the time, so ah, I'm not a good combo.

894
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: Yeh oh, yeah, that's that's an example of a.

895
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: You know who had birds.

896
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 6: I hate to tell you this, but you know who

897
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: actually had birds and I think had a red bird

898
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 6: was Rusty.

899
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: Wow.

900
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: We really Yeah, Rusty had birds for a lot.

901
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 6: He had one bird for like twenty some odd years

902
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 6: that I think was a red parrot or McCall or something.

903
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: There.

904
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 5: You go, see, some people just don't know what you're

905
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 5: going for. He announced to the crew, Hey, anybody got

906
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 5: a red.

907
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 2: Bird because like, yeah, I have several Yeah, rest at birds.

908
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 5: That was. That was a real tough one on boy me.

909
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, I I lived to tell another

910
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 5: day because you know, it's it's really tough. I mean

911
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 5: it's really hard to say no. I mean, the only

912
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 5: time you can ever say no if it's if it's

913
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 5: on the moment and it's you're ready to shoot. They say, hey,

914
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 5: by the way, do you have a sippy cup? I

915
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 5: can just handle this across. Yeah, well, you know a

916
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: sippy cup. You know, I think I've got one in

917
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 5: my garage, you know, Yeah, yeah.

918
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have talked a little bit about how Michael

919
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: always wanted up to date comic books in Chubby's or

920
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: the fake magazines that we would read.

921
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: How did they.

922
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: Get purchased or fabricated? And do you remember any of

923
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: our specific magazines that we would read.

924
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember. I don't have I brought some

925
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 5: of the stuff here. I don't, yes, the specific magazines.

926
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 5: But what happened is say it was a oh well,

927
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 5: for instance, I mean there was the Bridle magazines when

928
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 5: Topanga was looking for a wedding dress. Yes, so I

929
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: had to create that from scratch. Earl Hayes Press at

930
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: the time was the standard of printed props at the time,

931
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 5: and you could go there and they would have various

932
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 5: magazines already made up, but in general a lot of

933
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 5: them were very dated. So in most cases it was

934
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 5: a lot of footwork. I would go to Corbis or

935
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 5: one of the photo agency places. We would find a photo.

936
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 5: I would show it to Michael and we would purchase

937
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 5: the photo. I would take it to the ground fixed

938
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 5: place to to Earl Hayes or another place, and they

939
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 5: would create these magazine covers for us, along with fake ads.

940
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 5: Because the thing about props, especially magazines and newspapers and

941
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 5: books is when the actors looking at it, the audience

942
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: only sees the back. We would always have to make

943
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 5: sure we had appropriate ads on the back that were

944
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 5: cleared books. I mean we made tons of books. I brought.

945
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 5: I brought some of the books. I mean we made

946
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 5: this one was was one of the drops.

947
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 8: Remember that that so you're going I wrote all the

948
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 8: books that.

949
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 5: Way, we didn't have to clear any writers.

950
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: Although the Witchcraft for dumb dumbs.

951
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 5: Stuff from that one. Yeah, and witchcraft occasionally they would

952
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 5: write in a book that was written by a specific

953
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 5: actor or whatever. But I think this one was also

954
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: from Boy Meets World. That's my son. Yeah, So you

955
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 5: know those I've kept all of these. These were great,

956
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 5: great props, great souvenirs, and they didn't want them back.

957
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 5: I mean to them, they were nothing. You know, they

958
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 5: had their expendables or their their recoverable assets list that

959
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 5: I had to go by. But those magazines, the newspapers,

960
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 5: I've got a couple of those here. Those were those

961
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 5: were a lot of work. I mean, if you remember

962
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: this one when they did Marini computer, so I had

963
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 5: we had a computer guy there who did the typing

964
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 5: because remember they changed it from feenie to weenie. You know,

965
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 5: a ma one like this chick like me, you know

966
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 5: I would have. So it's very fast turnaround because makeup,

967
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 5: hair and wardrobe did not have this together till almost

968
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 5: a day or two before. So we did a photo shoot.

