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Speaker 1: Welcome to Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this, it's a good week. This

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Speaker 1: But first, my top takes of the week. College basketball

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Speaker 1: is my first thought today as Michigan and Wisconsin squared

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Speaker 1: this time you've seen the video of the coaches getting

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Speaker 1: You know I would start with this. There are levels

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Speaker 1: obviously too bad behavior. So both Greg Gard, the Wisconsin coach,

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Speaker 1: and Jowan Howard, the Michigan coach, I think should be

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Speaker 1: suspended for their immature, juvenile, boorish behavior after the game.

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Speaker 1: As they got into each other's face. It appeared both

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Speaker 1: It's bad behavior. You're paid seven figures a year to

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Speaker 1: into like a fight afterwards, which has been underdiscussed, throwing

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Speaker 1: a punch by Juwan Howard at a Wisconsin assistant is

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Speaker 1: the worst behavior of all the really boorish, churlish behaviors.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he should be fired. But this all

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Speaker 1: comes down to ego. I went to social media. How

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Speaker 1: many guys said this, Hey man, you touched me. It's

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Speaker 1: game on. Well, no it's not. You have to walk

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Speaker 1: away from that stuff if you're a grown up that

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Speaker 1: basketball at highest levels representing universities. It can't be about

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Speaker 1: your ego all the time. In life. Politicians, sportscasters, basketball coaches,

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Speaker 1: public figures have to walk away from schmucks and jerks

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Speaker 1: and instigators. Okay, both coaches need to grow up. But

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Speaker 1: throwing up punch is the worst action of all the actions.

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Speaker 1: So therefore that's the one I would penalize and punish

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Speaker 1: the most. Some people said, well, Colin, in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Knight did this and that. Listen. I'll never defend

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Speaker 1: of my career. But in the eighties we smoked on airplanes.

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Speaker 1: Let's not take the behavior that was accepted in the

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Speaker 1: Bobby Knight would not last today. Bobby Knights should not

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Speaker 1: have lasted in the nineties. It's embarrassing. And Ian O'Connor

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Speaker 1: writes about some of these instances. It's embarrassing that people

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Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty two. Joan Howard knows better and Greg

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Speaker 1: Gard knows better. Both the guys need to grow up.

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Speaker 1: Something else that happened over the weekend. Rich Ornberger, former

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Speaker 1: sure you've seen it. Most of America has AnyWho. He

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Speaker 1: came out and said with absolute conviction, and he's got

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Speaker 1: connections all over the league that Brady and arians relationship soured.

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Speaker 1: My first takeaway is yeah, I mean, you tell me

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Speaker 1: the superstar in American sports that likes being shouted out

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Speaker 1: Arians did that. He has a right too, he's the

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Speaker 1: was poor form. Tom's a good guy, but he's got

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Speaker 1: him publicly. So when I hear these stories by Rich Orenberger,

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Speaker 1: do have to talk about the Aaron Rodgers Instagram rambling.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting with Aaron. Aaron increasingly,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a little Bill Maher, It's a little

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Speaker 1: that's why I don't necessarily feel the way that many

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers plays his best football in the postseason. There's

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Speaker 1: So this just came down. I want you to react

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Speaker 1: So Scott Kushner, who covers the Pelicans, comes out on

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Speaker 1: we doc Brady because of his age, and Garoppolo because

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Speaker 1: of his health, and Wentz because of his risk factor. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: If I'm a general manager, Aaron's a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: He's a lot of work for the staff. He's a

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Speaker 1: lot of work for the front office. I'm not giving

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Speaker 1: up four firsts for him. I think you have to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm serious about this. Like we dock quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: based on age and health, and Aaron, to me, is

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Speaker 1: not as valuable as Matt Stafford on the open market.

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Speaker 1: Stafford is like a total adult, low maintenance, great in

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Speaker 1: the fourth Like I feel like with Matt, he just

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Speaker 1: does a shit, goes home to his wife and kids,

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Speaker 1: and I don't worry about him. Aaron's gotten to the

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Speaker 1: point where it's like, man, it's a little like Durant.

