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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play this because I was one of

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Speaker 1: the people that probably went after her the most aggressively

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Speaker 1: on this, and it feels like Michelle Obama is still

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Speaker 1: trying to act like she wasn't a diva for refusing

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Speaker 1: to attend Jimmy Carter's funeral.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen this?

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Speaker 1: She's been addressing it on her podcast that no one

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Speaker 1: is evidently listening to, and she made herself out to

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Speaker 1: be the victim for being unwilling to go to Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Carter's funeral and listen to this gobblygook from Michelle Obama,

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Speaker 1: who I would argue is probably the most overrated person

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Speaker 1: in all of America. This is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, I argue that the.

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Speaker 1: Most overrated person in the world by Clay Travis. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna get Yes, she is the anti Patrick Swayzee. Patrick

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Speaker 1: Swayzee the most underrated nineteen eighties actor. For those of

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Speaker 1: you who were listening yesterday in the third hour of

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Speaker 1: the program, Michelle Obama the most overrated person in the world.

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Speaker 1: I find her to be very unlikable, and since she

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Speaker 1: has left office, I find her to be frankly insufferable.

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Speaker 1: Even have you ever read her Princeton thesis of you

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Speaker 3: I have?

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Speaker 2: It's that bad? Would? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Because remember thesis? You could go find my thesis. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it was very good, but you know it

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Speaker 1: was on like basically the Communists of taken over and

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Speaker 1: using speech codes. I told people mine it was the

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Speaker 1: burning of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. Remember the Civil War? Nerd for

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Speaker 1: my History Honors thesis yet.

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Speaker 2: But so what was harming? I want the video of you.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we know that out in the battlefield

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Speaker 1: doing the reenactments, you're playing the fife because it's the

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Speaker 1: closest thing to a flute.

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Speaker 1: They had fif's in World War Two. Now I could

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Speaker 1: play the fife in the Revolutionary War. We're having all

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Speaker 1: the job they didn't do in the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: I think they had moved on.

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Speaker 1: I think the technology was such that they had moved

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't think people still play the fife now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's we have some Civil War reenactors.

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Speaker 1: What would wind instrument? Were they playing out in the

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Speaker 1: field in the Civil War or real? I think they

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Speaker 1: the in the Civil War. By the way, what about

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Speaker 1: the is it insanely brave or insanely dumb? Sometimes they overlap.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine being the guy who was in the

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Speaker 2: Why did they have the flute guy?

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Speaker 1: Like, why not just get the flute guy a gun

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Speaker 1: and play less instruments? Play You know the answer to this,

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Speaker 1: because when it comes to a battle, what gets you

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Speaker 1: Some of our Civil War super nerds, you and Clay,

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Speaker 1: the secret society of Civil War super nerds that you

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Speaker 1: situation was in that era, because we all think of

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Speaker 1: the breaches and the fife and the drums for the Revolution.

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Speaker 1: flutes played an important role in communication and boosting morale

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Speaker 2: They had a tough way to go, you know.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you had to pick somebody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the flute guy was tougher than we thought, like

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Speaker 1: like it would be the Remember when Scarlett and Going

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Speaker 1: liked spoiler alert Ashley uh uh no, sorry, she liked

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Speaker 1: I have never seen Gone with the Wind, which is

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Speaker 1: really crazy. I know, the most successful movie of all time,

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Speaker 1: reverse to Ashley Wilkes And then Ashley was with Melanie

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Speaker 1: during you know, different eras the flute guy, fluke guy, clearly,

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Speaker 1: Big whine about how poorly she was treated at Princeton

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Speaker 4: You know. It's like, while I'm here really trying to

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Speaker 1: took everything in my power not to do the right thing.

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Speaker 3: in yourself in a commitment is a great way to

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Speaker 3: enhance your life and your career.

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Speaker 1: I got a great I got a reverse for a second. Here,

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Speaker 1: take us into this. This is a great story of romance.

