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Speaker 1: We came home. When I came home from Indie on Friday,

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Speaker 1: there till Mark till May for a while. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. I'm John Murphy, the Steve Tasker. Happy to

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Speaker 1: have you with us here today on this Tuesday. We

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Speaker 1: away March sixteenth and eighteenth. To start, you can designate

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Speaker 1: Teams are sort of positioning, they're just kind of jockeying

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Speaker 1: what their focus should be. Good conversation with Lorenzo Alexander

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Speaker 1: Today is a day where Bills players are getting together

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Speaker 1: Bill's players discussing today. There's word may they meaning the

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Speaker 1: Andrew Brandt, frequent visitor to this show, makes a very

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Speaker 1: Why are the owners telling players, look, you better give

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Speaker 1: But I don't. I think it's sort of artificial deadline.

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Speaker 1: done next year. There is some from what I've read,

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Speaker 1: there is some legal precedent for this, because if if

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Speaker 1: So you're right, it is early to get it done.

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Speaker 1: the draft to come April twenty third. Our Twitter poll

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Speaker 1: today asked this question, what's the most important move for

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo defense this offseason and why? We know they

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Speaker 1: need offensive help. They know they're gonna sign We believe

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Speaker 1: they're gonna sign offensive players, some playmakers and probably draft them.

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Speaker 1: But what about the defensive side of the ball for

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Speaker 1: the Bills. What's the most significant thing they can do

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Speaker 1: this offseason. The most important offseason move for the Bills

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Speaker 1: defense this offseason? What do you think it is? Is

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Speaker 1: it extend for Davious White? Forty eight percent of you

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Speaker 1: say that's it extend Tordavious White, the cornerback who would

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Speaker 1: be a free agent after this coming year. Is it

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Speaker 1: acquire an elite pass rusher. We talked about that a

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Speaker 1: lot yesterday. Drafting an edge rusher, maybe signing an edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: There's a need for more sacks, more pass rush pressure.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that should be the number one priority for the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo defenses offseason, acquiring an elite pass rusher. Thirty nine

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Speaker 1: percent of you say that's the need. Seven percent say

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Speaker 1: short up linebacker needs. What kind of needs do they have? Well,

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Speaker 1: got to replace Lorenzo Alexander on one side. You know

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Speaker 1: they've got good backups there, but they're backups, right, Julian

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Speaker 1: Stanford and Thompson and people like that. They're backups. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they should show up linebacker. Seven percent of you say

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Speaker 1: that's what they should look for. Six percent have something

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Speaker 1: else in mind. Four hundred or more votes in already,

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Speaker 1: let's hear a phone call from you. Give us a

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Speaker 1: call at eight three five fifty toll free one eight

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Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Send it a

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Speaker 1: tweet for the tweet sheet voting the Twitter poll. Look,

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Speaker 1: we know the offense needs help. They cannot ignore the defense, right,

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Speaker 1: Let's acknowledge that. What do you think the most important

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Speaker 1: move for the Buffalo defense is this offseason and why?

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Speaker 1: Eight three five fifty toll free one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: on that. I'm tempted to say, extend Tredavious White. I

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Speaker 1: think that'll happen. I think I'd like to get it

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Speaker 1: done before the next season begins, because every day that

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Speaker 1: passes with another strong year coming up from Tredevious White,

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Speaker 1: his leverage, his cost increases. But I think more importantly

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Speaker 1: now is acquiring an elite pass rusher. Getting a really

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Speaker 1: good pass rusher for a defense that has been without

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Speaker 1: one now for a couple of years and has maintained

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Speaker 1: itself as a top five NFL defense despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that they have not had an elite pass rusher. That

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Speaker 1: would be my number one priority, acquire an elite pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: What about you, um tasker, Mister tasker, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I'm there yet, I understand the need for you'd

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Speaker 1: love to see a guy out there at an elite

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Speaker 1: pass rusher. I think Tardavious White is where I would go,

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Speaker 1: because this is a team that was it was an

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Speaker 1: elite defense last year in the league and one of

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Speaker 1: the top one, two or three teams in the league

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Speaker 1: on defense last year without a pass rusher. Do that again.

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Speaker 1: You've proven that you need coverage in the back end

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Speaker 1: with Power and Hyde and Tardavious White. Get another corner

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Speaker 1: signed Tredavious make sure he's on the on the payroll.

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Speaker 1: Reward him. He's been one of those guys that this

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Speaker 1: coach and this general well, this coach drafted. He's done

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Speaker 1: everything you've asked him to do. Reward him and send

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Speaker 1: a message throughout the locker room that if you do

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Speaker 1: everything right on the field and off the field and

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Speaker 1: every way, shape and form that club asked you to

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Speaker 1: and if you're productive, you're gonna get rewarded. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I would mind if they gave Tredavious White a high

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Speaker 1: dollar deal. I wouldn't even I wouldn't even say a

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Speaker 1: market setting deal, but certainly in the top five or

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Speaker 1: ten cornerbacks in the class and guarantee every cent of

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Speaker 1: it so he'll take it. That's the message that is

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Speaker 1: sent throughout the locker room that if you produce and

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Speaker 1: you do everything on the field, and you do everything

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Speaker 1: off the field, and you're everything they ask you to be,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get the money you want. Not only that,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're gonna get it no matter what.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's one way to get Tredavious White

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Speaker 1: on a deal that's way more affordable because you guarantee

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Speaker 1: a larger percentage of it for him and he knows

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Speaker 1: that he's going to get taken care of. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's the way to do it, and that's what

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Speaker 1: I would do. This defense has been good, now it's

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Speaker 1: been better than good. It's been fantastic. And you've never

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Speaker 1: had an elite pass rusher, so why you need one?

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Speaker 1: Now do it the same way you've been doing it.

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Speaker 1: Rotate those guys through it. Keep eight guys fresh and

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Speaker 1: healthy on the defensive line. Make sure you replace the

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Speaker 1: pieces that are gone, but you don't have to break

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Speaker 1: the bank up there. Spend the money you have to,

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Speaker 1: but you're spending on eight guys not one. So that's

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Speaker 1: my philosophy. On the guys up front, I would say, signs,

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Speaker 1: keep your culture going, do what you gotta do to

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Speaker 1: get him going, and keep doing the defense like you

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Speaker 1: have been. You make a really good point. You almost

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Speaker 1: have me convinced, almost, And here's what got me. What's

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Speaker 1: the hole in my argument? Let me give you, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not a hole. But let me give you what

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Speaker 1: was the most convincing part of your argument, and that

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Speaker 1: was the message that will be sent to the rest

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Speaker 1: of that locker room. Look, here's a guy we drafted,

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Speaker 1: we've developed him, but look, he's been a great a

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Speaker 1: citizen in the community. He's been a good actor, he's

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Speaker 1: been a good teammate, hasn't been hurt for the most part,

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Speaker 1: produce and he's producer's at an elite level every year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think that message would be good to reinforce. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: to reward Tredavius and lock him down here, that's important,

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Speaker 1: but to reins that notion of we keep our own.

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Speaker 1: If we like you and you do a good job

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Speaker 1: and you don't act up, we're gonna keep you here.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be a really strong message that

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Speaker 1: said that's why I like that. I almost almost ready

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Speaker 1: to switch. Almost. Yeah, you don't have any holds in

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Speaker 1: your Argumentum, No, you don't about the What about the

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Speaker 1: way the defense has been constructed has been so good anyway? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the whole that's the disagreement I would have there.

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Speaker 1: They're so good now that they don't need a pass rusher. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. There have been games, let's

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Speaker 1: face it, where they could use a little more pass

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Speaker 1: rushing russer, and I think they've missed that from time

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Speaker 1: to time. And it's the top five defense has been

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Speaker 1: for three years now. They've been really good defensively, but

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be nice to have a guy again.

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Speaker 1: And Jerry Hughes, who provides a lot of that pass

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Speaker 1: rushing now is getting older. It'd be nice to have

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Speaker 1: a guy who provides that sort of pass rusher. They're

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Speaker 1: going to have to replenish, there's no question about it,

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Speaker 1: because it's not just about one elite pass rusher they got,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Phillips, shack Lawson. Jerry Hughes is long

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Speaker 1: in the tooth. Trent Murphy's in the last year of

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Speaker 1: his contract. I mean goodness. You know that's that's those

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Speaker 1: are contributors. So you gotta and I'm not just saying

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Speaker 1: it just to be saying it, but you gotta at

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Speaker 1: least fill your roster out, you know, I mean they

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Speaker 1: got I mean who they gonna line up with, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a big question. Trent Murphy and Jerry

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Speaker 1: and Starlow to Lelay and Harrison Phillips comes back. Well,

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Speaker 1: you need four more guys the way they run their defense,

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Speaker 1: you four and more guys. You got Ed Oliver, there's five. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know that ain't enough. You need eight guys on

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Speaker 1: this defense the way they run their philosophy in there,

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Speaker 1: and you lost the top sack Getter. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: if the free agents are gone, if Shock's gone, if

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips is gone, they can sign or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: for right now they're not. So you gotta find a

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Speaker 1: way to get some guys back on the field that

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Speaker 1: will make up for that production loss and take snaps,

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Speaker 1: you know, take snaps for these guys. You know, Trent

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Speaker 1: Murphy took as many snaps as any defensive lineman in

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Speaker 1: the league in the game on the team, and he

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Speaker 1: took like sixty percent. So it's a big rotation group there.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have enough guys to do that, and you

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Speaker 1: can't just you know, Charlie six packing and Billy bag

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Speaker 1: of Donuts ain't gonna get it done right. Most important

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Speaker 1: move the Bills for the Bills defensive off season. What

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Speaker 1: do you think it is? Give us a call eight

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Speaker 1: O three oh five fifty toll free from outside Buffalo

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Have

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Speaker 1: a call on the line from Kevin and Hamburg. Hello Kevin,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, guys, how are you doing? Thanks for taking

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Speaker 1: my call. You're welcome. I was watching something I don't

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Speaker 1: understand CBA in all the politics, so I put the

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Speaker 1: channel real fast. The Browns said they would like to

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Speaker 1: trade Obj for a good trade and that he needs

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Speaker 1: a good structure. He's a good receiver. They needs structure.

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Speaker 1: And we got structure with Bean and made Dermott and

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Speaker 1: Pagoula that Cleveland has never ever really had, and neither

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Speaker 1: of the Giants whenever we got him, and then could

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Speaker 1: get a draft guy as Russia in the draft. I

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Speaker 1: don't see it happening. I guess anything's possible, but I

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Speaker 1: don't see it happened to him not a fit for

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Speaker 1: what the Bills are trying to do here. What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Steve Well? I get what you're saying, Kevin

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Speaker 1: and on at one level, it makes sense. You want

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Speaker 1: to get a great player, and you're better with great

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Speaker 1: players on your team. Man, Obj's a really great player.

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Speaker 1: He's a dynamic four three fast, great route run. He's

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Speaker 1: everything that you would want across from John Brown and

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley and Murph and I have had this conversation

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Speaker 1: a ton and maybe on the show, but I know

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Speaker 1: in private where and I'm not saying thing again bad

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Speaker 1: against ob J. He's a great player, but he's had

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Speaker 1: some controversies swirl around him a lot of times. He's

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Speaker 1: a guy who likes the spotlight and sometimes to me,

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Speaker 1: likes the spotlight more than he likes scoring touchdowns. But

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you want a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: like the Bills are trying to fill their roster out

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Speaker 1: with guys that are solid citizens, Trey Whites, Tremaine Edmonds,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's he's got you know, Devin Singletra. You can

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Speaker 1: go down the list, Harrison Phillips, Micah Hide, Jordan Point,

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Speaker 1: go down the list. These are all solid eyes in

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Speaker 1: the locker room leaders, mature guys, and I don't know that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just going by reputation that OBJ fits into that.

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Speaker 1: But and here's the thing, he's really good. And I

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Speaker 1: know this too. On a fifty three man roster, you

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Speaker 1: can handle less than a handful of knuckle heads, because

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Speaker 1: it's hard to get fifty three guys that are like

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Speaker 1: I'm describing with the rest of the guys on the roster,

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Speaker 1: but a couple of them can be knuckle heads. And

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Speaker 1: those good guys in the locker room kind of envelop him,

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Speaker 1: put their arms around him and kind of bring him along.

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Speaker 1: If the if the if Brandon Bean Sean McDermott think, well,

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Speaker 1: we think we can absorb ob J, give him some

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Speaker 1: opportunity and keep him between the lines, and we think

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Speaker 1: he could help us, well, then I think I would

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Speaker 1: trust him. But that's my concern. I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's happening. I don't either. I don't either.

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Speaker 1: I mean once time talking about it right now, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's hard to to get your mind around that.

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Speaker 1: Got a break here, come back and join us on

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Speaker 1: the conversation talking about the Bills defense. What's the one

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Speaker 1: move they need to make this offseason defensively? We offered

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Speaker 1: a couple of suggestions on our Twitter poll. Maybe got

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Speaker 1: something better? Give us a call. Eight three fifty toll

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Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: It's one Bills Live, presented by Kalaida Health from the

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Speaker 1: Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Tuesday edition of One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: John Murphy Steve Pasterers talking about the Buffalo defense at

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Speaker 1: length today, and we want to hear from you. What

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Speaker 1: do you think of our question and what would be

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Speaker 1: your answer to our question? What's the most important move

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Speaker 1: the Bills need to make this offseason? Is it resigning

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Speaker 1: Tredevious White? Is it acquiring a big time pass rusher?

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Speaker 1: Is it showing up linebacker and position? Something else? Give

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Speaker 1: us a call. Eight h three five fifty toll free

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Jason

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Speaker 1: lacon For from CBS Sports dot Com coming up at one,

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Speaker 1: Peter King from NBC coming up at two. Isn't there

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Speaker 1: somebody from ABC we could get? Get a couple of

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Speaker 1: a couple of phone calls here, Bill and Henry had

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Speaker 1: a Hello, Bill, you're on the air. Hey guys, how

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Speaker 1: are you good? I have a quick question for you, Um,

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Speaker 1: the free agents friends, who's gonna be starting in a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Um, and I have a friend that's

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Speaker 1: Dale's Cowboys fan. He told me they're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to Floord Byron Johnson picked cornerback Byron Jones. Well,

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Speaker 1: i'd like yeah, Byron Jones, that's it. Um, I would

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Speaker 1: like your thoughts on if he doesn't become a free agent.

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Speaker 1: He's never had any problems on the field or off

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Speaker 1: the field issues. He fits the Bill's culture, and I

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Speaker 1: think he'd be a good addition to have next to

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Speaker 1: t White. With high deployer in the back end, we'd

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Speaker 1: have one of the best, if not the best secondary

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Speaker 1: in the league. If that where they happen. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure how much money he's gonna want. I want your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I'll hang up and listen. All right, they already have

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Speaker 1: one of the better secondaries in the league. And now

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Speaker 1: are you gonna pay him in for Davious White? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they should extend Turdavious, no question. But I

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Speaker 1: think you're right in one thing, Bill, I don't know

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Speaker 1: who it's going to be, whether it's a kid from

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Speaker 1: Dallas or somebody else that's out there. They're gonna upgrade

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Speaker 1: their secondary if they can. They would love to have

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Speaker 1: another high quality corner across from Todavias White. Kevin Johnson

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Speaker 1: was okay, Levi Wallace is good. They rotated in and

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Speaker 1: out during the year, But I think there's no question

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Speaker 1: this is a defensive philosophy. In my mind, that is

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Speaker 1: all about the corners. You gotta have guys that can

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Speaker 1: cover them up. Now. They don't have them play man

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Speaker 1: to man a lot, and there are different cornerback styles

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Speaker 1: where you've got a guy who's really good in zone

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Speaker 1: and good in man but better in one or can

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Speaker 1: play both to a high degree. Turdavious White is one

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Speaker 1: of those guys. But I think you're right. I think

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Speaker 1: the Bills are well aware of who what cornerback free

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Speaker 1: agents are going to be out there, and I think

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Speaker 1: they're hot on the trail of somebody they think can

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Speaker 1: help them. And whether it's a Byron Jones from the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys or somebody else from another team. I think

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Speaker 1: they're all in about that. I think you know, let's

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Speaker 1: face it, they had a really good defensive year last year.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be really hard to duplicate it. There's gonna

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to get some new faces, and

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Speaker 1: they're starting eleven to make it happen, and it starts

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Speaker 1: for me. It's it's It remains to be seen in

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Speaker 1: free agency, but you can bet I think they'll sign

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Speaker 1: a corner in free agent. They're gonna have to get

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Speaker 1: new faces to what be as good as they were

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Speaker 1: last year. Well, they're gonna have to well not only

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get new faces to be as good,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to get new faces that produce

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Speaker 1: to be as good. But so, yeah, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some new faces on their defense, and if they want

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Speaker 1: their defense to continue, they're gonna have to. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to pay some guys to come in and help.

