Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Spirited Actor Podcast with me
Speaker 1: Tracy Moore. I was a casting director for film and
Speaker 1: TV and commercials for over thirty years. I transitioned to
Speaker 1: a celebrity acting coach after I cast a film New
Speaker 1: Jersey Drive with executive producers Spike Lee and director Nick Domez.
Speaker 1: I auditioned every rapper from Biggie Smalls to Tupac, and
Speaker 1: I realized that rappers and musical artists they needed help
Speaker 1: transitioning to acting. My clients consist of musical artists from
Speaker 1: Buster Rhymes to Eve, Missy Elliott, Angela Yee from The
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, and Vanessa Simmons, to name a few. I
Speaker 1: also coach sports stars and host as well. I feel
Speaker 1: I have the best of both worlds. As a casting director,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what they're looking for, and as an
Speaker 1: acting coach, I can coach you to be remembered in
Speaker 1: that room. Now I know, I know actors want to
Speaker 1: get the job. I get that, but being remembered by
Speaker 1: casting director that is powerful.
Speaker 2: And now it's time for meditation of the day.
Speaker 3: Most people rush after pleasures so fast that they rush
Speaker 3: right past anonymous. I want people to slow down all
Speaker 3: I want you to do is when you've reached a
Speaker 3: goal or when you celebrate yourself, to just send.
Speaker 2: In it for at least a day.
Speaker 3: I was talking to an actor that got booked and
Speaker 3: they were so excited.
Speaker 2: We were so proud of them, we were happy.
Speaker 3: And then in the conversation they were already anxious about
Speaker 3: the next.
Speaker 2: Gig that they were going to get.
Speaker 3: So I said, well, if you do a great job
Speaker 3: in this project, it's only going to put more eyes
Speaker 3: on you and more opportunities. And then I stopped myself
Speaker 3: and said, you should sit in the greatness, the greatness
Speaker 3: of this moment. You should sit in this because you're
Speaker 3: missing the joy. You're already thinking about something else in
Speaker 3: the next Today, I will sit in my greatness.
Speaker 2: I will sit in my joy. I will sit in
Speaker 2: my piece.
Speaker 3: Before we get started, I like to remind everyone to
Speaker 3: go to Krackle Network to use seasons one and two
Speaker 3: of my show Inside the Black Box that I co
Speaker 3: host with the great Emmy Award winning Joe Morton. Look
Speaker 3: out for news on season three soon. Welcome to the
Speaker 3: Spirited Actor Podcast with me Tracy Moore. I just want
Speaker 3: to say, and you know when I say this, you
Speaker 3: know it's coming from the depths of my soul. Because
Speaker 3: when you meet people in this industry and you magnetically, spiritually,
Speaker 3: soulfully connect, and then you kind of question like, well
Speaker 3: did we need how do I know?
Speaker 2: And then you realize you haven't. You don't know.
Speaker 3: That's someone that's familiar in your soul vibration and you
Speaker 3: should lat onto them because there are very few of
Speaker 3: those energies around. And I just met this woman and like,
Speaker 3: I care so much about her. She is my fan,
Speaker 3: she really is, Like she's such a good person. Forget
Speaker 3: about what she does, but she's a good person. And
Speaker 3: she came up to me on the set of Lifetimes
Speaker 3: Abduction at an HBCU in which she is the casting
Speaker 3: director on, came up to me, introduced herself and I
Speaker 3: had been talking about her earlier with Ntori Non and
Speaker 3: I couldn't wait to meet her. And when we met,
Speaker 3: I was we were hugging you guys on the set.
Speaker 3: It was so crazy, but that was the love we
Speaker 3: were just I just remember hugging up with her on
Speaker 3: her and saying, wait.
Speaker 2: Is this two single black female Because I.
Speaker 3: Was just like, I didn't care ladies and gentlemen, I
Speaker 3: cannot go on and on and on about this beautiful,
Speaker 3: beautiful soul, beautiful sister. And she has the same vibration
Speaker 3: passion that I have for actors.
Speaker 2: So that was another common denominator.
Speaker 3: Please stand up and put your hands together for castine, director, extraordinaire, producers,
Speaker 3: so many multi hyphenated Leslie M Green CSA.
Speaker 2: Please welcome, Thank.
Speaker 4: You, thank you for having me, Thank you. I want
Speaker 4: to meet me. After that introduction, I want to meet me.
Speaker 2: Yes see you see what I see?
Speaker 4: Yes for having me?
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Leslie.
Speaker 4: I held no, I'm just saying thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you. We've been trying to make this happen
Speaker 4: for a while.
Speaker 3: Now it's here, and you know what. It's all into
Speaker 3: vine timing, so I trusted. I want to start off.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I have so many things and I
Speaker 3: feel like this pressure. But it's okay because there can
Speaker 3: be part two and part three. So I want to
Speaker 3: start off with how did you get started as a
Speaker 3: casting director?
Speaker 2: Because these are the.
Speaker 3: Stories that we rarely hear. We'll hear how a director, producer, writer?
Speaker 3: Because there are no casting schools, there are no casting courses,
Speaker 3: there are no casting books.
Speaker 2: How to surf for you?
Speaker 4: Well, so I was working in marketing promotions and I
Speaker 4: was doing marketing promotion for Tyler Perry when he was
Speaker 4: first getting started with his plays here in Atlanta. But
Speaker 4: even further back, I always wanted to be in the industry.
Speaker 4: I knew I wanted to be in the industry, and
Speaker 4: I went to college to be a film editor and
Speaker 4: that was just horrible. Well, you know back then, the
Speaker 4: tapes for this big Yeah, he had physically put it
Speaker 4: to turn that's so far. So they didn't have put
Speaker 4: in all of these Adobe systems. They didn't have all
Speaker 4: of that, And I missed out a lot of fun
Speaker 4: in college being in the in the rooms, right. But
Speaker 4: I graduated and then came down here and I did
Speaker 4: some PA work in Philly. But I still didn't hadn't
Speaker 4: figured out what I really wanted to do. So I
Speaker 4: was doing a marketing promotion for Tyler Perry's plays and
Speaker 4: I started. This was when Constant Contact was like so new,
Speaker 4: like it was twenty.
Speaker 2: Dolls remembers, it was new.
Speaker 4: So I was like, well, this is what we're going
Speaker 4: to do. We're going to create a database and whoever
Speaker 4: goes to the concerts. We'll offer them like discount tickets,
Speaker 4: you know, we're prizes for them to win tickets to
Speaker 4: Tyler shows and different things like that. So I started
Speaker 4: doing that and my database was like seven thousand strong Black.