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Speaker 1: You met your husband on a plane, like what was

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Speaker 1: the first move here? Did he spill his his peanuts

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Speaker 1: or his seltzer and your lap?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: How did he get this going?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it was nineteen ninety seven, So let's go

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Speaker 3: on the way way back machine. Nobody had phones, nobody

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Speaker 3: had air pods. Okay. So I was carrying a book.

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Speaker 3: I was working for a congressman. I was coming back

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Speaker 3: from washing from Denver, going Denver Chicago, Chicago, DC. And

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Speaker 3: I was on an American Airlines flight. I almost missed

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Speaker 3: the plane because it was my first time driving out

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Speaker 3: to the new Denver International Airport, which might as well

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Speaker 3: be in Kansas.

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Speaker 2: It's so far away, it's accurate.

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Speaker 3: And so the last two people to get on the

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Speaker 3: plane were myself and this guy. And I sat down

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Speaker 3: in the window seat and he said, would you like

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Speaker 3: me to put your bag up above? British accent strong

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Speaker 3: moves A strong move, Yeah, accent accents are helpful. No

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Speaker 3: wedding ring handsome. And he had a book called The

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Speaker 3: Tailor of Panama by John McCarey. I said, oh, I said,

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Speaker 3: do you like that book? So we started talking about

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Speaker 3: books and for two and a half hours. We talked

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Speaker 3: for a long time. I remember asking him what do

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Speaker 3: people in Europe think about Bill Clinton? And he said

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Speaker 3: they think he's a clown. And I was like, oh, wow,

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Speaker 3: we're going to get along great. But then I remember

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Speaker 3: looking at the window and saying a prayer to God

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Speaker 3: that I know I asked you to help me find someone.

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Speaker 3: But he's much older than me, he lives in England.

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Speaker 3: My career is on the right track. I didn't think

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Speaker 3: I would meet somebody on an airplane, but I couldn't eat, sleep, drink,

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Speaker 3: concentrate anything after I met him, and about six weeks

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Speaker 3: later we had our first date when he was back

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Speaker 3: in the States in New Orleans, and six months later

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Speaker 3: I moved to England. Twenty eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what was the reaction when you told people I'm

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Speaker 1: just kind of curious, Hey, I'm going to move to England.

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Speaker 1: I met a guy on an airplane.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you hit the nail on the head of

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons I wrote the book because one

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Speaker 3: of the things I worried about in my twenties was

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Speaker 3: how am I going to get a job, How will

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Speaker 3: I succeed? How will I pay my bills? Then? How

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Speaker 3: am I going to meet somebody. How am I going

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Speaker 3: to then? What are people going to think about me?

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Speaker 3: For wanting to be with this man who is much

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Speaker 3: older than me, lives in England, and that I'm leaving

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Speaker 3: my job and career to go live in England and

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Speaker 3: who knows what's going to happen to me? Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: I worried myself to death. And this a woman of

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Speaker 3: a family friends that don't give up on this chance

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Speaker 3: to be loved and.

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Speaker 1: The data one superpower that I've learned is to not

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Speaker 1: care what people think who don't matter to you, you know.

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Speaker 3: But you know what it's so interesting is that we

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Speaker 3: have to learn this lesson over and over again because

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Speaker 3: your parents teach you that when you're young, or maybe

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Speaker 3: you learn it in Sunday school or from a teacher

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Speaker 3: or from other friends. And all of these young people

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Speaker 3: are always thinking about what others are thinking about them

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Speaker 3: and how they're being judged. And what I remind them

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Speaker 3: is that actually we all just think about ourselves all

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Speaker 3: the time. Somebody has time to think about you.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, especially in a social media age,

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Speaker 1: people are even more obsessed about how they're being perceived

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Speaker 1: than they would have been in the past.

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Speaker 2: Quickly.

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Speaker 1: Wait, can I ask her a question that, Dana, do

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Speaker 1: you think that? Do you think that women? I'm putting

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Speaker 1: you on the hot seat a little bit here. Everybody

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Speaker 1: loves data, Pirno, everyone's gonna love this book. You're on

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Speaker 1: the hot seat.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Do women in this era care too much about men's height?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, you know, I am barely I'm not even quite

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Speaker 3: five foot one. So even Gottzald is a little tall

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Speaker 3: to me. So just kidding, he is not tall to me.

