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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The Dirty Diddy trial in chaos as you'r six is

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Speaker 2: set to be kicked off for.

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Speaker 1: Lack of candor? What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: This as rhino erectile pills take center stage?

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 2: Sy Grease, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Dirty Diddy? What the cook?

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Speaker 4: The worst Netflix?

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Speaker 1: Until in the world? Did he the Diddler Saturday? Does

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Speaker 1: this have anything to do with that?

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Speaker 5: Why does he stand in the corner and fiddle with

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Speaker 5: himself his small appendage?

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Speaker 2: Okay, this whole trial cannot be about Sean Comes' tutsie role.

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Speaker 2: But sadly rhino erectile pills are taking center stage. But

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Speaker 2: can we talk about what's happening with the testimony? First

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Speaker 2: joining me at the courthouse, Tisa Tals, pop culture investigator,

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Speaker 2: commentator and hosts of Tisa Tales on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Tisa thank you for braving the elements. What happened in

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Speaker 1: court today?

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Speaker 5: What happened to court sent a shock wave. Jurassic looks

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Speaker 5: like they are going to be ejected. Everybody is wondering

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Speaker 5: why that is. You know, yesterday the defense team tried

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Speaker 5: to make it into an issue they're trying to kick

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Speaker 5: off a jura, but unfortunately it doesn't really hold water

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Speaker 5: the prosecution once this guy gone, the defense is trying

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Speaker 5: truth and nail to keep them in. However, it is

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Speaker 5: shockwaves through the court.

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Speaker 1: TASA tales, TSA tales, TSA listeners.

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Speaker 2: Yes, race is an issue that has been appealed all

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Speaker 2: the way up to the United States Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: So just tell it. Tell it just like it is, and.

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Speaker 2: I'll get into the law with Greg Morse, all right,

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Speaker 2: so just tell it.

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Speaker 1: Don't mince words. Go okay, all right?

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Speaker 5: Did this team is grasping at straws once again, And

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Speaker 5: I find it funny that's someone that is saying now

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Speaker 5: that they're trying to get black people kicked off the jury.

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Speaker 4: I find it funny that Diddy is pulling the race card.

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Speaker 5: We're literally just a month ago he had no black

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Speaker 5: people on his legal team.

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Speaker 4: Again, they're grasping at straws.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to turn it into you're trying to persecute

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Speaker 5: a rich black billionaire. They're trying to turn it into

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Speaker 5: this is unjust again, much like the Mischaw motions. And

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Speaker 5: every time he's actually pulled out anything dealing with phrase

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Speaker 5: it looks like the judge is not falling forward and

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Speaker 5: Diddy's team is in meltdown mode about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tasa tails John moves.

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Speaker 2: Try it out to a veteran trial lawyer, and if

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Speaker 2: you could just for this one time, please, Greg Morse,

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Speaker 2: take your defense hat off and let's talk about bats

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Speaker 2: and Vie Kentucky. Greg Morris joining me. Veteran veteran criminal

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Speaker 2: defense attorney at Morse Legal. He's the author of Untested

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Speaker 2: on Amazon at morselegal dot com. He's won a lot

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Speaker 2: of cases. Of course they're all guilty, but that said,

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Speaker 2: he got them off. Now, Morse, let me talk to

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Speaker 2: you about bats of the Kentucky. Okay, which turns into

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Speaker 2: us the Batson. It was the Kentucky case where the

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Speaker 2: state prosecuted Batson and the prosecution was accused of throwing

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Speaker 2: people off the jury simply because they were black.

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Speaker 1: That's unconstitutional. You can't do that. You have to have

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Speaker 1: a legitimate reason for throwing a.

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Speaker 2: Jerr off, and that's got to be articulated by either side.

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Speaker 2: If asked, when I trucked jury's I had a note,

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Speaker 2: copious notes beside each jurrr that I interviewed. So if

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Speaker 2: I didn't like them, for instance, somebody that didn't have

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Speaker 2: could show up on time and do what they're supposed

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Speaker 1: I e. Deliberate.

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Speaker 2: I don't want anybody that's had a conviction. I don't

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Speaker 2: want anybody whose family members have had a conviction. I

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Speaker 2: don't want anybody that hates the police. And there's a

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Speaker 2: whole list of things I don't want on the jury.

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Speaker 2: Right so here, at this juncture, the state's already put

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Speaker 2: this person on the jury. They had to do something

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Speaker 2: since the inception of the evidence that has concerned the state,

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Speaker 2: and we are hearing Greg Moore's quote lack of candor.