Speaker 4: Anybody that went to any black play or concert at
Speaker 4: the Philadelphia I mean at the Atlanta Civic Center or
Speaker 4: at the Fox Theater, I had their email addresses. And
Speaker 4: I did that for like years, and one day a
Speaker 4: friend of mine was like, hey, can you send a
Speaker 4: blast through your database because these guys I know are
Speaker 4: doing a film here and they need extras.
Speaker 5: I was like core, I.
Speaker 4: Said, you know. They was like, they gave me the
Speaker 4: specifics and I was like cool, And it's so funny
Speaker 4: because I didn't know anything about casting at that point,
Speaker 4: and I just put the power you know, the presentation
Speaker 4: together on constant contact, said hey, if you want to
Speaker 4: be in a movie, this is what you need to do.
Speaker 4: Will Nobody followed directions and they sent everything back to me,
Speaker 4: their head shots, all their contact information. So I was like,
Speaker 4: what is all this? So I put it on a
Speaker 4: PowerPoint presentation, everything every contact information, and then I sent
Speaker 4: it put it on the jump drive because it was
Speaker 4: so large, sent it off word to rainforest. The movie
Speaker 4: ended up it was called Stepping at the time. It
Speaker 4: ended up being stopped the Yard, and so I was like,
Speaker 4: this is a job getting people to be in a movie,
Speaker 4: that's the thing. So I started looking into casting from
Speaker 4: that point on and then I made my decision and
Speaker 4: that was it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because there's so many common denominators.
Speaker 3: Because I was working on Oh my God, chub Rock
Speaker 3: his for this is going so back but one my
Speaker 3: first music video, and I was a PA and so
Speaker 3: from being that day, I did slate makeup, set, designed
Speaker 3: the bar, put I put in color in clear glasses,
Speaker 3: I put food color, different colors right, And the producer
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, you set design and I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you know, and that and that became
Speaker 3: my job.
Speaker 2: It was so crazy. I just kept sliding into these
Speaker 2: different positions. But the thing that.
Speaker 3: I love in hearing your story is the resilience. And
Speaker 3: this is what I feel like I'm missing with a
Speaker 3: lot of actors of this generation is the taking the
Speaker 3: no and turning it into pushing on until you get
Speaker 3: that yes, and creating a way that's you.
Speaker 2: Leslie.
Speaker 4: I got so many noes, so many news. It was
Speaker 4: ridiculous because I get to the point I got so
Speaker 4: many news. I was just like, are you serious right now? Like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're gonna regred that in my head after a while, right, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're gonna see me again. And by the time you
Speaker 4: see me again, it's gonna be too lead. But it's
Speaker 4: so funny because you know, rain Forest and Stomping Yard
Speaker 4: being my introduction into casting, right. I had a friend
Speaker 4: working at BT, so she was like, oh, that's what
Speaker 4: you want to do. I know Robbie read, and I
Speaker 4: can introduce you too. And I don't know that Robbie
Speaker 4: took me serious or that, you know, she was already
Speaker 4: forming her unit with her her brother and.
Speaker 2: Her and her sister.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she was like, Okay, that's cute, so you know,
Speaker 4: just keep doing what you're doing. And I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 4: But you know, I studied her and then I went
Speaker 4: back to Will and Rob and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, Rainforest Films, you guys, because I just want
Speaker 3: to say, Leslie, you're dropping a lot of jewels and
Speaker 3: I want to say, you guys, Rainforest Films. That is
Speaker 3: Will Packer and Rob Cardy that's their production Yeah, their
Speaker 3: production company. And that was in the beginning, the beginning.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because so and I went to them
Speaker 4: and I was like, hey, guys, I know you don't
Speaker 4: know me, but because of you, I'm a casting director now.
Speaker 4: And you know, I worked on your project Stamped the Yard,
Speaker 4: and I remember when it was stepping and y'all asked
Speaker 4: for and you know, And I told them some of
Speaker 4: the people I sent. I was like, Shaila is one
Speaker 4: of the people I sent over. And they was like really,
Speaker 4: and I was like yeah, Adrian, and I'm you know,
Speaker 4: so Adrian Deuce now writes for All American and other
Speaker 4: big show and you know Shayla is now uh Will
Speaker 4: Packer's like right hand person over at his new production
Speaker 4: Will Packer Studios. So and it's like I'm telling them like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I send these people over, so I'm here. You know,
Speaker 4: I would love to be a part of this and
Speaker 4: DA DA D D and they was like, oh, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's great, We'll keep you in mind. And I was like,
Speaker 4: oh okay, and I was still excited. But this is
Speaker 4: the day something when you're passionate about something. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: money for me because I was willing to do it
Speaker 4: for free. I was willing to pay for my tidnts
Speaker 4: get to wherever you are. Yeah about money for me,
Speaker 4: it was just about getting the experience and learning the
Speaker 4: things that I do about casting, right, So I was
Speaker 4: all I was at the time. In Atlanta. The only
Speaker 4: casting director was Shay and she was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was doing all everything.
Speaker 3: Every time before Atlanta blew up, every time people would
Speaker 3: talk about Atlanta, they would talk about Shad you know,
Speaker 3: until I, you know, realized that's her territory I had.
Speaker 3: And the People's store, That's what they would the two
Speaker 3: things people would bring up, right, I want to say.
Speaker 2: Something about now.
Speaker 3: I started casting in eighty six, eighty seven, right at MTV,
Speaker 3: And let me tell you, I love when you were
Speaker 3: doing the shoulders thing, like that's okay. But because because
Speaker 3: life itself comes around, I don't care what people say, karma,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, it does come.
Speaker 2: Around in divine timing. Right.
Speaker 3: So I got in an eighty seven. You know, there
Speaker 3: weren't a lot of people come especially in New York.
Speaker 3: There was you know, I can name all of them
Speaker 3: in New York. But the thing is is that when
Speaker 3: people don't share their knowledge.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: When they don't, you know, take you on as an
Speaker 3: intern or spread, you're limiting the growth that you can
Speaker 3: really have.
Speaker 2: Because I did work for free.
Speaker 3: I had to learn my whole way through because everybody
Speaker 3: said no. But the same people do come around, and
Speaker 3: that's when you're not available, and you're really not available.
Speaker 3: It's not being revengeful, you really aren't available or they
Speaker 3: see the growth in which you know. This business is
Speaker 3: so much about the visuals and proving yourself what have
Speaker 3: you done late? But that's the thing that I love
Speaker 3: about you. You stay true to yourself and it has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the noise.
Speaker 2: You're still going to work. You're still going to create
Speaker 2: the journey books, like.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So like, I also want to ask.
Speaker 3: You because I'm being so conscious of the time, I
Speaker 3: want to really spend the last part of the time
Speaker 3: talking about what you've created in terms of you're giving back.
Speaker 3: And then so when with the Lifetime film.
Speaker 4: Okay you had to be proud, Yes I am.
