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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast once more preseason games. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from a

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Speaker 1: virtual room filled with some heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Boys.

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Speaker 1: The week rolls on training camps opening up. It looks

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Speaker 1: like my boy, Zack Wilson even signed a contract. I

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Speaker 1: thankfully tried to steer myself out of all the mentions

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Speaker 1: and the trolling going on in my direction about that

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Speaker 1: it was gonna happen Zaxxon camp. Now the NFL season

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Speaker 1: can start. Yeah, Zack? Yeah? I mean story like no, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: rookie holdouts, training camp holdouts there, they're a thing in

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Speaker 1: the past. There literally was not a training camp hold out.

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Speaker 1: I guess. I guess Zack Wilson was, was it? But

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Speaker 1: he doesn't that he wasn't under contracts. That doesn't even count.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty soft hold out. I mean, was there any

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Speaker 1: drama that he was gonna not show up for weeks?

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Speaker 1: I mean he was officious enough to get on a

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Speaker 1: red eye flight last night, then promised he would do

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Speaker 1: Something's day. I took one of those um to the

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Speaker 1: absolute mess on the other side. So I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, we'll see. It's a sign he doesn't

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Speaker 1: take football seriously as like Mac Jones. Mac Jones is

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Speaker 1: like a grinder. He was he told his age and

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Speaker 1: just like get me in there. Just I love ball.

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Speaker 1: I want to be out there competing with Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: I don't want Mike White or whoever's thrown passes James

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Speaker 1: ruining practice for a couple of days. Like I love ball, um,

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Speaker 1: But much like the Detroit Lions a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson just shows up a few days later. Can you, Ricky?

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Speaker 1: Can you put some like echo on my voice? I

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Speaker 1: want to tell you about mac jones inner monologue in

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Speaker 1: his first pro training camp. Is that how like he

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Speaker 1: just threw a pass like damn it? Why am I

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Speaker 1: not having fun? I thought I would get to the

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Speaker 1: fl and I'd be having the time of my life.

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Speaker 1: Why is this? This coach is so mean? Where's the joy?

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Speaker 1: No one smiles up here? Everyone smiled at my old college.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Nick Saban, there's a ball of laughs, and

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Speaker 1: no one here who was that in my year. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I want to go back to the way

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Speaker 1: it was or do another team. I guess I'll have

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Speaker 1: to wait four to five years. That's what's going on

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Speaker 1: in his head right now. Nobody has fun up there.

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Speaker 1: Well that's shaky too, that's very shaky. That's if that's true,

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Speaker 1: all right, when winning is fun. That's what Patrick Chung

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Speaker 1: responded when when this this, I do like this topic

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Speaker 1: comes up a lot in New England, whether they're having

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Speaker 1: fun or not. Somehow that's become important. Well, here's here's

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Speaker 1: the problem. Here's the problem. You can run like a

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Speaker 1: no nonsense, no levity operation as long as you win

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl every other year. But what happens if

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Speaker 1: you stop winning super Bowls all the time? Is that

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Speaker 1: ac gonna work? As your coach gets older and older?

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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not I'm not saying gradual decline for

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, but I am kind of saying it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if his game is gonna work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was a steep decline last year. So he's he's um,

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Speaker 1: He's facing a big season. His defense, he's a defensive

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Speaker 1: coach stunk. Even the Brady stuff like his defense stunk.

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Speaker 1: He needs he needs to bounce back. I think he'll

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Speaker 1: get it um to some degree. On defense, there's a

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Speaker 1: little tease for our our guests there erin shots. He believes,

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Speaker 1: Patriots team from two years ago, surprising. Is there any

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Speaker 1: But is there any scenario where Bill Belichick is ever

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Speaker 1: on the hot seat? Like, well, Robert Kraft ever have

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Speaker 1: to fire Bill Belichick? Could that? Well Tom Landry got

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Speaker 1: fired in Dallas, that was ownership change. Maybe it would

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Speaker 1: But ultimately it would probably be up to Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: the one thing that he's learned. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: him with Art Modele and Cleveland made him realize that

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Speaker 1: ownership is so important. So Dan, the thing you're suggesting, Well,

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Speaker 1: think Belichick would be like, there's no way I'm signing

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Speaker 1: then that child's child. Uh. He famously went to New

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Speaker 1: very smart move by Mr Belichick. All Right, enough of that, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Schatz is coming on. Aaron Schatz is the godfather

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Speaker 1: of d v O a where the Father. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: because father is better than godfather. Godfather is like a

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Speaker 1: title of respect. You're like the don. Greg still hasn't

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Speaker 1: But um, the last there, Yeah, it's kind of embarrassing

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Speaker 1: when you're the father of something, you created it, and

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Speaker 1: of his team projections that jumped out to us. But

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Speaker 1: before we do that, let's hit the news nine in

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, Louisiana. Little Romeo is a sin of music legends.

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Speaker 1: Rappers must have pay and so can you say find it?

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Speaker 1: Just five years old after he rapped through his dops,

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Speaker 1: Little Romeo hit the big time in the early two

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Speaker 1: me break this down. So Greg, on the last show,

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Speaker 1: some point whenever we start talking hip hop, at some point,

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Speaker 1: Greg gets a little uncomfortable, says, this is the whitest

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Speaker 1: conversation ever. He's always right he's always right. But here's

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Speaker 1: the thing for me, I depend on Greg to help

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Speaker 1: keep the ship afloat whenever possible. Greg does like rap famously,

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Speaker 1: so we need Greg to be on point. Okay, just

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Speaker 1: like if we're having a conversation about mid nineties alternative rock,

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Speaker 1: you Mark's got it, he's got it covered. I've got

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. He changed the face of American rock. You

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Speaker 1: can what it was like. Anyway. My point is you

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Speaker 1: little Romeo. That was from Little Romeo's Cribs Kid edition

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Speaker 1: in those moments when it gets overly white and uh ignorant.

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Speaker 1: It was tough. Um, you know you're getting I'm getting older,

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Speaker 1: whatnot if I you know, once someone sent the first

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Speaker 1: of you know, roughly a hundred and seventy four tweets

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Speaker 1: of course, how did guy? How did I do that?

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Speaker 1: what what makes a good Athlete? Podcast or whatever. It's

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Speaker 1: like you sometimes you're gonna take massive l's and you

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Speaker 1: next time. Like there there was this Top Chef contestant

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Speaker 1: the podcast game and you've you've labeled yourself in the

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Speaker 1: to have to bounce back because it was a makes

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Speaker 1: like the contestants struggled. Yeah, she she struggled, but she

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Speaker 1: But it's not something that I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: But one one little thing and then we'll move on.