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Speaker 2: In other words, they weren't completely truthful about something.

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Speaker 6: And that's exactly what it is. It was most likely

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Speaker 6: something in the jury selection process. Vad deer it's called

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Speaker 6: and the bats and challenge we agree on. That's exactly

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Speaker 6: what it is. You have to have a race neutral

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Speaker 6: reason and you have to show there wasn't a pattern

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Speaker 6: to exclude jurors based on race or sexual orientation. And

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Speaker 6: it's a very easy stand, as you pointed out, to overcome.

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Speaker 1: That's all Joy's selection.

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Speaker 6: But the defense is just dovetailing onto what they argued

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Speaker 6: in Vader to challenge them, trying to get Jordan number

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Speaker 6: six off right now. So they're powering forward their bats

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Speaker 6: in argument to Hey, this just is what they've been

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Speaker 6: trying to do the whole time, and they're continuing now

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Speaker 6: in the middle of trial. I am surprised that the

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Speaker 6: judge said he would that the judge said that it

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Speaker 6: would decide on Friday this issue. In my experience of

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Speaker 6: twenty five years, judges deal with this issue right away

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Speaker 6: because it's serious that they're going to remove a drawer

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Speaker 6: and put an alternate in their place. So I don't

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Speaker 6: know why it's going on.

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Speaker 2: Okay too of tales joining us outside of the Monahan

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Speaker 2: Federal Courthouse. What more can you tell me about him?

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Speaker 2: Have you been watching him? Has he done anything unusual?

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Speaker 2: And I'm very curious about how this is bubbled up.

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Speaker 2: How does the state know he has had a quote

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Speaker 2: lack of candor.

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Speaker 1: I think we all know what that means. Where's this

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Speaker 1: coming from?

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Speaker 5: Listen, everybody is saying that it is some type of

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Speaker 5: paperwork issue. Of course, if it was something more the

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Speaker 5: judge wouldn't even hear arguments, but see.

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Speaker 2: N O and nobody's getting thrown off the jury for

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Speaker 2: a paperwork issue.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is, you know what.

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Speaker 5: But with the lack of candor, it could be something

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Speaker 5: with immigration, it could.

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Speaker 4: Be height about his job.

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Speaker 5: But more importantly, it could be some type of link

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Speaker 5: and what I accuse a juror of doing something imputing

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Speaker 5: absolutely nut. But to God, to think about Diddy, Diddy

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Speaker 5: is the one that is driving this case, and I

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Speaker 5: believe Diddy is the one that is driving the prosecution

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Speaker 5: or worries. Again, who exactly was Diddy nodding to? Who

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Speaker 5: exactly was Diddy thinking he was connecting to? Again at

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Speaker 5: the end.

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Speaker 7: Of the day, Lord dear, well, there you go, there

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Speaker 7: you go, There you go, Tisa, Was this the gior

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Speaker 7: gar number six with whom Sean Combs is connecting?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that could be it. I don't know how that

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Speaker 2: fits in with the claim of lack of candor. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get into the whole Gurr being thrown off,

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Speaker 2: which could create chaos in the courtroom. I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that from having challenged grars in the past, and

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Speaker 2: we've seen.

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Speaker 1: How trials have gone off the rails.

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Speaker 2: When jurrs start to disappear one by one by one,

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Speaker 2: then you're in a whole world of trouble.

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Speaker 1: If you went out of grrrs, the case is over.

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Speaker 2: Combs is allowed twelve grars impartial grars his peers, and

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Speaker 2: if he doesn't get twelve it gets down to eleven,

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Speaker 2: it's over.

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Speaker 1: It's a mistrial. That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: The other problem is if there's anything done incorrectly or

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Speaker 2: inappropriately with taking this jar off, you have reversible error.

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Speaker 2: So the state is walking tightrope right now, Can we

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Speaker 2: talk about rhino pills?

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Speaker 1: What are they and what do they have to do

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Speaker 1: with this case? Tisa tells.

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Speaker 5: Apparently, rhinal pills are something that helped Jane Doe get

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Speaker 5: over the discust of.

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Speaker 4: Having to perform for her partner. Now, listen, rhinyl pills

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Speaker 5: I had to go and look it up, and it's

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Speaker 5: something that has sold over the counter at sex shops.

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Speaker 4: It's supposed to make you strong like bull.

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Speaker 5: But also Jane Doe said that she just wanted to

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Speaker 5: grip her eyes and get it over with. Now.