Speaker 2: How did you feel?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: When I got the call for it, At first, I
Speaker 4: was nervous because it was just like, Okay, hey, I
Speaker 4: got a project in Atlanta. I want you to cast
Speaker 4: okay cool, send me the script. And when I saw
Speaker 4: the title of the script, I was like, ooh, I
Speaker 4: don't do scary more. I don't want to watch you.
Speaker 4: So I want to read the script because it won't
Speaker 4: be in my head. But the more we talked about
Speaker 4: what it was, I was like, Oh, I read the
Speaker 4: script and I was like, Yo, this is gonna be epic,
Speaker 4: this is going to save lives. And then I had
Speaker 4: my first conversation just with the Lifetime exects, which, let
Speaker 4: me tell you, in the indie world, casting directors, even
Speaker 4: in the real world and all the world spaces, casting
Speaker 4: directors get no love. They are not invited to the
Speaker 4: table until it's time for them to bring you actors.
Speaker 4: They get no love, no respect. They you know, we
Speaker 4: out here doing what they need and time crunches consistently.
Speaker 4: And once you do and you get them all the
Speaker 4: beautiful people that make this story come to life. They
Speaker 4: forget who you were. They forget your last name, first name,
Speaker 4: they forget the like they forget everything about you. That's
Speaker 4: another reason why I show up on set. That because
Speaker 4: it's to build relationships, to make beyond the emails back
Speaker 4: and forth beyond once I solidified your full cast. Now
Speaker 4: I'm showing up because I want to connect with my
Speaker 4: producers to make sure that they're happy and everybody's an alignment.
Speaker 4: Like you know, you don't want you don't want to
Speaker 4: hear anything bad about the people you send, because if
Speaker 4: that happens, I won't send these people going forward. They
Speaker 4: might knock get out the park in an audition, but
Speaker 4: if your an etiquette on set sucks, I can't send
Speaker 4: you because you're a representative of my casting company. Because
Speaker 4: I'm putting you out there saying I'm behind this person's work,
Speaker 4: their work ethic, all of the things, and if you're
Speaker 4: not doing set, then I need to know because that's
Speaker 4: the person I won't send to the next set. So
Speaker 4: the relationship based industry, and so yeah, I show up
Speaker 4: on set to build relationships with the talent, to find
Speaker 4: out who they are and what other things they want
Speaker 4: to do, because then when I have something that's in alignment,
Speaker 4: I know they already can act hey, and I know
Speaker 4: that's going to help them get to the next level
Speaker 4: in their career, or it's something that they've never done
Speaker 4: it they want to challenge themselves now to do. Now
Speaker 4: I know who they are and now they know that
Speaker 4: the trade are so I love it. And even though
Speaker 4: it's not about it's not about money, but.
Speaker 2: I do like the care.
Speaker 4: I love candlelight dinners, but I don't want to get
Speaker 4: shot and all the other things, you know, But I
Speaker 4: love it and you know, and I go to the
Speaker 4: premieres if they have a premiere there, if it's an
Speaker 4: on set in l if I'm casting something in La,
Speaker 4: I'm showing up, you know, I put that in. I
Speaker 4: make sure I set that money's aside so that I
Speaker 4: can be present. And so if they forget me, it's
Speaker 4: just because somebody was being mean and facetious a petty.
Speaker 4: So most I don't get forgotten. So but it's something
Speaker 4: that you have to like, you have to be seeing.
Speaker 4: And you know, I talked to my assistant, who is
Speaker 4: my part beat like I'm trying to I'm treating her
Speaker 4: like I wish somebody had treated me. In this industry.
Speaker 4: I'm getting opportunities so that if she decides to do
Speaker 4: her own thing, she's doing.
Speaker 2: A great job.
Speaker 5: And it's no animosity.
Speaker 4: Is that I know she can do it, and it's
Speaker 4: just builds our fortitude longer and wider as competition, right,
Speaker 4: And I noticed that in our community so often we
Speaker 4: feel like we got to be gatekeepers. And I have
Speaker 4: to say it's because a Twinkie that I no longer
Speaker 4: feel like I have to be a gatekeeper over information.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Wow, I would be like, yeah, I can't help you,
Speaker 4: but her mentorship and her opening doors for me with
Speaker 4: no fear of you know, And this is the thing
Speaker 4: when you somebody does something for you, if you're a
Speaker 4: solid person, there's a lot of loyalty that that breeds.
Speaker 4: So Twinki can ask me to do it. Could be like, oh,
Speaker 4: but it's only paying five hundred dollars because it's her,
Speaker 4: I would do that, right, right, you tell five hundred
Speaker 4: dollars in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: She knows that.
Speaker 4: All she got to do is ask me. And I'm
Speaker 4: sure because of what you hand them for me in
Speaker 4: the past.
Speaker 3: And I've known you twenty minutes and already I've recommended you.
Speaker 3: So no, oh my god, Leslie, Leslie. Like the thing
Speaker 3: is is you've touched upon so much and there is
Speaker 3: going to be a part to you.
Speaker 2: Guys, it has to be. We can't cram and rush
Speaker 2: and all of that.
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about what you touched on
Speaker 3: in terms of casting directors getting the proper credit and accolades,
Speaker 3: because my first job when I saw that the way
Speaker 3: this industry worked is that even though the writer wrote
Speaker 3: the film, it's a film by the director, right and.
Speaker 2: And we're the ones who I know on New York Undercover.
Speaker 3: I went to bed at ten am, I mean two
Speaker 3: am sometimes, and I was doing extras on New York Undercover.
Speaker 2: So the you know.
Speaker 3: When the thank yous go out, it's the director that
Speaker 3: found the talent, you know, or the producer that found
Speaker 3: the talent. And it's like, if the talent doesn't appreciate,
Speaker 3: love us and acknowledge us, because that's where the value,
Speaker 3: right then you know, our name just exists as like
Speaker 3: not people on this credit, But you wouldn't have the
Speaker 3: actors if it, or the ideas because we just don't
Speaker 3: find talent. We beg we plead, wear.
Speaker 4: Many, we get this many auditions, we get like and
Speaker 4: by the time the producer director sees it is this
Speaker 4: many right, right, h But we go through all of
Speaker 4: this many to give you the solid the jewelry that
Speaker 4: they can say, oh, I'm having such a right decision
Speaker 4: this person and that person. We're like, yeah, talk about it,
Speaker 4: uh five hundred, talk about that. We like late at night.
Speaker 4: I remember one time I was on a project with
Speaker 4: Tweakie and I did not sleep at all. And when
Speaker 4: she found out, she was like yo, timeout says nah,
Speaker 4: we're not doing it. And I was just just wanted
Speaker 4: to make sure everything was done and right like, no,
Speaker 4: it's going to be there tomorrow. It's great, So yeah,
Speaker 4: time management. But I just didn't want to stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I used to.