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Speaker 1: Because you put me in a box for like I'm

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Speaker 1: it's okay. Like you're just like a lot of Star Wars.

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Speaker 1: You're into the whole thing. Even if you don't like

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Speaker 1: some of it. You keep coming back strong. Incorrect. We

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Speaker 1: is the band you too. It's a band that gets

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Speaker 1: not it's not like they're surprised by this. It just

428
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Speaker 1: helps him to control a trade. By the thing, we

429
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Speaker 1: should say like he was not He said I am

430
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Speaker 1: not closing the door on things, on things changing here,

431
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Speaker 1: and that I'm possibly here, so he knows, like, look,

432
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Speaker 1: if they were in the Super Bowl this year, he

433
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Speaker 1: wins the MVP, it's like he's probably gonna be on

434
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Speaker 1: the Packers again next year. He's not gonna stamp his

435
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: foot and they'll they'll probably just change where they're at

436
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: like that, that part of it. I appreciated that he

437
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Speaker 1: said that. I think that was newsworthy. And all this

438
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: only happened because the Packers mis evaluated him. That is

439
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: the number one thing. They thought he was in decline

440
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: and they made a decision to take love. They were

441
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Speaker 1: making a calculated risk that Rogers only gonna be here

442
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Speaker 1: two years. They thought he was in decline. His play

443
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: last year was ultimately like the surprise, and now all

444
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Speaker 1: this message. He wasn't Jordan's love. It happened because the

445
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: Packers tried to make a business decision and the quarterback

446
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough. If they thought he was going to

447
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: play close to an m v P level, they wouldn't.

448
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: The evaluation was right, But this happened. This entire mess

449
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: this summer happened because it wasn't enough for the quarterback

450
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Speaker 1: to win m v P and basically show everyone, hey,

451
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: you messed up. He needed to take it that extra step.

452
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Speaker 1: To me, that's ego, and that's what this has been about.

453
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Speaker 1: I think that, to me is what why this happened.

454
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Speaker 1: It's Aaron Rodgers more than I hear you, and I

455
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Speaker 1: think that's that's fair. But I did find him credible,

456
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Speaker 1: and the one thing he was probably more adamant about

457
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Speaker 1: than anything was that those leaks weren't coming from me.

458
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Speaker 1: You can say what you want about the drama that

459
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Speaker 1: was happening this summer, I can, And he was saying,

460
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Speaker 1: I can promise you that is not coming from me

461
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Speaker 1: or my camp. And I believe him, like I believe

462
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Speaker 1: you know what, He could have slowed this down a

463
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Speaker 1: long time. That that like, if you want to complain

464
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Speaker 1: about schefter having certain things or the way things like that,

465
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Speaker 1: I don't think that was coming from Aaron Rodgers. I

466
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Speaker 1: think those everything that came out was because the packers

467
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Speaker 1: wanted it to come out. But he did not have

468
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Speaker 1: to wait till July to put a stop to some

469
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Speaker 1: of this madness. That's the one thing I'd say. I mean,

470
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Speaker 1: look at he said he spent the summer in introspective

471
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Speaker 1: States working on his mental health. That is good. I

472
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Speaker 1: think that's good for anyone. But he could have he

473
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Speaker 1: could have slowed down this drama wheel and frankly, I

474
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Speaker 1: would think a lot of way that a lot of

475
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Speaker 1: the media um bowed down to him yesterday. I found

476
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Speaker 1: that that that got on my nerves. Drama for people

477
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Speaker 1: like us who followed this this closely in hardcore fans,

478
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: like for for eight percent of America, like they knew

479
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Speaker 1: that he was out and then he's back, like by

480
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Speaker 1: the time it matters, and like nothing ultimately changed. We're

481
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: more annoyed about it because we also doesn't excuse it,

482
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: though I don't. I don't know why we're continually making excuses.

483
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: And it's like if Aaron Rodgers walks into the middle

484
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: of a dry forest and lights a match and sets

485
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: the whole thing ablaze and then walks away. And then

486
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Speaker 1: the Packers as the forward facing franchise that is at

487
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Speaker 1: the center of the ear that I or that Rogers

488
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: has toward the team, they're getting on a daily basis,

489
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: baraged with information seekers and trying to handle the situation

490
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Speaker 1: just because Rogers isn't the one leaking stories. He started it.

491
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Speaker 1: Rodgers would say, Goodkin started by by drafted, I mean,

492
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Speaker 1: it's true, we mentioned, we mentioned the Houston Texans, and

493
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Speaker 1: it's we should mentioned. By the way Davante Adams is

494
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Speaker 1: press conference just quickly afterwards. Was to me almost a

495
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Speaker 1: little more news worthy that he said, of course, I'm

496
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Speaker 1: not taking a dollar less less to stay with Aaron Rodgers.

497
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: Basically said, you know, it'd be nice to play with

498
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but I don't care where Aaron Rodgers plays

499
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Speaker 1: next year. That has no uh impact on my negotiations.

500
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Speaker 1: I Am going to be the highest paid receiver in

501
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Speaker 1: the league because that's what I deserve, and they're not

502
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Speaker 1: offering me that. And that's just my stance now, and

503
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm not accepting anything less from any team. And if

504
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: you want to play me with you know, Tim Boyle

505
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: next year in Detroit, I'll do it if if you

506
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Speaker 1: make me the highest paid receiver in the league. I

507
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting because I would hope he realizes

508
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: will probably make more money if he takes the big

509
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Speaker 1: paycheck from a team that has a really good quarterback

510
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Speaker 1: in place. But yes'm he should not take any discount.

511
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: Make them make your money when you when you can.

512
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Speaker 1: And if the Packers won't do what, there are ten

513
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: other right now. It's a golden age for quarterbacks in

514
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Speaker 1: our league. There eight other quarterbacks you might end up

515
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Speaker 1: in the Hall of fame go signed with one of

516
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Speaker 1: those teams that I'm sure would happily pay you what

517
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Speaker 1: you want. UM, all right, Deshaun Watson, listen, we talked

518
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Speaker 1: about it on Monday. We don't need to dive deep on,

519
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: uh some of the less savory aspects of what's going

520
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: on with his story right now, but you should know that, yes,

521
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: he is at training camp for the Texans, as is

522
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: contractually obligated for Watson to be. But it doesn't sound

523
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Speaker 1: like Texans head coach David Culley, who again feels like

524
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Speaker 1: he's full on being asked to arrange in the deck

525
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: chairs on the Titanic. Here a really tough situation for

526
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Speaker 1: Cully right now, and um, Cully said, Watson is behind

527
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: because he missed offseason workouts, needs as many reps as possible,

528
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: and he's being used. Watson, this is an all pro quarterback,

529
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Speaker 1: an m VP level player, UM as a fourth string

530
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Speaker 1: quarterback in practice. He also got some snaps at safety

531
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Speaker 1: and running back. Uh. It all plays out like forest

532
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: right now. Mark Sesser, what you read on this, well,

533
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Speaker 1: I think it is a forest. I don't know. I

534
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: don't understand. Number one, If you're the Texans, why you.