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Speaker 4: The funny thing is.

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Speaker 5: When she said that there was a visible, well, we

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Speaker 5: saw a visible reaction from Sean Colms. He seemed like

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Speaker 5: he was very, very insulted and maybe even a little

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Speaker 5: enbraged at the implication that the sex she.

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Speaker 4: Could do without.

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Speaker 5: She said that she even bought them matching shorts because

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Speaker 5: to see them standing in their own shorts and their

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Speaker 5: disgusted by it, so she bought the rhinyl pills to

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Speaker 5: make the.

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Speaker 4: Performer go quicker again.

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Speaker 5: It's funny when you saw Sean Colms's body language, he

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Speaker 5: was agitated and he was insulted again. As much as

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Speaker 5: they're trying to humiliate our little bunny rabbit, Shawn Colms

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Speaker 5: is the only one that is actually being humiliated. I

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Speaker 5: can't imagine a man that powerful into perversion, into just

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Speaker 5: dominating and controlling, finds out that his lover just wanted

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Speaker 5: filmed the holder that was his value to her.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is what I know. Straight out to doctor

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Speaker 2: reason they don't want you to know they're taking rhino

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Speaker 2: Walmart, gas stations, convenience stores. You know, when you go

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Speaker 2: up to pay for your gas. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: have to go pay for my own gas.

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Speaker 1: And they have like gensing and energy drinks.

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Speaker 2: And all sorts of OTC over the counter cure awls

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're FDA approved, I doubt it.

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Speaker 2: And they improve stamina, increase erections, and extend the time

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Speaker 1: Oh, lack of FDA approval. Okay, that's not good.

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Speaker 2: But why as you heard Tisa Tales talk about how

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs acted embarrassed, what exactly was he doing when

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Speaker 2: rhino pills came up Tisa tales. How do you know

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Speaker 2: he was humiliated?

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Speaker 5: Well, first he leaned in like he was a little

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Speaker 5: bit angry, right, he looked to his side. Then he

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Speaker 5: realized what she was actually saying, and that she continued,

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Speaker 5: and then he did the courthouse shuffle, looking at the screen,

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Speaker 5: looking down, praying and wishing that this moment would actually pass.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Bethany jump in.

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Speaker 8: Okay, you missed the fact that rhino pills last eight

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Speaker 8: times longer than viagra, which I think is interesting. But

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Speaker 8: think about this. P Diddy orchestrates the entire scene. He's

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Speaker 8: in control of everything, from ordering the escorts, putting him

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Speaker 8: like a slumber party for two year olds personally, But

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Speaker 8: the fact that Jane actually controlled an aspect of the narrative.

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Speaker 8: possible so she could get it over with Nancy, which

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this, doctor, Bethany.

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Speaker 2: the Monahand Federal Courthouse. I never thought that this would

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Speaker 1: But it is. That's where we're at.

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Speaker 2: Where in the middle of the shaw Comes multi count

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Speaker 2: I heard testimony that some of the hotel knights, and

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Speaker 5: Thirty hours with positions, positions.

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Speaker 4: He directed it like the most ceday.

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Speaker 5: In Cassie's testimony and also in Jane Doe's testimony, I

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Speaker 5: Again, it goes into the audacity, and I see why

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you actually hear testimony that one leg was

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Speaker 5: Not one leg up, but arching the back, arching the back,

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Speaker 5: They said it went through the comtuity. They were not

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Speaker 4: This goes into the role play. But he would even.

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Speaker 5: He would take them into another room. Because it was

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Speaker 4: He would take them in another room. Sometimes he would

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Speaker 5: Sometimes he would beat them to a pulp, and sometimes

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Speaker 4: And this goes into.

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Speaker 4: Was happening in the other room whenever they displeased Diddy.

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Speaker 5: So yes, it was directed from the beginning to the end,

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Speaker 4: Both women have testified to.

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Speaker 1: That doctor Bethony Marshall.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in my opinion, my legal opinion, him telling

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Speaker 1: He's asking for his very own dateline special.

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Speaker 8: Yes he is Nancy, He's really using her like an object. Okay,

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Speaker 8: So Teddy Gerrigis was trying to paint a picture that

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Speaker 2: We are live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Outside the courthouse,

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Speaker 2: joining us Tisa tails commentator and host of TASA Tales

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Speaker 2: on YouTube, Tisa summarize what happened today. We know that

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Speaker 2: the state is nearing the end of its case. Pros

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Speaker 2: cons How did Jane do on the stand today?