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Speaker 1: They're getting rid of some quality players and some guys

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Speaker 1: that have got some bring something to the table. They

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Speaker 1: were on a really good defense last year and they've

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Speaker 1: got you know, Jordan Phillips was good down the list again.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips, Shack Lawson, and Kevin Johnson all gonna be

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Speaker 1: free agents, pending free agents. If none of those guys

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Speaker 1: come back, there's three starters that are real contributors you

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Speaker 1: got to replace. So you know they got they're on

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Speaker 1: it already. I'm sure they've got a list of guys,

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Speaker 1: they think, a short list of keep people at each

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Speaker 1: of those spots that they're going to probably investigate during

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Speaker 1: free agency. I just think it's crazy to lock all

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Speaker 1: your money up in corners. You know, to have Tevious,

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Speaker 1: This guy Byron Jones, the spot track forecast for him

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Speaker 1: is fourteen million per year average rry Turnevious is going

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Speaker 1: to be at least that, if not more. How much

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Speaker 1: money you want to spend on corners? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's the thing I think they got by icy with

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Speaker 1: Levi Wallace and Kevin Johnson. I think my gut feeling

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Speaker 1: is they are going to sign a corner. They are

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Speaker 1: going to sign a couple of defensive linemen. They are

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Speaker 1: going to sign some linebackers, and there'll be one or

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Speaker 1: two of those positions that signed pretty hefty deals. The

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Speaker 1: rest of them are gonna be in the six seven,

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Speaker 1: eight million bucks a year range, and you're gonna they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be guys that are like, who's that, who's he

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Speaker 1: play for? You know, it's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: household name, But they're gonna be guys that the Bills

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Speaker 1: have scouted, have targeted and know that they're gonna give

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Speaker 1: those guys a contract that's really enticing for those guys,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna give them a chance to live up

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Speaker 1: to it. Like John Brown, like Cole Beasley, well like

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Speaker 1: Trent Murphy, all these guys that they've signed and Micah Hyde,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Poyard, those guys have really lived up to their contracts.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of the level you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get in free agency for the most part from the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. I think they probably will have one or

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Speaker 1: two guys they think are really important and maybe jump

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Speaker 1: up into those eight figures like ten million plus dollars deals.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna get a bunch of Well,

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Speaker 1: how about a pass rusher, you said, but fifteen minutes ago,

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Speaker 1: you didn't want to spend money to get a pick listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where their thoughts are that they may

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Speaker 1: think differently than they may have a guy out there

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Speaker 1: that they can do that with. But a ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars pass rusher isn't joannicking Goquay. Who's gonna get nineteen

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Speaker 1: million a year? You know what I'm saying, right, But

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Speaker 1: my point isn't about in Gockway. It's about that position

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Speaker 1: and the value. They're not going to go out and

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Speaker 1: spend twenty million bucks on a pass rusher. They might

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Speaker 1: they might go ten million, though, and that's a big

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Speaker 1: number for this team. Yeah, let's go to a John

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Speaker 1: in Lockport. Hello, John, you're on the air. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. Sure, how you guys doing good?

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Speaker 1: One take? You know, besides the obvious of receiver, linebacker

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Speaker 1: at rusher, you know all those needs we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about, you know, being in McDermott's plan is you know,

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Speaker 1: you do good on and off the field. You know,

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Speaker 1: you live up to your contract and everything. One worries.

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Speaker 1: Something that I have is Jordan Poyer being in his

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Speaker 1: last year of his contract, you know, and he's been

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Speaker 1: a guy that's done everything on and off the field.

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Speaker 1: My opinion, he's totally outworked his contract. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: year he's set to make the most out of all

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Speaker 1: the years he's been here and it's only four million

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Speaker 1: his first two years with only two and three million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that we, you know, should sign

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Speaker 1: him now before you let him be unrestricted at the

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Speaker 1: end of the year. Because one thing besides you know,

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Speaker 1: him playing good is the relationship that he has what

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Speaker 1: Micah Hide, I mean sometimes it's hard to just get

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Speaker 1: that chemistry, you know, being good friends and knowing what

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Speaker 1: each other's doing at all times, you know what I

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Speaker 1: mean that I feel like that's one of our biggest

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Speaker 1: strong suit of our defense, is our safeties, being able

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Speaker 1: to disguise things. I mean, it's not just sure Davis White,

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Speaker 1: you know, he is amazing, But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're confused in the quarterback's mind with the

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Speaker 1: way we're in coverage with our you know, yeah, yeah, John,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you what I think. The question, maybe

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Speaker 1: the central question is Jordan Poyer is twenty nine, will

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Speaker 1: be thirty years old next next year, is a free

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Speaker 1: agent if he hits free agency. So is that a

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Speaker 1: problem for you? Do you want to tie him up

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Speaker 1: long term with a big deal at age thirty? See,

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Speaker 1: that's like the only thing I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: would give him a you know, a five year deal

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Speaker 1: or something. You know, give him a two or three

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Speaker 1: year deal, but you know, make the first year or

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Speaker 1: two kind of uploaded with more money, right, yep, based

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Speaker 1: on you know, paying for what you've done. But also

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Speaker 1: we're not locked in long term, you know, take care

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Speaker 1: of him for a year or two because he's outperformed

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Speaker 1: the contract that we got when we was from the

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Speaker 1: Brown So yep. And I think that's a big question

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Speaker 1: with Jordan Poyer, and I agree with everything else you said.

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Speaker 1: I think he's an essential part of his defense. He's

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber. Was he an alternate Pro Bowl alternate

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Speaker 1: last year? I don't know that he was should have been.

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Speaker 1: I think he was at least as valuable as Micah Hyde.

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Speaker 1: The two are almost interchangeable back there, and they certainly

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Speaker 1: are a great compatible team back there. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a critical part of the Buffalo defense. Cap it this

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Speaker 1: year four million dollars, it's the last year of his contract,

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Speaker 1: becomes an unrestricted free agent next year. I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I would get to work on a new deal for Poyer.

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Speaker 1: You don't know how long you want to risk losing

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Speaker 1: you know those two because you know, for the way

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Speaker 1: they played, it might be hard to do a plug

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Speaker 1: and play. Guys, You're exactly right, and you're getting, you know,

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Speaker 1: and talking about this year is starting to get how

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Speaker 1: many irons the Bills having the fire this year? Um

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Speaker 1: Murph and I have talked a lot, and there was

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Speaker 1: an article out from news or a story out from

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Speaker 1: Channel four, you know about the Bills extending Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: They've got a lot of people who have come in

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Speaker 1: and done some really good stuff for the franchise in

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Speaker 1: the last three or four years. And now you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to start picking and choosing and finding ways to

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Speaker 1: keep the guys that are most important. Jordan Poorium, Micah Hyde,

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Speaker 1: Trdavious White, Tremaidan Edmunds, Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean.

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Speaker 1: You're getting, you know, and you want to keep guys

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Speaker 1: like all these guys in the in the family. But

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Speaker 1: once you start paying guys like that, now you can't

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Speaker 1: find other guys who can help those guys be successful.

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Speaker 1: You can't sign guys like Cole Beasley, John Brown and

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Speaker 1: all these guys, you know, they you got to find

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Speaker 1: new faces and new names, and the more guys who

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Speaker 1: have helped you win, the more guys you got to pay,

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Speaker 1: and the more guys you'd like to keep. But like

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Speaker 1: I we've said time and time again, you know, the

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Speaker 1: bills don't get outside the lines. Financially. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the been one of the keys to their rapid rise

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Speaker 1: and success in their turnaround. But it also gets to

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Speaker 1: the point where unfortunately, really good fun guys we like

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Speaker 1: and have a lot of love and respect for you

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Speaker 1: got to say goodbye to. That's hard, that's hard to do.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips may be one of them. You're not advocating

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Speaker 1: seeing goodbye to Jordan Porter No, But what if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to sign a deal and wants to hit

848
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Speaker 1: the free agency, You know, then you gotta you can't. Well,

849
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: he could just say no, no, I'm good, or you

850
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Speaker 1: say here's the deal we're offering, and like I said,

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00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: you make it enticing for him, you front endload. You

852
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: give him some money this year, and you guarantee it

853
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: some of it so he wants to stick around for

854
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: another and you don't have to he's twenty nine. Extend

855
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: him for two exty two years. Yeah, this year next

856
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: year and the year after, and then he'll be thirty

857
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Speaker 1: one thirty two, and then you know the scenery might

858
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: be different. Hey, we'll take a breakcare When we come back,

859
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: we'll get to the tweet sheet. We will take more

860
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: phone calls too. What's the most important move for the

861
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: Buffalo defense to make this offseason? You can call us

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Speaker 1: up at eight O three five fifty outside Buffalo toll

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Speaker 1: Jason Lockhon four of CBS Sports coming up at one.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back One does Live, John Murphy, Steve Tasker, Goal

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. We got Jason Lockhon four

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Speaker 1: coming up at one. Question of the day. The most

871
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: important move the Bills need to make on their defense

872
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: this year? What do you think it is? Here's a

873
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: call from Gary on his cell phone. Hello, Gary, you're

874
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: on the air. Go ahead, Hey guys, how y'all doing

875
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: real good? Um? I want a defensive end. I mean,

876
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: I know it's the cost but we need it defensive

877
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: end those corners and want to make the corners of

878
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: safety is better, you know, obviously, I mean we're gonna

879
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: have to do it. Um, I don't know if they're

880
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: gonna get in a draft or free agency. If I'll

881
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: go to say free agency. Maybe one that I like

882
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: is a kid Fowler, Dante Fowler Rams. I think he's

883
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: a good player. I think that's the kind of rusher

884
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: we need, a you know, speed rusher. I like him

885
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: a lot or I'm not sure if they'll do in

886
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: the draft, but we need an end. I don't really

887
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: fensive end, start defense, Yes, sir, I believe it. Yeah,

888
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: you're right. They gotta find somebody. Um, they can't play

889
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: the Yeah, they rotate him in. And a lot of

890
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: people still believe, and right or wrong, that pressure is

891
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: more important than average and they like because they like

892
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: to see sacks. It's a bigger play when you get

893
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: a sack than it is when a corner knocks the

894
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: ball down, and people want to see those instead of

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00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: the other. So I get it. And the bills, you know,

896
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: they had like what six or five or six guys

897
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Speaker 1: that all had five sacks, right around five sacks they had,

898
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: and then they had Jordan Phillips who had nine and

899
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: a half, so they didn't have really one of those

900
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: guys that get you thirteen sacks on the season or

901
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: fifteen sacks on the season. It'd be nice, but those

902
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: guys aren't out there, and at least not for the

903
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: right price. I like Quinn from Dallas. Robert Quinn is

904
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: a right guy, but I understand Dante Fowler two and

905
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: either one of those guys gonna cost some money, that's

906
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Speaker 1: for sure. Thanks for your call. Let's go to the

907
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the

908
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Speaker 1: official movers of the Buffalo Bills. What's the most important

909
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: move for the Buffalo defense this offseason? Jack Anderson writes this,

910
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: and all choices are pivotal, but Trudevious White has twenty

911
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: twenty and a team option for next year, so there's time.

912
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Good point. Getting the pass rusher is important. I expect

913
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: they will and add that and that and the linebacker.

914
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: But I voted other they need to add a cornerback

915
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: to play opposite Trey Wallace and Johnson. Trey Wallace and

916
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: Johnson are okay, but they should look to improve m

917
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: just as Steve said they can get by with the

918
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: pass rushers they had this year. I think they can

919
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: get by and demonstrating that they can get by with

920
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace and Kevin Johnson the corner opposite Trevious White

921
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: had a really good defensive year. I mean, there's just

922
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: no way about it. So again, what's it gonna take

923
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: for them to continue that? Certainly we can sit here

924
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: and throw darts at all the answers we think that

925
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: they need. But there's no doubt about it. They're gonna

926
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: have to make some change. They're gonna be some new

927
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: faces over there. Lorenzo Alexander's are good buddy, He's gone.

928
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: They gotta finally gotta replace him. Matt Milano's gonna be

929
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: up for an extension pretty quick. They're gonna have to

930
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: exercise the option on them, no doubt. You do have

931
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Speaker 1: a little bit of time with Tredevius. I wouldn't hesitate

932
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: to start talking to him at least and maybe agreed

933
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: to the terms of a deal now before the season starts,

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Speaker 1: with it being signed at the end of the season.

935
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Speaker 1: There's all this stuff's on the table. You can do

936
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Speaker 1: any of this you want, But you're right, I think

937
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Speaker 1: they would be a good idea if they could get

938
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Speaker 1: a guy. I think they've been looking for a guy probably,

939
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: don't you, Murph, since you know they signed Tredavious as

940
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: a rookie, they're still trying to find a guy to

941
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Speaker 1: go opposite him. E J. Gaines was there the first year,

942
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Speaker 1: and then you know, and then last year Levi Wallas

943
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Speaker 1: kind of emerged, or two years ago, Levi Walls kind

944
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: of emerged as a guy that was a little bit

945
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: of a surprise. Now you had Kevin Johnson and Levi Wallace.

946
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: So I still think they're looking for a guy to

947
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: lock that spot down over there and stay there. But

948
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: a long term solution. I don't know if that's in

949
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: the cards. I think they'd like to, but those guys

950
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: are hard to find, and they're really expensive, and you

951
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: got an expensive guy, you're gonna have to pay anyway.

952
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: What are you got in the tweet? You you got

953
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: one there, right? Yeah? From Yeah, from Tiffany, She says,

954
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: lockdown trades our drafted, developed starter superstar. He's an elite

955
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: talent with more to come. He sets the tone and

956
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: direction of what the Bills are becoming, which is a

957
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: force in the league. I'll tell you this, and here's

958
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: the more question about about Tardavius. And he's one of

959
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: our choices. I guess the real question is not whether

960
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: you extend them or not, right the question is when

961
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: and how much you know that's it. There's no doubt

962
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: they're going to exercise their team option on the fifth

963
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: year of a first round draft pick. He's coming back.

964
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: They're going to do everything they can to extend him,

965
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: and they're gonna structure in a way that's as good

966
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: as they can get it. And Tredavius will you know,

967
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how he reacts to it,

968
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: how much it really means to him to be here

969
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: in this town. Does he want to get it done

970
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: and have it settled? Son have to think about it

971
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: through a season or what have you. So there's a

972
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: lot in the There is time, no question about it.

973
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: But it's not a question of if. It is a

974
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: question of when. For me, all right, but you gotta move.