535
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Speaker 1: As we mentioned last show, we're not going to find you,

536
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: but we don't need you here because it's just simply

537
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: needs to be taken care of before we have this happening.

538
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: It is the last kind of news story that should

539
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: be occurring right now. And I would say one thing,

540
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, we don't know where the NFL

541
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: is on their investigation. They clearly haven't come to its conclusion.

542
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: But someone like Ezekiel Elliott Um, who went through that

543
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: whole suspension process, you know, a couple of years ago

544
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: that happened without anything officially occurring legally outside the NFL,

545
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: came to a decision. And I don't know why we're

546
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: in a place where anyone is saying it's a good

547
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: idea to have Deshaun Watson out on the field, um,

548
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: in front of cameras practicing right now, with what's going

549
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, What is the point he's safety?

550
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: What is happening? Are you getting me? I don't know

551
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: who to blame that I don't care almost who to blame,

552
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: but this isn't It doesn't make any sense, and they

553
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: don't want Deshaun Watson out there when when tackling is

554
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: starting in a couple of days. This is coming to

555
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: a head, and I think it's gonna end with Deshaun

556
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: Watson no longer practicing with the Texans. So what are

557
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: we waiting for? I mean, he's out there playing safety.

558
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: It's crazy and and a lot of I think listeners

559
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: because I've seen some tweets about it, are misunderstanding. There

560
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: is a criminal investigation, like more women came for this week.

561
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: It's it's up to ten women. Uh, some aren't involved

562
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: actually in the civil investigation. So Houston Police is doing

563
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: their investigation the civil cases over twenty and whether he's

564
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: allowed like to play or not while that's going on.

565
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: I guess there are reasonable ways that you could argue

566
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: by that. But nothing's changed, Like, nothing has changed. The

567
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: only thing I think that changed was I think the

568
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Texans and to a lesser degree, the NFL and Deshaun

569
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: Watson thought we can get away with this, that there

570
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be that it kind of quieted down and

571
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: that people aren't going to be upset. But like if

572
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: if the point is to what I think the point is,

573
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: is to show that he's out there, he's healthy, whatever,

574
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: and he can be traded, right now, because I think

575
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: it's made been made clear that Texans want to trade him,

576
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're getting offers. I don't I

577
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: don't think teams are interested in there right now. So

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Speaker 1: it just seems like kind of a farce, uh, with

579
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: no easy solution. It's crazy and just in another sport

580
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: right now, Major League Baseball, Trevor Bauer is an All

581
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Star pitcher for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He is right

582
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: now involved in a criminal investigation for sexual assault for

583
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: a situation that went down with a partner he had

584
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: that he met online. And MLB's response to that is like,

585
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy off the field. So they

586
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 1: set a one week administrative leave they called it, and

587
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: they've extended it now I believe three weeks, and now

588
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: it's extended through August six because again, the wheels of

589
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: justice turned much more slowly than a sports calendar, and

590
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: it's like the NFL needs to do whatever that is.

591
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: Is that the commissioner's examplest. I don't know, but you've

592
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: got to get to Shaun Watson out of the picture.

593
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Until we have more clarity. It just come on, common sense,

594
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: police come in and other news my goodness, Xavian Howard

595
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: led the NFL in interceptions last year at ten the

596
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: most sense I believe Tay Law and the Jets back

597
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven for a really bad Jets team,

598
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: by the way, anyway, rap Sheet reports that multiple teams

599
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Speaker 1: have called the Dolphins inquiring about trading for the cornerback.

600
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: H He has requested a trade. He went on Instagram

601
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: laid out all of his issues. He doesn't like that

602
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: the contract he signed two years ago is out of

603
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: date and not in line with his level of play

604
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: last season when he was an All Pro. He doesn't

605
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: like that he's not even the highest paid player in

606
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: his own secondary, not even close. Points out that Byron

607
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: Jones has that offer. So, Greg, where do you come

608
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: down on this? First of all, who cares he he

609
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: wants more? Moneys outplayed his contract. We can get bogged

610
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: down in that conversation if if we wish. More interesting

611
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: to me is to the Dolphins really trade a player

612
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Speaker 1: at this level when they're trying to take the next step.

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Speaker 1: And if they do, what kind of value do you

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Speaker 1: think he could bring back in a trade. It sounds

615
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Speaker 1: like they're listening. You know, they gave him that contract,

616
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Speaker 1: He's under contract for four more years. In one of

617
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: those two years, he missed a huge chunk of the

618
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: season and didn't play like particularly well. He had the

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Speaker 1: domestic violence arrest in between the seasons, and then he

620
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: was out of this world. My my issue is that

621
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Speaker 1: arrest if not stopping him from playing football. No, no

622
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: one is saying that, but it has to be mentioned

623
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: in the context of the trade because I think it

624
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: absolutely affects the negotiation that he's going to have in

625
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: a new contract. I think it also could affect the Dolphins.

626
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Is willingness to rip up a contract in good faith

627
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: with four years left on it, and it's been left out.

628
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I've seen some long analyzes about his situation that literally

629
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: don't mention it, and and I'm not saying like that

630
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: has to stop him from playing. The NFL is clearly

631
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: not suspending him, like, of course he still has value,

632
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: but I think that's going to change the value that

633
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: the Dolphins see and him potentially in another team in

634
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: season because he's a riskier pickup. He's still one of

635
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: the top seven or eight cornerbacks in the league in

636
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: terms of average value of his contracts, so it's not

637
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: like he's getting paid nothing. I think it makes it

638
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: very tricky. If if that wasn't an issue, I think

639
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: he could maybe get a first round pick. And considering

640
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill's contract and everything else, maybe it's not going

641
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Speaker 1: to be an issue for some team, but I think

642
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: it probably is an issue for this Dolphins team in

643
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: terms of being interested in ripping up his deal right now.