969
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 5: In fact, this may not even be what was on camera,

970
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 5: but it was close enough so that I could do

971
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 5: a photo shoot and get the picture in there. And

972
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 5: then of course my favorite, my favorite of all time

973
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 5: was the one that was the nineteen fifties one which

974
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: was curly headed spot.

975
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that picture.

976
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: Bell These are great.

977
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 5: That was one I shot and you have if you remember.

978
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 5: Of course, nobody remembers newspapers nowadays. Newspapers used to be

979
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 5: this big. Yeah, papers were that big. So those were

980
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 5: a lot of fun, and I always kept copies of

981
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 5: all my work doing that. I enjoyed the I always

982
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 5: enjoyed the graphics part a lot.

983
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 7: Well.

984
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: While we are taping it this, there is currently a

985
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World prop for eBay on sale for almost

986
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars, and I wanted to know a little

987
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: bit about it. It is a version of the newspaper

988
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: that announces Corey into Penga's breakup in season five. It's

989
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: a great eight site gag, pretending the Patriot Spirit is

990
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: already reporting on the breakup that happened just seconds before.

991
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: And the prop that's for sale is slightly different than

992
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: the one we see for sale. I mean, then the

993
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: one we see on camera, the one that's for sale

994
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: includes a subheadline Bunsen Burner still missing, and it includes

995
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: a picture of the said Bunsen burner.

996
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: So can you explain how many.

997
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: Versions of these props were made or maybe how or

998
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: why something like this one with the Bunsen burner headline

999
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: wasn't used, but the other one was.

1000
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 5: Well weirdly enough, I and I, I mean it was

1001
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 5: thirty years ago. I don't remember that specific one. I'm

1002
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 5: assuming the newspaper.

1003
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Was in the show, right, Yes it was, we just

1004
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: saw it recently. It's the one where Corey and Tapanga breakup.

1005
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: Is it the Ski Lodge episode?

1006
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, it's weird a lot that I kept copies

1007
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 5: of everything that I made, but maybe I didn't. The

1008
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 5: only thing I can, and I don't want to say

1009
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 5: it's a fake. It is possible that there was an

1010
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 5: initial version that was made that maybe the producers rejected,

1011
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 5: but it cost a lot of money to make these

1012
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 5: newspapers at the time. I mean, to make our own

1013
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 5: newspaper was like two or three hundred dollars with our

1014
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 5: own copy on it, you know, in those days again

1015
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 5: before desktop publishing, these were actually set by hand, like

1016
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 5: a newspaper. Macintosh and all that were around, but a

1017
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 5: lot of printers weren't using them yet. So honestly, I

1018
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 5: have to say, I'm going to plead I have no

1019
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,959
Speaker 5: memory of that.

1020
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: It was First Lives Club, it was the episode you're

1021
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: looking for it.

1022
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 5: I know that a lot of things ended up, you know,

1023
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 5: being sold, you know, when the prop everything that we

1024
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 5: owned that we had on a show belonged to Disney.

1025
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 5: I mean, we kept souvenirs and stuff, but most everything

1026
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 5: got turned into the studio and the Disney prop house

1027
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 5: closed down a few years after Boymet's World ended, which

1028
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 5: was an absolute crime. They had one of the best

1029
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 5: studio prop houses in Hollywood and they closed it. They

1030
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 5: turned it into an office building. They sold everything. So yeah,

1031
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 5: so they sold everything and they auctioned everything. So probably

1032
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff ended up being sold that way.

1033
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 5: I have been asked. In the past, I've gotten emails

1034
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 5: to verify that something was a prop from homes World,

1035
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 5: and I would say, yeah, yeah, we made that, you know.

1036
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 5: But they they were just they were throwing things out,

1037
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 5: and I was there, and the painting of the picture

1038
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 5: of the original family which hung over the fireplace was there,

1039
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 5: and because it was turned in as part of the

1040
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 5: you know, everything was fair and it never made it

1041
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 5: to the Disney archives, so it was there and they

1042
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 5: didn't care what happened to it. I took it home, right,

1043
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 5: I took it home, and then years later, when Girl

1044
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 5: Meets World started, I sent it to Michael, so it

1045
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 5: sailed it to him. I don't think it was ever

1046
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 5: in your show, but I just said, you know, I've

1047
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 5: been hanging on to this for safekeeping for years. I

1048
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 5: think somebody else should have it.