975
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want him to get You don't

976
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: want to have that. You don't want it. I don't

977
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: think you want him to get into You don't want

978
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: to use a franchise tank at him. That's too much

979
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: money for one year, and you don't want to get

980
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: into the last year of his deal because then all

981
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: the leverage goes his way. I like what you said

982
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: right at the top of the show. Get it done

983
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: now with tridebuous and lock him down. Send a message,

984
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: Send a message to him and the rest of the

985
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: locker room that you're serious that if you draft a

986
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: guy and he develops the way you want, then you'll

987
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: keep him here. That's the timing of it. I know

988
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: that there's no yeah, on paper, you don't have to

989
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: get it done right away, but I think it's beyond that.

990
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: I really do. Yeah, I agree, and I just think

991
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: the earlier the better you get it lined up, because

992
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: then you can go down the list of priorities, you know, further,

993
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: you can go down to the linebackers and defensive ends

994
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: and the other corner on the other side, and a

995
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver and offense and all the other stuff that

996
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: you gotta do. And this is this is really something too.

997
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: You think about it. It's the Bill's franchise. You think

998
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: back over the years, Murph Bill's franchise right now is

999
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: in a different spot than we've ever seen him. Really

1000
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: because they've got a lot of money to spend, and

1001
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of places they've got to replenish.

1002
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of guys on one year deals.

1003
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of guys, a couple of guy,

1004
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: handful of guys you'd love to see him kind of

1005
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: start to extend. And they've got draft picks coming in

1006
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: and they've got some they've got to refurbish. I mean,

1007
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: this is a I think this, as much as anything,

1008
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be a little bit of a a foretaste

1009
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: of what we're gonna do every year with this club.

1010
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: I think this is the philosophy of Brandon Being and

1011
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. You're gonna have a lot of guys disappear

1012
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: over the offseason, not disappear, but run out of the contract.

1013
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: The one year guys, the Mike Love and and you

1014
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: know all the other linebackers that are you know, on

1015
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: the roster. It's you know, there's a ton of guys

1016
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: there that may or may not be around, but they're

1017
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: on one year deals and you're gonna we're gonna go

1018
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: through this every year. They're gonna have money to spend

1019
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: in the in the cap, but they're gonna have to

1020
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: spend it on the entire roster, you know what I mean,

1021
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: until the quarterback gets to a second contract. Then I

1022
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: think the game changes. Maybe. Yeah, that's yeah, that's on

1023
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: the far horizon as well. Another year two too. We'll

1024
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: talk more about this coming up next hour. Jason lock

1025
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: ONFA CBS Sports Insider joins us here on the show.

1026
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Come on back for that. One Bill's Live presented by

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00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: Kalaida Health from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This

1028
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radiolo Hills Radio Network Sports date from

1029
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live. The Collective Bargaining Agreement being voted on

1030
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: by NFL players these days. Giants left tackle Nate Soldier

1031
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: says he's gonna vote yes, and he says it's a

1032
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: great deal for core players with minimum sundaries going up.

1033
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: Bumped up benefits are current players and retired players, increasing

1034
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: the practice squad work rules changing Soldiers, the Giants player

1035
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: rep made seventy one million dollars in his career going

1036
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: into his tense season, says a Pole. He did a

1037
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: poll of some of his teammates who have yet to

1038
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: make big money and found they were in favor of

1039
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: all of those benefits and a trade up for the

1040
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: seventeenth regular season game. We'll find out in the next

1041
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: week or two. Los Angeles Chargers continue to move on

1042
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: from veteran players. The Chargers and wide receiver Travis Benjamin

1043
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: are mutually parting ways after four seasons. The teams and

1044
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: Benjamin's agent met last week during the combine. He'll officially

1045
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: be a free agent when the league year begins. He

1046
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: signed a restructure last season that had an avoid year

1047
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: to his contract. Benjamin played just five games last year,

1048
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: caught six passes for thirty yards no touchdowns. Arizona Cardinals

1049
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: are not disguising their desire to add a wide receiver

1050
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: this offseason. Steep Time, the Cardinals general manager, said during

1051
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: the combine last week, we certainly can use an outside receiver.

1052
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: With a shortage of speedsters and free agency, most of

1053
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: linked to Cardinals to draft prospects. With the number eight selections,

1054
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: including Oklahoma Cedee Lamb, Alabama's Jerry Judy and Henry Ruggs

1055
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: the third all are expected to go in the first

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Speaker 1: round game night for the Buffalo Savers. The four game

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Speaker 1: road trip Murcer Fleet comes to an end tonight. Game

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00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: in Winnipeg against the Jets face off eight o'clock. Victor

1059
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: Olison and Lenas Allmark expected to return to the game.

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00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: They returned to practice shows to the Almark may not

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00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: return to game action or at least another week, I

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00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: should say, but Allison is expected to return. Jake McCabe

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00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: anders Tonight's game points in each of Buffalo's last three

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00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: games is the longest points drink of his career. Ties

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Speaker 1: it savers in Winnipeg Jets tonight eight o'clock. You can

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00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: hear the game right here on WGOF. And that's the

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00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: update from one Bill Side. John Murphy, Steve Tasker in

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00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: our Seneca studio in Archard Park, back from the combine

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Speaker 1: after last week. Joined on the line right now by

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports Insider, contributed to the NFL on CBS the

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Speaker 1: NFL Today Show. Happen to have Jason Lacon for whether

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Speaker 1: it's Jason. Oh, it's John Murphy's tea Tasker up here

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00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Thanks for coming up. What's going on, guys? Oh,

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00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: everything's good. We're kind of resettling after the combine. I

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00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: mentioned Steve right at the top of our show, how

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00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of a dead week now, but things will

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00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: get heated up next week. Allday, Yeah, it won't be long.

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00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: It's it's funny. I was emailing some of my my editors,

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00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: like guy's got any column ideas? Kind of we're kind

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00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: of as long we're doing the combine and free agency,

1081
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: but I'm sure another couple of days and we'll be

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00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: cranking as we get a little closer to the official

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00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: excuse me, start of the NFL league year calendar. You

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00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: had a nice couple of weeks where it's it'll be

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00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: here before you know it, don't worry, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: and a post on CBS that about one move that

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00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: each of the thirty two teams should make, and yeah,

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00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: and you had the bills locking up to Davious Wide.

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00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: That's one of our questions today for our listeners. Should

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00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: should they lock up Tdavious Wide sign an edge rusher,

1091
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: Should they boast of their linebacking corps, particularly defensively, or

1092
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: just what exactly should that do? You? You are big

1093
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: on getting guys that have helped them turn it around

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: locked up. Yeah, I mean these are individuals, you know,

1095
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: you know their strengths, you know their weaknesses, you know

1096
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: how they fit into your locker room. How you guys

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00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: have already been a part of excuse me, establishing a

1098
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: different culture there. And you know, the three guys I

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00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: mentioned there, I think they all embody sort of the

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00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: best of you know what Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean

1101
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: are putting in place there, And I think rewarding your

1102
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: own guys and doing it early and being proactive about

1103
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: it always rings well in the locker room and as

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00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: well received. And they made calculated moves and free agency

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00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: last year, and obviously we're pretty active in particular putting

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00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: some pieces around Josh Allen, but I think you got

1107
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: to be careful with doing too much of that from

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00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: the from the outside, and a lot of those moves

1109
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: don't work, and you're not sure how guys are going

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00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: to to fit. And how many times do we see

1111
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: teams make a huge splurge and free agency and then

1112
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: two years later, eighteen months later, they're trying to get

1113
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: out of those contracts and they can't. So I feel

1114
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: like they've drafted so well there and they've done a

1115
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: great idea job of identifying the college players who are

1116
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: going to fit in and make an impact that I

1117
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: think reward your own. Don't be worried about putting the

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00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: bulk of your cap allotment into players who young players

1119
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: who you hope to have there for another five, six,

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Speaker 1: seven years, you know, and prize those draft picks and

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00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: keep doing what they're doing that they clearly have made

1122
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: great strides in the last couple of years. Jason, That's

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00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: a point Steve and I talked about, and I think

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00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: you touched on something that I think is the main

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00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: reason to extend tradavious white and do it right now.

1126
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: And that's the message that will be set to others

1127
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: in the locker room, like we take care of our own.

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00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: If you come here and play well and you're a

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00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: good citizen and fit into our culture, we're going to

1130
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: take care of you. They've said that, but now they

1131
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: have a chance to prove it right. Absolutely. And look,

1132
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: for a while they were just trying to put together,

1133
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, fifty three guys who they thought were NFL

1134
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: caliber or as close to it as you could. I mean,

1135
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: this was a big overhaul. But now they have turned

1136
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: the corner in a lot of respects and the price

1137
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: is only going to go up. I mean, you guys

1138
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: are seeing this new collective baracunity agreement and then you're

1139
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: gonna have the TV deals come in. So the price

1140
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: of doing business with these players, it's only going to escalate,

1141
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: and the owners are gonna make more money, way more

1142
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: money too. But like you know, Jalen Ramsey, whatever he gets,

1143
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's it's going to be massive.

1144
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: And you look at some of these position groups like

1145
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: I'll just you know, we talked about Dawkins, We'll talk

1146
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: about you know, Tradevius So corner and left tackle Larmy

1147
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: Tumpsel has the Texans completely over a barrel now because

1148
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: they traded heaven and Earth to get him without a

1149
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: contract extension. And the same thing with with with Jalen

1150
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: Ramsey and the Rams, and neither of these two teams

1151
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: have nearly as much cast space as they like. So

1152
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: why not extend your best, your tackle now and your

1153
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: corner now, who you believe in, who were young, who

1154
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: are still ascending players. Knowing that the time frame to

1155
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: get something done six months from now, nine months from now,

1156
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: a year from now, it's only going to cost you more. Well,

1157
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: one of the things that keeps these teams from extending

1158
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: them or doing something else. Is one of the options

1159
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: that every team has is a franchise tag. What is

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00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: your and I it seems that different teams view that

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00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: tag a little bit differently, and certainly it depends on

1162
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: the position that the guy plays. But is there a

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00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: prototypical player or an example in this year's free agent

1164
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: market that you would say that guy needs to be

1165
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: franchise tag? Can you give us an example anybody who

1166
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: can get to the quarterback? If anybody with a modicum

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00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: of an edge presence without red flags, those guys aren't

1168
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: hitting the market. I mean, and gon Que has wanted

1169
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: no part of Jacksonville for a long time, and I

1170
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: know he put it on his social media the other day,

1171
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: but trust me, he's expressed it in that locker room

1172
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: to teammates, to coaches and others for a while that

1173
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: he didn't see a long term future for himself in Jacksonville.

1174
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to tag him anyway, and not all

1175
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: likely lead to a trade. You know, when you think

1176
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: back last year when you've got four in these guys

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00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: Clowney who are on the tag, and you know it

1178
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: leads to trades. But the pass rushers, the Frank Clarks,

1179
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: those guys don't just walk out the door. Matt Judon's

1180
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: not just gonna walk out the door in Baltimore after

1181
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, Zadarius Smith left the year ago and got

1182
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: his thirty five million fully guaranteed in the first two

1183
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: years of his new deal with the Packers. You know,

1184
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: Shack Barrett, these guys, it's just it's it's not gonna

1185
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: happen now. Clowney probably will get out because that would

1186
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: be you know, the Seahawks would have to be two

1187
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: years in a row tagging him, and the money gets

1188
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: pretty crazy there. But I think if you're looking for

1189
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: the poster boys of like, we're just gonna squat on

1190
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: him for another year if we have to, or maybe

1191
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: we think we'll get better value in trade. But we

1192
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: can't just let these guys walk, you know. For a

1193
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one comp pick no Way around the Line

1194
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: with CBS Sports insider Jason Lacan for his recent post

1195
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: one move each team should make this offseason and an

1196
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: interesting couple of moves. You think Tom Brady should sign

1197
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Chargers and the Patriots should sign

1198
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota. Right, you're talking about replacing Brady with Mariota,

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Speaker 1: Is that right, Jason, Yeah, well, I mean, look, as

1200
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: part of the package, you know, then they also want

1201
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: to draft somebody and find a way to get them

1202
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: both on the field. I do think Josh McDaniels would

1203
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: be one of the few people on the planet who

1204
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: might be able to fix a broken Marcus Mariota. I

1205
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: think he needs an infusion of confidence. I think he

1206
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: needs a fresh start, different ideas. But you know, Josh

1207
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: McDaniels was a guy who when he was a head

1208
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: coach in Denver, he drafted Tim Tebow and drafted him

1209
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: in the first round. And Marcus Mariota's obviously a way

1210
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: more accomplished passer, and he just a far superior quarterback

1211
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: than Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow perhaps a better athlete, but

1212
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I think he's still Mariota is still young enough. The

1213
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: injuries give me some concern. And again, I do think

1214
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: he probably suffered a little bit from the mental you know,

1215
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: the mental aspect, your confidence, your inner belief to lose

1216
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: his job the way he did. But the Patriots have

1217
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: how of success resurrecting guys, So yeah, that does make

1218
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: sense for me, and I mean for Tom Brady, I

1219
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: mean a Little Lucky. If he's leaving, I don't think

1220
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: he's going to Tampa, you know, Like I don't think

1221
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: he's going to Chicago to compete with Mitch Terrbissy. Like,

1222
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: could I see him with the Chargers, Yeah? Could I

1223
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: see him with the Raiders? Yeah? Could I see him

1224
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: with the Titans. I guess you could convince me maybe.

1225
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: But beyond that, you know, I don't really know how

1226
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: big the field's going to be outside of New England.

1227
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a mystery team out there, you know, maybe

1228
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: somebody does something that, you know, super creative that blows

1229
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: him away. But he used to have the mansion in Malibu.

1230
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: All of his people are out there. Alex Guerrero's trainers

1231
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: out there, Tom House is throwing guy. He's out there.

1232
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: His parents are right up the road in San Francisco.

1233
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: He's probably going to spend his post playing career in California.

1234
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: He's super interested in, you know, the media, at whether

1235
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: he becomes runs his own production company or is some

1236
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: sort of you know, second career in the media. He's

1237
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: made that clear that that appeals to him. His buddy's

1238
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck and all those guys are out there. I

1239
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: just if the Chargers were to woo him properly, I

1240
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: know for a fact he'd be eager and willing to listen.

1241
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: The question is for a team that hasn't generally, you know,

1242
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: big one that knows how to roll out the red

1243
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: carpet or is not notorious for wooing big time free agents,

1244
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: are they able to get their stuff together now and

1245
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: do it. That remains to be seen. What do you

1246
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: think are just gonna happen with the rest of the quarterbacks,

1247
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: with the Teddy Bridgewaters, the Andy Dalton's of the world.

1248
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: What about the rest of this guy Because there's a

1249
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: number of them out there, a handful of guys out there.

1250
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna move teams or looks like they're going to.

1251
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: No doubt, I think Andy Dalton will end up with

1252
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. And and I've been reporting on that

1253
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: and wrinning about that um since the second half of

1254
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: the regular season. When it was clear that Dalton one

1255
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: on a trade I couldn't get one. It was after

1256
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, but he wasn't going to be back

1257
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: and Trubisky wasn't doing the job. And then when they

1258
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: hired Bill Lasers, the offensive coordinator, that, to me made

1259
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: it even more of a likelihood. Laser did really good

1260
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: work with Andy Dalton in Cincinnati. Dalton already knows the

1261
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: language speaks to Limbo is the embodiment of a lot

1262
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: of what Bill Lasers looking for, and the contracts cheap

1263
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: enough that it just makes a world of sense. You know,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, I think it really depends where does Philip

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Speaker 1: Rivers land and where does Tom Brady land if Tom

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01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: Brady leaves, you know, I think Teddy Bridgewater makes makes

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Speaker 1: sense for a team like like the Patriots. I think

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Speaker 1: maybe he makes some sense for the Chargers. I'm not

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01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: convinced at all that Cam Newton is by any means

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Speaker 1: untouchable or untradeable. And there's people reporting that who you

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Speaker 1: know they're gonna be back in Carolina, They themselves don't

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01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: know right now, and they're going to keep a very

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01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: open mind. And I wonder if if John Gruden isn't

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: sure he's going to be able to get one of

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01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: the top couple of quarterbacks in this draft, does he

1276
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: look at Cam Newton and say, Okay, big arm, big legs,

1277
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: extends plays gun slinger, let me take my chances with

1278
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: that guy. Derek Carr game manager. Highly efficient, not super effective,

1279
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: not super production, a lot of hollow yards to the

1280
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: tossing it to the running back or to the tight end.