Speaker 3: I definitely didn't eat when we had live casting.
Speaker 2: I don't remember eating.
Speaker 3: And then I started to have my assistant incorporate lunch
Speaker 3: at least thirty minutes because then I wasn't functioning.
Speaker 2: And you have to take care of yourself.
Speaker 4: And you sit in all day although I was racked,
Speaker 4: and you're sitting and you're seeing people in the seat,
Speaker 4: no food, you just like no water maybe yeah, And.
Speaker 3: You know, like I applaud you and other casting directors
Speaker 3: still casting, and you know, I that is my love
Speaker 3: and that's where I come from. I was just so
Speaker 3: I think towards the end of my full time.
Speaker 2: Career as a casting director.
Speaker 3: I was so challenged with the indecisiveness of director and
Speaker 3: and and you know, like you know, how do you
Speaker 3: know talent? Like actors are probably like what do you see?
Speaker 2: What are you looking for? But we as casting directors,
Speaker 2: I feel like we know right away, we do we know,
Speaker 2: So what's your process?
Speaker 4: So it's funny because it's a it's an energy. I
Speaker 4: look at people's energy like that is so and it
Speaker 4: radiates when they're auditioning, because this is the most actors
Speaker 4: really don't get. And I love that y'all want to
Speaker 4: get y'all tapes in early and y'all want to just
Speaker 4: have it out there. But did you connect with the character?
Speaker 4: We can see that there's no connection to the in
Speaker 4: the audition, like you just did it and you know
Speaker 4: you're just saying the lines. You're not bringing anything unique
Speaker 4: to the character. Now, mind you. We got to watch
Speaker 4: the same lines like at zillion times and you just
Speaker 4: like regurgitating lines. Those are easy swipes. Those are easy
Speaker 4: people that don't take time to do a backstory and
Speaker 4: connect with the character. Y'all make it easy for us
Speaker 4: to just keep on. Oh they didn't connect. You can
Speaker 4: see it when they speak that they didn't have a backstory.
Speaker 4: They just jumped in right where where the sides start
Speaker 4: and then they stop on foard like anything about this person?
Speaker 4: Did you connect in any way with what you read?
Speaker 4: And if you didn't, did you build a backstory so
Speaker 4: that you can connect? Like, but we see it. It's
Speaker 4: trans It's so transparent. You cannot make this right. Not faith,
Speaker 4: it's so funny. It's that one actor. It's a couple,
Speaker 4: but it's particularly the one who is so branded and
Speaker 4: marketed for who she is. It's hard for me to
Speaker 4: see her in a in a real role because she's
Speaker 4: gonna always be who she is as a person because
Speaker 4: of the brand. So she has to really jump through
Speaker 4: hoops for her name to be on my list right outside.
Speaker 4: But then there's a and I'm saying the Taraji and
Speaker 4: Octavia Spencer of Viola Davis who become that person. So
Speaker 4: you don't even think about all of the other works
Speaker 4: that they did. Now you don't see them as like
Speaker 4: with the Tory, you don't see the Tory as Tasha
Speaker 4: from you know, you don't see that. You see Ellen
Speaker 4: is getting to oh this counselor ain't no joke? Like
Speaker 4: she ain't playing with hers. So it's it's those moments
Speaker 4: when you become you immerse yourself into that character all
Speaker 4: of the other things. Yeah, I can talk about this
Speaker 4: thing forever, h.
Speaker 2: But you know what I do want to say the
Speaker 2: character King Guys.
Speaker 3: I had the pleasure of him at coming into you know,
Speaker 3: trailer talking with Naturia. At one point, I am so
Speaker 3: happy that I didn't see any footage of him because
Speaker 3: I was I hated him so much and I said
Speaker 3: to him, but in real life he was the sweetest,
Speaker 3: most genuine spirit.
Speaker 2: I loved him, and I said to.
Speaker 3: Myself, see this, this is what I'm talking about from
Speaker 3: Leslie's point of view. You come in as your person,
Speaker 3: who you are, and then you morph into being this
Speaker 3: other person.
Speaker 2: Now you know we deal with actor because I never
Speaker 2: saw that in like seeing him at craft service or whatever.
Speaker 2: We'd be like, hey, I saw the film.
Speaker 3: I was like, I just want to choke him, pick
Speaker 3: up something to stab him.
Speaker 4: He is amazing. And even when I went to talk
Speaker 4: to him, he was like, this is something that is
Speaker 4: so like his parents I think are like ministers and
Speaker 4: her and so he was like, you know, I do
Speaker 4: this because what it what the story is so people aware, right,
Speaker 4: it's a whole. It's deeper and you can that's when
Speaker 4: you tell people are not motivated by the money. It's
Speaker 4: craft and what doing the craft can, How it saves lives,
Speaker 4: how it motivates, how it encourages.
Speaker 3: All right, So I want to I'm Leslie. It's gonna
Speaker 3: come back on for part two. You guys, that's the
Speaker 3: done deal. But I want to shift over to I
Speaker 3: don't even know what to call it. Merchandise literary, like
Speaker 3: I she.
Speaker 2: Is so multi high Canadian.
Speaker 3: When we were on the set, she was like, Tracy,
Speaker 3: we're getting ready to leave and she's like, Christy, come
Speaker 3: to my car.
Speaker 2: She opened up her truck.
Speaker 4: I was like, who are you? Are you?
Speaker 2: That's why I said who are you?
Speaker 3: So Leslie, as Andy has come on, we have five minutes,
Speaker 3: use them all, tell us book everything.
Speaker 4: Okay. So yeah, So it's weird because I have such
Speaker 4: a hard time talking about myself. It's always about, you know,
Speaker 4: the job and how can I do something to help
Speaker 4: other people? So the books came about for the intent
Speaker 4: and purpose because a lot of actors, you know. Okay,
Speaker 4: So I had a conversation with Louis Gotsi Jr. Before
Speaker 4: he passed away. So I used to work with him
Speaker 4: a lot, and I would go to his house and
Speaker 4: sit with him and he would just drop gems and
Speaker 4: gems and gems. So when we were talking about doing
Speaker 4: his life story at the time, and I was like,
Speaker 4: what if it was a book that you had where
Speaker 4: people you could just say, Okay, here's these books. It's
Speaker 4: information about all of the projects that I've done. Read
Speaker 4: what you want and take notes and then we'll talk
Speaker 4: about those projects. And so that's where the actor's journey
Speaker 4: that this one right here, that's this one. So what
Speaker 4: you do every audition, every time you go out, every
Speaker 4: time you get an audition, what do you feel about it?
