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Speaker 5: Kobe number one, he had the Master kill him in
Speaker 5: Double Me.
Speaker 6: This guy was relentless, relentless.
Speaker 7: Having somebody like that early on in my career, I mean,
Speaker 7: change everything for.
Speaker 8: Me, and I'm probably gonna get in trouble telling you this.
Speaker 8: We actually hired Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 3: At Turner.
Speaker 9: At Turner, don't waste my time, you know, Kobe and
Speaker 9: I used to talk about that, which is so funny
Speaker 9: because I always think about our conversations about just being
Speaker 9: ready and how you show up.
Speaker 10: My all time favorite Kobe moment was when I got
Speaker 10: to stop on cod he slapped me on the leg.
Speaker 10: I'm like, yeah, today, ain't have nothing to do with you,
Speaker 10: young fella. I just missed you had the opportunity to
Speaker 10: play with and in a major way, d Wade, Kobe,
Speaker 10: and Penny.
Speaker 3: You played with Brian.
Speaker 10: To me, that was kind of the tell end of
Speaker 10: your career, like it wasn't your as shocked dominant as
Speaker 10: you were.
Speaker 3: With those guys.
Speaker 10: When you look at those three guys, though, rate them.
Speaker 5: It's tough to rate him because we speak a language.
Speaker 5: Right if I say in our language, but it gets
Speaker 5: out not saying that your show would do that. But
Speaker 5: even if you put out a clip, the ones that
Speaker 5: don't comprehend our language are trying to make it look
Speaker 5: like I'm rating them. But I'm a rate them because
Speaker 5: you're a good friend of mine, and he asked me
Speaker 5: to do it. Kobe number one, he had the Master
Speaker 5: kill him in debity, and I like to say I
Speaker 5: help him get that because when he first came in,
Speaker 5: I put the Dolevant tests on. I fuck, you ain't shit,
Speaker 5: don't shoot fuck that, and it would drive him crazy.
Speaker 5: You know you talk about the six five, six hours
Speaker 5: a day in the gym. Yeah, he did that just
Speaker 5: so he could shut me the fuck up. And I
Speaker 5: loved it because I already knew what I was gonna do.
Speaker 5: I already knew I was gonna give you twenty eight
Speaker 5: ten in the playoffs, thirty five whatever, but I needed
Speaker 5: another guy, and I always used to piss him off
Speaker 5: or you know, you know this very well. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't know how your team was, but you know
Speaker 5: for a fact, you don't have to be like this
Speaker 5: to win the championship. You do not on the court
Speaker 5: you have to be like this, but attitudes and you
Speaker 5: don't have to be like that. So you know, we
Speaker 5: used to always go at it, and it was I
Speaker 5: don't want to say my fault, but I knew what
Speaker 5: the fuck I was doing because when he came in,
Speaker 5: he showed me that he wanted to be a dog.
Speaker 5: He was that puppy that was nibbling on a chair
Speaker 5: and I was like, Okay, watch this motherfucker. You ain't
Speaker 5: nah fuck don't shoot shoot it again. Motherfucker wants so
Speaker 5: like I just hused to piss him off. And then
Speaker 5: by the time he got into itself and I kind
Speaker 5: of had to make a decision like you know, feels
Speaker 5: like listen, let him do what he's doing the fourth quarter.
Speaker 5: And once I made that decisions like you know, and
Speaker 5: then we was because like first three quarter, give me
Speaker 5: the fucking ball, let me do what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 5: let me get us in the penalty. And then because
Speaker 5: I'm not a great free throw shooter, fourth quarter, I'll
Speaker 5: step back and you do what you do. And we
Speaker 5: did that, and you know, he sacrificed. He did because
Speaker 5: he all those finals where he helped me win the championship.
Speaker 5: He damn sure could have easily got found MVP. But
Speaker 5: that was our plan, big dog E for the first
Speaker 5: three and the fourth I takeover. And my favorite game
Speaker 5: in Indiana was on our first championship where I filed
Speaker 5: out and I looked at him. I was like this,
Speaker 5: if we lose, it's all my fucking fuck. Shack you motherfucker.