1049
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: So I'm so disappointed that they did that and none

1050
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: of us even knew about it.

1051
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: No, but well that's happened.

1052
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 6: I mean again, I was at a convention where somebody

1053
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 6: came up with the Feenie doll, oh, the one where

1054
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 6: Eric has it at the end and it slides down

1055
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 6: the thing, and he said, yeah, I bought this, and

1056
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 6: I could tell it was the real thing. I mean

1057
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: it was unless it was a perfect fake. Yeah, I

1058
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 6: mean I knew it was the real doll. So it

1059
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 6: was Yeah, these things are definitely getting out there. But yeah,

1060
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 6: we should have been. I mean talk about as a

1061
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 6: television lover and a film lover, My god, I would

1062
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 6: have gone and bought a whole bunch of stuff from the.

1063
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: Eric doll. The Eric doll, the one with the polstering.

1064
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah.

1065
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 5: Those were hysterical. And you know, I mean the studio

1066
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 5: looks at stuff, and I know that Disney saves tons

1067
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 5: of stuff where it's archives, but it wasn't important enough

1068
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 5: for them, you know.

1069
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 7: So it was like, okay, right, David, I was you

1070
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 7: brought it up already, but I was going to ask

1071
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 7: you if you could just describe what a prop house is,

1072
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 7: and you know, cause I doubt I didn't know what

1073
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 7: it was until after Boy in the World and Will

1074
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 7: and I were working on a project when we went

1075
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 7: to our first prop house and I was.

1076
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: Like, what these places?

1077
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 7: So, could you just describe what they are and how

1078
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 7: they function?

1079
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 5: Back in the day, Back in the seventies and eighties,

1080
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 5: there were actually even more prop houses or prop rental

1081
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 5: companies than there are now. There was a lot of consolidation.

1082
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 5: There's a lot of specialty prop houses. So Alpha Medical

1083
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 5: at the time was the one that specialized just in

1084
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 5: medical equipment. Spelman Desk only rented desks. There was Street First,

1085
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: Street Furniture only rented Eastern stuff. Now as the years

1086
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 5: went by, they all combined, so we're now left with

1087
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 5: some pretty giant, amazing general prop rental companies. The biggest

1088
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 5: one of all is ISS, which is Independent Studio Services.

1089
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 5: A prop house is a collection of items that would

1090
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 5: be used in a show, either by an actor or

1091
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 5: as set dressing, and for instance ISS And if you

1092
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 5: ever get a chance, you go out to Sun Valley,

1093
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 5: get a tour there. It is thousands and thousands of

1094
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 5: square feet and they have giant rooms. They have Western World,

1095
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 5: and then they have Gym World, and you go into

1096
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 5: the gym section and there's gym machines and weights and

1097
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 5: fake weights and all that. And then there's the Police

1098
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 5: World and you go in there and it's just police

1099
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 5: stuff from all over the world and badges, and then

1100
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 5: you know tool rooms and oh my god, end, and

1101
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 5: then there'd be rows and rows of coffee cups and

1102
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 5: plates and all this generic stuff that is just part

1103
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 5: of the background of a show if you're doing a

1104
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 5: dinner scene. And so a prop house was an amazing

1105
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 5: place for us as a resource. And the biggest one

1106
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 5: of all back in the day was Ellis Mercantile, which

1107
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 5: started back in I guess the early nineteen hundreds during

1108
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 5: Silent Movies. It was started. It was a hardware store

1109
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 5: back in the day, and those silent movie prop guys

1110
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 5: used to go there and rent things from them. That

1111
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 5: turned into one of the biggest prop rental places in Hollywood.

1112
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 5: They eventually got absorbed by the other prop houses and

1113
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 5: again their inventory went up on eBay for sale.

1114
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Oh oh my gosh.

1115
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 5: But you know, we have an ISS. We have the

1116
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 5: Hand Prop Room, which was started by propmaster Alan Levine.