644
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly said because it's like they know him,

645
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: they know what they're dealing with. Obviously, you know, you

646
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: could argue is their best player, but this other side

647
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: of it, the off the field stuff, they that probably

648
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: slowed the wheels on then wanting to listen to him,

649
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: and I get that he's sitting in a you know,

650
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: a tape study room with Byron Jones, seeing Byron Jones

651
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: not two things he can do. And we talked about

652
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: on the last show that like you, you're we're with

653
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: a co worker who you find out it's making a

654
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: lot more money than you right now reading this Instagram post,

655
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: of course, of course, but I do think that you know,

656
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: not to be cynical, but there will always be another

657
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: team that will look past the off the field stuff.

658
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: Um Science Trade Form and give them a new contract.

659
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: I just assume that's what will happen if Miami is

660
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: unwilling to do so. Uh. Two years ago, the Dolphins

661
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: stuck in another squabble with a star member of the secondary,

662
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: traded makea Fitzpatrick for the to the Steelers for the

663
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: overall pick in the next draft. Kind of feels like

664
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Speaker 1: where this this could be heading. But we shall see.

665
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: And there's more COVID news by the way. But I'm

666
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: just I'm just pushing it back to the end of news.

667
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: I just don't want to talk about it, Okay, So

668
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: let's instead talk about how Michael Thomas it might be

669
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: a knucklehead and the Saints and the star wide receiver

670
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: probably headed for a divorce sooner rather than later. Speaking

671
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Saints coach Sean Payton said that Michael Thomas

672
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: should have undergone his ankle operation earlier and still waiting

673
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: till summer. Here is a little bit from Peyton. Well

674
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: look at it, peers, we're gonna have to spend some

675
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: time without him. Um. It's disappointing, and we'll work through

676
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: it with the other players that are here. Um. But

677
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: the surgery took place, and obviously you know, we would

678
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: have liked to have happened earlier than later, and quite honestly,

679
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: it should have. Mm hmm, oh, you ain't happy, Greg.

680
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: I can see this Saint season going a lot of ways.

681
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Shots, Who's gonna be on later? You know, has

682
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the Saints pretty high the football outsiders U do. In

683
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: the first eight weeks of the season, they play the Packers,

684
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: they're at New England, They're at Seattle. Tampa's in there.

685
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: That's not in a row, but those are some of

686
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: the hardest games in the first eight that's all before

687
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. I think one of the scenarios, at

688
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: least for the Saints is they do not have a

689
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: winning record, you know, in those eight games, they have

690
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: a losing record, and that Michael Thomas is taking up

691
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot of airtime on NFL Network in this podcast

692
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: as as a potential trade candidate. Yeah, I mean you

693
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: you're looking at like Mark has Callaway now playing a

694
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: major role. And we were kidding about little Jordan Humphrey

695
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: last show, but he now is a factor. I mean,

696
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: they they signed Chris Hogan, who you're not in this

697
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 1: day and age thinking, is going to play a major

698
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: He was We're across. He was literally acrosse. I don't

699
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: know how good he was. Any starting wide receiver for

700
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: New York Jets you do not want on your roster.

701
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: And they need help the wide receiver because by the way,

702
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: Saints wide receiver Donte Harris, he was arrested. It wasn't

703
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: reported until this week, but on July sixteenth, he got

704
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: himself popped on a d u I. Uh and that

705
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: usually leads to a suspension of two games. Uh, So

706
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: they might be without him as well. So again, we

707
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit on Monday. The Saints big

708
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: question mark around that team. I'm not doing the COVID

709
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: story yet. And they gotta play Aaron Rodgers in Week one.

710
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: It's been a bad week for the Saints. That's the

711
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: Fox four five Week one game. Troy Joe Settling. Will

712
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: we be at our new studio. We don't know, we

713
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: don't know. It could be bore twenty five by the

714
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: end of the second quarter. Nailed it. The Washington football

715
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: team resigned defensive tackle Jonathan Allen to a four year,

716
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: seventy two million dollar contract extension. Market gotta love what

717
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: the Washington football team is doing. Um, they are getting

718
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: nasty in those trenches, and they they think we got

719
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: a good thing going on on both sides of the ball.

720
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: Let's get Jonathan Allen under contract for a bunch more years.

721
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: No brainer to get the contract. He turns thirty at

722
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: the end of it, so he'll probably get another contract.

723
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Montez Sweat is going to get paid at

724
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: some point. You obviously canna keep Chase Young around for

725
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: a long time. So I think you know if when

726
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: you watch when you watch Jonathan Allen, the one thing

727
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: about him is he had the lowest percentage of any

728
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: interior defender in the League of pressure is created when

729
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: he was he had multiple people on him. I mean,

730
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: this guy is constantly getting double and triple teamed and

731
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: and throwing people off left and right. His tape is

732
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating, and I think he's the heart and soul

733
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: of that that interior line. I mean, they've got their

734
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: nasty for a reason. If you want to look at

735
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: the Washington team as a playoff team, it starts with

736
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: that defensive front. Was the Sessler break and that's some Jonathan.

737
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, when I like, look at them, I went

738
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: out and watch some stuff, and I mean the actually

739
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: been a key couple of people that were crowing about

740
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: him before the extension where they put like one of

741
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: these eighteen kind of clips in a row of what

742
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: he did, and the guy is like just a car

743
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: standing up with arms throwing people around. A sneaky amount

744
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: of the best players on Washington were drafted in that

745
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: that like eighteen months there, two years that Scott mcgluwen

746
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: was there, who before he left an unfortunate circumstances, But

747
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: a lot of those picks are the ones that are

748
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: the highest paid players on Washington right now. Well. McCluin

749
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: also pushed for Baker Mayfield to be picked by the

750
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Browns at number one, so he's got his fingerprints all

751
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: over the place. Dak Prescott underwent an m R I

752
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: m R I after leaving Wednesday's practice with arms sore nous,

753
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: diagnosed with a strained muscle in his throwing shoulder. Um

754
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said after the fact that the injuries quote minor,

755
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: but it does appear that it will cost him some time.

756
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: And then our own Jane Slater, friend of the show,

757
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: tweeted out just a few minutes ago in fact that

758
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: he is practicing Dak Prescott. However, he's acting as a

759
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: running back for backups and individual drills. He throws the

760
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: ball back with his left, non throwing hand. Uh Jane added,

761
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: he's out there with the quarterbacks as well, going through

762
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: scrambled drills, dropping back with feet, but not throwing the ball.

763
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: While doing it. The crowd is seeing him. Happy birthday.