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: But they're a little frustrated with that in Oakland right now.

1282
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be very interesting. I think four of

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: them will end up going in the first round, at

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01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: the very least, maybe five. And I'm sure there's some

1285
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: guys we didn't touch on Jamis Winston. I mean, it's

1286
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: it's going to be. There's gonna be some unhappy campers,

1287
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. There are. There are

1288
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: a lot of hungry mouths and not that many seats

1289
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: at the table when it comes to these veteran quarterbacks,

1290
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna have a hollow market on the line.

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: With Jason lock On for Insider for CBA Sports dot Com,

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01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: you also have written about the franchise tag it's up

1293
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: next week possible targets. In that argue, you did not

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01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: include Jordan Phillips, although in the past you thought he'd

1295
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: be a possible target for a Bill's tag. Right, how

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01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: much value do you think Buffalo's Jordan Phillips will have

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01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: on the open market, Jason I think he's going to

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01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: do very well. A guy like Chris Jones getting tagged,

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01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, the music to his ears. But you look

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Speaker 1: at how they've drafted there and the success they've had

1301
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: a drafting on the defensive line, and with Oliver continuing

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: to emerge. I just think when they look at their

1303
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: asset allocations, you know you got a stud middle linebacker there,

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01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: whom I mean, what is he stole only like twenty

1305
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: one and he's a year away from when you could

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: start paying him again. I think you start looking long term. Eventually,

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01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback, if he's who they think he is, is

1308
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: going to make some money. You know, how much can

1309
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: you tie up in your interior defense. And they did

1310
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: a great job of signing him, you know what I mean,

1311
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: and developing him in the short term, so I think

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: he's going to be poised to absolutely crush it, you know,

1313
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: tagging him for another year. I'm not sure this is

1314
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: going to be the way they go. I'd be surprised,

1315
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: I guess at this point, to be honest with you,

1316
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: but I think that's the guy who you just say,

1317
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: look good, you know, this was a win win, You

1318
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: did good things for us. We had a playoff year

1319
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: in part because of you. We bought low on you.

1320
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: But you're about you know, you're about to flip that

1321
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: script dramatically and good for you. You earned it. Um,

1322
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's how it goes sometimes. Or

1323
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: did you anticipate or did you get any surprises out

1324
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: of the combine week? Um? You know the Jordan love

1325
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: love is more real than I thought going in. Um.

1326
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it would not shock me if if he's

1327
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,439
Speaker 1: gone in the first seven or eight picks, maybe even

1328
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: before Herbert. Uh, you know, outside of that, not a ton.

1329
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean, get used to the idea of these kids

1330
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: sitting it out. There's not there's really not much the

1331
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: gain and a lot to lose, and they're screwing around

1332
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 1: with the schedule and stuff's going on in prime time

1333
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: and you know, and you see the corner from Ohio

1334
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: State fall and he's okay. But I just I get

1335
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: the sense more and more agents are like, look, unless

1336
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: they're going to compensate us for this, what are we

1337
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: we're giving them this free product, We're incurring a bigger

1338
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: injury risk. And you know, then if if you know

1339
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: you're you're whatever rugs and you don't run the fastest

1340
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: time ever. They're knocking you for it, um and end luck.

1341
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna go in the middle of the first round anyway,

1342
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: He'll be fine. But I just think, you know, these

1343
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: agents are looking at how much money they spend to

1344
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: prepare these guys for the combine and this or that,

1345
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: and you know it can be a losing proposition. Yeah,

1346
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: there's some small time guys, the safety out of Southern

1347
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: Illinois who probably jumps up around or so based on

1348
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: what he does. But you know those kids are gonna,

1349
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, are always gonna have to The NFL says

1350
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: jump and you say how high. But I think you're

1351
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: going to see more and more high end quarterbacks, skill guys,

1352
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: um defensive backs, just saying no, I'll skip it. CBA

1353
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: Sports insider Jason Lockon forward whether us you wrote a

1354
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: post during the combine, I guess about the talk that

1355
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: gms have false talk from general managers. I really like it. Look,

1356
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: we had a couple of general managers on our show

1357
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: with the combine. Sure, I think they were telling the truth,

1358
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: But you mentioned there's a guy. Can't you know you

1359
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: gotta get tiptoe close to it, But you can't say

1360
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: everything you really mean, Well, yeah, I know you said

1361
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: something about what Mike Mayock was saying about Derek Carr.

1362
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: What do you think is going on there is either

1363
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: guy or not. No, not at all. I mean it's

1364
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: not like they dislike him or anything. But I was

1365
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: picking up very strong signal there in the second half

1366
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: of the year. Even as Derek Carr is completing seventy

1367
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: one percent of his passes or whatever, there was mounting

1368
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: frustration and that coaching staff that there's plays there, and

1369
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: there's plays down field, there's quadrants of the field where

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01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: things were open. But it's just not his mindset. And

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01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: he is a pretty good athlete, but he's not a

1372
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: guy who's going to extend plays naturally with his legs.

1373
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: And John Gruden spent all that time at ESPN running

1374
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: his QB camp, fall in love with five quarterbacks in

1375
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: every draft and seeing how they move the pocket and

1376
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: how they throw across their body and their natural playmate mobility,

1377
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: their mobility, what you can do with them outside the pocket,

1378
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: all the innovative ways you could use them. And he

1379
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to get his hands on one of

1380
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: them yet. You know, he doesn't have that that kind

1381
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: of a quarterback at his disposal, and he's got quarterback

1382
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: wanderlust anyway to begin with, even when he has a

1383
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: guy that he's totally in love with for a period

1384
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: of time. So I never saw this as a long

1385
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: term marriage. People close to Gruden have been telling me

1386
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 1: from the onset that unless this kid really knocks his

1387
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: socks off, give it about two years. And we did.

1388
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: And they're loaded with draft capital, and as I said,

1389
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: for going to go in the first round and Tom

1390
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: Brady available as a free agent, and you could trade

1391
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: for Cam Newton and Jameis Winston might be on the

1392
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: street without a team. But he might look at Winston

1393
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, those those those thirty picks scared the

1394
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: hell out of me. But I don't have to worry

1395
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: about this guy. I don't to tell him to push

1396
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. I don't have to tell

1397
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: him that you're a raider, throw it deep. He looks

1398
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: like a raider. So with all these options and car

1399
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: on an easily tradeable contract, I mean, you're basically renting

1400
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: him at nineteen million a year, no guarantees left on

1401
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: that deal. Yeah, I think the Raiders are going to

1402
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: make some quarterback moves. Could you see that Tom Brady

1403
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: hitting the free agent market, the Raiders making a big

1404
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: push for him, and then the and then New England

1405
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: offering a couple of picks to the Raiders for Derek Carr. Yeah,

1406
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean it, It wouldn't surprise me. I think if

1407
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: you're in New England you have to they'll be a

1408
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: little bit careful because you don't have much on offense,

1409
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: you're short on picks already, and you're gonna lose another

1410
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: one for this from this spygate thing with the Bengals,

1411
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: whether that's a three or four or what have you.

1412
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: You know, and then how much better do you think

1413
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is than you know, a Teddy Bridgewater or

1414
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: an Andy Dalton, you know, or I mean even if

1415
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: you really you know, even a Jacoby Brissette who the

1416
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 1: Colts that they get Philip Rivers might eat some of

1417
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: Brissett's contract just to move them. So I think that's

1418
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, if they're not in a great cap situation,

1419
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: they're not overloaded with picks, and they get a lot

1420
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: of holes. I mean, Derek Carr with that group of

1421
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 1: skill position players, I don't know that you're scoring a

1422
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: whole lot more points than you did last year, and

1423
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: now you're talking about maybe giving up a couple of

1424
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: picks on top of it that you desperately need to

1425
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: make that cast better around him. There'd be some interesting

1426
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: calculus for Bill Belichick to do in a situation like that. Jason,

1427
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: last question I have for you. Have the CBA players

1428
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: considering it voting probably in the next couple of days.

1429
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: You're a team by team. Is it gonna pass? Do

1430
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: you think that CBA will go through? I'm not sure,

1431
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: but in the next couple of days I'd like to

1432
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: see that be the case, but it might be a

1433
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: little optimistic. The lawyers still learn't done putting the document

1434
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: together yet, and the PA hasn't figured out all the

1435
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: mechanisms for exactly how they're going to vote. But when

1436
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: that comes about, and my guests would be maybe sometime

1437
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: next week, I do think it'll pass. They only need

1438
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: a plurality, it's not like you need two thirds or

1439
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: anything like that. And you've got roughly nineteen hundred players

1440
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: in about eleven hundred of them making the veteran minimum,

1441
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: and they have a chance to get a significant raise

1442
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: in real time time and create more jobs, which maybe

1443
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: keeps me in the league longer and gives me another

1444
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: future pay day, and doing less work in the summer

1445
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: where you're risking things. You know, you're risking your health

1446
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: for practices and exhibition games that aren't going to get

1447
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: your paid long term. So I do think a lot

1448
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: of guys will sit down with their wives at the

1449
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: kitchen table and they'll go over this and say, you know,

1450
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: this might not be the best deal in the world

1451
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: for you know, the best eighth grade quarterback prospect right

1452
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: now who's going to be coming in the league in

1453
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five or whatever. But it makes a lot

1454
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: of sense for me. Hey, Jason, Thanks Jason, good talking

1455
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: about it. Thank you Jason Lockhon for you see him

1456
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: on the NFL today on the NFL on CBSCBS Sports

1457
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: Insider Jason Lockhon for a joining us on the line.

1458
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: Happy to have him. It makes sense. Yeah, you know

1459
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: what I like about Jason. Just thought occurred to me

1460
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of that you didn't take all this

1461
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: too seriously, you know what I mean. Nothing is like

1462
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: life and death, which is a good it's a good

1463
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,839
Speaker 1: approach to have, you mean perspective. Yes, he has perspective,

1464
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: don't want to don't We got a break here. We're

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: back with more. One Bill's Live, presented by Klata Health

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01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: from the Seneca Studio. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome

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01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: back One Bill's Live. We've got Peter King coming up

1468
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: at two o'clock NBC Sports. Peter King used to be

1469
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: a regular with us once a week. Yeah, he's good.

1470
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: Goody's got combined reports out talking a lot about what

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Speaker 1: went on last week, a lot of it, and we

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Speaker 1: mentioned it right off the top with Jason lock On

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01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: for a lot of what's going on as people kind

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: of catching their breath after the combine, because at the

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01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: combine you are overwhelmed with information and interviews and let's

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01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: talk to that guy. Let's talk to that guy and

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01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: that guy, and then tomorrow we'll talk to that guy.

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01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: And now that's over and you kind of have a

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01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: chance to, you know, reconnect and consider what you were told,

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: what was said. I think this is a good week

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: to have this week. But yeah, very much so. It's yeah,

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01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: you got to just take a breath because like we said,

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: like I said yesterday, you know, he gets all this

1484
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: information that we just gulped down for a week at

1485
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: the Combine about two hundred and thirty different guys and

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: in different issues, different issues, and you know, and and

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: the the minutia of it. You know, for instance, you

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01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: know Joe Burrow's hand size. And now I'm like, are

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01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Well, again, I'm not patting ourselves on

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01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: the back, But I don't think we got caught up

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01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: in that, Steve, I honestly don't. I think we were

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01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: doing NFL news. Yeah, it was a big picture week

1493
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: for us, and certainly the Combine was a part of

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: it and how it worked and what was going on

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01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: with it and the changes that had happened to it

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: and where it was headed. But plus some of the

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01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: other stuff that was going on the guys that you

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01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: know was surprising whatever happened on that day. So yeah,

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01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a fun week to be there.

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, it's time talking about something else

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: for a minute. Let's talk about the tweet sheet and

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01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: the Twitter poll today. Let's start with that. What's the

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01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: bills number one priority on the defensive side of the ball.

1504
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: What's the most important move for the Bills defense this offseason?

1505
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: And why give us a call? To give us the why,

1506
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: but you can vote on our twitter poll. We got

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01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: seven hundred seventy five votes in so far, and forty

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: eight percent you say the most important thing they got

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: to do for defense this offseason extend the contract of

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01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: Tardavious White. Thirty nine percent say the next most important

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01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: or the most important thing is acquire an e Lade

1512
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Seven percent say they've got to shore up

1513
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: their needs at linebacker. Six percent say there's something else

1514
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: that they've in mind. Give us a call eight three

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01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: five fifty. What do you got there? In the tweet

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: jest from Killer Well, he says, listen a pass rusher

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01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: for sure, because because I have full faith in them

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: extending to Davious White and keeping him a member of

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01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: the bills for live. So he says, since they're already

1521
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: going to extend, there's no way they don't extend to

1522
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: Davious White, which would be my first choice. I don't

1523
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: have to vote that, I'm voting for my second. Okay,

1524
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: that's what he says. Isn't that what you get out

1525
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: of that? I know they're I don't have to even

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01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: tell you that they're gonna extend Tredavious White because that's

1527
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: already a done deal, which it's not. Nick tweets this,

1528
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 1: and the Bills have not had an elite pass edge

1529
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: rusher since a few games with Mario Williams. As good

1530
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: as this defense has been, if they had a guy

1531
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: the opposing team had to account for or game plan

1532
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: for that be, that would be a huge step to

1533
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: an elite overall defense. In my opinion, I agree. I'm

1534
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: gonna stick with that is my vote. You almost had

1535
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: me convinced to change my mind to go tradevious White,

1536
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: but I do think an elite pass rushers is where

1537
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: I go. The most important milk movie the Bills need

1538
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: to do. And part of it too, is they've got

1539
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: a Tradevius now going into the final year of his contract. Right, No, No,

1540
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: it's he's a five year contract. This is the third

1541
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: year he's got two years kept on it. And then

1542
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: they get into you know, they're gonna take it done.

1543
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: That to be done this year exactly, but it'd be

1544
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 1: nice to get it done this year. I agree from

1545
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: David Trey still has two years left on his deal.

1546
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: I have no doubt they'll get done. We need to

1547
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: focus on a pass rush to take more pressure off

1548
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: the secondary to stay with their guys longer due to

1549
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: a lack of pass rush. Once we have help in

1550
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: pass rush, and Oliver will flourish more as well. Okay,

1551
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: I got it. I think that's the that's the general consensus.

1552
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: There's no way Trey White gets out the door. But

1553
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't know whether, But I don't know whether they

1554
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: they're acknowledging that because it's obviously the most important thing

1555
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: they've got to do. They can't let that happen. And

1556
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: if it is, that's what they should have voted, they cannot.

1557
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: They cannot say that Tray Tray White's given there's obviously

1558
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: going to do it. Well, they haven't done it yet.

1559
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: But other than that, so they think Trey White is

1560
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: going to be back, and they think people are saying

1561
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: they're never gonna let Tredavious White walk out the door.

1562
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: So since they've already got that done, I'm voting for

1563
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, is what most people are saying. Which

1564
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: may I just chastise our listeners for doing that. You may, hey,

1565
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: can I say this too? And looking for him and

1566
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: he was the one to weeks ago reported that the

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01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: Bills should. He didn't report. He speculately the Bills should

1568
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: use a tag to keep Jordan Phillips. And I know

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01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips is good at a great year and as

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01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: an important part of the defense. I don't want to

1571
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 1: see the Bills use a tag on him. What are

1572
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: you talking about? Sixty million dollars for Jordan Phillips number one,

1573
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: number two. Every time you look at the lists of

1574
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: interior interior defensive lineman and a free agent list of

1575
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: the of the ones who are gonna, you know, do

1576
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: well in free agency, Jordan Phillips is way down the list.