Speaker 5: You want to be a rapper, You're doing movies and
Speaker 5: you ain't concentrating on your free throws. I don't know
Speaker 5: what my percentage was, but it wasn't black Steph Curry Like,
Speaker 5: so I already know if we fucking lose this series,
Speaker 5: gonna be my fuck. I'm looking at Covie, motherfucker. Do
Speaker 5: me like that? I'm like that, motherfucker. He had an
Speaker 5: incredible four or five like and then I knew then
Speaker 5: we just gonna went out went our first championship. So
Speaker 5: him for that, you were called a Kobe stopper.
Speaker 10: Uh, And you've talked about being stuck on Kobe Island before.
Speaker 6: Don't start that, man, I don't need that on my
Speaker 6: Instagram feed. Man, don't start that talk.
Speaker 3: But what what what? What do you think?
Speaker 10: What do you think differentiated Kobe from everyone else? Like,
Speaker 10: there were obviously other tough covers. Paul Pierce was a
Speaker 10: tough cover. Uh, you played before you played with d Waye.
Speaker 10: D way was a tough cover before you played with
Speaker 10: Bron Brown was a tough What made Kobe so much
Speaker 10: tougher to cover than all those other guys?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: And I did not like Kobe. We were frenemies and
Speaker 6: we had this weird, passive, aggressive like relationship. I never
Speaker 6: spoke to him outside of the gym. But there was
Speaker 6: no one I respect him more for his for his mind. Look,
Speaker 6: this guy was relentless, relentless, you know, and I you know,
Speaker 6: people ask me like, what do you miss about playing?
Speaker 6: And I said, you know, getting in the bus and
Speaker 6: having those butterflies in my stomach, going to Staples Center,
Speaker 6: being like, man, this guy, this guy's gonna try to
Speaker 6: score sixty on me tonight. He's gonna try it's gonna
Speaker 6: try to embarrass me. He's gonna try to embarrass me tonight,
Speaker 6: you know. And so like I always had to be
Speaker 6: my best always, And if he scored twenty, he wanted thirty.
Speaker 6: If he scored thirty, he wanted forty. Score forty, you
Speaker 6: want to fifty, fifty want to sixty. I mean, like,
Speaker 6: he was relentless. And so there was one never a
Speaker 6: player that I ever took a play off, you know,
Speaker 6: And I got like I wasn't fast, Like, you know,
Speaker 6: I knew how to play everybody, and I knew when
Speaker 6: I could sort of like slough off and take shortcuts,
Speaker 6: you couldn't do that against Kobe because he was so relentless.
Speaker 6: And so we had this really weird game that we
Speaker 6: played like some days, you'd come out and be all, buddy, buddy.
Speaker 3: Hey, Shane, how you doing, Man, what's going on?
Speaker 6: The Next day he would wouldn't even look at me
Speaker 6: right And the next time he'd be like, oh, man,
Speaker 6: what's going on? And so like, he was always like
Speaker 6: ice and fire with me, just trying to throw me off.
Speaker 6: And I had the same mentality. I never looked him
Speaker 6: in the eye, you know, I just was I never
Speaker 6: said I can't guard Kobe. He's so much better than me.
Speaker 6: And so in Mama Mentality he wrote about this, and
Speaker 6: I didn't read about this. Left is passing, and his
Speaker 6: passing really affected me, so I always thought I have
Speaker 6: this time to have this conversation with him. So when
Speaker 6: he passed, it really really affected me. And I read
Speaker 6: his page in Mama Mentality where he said, you know,
Speaker 6: talking about guys were Kobe stoppers, and he said, you
Speaker 6: know Shane, you know, Shane never talked trash to me
Speaker 6: because he knew that it fire me up. And he
Speaker 6: never admitted that like he could guard me. He's like,
Speaker 6: but I saw that his false humility, and I attacked
Speaker 6: him because of it. But I still respected Shane. I'm like,
Speaker 6: he's right he's one hundred percent right. So, like he
Speaker 6: knew me without really even knowing me, and that's what's
Speaker 6: special about our relationship. And uh, you know, we never
Speaker 6: spoke outside the basketball court. I didn't know me, he
Speaker 6: didn't know me, but like we knew each other. We
Speaker 6: had this weird like dynamic on the court. And so
Speaker 6: for me, he was the pinnacle of competition, the pinnacle
Speaker 6: of of of of excellence and he always brought the
Speaker 6: best out of me. And that's why I love.