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, Jane did fantastic on the stand.

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Speaker 5: Our little bunny Rabbit sharpened her shank and pushed back.

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you it was actually really weird. Tinny

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Speaker 5: Garrickle's in the court. She looked off her game. We've

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Speaker 5: seen her on Cross before. She is amazing, but there

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Speaker 5: was something about Jane Doe that had her off her game.

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Speaker 5: It was the way that she was clever again, not calculating,

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Speaker 5: the fact that she was honest.

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Speaker 4: I regret.

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Speaker 5: I regret every seedy, disgusting thing he made me do

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Speaker 5: because I did it because I thought we were in

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Speaker 5: makes you wonder, could it be because up until April

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Speaker 4: Doe again, they don't want to open the door up

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Speaker 5: She pushed back, and the prosecution is confident that they

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Speaker 4: And when they said that, it sent shockways.

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Speaker 5: Through the defense again, the prosecution is really confident, and

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Speaker 5: Jane Doe really shined through and really brought home the

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Speaker 5: sex trafficking through coersion, through fraud, and unfortunately also through violence.

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Speaker 2: Tasa Tales, you're right to Sean Comms, it's showtime. I

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Speaker 2: love doing that, ending my case abruptly when I knew

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we need you to say shockways, I've seen

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Speaker 2: that go through the defense. They're all sitting at the table.

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Speaker 2: You announce, okay, I'm ending early. The defense can start tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: and they are like, what, Tasa Tales, isn't it true?

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Speaker 1: The defense on cross.

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Speaker 2: Examination, this woman has been on the stand, now what

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Speaker 2: twenty two twenty three hours. Didn't they try to paint

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Speaker 5: They tried, but they fell flat because at the end

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Speaker 5: a jealous girlfriend. Excuse me, you literally had me reenacting

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Speaker 5: But why, by the way, you're viciously beating me while

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Speaker 5: the way you're reenacting exits from the shining in real life. Again,

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Speaker 5: the fact that again they kept trying to trade a

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Speaker 4: It fell flat.

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Speaker 5: But again something was going on with the defense that

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Speaker 4: That could be because Aane knows a lot more their

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Speaker 5: Non starter with Jane as far as the cross examination,

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Speaker 5: So kudos to Jane for holding her.

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Speaker 1: Own crime stories.

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Speaker 2: With Nancy Grace, we heard about a ATega bag Testales

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Speaker 9: Jane does admit that Combs gave her thirteen thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: So that makes it all okay, Greg Morris, after he

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Speaker 1: So it all just disappears.

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Speaker 6: Well again, Nancy, we're clearly watching two different trials because

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Speaker 6: was clearly justified dot com for bad decisions she's ashamed

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Speaker 6: of now. But again, not one thing in her testimony

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Speaker 1: She loves him. I thought he loved me. Nothing has

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Speaker 6: Again, this is a battery case, and an aggravated battery

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Speaker 6: case masquerading as sex trafficking. I'm shocked the Southern District

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Speaker 6: Because filming a porn acting out your fantasies as a

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Speaker 6: So he can act out his fantasies. It's not something

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Speaker 1: That's what it is all about.

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Speaker 2: A very instrebble man who's like worried about this, Okay,

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Speaker 2: his insecurities, Fine, act out your fantasies. I don't care

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Speaker 2: until they become a felony. You don't have to be

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Speaker 2: for corruption?

442
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: Yes? No, are you familiar with the Rampart scandal?

443
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 6: So it doesn't you're ignoring the direct testimony and you're inflating.

444
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: No, you're ignoring the testimony of the beatings.

445
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 6: Her testimony was on the one point, Yes, I contacted

446
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 6: the escorts. She got caught in a lie by the

447
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 6: cross examination, but I knew that's what did he wanted

448
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 6: me to do. That is not sex trafficking. That is

449
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 6: not beyond to the exclusion of all reasonable doubt. And

450
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Speaker 6: you know as well as I do, Nancy Judges.

451
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Speaker 1: Read, I know.

452
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: I know that all these women, all of them, are

453
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Speaker 2: not lying.

454
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Speaker 1: They're separated in time and space.

455
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Speaker 2: We heard Jane describe her reaction when she heard Cassie

456
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Speaker 2: Ventura's complaint her lawsuit. No, she newly passed out because

457
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: she thought this happened to her too.

458
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Speaker 1: You know what you do? I don't know. Apparently what

459
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: is the pimp Romeo scenario?