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Speaker 3: The women care too much about height? I mean maybe,

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Speaker 3: I mean I know that it's sort of awkward. It depends,

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Speaker 3: like I don't you don't see.

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Speaker 1: A lot of how tall is your husband, Dana? How

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Speaker 1: tall is your husband?

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Speaker 2: Let's just let's just.

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Speaker 3: Go through this about I would say five to ten.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is like he's like tall, but not you know,

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Speaker 1: you didn't date like you're not a five to one

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Speaker 1: lady who married a six foot five guy.

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Speaker 2: We've had some conversations on the show recently about this.

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Speaker 3: He's tall for someone from Scotland.

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Speaker 2: How about that fair enough?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's just a shot at

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Speaker 1: Scottish men by the way, that you just I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been tall for someone from Scottish.

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Speaker 2: Men are short. Is this true?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the book, by the way, is fabulous. I have

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Speaker 1: met her husband. He is fabulous. Dana has taken.

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Speaker 3: Us out show.

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Speaker 2: He is great. He is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, by the way, you're listening to a guy

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Speaker 1: who may get canceled at any moment. No idea what

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Speaker 1: might happen from one second to the next week. Someone

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Speaker 1: one had told go ahead and Dana Perino, go buy it.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna like it, Dana, We appreciate the time you

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Speaker 1: do fantastic or till we said high thank you. Same

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Speaker 1: to you, Clay. I was struck by something as we're

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Speaker 1: talking to Dana.

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Speaker 2: Who who? It is true?

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Speaker 1: Everybody my wife loves Dana. Everybody loves Dana. Her book

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Speaker 1: is fantastic. I'm sure the last book was fantastic. I

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Speaker 1: have a book title for you for your next book,

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Speaker 1: because we know the topic. I have a title for you.

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you the title now

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Speaker 1: or when we come back. I want to hear your

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Speaker 1: title when we come back. We've got a title for

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Speaker 1: the book and it's probably not going to surprise you.

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious if your title is somewhat similar to

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Speaker 1: the title. We've got an idea. Now that you're telling

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Speaker 1: me this, I feel like it could be, but you

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Speaker 1: have just to be clear, Clay has not told me

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Speaker 1: the title of his forthcoming book. I have a title

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Speaker 1: in mind for him, and I think some of you

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Speaker 1: are really going to like it. So that's what we

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Speaker 1: call it. Ease in the business.

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Speaker 2: Uh you switch? Is it me or you? Who's supposed

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Speaker 2: to know? It's me? It's me? Oh, I blew it.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, the least flowers are throwing you off, buddy, I

572
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: need something. The leaf blowers just track me everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I hate those guys. Sundays with Clay and Bus.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I want to say, Dana Perino maybe

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Speaker 1: the nicest person on air at Fox News, but if

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Speaker 1: she had to get into a royal rumble with the

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Speaker 1: other nicest person in my experience, Shannon versus Dana Perino

578
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Speaker 1: for the title of nicest person on the air at

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Speaker 1: Fox News would be like the Jordan Lebron debate of

580
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Speaker 1: the Fox News era.

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Speaker 2: But they are the two nicest people on the planet.

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Speaker 1: I would I would concur they're two of the nicest

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Speaker 1: people have come across in this, in this business and

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Speaker 1: just in general. But Clay, your book is going to

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Speaker 1: be about masculinity in America today. I think your book

586
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: title should be the First Amendment. And dudes, that's good.

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Speaker 1: You are going to be it's The book title is

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Speaker 1: going to be Buck Balls B A L LS how

589
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Speaker 1: Trump one men? Uh and it all it has on

590
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Speaker 1: the cover is just two big basketballs. One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: This is this is what, this is what. Yes, you're

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Speaker 1: all very welcome. That is Buck's title is very good.

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Speaker 1: But the title of my book is legitimately just balls

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Speaker 1: B A L LSU And uh, yeah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: one