Speaker 10: Him absolutely, which which brings me to my next question.
Speaker 10: I'd be remiss about an access because it's something that
Speaker 10: really gets under my skin.
Speaker 3: And you just mentioned it everyone nowadays.
Speaker 10: People have a good game and they're like, yeah, I
Speaker 10: channeled the Momba mentality, and I'm just like, don't stop it, Like,
Speaker 10: don't do that, Like that's that's not okay. And by
Speaker 10: the way, if Kobe was still alive, I don't think
Speaker 10: y'all would be saying that, because Kobe will call you
Speaker 10: out and tell you that's actually not it.
Speaker 3: But like, what do you make of all of these people.
Speaker 10: Going on on TV like, yeah, I got the Mamma mentality,
Speaker 10: I'm doing this, Like what do you make of that.
Speaker 6: Well, look, you know, Kobe inspired a generation. So all
Speaker 6: these young guys came up, they grew up on watching Kobe,
Speaker 6: you know, him hitting those jumpers and making big shots,
Speaker 6: and so to them, like that's their dream. Like you know,
Speaker 6: you and I watched you know, the Pistons and Isaiah
Speaker 6: and Joe d and and you know all these guys
Speaker 6: and bad boys. That's that's what inspired us. All these
Speaker 6: guys are inspired by Kobe.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 6: You know, in this Instagram world, you know, you think
Speaker 6: you know somebody just by watching them and all, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be that guy. But like there's only one code,
Speaker 6: you know, and there's only only one person that puts
Speaker 6: in the work and understands the sacrifice, understands the discipline, understands,
Speaker 6: you know, every single night what it takes right. And
Speaker 6: to me, that's what mama mentality is. It's is a
Speaker 6: relentless pursuit of excellence. And it's not about like, you know,
Speaker 6: having the game. It's about like this is this is
Speaker 6: who I am every single time I step out on
Speaker 6: the court. And it's the hardest thing, his hardest thing
Speaker 6: in life, hurtst thing in basketball to be that dude,
Speaker 6: every single time you lace them up right, And so
Speaker 6: you know, it's I think it's cute that these guys
Speaker 6: are paying homage to Kobe.
Speaker 5: But man, do it.
Speaker 6: Do it for as long as he did it at
Speaker 6: that level, for as long as he did it, and
Speaker 6: then maybe we can talk.
Speaker 10: See you said that better than I could ever said it,
Speaker 10: because you know what I said, I hate that ship.
Speaker 10: I hate when people say that, but you said, you
Speaker 10: put that better than I've ever heard it put. It's
Speaker 10: about that pursuit of excellence every single night because people
Speaker 10: don't understand that, like when you gotta do it night
Speaker 10: in the night out.
Speaker 3: These young guys come in.
Speaker 10: The league and they like, I want his spot, I
Speaker 10: want that thing, I want this money, that contract, And
Speaker 10: when you have to do that every single night on
Speaker 10: a soft Monday, and you know who got the worst record,
Speaker 10: Detroit got the worst record in the league. Right now,
Speaker 10: on a soft Monday, soft Tuesday, you rolling into Detroit,
Speaker 10: it's two below outside and you got to go do that.
Speaker 3: You know, like, yep, then where's that mama mentality?
Speaker 10: Then?
Speaker 3: So I definitely can appreciate that.
Speaker 10: He worked and that irrational confidence just became a part
Speaker 10: like you just became a part of who he is.
Speaker 3: But that's the irrational confidence.