460
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Speaker 2: And joining me an expert Lin Shaw is joining us.

461
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Speaker 1: Oh I still hear him.

462
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: I thought that was a NAT But it's Morse lin

463
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Speaker 2: Shaw joining me, director of Lyn's Warriors, committed to ending

464
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: human trafficking and sexploitation. Could you explain to Morse how

465
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: sex trafficking doesn't require beatings, which we have here. Shawn

466
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: comes knocking down four doors to get at Jane, to

467
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: beat her.

468
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Multiple trips to the hospital.

469
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: We have plastic surgery on Cassieventurira's gash in her face.

470
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Speaker 1: What more do we need?

471
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Speaker 2: But in addition to beatings coersion, what is the pimp

472
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: Romeo syndrome?

473
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Speaker 1: Lynshaw?

474
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Speaker 10: I will remain calm and I will explain to Greg

475
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 10: what is happening now with sex trafficking victims. I am

476
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 10: here in New York City. The justice system is beginning

477
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 10: to look at these alleged victims and survivors of these

478
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 10: horrible attacks in a different light. That same old playbook,

479
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 10: Greg does not work anymore. Force fraud, coercion, trauma bonding.

480
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 10: You need a lesson in that Greg, trauma bonding, Please

481
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 10: go look it up. Triple M which is monster manipulator,

482
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 10: a master Triple d Dirty Diddy degenerate is a pimp

483
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 10: and a trafficker. In my personal opinion, I see this

484
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 10: over and over again. He gets these women to do anything.

485
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 10: They really think they're just it's called the Romeo effect.

486
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 10: We're talking about it day and night. He just gets

487
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 10: them to think they're the only one, they're the girlfriend.

488
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 10: They are psychologically attached to this alleged trafficker pimp in

489
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Speaker 10: my opinion, and they will do anything to please them.

490
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 10: And as they go down this road. They just keep

491
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 10: getting weaker and weaker and weaker. So I don't want

492
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 10: to hear about necklaces and trips and she's hiring sex

493
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 10: workers or anything. This is a case of sex trafficking.

494
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Speaker 10: And again I'm going to point out the just system.

495
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 10: I'm very familiar with it right here in New York City.

496
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 10: New York State is beginning to look at these types

497
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 10: of situations in a different light. Hallelujah, because I'm tired

498
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 10: of everything that old playbook being on all of the

499
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 10: victims all the time. And here's what I have to say.

500
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Speaker 10: I don't care about anything we're hearing. You know what,

501
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 10: this is forest forward coercion. A lot of people are

502
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Speaker 10: complicit working. He's got a lot of disciples. Is dirty Diddy,

503
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 10: Dirty Diddy disciples. Everybody write that down. And you know what,

504
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 10: This is a case of criminal enterprise. This is a

505
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 10: case of rico. So let's just all agree that these

506
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 10: women are not at fault.

507
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Speaker 1: They are victims.

508
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: Straight back out to Bethany Marshall, Doctor Bethany Marshall joining

509
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Speaker 2: us out of La psychoanalyst.

510
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Speaker 1: I need to nail.

511
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Speaker 2: Down what is pimp Romeo and the thing I can

512
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: compare it to that, people may understand a little bit better.

513
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Is the better women's syndrome where it's a cycle, right,

514
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: The husband partner whatever gives the woman flowers, gives her jewelry, apologizes,

515
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm so sorry,

516
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: I was drunk, blah blah, filling the blank. Then that's

517
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: called the honeymoon phase. It tension builds. Nothing particular has

518
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: to be happening, but tension begins building, and then the

519
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: eruption where the beating, the massive beating takes place.

520
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: Then the honeymoon phase.

521
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: Same thing here, and the wife slash partner stays in

522
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: it because.

523
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Of a number of reasons.

524
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to break up the family, I need

525
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: the money, I don't have anywhere to go. I've got

526
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: to stay in this for the children until they graduate

527
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: high school, graduate college, get through middle school, doesn't matter.

528
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: Fill in the blank. And the woman stays in it.

529
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: I think part of it is the woman's and it's

530
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: typically a woman. Yes, all of you always say men

531
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: can be beaten to Yes, sure they can, but it's

532
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: very rare. The woman has been conditioned, really since birth,

533
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: not me luckily to want this picture perfect Hallmark card

534
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: marriage with the family, and the Christmas tree and the

535
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: Easter egg hunts and the blaw the blaw right. They

536
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: think that's going to happen, and it's so ingrained in them.