764
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Dak Prescott, Happy birthday. Not worry. I'm not

765
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: worried about this. Of a Macawboys fan. I'm not worried

766
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: about it unless a week from now he's still throwing

767
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: it left handed with the running backs. Well, that's the

768
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: sound of it. It sounds like it's gonna be two

769
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: to three weeks. Um. The local reporters believe that's how

770
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and and they all and look, of course, we hope

771
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: that's fine. He more than likely it's probably not a

772
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: huge issue. But here's the thing. They talk out of

773
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: both sides of their mouth. Oh, this is not a

774
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: big story. They also say, how vital every one of

775
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: these practices is are, how important it is that Dak's

776
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: back out there, like how much he's gaining from it.

777
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: They you do not go getting him or I And

778
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: then you do after looking at that m R. I

779
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: sit the guy for two to three weeks if there's

780
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: no concern whatsoever. It's this weird time of your where

781
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: it's always like everyone's gonna be fine from by week one.

782
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: That's what they said about Amari Cooper and DeMarcus Lawrence

783
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: at one point, Oh, they're gonna be fined by training camp.

784
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: Well it turns out they're they're gonna miss the first

785
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: three or four weeks after major surgery. They've been out

786
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: for seven months. Like at some point, it's fair to

787
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: be skeptical, and I just don't think it means nothing.

788
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: Like it's a little bit of a concern to have

789
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: a shoulder problem right off the bat. It's a throwing shoulder.

790
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, of course it's a concern, and it's the

791
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: kind of thing that can you know, it could nag,

792
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: it could go on. But I would say this, like

793
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I think the real ascid tests would be if this

794
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: happened in week two, how quickly would he practice or play?

795
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there is logic to just saying see you later.

796
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: We don't need you, and we don't need you on

797
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: the field on any level until the games matter, especially

798
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: when your backup still Cooper Rush, what are we doing here?

799
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: We just went through a whole season Cowboys and your

800
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: backup It's like what? And I think that if I

801
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: think they came in and through five interceptions as a

802
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: trio the backup quarterbacks today, which I get it, it's

803
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: a practice, but still it was like they were dominated

804
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys defense. So if one of those guys

805
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: are seeing live bullets, he'll probably Um. Isn't it cute

806
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: when your kids say something and it's so cute that

807
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: you can't even correct them. Um, My son Harry today

808
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: said he's possessed by a video and he meant obsessed,

809
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: But I just couldn't correct him. He was too cute.

810
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: And and my eldest son Jack about three years ago

811
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: or four years ago, um doing various like Batman and

812
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 1: Joker things. He was like, oh, he got dropped into

813
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: the acid instead of acid. And I've never corrected him.

814
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: And now he's almost seven years old and he still

815
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: says acid. But I just I don't. I don't want

816
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: to lose that. I don't want to lose that. I

817
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: can't step in coils. He's like, I like, do you

818
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: like do you talk to girls in your class? Along

819
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: with boys. Guys, I don't talk to the oils. Was like,

820
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you roll with that. I think

821
00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: that sounds my grandfather, Keith hands Dad Paul we knew

822
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: him as Baba Um pronounced girls as oils until the

823
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: very end. He lived till he was So if you

824
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: if you don't get a handle of it, that's where

825
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: it's heading. Well you're right, but I I found it

826
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: to be endearing. But just a heads up, it might

827
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of things get like made

828
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: fun out of you sometimes in middle school that's like

829
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: the time, or maybe early high school sometimes if if

830
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: a kid starts pointing that out. But it could go

831
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: the other way. People could find it totally charming. It

832
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: could sweep the greater Los Angeles area. Well, it's his journey.

833
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: Baba drove a bus in New York City and uh

834
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: he called everybody Sam, Like ah Sam. Best part of

835
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: driving a bus oyls You pick them up all right. Finally,

836
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: in the news, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Lamar Jackson

837
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: not participating in Ravens training camp due to a quote

838
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: COVID related case. The league is still trying to process

839
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: Mike Aarafolo followed up that report, said it's unclear how

840
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: long Jackson will be out. And Jackson this time last

841
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: year after testing positive for COVID nineteen. Uh, there were

842
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of outbreaks on the Ravens last year. So

843
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: you got Trace McSorley and Tyler Huntley taken snaps at

844
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Ravens camp. And if you're wondering, of course everyone is

845
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: is Lamar Jackson vaccinated, he's gotten he's gotten sick twice.

846
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Now it's private, we don't know he uh he yeah,

847
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: that's how he answered the question back in June that

848
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to answer it. They have clarified though,

849
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: Uh for for the listeners, he did test positive for COVID.

850
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, they announced that and a lot of players

851
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: are Gus Edwards did. I was surprised, I think the

852
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: other day fourteen positive tests because they are clarifying now

853
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: who's testing positive. There's almost no players missing time for

854
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: being a close contact. And there's been double digits, uh,

855
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: double digit players testing positive for COVID multiple days. And

856
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: we'll kind of know Dan probably whether he was vaccinated

857
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: or not, because the rule is if you aren't vaccinated,

858
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: you were out minimum ten days, and then after that

859
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: you have to pass test um. If you are vaccinated,

860
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: you can come back quicker if you start testing negative

861
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: sooner than that. So for some reason he came back

862
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: sooner we would know. But that's that's a pretty big

863
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: chunk of training camp after it took him out in

864
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the playoff race last year. The thing

865
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: that stands out to me also trace McSorley, Tyler Huntley.

866
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: You lost Lamar Jackson a year ago for a game.

867
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: He's the kind of quarterback that you know, he's he's

868
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: been lucky injury wise, but he's the kind of quarterback

869
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: that could you know, at some point take the type

870
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: of hit that takes him out for a bit. This

871
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: team has not done enough at backup quarterback because the

872
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: way they looked even with r G three and there

873
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: a year ago, one of the worst offenses in the

874
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: league without Lamar Jackson in there. Do you think anything

875
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: unfunctional answering it's private to the COVID vaccine question, actually

876
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: got the vaccine and they're choosing to be privately think

877
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: it's a code for we haven't gotten it. The only

878
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: thing is some players, a lot of players in mid

879
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: June had not been vaccinated. The league rate was under

880
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: fifty at that point. Now it's I think they said

881
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: it's ninety or close to ninety league wide. Like Donald

882
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: for instance, was pretty vocal about that he didn't want

883
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: to get and then in the in the meantime he has.

884
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: So we don't know if Lamar did in the meantime.

885
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, do you think that we we should start

886
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: waltzing around because we have been, but let's start telling

887
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: people it's private now we did it. But I'm just

888
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna think something about me, but it's not

889
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: gonna be true. I've tricked you. I like that. I

890
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: don't know what what you what you get out of it? All?