Speaker 10: King, How did that relationship help you, especially early on
Speaker 10: in dealing with like y'all was canning, y'all ask it.
Speaker 10: Fans do not handle that well? How did that relationship
Speaker 10: help you continue to do what you were doing and
Speaker 10: deal with the shit that people are starting to say?
Speaker 7: You know, the biggest thing he always ever said was
Speaker 7: keep the main thing, the main thing, right, that was
Speaker 7: one thing and two just like that was like my
Speaker 7: north star.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: You may never get there whatever, but it's what you
Speaker 7: get out of it is what you're trying to reach, right,
Speaker 7: So the awesome professional take care of your body, playing
Speaker 7: every single game, having this type of mentality like you know,
Speaker 7: like I'm here for a reason, this is my purpose.
Speaker 7: Like my purpose just tonight is to kill. My purpose
Speaker 7: tonight is go out and help my team win. Like
Speaker 7: having somebody like that early on in my career, I mean,
Speaker 7: change everything for me. You know, I could say the
Speaker 7: same thing about you know, bron coming year two and
Speaker 7: seeing it from a player perspective, because you know, Cob
Speaker 7: was here, he was gone retired at this point, so
Speaker 7: it was just like you know, word of mouth, but
Speaker 7: like Ron, I'm really seeing it too. So you know,
Speaker 7: just having that relationship with Cobe, it was man, it
Speaker 7: was everything. Like I still have the text messages like
Speaker 7: we just had never delete them, you know, just like
Speaker 7: just things to go back on, things to think of,
Speaker 7: Like like he was just so he was just so
Speaker 7: smart man, and about just everything putting you on game,
Speaker 7: just of things you wudn't even think of, like the
Speaker 7: attention to detail that he had basketball, he had, in life,
Speaker 7: he had in business, he had in relationships, and like
Speaker 7: that's what I want for my life.
Speaker 1: And so jeremy land locker was next to mine, so
Speaker 1: I got to witness the whole entire thing from.
Speaker 3: The first gaming ball to the next game he ball.
Speaker 1: Like it was like we got his locker here. We
Speaker 1: had an empty locker here and it's my locker to
Speaker 1: where like I was getting dressed, brother, and like the
Speaker 1: damn near in the bathroom in the handicaps time I
Speaker 1: had to hang my shit up. Brother, it was like
Speaker 1: a thousand people in the locker room. I mean, you
Speaker 1: was hooping, right, so you want I don't know how
Speaker 1: y'all was looking at it, but he was on CNN, MSNBC,
Speaker 1: uh MTV B, the Weather Channel, d H one. They
Speaker 1: was all in there because I kept having to move
Speaker 1: my seat out. I'm like, damn, what's the Weather Channel.
Speaker 1: It's like Jeremy Lynn, make it rain. Chinese brought so
Speaker 1: many China media it was crazy.
Speaker 3: They had to move him to a press conference that.
Speaker 1: Granted, this is like maybe like three weeks before all
Speaker 1: start weekend, he is doing press conferences and a full
Speaker 1: room of people. Uh, Kobe came in town. Than Kobe,
Speaker 1: don't let this du but your ass you hot?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: He hot? Don't don't let him get you.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: You know Cob like, come on.
Speaker 5: B there, not worried about none of that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, yo, he is going to kill you
Speaker 3: guys tomorrow. And I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: This now, Bro, just someone I come in here after
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 3: Right, You're not mad at me?
Speaker 1: So me and him at dinner and man, and this
Speaker 1: is all I'm talking about. No matter what Kobe is
Speaker 1: talking about, all I keep coming back to, like, hey, Doc,
Speaker 1: he's going to bust out last tomorrow and I'm going
Speaker 1: to show up in your locker room and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be laughing, Brodie, Lakers come in town. Hey dude, he
Speaker 1: served the Lakers, And after the game, I went right
Speaker 1: down here.
Speaker 3: He was tight. Hey dude, Kobe was so tight. He
Speaker 3: was so tight.