Speaker 4: It tries to help you build your backstory. It makes
Speaker 4: you and it helps you set goals. What acting coaches
Speaker 4: you want to work with, What directors do you want
Speaker 4: to work with?
Speaker 2: Who else?
Speaker 4: What other actors do you want to be on the
Speaker 4: same set with. It helps you to write the vision.
Speaker 4: The worst that's write the vision, making plans so he
Speaker 4: who reads it can run. You're the person reading it
Speaker 4: so that you can run with it. So write that vision,
Speaker 4: keep writing those things and then it's some steps so
Speaker 4: that when you are on set or you're going to
Speaker 4: how to be preferred for your headshot, you know some
Speaker 4: steps that you can take to make sure that when
Speaker 4: you go to the headshot and you remember that the
Speaker 4: photographer is working for you, don't let them tell you
Speaker 4: that other thing. Have a mirror so that if you
Speaker 4: don't have one of your bfs, who's a woman that's
Speaker 4: going to see I saw a thing the other day
Speaker 4: and you can see the I was like God. So
Speaker 4: you know, it's things to give you to think about.
Speaker 4: And that's what the producer because I produce as well,
Speaker 4: and it's so many things that go into produce. I
Speaker 4: wrote some checklists because I live by checklists. The casting direction.
Speaker 4: A lot of people do indie projects and they cast
Speaker 4: for indie projects. I'm not concerned with being, you know,
Speaker 4: sewing that into other people that they become my competition.
Speaker 4: What's for me is for me. I understand that the
Speaker 4: people I'm going to touch, the actors, the projects, that's
Speaker 4: all for me. What's for me is for me. But
Speaker 4: I want these young independent filmmakers and that have they
Speaker 4: little sisters and cousins and friends doing casts, and I
Speaker 4: want them to follow some steps so that they have
Speaker 4: all the proper paperwork, knowing that you get forms from
Speaker 4: these people that you putting on camera, because if they
Speaker 4: change their mind or in two years they blow up
Speaker 4: and be like, well, I ain't getting you no release
Speaker 4: for that, so now you can't got illegal to and
Speaker 4: now your project is dead in the water, and you
Speaker 4: might have got some good traction. So it's just all
Speaker 4: of these books have different things to make you think
Speaker 4: about that thing that you say you want to really
Speaker 4: do so, and then it's the clothing line and the whole.
Speaker 3: Where can they find you because we're gonna pump you up?
Speaker 2: What is the website that? Where can they get all
Speaker 2: of this?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 3: Because I have mine, you guys, this is my minus
Speaker 3: the casting book.
Speaker 2: That's what I have.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I thought I gave you one of each.
Speaker 4: Oh that was the tour because you did direct and
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, all of these yet all of them?
Speaker 2: Kay?
Speaker 4: So everything is on www dot l m G originals
Speaker 4: with an s dot net. And if you are an actor,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter where you are in the world. And
Speaker 4: if you want to send me your information, go to
Speaker 4: r t SE Casting Company dot com and that we
Speaker 4: have a database and that's where everybody is in one space.
Speaker 4: So if I'm looking for something, I can go in there.
Speaker 4: I can filter it by city and state, I can
Speaker 4: filter it by you know, ethnicity. I could filter it
Speaker 4: by age. And it's a place for you to put
Speaker 4: your agent to the managers. If you don't have an
Speaker 4: agent and manager, it's a place for you to put that.
Speaker 4: And that's okay. Because when I did Good Times the animation,
Speaker 4: I created a database for that and actually two people
Speaker 4: were allowed to participate that would have never had an
Speaker 4: opportunity to audition for because we didn't do auditions right.
Speaker 4: And then one of the roles that we did it
Speaker 4: was so under the coff these people we wouldn't And
Speaker 4: I did that based on relationships that I made on clubhouse.
Speaker 4: So this is a relationship based industry. It is kindness
Speaker 4: and respect at all times, even if you're driving. That
Speaker 4: was a new to self. And if you're driving, people
Speaker 4: were kind of service because this is a relationship based industry.
Speaker 4: And who knew that the two people, you know, anybody
Speaker 4: that I had met off a club house would have
Speaker 4: gotten an opportunity to be in one of Netflix. Yeah,
Speaker 4: controversial you know, yes, at some point Animation and she
Speaker 4: was on my bucket list. So even in these journals,
Speaker 4: you can write who you want to work with, and
Speaker 4: Free Summer is one person that has been on the
Speaker 4: top of my list. It manifested. So yeah, I love
Speaker 4: these books, and you know I can't for me.
Speaker 3: I just want to say that these books are there's
Speaker 3: something about putting pen to paper. I know that we're
Speaker 3: in the digital age, I don't care, but pen to
Speaker 3: paper writing it authentically, you guys, you are literally writing
Speaker 3: down your manifestations and holding the vision of the in
Speaker 3: these books. So I because my first experience with something
Speaker 3: like this was the Artist Way.
Speaker 2: And that's my son was in it. He was a preemie.
Speaker 3: So I picked up that in ninety six and started
Speaker 3: doing it and it just the morning pages and journaling.
Speaker 3: I've always journaled, but it took my journaling to a
Speaker 3: different level in terms of the manifestation that was going on.
Speaker 4: At that time.
Speaker 3: So you guys, we I know Elsa wrote down everything,
Speaker 3: and so we're gonna pump that on the I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make sure that Calvin puts your information when you do
Speaker 3: your drop, put it there so that people can get
Speaker 3: it from my ig as well.
Speaker 2: I want to come to Atlanta and go to mid Tikit.
Speaker 4: I'm coming that way. I'm coming that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah you are, because I definitely have a meetings for you.
Speaker 2: I talked too, So.
Speaker 4: I'll fly up August fifteenth. I think I fly up
Speaker 4: on Thursday or Wednesday, and I come back Sunday or Saturday.
Speaker 2: I gotta laugh to see you August fifteenth. When you
Speaker 2: get here.
Speaker 3: August fifteenth, nineteen eighty three is when I landed in
Speaker 3: New York City from San Francisco with two hundred dollars
Speaker 3: in one way ticket in a Trump.
Speaker 4: Yeah we question. Let me tell you. I when we
Speaker 4: met and you just shared a little bit of your story,
Speaker 4: I was tiny. I'm like in the first two minutes,
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm keeping her forever. I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Yea, and even even this is I have to bring
Speaker 3: on your actors and Elsa.
Speaker 2: They're gonna ask you some questions. But I want to
Speaker 2: say this that when we were.
Speaker 3: By the car, I totally forgot why I was on
Speaker 3: the set, who I was on the set with.
Speaker 2: So when the toy was like, Tracy, we're gonna leave them,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, yes, that's why.
Speaker 3: In that moment, I was like, I'm gonna jump in
Speaker 3: her trunk and then we could.