891
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: I get nothing. It's literally nothing in fact. But because

892
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: we've already now deduced that, that's you're telling everyone you

893
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: haven't got. But still, why not that's fair. That's what's

894
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: happening in the news, all right? Coming up next? Oh,

895
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: this is good, this is good. Boys. You gotta get

896
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: some you gotta get the taste makers, the intellectual tastemakers

897
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: of the football Cagnet sent involved with this program. Okay,

898
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: and here's one of them. Our next guest is the

899
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: creator of Football Outsiders. He also he's the guy behind

900
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: most of their original statistical methods uh in terms of

901
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: NFL analysis. He and then he's the lead writer, he's

902
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: the editor, he's the statistician on that book series, Football

903
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Outsiders Almanac, which is the bible. It's out now get it.

904
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: If you want to get caught up to where things

905
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: are in the NFL right now, dive into it. Here.

906
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: He is Aaron Schats. Welcome to the Around the NFL.

907
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on the show.

908
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. It's great to be on with

909
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: you guys. Oh, it is great to have you and

910
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, and again check it out because it's not

911
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: just he doesn't Aaron and his team don't just pick

912
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: out certain teams. Everybody gets the deep dive. They get

913
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: what I like to call on something we like to

914
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: do on the show, the Inside the NFL in the

915
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: eighties treatment. Everybody gets their time and if you dive in,

916
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: you'll see a wind projection and it's all there's a

917
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: lot of math involved and study and analytical deep diving.

918
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: So we're gonna point out some of these um that

919
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: really jumped out to us and Mark, I want you

920
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: to get us going, because one team that is near

921
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: and dear to your heart, uh is not as high

922
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: uh in the world. The football outside is as it

923
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: is elsewhere. Yeah. I would just want to say, first

924
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: of all, that anyone who has never really read one

925
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: of these epics that come out, the minute they come out,

926
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: I know my summer is over and a lot of

927
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: tornado is approaching. But what is there a negative connotation

928
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: to what? No, no, no, it's just kind of to me,

929
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: it's sort of a it's it's a book end on

930
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: the season beginning. But there's some really wonderful writing too.

931
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: I think that that that what you guys do. It's

932
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: not just data. It is some really incredible descriptions and

933
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of humor in there. So it's a

934
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: fun read. Um. All right, Yes, so let's get to it.

935
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: My team, the Cleveland Browns. You know you've you've put

936
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: them at an eight point six win estimation now that

937
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: has them as the eighth team in the a f

938
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: C and out of the playoffs. Now here's the thing.

939
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: I am someone who already is inside thinking when the

940
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: entire nation is jumping on Cleveland, which happens like maybe

941
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: once every fourteen years, only bad things can happen. But

942
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: I I when when it comes from you, guys, I

943
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: start to get a little concerned because I trust where

944
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: you're coming from with this. What are you What is

945
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: happening with the Cleveland Browns? Why are you zigging when

946
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: so many other people are zagging. Yeah, I know it's

947
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: tough because it's such an analytically oriented organization, Like we

948
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: want to root for them, like we want them to

949
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: do well. But the problem is the Browns were not,

950
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: as it is their record last year overall. First of all,

951
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: they were I think seventeen in our d v o

952
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: A rankings despite being eleven and five. D v o

953
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: A is the main statistic that we use at Football Outsiders.

954
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: They also they were outscored by their opponents despite being

955
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: eleven and five. If you look at projecting teams based

956
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: solely on points scored and allowed, what they call the

957
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: Pythagorean win theorem. The Browns were one of the ten

958
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: biggest overachievers since the merger. So a lot of last

959
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: year's sort of mediocre performance is tied up with two

960
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: games when they got completely blown out by the Steelers

961
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: and the Ravens early in the season, and you also

962
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: have to kind of throw out the game against the

963
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Jets where they didn't have any wide receivers available. But

964
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: even if you take those games out of the projection,

965
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: when we look at the numbers from last year that

966
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: we use in our projection, their projection only improves a

967
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: little bit. Their offense is good, but not great. I

968
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: think we have projected something like eighth in the league,

969
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: which is around where it was last year. And their

970
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: defense is just like they added some guys, but they

971
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: also lost a lot of guys, Like there's no Okan

972
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: job anymore. There's no Sheldon Richardson, there's no Olivier Vernon.

973
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: They added secondary guys and they lost defensive lineman. Mhm.

974
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: But is there any um thought in terms of the

975
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: projections of like second year offenses, like there was such

976
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: an improvement on their offenses or is that more working

977
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: against them that like there was that big of a

978
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: jump last year in terms of what they did offensively

979
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: in their offensive line, and that maybe that's gonna be

980
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: harder to keep up than people think. Yeah, it's sort

981
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: of a balance between those two ideas. Like normally in

982
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: your first year with new coordinators in a new system,

983
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: all of the things being equal, you take a little

984
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: bit of a step back. Obviously, Cleveland did not write

985
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: they got a lot better on offense. So the fact

986
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: that they're likely to get a little bit even better

987
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: than that in their second year is offset by the

988
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: fact that they already jumped so much last year that

989
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: you see, you know, teams that normally jump a lot

990
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: on one side of the ball tend to come back

991
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: to the pack a little bit the following year. So

992
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: the projection sort of bounces those two things out. I

993
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: think it's fair. I mean, it's you know, and Aaron

994
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: So and a lot of the hype around the and

995
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of you're on an island a little bit

996
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: industry wise, because you kind of see a lot of

997
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: people seeing the Browns is not just potentially an af

998
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: C North favorite, but a Super Bowl contender, and perhaps

999
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: they will be. We will find out, and then maybe

1000
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: you'll have to write to me a couplan next year.