Speaker 1: He was hot because he didn't you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he didn't you didn't know what to like. This kid
Speaker 1: had magic. It was just like it was just some
Speaker 1: shit that you only see the greats have, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you see people have these moments
Speaker 1: on ten day contracts or like filling in for somebody,
Speaker 1: Like you see somebody have a great one or two weeks.
Speaker 1: But like the attention and the level he was playing
Speaker 1: at was like.
Speaker 3: Ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And then we played Miami and Lebron and was like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're done with all this shit. It's over
Speaker 1: the end of it.
Speaker 8: Even though the work ain't hard and it's fun, you
Speaker 8: still have something to do all the time. I tell you,
Speaker 8: you still have stuff to do all the time. And
Speaker 8: that's what Like if I could just show up at
Speaker 8: the studio and just do basketball, like no, I have
Speaker 8: to do X amount of interviews to day at the
Speaker 8: you know, like you know, you have to go and
Speaker 8: pump up the show. That's really what's really fun I
Speaker 8: tell you this, it's funny story, not not manting. People
Speaker 8: know this, and I'm probably gonna get in trouble. I'm
Speaker 8: telling you this. We actually hired Kobe Bryant at Turner
Speaker 8: at Turner, but he didn't want to do all the
Speaker 8: other bullshit it and I'm probably gonna get in trouble
Speaker 8: for saying this, but it's one of the like little
Speaker 8: things that been that we kept keeping all so he
Speaker 8: actually signed with us. But then when we start at
Speaker 8: telling like, you know, I have to do a bunch
Speaker 8: of radio shows, like hey, I go on this show
Speaker 8: on Monday, said hey from Thursday night, T and T,
Speaker 8: same thing on Tuesday, same thing on Wednesday, thing on Thursday.
Speaker 8: He's like, yeah, I don't want to do all that stuff.
Speaker 8: He says, well, you have to promote the show, Kobe.
Speaker 8: So Kobe actually is so funny, and like I say,
Speaker 8: it's probably all that ten people in the world know
Speaker 8: that that he actually signed with us. He's like, no,
Speaker 8: I'm not doing all that other bulls and he just
Speaker 8: like nah, But it was funny because, like I say,
Speaker 8: we always have something to do.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So so wait, hold on, so Kobe signed and
Speaker 10: he was going to be on on like just one
Speaker 10: of the guys on the Thursday Night crew.
Speaker 8: Yeah, wow, Yeah he had he had he had signed
Speaker 8: with US. David Leave, my old boss, had signed into
Speaker 8: a deal, and we were excited.
Speaker 3: We were really excited.
Speaker 8: And then he called me back like a week or
Speaker 8: ten days later, somewhere in that time frame like, yeah,
Speaker 8: Kobe's not gonna come. We're like why because he don't
Speaker 8: want to do all the pr stuff. He don't want
Speaker 8: to go on radio shows and talk about basketball. I'm like, well,
Speaker 8: that's part of the gig. I mean, people need to know, hey,
Speaker 8: I'm on Thursday Night because if you notice, when you
Speaker 8: do interviews, they're like, hey, welcome from t n T
Speaker 8: Thursday Night. Charge Barkley, same thing.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 8: He talked to Kenny and Check. They always because that's
Speaker 8: that's part of the promoting the show. So it was
Speaker 8: funny though he didn't want to do all that and
Speaker 8: he never never came work for us.
Speaker 9: I have a really hard time trying to motivate people
Speaker 9: to do something that you should be passionate about, you
Speaker 9: should love, you should be seeing that it is an
Speaker 9: honor to be able to play this sport because you
Speaker 9: could get hurt at any time and not be able
Speaker 9: to play.
Speaker 11: So to me, it's like respect the game.
Speaker 9: And I have a hard time with like babysitting people
Speaker 9: and just trying to I don't know, I'm just I'm
Speaker 9: not built like that, So that's the difficult part for me,
Speaker 9: you know. I think it's one thing where you talk
Speaker 9: about like high school kids, everybody you know, some people
Speaker 9: sign up. You got to pick the best people you
Speaker 9: have at the school. Every kid's not that like that's
Speaker 9: not their dream, but they may be athletic enough to
Speaker 9: make a team. Okay, but you're talking about top tier.