1577
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Steve, I mean, I got a list

1578
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: right here in front of me from Mike Clay, Chris Jones,

1579
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna be taged, Leonard Williams, Jerald McCoy, and Dominican sue

1580
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: ej Reader, Jason. These are all before you get to

1581
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips. I did this a couple weeks ago. Jordan

1582
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: Phillips is down around twenty five on the list of

1583
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman approaching free agency so around the league.

1584
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because he only played half the snaps,

1585
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: or maybe it's just because who he is. Maybe it's

1586
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: because you know, he's sort of flamed out in Miami

1587
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: first before he had success here in Buffalo. He doesn't know,

1588
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to kind of regard that would force

1589
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: the Bills to consider placing the tag on him. That

1590
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 1: may be the reason he comes back, right, you know,

1591
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: he may get one of those deals, those middle of

1592
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: the road deals for a defensive lineman and say, you

1593
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: know what, I've had some pretty good success here. I'm

1594
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: on a really good defense. They're they're a playoff team.

1595
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you know what, I'll just take this deal here

1596
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: if it's comparable to these other places. Um, yeah, that

1597
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: sounds like pretty good deal to me. I like it here.

1598
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: I've been happy here. That may be the way the

1599
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: road that Jordan Phillips stays in Buffalo is that, Um,

1600
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: the big money goes elsewhere, and the teams that are

1601
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: there left, maybe they are down into the range where

1602
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo could match those offers or give him something comparable

1603
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: that he likes better. Um that is the I think

1604
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: that is the path, and I think the Bills are

1605
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: smart because it makes Jordan Phillips feel good. Believe me,

1606
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: the way they've stated it, and if Jordan believes him,

1607
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: and I do. The Bills have said, listen, Jordan, we

1608
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: want you back, we love you, we think you're great.

1609
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: You've earned the right to find out what you're worth.

1610
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: And by saying that, they opened the door for the

1611
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: guy to go, hey, I found out this is what

1612
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm worth. What do you think? And the Bills will say,

1613
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: you know what, we agree, we'll match it, and he'll

1614
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: say really, and they go, yeah, okay, I'm in, or

1615
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: they saying that's too much for us, or they say

1616
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: good for you, man, Yeah, happy for you. We're happy

1617
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: for you. Brandon Mean told us so we could go

1618
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: today on the show down an indie Right, Yet he

1619
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of reiterated what their strategy was with Jordan Phillips.

1620
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: Let him test the market, let him see what he's worth.

1621
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you most free agent listings of interior defensive lineman.

1622
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: He is down the list. He is, you know, fifteen

1623
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: twenty players down the list of interior defensive lineman who

1624
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: could be available. Maybe won't get the kind of money

1625
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: that people like lack on for it and others think

1626
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: he could. Yeah, and there's a lot of defensive linemen

1627
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: out there obviously too on the other hand, over the years,

1628
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've been shocked,

1629
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: shocked by how much teams are playing paying players in

1630
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: free agency. That could happen with Jordan phill He might

1631
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: get the kind of deal that makes me go, WHOA,

1632
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: they're crazy. Go get a Jordan, Go go get your money, right.

1633
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way free agency is that somebody

1634
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: likes a player, that like him enough to overpay him,

1635
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: and he's gone, and the Bills are willing to take

1636
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: that risk. I think they're they're right on the market.

1637
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: It's right on the money doing it. Though. It's been

1638
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: my you know kind of saying lately, you a lot

1639
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: of teams signed players in free agency and they just

1640
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 1: can't live up to that contract. It's all. It's an

1641
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: impossible feat, you know, to for these guys to go

1642
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: out and the like. You know, you can look back

1643
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: over the history of the one guy say that it

1644
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: came close. Was It was one of the guys that

1645
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: was mentioned in our tweet sheet Mario Williams. It was

1646
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: a huge signing when Buffalo got him and he came

1647
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: in and played really well for them on a really

1648
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: good defense. It was one hundred million dollars deal though, Yeah,

1649
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: you gotta play pretty good to earn that. Yeah, And

1650
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: you're always up against that, right, if you're that guy,

1651
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: you're always being compared to that contract, being evaluated based

1652
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: on that contract, and easy to say, well, he's not

1653
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: worth X million dollars. Of course you're not. But if

1654
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: you want him, you gotta pay him. If you want

1655
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: that guy, you're gonna have to overpay him, right, And

1656
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,560
Speaker 1: and you're paying on the on the proof of what

1657
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: he has already done. So it's not what he is

1658
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: gonna do for you necessarily, it's what he's already done,

1659
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 1: what he has the potential to do for your team.

1660
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: And that's where scouting free agents and finding people who

1661
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: fit your scheme and who fit your culture is so important,

1662
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 1: because you know it's gonna be hard to live up

1663
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: to those numbers. Give us a call. Let's not what

1664
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 1: do you think the most important move for the Bills

1665
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: defense this offseason? Let's read a few more tweets from

1666
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: god Billers. I think fans underestimate the importance of that

1667
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: third linebacker spot. We've been talking about how you don't

1668
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: just replace Zoe since he retired, and a solid, strong

1669
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: side linebacker can do wonders for your run defense. It's

1670
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: a big deal, just not as popular of a concern

1671
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: as defensive back or edge. All right, I'll listen to you,

1672
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: go Billers and and I agree this with go Billers

1673
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: and others who would argue this to say that the

1674
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: replacement for Lorenzo Alexander is on the roster. Now, I

1675
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: don't think that's the case, right, Who are you thinking of?

1676
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: Who are you thinking of to replace Lorenzo Alexander, Corey Thompson,

1677
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: Maurice Alexander. I don't think so. You need better than

1678
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: that you need. Maybe that's where the Bills go next week,

1679
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: and freetings he opens, you don't get his solid, decent

1680
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. Maybe a little bit of an edge rush

1681
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: guy there too. Lorenzo was so versatile too. Who was

1682
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: it last week? Maybe it was Brandon Mean again talked

1683
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: about all the different ways Lorenzo played on defense. They'd

1684
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: line him up as an interior defensive lineman, they play

1685
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: him as an edge rusher, they play him as an

1686
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. They'd have n't dropped into coverage. You're not

1687
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna find you'd be hard pressed. I will say you

1688
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 1: can hard press to find the guy who could do

1689
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: that variety of jobs the same way Lorenzo Alexander did

1690
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: with the same level of expertise, and oh, by the way,

1691
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: have an understanding of what he was being asked to

1692
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: do and how the entire defense is working. You're gonna

1693
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 1: have a hard time finding that. And he's playing tackle

1694
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: on punt team, Yeah, you know he's covering. He's an

1695
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: L three on kickoff or there are three or are four.

1696
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to replace guys who are really

1697
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: true professionals and who do whatever it takes, and it

1698
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: is that's what the Bills are up against. You bring

1699
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: quality people into the organization, and the Bills have done

1700
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: a really outstanding job of that. The problem is those

1701
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: guys play and they finish their career. Now you've got

1702
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Lorenzo Alexander, a guy like Eric Wood,

1703
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle Williams. You got to find a

1704
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: replacement for Those guys are rare, and that's what you're

1705
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: looking for. And you know those guys are probably out

1706
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: there somewhere, but it's hard to see who they are

1707
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 1: without getting to know him. And and you know, it's

1708
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: hard to know you can't find those. You got to

1709
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: talk to people, and you scout these veteran players around

1710
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: the National Football League as hard as you scout those

1711
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: college kids. Maybe it takes more than one guy to replace.

1712
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: Well you've said that too. I mean, yeah, no, you

1713
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: can get one guy to take his special team snaps,

1714
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: one guy to take you know, half of his defensive

1715
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: defensive snaps, and then these defenses right So, or maybe

1716
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: you get a guy that takes who's a really good

1717
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: defender and takes no special team snaps, and one of

1718
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: your other guys takes fewer snaps and more special team snaps.

1719
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: So who knows? Guy named Jello on the tweet sheet

1720
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: signing Trivius White and Jordan Poyer very important, but not

1721
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: gain changing for twenty twenty one. If this defense could

1722
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 1: get consistent quarterback pressure with four alignment, it would be

1723
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: a paradigm shift that would push Buffalo into top all

1724
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 1: time defense territory elite rusher. For me, it's worth thinking

1725
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: about guy named Jello despite your Twitter handle, it's worth

1726
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: thinking about. Yeah, that's the thing, and it's it's true

1727
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: you want to talk xes and those He's right. If

1728
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: you can get pressure right now with four guys and

1729
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 1: the ball has to come out on time. That wins games.

1730
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: And no uncertain do you get pressure right now with

1731
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: four guys rushing that wins games. Because the DBS get

1732
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: on time and they start timing routes up, you start

1733
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 1: getting turnovers, you started getting tipped interceptions. Their offense doesn't

1734
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 1: work the way they want it to work. In the

1735
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: passing game, the ball's got to come out on time,

1736
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: and that means the dbs are gonna be jumping routes

1737
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: all over the place. Guys are gonna be stepping into

1738
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: passing lanes, and the quarterback is gonna have to either

1739
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: throw it or go down. If you can do that, yeah,

1740
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: everything changes, no question. But it's really hard to do

1741
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: that in a sixteen game season and what could be

1742
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: a seventeen game season, weekend week out, it is hard

1743
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: to find four guys that can get pressure right away

1744
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 1: against five or six protectors. It's really hard. So, and

1745
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, to one guy ain't gonna do it.

1746
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: One great elite pass rusher will not be enough to

1747
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: make sure you get pressure with four guys. So, but

1748
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: you're right, if that's the numbers of it. The fewer guys,

1749
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: it takes you to get pressure on the quarterback. The

1750
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: better your defense is going to be, and the and

1751
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: the faster the ball has to come out. And when

1752
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: the ball comes out fast, it means it's predictable, and

1753
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: that's death for an offense. Trying to come up with

1754
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: a a good effective metric for measuring the Bills pass rush.

1755
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: They were They had forty four sacks. The league average

1756
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: was thirty nine. As much as we want to think, boy,

1757
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: they didn't get much of a pass rush that hurt

1758
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: him last year. The fourth ranked pass defense in the

1759
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: league last year. Obviously things are going right past defense

1760
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: for the Bills, right, but clearly they need to get

1761
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: better there. But I don't know how to measure that.

1762
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: You give me a clue, what what do you what

1763
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: would you look for any stat sacks? Is that is

1764
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: for me? For me, it's sacks and turnovers, forced turnovers,

1765
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: forced fumbles and interceptions that kind of thing. And and

1766
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: the Bills well, and it's a little bit of complimentary

1767
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: football too, because the Bills turned it over so much

1768
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: in the first four or five six games that they

1769
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 1: were minus five or something, and they were like, what

1770
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 1: five and two or something at one point, you know,

1771
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: get seven games in, so I think it's a little

1772
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: bit of hand in hand. When you start going too

1773
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,560
Speaker 1: far down that rabbit hole, it starts to depend on

1774
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: the other side of the football as well. But you're right,

1775
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: there is no statistic. The only thing you can look

1776
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: at is how their whole defense played, and it played

1777
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, and they're going to be looking to

1778
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: have that, have them played really good again, and if

1779
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: they can get some more help from their offense, their

1780
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: defense will get even better. All right, we're taking a break.

1781
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: We're coming back, Steve. I know you're not a big

1782
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: fan of the management of the NFL's officiating department. There

1783
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: might be some good news on the horizon for you.

1784
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that when we return. One Bill's Live,

1785
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: presented by Kalata Hell from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park.

1786
01:27:49,240 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back one five. We've

1787
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: got um Peter King coming up here at two o'clock.

1788
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: Looking forward to having him here to talk about a

1789
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 1: pride of these issues. Just getting in that we were

1790
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: having a big discussion out out the control room about

1791
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: big time receivers and how much they're going to be

1792
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: willing to put the control room, by the way, is

1793
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: willing to pay big money for a wide out. They

1794
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: get bored. They have too much conversation. They're having conversations

1795
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: on their own. We don't. They never get sidetracked by

1796
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: the evolution of our show as it goes through. Yeah,

1797
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: so here's the thing I've always said, I'm having this conversation.

1798
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 1: Can I can I just go on with this, that

1799
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback makes the receivers better, and the feedback and

1800
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: the blowback you get from that from most fans says, oh,

1801
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 1: what about when these guys, this great receiver left this

1802
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,600
Speaker 1: team and this quarterback wasn't as good. It's not the

1803
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: same comparison because that quarterback. It's not about that quarterback

1804
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: being worse with worst players. It's about those players that

1805
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: he's thrown to being better because he's the guy throwing

1806
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 1: it to him and the guys that are replacing the

1807
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: old guys wouldn't even be in the league if he

1808
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: weren't getting thrown by two by Aaron Rodgers and stuff.

1809
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: Everybody who plays with a great quarterback gets better. Every

1810
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: receiver I'm talking about. That's how that's why the guy's great.

1811
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: So for me getting another wide receiver on the roster.

1812
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: Of course they're going to get one, and they want

1813
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: one that's better than anybody they had lining up that

1814
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: last year. But they're not going to go out of

1815
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: the box financially because they know that when push comes

1816
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: to shove, they want to stay within the lines budgetarily

1817
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: because they you know's whats got him to this point

1818
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: and they know it comes down to Josh throwing the

1819
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: guy open. It comes down to Josh, not so much

1820
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: the receivers. You get better with better players, I get it.

1821
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: But a big time wide out out there, if he's

1822
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: running open and Josh throws it in the dirt, what

1823
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: are you getting for your sixteen million? Nothing? So don't

1824
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: get caught. That guy's not going to be a magic

1825
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: one that all of a sudden makes Josh throw him

1826
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,799
Speaker 1: the ball ninety thousand times and he catches eighty thousand

1827
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 1: catches next year. He's just gonna be a better player

1828
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,799
Speaker 1: that gives a guy one more option. One more option

1829
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 1: is not going to be a special elixer that fixes

1830
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: the offense. They left too many plays on the field

1831
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: with the guys they had, so to me, it starts

1832
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: and ends with Josh getting better, right, and you and

1833
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: I and I really believe he's gonna get better. I

1834
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: know the coaching staff believes he's gonna get better, and

1835
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: that in and of itself is gonna elevate Cole Beasley,

1836
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: John Brown and player X, whoever it is. I don't

1837
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: think player X is going to elevate Josh. It's my point.

1838
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: I got you. I agree now, I've always said it too.

1839
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: You're always better with better players, no question. But I

1840
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: don't think paying sixteen million bucks is going to give

1841
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: you the kind of return for a wide receiver that

1842
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: you anticipate or that fans would anticipate. Do you have

1843
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: time to get into Dean Blandino now or should we

1844
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 1: wait till second the next hour and third hour? Wait?

1845
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: Is that what he said? Producer? Wait? Team I left.

1846
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: I cut a short on that Blandino. Give him a

1847
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: tease me on the Dean Napane Blake may come back.

1848
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 1: There's a there's talk. ESPN Kevin Seffert reported that there's

1849
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: some league insiders are talking about bringing Dean Blandino back.

1850
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: They were fools to let that guy out the roy

1851
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: he Dean Blandino was a vice president of officiating in

1852
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: the National Football League and then left for the Big

1853
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: twelve or the Pac twelve. And he's in all of that,

1854
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: so he's doing too. The league needs him back. Hopefully

1855
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: they'll get him. We'll see, we'll talk about that talk show.

1856
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: Peter King's gonna join us in just a couple of minutes.