537
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: They choose to believe the partner, the husband for a

538
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: number of reasons. Maybe they don't have a job, maybe

539
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: they can't make a living. It could be any reason

540
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: they feel wrongly. They have to stay in it. Here

541
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: there's always the carrot. There's the carrot and a stick

542
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: to make the horse run right. The carrot is I

543
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: love you, baby, You're just you're my crack pipe, Sean

544
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: Comes's words of My husband called me a crack pipe.

545
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: He would be in his own dateline special. But that said,

546
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: then there is the stick, the beatings. Either do it

547
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: because you love me, or do it because I beat yours?

548
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: Dick Romea, Why do they stay.

549
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, Because these women want what all of

550
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 8: us want. They want to love and to be loved.

551
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 8: They do want the Christmas holidays, They do want the families,

552
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 8: of course they do. And these pimp Romeo guys are

553
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 8: so seductive at the beginning. They do as you describe.

554
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 8: They offer gifts, they kind of. They're very manipulative. They

555
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 8: tell the woman how beautiful she is, but soon that underbelly,

556
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 8: that dark side emerges, where the woman is just treated

557
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 8: like an object, and whenever she tries to break away,

558
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 8: the man manipulates even more, and eventually, when the manipulation

559
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 8: doesn't work, he uses violence. And we can see this

560
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 8: in a very heartbreaking way in Jane's testimony yesterday, where

561
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 8: she describes wanting to go out with him alone for

562
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 8: her birthday, and she doesn't want to have the dinner

563
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 8: at No Boo because No Boo is at a hotel

564
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 8: and she knows if they go there there'll be a

565
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 8: freak off, So she begs to go to others restaurants

566
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 8: so she can be alone with her sweetheart. So you

567
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 8: can see here the beginning of the pimp Romeo syndrome

568
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 8: where she actually has deluded herself into thinking they have

569
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 8: a true relationship. So they do go to Nobu and

570
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 8: on one of these dinners, what happens. He has three escorts,

571
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 8: male escorts waiting in another room. Can you imagine going

572
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 8: on on a date with somebody you think, you know,

573
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 8: it's all lovey dovey, and all of a sudden three

574
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 8: prostitutes jump out of the next room. I mean that

575
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 8: is really, I think a snapshot into this relationship and

576
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 8: the abusive aspects where I'm like, he wasn't taking her

577
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 8: out to dinner. He was just manipulating and coercing her

578
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 8: to get her to have sex with other guys. And

579
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 8: you can see this all throughout her testimony, story after story,

580
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 8: and one more heartbreaking aspect Nancy is that when he

581
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 8: was coercing her to do these freakofs, he was taking

582
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 8: other women to the met Gala, to Turks and caicos

583
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 8: in these women did not have to do the freakoffs.

584
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 8: Objectivity that she was the sex slave waiting at home

585
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 8: while he was out in public with these other women.

586
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got really really angry.

587
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, He

588
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: got really angry when Jane posted a photo of Comes

589
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: and Jane out having dinner somewhere, and she would sit

590
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: on the fringes watching and looking at all the other

591
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: social media where other women would post being out with him.

592
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: But when she posted something, he forced her to take

593
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: it down and got really angry.

594
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: Nancy Combe's face wasn't even in that photo. It was

595
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 3: a picture of the dish that she had while they

596
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: were out to dinner together, and he said, you need

597
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: to delete that because somebody could figure out that we

598
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: were together that night because of your post. What a

599
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: weird even outright photos just hint that they're I wack together,

600
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: Sidney Sumner.

601
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: Don't move, don't move, Sidney Bethany. He got mad over

602
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: a picture of a salad.

603
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 8: Really, you know, at the same at the same as

604
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 8: my elbow at the same time, Nancy. He went on

605
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 8: a new podcast with Young Miami and was talking about

606
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 8: intimate details of their sexual relationship. All the while he

607
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 8: wouldn't even let Jane.

608
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Post a picture of food.

609
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 8: So if that is not, in a way some form

610
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 8: of modern slavery, I don't know. Somebody gets chained in

611
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 8: the basement while somebody gets treated with special favors, or

612
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 8: like families where one child is chosen to be abused

613
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 8: and starved and the other children are loved. I think

614
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 8: this is sort of a broad pattern not only of

615
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 8: exploitation and of coercion, but profound devaluation of Jane. So

616
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 8: she gets in a position where she is so devalued

617
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 8: she doesn't feel she has rights anymore.