1117
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 5: ISS was started by propmaster Greg Bilson Sr. A lot

1118
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 5: of these guys just basically had so much collection of

1119
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 5: stuff that they decided, Okay, maybe I should start renting

1120
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 5: this stuff, you know, And these have turned into huge

1121
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 5: businesses and the specialty prop houses still exist. I mean

1122
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 5: there's Lenny Marvin Enterprises. Lenny's passed away, but his son

1123
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 5: carries on Lenny was the place you went for gambling equipment,

1124
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 5: I mean, pin machines, slot machines. It's expanded way beyond that,

1125
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 5: I mean. And then there were the other places, the

1126
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 5: ancillary places. Earl Hayes Press, which was a printing place

1127
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 5: which was specifically just for props, and you'd go there

1128
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 5: and you could order license plates and car decals and

1129
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 5: magazines and prescription bottle labels. They had They had drawers

1130
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 5: full of generic labels for canned food because again on

1131
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 5: Boy Meet's World, they Disney did not allow any product placement.

1132
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 5: So anytime we used a can or anything, I'd have

1133
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 5: to go to Earl Hayes Press by a thing that says,

1134
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 5: you know, Johnson's peas or whatever, Johnson's carrots, and we'd

1135
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 5: have to label it. Was a lot of labor intensive

1136
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 5: stuff and they provided all this stuff and it's it's there.

1137
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 5: They're great, great resources, amazing, gosh, I love it.

1138
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think we have gotten to this point

1139
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: in the show yet, but Dedie to Stefano reminded us

1140
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: that she started hiding a red lobster around in different

1141
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: sets near the end of the show.

1142
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: Does this ring any bells? To you and is there

1143
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: any anything you can tell us about that?

1144
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 5: It rings a bell and it's a It's a common thing,

1145
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 5: and I think because we like Ddie so much, we

1146
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 5: didn't care. I mean, we wouldn't normally let people just

1147
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 5: stick things on set because well because we just didn't

1148
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 5: want to have anything accidentally set off anyone's ire. You know,

1149
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 5: it wasn't supposed to be there. But yes, it was

1150
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 5: fun and we've all done that. I mean, we we

1151
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 5: had a rubber chicken. I mean that we used to

1152
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 5: stick in places also.

1153
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: I remember the rubber chicken.

1154
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 5: A while. Rubber chicken would go like in a bookcase

1155
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 5: like where we writers sitting, and he's just had to

1156
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 5: be sticking out. I mean, these are just totally stupid

1157
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 5: jokes that that we would make, you know, And in

1158
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 5: years later, you know, I became a huge doctor who fan,

1159
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 5: so I had a little you know, tartists about this

1160
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 5: big and I used to stick that on people's you know,

1161
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 5: shelves in the background of of sitcoms and stuff. But

1162
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 5: it's a very very common thing on shows.

1163
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: That's who's your favorite doctor?

1164
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 5: Oh, I got to say David Tennant? Okay, Yeah, I

1165
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 5: mean I I am not like fans who don't like

1166
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 5: various people. I love each and every watching in college

1167
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 5: when it was Tom Baker, and then when I got

1168
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 5: back into it and then knew who I went back

1169
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 5: and started watching the ones that I'd never seen as

1170
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 5: a kid. I worked as a volunteer at Gallifray one

1171
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 5: for a number of years. Cool He's the big fan

1172
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 5: convention that they would hold near lax at one of

1173
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 5: the hotels. I did that for a lot of years

1174
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 5: until it became too much like work. And then that

1175
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 5: was a lot of fun and one of my favorite shows.

1176
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: Every Cool One, other thing other outside of Boy Mean's World.

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about. In all the list

1178
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: of amazing movies you've worked on, one of them that

1179
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: jumped out to me was Scrooged with the Bill Murray

1180
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: Christmas Movie.

1181
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 3: Was that a fun movie to do?

1182
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: Considering all the Christmas oriented props you needed?