1857
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Come on back. One's Life presented by Klana Health from

1858
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This is Buffalo Bills Radio,

1859
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 1: Balo Bill's Radio network. Sports Kate comes from One Bill's Drive.

1860
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: All over the NFL players are voting on the new

1861
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement. It may take a week or more

1862
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: to get the results. In Giants left tackle Nate Soldier,

1863
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: who is the Giants player rep, explained to NBC Sports

1864
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna vote yes because he says it is a

1865
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: great deal for the core players, not necessarily the superstars

1866
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: in the league who make a ton of money, but

1867
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: the core players. Adding the seventeenth game, Soldiers says he's

1868
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: trying to be a voice for the players who support

1869
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: the deal but don't have the forum that many of

1870
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,799
Speaker 1: the superstars have minimum salarties should go up better benefits

1871
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: for current players and retired players, increasing the practice squad,

1872
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: increasing the roster. Soldiers says, all of these are big

1873
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: deals to the players at the bottom end of the

1874
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: salary scale. That's why he's going to vote for it,

1875
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: and he thinks it will pass. Los Angeles Chargers still

1876
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: moving away from veteran players, The Chargers have reached an

1877
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: agreement with Travis Benjamin to let him go to cut

1878
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 1: him lose after four seasons. Benjamin will be a free

1879
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: agent when the new league year begins next week. He

1880
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: agreed to a restructured contract last season. Now Benjamin played

1881
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: just five games last year, caught six passes for thirty

1882
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 1: yards no touchdowns. He enjoyed a breakout campaign in twenty

1883
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: fifteen with the Cleveland Browns, went for nine hundred and

1884
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 1: sixty six yards and five touchdowns as the Browns deep threat.

1885
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: John Elway has some big decisions to make on defense

1886
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: this season, but the Broncos president kicking the tires on

1887
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: potentially available running backs. Broncos, doing their due diligence on

1888
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: running backs, are expected to have interests in some veteran

1889
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: free agents, like Mike Cliffs of Mike Cliffs. Reports of

1890
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: the Nine News Denver, including the likes of Tennessee's Derrick

1891
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: Henry are the potential top baxtes who might be available

1892
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,759
Speaker 1: to as offseason include Kenyan Drake, Melvin Gordon, and Jordan Howard.

1893
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: And the Buffalo Sabers four game road trip wraps up

1894
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: tonight game in Winnipeg face off at eight o'clock. Victor

1895
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,560
Speaker 1: Olison and Lenas Allmark returned to practice yesterday. Ollison is

1896
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 1: expected to play tonight eight o'clock tonight the Sabers in

1897
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: the Winnipeg Jacks. That's the update from One Bill's Life.

1898
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Task, You're joined down the line right

1899
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: now by NBC Sports writer Football Morning in America, a

1900
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,560
Speaker 1: contributor to NBC Sports Sunday night football coverage. Remember the

1901
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame Board of Selectors. Happy to

1902
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: have Peter King on the line with us. Hello, Peter's

1903
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: John Murphy and Steve up here in Buffalo. Thanks coming on. Hey,

1904
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 1: how are you guys doing doing well? We're just recovering

1905
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 1: from the combine. We were mentioned earlier today that this

1906
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: is the week where everything sort of settles in and

1907
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: we get set for another flurry of activity next week.

1908
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 1: You see it that way, Yeah, I mean, probably there's

1909
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,839
Speaker 1: going to be. I always think on the NFL calendar

1910
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: that a couple of funny things are. So, starting at

1911
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: the scouting combine, you have the illegal pampering period where

1912
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: people who are about to be free agents. You know,

1913
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: every agent who has players is at the combine and

1914
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: they're all meeting with NFL team And you know, in

1915
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: a you know, in a in a law abiding world,

1916
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, the agent for a quarterback who's going to

1917
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: be a free agent wouldn't be talking about that quarterback

1918
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: with teams. But it's gotten to the point now where

1919
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 1: agents at the combine are talking about guys who are

1920
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: still under contract with their teams might either get cut

1921
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: or be on the trade block, but they're talking about

1922
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: those players seeing if they can rustle up interests somewhere.

1923
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: They're talking to teams about guys who are looming free agents,

1924
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 1: whether they'll be franchise or transition tagged or not. So

1925
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: they're talking about those players, and they're also talking because

1926
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,560
Speaker 1: some agents have players who are on the street and

1927
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: not not not under contract with anyone. So that happens

1928
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: for about two weeks and then on March sixteen, which

1929
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:04,759
Speaker 1: is thirteen days from now, the legal tampering period will start,

1930
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: and that lasts about two days where it's perfectly okay

1931
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: for agents to talk to any team about a looming

1932
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 1: free agent. You can't sign him, but you can negotiate

1933
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: and you can all but put pen to paper. So

1934
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,560
Speaker 1: that's where we are right now. But you're right, this

1935
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:27,440
Speaker 1: is a These next ten days or so are theoretically

1936
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: supposed to be pretty quiet, but you know, it's like

1937
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 1: the duck that's paddling hard underwater, and it doesn't look

1938
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 1: like he's working hard above water, but he is. If

1939
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 1: you wrote, Peter, and I'm kind of I'm inclined to

1940
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 1: blame Tom Brady for this one, but you wrote that

1941
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: an NFL executive said to you last week that Brady

1942
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: is the domino paralyzing all of the NFL right now.

1943
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: Is that the case or is it just because of

1944
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: where we are on account? Well, not everybody. Like if

1945
01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: you if you don't need a quarterback, and you have

1946
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback and maybe you're looking at one in the draft, maybe,

1947
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: but if you're not going to be looking at a

1948
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: free agent quarterback at all, maybe there's about that's probably

1949
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: about half the league. But there's a lot of teams

1950
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: that that involves a lot. And you know, there's two

1951
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: teams in the AFC East, the Patriots and the Dolphins.

1952
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: I would bet that there's fifteen to eighteen teams in

1953
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: the league that are going to be directly affected by

1954
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 1: what Tom Brady does. So those teams are basically doing

1955
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: their due diligence, but they can't really make any hard

1956
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 1: and fast decisions until they find out if Brady stays,

1957
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: goes to Tennessee to the Raiders, goes to the Chargers.

1958
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, no one really knows, and I

1959
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: think when I say that, I'm not just you know,

1960
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: it isn't like a few people know and everybody else

1961
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: doesn't know. I'm just I'm telling you Brady doesn't know

1962
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 1: where he's gone, and we'll see what happens. I'm sure

1963
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: that he has an idea about which places are cool

1964
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: in which places he'd like to go, but it certainly

1965
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: hasn't progressed to the point where he feels strongly yep,

1966
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to Tennessee, or yep, I

1967
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: feel like I'm staying in New England, right. I know,

1968
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 1: there's so much that we don't know. Pete about what

1969
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 1: Brady's going to do. But let's just take it for example,

1970
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: since there are thirty one other options that Tom Brady

1971
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 1: does leave New England, then what does Bill Belichick do. Well,

1972
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: that's a great question, Steve, if I were to guess

1973
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: right now. And again, look, you know, as I reported,

1974
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots met with Justin Herbert. It's scouting combine, so

1975
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: obviously there's some level of interest there. The number of

1976
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: meetings that teams can have with players at the combine

1977
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: has been cut from sixty to forty five now, and

1978
01:38:54,080 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: so basically it isn't that meeting with somebody means well,

1979
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: you're you're hot and heavy with the guy, but it

1980
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 1: means that there's some level of interest. So it's possible

1981
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots could take a quarterback in the first round.

1982
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: I have no if Brady leaves, I have I have

1983
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: no idea if they will or if they won't. The

1984
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: two things I would say that I feel good about. Okay,

1985
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:25,759
Speaker 1: they really like Jared Stidham, their back up from Auburn,

1986
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: who was a rookie last year, who they think has

1987
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: a chance to be really, really good and a starting

1988
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL at a high level. So, you know,

1989
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 1: and that's not just talk. They really like Jared Stidham. Now,

1990
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: I doubt sincerely they would go into this year if

1991
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 1: they don't resign Brady with Jared Stidham and Cody Kessler,

1992
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: who were I think those are their two quarterbacks on

1993
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: their roster right now other than you know, Brady, who's

1994
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: obviously free. The way I view the Patriots about quarterback

1995
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,640
Speaker 1: is the way I view them at all these other positions.

1996
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: Very very seldom, in fact, you know, how often has

1997
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: it happened since Stefan Gilmour. Very very seldom do the

1998
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:20,679
Speaker 1: Patriots jump out in free agency and break the market

1999
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: at a position. So what I think is that Bill

2000
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: Belichick is looking at the you know, he's basically looking

2001
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: at the landscape, and he sees too many quarterbacks for

2002
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: too few chairs in quarterback musical chairs. So on May first,

2003
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: when everybody is finished with the draft and they're looking

2004
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: up and they're saying, okay, what holes do we have

2005
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: right now? Bill Belichick is going to look up and

2006
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna say, and I'm just gonna make this up.

2007
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 1: I don't know who's going to be out there, and

2008
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,679
Speaker 1: he's gonna say, well, there's Marcus Mariota, Well, there's case Keenum,

2009
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: Well there's Jamis Winston, or there's who whoever. There's going

2010
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:07,799
Speaker 1: to be four or five quarterbacks who have had significant starting,

2011
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, experience in the league. So and you know

2012
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: there aren't going to be many or any starting jobs

2013
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 1: available at that point, maybe only one. So I wouldn't

2014
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: be surprised if whoever is out there on May first,

2015
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: if Bill Belichick and Nick Serios personnel guy basically say

2016
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,560
Speaker 1: to the agents for those guys, Okay, we're going to

2017
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: sign one of you guys, probably for one year, seven million.

2018
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: That's it. I mean. And if you want to talk

2019
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: about doing X, Y and Z in your contract, we're

2020
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: not interested. And so if you ask me my gut feeling,

2021
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: that's my gut feeling how the Patriots are going to

2022
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: handle this? Or with Peter King from Football Warning in

2023
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: America and then this week's Colum and the topic of

2024
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 1: quarterback musical chairs, Peter, you wrote that maybe case Ketam

2025
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 1: winds up with the Buffalo Bill. You wrote a fire

2026
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: with the Bills. I'd go hard after case Keenan. What

2027
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 1: do you see there? What would they be looking for?

2028
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: The reason? I said, that about Keenan is that I

2029
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 1: don't think you want a guy who, first of all,

2030
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 1: case Keenan is at the point in his career, who

2031
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: knows he could stay in Washington. You just you just

2032
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: don't know right now. Okay, But he's at the point

2033
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:25,719
Speaker 1: in his career where he's probably not assuming that he's

2034
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 1: going to get starter money. I mean, I'm sure he

2035
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 1: isn't assuming that. So for him to continue to play,

2036
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:36,600
Speaker 1: it's probably in backup mode. Whether that'd be Buffalo, Cleveland, Washington,

2037
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, Arizona, whatever, somewhere, he's probably gonna make backup

2038
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 1: money and be a backup quarterback. And to me, this

2039
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 1: guy is a really experienced guy. He is an unselfish guy.

2040
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: He's a team guy. Look, I think Josh McCown is

2041
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: the best guy I've ever seen in that role. And

2042
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: so but I'm not saying he's Josh McCown in that

2043
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 1: role because I don't know him as well as I

2044
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 1: know McCown. But I do know that he's going to

2045
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 1: know which way the wind is blowing. And when I

2046
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 1: was in Indianapolis, I heard that there might be a

2047
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: connection there. So we'll see. I know, we've got all

2048
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: kinds of quarterbacks on our brain. And one of the

2049
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: ones that's most intriguing for me coming out of the

2050
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: in the draft this year is too at tag of Iloa.

2051
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 1: He had the devastating hip injury and all signs are

2052
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: that it's going to heal up. But that's not the

2053
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 1: only thing that he's injured during his time at Alabama.

2054
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: So but if he's one hundred percent healthy, you've never injured.

2055
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he would be absolutely the

2056
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,679
Speaker 1: odds on favor to be the number one pick, even

2057
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,560
Speaker 1: with the season that Joe Burrow had. So what do

2058
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: you where do you see too at tag of Iloha

2059
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: going and Joe Burrow and the top quarterback? Who are

2060
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 1: the top quarterbacks in your mind? And where do they go?

2061
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: I think my ends up with either two or Justin Herbert.

2062
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: And again, there's a lot of noise right now about

2063
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: Jordan Love from Utah State. He's one of those guys that, uh,

2064
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 1: in my opinion anyway, you know, as we sit here

2065
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 1: seven weeks before the draft or whatever it is, I

2066
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 1: think he's one of those guys you know people say, uh,

2067
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, at the scouting combine, a stock is rising

2068
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: and falling I don't think that that's true, But I

2069
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:33,839
Speaker 1: do think stock can rise and fall on the guys

2070
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 1: who are very or The NFL is very, very very

2071
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: divided on and right now at the quarterback position. No one. Uh,

2072
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 1: there's there's division about no one more than there is

2073
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 1: about Jordan Love from Utah State. He's had some very

2074
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: very good moments. He's a good player, but in this

2075
01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 1: I think is a big but. Um. You know, he

2076
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: has not had the success in college, especially coming after

2077
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 1: a good twenty eighteen season. You know, he went down

2078
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: a little bit in twenty nineteen, got a marijuana bust

2079
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,679
Speaker 1: before their Utah States Bowl game. And though most people,

2080
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:19,240
Speaker 1: me included, don't care about that, it's a little bit

2081
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: stupid for a guy to put himself in in position

2082
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: to get arrested for anything. No matter what you think

2083
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:31,759
Speaker 1: about marijuana, it's bad to put yourself in the position

2084
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: to get arrested for anything as you're preparing to be

2085
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:39,759
Speaker 1: drafted by the NFL. So again, those are all things

2086
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: that teams are going to have to get comfort levels with.

2087
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 1: Now you ask about Miami, and I think Miami ends

2088
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 1: up with Tua somehow, some way, whether they trade up

2089
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: for him, a little bit or not. I just think

2090
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 1: it makes too much sense that Stephen Ross, the owner

2091
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins, has in everybody's head in the organization

2092
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: this is the year We're getting our franchise quarterback, no

2093
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: matter what we have to do. And I just view

2094
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 1: right now as two of being the best guy other

2095
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 1: than Joe Burrow. I got a question for you about

2096
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Peter, he has regarded as number one prospect

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Speaker 1: going first to the Bengals, and yet you point out

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Speaker 1: in Football Morning in America this week that Bengals might

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Speaker 1: not be set up to really maximize his talent. In fact,

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Speaker 1: our buddy Alex van Pelt will be at significant loss

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Speaker 1: to their coaching staff as he moves up the state

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Speaker 1: to Cleveland to be offensive coordinated there. Can you elaborate

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Speaker 1: on that? Please? Well? I think that when people look

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Speaker 1: at where the Bengals are right now, you know this

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Speaker 1: is a team that that has not won a playoff

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Speaker 1: game and over a quarter century, and the jury is

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Speaker 1: very much still out on their coaching staff. They had

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Speaker 1: a terrible offensive line last year and although they get

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Speaker 1: you know, they've they've traditionally drafted well on the line

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Speaker 1: and get last year's first round pickback who was hurt

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Speaker 1: all last year. To buttress the line, you know, what,

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Speaker 1: which aj Green are you going to get this year?