1001
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: We'll we'll we'll find out in time. But a lot

1002
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: of people point to the Browns and I'll use them

1003
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: as an example to get into the next team. Here,

1004
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: the moves they made in free agency and the draft

1005
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: to fortify the middle of their defense, their secondary and

1006
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: when you add in a healthy Jendevion or a healthy

1007
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: Jendevion Clowney Miles Garrett of course now at full health

1008
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: post COVID, they'll make the leap. It's all projection, though

1009
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, uh with that set a team eight

1010
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: and eight. Last year they played like an eight and

1011
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: eight team. They finished eight and eight, they snuck in

1012
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs, got thet You have them projected in at

1013
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: seven point three wins, And I'm curious how with what

1014
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: you do because Justin Fields, what he brought to this organization,

1015
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: at least at the start, it's hope. They're in the

1016
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: hope game again because of Justin Fields. But for you

1017
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: and your job, how do you come down and they're

1018
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: actually not going to be better, They'll take a step

1019
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: back despite having this dynamic young player that we've never

1020
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: seen at this level. The fact is, dynamic young quarterbacks

1021
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: don't tend to play well in their rookie years. Like,

1022
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: for example, a lot of people feel like Miami should

1023
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: have already moved on from two A Tago Viola based

1024
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: on how he played last year. Do you know that

1025
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: two a Tago Violoa had an above average year for

1026
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: a first round quarterback going back how far like going

1027
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: back to but but that's normalized for you know of

1028
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: stats normalized, so we know that right, passage stats are

1029
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: way bigger now than they were thirty years ago, so

1030
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: that's accounted for. Um, he had an above average year

1031
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: when you compare him to to he was below average

1032
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: for the league, but for a first round quarterback, he

1033
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: was above average. And people don't a lot of people

1034
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: don't even think of him as a promising young quarterback anymore.

1035
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: The fact is, we want to believe that these guys

1036
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: are all gonna come in and be like what Justin

1037
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: Herbert was last year, but a lot of them don't.

1038
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: And you don't know who's gonna be that guy who

1039
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: performs in his rookie year until you see him actually

1040
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: do it. So you have to kind of go into

1041
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: the year expecting that rookie quarterbacks are going to struggle,

1042
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: even first round picks, Like do you, I feel like

1043
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: you have to be stronger like as as as an

1044
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: individual to be such a wet blanket over all this

1045
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: hope and like like marks depressed right now? No, no, No,

1046
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: you've crushed his dreams. There's Bears fans listening. You've scratched

1047
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: their dreams. Like, how do you hold up with that? Oh?

1048
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm here for all of the Vikings fans and the

1049
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: teams were we're we're higher on them than Yeah, actually, yeah,

1050
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: you pick, you pick a team or two that you think, um,

1051
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: people aren't as high before we get to that, because

1052
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: I just it connects to what we just said with

1053
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: Justin fields and rookie quarterbacks. I see you got the

1054
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars peg for seven point one. I believe. So

1055
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: is is this because Lawrence is a true outlier or

1056
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: is this one of those teams where people kind of

1057
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: got fogged over a little bit because of the one

1058
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: in fifteen and how it closed out? But there's actually

1059
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: more talent on this Like what are the factors that

1060
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: contribute to this team potentially jumping into mirror contention in

1061
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: the playoff race? Yeah, I think it's more the idea

1062
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: that there's probably more talent on this team than people

1063
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: thought there was. Last year, despite having the worst record,

1064
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: they weren't our worst team. Despite having the worst record,

1065
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: the Jets were. And there's just a lot of regression,

1066
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: and you know the general statistical idea that teams tend

1067
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: to progress towards the means, so bad teams get better.

1068
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: There is you know, adding the number one pick is good.

1069
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: You know in that we think that Lawrence is better

1070
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: than Gardner midshoe. But it's again like we're we're not

1071
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: projecting Lawrence to have an above average year because you

1072
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: just can't project a rookie quarterback to be above average.

1073
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: But I think their defense is better than people give

1074
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: them credit for. There's a lot of talent, young talent

1075
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: on that defense. Henderson only played eight games last year.

1076
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Josh Allen only played eight games last year, and as

1077
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: we know, all Josh Allen's in their third years get

1078
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: much much better than they were before. So I'm expecting

1079
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen the defensive end to have like forty six

1080
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: sacks this year. I gotta admit, I think I think

1081
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: I made some like they've got the better Josh Allen jokes,

1082
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: like when he was playing well as a rookie. Oh

1083
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: made like all of my Josh Allen Bill's uh references

1084
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: from the first two seasons of his career. I look

1085
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: like an idiot right now. Well, world looks more like

1086
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: an idiot than anybody else, So I mean, listen, I

1087
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: feel like Josh Allen is really the outlier. Like you

1088
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: cannot expect quarterbacks with his kind of college accuracy to

1089
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: suddenly transform in the NFL the way he did. If

1090
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: you can, if all that mechanical stuff that Jordan Palmer

1091
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: does with him and that they had videos released, if

1092
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: that stuff really works, it totally changes the way you

1093
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: draft quarterbacks. But I need to see it work with

1094
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: someone else before I'm gonna go drafting guys who are

1095
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: under six in college, Greg ret Erin, because I liked

1096
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: where you were going about. Yeah, like, um, instead of

1097
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: instead of the doom and gloom, here are are there

1098
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: teams that your projection system loves this year more than

1099
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: more than probably most the analysts, and that you believe

1100
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: in too? Because I do see the thing you do.

1101
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's in the writing, but or when you're talking

1102
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: it's like, well, the projections like him a lot. I

1103
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: like that surprises me. I'm not sure, But which ones

1104
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: you know? Do? You? Are you guys high on that

1105
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: you that you believe in? Sure, I'll give you two

1106
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: teams that were really high on uh that other people

1107
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: are not quite as high as we are. One is

1108
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. There are a lot of reasons to believe

1109
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 1: last year they were sort of playoff contenders and kind

1110
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: of you know, but it was really a rebuilding year.

1111
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of ways in which they were

1112
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: particularly outliers in stats that tend to regress to the

1113
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: mean much stronger, Like their special teams were terrible, and

1114
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: they were like most of their sacks they took on

1115
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: third down and they were there was a huge difference

1116
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: between their offense on first and second down and their

1117
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: offense on third down, and that you know, your offense

1118
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: on third down tends to come changed to like meet

1119
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: what your offense is overall. Um Schedule strength is another one.

1120
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: Although we have Minnesota projected with a hard schedule, again,

1121
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: we have the whole NFC North projected with hard schedules.

1122
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: But we just think that that's a team that's going

1123
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: to be in playoff contention. I mean, they would have

1124
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: been the division favorite if Aaron Rodgers had been traded.