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Speaker 1: You gotta walk on eggshells a lot with him. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm I'm very pro Durant, even though

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Speaker 1: I think we could talk about any one of our

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Speaker 1: single favorite athletes ever, and if we wanted to make

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Speaker 1: a negative argument about him or anti argument, you know,

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Speaker 1: we do this for a living. I could come up

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Speaker 1: with some stuff, but I just don't even like I've

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Speaker 1: almost made a rule recently, it's if I like like

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Speaker 1: ninety percent, yet I don't want to spend time on

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Speaker 1: pointing out the ten percent all the time. You and

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Speaker 1: I have disagreed about Rogers in the past. I think

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Speaker 1: you were harder on him than I was. I think

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Speaker 1: I've defended him throughout his entire career. I've loved watching

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Speaker 1: him play. You know, he's going to go down as

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Speaker 1: one of the all time greats as far as his ability.

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Speaker 1: His resume is not gonna be close to some of

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Speaker 1: the other top guys. But I started to come to

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Speaker 1: your side of the argument a little bit through this

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Speaker 1: last season because I kept thinking, Look, if you need

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Speaker 1: to be more specific about what is so bad, that's

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Speaker 1: what you said about Yeah, like, if you're mad about

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love, I get it. I also think Brady should

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Speaker 1: have been pissed about Garoppolo or the time they took

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell. I think in the third round, do you

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Speaker 1: remember that well he's now a head coach of the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: You don't remember his playing career. It was a total whiff.

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Speaker 1: They're like, why do you have to get cute with

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Speaker 1: this shit? And so I felt like with Rogers, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you need to convince me that you're basically Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Like imagine, like I'm looking at him, going, you guys

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Speaker 1: have a really good roster. No one's ever had a

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Speaker 1: problem with this front office until you've pointed out they've

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Speaker 1: actually spent in free agency with this new regime much

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Speaker 1: more they did with Ted Thompson. And yet they've always

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Speaker 1: put this together. And if I really wanted to get

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Speaker 1: a Roger's case, you start pointing to some of these

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Speaker 1: home playoff losses and I'm not even going there with it.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't like he was convincing enough for me

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Speaker 1: to believe in all the drama, which would then lead

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Speaker 1: towards how high maintenance is this guy now? To say

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Speaker 1: is he worth it? Think about some of these franchises

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Speaker 1: that go easily two decades before they have any answer

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Speaker 1: at the position. If you know you can bring him

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Speaker 1: in even at his age, he's still worth it. It It

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Speaker 1: actually kind of mirrors your Michael Porter Jr. Point that

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Speaker 1: we didn't really finish. I heard stuff. I also heard

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Speaker 1: the most important thing, that he was the biggest medical

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Speaker 1: red flag teams that had seen in ten plus years.

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Speaker 1: But no one cares about the tow truck, No one

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Speaker 1: cares about some of his political No one cares about

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Speaker 1: that stuff. If he's healthy in scoring twenty a game.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying no one, but you understand in

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Speaker 1: the scheme of what we do in talking sports, if

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Speaker 1: you're productive, those things don't matter as much. If for Rogers,

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Speaker 1: he's still as productive as anyone playing the position. Although

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Speaker 1: I agree like this has taken a turn the last

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Speaker 1: year plus where I've thought, how are you this mad

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Speaker 1: when the team has been this good? Right, like they're

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Speaker 1: not going four and twelve every year. Make sure to

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Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite guys that's ever written

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Speaker 1: a column I think sometimes columnists, not all, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of columnists to get it. To be a columnist,

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Speaker 1: you have to be a great writer. But sometimes when

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Speaker 1: a columnist becomes a columnist, they forget how good of

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Speaker 1: a reporter they were and what ian does. And I

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Speaker 1: think you do this better than any columnist in the country.

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Speaker 1: You're still a dogged reporter and a columnist, so you

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Speaker 1: remember your roots. I'm not done with your book. I

510
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Speaker 1: have about thirty pages to go. The book is called

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Speaker 1: The Rise and Reign of Mike Sheshevski. It is absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Your level of reporting is insane. I don't even as

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Speaker 1: I read it, I'm like, Okay, how the hell do

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Speaker 1: you know this stuff? You're going back to Army games.