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Speaker 1: The guy who is a dominant receiver in the NFL

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01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: or a guy who has missed twenty four the last

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01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 1: thirty two games with injury. It's you know, the Bengals

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01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: are right now a very shaky franchise, and I think

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Speaker 1: most people look at Joe Burrow, you know, it's almost

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Speaker 1: like he goes from a franchise in the SEC that

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Speaker 1: had zero weaknesses. It was extremely well coached and had deep,

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Speaker 1: had had depth at every position. And in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I look at Joe Burrow and I basically say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you're him, I mean, what a bummer it must

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01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 1: feel like to go to the worst team in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and maybe the worst team by a lot, with no

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Speaker 1: great evidence that they're going to be able to turn

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Speaker 1: it around very quick. So I'm just trying to look

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Speaker 1: at this realistically. And the NFL hates when people look

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Speaker 1: at things like that realistically. But you know, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: are at downtrodden franchise and you know, this is a

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01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 1: this is a tough this would have been a tough

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01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,680
Speaker 1: place for Dan Marino or Brett Farmer Patrick Mahomes to

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Speaker 1: turn around, and so there's a lot of pressure on

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01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow coming into Cincinnati. Well. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that about this draft as well, is that at the

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Speaker 1: top of the draft there's a little uncertainty about maybe

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01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 1: Washington doing something other than taking Young the pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're not as happy with Haskins as they thought,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they'd trade back or flip flip picks with

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Speaker 1: some people. I keep hearing that, Steve, you know, I

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Speaker 1: heard that, and Ron rivera Is has talked openly about Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, nobody's assured of anything, and I get that,

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Speaker 1: but you know, let's just make a couple of points

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Speaker 1: here and there. And look, look, as I said, I

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Speaker 1: think I said something to Dan Patrick like that. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that'll happen in a million years, and I

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01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 1: really do not think it'll happen. But I think at

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Speaker 1: this time of year, what's the best thing you do

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01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,560
Speaker 1: for your franchise. The best thing you do is to

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01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: create the maximum amount of leverage in every situation possible.

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01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: Washington wants everyone to know that, hey, we might take

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01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 1: to a Tagabaloa, and that helps their bargaining position because

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Speaker 1: now if Miami really thinks there's a chance they might

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01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 1: do it, Miami's got a trade up to Washington to

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Speaker 1: get them and maybe give two ones and a two

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Speaker 1: to do that. Then Washington maybe and I'm just look,

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Speaker 1: this is a maybe. Then Washington maybe trades up to

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Speaker 1: number three with Detroit giving the extra one back and

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01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: to move up three spots, so for an absolutely free

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Speaker 1: second round draft pick, they'd be able to sit at

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Speaker 1: number three and draft and draft Chase Young, who they

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Speaker 1: were going to take at number two. Anyway, Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's happening. I'm not saying that will happen.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going to happen now seven

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Speaker 1: weeks before the draft. But I always think when I

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Speaker 1: hear that, And by the way, the owners, the guy

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Speaker 1: who wanted who wanted Haskins, and so how about your

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01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the owner now hires a guy

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Speaker 1: who comes in and says, hey, by the way, owner

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Speaker 1: Dean Snyder, I don't like this quarterback. We're going to

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Speaker 1: dump them. And can you imagine how bad the market

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Speaker 1: would be for Dwayne Haskins. I mean, think about it,

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Speaker 1: because the last time we saw this, it was Arizona

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Speaker 1: and Josh Rosen. But there's a major difference here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Arizona was bringing in a coach who was the first

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Speaker 1: coach to ever recruit Kyler Murray in college, who played

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Speaker 1: a totally different offense than Josh Rosen ever played in

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Speaker 1: his life. And this coach came, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: hire this coach, and this coach says, I really want

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. That's different than Ron Rivera. Walking in Rivera

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Speaker 1: has no tide to a tag of Alois or the

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Speaker 1: current quarterback. But the owner drafted, the owner directed in

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Speaker 1: however you'd want to phrase it. The owner wanted Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Haskins last year, he got him, and to think that

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Speaker 1: he would give up on him after half a year

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Speaker 1: of playing football and looking lousy, I just think is

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I think it's totally unrealistic.

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Speaker 1: I can't see it happening, and I think it would

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Speaker 1: be a huge mistake. A blessing I have for you, Peter,

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Speaker 1: and you wrote this, and I want you to talk

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Speaker 1: about this guy a little bit because Steve, I think

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Speaker 1: agrees with you. There the most impressive player at the

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Speaker 1: Combine last week. What did you like? Well, this guy

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Speaker 1: for from Clemson named Isaiah Simmons the and I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what position you can call him, because listen,

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Speaker 1: I had one coach say to me, I could see

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Speaker 1: him play safety. I could see him play any linebacker position.

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Speaker 1: And I could also see him playing slot corner. If

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Speaker 1: you if if it were you know, an urgent need

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Speaker 1: you know, you'd probably bring him in more as a

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Speaker 1: safety or you know, as you know, as an edge guy, uh,

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Speaker 1: in your you know, in your linebacker unit. But just imagine,

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Speaker 1: let's say you're gonna play sixty five percent nickel, which

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01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 1: most teams are playing sixty five seventy percent nickel easy,

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01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: but let's say you're gonna play that much. That means

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01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: right now that you know you have mostly like seven

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Speaker 1: back end players most often on the field. They're very

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01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 1: often on the field. And if you have seven back

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01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 1: end players and sometimes eight, imagine you draft a guy

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Speaker 1: who can play anywhere in that back end. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's what he showed. He's so fast, but he's

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Speaker 1: got quick twitch movement that I think not only was

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Speaker 1: seen at the Combine, but you saw it when he's

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Speaker 1: playing for Clemson. So I think he's a really fascinating guy.

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Speaker 1: And I almost think after watching him run and after

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01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 1: listening to people talk about him, I would not be

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Speaker 1: surprised to see him go as high as number three

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Speaker 1: at all, because you're not drafting a single player, you're

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Speaker 1: drafting a utility player. It's like Pro Football Focus has

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Speaker 1: been writing about this recently, and I think it's really

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Speaker 1: really smart, especially if you watch the defensive coordinators like

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Speaker 1: Wink Martindale in Baltimore positionless players. In other words, just

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Speaker 1: get the guy on my team and I'll figure out

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Speaker 1: where to use them, right And you know, honestly, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at Edmonds in Buffalo right now, he's

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Speaker 1: a guy who I can see playing not maybe as

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Speaker 1: many positions, you know, as this guy, but he's he's

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Speaker 1: extremely dangerous all over the back end of the field.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's I think we're looking that's going

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Speaker 1: to be more and more a trend in the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense to Pete. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on with us. Appreciate it's good hearing from you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: great talking to you guys. Thanks a lot for calling.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Peter, Peter King, the member of the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame selection Committee, contributed to NBC Sports Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night Football Coverage and of course NBC Sports writer Football

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Speaker 1: Morning in America. He likes your guy, Isaiah Simmons. Is

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Speaker 1: he your guy, Simmons? I think so, yeah, And Peter

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01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:01,040
Speaker 1: said he could go up the number three in the draft.

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Speaker 1: That'd be getting him No. No, number three in the draft.

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Speaker 1: That'd be huge that guy, because he's right, peach right,

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01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: you could put him. And what it does is his

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01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 1: presence on the back end of your defense creates doubt

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01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: in the quarterback's mind on a third down? What is

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01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: this guy? Is he gonna rush? Is he gonna cover?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna cover man to man? Is he gonna

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Speaker 1: drop in? Is he gonna be a linebacker? Is he

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Speaker 1: playing safety? Is he gonna drop out into deep coverage?

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01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean he can play anywhere. He could drop deep

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Speaker 1: as a safety for goodness sakes, and he weighs two

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight pounds. He could also come up

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Speaker 1: and stuff you in the run, or he could come

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Speaker 1: off there. So he creates an uncertainty about his role

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01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 1: in the defense when he's just standing out there wherever

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01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 1: he is, and so that's that's a huge plus. And

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Speaker 1: he's he's big enough to stand up to the run,

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Speaker 1: fast enough and athletic enough to cover in the slot

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Speaker 1: of the you know, safety whatever you want. That's he's

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Speaker 1: a huge weapon, I think defensively. I mean, he had

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Speaker 1: a name going into the combine, but he has burst

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Speaker 1: into the consciousness of football fans after his combine last week.

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Speaker 1: Right with the speed with a forty yard dash. Yeah,

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01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 1: great size. Yeah. Isaiah Simmons, Clemson. All right, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about Dean Blandino. Is he coming back? We teased

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Speaker 1: that last segment. We didn't get to it. We'll get

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01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 1: to it when we come back. By the way, there's

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Speaker 1: still time to get involved in our Twitter poll and

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Speaker 1: call us up with your thoughts on this question. What

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Speaker 1: move is most important for the Buffalo defense this off season?

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Speaker 1: Eighth fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty. We're back with more One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalid to Health from the Seneca Studio in

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Speaker 1: Orchard Park. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. We're back number

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Speaker 1: with the off better Argument agetting about the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was notable that Peter King referred to

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01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals as downtrod Are they really at an awful

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01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 1: year last year? Are they downtrodden? Were the Bills downtrodden

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01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 1: when they went seventeen years without a playoff? Berth? If

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01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 1: you got the first pick of the draft, yeah, you're downtrodden.

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Speaker 1: I think downtrodden means well whatever. I'm not gonna get

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01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 1: into perpetually. Yeah, they're not perpetually. No, they're not. Okay,

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Speaker 1: how about the Chargers? You want to argue about them?

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01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: Just kidding, I have a conversation. I want to argue, Hey, yeah, yeah,

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01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,600
Speaker 1: let's just go down the list of team. No, here's

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll argue about this. ESPN report Kevin

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01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 1: Seaffert reports that last week in the Combine a lot

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01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: of whispering about big changes coming to the NFL officiating.

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01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 1: A new collective bargain agreement's coming, obviously all those prospects.

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01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: Obviously general understanding though, that the NFL is contemplating the

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01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:54,080
Speaker 1: leadership shake up in the officiating department. The biggest question

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01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 1: is whether a cadre great word, cadre of internal advocates

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Speaker 1: can successfully recruit former What are you doing? My computer

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01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:04,560
Speaker 1: just died? The power went off. Oh boy, can you

2293
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 1: continue or do you got to take the rest of

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01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 1: the day. I might just take a minute. Go ahead

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01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:13,200
Speaker 1: discussion of whether a cadre of internal people cadrea. I

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01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 1: can't say that enough can convince successfully recruit former officiating

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01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 1: chief Dean Blandino into a full time job that will

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01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 1: include supervision of the officiating department. He left in twenty seventeen,

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01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 1: went to Fox Sports, caught the league by surprise, caught

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01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 1: TV people by surprise. Why they regarded as one of

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Speaker 1: the few people with enough credibility in public presence to

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Speaker 1: manage the officiating department. And obviously this is the result

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Speaker 1: of replay review on past interference this year. But the

2304
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:43,200
Speaker 1: whole thing past interference replay review went so poorly last

2305
01:58:43,240 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 1: year that people started criticizing. Yes, I was pointing to Steve,

2306
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 1: People started criticizing the whole officiating department. Do they know

2307
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: what they're doing? Under what's his name? A river run?

2308
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 1: Let me just read a little bit more. I want

2309
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this, Steve. Now Blendino has

2310
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 1: been working with the Alliance of American Football field American

2311
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 1: Football went under. Now it's with the XFL, so he's

2312
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 1: available really. Um, he's also in with PAC twelve and

2313
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 1: yeah and Big ten or and TVs TV stuff. But

2314
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 1: the problems with officiating ran so deep last year that

2315
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:18,200
Speaker 1: they're thinking about bringing Dean Blandino back. Um, of course

2316
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 1: you'd be in favor of that, right, Who wouldn't be

2317
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 1: in favor of Dean Blandino coming in? Yeah? He quote

2318
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 1: I'll quote him from the articles A Riveron was responsible

2319
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:28,080
Speaker 1: for the fundamental breakdown of the rule, failure to establish

2320
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 1: a consistent standard for reversing it. The on talking about

2321
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: the past interference rule. Yes, there's no indication that he'll

2322
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:36,600
Speaker 1: be fired, but internal discussions about Ben Blandino as well

2323
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 1: as Anderson's hire Old Anderson Walton confirmed that what has

2324
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: been rumored for months, there will be additional authority alongside

2325
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 1: Al Riveron, perhaps above him. In twenty twenty that we

2326
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:53,720
Speaker 1: said it, they it was. It was Mike Pereira gone,

2327
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 1: it was Dean Blandino gone, and the last guy in

2328
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:58,560
Speaker 1: the room was Al Riveron, and it was you know,

2329
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 1: the job's too big for our It was too big

2330
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:02,680
Speaker 1: for him. He didn't do a good job, and he

2331
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:05,440
Speaker 1: didn't understand his role, I don't think as well as

2332
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 1: he should have. It was about being consistent and having

2333
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 1: the same eyes on the same look week in week out,

2334
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 1: and he was all over the map. He just was

2335
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 1: not consistent in his judgment calls about what was going

2336
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: on with the league and the reasons behind that judgment

2337
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:24,120
Speaker 1: that was. That was really a hallmark of the way

2338
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 1: it was with Mike Pereira and Dean Blandino. They were

2339
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:29,800
Speaker 1: very consistent, had a great understanding of why they were

2340
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:32,400
Speaker 1: making calls the way they did, and had a great

2341
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:35,560
Speaker 1: ability to explain it. And that all went away when

2342
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 1: when they started hiring them to the networks, and it's

2343
02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:40,080
Speaker 1: deteriorated to the point where it's time to try and

2344
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 1: bring one of those guys back or both. Can I

2345
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,840
Speaker 1: say this so and this will come off as a

2346
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 1: defensive al riveron It is not. But they have so

2347
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: much they and last year it was the coaches who

2348
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of went rogue and passed the instant replay review

2349
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:56,240
Speaker 1: for past interference. They have changed the rules so much

2350
02:00:56,280 --> 02:00:59,640
Speaker 1: in such a hurry to alter rules, it's the job

2351
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 1: is too big for anyone man. I don't know if

2352
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 1: Dean Blandino could have could have handled it last year

2353
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 1: by himself. We're talking about keeping out Riveron in a

2354
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:10,840
Speaker 1: major role. Walt Anderson came back as um, what's the

2355
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:14,960
Speaker 1: newly created job? He helps out Riveron and Dean Blandino

2356
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 1: would would come in and supervise those two. All right,

2357
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 1: you need three guys to do it because they've changed

2358
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:21,880
Speaker 1: the rules so much I made it's so complicated to

2359
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 1: enforce pass interference on replay review. Come on that, that's

2360
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 1: an impossible test. So if if Blandino comes back, fine,

2361
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:31,840
Speaker 1: I look forward to that. I would applaud that, but

2362
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 1: also get rid of the replay review on past interference. Right,

2363
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:36,920
Speaker 1: and there's rid of replay reviewing. There's no making it

2364
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:38,840
Speaker 1: perfect the way they had it set up last year,

2365
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:40,760
Speaker 1: no question about it. But I will say this, not

2366
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:44,000
Speaker 1: only would we as viewers and fans had a better

2367
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:46,080
Speaker 1: idea of what they were looking at and what we

2368
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 1: were getting as a judgment call on these offensive pass

2369
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:54,840
Speaker 1: interference defensive pass interference challenges, so would the coaches and

2370
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:59,520
Speaker 1: they would have had a systematic way of knowing what

2371
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 1: they should and what they should not challenge. And it

2372
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:07,120
Speaker 1: was never communicated properly. It was never understood because it

2373
02:02:07,320 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 1: was it was administered in an inconsistent and seemingly arbitrary manner.

2374
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:15,800
Speaker 1: You can't have that coming from the authority on rules enforcement.

2375
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 1: That's where it broke down. And I think that's where

2376
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 1: even in the midst of the mess they had last year,

2377
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:24,440
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been as big a mess as it was,

2378
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:26,360
Speaker 1: And certainly even if it was, it would have been

2379
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 1: a mess. At least we understood. That's what I think,

2380
02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, it's like we're thinking about this

2381
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:36,840
Speaker 1: big number one receiver. They'll be better with better people

2382
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:39,280
Speaker 1: in place, and Dean Blandino is one of the best, right,

2383
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 1: if not the best. You may get closure to this well.