1183
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 5: It was My mentor, Eric Nelson, was the prop master

1184
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 5: on that, and he hired me as his assistant. And

1185
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 5: it was amazing because I got to meet, I mean,

1186
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 5: a lots of great actors that I'd never met before

1187
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 5: in my life. It was a ton of fun. Bill

1188
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 5: Murray was hysterical. He was hysterical. And Dick Donner, who

1189
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 5: directed it, was even the most bigger than life director

1190
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 5: I've ever met in my life. It was so much fun.

1191
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 5: I mean I never saw Eric. I mean Eric was

1192
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 5: busy all the time. He was kept on his toes constantly.

1193
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 5: So it was me and a couple of other people.

1194
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 5: We ran the set and it was a huge amount

1195
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 5: of work. I mean, I loved the scenes on the

1196
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 5: screwge set, you know where the guys carrying the big

1197
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 5: posts and browning the little mouse, and you know, Bill

1198
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 5: Murray says, staple them on, you know the little mouse.

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01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 5: I'll give you one really quick, very funny Dick Donner

1200
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 5: Bill Murray story. So actors sometimes are reluctant to come

1201
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 5: out of their trailer for one reason or another. We

1202
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 5: were waiting and waiting and waiting for Bill Murray. And

1203
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 5: this was at Paramount on you know Paramount. It was

1204
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 5: very tight together there, you know, the streets, and he

1205
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 5: wouldn't come out. Finally, Dick donnerd got really upset. He yelled,

1206
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 5: gets something, yells to the crew, all right, we're all

1207
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 5: gonna go and get Bill Murray. And he says let's go.

1208
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 5: And he marched. He led the entire crew like a

1209
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 5: hundred people, and his trailer is parked like, you know,

1210
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 5: three blocks away, and we were marching through the studio

1211
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 5: yelling we want Bill, we want Bill, and so loud.

1212
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 5: People were coming out of the offices and buildings to

1213
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 5: what the hell's going on? And we finally appeared at

1214
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 5: his trailer and shouting, and he came out with the

1215
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 5: most waiting grin. I mean, he was like, oh.

1216
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: My god, Oh that's awesome.

1217
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 7: But that's a great move. Oh yeah, yeah, Wow, that's brilliant.

1218
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1219
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: Well, with everything that you have worked on in your

1220
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: very long career, which I know you said you retired

1221
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: seven years ago, I want to ask you about that

1222
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: as well. But did you ever think we would still

1223
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: be talking about Boy Meets World thirty years later?

1224
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 5: Wow? No. In fact, as many people say, at the time,

1225
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 5: it was just another job. It was just another job,

1226
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 5: and it became by the end of the first season

1227
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 5: it was more than a job to me because each

1228
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 5: one of the characters number one, meant so much to

1229
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 5: me that I had to do my best to make

1230
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 5: sure that every prop was perfect for them. But the

1231
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 5: crew and everybody, and I thought, yeah, well, it's a

1232
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 5: good show. I'm glad I'm working on it. And as

1233
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 5: the years went by, after the show is over, I

1234
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: am shocked and amazed by the people. You know, my son,

1235
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 5: who was only like, I think a few years old,

1236
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 5: was a huge Boy Meets World fan. As he got

1237
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 5: older and gave him my Boy Meets World cap, which

1238
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 5: I had at the time, still has it. So yeah,

1239
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 5: I never expected to be talking about it, and in fact,

1240
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 5: I'm very honored to be on a show that is

1241
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 5: still remembered all these years later, because so much of

1242
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 5: what I've worked on was completely forgettable.

1243
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: Well what are you doing now in your retirement? Where

1244
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 3: do you live? What are you doing?

1245
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 5: I still live where I've lived at the time. We

1246
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 5: are all we are all neighbors.

1247
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is insane that we're this close to each

1248
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 6: other and haven't seen it.

1249
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 5: You haven't seen each other at Ralphs or Whole.

1250
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: Food Large or Trader Joe's.

1251
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: Come on.

1252
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 5: But I about three years before I retired, I started

1253
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 5: volunteering for an animal rescue called Best Friends Animal Society.

1254
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 3: I know best Friends very well.