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Speaker 1: But here's what's fascinating. We forget we are so impatient

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Speaker 1: with the young people these days. Mike Shashevsky had a

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Speaker 1: losing record at Army five years into duke. They were

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Speaker 1: getting sand blasted by acc teams, and they gave him

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Speaker 1: a contract extension. And I think that gets lost in

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Speaker 1: this is that you go back to John Wooden. As

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Speaker 1: you know Ian, he didn't win big for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But let's go back and discuss that this book is

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Speaker 1: so fun. It really is. When you bring in the

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Speaker 1: Bob Night stuff, it is jet fuel to this book.

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Speaker 1: It is just you can't get enough of this. But

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Speaker 1: let's go back. How the heck did he get that

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Speaker 1: Duke job? I know because I read it. He had

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Speaker 1: a losing recorded Army and in fact, Bob Knight was

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Speaker 1: a much better coach at Army than Shishevski. It would

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Speaker 1: be easy to go, well, Knight's the great coach, you're

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Speaker 1: a shadow of Night. Why did he get it? Well,

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Speaker 1: Knight helped him get it, and thanks for the kind words, Colin.

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Speaker 1: But Knight was a fairly big advocate of Mike getting

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Speaker 1: that job at Duke. Now he was nine and seventeen

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Speaker 1: that final season. Tom Butters, the ad at Duke, deserves

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Speaker 1: so much credit for having the you know what to

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Speaker 1: hire him at nine and seventeen coming out of Army.

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Speaker 1: Steve as Sendak was an official in the athletic department,

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Speaker 1: former player, and he was an advocate too. He had

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Speaker 1: seen my coach at Army and was a pretty big

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Speaker 1: believer in him and sort of, Hey, you don't know

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Speaker 1: how to pronounce his name, You certainly don't know how

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Speaker 1: to spell it. But the guy's a really good defensive coach.

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Speaker 1: You Tom believe in defense. Let's give this guy a chance.

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Speaker 1: And Butters loved him in the interview process, and he

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Speaker 1: just had a hard time pulling the trigger. How am

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Speaker 1: I gonna sell this to an ACC fan base? Bill

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Speaker 1: Foster just took us to the National championship game. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna hire a nine and seventeen coach at Army nobody's

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Speaker 1: ever heard of, but he did. Those early years were brutal,

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Speaker 1: and the boosters were calling for his head. Fans, students,

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Speaker 1: faculty members wanted him out. He lost, you said ACC opponents.

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Speaker 1: He lost a Wagner at home. You go back and

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Speaker 1: look at that Wagner team in the ECAC Metro. I

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Speaker 1: believe they were in. They were terrible in that conference.

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Speaker 1: They were losing to l i U Saint Francis of

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Speaker 1: New York, and they beat Duke at Duke And that

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Speaker 1: was the point where it really looked like Mike could

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Speaker 1: not survive. Somehow he hung in there. Butters, out of nowhere,

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Speaker 1: gives him a contract extension and the rest is history.

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Speaker 1: He got that recruiting class. Billis Allery Dawkins Henderson, and

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Speaker 1: really that saved him. Without that recruiting class, he gets fired. Finally,

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Speaker 1: you have a book I can see behind you, Belichick,

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00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: which was again classic Ian O'Connor, dogged journalism and reporting.

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Speaker 1: So I saw a story this weekend, Brady, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to believe on social media. I

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Speaker 1: mean the less I read it the better, But that

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Speaker 1: Brady would consider the forty nine ers. And I do

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Speaker 1: think there are jobs. I mean, you came back and

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Speaker 1: you're a columnist in New York. Those are prestigious jobs.

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Speaker 1: You didn't need to be a columnist, but there are

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Speaker 1: calls you get in your life and go, that's worth

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Speaker 1: having a glass a wine with my wife and talking

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Speaker 1: about right. And I do think San Francisco Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: it's not an offense that needs Tom to be He

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Speaker 1: matches Tom's intensity. They're both very smart, very intense. There's

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Speaker 1: a Belichick in field to it, you know that's important

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Speaker 1: to Tom. Arians is too loose. It would be an

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Speaker 1: upgrade over Jimmy g Maybe Tom's got a little of

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Speaker 1: that his hometown. It was his favorite team I think

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Speaker 1: he has. It's also an offense that doesn't ian ask

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Speaker 1: the quarterback to carry them. It's really a run centric offense.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he'd take the call and give it

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Speaker 1: a week or two thought? Not only do I think

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Speaker 1: he'd takes the call call, and I think he's coming back.