2384
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. The owners meet at the end of

2385
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 1: March in Florida, at which time the Competition Committee will

2386
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 1: review the discussion about replay review on pass interference. Mark

2387
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:55,160
Speaker 1: Murphy from the Packers said last week it did not

2388
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,760
Speaker 1: go great. No, killing, it didn't go great. We saw

2389
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,320
Speaker 1: the league last year at any rate. That's coming up

2390
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:01,440
Speaker 1: at the end of March. I don't know if they'll

2391
02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:03,640
Speaker 1: bring in Blandino at the end of March, but they

2392
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,520
Speaker 1: are kind of positioning themselves to bringing him back. All right,

2393
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 1: let's do this. We haven't done this in a day

2394
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:10,640
Speaker 1: or two. It is NFL true and false, brought to

2395
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:13,520
Speaker 1: you by Yancy's, Fancy New York's artists and cheese. You're ready, Steve,

2396
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,240
Speaker 1: let me pull it out so I can have it

2397
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:17,680
Speaker 1: in front of me. True or false is my computer?

2398
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:23,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts would be the developmental quarterback that the Bills need.

2399
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:28,440
Speaker 1: I questioned the initial assertion that the Bills need a

2400
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 1: developmental quarterback. I thought that Josh Allen, bill starter was

2401
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 1: a developmental quarterback. Jalen Hurts from Oklahoma had a decent combine,

2402
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:40,360
Speaker 1: not great last week. This was a post in The Athletic.

2403
02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 1: Don't know who wrote it. Maybe our producer Jay Harris

2404
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 1: can help me out with there. But they're right that

2405
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:48,400
Speaker 1: Matt Barkley is entering the final year of his contract.

2406
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:52,320
Speaker 1: On the field, his results have been uneven debatable. Off

2407
02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:54,720
Speaker 1: the field, he's been an asset to Allen. That's true.

2408
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't know the drafting a quarterback. Look, I know

2409
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,240
Speaker 1: they've got If you can get Jalen Hurts in the

2410
02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:03,800
Speaker 1: fourth round at the earliest, that might be the earliest

2411
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:06,160
Speaker 1: that I would take that, But no, no, that Bills

2412
02:04:06,200 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: do not need to development a quarterback. They're all in

2413
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,800
Speaker 1: on developing the starting quarterback, which happens to be Josh

2414
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:13,000
Speaker 1: Allen going into his third year. I agree with you.

2415
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 1: Certainly Jalen Hurts would be the third guy in the lineup.

2416
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,640
Speaker 1: They're not going to get rid of Matt Barkley's in

2417
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:19,400
Speaker 1: the last year of his deal. It's a They got

2418
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:22,240
Speaker 1: the quarterback room structured exactly the way they wanted. Certainly,

2419
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts would benefit from Brian day Ball being his

2420
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator because he had him one year at Alabama

2421
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,560
Speaker 1: before he transferred Oklahoma for his final year, and there

2422
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:35,520
Speaker 1: would be that relationship. But Jalen Hurts isn't gonna comit

2423
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 1: in to steal Matt Barkley's job. He's not going to

2424
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 1: get it done. And this is an organization that is

2425
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:46,720
Speaker 1: not about developing another young quarterback. Everything in the quarterback

2426
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,560
Speaker 1: summer on the offensive quarterbacks where they're trying to win games, right,

2427
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:52,000
Speaker 1: They're about getting Josh Allen ready to play each and

2428
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 1: every week. And that's why Matt Barkley's here, That's why

2429
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:57,400
Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey's here, that's why Brian Dayball's here. That's what

2430
02:04:57,480 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 1: they're all focused on doing, and that's what Josh is

2431
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,680
Speaker 1: becased on doing. If Jalen Hurts could help that process, maybe,

2432
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:06,880
Speaker 1: but I don't know that. I think it'd be more

2433
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,760
Speaker 1: likely that they would bring in a very veteran quarterback,

2434
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:11,880
Speaker 1: could be number three quarterback and keep him on the roster.

2435
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 1: Davis Webb, Right, you're talking about I mean, you talk

2436
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:17,560
Speaker 1: about a third quarterback? Right? What are you talking about? Right?

2437
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 1: It's not made to play. You're not gonna blow a

2438
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:23,520
Speaker 1: fourth round maybe not even a sixth round draft pick

2439
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:25,480
Speaker 1: on a quarterback that you never expect to see the

2440
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 1: field for your organization. True or false. Number two. The

2441
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:31,560
Speaker 1: move for the Bills who avoid this offseason overspending on

2442
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 1: a free agent wide receiver. That's the move to avoid

2443
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:37,960
Speaker 1: you go first because I can, Yeah, go ahead, that's true.

2444
02:05:38,200 --> 02:05:40,760
Speaker 1: That's exactly true. You can't overspend for anything and hope

2445
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,040
Speaker 1: to get value out of your roster and your salary cap.

2446
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:45,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna get another wide receiver. They're gonna try and

2447
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:47,880
Speaker 1: find a guy that will line up as the third

2448
02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 1: guy every single week of the season instead of rotating

2449
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:52,640
Speaker 1: guys in and out, they'll find a guy with a

2450
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:54,920
Speaker 1: certain skill set that they think will complement the guys

2451
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 1: they already have on the field. But they are not

2452
02:05:56,760 --> 02:06:00,839
Speaker 1: gonna They're not gonna overspend. So that's true. Cannot overspend.

2453
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:02,640
Speaker 1: I think that's true. And even this is in Bleacher

2454
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:05,240
Speaker 1: Report Brent Sobieski, and he gets it too. He said,

2455
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:08,040
Speaker 1: if the Bills can't find someone to compliment their current targets,

2456
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:11,560
Speaker 1: general manager Brandon Bean is doing something wrong. Te Haggens,

2457
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:15,560
Speaker 1: Denzel Men, Kaitlin Johnson, Chase Claypool, Michael Pittman all six

2458
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 1: three or taller they could be in playing the first

2459
02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 1: three rounds. Yeah, you don't want to overspend on a

2460
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 1: free agent wide receiver, you really don't. That's definitely a

2461
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 1: move to avoid that's true. Finally, NFL two or false.

2462
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:28,880
Speaker 1: In the CBA discussion, NFL players are facing a class

2463
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 1: divide between big names and no names. This is true. Well,

2464
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:34,800
Speaker 1: it matter when the votes are counted. I don't know.

2465
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think there are more no names,

2466
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 1: more first second, third year players, more core players as

2467
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:44,040
Speaker 1: was described earlier today, than there are big names. I

2468
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:46,160
Speaker 1: don't think it'll be a factor, but it's true. There's

2469
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 1: a class divide. I don't know, what do you think? Yeah,

2470
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:51,200
Speaker 1: I think there's this way when you played, not to

2471
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:53,760
Speaker 1: this extent, because there was only a handful of guys,

2472
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe not even a handful, less than a handful on

2473
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:58,760
Speaker 1: every team that we're really making life changing money. Now

2474
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:04,120
Speaker 1: there's maybe a you know ten. So there is a

2475
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 1: classified there always has been. But that saying it's a

2476
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:10,640
Speaker 1: class divide maybe accentuates it. Accentuates it more than maybe

2477
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:12,680
Speaker 1: overstate or maybe overstates it. I guess is what I'm

2478
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:16,080
Speaker 1: trying to say. A divide is not what I would

2479
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:18,720
Speaker 1: describe it as, but it is a difference in what's

2480
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:20,640
Speaker 1: good for one group and good for another. There's no

2481
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they're divided about it. They all understand

2482
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:26,000
Speaker 1: where they're sitting. But the question is that there are

2483
02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:29,760
Speaker 1: more guys who this deal will help in the locker room. Uh,

2484
02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:32,560
Speaker 1: it's not going to help the star players very much,

2485
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:35,560
Speaker 1: but it will help the most of the other players.

2486
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:38,800
Speaker 1: And I think even the star players can say, uh,

2487
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 1: with with not too much uncertainty, that they can understand why,

2488
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, the other guys would vote for it. They're

2489
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:48,000
Speaker 1: not going to sit down and there's not gonna be

2490
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:51,080
Speaker 1: there's not going to be any grudges held over the

2491
02:07:51,120 --> 02:07:53,880
Speaker 1: divide here between this vote. Here's how it's written. It's

2492
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,680
Speaker 1: USA article about the class divide coming to the NFL.

2493
02:07:57,240 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 1: If more than half the rank and file decide to

2494
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 1: approve it would be it should be a done deal.

2495
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:06,200
Speaker 1: And for every Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, J. J. Watt,

2496
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:10,080
Speaker 1: there are approximately thirty guys on each NFL roster earning

2497
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:13,080
Speaker 1: minimum salaries, praying they stay in the league for four years,

2498
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,520
Speaker 1: needed to be fully vested for the improved benefits of

2499
02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:17,760
Speaker 1: a new CBA. You talked about that how important it

2500
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:20,640
Speaker 1: is to get to your fully vested status. And most

2501
02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:23,560
Speaker 1: of the players, sixty to seventy percent are in that boat.

2502
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna vote for this, you would think, because it's

2503
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:28,160
Speaker 1: good for them. Yeah, and that's true too. And plus

2504
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:29,720
Speaker 1: you can get to a point if you can be

2505
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:32,120
Speaker 1: a solid contributor or a guy who gets better all

2506
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,200
Speaker 1: the time and who's a good locker room guy and

2507
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:36,200
Speaker 1: all that, so you can get out there in the

2508
02:08:36,280 --> 02:08:38,120
Speaker 1: free agent market and just sign a one year deal,

2509
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 1: Say give me some money, and you can sign a

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Speaker 1: five million dollar deal for one year in the league.

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Speaker 1: Say yeah, I can do it, because you're gonna give

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Speaker 1: me exactly what I'm looking for in my special teams captain,

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Speaker 1: or you're gonna give me exactly what I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: in my third safety or that kind of thing. And

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Speaker 1: that's not a deal a backbreaker for a team if

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Speaker 1: you can contribute in a number of different ways, and

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Speaker 1: five million bucks can change your life. So those guys

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Speaker 1: are hanging on and doing it, and they'll take this

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Speaker 1: deal in order to stay in the league and extend

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Speaker 1: their longevity because, as I told you, for one thing

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Speaker 1: that most players retired, current and future will tell you

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Speaker 1: one thing everybody wants is a long career, a longevity.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things that is a peg of

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Speaker 1: respect that goes from generation to generation. Here you go.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a good one today, NFL TRU

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Speaker 1: or false. Don't you it was a good one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Three issues that we had. I think we agreed on everyone,

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Speaker 1: but that's okay. Three issues that were good to discuss.

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Speaker 1: we learned today? Brought to me by Skyworks, the official

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Speaker 1: construction equipment rental company of the Buffalo Bills. What have

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Speaker 1: we learned from? Jason lack On fora? We had him

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Speaker 1: at one o'clock. He's from cbssports dot Com, also does

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Speaker 1: some reporting for the NFL. On CBS, Jason lack On

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Speaker 1: Fora talked about the possibility of Derek Carr of the

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Speaker 1: Raiders being a quarterback the Patriots could target if they

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Speaker 1: lose Tom Brady. Here's lack On fora. You know, if

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Speaker 1: they're not in a great cap situation, they're not overloaded

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Speaker 1: with picks, and they get a lot of holes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr with that group of skill position players, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that you're scoring a whole lot more points

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Speaker 1: than you did last year, and now you're talking about

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Speaker 1: maybe giving up a couple of picks on top of

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Speaker 1: it that you desperately need to make that cast better

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Speaker 1: around him. There'd be some interesting calculus for Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: to do in a situation like that. One of the

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Speaker 1: many interesting things Jason lack On fora had for us

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Speaker 1: today Peter King same thing. Peter King joined us earlier

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Speaker 1: this hour. One of the things he wrote this week's

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Speaker 1: Football Morning in America was that the Bills and others

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02:11:04,040 --> 02:11:06,800
Speaker 1: should be interested in pursuing quarterback Case Keenum as a

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Speaker 1: backup for Josh Allen. Peter King elaborated for US when

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Speaker 1: he was on the show with us, to me, this

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Speaker 1: guy is a really experienced guy. He is an unselfish guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a team guy. Look, I think Josh McCown is

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Speaker 1: the best guy I've ever seen in that role. And

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Speaker 1: so but I'm not saying he's Josh McCown in that

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Speaker 1: role because I don't know him as well as I

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Speaker 1: know McCown. But I do know that he's going to

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Speaker 1: know which way the wind is blowing. And when I

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Speaker 1: was in Indianapolis, I heard that there might be a

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Speaker 1: connection there. Maybe. I still think they're pretty good with

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Speaker 1: Matt Barkley, don't you He and Josh Oh I think

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Speaker 1: in that quarterback room they're all slid. Those those four,

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Speaker 1: I think with the strides that they made this last

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Speaker 1: year and in Josh Allen's game, the work they've done,

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Speaker 1: I think there's no reason that they think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: they should deviate from that. They're they're getting really good

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Speaker 1: production or really good progress out of it. I think

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Speaker 1: they're ready to take another step. You know, we're in

2574
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Speaker 1: such an interesting part of the year. Everybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: people just speculate about this matchup that they should go

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Speaker 1: get this guy that guy, and you and I don't

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Speaker 1: do a lot of that, and for that reason, I

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02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:23,400
Speaker 1: think we get dismissed as out of touch. I think

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02:12:23,400 --> 02:12:24,920
Speaker 1: we're in touch with what the Bills are doing and

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Speaker 1: the way they think. Now I don't I don't have

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Speaker 1: every answer to what they're doing, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get Odell Beckham Junior or replace SMTT Barkley

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Speaker 1: as a backup, you know what I mean? Right? And

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Speaker 1: I think people look at us like, Wow, they don't

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02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:38,160
Speaker 1: know what they're They haven't followed the leads, well, they

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Speaker 1: haven't followed the stories. Well, the stories are all bologning

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Speaker 1: this time of year, right, any because there's so many

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Speaker 1: things that are out of out of your control and

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Speaker 1: out of the team's control. Now, certainly they're going to

2590
02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:47,800
Speaker 1: target guys in free agency, no question about it, and

2591
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Speaker 1: they're gonna go out and get them. But those players

2592
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:51,880
Speaker 1: can say no, they can go to other things. Other

2593
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 1: teams may think they're more highly of them than the

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Speaker 1: Bills do, or or want to pay them more. And

2595
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Speaker 1: it maybe just as simple as that. You gotta wait

2596
02:12:58,280 --> 02:13:00,680
Speaker 1: for those chips to fall. And however those chips fall

2597
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:04,200
Speaker 1: will dictate your plan for the draft. And then not

2598
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:06,240
Speaker 1: only will that dictate your plan for the draft, but

2599
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Speaker 1: feedback you get from other gms about what's going to

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Speaker 1: take to move up or down or sideways in the

2601
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:12,320
Speaker 1: draft is going to dictate your plans. So there's so

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Speaker 1: much that is yet to be determined. It's almost impossible

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Speaker 1: to prognosticate what these teams are gonna do, let alone

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Speaker 1: what they're even thinking, because there's so much out of

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Speaker 1: their control as well. So you gotta wait till the

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Speaker 1: chips fall. Certainly they're gonna watch film, they've got a

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Speaker 1: list of players they like, but there's a lot out

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Speaker 1: of their control. They just gotta have to wait and

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Speaker 1: see how the chips fall, and a lot of time

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Speaker 1: for stuff to happen. Still, right as you said, next week,

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Speaker 1: you're two weeks away, and the players got to decide

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Speaker 1: what they want to do. That's right, hey. Our production

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Speaker 1: is Jay Harris. Coming back tomorrow afternoon at noon noon

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