1125
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: But now everybody's making nice in Green Bay, so you

1126
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: can probably throw that out the window. But I think

1127
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: there are gonna definitely be in playoff contention. The other

1128
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: is the New England Patriots. So we have this variable

1129
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: in the defensive projections that based on personnel, right like

1130
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: how much personnel do you lose? And last year the

1131
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: Patriots lost more personnel than any team we attracted this

1132
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: variable on defense since two thousand three, and that was

1133
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: before the COVID opt outs, and then the COVID opt

1134
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: outs just took that to a ridiculous level. This year,

1135
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots are adding on net more defensive talent than

1136
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: any team we've tracked since two thousand three, when you

1137
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: include high Tower returning and then all those guys they

1138
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: signed in free agency like god Shaw and Jude On

1139
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: and Jalen Mills and even to Harvey Langey, like just

1140
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: a ton of guys. They have a bunch of added

1141
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: defensive talent. And so we really like the Patriots to

1142
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: return to the playoffs this year, even though we don't

1143
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: think their offense is going to be above average. M

1144
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: how many people are just hitting you that you're just

1145
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: at home because you are a Patriots fan. I mean,

1146
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: I will say I am a Patriots fan and I

1147
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: admit it, and I will say Denver is fifth in

1148
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: that same stat where the Patriots are first, so we

1149
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: also like Denver, so there's a non Homer pick for you.

1150
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: If you think the Patriots are Homer pick. There you go.

1151
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: Aaron Shafts, You've said it all. Follow him on Twitter

1152
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: at FO Underscore A. Shafts S C. H A. T Z,

1153
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: and go over to Football Outsiders uh dot com if

1154
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: you want to get your hands on this almanac, which again,

1155
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: whether you're just want to bone up for the season,

1156
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: if you're a fantasy head, there's a lot to find

1157
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: there as well. Aaron, thank you very much, and I'm

1158
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: sorry that you are connected to doom and gloom for

1159
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and his personal life. But that's not your

1160
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: fault that I'm not your fault. It's just the way

1161
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: life is. It's just the way the numbers roll out

1162
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: of the computer. Man. It's I've got nothing against Cleveland.

1163
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: I would love for those fans to have a winner,

1164
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: and I know people in the front office, so I'm

1165
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: rooting for them. It her her when they got rid

1166
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: of Sassy hurt you more more. It hurt when they

1167
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: got rid of Sausci. But our man, Andrew Healy is

1168
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: still in the front office, so we're doing good with Cleveland. Alright,

1169
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: there he goes, Aaron shots, thank you very very much.

1170
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, good show. We're rolling. The season's

1171
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: coming like a freight train to Pat type, little Pat type.

1172
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: Little Uh. That's a little bit. I don't you know,

1173
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what I think about this. What a

1174
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: weird team they are. I think they are on defense

1175
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: feels a little overplayed, but I still think they have

1176
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: too many questions on offense. But I'm also if Aaron

1177
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: Schatz is a Pet's lover, you know, you know who

1178
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: I am, So I trust this computer. The Pets to

1179
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: me strike me as a your classic nine and eight team.

1180
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: But I mean he has them at nine point eight wins,

1181
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: so that's right there. But all right, good stuff. One

1182
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: little item before we go. We have a real friend

1183
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: of the show who we met on our first trip

1184
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: um to London. Tracy Crouch used to work in the

1185
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: House of Commons. Um I have received were Greg and

1186
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: Greg and Eric and I were lucky to go on

1187
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: a tour of the House of Commons with her and

1188
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: another friend, Tim Shipman, and we saw like the Queen's Greg,

1189
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: do you remember this? We saw the Queen's toilet which

1190
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: most people are not allowed to see. We were actually

1191
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: responsible for Brexit. We got that going. We didn't very popular. Um. Anyways,

1192
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: Tracy Crouch, it was her birthday last week and she

1193
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: is just um. We have just heard that her partner Steve,

1194
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: proposed to her to be married. So that is a

1195
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: huge congratulations from our show. Congratulations love it. I I

1196
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, if I had watched the Crown before um

1197
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: we had gone to London, I would have went with

1198
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: you that day. But as I recall, both West and

1199
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: myself said, no, we're just gonna lay in our hotel

1200
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: rooms rooms. First. This doesn't happen in the US, like

1201
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: multiple dignitaries don't reach out to us to be like, hey,

1202
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: let's let's give you a private tour of Congress or whatnot.

1203
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: But when when we're over there, it's just like roll

1204
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: out the red carpet. It happened. Serious respect, Dan, You're

1205
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: all about respect, that's that. I am all about respect.

1206
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: I would like to go to like invite us to

1207
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: the San Bernardino Town council meeting. Will be there. You

1208
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: ever been to San Bernardino. I don't think you want

1209
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 1: to go to government. We're just into it, all right.

1210
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: We uh, we drove to Big Bear a few years back.

1211
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: It was me, Mark and West and Mark kept on

1212
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: talking up this bar in San Bernardino. We gotta stop

1213
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: at this bar in San Bernardino. And uh so were

1214
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: you sure enough? Say okay, Mark, we'll stop there. We

1215
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: pull into this place. And if you've ever seen the movie, uh,

1216
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino wrote it. I think Robert Rodriguez directed it.

1217
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: From dusk till Dawn when George Clooney and Tarantino in

1218
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: an acting role, get locked into a bar that actually

1219
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: is a vampire hang out and they just devour all

1220
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: truckers and anyone that's a living soul. Great movie, very violent,

1221
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: very just fun. Check it out. That's still dawn. That's

1222
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: where Mark took us in San Bernardino. I'll never forget

1223
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: that bar, just the sense of darkness that hung over it. Well,

1224
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: all right, so the first time I had gone, it

1225
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a different vibe, but you

1226
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: are correct, that was the vibe that day. And I

1227
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: don't even think we stayed for more than five minutes.

1228
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: I think we we hauled it out and we stayed

1229
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: because we kept on waiting. West and I was like,

1230
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: what what is the magic of this place that Mark

1231
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: hyped up so much? And then the magic never came? Yeah, well,

1232
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: ownership change anyway, always good to reminisce about the good

1233
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: old days. Yes, Friday tomorrow around the NFL broadcast, we're

1234
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: making some changes to that show and UH we're working

1235
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: on it and we're looking forward to unveiling the UH

1236
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: broadcast two point oh come week one. But we still

1237
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: have great stuff coming up for you on Friday on

1238
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: the TV side, and then we'll be back Monday with

1239
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: another edition of this fair podcast. Thank you to everybody.

1240
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: Thank you to a little Romeo for understanding that a

1241
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: mistake was made and Greg was a class act all

1242
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: the way owning up to it. Does he understand I

1243
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: mean this is more popped than little Romeos having in

1244
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,439
Speaker 1: a minute now. Yeah, you always gotta get that digging.

1245
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Dan had de signing oft floor A

1246
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: little what do we decide A little sixty A little

1247
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, little gee, little ge Uh, the old well,

1248
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: the scissling quiet storry, uh, and Ricky Hollywood behind the

1249
01:03:44,720 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: virtual glass till Monday, he'd the call sp