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Speaker 1: I never thought this was the end of Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: as a football player. In fact, when he made his announcement,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he used the word retirement in it.

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Speaker 1: And so listen, I had a conversation with him on

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Speaker 1: the phone for about forty five fifty minutes twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about him playing at age forty seven,

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Speaker 1: forty eight, never mind forty five. But he did set

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Speaker 1: forty five as a goal. He never falls short of

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Speaker 1: his goals, and he actually did so. I don't think

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Speaker 1: this was planned. I do believe, and I always thought

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Speaker 1: this that something happened down there that hasn't really fully

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Speaker 1: been detailed yet. Anyway, I never thought he was going

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Speaker 1: to love Bruce arians style, the opposite of Belichick, with

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Speaker 1: a motto win or lose we booze. That is not

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's philosophy. On football in life. So I think

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Speaker 1: he'll either play for the forty nine ers after I

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Speaker 1: do think he'll take a year off, but I think

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Speaker 1: he comes back and either plays for the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers or Josh McDaniels in Las Vegas. So those would

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Speaker 1: be my two franchises to watch. And I think people

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Speaker 1: will say, you can't take a year off at forty

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Speaker 1: five comeback and win a Super Bowl at forty six. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's now created yet another challenge for him to conquer

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Speaker 1: by stepping aside for a year and doing it with

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Speaker 1: yet another franchise. So now I'm going to get eight.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be two ahead of Michael Jordan, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do it with a third franchise. And

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Speaker 1: you're telling me I can't do that at forty six

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Speaker 1: and forty seven, Well guess what I'm going to do it. So,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Colin, I would be shocked

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't play again. You just convinced me you've

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Speaker 1: literally rocked my world. I literally, well, you know him

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Speaker 1: better than I do. Well, no, I don't, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I do not. He did not talk to me for

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Speaker 1: the book. I don't have any sort of personal relationship.

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Speaker 1: That was my only one on one with him was

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Speaker 1: for ESPN dot com and it was about five years

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Speaker 1: ago and it was long. But I do not pretend

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Speaker 1: to know him. But I know a lot of his

625
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: friends and have talked to them extensively about this and

626
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Speaker 1: other subjects about Belichick a lot over the years, and

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Speaker 1: they would be surprised if he doesn't play again. And

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Speaker 1: that Arian's relationship I never thought was going to last.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was productive while it did last, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but he went to a coach who was the exact

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Speaker 1: opposite of Bill Belichick, and it was a short term thing.

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Speaker 1: And now I think he's ready to try it with

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Speaker 1: a different franchise and again get to ring number eight,

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Speaker 1: be two ahead of Jordan, maybe go down as the

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Speaker 1: greatest American team sport athlete ever. Certainly that it enhanced

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Speaker 1: his claim. Yeah, I never liked Arians taken repeated shots

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it sounded personal, a little harsh. I think that's

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Speaker 1: Bruce's authentic personality. But in my years of covering athletes,

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Speaker 1: even the gracious ones, you have to use discretion when

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Speaker 1: criticizing them publicly. And Colin I was at his first

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Speaker 1: game in New Orleans, I believe, and they lost a

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Speaker 1: first game with Tampa Bay, and Arians criticized them after

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Speaker 1: that game and his postgame presser. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: I remember writing about that. Belichick never would have done that.

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Speaker 1: Bill was tough on Tom at all times in practices,

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Speaker 1: in film study and so forth. But criticizing Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: after game, he did that very rarely over two decades.

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Speaker 1: Ian O'Connor coach k The Rise and Reign of Mike

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Speaker 1: Shashevski absolute must read, my friend. It was great as always.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Say hi to everybody. His wife.

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Speaker 1: By the way, years ago, I had some speaking engagement

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Speaker 1: at a bookstore and somebody asked me about Ian O'Connor

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Speaker 1: and I said, I love you o'connory. Oh, he's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorites. It was your wife. I told her

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Speaker 1: to ask that question. So that was me great seeing

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Speaker 1: you man, Hey, Thank you, thanks for doing me a favor.

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Speaker 1: Colin appreciate it. The volume