Speaker 4: I'm taking home with me. I said. That was like,
Speaker 4: uh no, right.
Speaker 3: Come on, Elsa, come on, Deborah, Lisa, you guys, come on.
Speaker 2: Because for real, we'll never stop.
Speaker 3: This will be a podcast marathon of the Spirited actor.
Speaker 5: Honey, it's been great, all the knowledge, wonderful. Hi, Leslie.
Speaker 5: So today we have two of our spirited actors with
Speaker 5: us to ask you questions. Lisa White Spivey can come
Speaker 5: on camera, and Miss Deborah Spears you can come on camera,
Speaker 5: tells some Spiveys.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Delaware, they're from New York.
Speaker 7: How are you? First of all, hello, nice to finally
Speaker 7: see you and meet you. I am from West Philly
Speaker 7: and the Splavies are originally from south West Philly.
Speaker 4: Nice, So y'all are related and West Philly is southwest?
Speaker 2: I did such?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, okay, well that's from Maryland.
Speaker 2: Maybe y'all got some cousins.
Speaker 4: Up there right, I'm trying to figure out how to
Speaker 4: get some credit from Maryland. Actually I'm originally from DC,
Speaker 4: so oh yeah, yeah, it's transmissioned into Maryland in my
Speaker 4: adult life. Yeah, that's so nice to meet you. Excited
Speaker 4: to be here?
Speaker 2: Is here right? And Tracy, I didn't know how to
Speaker 2: do the hearts back. I'm gonna learn it so I
Speaker 2: could do that with Leslie. Okay, go ahead, you guys, Okay.
Speaker 5: What's your question?
Speaker 7: Well, you know where you dropped so many greats. Tracy
Speaker 7: asked every question and oh my gosh, thank you for
Speaker 7: being so transparent. I mean, it was just that it
Speaker 7: was good. You dropped a lot of good information, especially
Speaker 7: about what you look for and talent and being authentic
Speaker 7: and the study of the character. All that was so good.
Speaker 7: That's so important. And Tracy has been expressing that. I
Speaker 7: just wanted to ask, Zoom is just the future the president?
Speaker 7: It's here. How do you feel about zoom versus in
Speaker 7: person auditions? Like does it matter? That is important?
Speaker 4: You know, I love either or you know, it's a
Speaker 4: different connection. When they're in front of you. You can
Speaker 4: give direction, you can help them along, you can send
Speaker 4: them out and say, hey, I want you to do
Speaker 4: this again, but just give it this twist, or sometimes
Speaker 4: they can just do it on that drop off the dime,
Speaker 4: which is great. I love in person, but a lot
Speaker 4: of times, what I'll find is it's up to the
Speaker 4: producer will say, hey, we want to do in person,
Speaker 4: or if it's funded, if it's an indie project and
Speaker 4: it's funded by the director, they'll say, you know, I
Speaker 4: just want to get my hands on people. I want
Speaker 4: to be able to go back and forth, so they'll
Speaker 4: want to do in person. I haven't really done zooms
Speaker 4: as much as I use breakdown services actors access and
Speaker 4: those are similar to zooms. But but yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: I just I love being in the space of it
Speaker 4: all because the energy and you can tell when somebody's struggling.
Speaker 4: But for me, the struggle comes when you didn't connect
Speaker 4: to the character, because then you can trust yourself with
Speaker 4: what you got. And then before you walk in any audition,
Speaker 4: whether it's the zoom or in person or you're putting
Speaker 4: a self tape together, build your backstory so that you
Speaker 4: trust yourself and the fear of it. You just use
Speaker 4: that as your energy, like that's your motivation, that fear.
Speaker 4: Turn it into this is my project, I'm geady, show
Speaker 4: them that they need me and they leave it on
Speaker 4: the floor. Then then in your mind there's no doubt
Speaker 4: that you did your best.
Speaker 7: Just good, thank you, welcome, awesome.
Speaker 5: Thank you, and miss Deborah, what is your question?
Speaker 6: Uh? So my question has changed in my hat so
Speaker 6: many times because I'm listening and awkwuay she's already addressed
Speaker 6: that where you don't want to go again, so I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, but in the in the middle of me changing.
Speaker 6: My question, sobody her just actually obvious question, which is
Speaker 6: the nerves that I have right now and on every
Speaker 6: other thing that I do, and like, how do you
Speaker 6: deal with that? Because I'm nervously switching my questions around
Speaker 6: my brain. I'm nervously trying to, you know, get the character.
Speaker 6: But still it's the lines and make sure they like you,
Speaker 6: but don't do it right. Those those tell the wrong
Speaker 6: things the wrong person or hoose that person standing next
Speaker 6: to me?
Speaker 8: Or do I have the camera in the lights right?
Speaker 8: And what is the casting director really looking for?
Speaker 6: And just how do you deal with the nerves that
Speaker 6: just sort of take over and trust yourself?
Speaker 4: Sis? This is so you know what you're capable of.
Speaker 4: Right as I'm looking at you, I don't see that
Speaker 4: you're nervous. You just told me you were nervous, but
Speaker 4: it didn't resonate on camera. Right, And so sometimes that
Speaker 4: nervous energy can be used. And that's one of the
Speaker 4: things I love about actors, how y'all can use your hurt,
Speaker 4: your pains, your joys, your nervousness to build that character
Speaker 4: and make them believable.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So, if you're doing a character and it's an emotional
Speaker 4: scene and you can tap into that with we don't
Speaker 4: know what you're pulling from, right, we just see the
Speaker 4: end results. So right now, I'm hearing what you're saying
Speaker 4: about the nervousness and the questions that you had. But
Speaker 4: as I look at you, I see a woman who
Speaker 4: is posh, who is you know, walking in perfection? Like
Speaker 4: I see everything's lined up, So I don't see anything
Speaker 4: that would make me even believe that you don't trust yourself,
Speaker 4: And I feel like nervousness comes inn when we self doubt.
Speaker 4: Don't self doubt. Don't doubt yourself. It's enough people in
Speaker 4: the world that's going to do that for you when
Speaker 4: you are comfortable with something. For me, when I talk
Speaker 4: about this, I'm passionate. I can talk about it forever, right,
Speaker 4: But if you ask me to talk about myself, I
Speaker 4: love myself and I'm passionate to an extent because I'm private.
Speaker 4: I'm an introvert, right, so it makes me uncomfortable to
Speaker 4: tell people about me so an actor. On the other hand,
Speaker 4: when y'all are in acting, mold, y'all feel all that
Speaker 4: to the wind, and y'all become this persona And when
Speaker 4: you become that, that person's not nervous, that person you
Speaker 4: just read about in them sides? Is this the she's
Speaker 4: the mother of she's the police officer, and walk in
Speaker 4: those authorities that you're given. I hope that I want to.