1255
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 5: I only had enough time to volunteer, like one day

1256
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 5: a week, and I did that. When I finally reached retirement,

1257
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 5: I decided this is my thing. I really like this,

1258
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 5: and I started volunteering about three to four days a

1259
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 5: week with best Friends. And at the time, I had

1260
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 5: very little experience with dogs. I had cats all my

1261
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 5: life and big dogs I was scared of. And they

1262
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 5: have amazing training, amazing training. So I went through many, many,

1263
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 5: many hours of training with them and learned how to

1264
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 5: handle every kind of dog and every kind of temperament.

1265
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 5: And the best part about that I enjoyed working with

1266
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 5: best Friends, besides doing all the adoptions and the dog walking,

1267
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 5: is because of my media experience, I kind of was

1268
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 5: able to be hooked up with the PR people and

1269
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 5: the social media people, and I was able to do

1270
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 5: quite a lot of shoots with them as a dog hander,

1271
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 5: and every now and then, you know, I got to

1272
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 5: be on camera and just talk about a dog. We

1273
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 5: did one show for Animal Planet called Give a Dog

1274
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 5: a Home Live, and I was basically a dog handler,

1275
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 5: but I got to sit in a couple of times

1276
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 5: and talk about dogs. Then Best Friends eventually they decided

1277
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 5: to move and downsize their shelter and they moved to

1278
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 5: West l A and West LA. Just as much as

1279
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 5: I love the organization, it was a little bit geographically

1280
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 5: unacceptable because it was just taking so long to get

1281
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 5: up and back. The other group that moved into the shelter,

1282
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 5: which is in Mission Hills where Best Friends was, is

1283
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 5: called Pause for Life.

1284
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 6: That's where I got my dog. Oh my god, my

1285
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 6: dog is from Pause for Life. We go up there

1286
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 6: and we take classes there all the time. We got

1287
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 6: Sammy from there three years ago. Yeah, I know she was.

1288
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 6: She was trained by the prisoners in the Lancaster State

1289
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 6: Prison and has been our pride and joy.

1290
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: We are a huge Pause for Life fans.

1291
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 5: Dog.

1292
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: She's she's a mutt, she's mostly a cattle dog. Her

1293
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 2: name name is Samy. She was there for a long time.

1294
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: You know her name was back then it was always Sammy.

1295
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 6: We kept it yep. So yes, no, she's been our

1296
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 6: pride and joy. So we are big, big fans of

1297
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 6: Pause for Life.

1298
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 5: It's a totally different kind of organization and how they

1299
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 5: run it, but the bottom line is they are a nonprofit,

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Speaker 5: no kill organization, which is my thing. Because of the

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Speaker 5: specific facility that we work in that Best Friends had leased.

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Speaker 5: The building is in Mission Hills kind of right down

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Speaker 5: the street from the San Fernando Mission and it is

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01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 5: a huge facility. It was built as the seventh Los

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01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 5: Angeles City Animal shelter about eleven years ago and it

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Speaker 5: was never opened, I'm assuming for financial reasons, and it

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01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 5: sat empty for several years. And Best Friends, which was

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Speaker 5: headquartered in Canab, Utah at the time, they sent staff here,

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 5: took over the building and then ran that building for

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Speaker 5: almost ten years and now best Friends is nationwide. But

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Speaker 5: the specific thing with that building is is because it's

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Speaker 5: owned by the City of Los Angeles. Our task is

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Speaker 5: to rescue animals only from the city of La So

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Speaker 5: we are an overflow because they're a way I don't

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Speaker 5: know what the percentage is, but they are way over capacity.

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Speaker 5: They have more dogs than they have room for, so

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Speaker 5: they house two or three to a kennel. Sometimes they

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Speaker 5: do the best they can, but it's very hard. So

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Speaker 5: with the team that goes and rescues dogs from the

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Speaker 5: city shelters, and we have a capacity of about one

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty dogs at our place. So for every

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Speaker 5: dog that we rescue from La City, that saves another

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Speaker 5: life because it makes room for them to bring in

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Speaker 5: one more dog, and then when our dogs get adopted,

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Speaker 5: that saves yet another life because when a dog of

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Speaker 5: ours gets adopted, we have room to bring in another dog.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, for me, I think if I had

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Speaker 5: discovered this thirty five years ago, it might have been

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Speaker 5: my calling, you know, but I didn't discover it till

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Speaker 5: late in life. And I used to go four to

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Speaker 5: five days a week. I'm down to about three now

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 5: because my back basically hurts. You know, when I think

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Speaker 5: that I used to be able to stand for fourteen

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Speaker 5: hours at a show and now, you know, three hours

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Speaker 5: of walking dogs, I usually get in about fifteen thousand steps.