Speaker 9: You're talking about a professional.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 11: I don't have time for all the excuses. I don't
Speaker 11: have time for all of Like I was out last night,
Speaker 11: like don't waste my time.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 11: Zobe and I used to talk about that, which is.
Speaker 9: So funny because I always think about our conversations about
Speaker 9: just being ready and how you show up, you know,
Speaker 9: and the fact that you have to tell your teammates
Speaker 9: like we got a big we got a game tomorrow,
Speaker 9: so you might not want to go out tonight. Like
Speaker 9: I shouldn't have to explain those things to you because
Speaker 9: my hard work is a part of what we're trying
Speaker 9: to build here, and I need everybody. We need everybody
Speaker 9: to win, you know, that's the that's the hard part.
Speaker 9: So coaching for me, I'm like, I cannot motivate you
Speaker 9: to want to win, Like that's all that I know.
Speaker 11: I'm so bad, Like it's space I'm just way with everything.
Speaker 9: Though, space bag and whatever we're playing bro Domino's Like,
Speaker 9: you don't want to see me in nothing tongue whatever
Speaker 9: it is, Like, I am playing to win. Don't sit
Speaker 9: down at the table with me if you try to,
Speaker 9: like what are we doing? I don't like people who
Speaker 9: just want to play for fun.
Speaker 10: We'll love to know what your favorite era of Kobe was?
Speaker 10: Was your favorite era eight? Or what's your favorite era
Speaker 10: twenty four? I think that's such a tough decision, but
Speaker 10: I think I gotta go eight because eight is just
Speaker 10: such a huge part of my childhood, Like eight is
Speaker 10: who I grew up watching with the fro.
Speaker 3: And as you get older, you mature more, and I
Speaker 3: think eight just.
Speaker 10: Didn't give a damn about anything, Like eight didn't care
Speaker 10: what you thought.
Speaker 3: Not that the twenty four by the way, but eight
Speaker 3: man eight. A part of eight.
Speaker 10: Never had kids, like I know what that does, see
Speaker 10: you like, A part of eight was just Kobe growing
Speaker 10: into cold man.
Speaker 3: And so I think for me eight was probably my favorite.
Speaker 10: I saw so when I was a huge fan of
Speaker 10: My favorite player of all time is Shaq. I've said
Speaker 10: that before, the y'all said a million times, that's my
Speaker 10: favorite player of all time. And I watched Cod grow
Speaker 10: up with Shaq win championships as eight, and so for me,
Speaker 10: my favorite era is eight. I think my all time
Speaker 10: favorite Kobe moment is not one in basketball per se,
Speaker 10: like one moment, like all eighty one points, like all
Speaker 10: those is great, and if you're a Kobe fan you
Speaker 10: love those things. But for me personally, my all time
Speaker 10: favorite Kobe moment was when I got to stop on code.
Speaker 10: He slapped me on the leg. I'm like, yeah, today,
Speaker 10: ain't had nothing to do with you, young fella. I
Speaker 10: just missed game winning shot. Mark Jackson put me in
Speaker 10: a few seconds left in the game.
Speaker 3: Like, yo, you got Kobe? WHOA Okay?
Speaker 10: I think I played twenty seven seconds that game. I
Speaker 10: had to get a stop to go and send a
Speaker 10: game in overtime and didn't get a stop to win
Speaker 10: the game in overtime, and I think that's the only
Speaker 10: time I played.
Speaker 3: In that game. But I was hype winning.
Speaker 10: Kobe in front of our bench, shoot the left shoulder,
Speaker 10: turn around, fade patting, and fade away.
Speaker 5: Miss.
Speaker 3: Let's go. I ain't had nothing to do with you,
Speaker 3: young fella. I just missed. Kept walking.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no limit, limit
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