Speaker 3: I want to add to that because Leslie knows this too.
Speaker 3: It's also cutting out the noise, because the noise noise
Speaker 3: becomes a distraction to the work. And I say this
Speaker 3: if and I just you know, say this for me,
Speaker 3: but I need to see a resume of thirty five
Speaker 3: years and plus of they and then we can have
Speaker 3: a conversation. If not, then I don't know what you're
Speaker 3: talking about. And I am not using your hypothesizing to
Speaker 3: validate the truth of what goes on in this business.
Speaker 3: And so I know Leslie eats it and lives it
Speaker 3: every day. I know I eat it and live it
Speaker 3: every day. And this is the other thing I have
Speaker 3: to say, Debrah, is that as you progress and go
Speaker 3: more and more to your dreams, and this is a
Speaker 3: part of the process.
Speaker 2: The joy is in the journey.
Speaker 3: You must there are people who aren't going with you.
Speaker 3: They can't go with you because people, if people don't
Speaker 3: dream like you dream, then they become distractions. Yes, because
Speaker 3: they you are a constant reminder that they are not
Speaker 3: pursuing their dreams, and.
Speaker 2: They're fearful you're gonna change, You're gonna leave them. You
Speaker 2: get all this.
Speaker 3: It's all about people allowing them themselves to dream big
Speaker 3: and know that you're worthy of them. Because to me,
Speaker 3: that's when even right leslie your your core of people
Speaker 3: gets smaller and smaller and smaller the more you rise
Speaker 3: and rise and runs.
Speaker 4: My circle is a lowercase. Oh. I told people that
Speaker 4: all the time. But you know what, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: you something. While while Tracy was talking, remember when we
Speaker 4: were kids and we were in like middle school and
Speaker 4: elementary school, and we used to write tattoos on our bodies.
Speaker 4: Something says, write the word careless on your finger, and
Speaker 4: every time you get nervous, look down fearless. Like everything
Speaker 4: in life is mental how much control. That's why people
Speaker 4: like you know back in the day, remember somebody be like, ooh, girl,
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you something, and you be like what,
Speaker 4: and they be like, but I'm gonna tell you later,
Speaker 4: And then the whole rest of the day you're thinking
Speaker 4: about that, right had I got to a place where
Speaker 4: I tell myself either you're gonna tell me or you're not.
Speaker 4: And I don't know that information, so it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: whether you never aten. So I'm not excited for you
Speaker 4: with your news until you tell it to me. I'm not.
Speaker 4: Don't allow people to jerk your emotional chain. And that's
Speaker 4: what happens when you become nervous. You are jerking your
Speaker 4: emotional chain and everything is all over the place. Real
Speaker 4: yourself back in. What do you tell yourself to get
Speaker 4: you in the space of calm right, Begin to have
Speaker 4: those affirmations or a space in your house or whatever
Speaker 4: helps you to get to a level of peace and
Speaker 4: be there before you do the next thing. Before you
Speaker 4: do the self tape, don't let the lights and the
Speaker 4: is it, don't let all that get to you, because
Speaker 4: once you watch it, then you'll see, Okay, this is
Speaker 4: what I need to do better and if you have
Speaker 4: to do it over for you, that reiterates your connection
Speaker 4: to the character. So each time it's not a lost time.
Speaker 4: So don't be in a rush, just take your time
Speaker 4: and just be in a moment each time.
Speaker 3: Thank you, but Deborah, Leslie's coming back, Lisa, She's coming back, Elsa.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the actors and Leslie. These
Speaker 3: are your testings for class and sessions, So everybody sit
Speaker 3: tight when we come back on the Spirit Podcast with
Speaker 3: me Tracy Moore and the amazing Leslie M Green CSA,
Speaker 3: We're going to do class and session.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Spirited Actor.
Speaker 3: Podcast with me Tracy Moore, and you are so blessed
Speaker 3: and I am beyond grateful to still have casting director
Speaker 3: extraordinaire multi hyphenated Ah the love of my life. Right now,
Speaker 3: Leslie M Green, CSA, We're going to do class and session.
Speaker 3: Elsa's coming on, Elsa Laythan, Co executive producer of the podcast.
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, welcome Leslie. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 5: So today's class in session. We have that two of
Speaker 5: our spirited actors. We have miss Lisa White Spidey. Welcome back, Lisa,
Speaker 5: thank you, thank you. Hello, Hello, and we have that,
Speaker 5: Miss Deborah Spears. Welcome back, Deborah, thank you so much. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 5: And today's scene is just breathe written by Tracy Moore,
Speaker 5: What interior coffee shop to day? The coffee shop is
Speaker 5: quaint and cozy, filled with the soft moment of conversations.
Speaker 5: Monica and Tanya sit at a corner table, sipping there
Speaker 5: lot tastes.
Speaker 7: It's so real, really, fourteen years, just like that, it's over.
Speaker 8: I'm so sorry, Monica. I can't imagine what you're going through.
Speaker 7: You know, it's not even the end of it. That's
Speaker 7: so deep. That's it's all the pretending that we did,
Speaker 7: you know, being fake, pretending to be happy, pretending to
Speaker 7: be perfect.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I suppose it's hard keeping up appearances.
Speaker 7: Speaking of appearances, how we're things with you and David.
Speaker 8: Oh, we're we're great. Work is crazy, busy, but we manage.
Speaker 7: Yeah, do you?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: Of course? Monica leans in lo.
Speaker 7: Tanya, Yes, this is me. I know you. I'm your bestie.
Speaker 7: I know the cracks and I can see them.
Speaker 8: Ah what cracks? The no cracks. We're fine.
Speaker 7: Really talk to me, this is me. You can be
Speaker 7: honest with me.
Speaker 5: Tanya's facade begins to crumble. She looks away, her eyes listening.
Speaker 8: Things are not that's the way they look.
Speaker 4: David than I. We're not okay.
Speaker 5: Monica reaches across the table, taking Tanya's hand.
Speaker 7: Give me your hand, tell me, talk to me.
Speaker 5: It's sort.
Speaker 4: We're two strength, just living in the second house. We
Speaker 4: haven't been happy for years. I just.
Speaker 8: I never wanted to admit it, not to myself, not
Speaker 8: to anyone.
Speaker 7: Listen, you know I know that, oh too well. You
Speaker 7: don't have to be unhappy. You deserve to be happy.
Speaker 4: It's so complicated.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 8: Our family, our friends, our careers are hit me.
Speaker 7: To listen, listen. None of that matters when you're miserable.
Speaker 4: None of that matters.
Speaker 7: Now, trust me. You know I've been through this. No
Speaker 7: more lies, No more lies.