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Speaker 5: So that is what I do mainly. The rest of

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 5: the time, I'm with my wife and I have three dogs,

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01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 5: and you know, I spend time with my family and friends.

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 5: But that is my reason for getting up every day,

1340
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 5: is the Dug shelter because my mantra is that those

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01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 5: dogs won't walk themselves, and you know, we have to

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01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 5: get out there and we have to give them the

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01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 5: best possible life that they can have while they are

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 5: in a shelter because they're all suffering from fear, anxiety

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01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 5: or stress. And our job as staff and volunteers. Is

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 5: to let them be a dog. Is to get them

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01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 5: out to have a walk, to sniff, go to playgroup,

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,520
Speaker 5: meet other dogs, to get rid of that fear and anxiety.

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Speaker 5: And that's that's my mission now in life.

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Speaker 2: Well they are.

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Speaker 6: They are a wonderful organization and Sammy has been an

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 6: absolute joy for us.

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Speaker 2: We are so happy. Yeah, absolutely happy.

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01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 3: That's so great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My final question for you is if anyone is listening

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01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: today and is interested in getting into the into props,

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01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: prop mastering, the art department for film or TV. It's

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01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 1: not an aspect of our industry that is usually you know,

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: often talked about in such detail. What would you recommend

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 1: they do to learn more or to get their foot

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01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: in the door.

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Speaker 5: Props is a job for people that are obsessive compulsives.

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 5: Number one, you have to be extremely detail oriented, and

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01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 5: you have to be goal oriented, and you have to

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01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 5: be extremely persistent. So those are just personality factors. It's

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 5: right thing to do with skill. I'm getting jobs in

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 5: any action of the movie business is a matter of

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 5: persistence because especially now when it's so challenging with the

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01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 5: slowdown and work. But for people wanting to do props

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01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 5: for me. I did go to college. It wasn't necessary

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Speaker 5: to get a job. I mean I graduated from cal

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01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 5: State Northwiche with a bachelor's and Radio TV Film broadcasting.

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 5: But what going to college did teach me was it

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01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 5: gave me a broad view of literature and geography and

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 5: science and etc. So that when something comes up in

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01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 5: a script, I would know that you know who wrote

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01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 5: Gone with the Wind, Or I would know who wrote

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 5: But because every week there was a book of the

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01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 5: week in Phoenie's class, you know there was something book

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01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 5: and this would come up and I'd have to know

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01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 5: enough about that. So getting a good education is important.

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01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 5: College is not specifically necessary, but having a good set

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01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 5: of skills, being good with your hands in terms of

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 5: simply arts and crafts. You don't have to be a

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01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 5: carpenter or a builder. I mean I am not a carpenter,

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01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 5: although I've built many many things throughout my career on

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 5: various shows. But I know how to get things done,

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01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 5: and that is the key thing is if you can

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01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 5: make it yourself, if you have that skill. If not,

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01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 5: I've got to have the creativity to be able to

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01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 5: explain to somebody with much more talent than me. How

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01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 5: to create the vision of the producer or the director.

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01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 5: But in general, be persistent. If you're out there and

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01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 5: you want to do props, do it. The best way

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 5: is to start. You can start in community theater, college theater,

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,440
Speaker 5: high school theater. I mean, learn about learn and appreciate

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01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 5: those backstage people because when I was a kid actor,

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01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 5: I had no clue how anything got there. I had

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01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 5: no clue.

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01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 3: And sounds familiar.

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, magical elves, magical elves.