618
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: I understand that Greg Morris is gnashing his teeth and

619
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: switching his tail.

620
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: What's your problem?

621
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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting that you know, I've never heard of

622
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 6: sex traffic victims go to NOBU one night, then go

623
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 6: on their own this notion.

624
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Listen.

625
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: All the testimony that's been given so far from Jane

626
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 6: and Cassie's own mouth, is that they thought this was

627
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 6: going to be a path to whatever in their career.

628
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 6: Maybe Cassie doesn't sing that well and she thought this

629
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 6: would work. Jane wanted to have nice things. No, but

630
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 6: you're conflating so many things that's relevant to the corner fall. Remember, Nancy,

631
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 6: you're right, you just don't like anything about.

632
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Speaker 2: The pamp Romeos nothing.

633
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

634
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 6: I heard doctor Marshall described was a domestic battery situation,

635
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 6: and that's what this is.

636
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: That's what I've been saying. This is not trafficking, it's

637
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: not even closed.

638
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 6: No, but you're watching different cases. You're just upset that,

639
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 6: as usual, the is right over the prosecution.

640
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: You think I'm something new.

641
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: You already said that we're watching different cases. Sydney Sumner

642
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: got a question for you. Let's get down to some

643
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: breast tacks here. Isn't it true that today during a

644
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: discussion regarding evidence amongst the lawyers, we find out about

645
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: two more recorded phone calls from King Combs. Shawn Combs himself.

646
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: He doesn't make Christina Korum do his dirty work. He

647
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: gets on the phone himself. What's the significance of that

648
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: phone call with Jane?

649
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: Well, Nancy, we heard one phone call after their twenty

650
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: twenty three trip to Turks and Tacos, where Jane says

651
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: that Combs sprung another hotel night on her and then

652
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: offense had a good point here. Jane had reached out

653
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 3: to a entertainer before they even left, intending to invite

654
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Speaker 3: him on the trip, So they did make a good

655
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: point there. But we hear a phone call after that

656
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: where they're exchanging loving messages about how much fun they

657
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: had on this trip. On Combs calls Jane his crack pipe.

658
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: You don't know if that's supposed to be romantic, but

659
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 3: we heard that he had such a good time with

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Speaker 3: her and that he's so addicted to being with her

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Speaker 3: that he was going to call her his crack pipe.

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Speaker 3: Going forward, the.

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Speaker 11: Jury heard of voicemail comes left Jane in response to

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Speaker 11: her loving text messages calling her his crack pipe. Combs

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Speaker 11: expressed how much fun he had with Jane on their

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty three Turks and Keiko's trip and told Jane

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Speaker 11: to get her rest and informing her of his newest

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Speaker 11: nickname for her, quote, you are the crack pipe. That's

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Speaker 11: my new name for you, crack pipe. I'm going to

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Speaker 11: call you crack pipe. Very good time together.

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Speaker 2: That's all well and good to hear it from a reporter,

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Speaker 2: but let's hear it from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 12: Hey baby, we had a great time staying the light.

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Speaker 12: It's all good. Get your arrests. You are the crack pipe.

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Speaker 12: That's my new name for your crack pipe. Should I

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Speaker 12: call you CP? But yeah, I don't. I want you

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Speaker 12: to stay in the light. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 12: We had a very very good time together. Yeah, I

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Speaker 12: had a great time, and I really really want you

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Speaker 12: to get some rest. I ain't know about you're throwing

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Speaker 12: up and all that. That's when I was like, hold

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Speaker 12: up a second, I get some rest, baby.

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Speaker 1: Love crime stories with Nancy Grace. Hey baby, we had

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Speaker 1: a great time.

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Speaker 12: Stay in the light. It's all good. Get your rest.

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Speaker 12: You are the crack pipe. That's my new name for

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Speaker 12: your crack pipe? Should I call you CP? But yeah,

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Speaker 12: I don't. I want you to stay in the light.

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Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying. We had a very very

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Speaker 12: good time together. Yeah, I had a great time, and

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Speaker 12: I really really want you to get some rest. I

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Speaker 12: ain't know about you're throwing up and all that. That's

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Speaker 12: when I was like, hold up a second, I get

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Speaker 12: some reci.

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Speaker 2: Love joining me an all star panel straight out to

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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough, joining us director at the Cold Case Foundation,

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Speaker 2: former homicide detective and for my purposes, former vice.

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Speaker 1: You can find him.