Speaker 5: Time. Tanya wife's her eyes, taking a deep breath. Maybe
Speaker 5: you're right, Maybe.
Speaker 4: It's time we stop tending.
Speaker 7: I know him right, and you know what. You're strong,
Speaker 7: and I want you to know something else, No matter what.
Speaker 7: I'm here for you.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: Kanya squeezes mind his hand, a small waateful smile for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't need to hear that.
Speaker 5: The two women sit in silence for a moment, their
Speaker 5: bond stronger than ever. See.
Speaker 3: Okay, ladies, all right, I'm gonna throw it to you
Speaker 3: as a lady and have you give your notes.
Speaker 4: I loved I loved it. I love you know, being
Speaker 4: able to connect right with characters. So Deborah, let me
Speaker 4: ask you this. When did you have you had an
Speaker 4: opportunity to read this prior to right? Yes? So were
Speaker 4: you able to connect because you made a choice and
Speaker 4: how you delivered it right? So what was your choice?
Speaker 4: What made you connect? To begin to go sullen even more?
Speaker 4: You know, as you continued, I thought you were about
Speaker 4: to cry at some point, but I'm glad you held on. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so we decided.
Speaker 6: So we were friends. We were friends for since college
Speaker 6: and good friends. And our husbands are former football players,
Speaker 6: but they were not high school college but they're not professionals,
Speaker 6: so they're not as their finances are not as good
Speaker 6: as ours were more successful than her husbands.
Speaker 4: And she divorced hers.
Speaker 6: And I still kept mine, but you know, I was
Speaker 6: I was holding on to that image for a really
Speaker 6: long time, and she knew that because we were such
Speaker 6: close friends. But after her divorce, and I just kind
Speaker 6: of broke, and we decided that there was going to
Speaker 6: be a period where I just kind of surrendered to
Speaker 6: Although it's hard to me to do a fake criede Invesse,
Speaker 6: I can't surrender to, you know, giving in, the giving
Speaker 6: up the appearances that we both started out holding on too.
Speaker 6: She let hers go earlier than I did, and that's
Speaker 6: that's how we made that choice.
Speaker 4: We talked about it last night. Did you guys decide
Speaker 4: who was going to be who or Tracy? Did you
Speaker 4: decide who was plagued?
Speaker 2: Which was I decided? I think Lisa. She was so.
Speaker 4: Like that was her, Like I can see you be
Speaker 4: in that friend and be like, come on now, like
Speaker 4: I can see through all the stuff, take this is me. Like,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. You were very personable in
Speaker 4: that you sounded like you look like and when you
Speaker 4: leaned in, it was the I'm really here for you,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like some and so when
Speaker 4: you are watching somebody else auditioned, in my head, I'm
Speaker 4: always saying, is it believable? Can somebody fall in love
Speaker 4: with this person? Or would they hate this person? What
Speaker 4: emotions are you invoking? So with Lisa, you were like
Speaker 4: so gentle with her, but you kept at a hundred,
Speaker 4: like yeah, girl, come on, wait wait wait, this is
Speaker 4: me you talking to We know each other, we go back,
Speaker 4: so I already see it and it's okay to break
Speaker 4: these walls down with me. I got you, and so
Speaker 4: I loved how the two of you played back and
Speaker 4: forth on each other with that. But yeah, I saw
Speaker 4: that a lot, and that's why I was wondering, did
Speaker 4: y'all pick who was going to do well? Or did
Speaker 4: Tracy pick.
Speaker 3: Quite opposite of both of them wanted to challenge. And
Speaker 3: I'm just giving it all to Leslie because you know,
Speaker 3: I hate to end with Leslie. But again we are
Speaker 3: going to have a part too, because you think you
Speaker 3: guys are walking away with like treasure chest. Now please
Speaker 3: come with those big target storage containers when you come
Speaker 3: back to part two, because that's what she's feeling. Up,
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, I and Lisa and Debora, thank you
Speaker 3: so much, Please please everyone, Sincerely, genuinely, lovingly, the miss
Speaker 3: Ooh casting director, multi hyphened hyphenated genius Leslie M Green CSA.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get her a chain and a tattoo CSA
Speaker 3: has she earned that, Ladies and gentlemen. She earned it
Speaker 3: all right, Yes, Lisa, it agreed CSA and ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: When we come back on the Spirit to podcast with
Speaker 3: me Tracy Moore, that's all about love.
Speaker 2: That's all we've given. Love forget I'm the worst. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Kudo's Corner. Kudo's Corner is where we celebrate
Speaker 3: and support all of our spirited actors and we share
Speaker 3: them with you. This week's Kudo's Corner put the spotlight
Speaker 3: on spirited actor Deja Anderson Ross. Originally from Chicago, Desia
Speaker 3: got her start with Roles and Spike Lee's Shyrek and
Speaker 3: the episodic Chicago Fire, leading to a co starring role.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three season finale of The Equalizer.
Speaker 3: Most recently, Deja starred in the Philadelphia production of Susan
Speaker 3: Lori Park's award winning play father Come Home from the
Speaker 3: Wars Part one, two and three. Desa is also working
Speaker 3: on From the Shoulders I Stand, a pointed documentary about
Speaker 3: her grandparents' migrant journey from the South to being business
Speaker 3: owners in Chicago. Kudos Todasia Anderson Ross and Now It's
Speaker 3: time to give Love so I grew up with a
Speaker 3: group of women. We all went to Saint Dominic's together.
Speaker 3: We've known each other since we were six years old.
Speaker 3: And what I find interesting is that when you're younger
Speaker 3: and you talk about things or you're formulating your life
Speaker 3: at a very young age, that all of us grew
Speaker 3: up to be exactly what we said we wanted to be.
Speaker 3: In some aspect, people change and shift in life to grow,
Speaker 3: and sometimes everyone doesn't make that shift at the same time,
Speaker 3: or some people like where they are.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 3: When I talk and I'm around this energy, it's a
Speaker 3: great reminder because not a lot of people have friends
Speaker 3: of like fifty something years, So I'm grateful for that,
Speaker 3: but I'm empowered, and I'm empowered because I feel like
Speaker 3: I have the comfort of knowing them and the trust
Speaker 3: and the friendship and sisterhood.
Speaker 2: But inclusive of that, when you are surrounding yourself around
Speaker 2: people who are for you, it's important that you understand
Speaker 2: and appreciate.
Speaker 3: Love that that is a gift, because not everybody on
Speaker 3: your journey will pour into you like the people that
Speaker 3: really know you, really love you, and really want you
Speaker 3: to continue to win, succeed, live your best life.
Speaker 2: Those are the people you want to be around.
Speaker 4: Hi.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on The Spirited Actor Podcast
Speaker 1: with me Tracy Moore. I look forward to our next
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