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01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 5: And to have some respect for like, well, how did

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01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 5: they come up with that? Or where did they come

1405
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 5: and to you know, ask questions and you know, find

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01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 5: a mentor. I mean, even if you don't get hired

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 5: right away. You know, because of the Internet now it's

1408
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 5: easily too easy to connect with people, especially through IMDb

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01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,959
Speaker 5: I get. I mean not so much now as I've retired,

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 5: but I would always get many, many, many emails from

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01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 5: people say how do I do this? And I always

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01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 5: took the time to talk to them and send them

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01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 5: emails and give them advice and encouragement. Because if we

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01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 5: don't have the next generation, we don't have an eat

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01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 5: you know.

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, absolutely. Are you still in touch with Mark Pobson?

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 5: No, I haven't seen Mark in years. He retired, they

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01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 5: moved to Big Bear, and I'm not even sure what

1419
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 5: he's doing. I did see him, I mean a number

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01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 5: of times after that, but he retired, and then Hector

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 5: went on to become a prop master, so that's why

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01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 5: he left. And then we had if you remember, Pete

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01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 5: Tulo worked with us for a while and Pete eventually

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01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 5: got out of the film business he did not like it.

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 5: So yeah, I've had some great assistance through the years.

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01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, thank you so much for joining us, David.

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: It was so good to see you, so great to

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01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: hear your stories, your experiences.

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: It's just been an absolute pleasure, So thank you for

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01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 3: joining us.

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01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 5: I just want to say one thing. One of my

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01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 5: biggest joys on this show was we started with eleven

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01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 5: year old kids who came with their moms to hurt

1434
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 5: to work, and by the time it was over, y'all

1435
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 5: had cars and drivers license, were flying all over the world.

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01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 5: And that was a privilege to see you guys grow up.

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01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 3: That was really Thank you so much.

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01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 5: Thank you Thank you for man, Thank you care.

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01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: We'll see you around town.

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 3: I'll see you to see you a trader Joe's yeah too, but.

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01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you be man so cool.

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01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 7: Gosh, I could talk like props and behind the scenes

1443
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 7: stuff all day. I just said, all of it's so

1444
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 7: fascinating to me.

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01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 6: I am so utterly pissed that Disney Soul all that

1446
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 6: stuff and we didn't we didn't know about it. Can

1447
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,959
Speaker 6: you imagine having gone there and see some of the

1448
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 6: the amazing pieces of Hollywood history that you could own

1449
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 6: by being Oh, it's killing me.

1450
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 5: It's killing me.

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01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 7: One of my favorite memories and in life actually, or

1452
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 7: just favorite spaces I've ever been into. I did the

1453
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 7: graduate in Perth at this theater called His Majesty's Theater,

1454
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 7: one of these old you know, Australian theaters and very

1455
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 7: old school and giant, and we you know, we did

1456
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 7: the play for three months and the last week, you know,

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 7: we got to know the crew very well. And last

1458
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 7: week the crew said we'd like to have you down

1459
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 7: for drinks at our bar and we were like, what

1460
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 7: a do you tight?

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01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 6: You?

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01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 7: The cast was like, what do you mean? They're like, well,

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01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 7: we don't really spread the word because it's our spot.

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01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 7: But underneath this theater, like three levels down, we have

1465
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 7: our bar, our speakeasy that we run, and they invited

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01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 7: us down after a show and it was they had

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 7: collected objects and props deep down under the theater from

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 7: you know, one hundred years of theater history to build

1469
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 7: this beautiful bar. So it was like all these objects

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01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 7: from different eras. They had one of those old school

1471
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 7: thunder machines like they used to have to roll over,

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01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 7: so it was it was, but it was just it's

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01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 7: like one of the cool and we all just had

1474
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 7: drinks in this you know, you know, it's a big space,

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01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 7: but it was just so cool to have like the

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01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 7: Western things, the Victorian stuff like from whatever era or

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01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 7: from whatever, you know, the Space age stuff, all the

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01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 7: different plays that they had done over the years. They

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01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 7: kept certain things and built this giant bar. It was

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01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 7: so cool. And that's a way like prophouses feel, you know.

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 7: It's just like it's just a mishmash of like so

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 7: many different ideas and spaces and time periods and it's

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 7: so cool.

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01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 5: You love all that stuff.

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