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Speaker 2: Now at the interview room on YouTube. Chris McDonough, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to call you CP, crack pipe. Really, could you

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Speaker 2: help me explain to Greg Morse this is the same

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Speaker 2: way that pimps treat the women that get out and

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Speaker 2: make twenty five dollars a trick for them. They beat

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Speaker 2: them if they have to. That's the stick. Then they

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Speaker 2: use the carrot. They'll go to dollartry and buy them

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Speaker 2: a new shirt, or they'll buy them a cheeseburger.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 2: That's really that's some real cases that I have prosecuted

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Speaker 2: that's the carrot.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. Works.

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Speaker 2: But in this case it's a but take a bag

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Speaker 2: or a diamond bracelet that you get some birthday sushi

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Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my stars, he loves me.

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Speaker 1: It's sick.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it is, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's classic.

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Speaker 13: I mean, think about Burke, a boy sitting in the corner,

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Speaker 13: you know, butt naked from the neck down, and he's,

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Speaker 13: you know, inflicting pain visually and physically on a victim

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Speaker 13: in front of him and to him, she has no

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Speaker 13: existence other than his existence. And to think his existence

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Speaker 13: right now has been reduced to zoo pills, rhino pills,

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Speaker 13: purchase an encounter of your local sex shop. You know

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Speaker 13: what he reminds me of. We remember the old X

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Speaker 13: rated boots in these old shops where you know, you

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Speaker 13: could walk in there, you.

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Speaker 1: Pull the curtain back. There they are.

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Speaker 13: That is p Diddy, And the difference with him is

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Speaker 13: he just has some bucks behind his lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Chris mcdonah, it's I think it's hard for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people to see that he is really no different

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Speaker 2: from a thug pimp that beats the women. As a

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Speaker 2: matter of fact, Chris, look at your screen. Look at

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Speaker 2: your monitor. I want to show you the photos of

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Speaker 2: the doors that were attacked by Sean Combs. There's one

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Speaker 2: that was cracked in. Look at that actually cracked and

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Speaker 2: fort kicked in. Look at that. There were four doors

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Speaker 2: that were broken in by him to get to a victim, Jane,

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Speaker 2: to beat her. So you've got the beatings where he says,

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Speaker 2: just put on some makeup and get out there. Quit vomiting,

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Speaker 2: get out there.

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Speaker 1: There's that. Then you've got the diamond bracelet.

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Speaker 2: So how can you just see the diamond bralet and

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Speaker 2: not see the beatings?

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Speaker 13: Well exactly, and we can see the beatings. Is persona

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Speaker 13: is Hey, look at me. I'm a good guy, but

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Speaker 13: behind the scenes he's violent.

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Speaker 2: Joining us Sidney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter, Sidney, bring

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Speaker 2: me up to date regarding Jane's testimony. It's been I

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Speaker 2: think five days, twenty plus hours of her on the

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Speaker 2: stand and now the state drops a bomb in the

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Speaker 2: court room setting.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're finishing, that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, Nancy. So Jane has been on the stand for

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Speaker 3: quite some time now. Defense attorneys have had quite a

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Speaker 3: time trying to disprove what she said under cross examination,

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Speaker 3: but after Jane, we are expected to just have a

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Speaker 3: few more witnesses. Prosecutors say they are cutting down their

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Speaker 3: witness list and now plans to wrap slightly earlier than

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Speaker 3: they intended. They always predicted about six weeks to make

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Speaker 3: their case and that should be exactly what we hit

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Speaker 3: by the end of next week.

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Speaker 14: February of twenty twenty three was the first time Jane

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Speaker 14: claims she threatened to withhold hotel nights from Combs. Jane

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Speaker 14: says she threw the hotel night card when she realized

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Speaker 14: Colmbs had taken another girlfriend on a beautiful birthday vacation

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Speaker 14: while Jane spent her birthday having sex with three escorts.

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Speaker 14: Jane says that at her threat of refusing future hotel nights,

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Speaker 14: including one plan for Valentine's Day, Combs left the vacation

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Speaker 14: a day early. Their Valentine's plans did proceed, with Jane

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Speaker 14: having sex with two entertainers at the same time.

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Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Detative Sergeant Mason Griffith, just

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Speaker 2: thirty four, shot and killed in the line of duty,

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Speaker 2: leaving behind a grieving wife. Jennifer Sons, Trevor and Jason.

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Speaker 2: American hero to take a Sergeant Mason Griffith Nancy Grace

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Speaker 2: signing off goodbye friend,